AMD Athlon 64 FX-57 - $1031 CPU from 2005
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i actually wait friday during to this quarantine only to see what's on your next video! it's very entertaining!
I used to have so much gear from this era but nearly all of it has died. Some of it just eventually refused to post/or get any output, other parts just behave as if they aren't plugged into anything. So frustrating, I've lost my prized fx-60, motherboards from nf4 to 790i and 955x to 975x, ddr1/2, and a few GPUs. Quite a bit of gear from the RoHS transition, it would seem? I remember Nvidia based boards were extremely picky about ram and bios versions, I lost countless hours trying to get a striker extreme to get into windows and a weekend trying to get an a8n-sli premium to work. However,
this is an excellent trip down memory lane. Cheers!
Have you ever used the abit kn8 Ultimate?
I have so much gear from this era and all is working. You are very unlucky and I am very lucky I guess. In medium we are fine. :)
Phil... Love the way you explain every build... It is very easy to understand and follow the guide... Keep up the good job... I always watch your video till the end... Like your work.... Nice 1... You inspire many people...
Great video as always :) Would love to see some more thin client videos for retro gaming. Thanks to your channel I grabbed myself a couple of HP t610s real cheap a while ago to have a retro LAN party with my friends once in a while. Cheers!
nForce ... better keep 10+ boards near your hands and one will work :-) also lot of manual chipset settings
Another great video Phil! If I could I would give you 2 likes!
A few words about the problems you encountered:
1. Use driver version 197.77 or earlier with Nvidia video cards in order to maintain compatibility with games of that era including Farcry. Any later version will not increase performance anyway and if you play games from 2007 or later you will need a more powerful video card too.
2. I also encountered error 0X0000007b and this usually refers to the storage controller. When installing Nvidia chipset drivers you need to install in a specific order one at a time: first the chipset, SMBus driver, SATA driver but NOT the SATA raid software that will put a small icon in the system tray, network driver but NOT the Nvidia firewall and restart each time. Bulk installation of drivers of mtoherboards with NVidia chipsets is not recommended.
3. Maybe you can get hold of a Radeon X1950XTX video card. That thing is easily the most powerful directx 9.0c GPU ever. 7900GTO is from 2006 and is actually a 7900GTX in disguise - only the memory is underclocked to 1320 MHz and as such I think it should be compared to a Radeon X1900XT/XTX. Maybe 7800GTX should be a match for the X1800XT.
Good tips! Yes I didn't have a X1900 series card I'm afraid...
I had the AGP X1950XTX on my 939 rig. I should have just upgraded the board to PCI Express due to the terrible nforce support. lol
I had a soc939 Gigabyte motherboard with the Nvidia chipset, and I remember installing the chipset drivers were a nightmare, it caused all kinds of blue screens and freezes. I gave up and just didn't install chipset drivers for that mobo.
Yeah, I've been on the hunt for a 1950XTX for a while now, but it's managed to elude me every time, although I was very close at least once. Apart from being notably faster than a 1800xt and even 1900xt, it's also much quieter (those two are more akin to a vacuum cleaner).
@@Tc4ify I've managed to buy an X1950XTX Crossfire Edition for around 30 euro. I believe it was Mac edition, but run perfectly fine in Windows XP PC. Lady that sold it didn't even recognized the card and didn't tested it, so i guess i was lucky. It works, but it gets very hot, so i used Accelero S1 with cooler, so it didn't get past 60 degree celcius.
Very nice vid Phil. I had a P4 3.2 on an Asrock motherboard with a Nvidia 7600gt back in 2006. I think I upgraded it to a c2d later on where I got a CPU temp error at post but this was corrected with a bios update and all was well again. All up, I was very happy with that motherboard.
Hey Phil! Great stuff as always. I want to thank you especially for the Snappy Drive Installer link. I am working on numerous projects and this tool looks great. The fastest Socket 939 chip I have is the AMD 64 X2 5000 running in an Asus M2NPV-VM 😎
AMD 64 X2 5000 for a socket 939? Wasn't X2 4800+ the top one that 939 supports?
Asrock motherboards tend to be strong as rock
Nope, they suck right off the bat
On the contrary...they're called AsRock because Asus spinoff company liked the idea of Hard as Rock...so that's what they chose..dropped the Hard
Mark Ian Clark big hard
Only board I ever had dead-on-arrival was an AsRock, talk about first impressions. Never bought another one.
I've always used Asus and ASRock, the funny thing is the only board i have ever had die on me was a Biostar board from ram oc 😄. My newest rig is the ASRock b450 pro4, 1600af, 16gb 3600 ram dialed down to 3200, paired with a Gigabyte rtx 2070 and the only problem i have is the gpu being loud and hot which after propping it up it's quite now however still runs hot 80c. Once zen 3 is released ill be upgrading the cpu and reapplying thermal paste on the gpu to get the most out of the 2070. Im interested in where you ordered the board from? 9/10 when a DOA happens it's because quality control of whichever warehouse the product came from. Not made wrong by the company but damaged in storage or shipping. I've had a few warehouse jobs, one dealing with tech and I've seen whole pallets of computer parts upwards of 300-500lbs on the pallet accidentally dropped from 5ft out of the back of trucks. Then we're ordered to just restack the pallet and send it on its way like nothing happened. There's where 90 percent of DOA happens. Always use sites with reasonable return policies and good warranties. That way not only will you have a warranty from the products company but also from the distributor. So if anything shows up fucked its 2 weeks later and back in your hands will be a brand new board usually sent by the manufacturer depending on warranty terms thus giving you a board that's never seen a warehouse outside of it's original manufacturing origin. Just a useful tip on pc parts.
Awesome. Thanks so much Phil. The member berries are strong with this video. The AMD Athlon 64 FX-57 was a beast of a single core CPU back in the day. AMD were on top form at the time. I remember mine fondly and I believe I still have it tucked away somewhere in my house. Anyways, thanks again Phil. Stay safe and I will catch you on the next one👍
EDIT: Your video has convinced me to pull mine out of retirement and have some fun with it again😃
Have fun mate
Will you be putting it into the case,or swing it out open bed style???
I wander,what period-specific case to look for ???
I still have all my original hardware from this era with Athlon X2 4400+ Asus A8n Sli Premium , 2gb Corsair 3200 c2 and a Geforce 8800GTX , Intel 80gb SSD , Enermax 535w PSU , everything still works perfectly and I've never had any issues installing XP , absolutely love my XP PC , it's a beast for the games of the era , I need to get a Creative XFI though as I only have an SB Live! in it atm , next step is a Lian-Li case from the era , the case I've got is a bit crap.
Love your channel , it's absolutely the best retro hardware channel around , I recently also built a Win 98 retro PC and used many of your videos to help in choosing the hardware , funnily the hardest thing was finding a decent beige box to suit the 98se era. Thanks again , keep it up mate. 👍👍
OG. A8N-SLI here: 8 GIGS ECC DDR* and Opteron 180.
*WHY?? you'd say! ..cause it was fun doing it (cheap ECC RAM) in Windows 7 64Bit. Now in a W2K/XP-build not so much...
Oh man, I still know my full specs from the PC I had back then :D
Athlon64 2.2Ghz, 1GB of RAM Pc3200, ATI Radeon X800 All-In-Wonder plugged into an ASUS K8N AI-series motherboard. I think I still have the motherboard and CPU sitting in a box somewhere because I loved that system so incredibly much :D
Love this era of computing!! I built my 1st computer in 2002 so this hardware is near and dear to my heart. As for what to do videos on I would love to see a video comparing the different socket 3 "pentium" solutions. POD83, cyrix 5x86, amd 133 etc......
A great video . The comments show a strong following for s939. I chose this for my own retro build during covid lock down using an ASsus A8V, Opteron 180, Radeon 4650 and X-Fi. It works flawlessly. I would like to upgrade to the Asrock dual m/b, but whilst it is working so well I”m reluctant to dismantle it and start again.
I love this classic pc reviews, 8 years old me would kill to play those games back in the days
Been awhile since I watched a video of your's Phil and well it was because it reminded me I could not get stuff used from people, did not want to order stuff from other nations and well yeah ....
Anyway glad to watch your video today and I hope you and your loved ones are doing well.
PS: I was the 670th like matching me using the GTX 670 still today. LOL!
Awesome like always!!!!
Very cool that you were wearing a ankle antistatic strap. Good on you 👍😉
What a nice early Friday present :)
Great work
I still have my Abit AN8-Ultra board, AMD 4800+, a ATI x600, a Asus EN7600GT (Passive cooler), and a Geforce 8800GT... haven't tried to run any of it in many years now. I used that system until 2013 when I finally upgraded. They might still work and I feel like building a retro PC. I even still have my case from 2005... think all I'm short is a working PSU and a nice CRT monitor...
I do actually have quite a bit of old tech. Some old intel 478, Celeron D, 2 or 3 Athlon 64 3200, AMD Phenom II 550 black, Geforce GTS250, ATI 9200, some other random graphics cards, old external 56k modem, and all kinds of bits and pieces. Never really thought about it much until I saw some of your vids and now I realize I have quite a pile of old stuff stashed away in boxes.
Feels like yesterday me and my mates were updating directX with our TNT2 and Geforce 2 MX440 (Had a 1.1Ghrz Celeron at the time) and running 3D mark to see if it made a difference and then just playing counter strike 1.3 all weekend anyway.... good times.
Ah the memories ... I never owned an FX CPU but that Ai Lifestyle branding bought back the feels of the Q6600!
Q6600, now there's a chip. I still have a rig running one, such a fantastic processor for overclocking.
The whole Q2D/Q2Q line was amazing for overclocking. I once put a 3Ghz e8400 under vegetable oil with a water cooling kit in a mini fridge and it just wouldn't quit. I think I got it to 4.5Ghz...
I had the first board you tried. I ordered it because it had integrated Sata in the northbridge specifically so it didn't need the F6 driver method to use data. I never had to do that with that board. I ordered that board as soon as it launched, and it had a lot of stability issues at first, but then on a later bios update it became the most stable and solid system I have ever owned. I paired mine with the Athlon 64 X2 4400+. I still have both the board and CPU.
Have the same Asrock board in one of my machines, bought new many years ago :) still works fine :)
I love this motherboard. AGP and PCIe works at the same time. I got to run simultaneusly Quake 2 in a windows through a AGP NVIDIA card in a monitor, and a DirectX 9 game on another monitor through an AMD PCIE card. All in a single Windows XP 64 bits edition without virtualization. There was, of course, some issues with the drivers until it works
Building PCs back then must have been really annoying. This CPU looked like a beast when it came out but it was just a year later that AMD released the 64 X2 5600+ with two cores at 2.8 GHZ each for HALF the price of this one. It's the processor I'm rocking in my XP-era build as it's cheap as chips now and it can easily compete with a Core 2 Duo.
Jay Arre I remember some games coming out with a patch to utilize dual cores. May have been Doom 3 🤔
Au contraire, it was a great time. Games usually lagged behind supporting/taking advantage of the latest features by 1-2 years, still the case today (most games are still DX11). However, since hardware was evolving so rapidly, people were upgrading constantly, and the used market was flooded with hardware. So if you were willing to buy used, you could get top of the line hardware from 2 years prior for the price of a budget build using modern hardware.
Want a hard choice between a 2.7 GHz single core semphron or a 2.6 GHz quad cor ephenom for the same price. Same for GPUs, would you rather have a geforce 9500GT or a 7800GTX? A ATI x1950xtx or a 3450?
Compare that to today and the prices of used 1080tis finally falling below $500 4 years after release, and even older AMD HD 7000 GPUs holding their prices relatively well.
Many used Opterons as well. I have a retro rig from around 2005 that has the Opteron 185 in it. It's a dual core running at 2.6 GHz. More than enough for the games from that era, as well as games that came much later.
@Nick - Yes, 1080 Ti's are still selling for a lot, even after all these years. I bought an MSI Gaming X one last year for around $500 (slightly used). You mean the Asus HD 7970 Matrix, Sapphire Toxic and such models right? Those were beasts when they launched back in 2012/2013 and they pretty much forced Nvidia to release the much more expensive Titan in order to hold the title as "fastest GPU". No wonder they still sell high today.
They were also widely used in mining due to the good compute performance of GCN.
@Jay Arre while that's true, the 2nd core really helped for running multiple applications.
I was in college at the time and I had a fx 3200+ and my buddy had the 4200+
I had a TV tuner card in my pc. I had to give the tuner card to him because my computer couldn't run the TV and play games at the same time.
Like this video and idea, to use CPU from 2005 and two GPU’s around that era. I would like to see such videos moving forward to 2006 as example and adding at last Window Vista RTM or Vanilla, whatever you call it)
Yep, I have an A8N32-SLI Deluxe that died a few years ago. Bought it new back in 2005 along with an Opteron 185 CPU. It ran fine w/ the CPU overclocked to 3GHz for 12 years. In 2017 it started falling apart, piece by piece. The first part to go was the nVidia NIC. No problem - the board has two NICs, so I started using the Marvell NIC. Two months later, the PCIe X4 slot stopped working. Again, no problem - I wasn't using SLI, so I moved my X-Fi sound card to the secondary x16 slot.
Another two months later, the rest of the motherboard went kaput. One day as the computer was playing audio files from NAS, it just started SCREAMING. The machine completely hard froze & started blasting the loudest, shrillest sound out of the speakers. I immediately pulled the plug and let it cool off. Unfortunately, I never got the board to POST again after that incident. All of the caps looked fine, so I'm not sure what caused it to die.
I still have that board. It's framed and hanging on my wall. :)
Unfortunately some of these caps will show no signs of being bad at all, most of this hardware was manufactured during the capacitor plague where a company leaked an incomplete capacitor formula that many chinese companies erroneously copied
@@nneeerrrd They don't need to bulge to go bad, electrolytic can dry out (slow leak) and with age they love to either short or go open. Ceramics can go bad as well and that stops the majority of people from fixing hardware for all the usual reasons.
I have dead or unstable mainboards and graphic cards from pre 2010. I assume it's the caps. Never overclocked them hard.
I also have A8N32-SLI Deluxe. It works just perfect. And have fanless design. Also it has no PCI-E x4 slot. All that it has - 2xPCI-E x16 slots and 3xPCI. And it can handle Opteron 185 since Q2'06. How the hell could you buy Opteron 185/A8N32-SLI Deluxe in 2005 when Opteron 185 had been introduced in March 2006 and this board couldn't hold this processor before BIOS version 1103?
@@ichinumi Have no clue. All I know is that, yes, my A8N32-SLI Deluxe most definitely has an x4 slot, and that I most definitely was using it with an Opteron 185 since the day I bought it. That day could've been in 2006, but my memory is steering me to summer of '05.
Both of my Nforce boards started having issues after a few years. One failed to see any kind of boot device, and the other I do believe the chipset cooked itself to death.
My buddy had a dfi lanparty mobo based on I think it was the nforce 3 chipset. The cpu mosfets caught fire and burned a hole in the motherboard
nVidia made some great performing/featured chipsets for Socket A, 754 and 939 but they never made a reliable chipset that I know of. Even back in the day, people noted they seemed to be problematic or outright die more often than other parts
@@TheDemocrab The nforce 2 Sata controller started dying at one point. I would need to leave the PC on for 30 minutes sitting at a black screen and then it would boot. My mate had the sound card (which was one of the reasons to buy the board just die).
Still have my MSI K8N Neo2 which features an AGP 8X slot and MSI K8N Neo4H which has a PCIe 1.0 16X slot. I was a bit soured on the nForce 1 from MSI on the Socket A platform due to the bulging caps (which was revealed later on that they relied on a cap supplier who used "counterfeit" formulas). I was soured on MSI after my AM3 build that featured piss poor VRMs despite being touted as being highly reliable and overclockable...
My socket 462 with nforce also died, just by being in storage...
I've had several Asus boards and never had any serious issues. Never used an Nvidia chipset though. My 939 board is a MSI K8T Neo2. Still works and also has Win98 compatibility if you're willing to work for it.
It was mainly NVIDIA nForce problem, even later in AM2 era the nForce Ultra 570 and such were quite buggy.
Asus boards from that era (the weird orange colored ones) were rock solid.
I have his exact board and while the mobo worked great for about two years, it died as soon as the warranty ran out. Was great while it lasted though.
I started with C64 so I have a lot behind me. XT, AT, 386, 486 etc.. Each generation has got its unique milestones. I was building a lot of PCs by then, it was very fascinating time, starting from hardware support for T&L in GeForce 256 progress in graphics was really massive and 5 years was a century. Nowadays if you will take a look at AAA from 5 years ago, there is still progress, there are improvements but then it was like discovering whole new world. In terms of progress Witcher III vs RDR 2 is not as impressive as Quake II vs Battlefield 1942 but there is still a lot of fun in computing.
Great video as always Phil!
I have a similar retro XP gaming PC.
I went for the similarly bonkers Pentium 4 extreme edition (3.4GHz on socket 775)
Nvidia GTX 7950GT (XFX overclocked silent edition)
ASUS P5WD2 Premium motherboard
4GB (2x2GB) ddr2 RAM (1066mhz Corsair XMS2)
Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty Edition (the original PCI version with 64MB of X-Ram and the 5.25" bay)
It's all build around the P4 EE, there are so few motherboards that support it.
I chose the nvidia card because of its looks and the fact it was silent. It also evokes more nostalgia for me as I always had Nvidia cards back in the day. (I think I had a GeForce 6200 at the time)
I'm currently playing Doom 3 on it during the lockdown!
I'd love to see you do a video on the Prescot 2M vs the 1M and see if the extra cache made any difference in retro games and if it makes any difference to more modern applications and then maybe compare that to the extreme edition.
I'd also like to see more of the Intel vs AMD series.
I was a console player in 2005, but I got into PC gaming a year ago, and its nice being able to play games on pc now, I enjoy both console and Pc, they both have their strengths and weaknesses
If you buy modern creative sound cards, even external usb ones, you can emulate eax configuration on any game from windows xp or below that supported it. I've never heard you mention that in any of your videos, which are otherwise very well made and informative
Awesome video! Reminds me of the days when I got my first dual core CPU, the Opteron 185, which was basically a cheaper FX-60. How cool would it be to check those out too?
I have an ASUS A8N-SLI that, as of the last time I tried it, still works perfectly fine. I've had to replace the chipset fan twice since I got the board back when I purchased it as a replacement for an MSI board that died a mysterious death after a simple RAM upgrade; this would have been sometime around the end of the 939's lifespan, circa '05-06. I bought a passive Zalman heatsink that I might get around to putting on it some day.
Aside from a single capacitor near the RAM slot sthat's showing signs of bulging, the board appears to still be in decent condition, and now I kind of want to take it out and play with it.
Watching this with a Dutch subtitles, just breathtaking
Yeah like what happened there XD
Hoi
I had that asrock board myself and asrock sent me a daughter board to upgrade it to am2 socket. I never used the daughter board and still have it. That board was rock solid for me and used it for many years
I love this! I had a Abit Nforce socket A board and moved to an Asrock 939 board with a Venice 3200+ and 2 gb of Corsair xms.. That ram was ungodly expensive back in the day. I ran with a BFG 7950GT. Was a great system for its time.
Great retro review as usual..back then I was only a year into PCs..my Athlon XP 2000 was replaced in 2006 by the short lived socket 754 Athlon64 3000+ another single core..in an MSI K8M800 6741...still runs but has a Sempron 1600 now...like your many failing boards from this era...mine won't work with the 3000 or 3200 or 3400...no signals...but all the same starting noises and fans...I had to wait another decade to get a Foxconn 939 board and processor...which I use everyday...and I also have a few pentium based old PCs too...wouldn't mind one of those AsRock AGP/PCIe boards...
I still have my athlon 64 3500+ paired with a asus a8n-vm csm rev 1.01 and it has worked flawlessly for as long as I've had it. I've had it since 2009 when I got it from a relative. Apart from cleaning it from dust I've replaced the cmos battery once a couple of years ago.
I had a 3500+, as well.....nice processor at the time!
I used an Athlon 64 3700+ and the Athlon 64X2 3800+ on that board. Never a problem!
I have an Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe, almost the same Board as you wanted to use. Got it CIB almost new, but the seller sold it really cheap, due to a faded memory of having issues with it. I tested it and it would always spit out the same post beebs and a black screen, regardless of cpu or powersupply. Got another used but in good conditon A8N (don´t remember the exact model) also with an Nforce Chipset but without SLI capabilites. That board worked fine, apart from booting issues sometimes. Sold it as a complete system to a friend, so he can play some games from back in the day, that he really enjoyed.
For anyone curious, here's the reasons you don't want to install video and audio drivers from Snappy Driver Installer Origin: For video driver I have routinely had bad luck with it causing system lockups and having to boot to Safe Mode and manually remove or replace them; this has occurred regularly on both NVIDIA and ATI/AMD GPUs, other manufacturers don't really seem to be an issue. For audio drivers, specifically Creative Labs products, the original Creative Labs installation CDs will not detect the sound card once drivers have been installed and so the installers will refuse to run. It's best to install everything you need from the CD immediately after Windows installation, and then reboot. From there, you can allow SDIO to install the latest drivers for the cards and retain their full functionality.
Loved how smooth Far Cry looked in the video (shame about the 7900 GTO's texture issue, though). It's still such a good looking game, at least to my nostalgic eyes.
Before my M2N32-SLI Deluxe I had one of those asrock boards. Strait up, when it first launched, it was crap. Stability and performance issues abounded, but every time I looked there was a new bios update. And one by one the bugs were all fixed. And then finally with one of the later bios revisions they gave them a great performance boost, so they were as good as any other board at the time on 939. I passed mine down and it was used happily for many years. Best budget board of its era that allowed me to hang onto my AGP card and upgrade to a dual core and pcie card, and later AM2. Very great experience.
Great Video Phil! Can u recommend some thermal pads?? Thanks
I remember when you couldn't really multi-task or double-client while playing a game. I still get a weird feeling sometimes when I'm in a game and tab out to do something in the browser etc, and that was a while ago. Single and double-threaded/core CPUs just weren't it. Glad we don't have to worry about it anymore 😅
That was still me until very recently. I couldn't even run overwatch and discord at the same time.
This brings up some fuzzy old memories of me struggling to play games on my dad's old Dell with a Pentium 4 inside. This was the very reason when I built my first PC I went overboard and got a 5820K
The nForce chipset was a pain in the arse when new, and only got worse with age, driver support fell off and then normally the headsinks fell off on the cheaper boards and they died
I have an ECS board from 2007 and have no issues, but I have repasted it.
@@uzernaim1648 more amazed you have a ECS board still working 🤣
@@JimtheITguy I still have working old PC with ECS Nforce4 A939 motherboard running Athlon x2 4200+. Running it just for a cheap router/ftp server
@@JimtheITguy I have a working Socket 4 ECS board from 1995. I've heard it outperforms most other mainboards for socket 4. Also it offers great possibilities to configure memory and cache timings.
@@Tom2404 Glad to hear it, Socket 7 and SS7 onwards boards got so cheap and badly made that they didnt survive or they were so unstable after a few years due to crap caps
Would you recomend the sound blaster X-fi or the audigy 2 zs for such a retro pc? I've been watching all of your videos, great stuff by the way. I have come to the conclusion that the audigy 2 zs is the best, but now I'm a bit confused.
X-Fi is best for XP. Audigy 2 is ok for XP but best Creative card for Windows 98.
Brutaler Akzent :D Aber geiles Video - danke dafür
You got a new subscriber ( ;
I bought an Asus A7N8X-E deluxe back in the Athlon XP days, and had a lot of problems with it, I had the same issues that you had in the video, but only with the ethernet controller. When I tried to make a RMA the vendor had gone bankrupt, so I had to get a VIA based board from Msi instead. Worked like a charm until lightning struck :-)
On the A8N32 it looks like your SB chip cooler is not touching properly? Like it's lifted on the left side.
As for Sata drivers: did you try the most simple IDE mode in bios? Or AHCI if it was on ide?
Don't see the point in installing XP on such heavy hardware, why not just win 7 if for gaming, no dx10/11 is a real handicap?
My old Pentium 3 Lappy with 600 mhz cpu and 192mb ram runs windows XP...
Great Video Phil...Im pretty sure i was all AMD/ATI in 2005...couldnt afford anything else..I did have an X850XT...and i believe at one point had an Nforce2 mainboard..one problem i had was that i had purchased a antec 500w "green" PSU..every time i would play the original Prey my whole system would shut down after about 20 minutes..took my along time to figure out it was that shitty PSU...have never bought an Antec again...lol
Great drinking game when watching your videos.. You win if your alive at the end of the video. The catch: when phil say "BUT" you drink.. Good luck!
I have used an ASROCK M3N78-VM with NForce chipset with absolutely no problems until a couple of weeks. It has been paired with Phenom X3 710 and X4 955 BE. Always overclocked and no problem.
sold MDSI @ the time and I remember problems like this with Nvidia Chipsets. Also remember many tests with nlite integrating drivers as well ... bleh, Glad to know I'm not the only one with Nvidia problems! Always had great luck with Via and ATI chipsets! Thnx,
I own the same A8N-32 board that I picked up second hand a few years ago. I've only had stability problems with, but nothing like the driver issues you had with yours. Normally older ASUS stuff is fine but I wonder if something going on specifically with their 939 stuff.
Nice video as always Phil :) I had the same issue you had with the Asus boards but with an Asrock AM2NF3-VSTA which also has an Nforce chipset, for me the board wouldn't even power on, no green LED, nothing. I had the same thing with a Gigabyte 939 board with AGP and Nforce chipset though with this one the southbridge was getting hot gradually (I had to remove its cooler to notice that) but no power on, no LED etc. I think it's a chipset problem
Thanks for sharing!
We need a review of that motherboard and the funky AGP-esq slots, not to mention all those header jumpers!
Hi. Did you test your first motherboard (the one with BSOD) with Linux ? I remember saving PCI-64 and PCI-128 sound cards just by installing'em in a Linux powered rig.
man, some pandemic killing people around the world but Phil uploaded another video about retro hardware. this world is cool
Don't watch the media.
the very day after i start asking for one on the facebook channels, now the price is gonna go through the roof, thanks fill. Kidding awesome work as usual.
ive had massive problems with via chipsets not haveing speed mitigation.
What's the going rate of this CPU?
Havent been able to find one, theres a fx 60 goong for 160 us
I have a abit kn8 ultimate someone gave to me for free and I was wondering if you had any thoughts on it? I've used it a bit and seems good, but I honestly don't know alot about that generation
Awesome video! It would be great to see modified drivers
What modified driver are you after?
I have an am2+ board from about 2008 with an nforce chipset. Still works today! I guess they ironed out the bugs later.
I had issues with my ASUS M2N-E (not with SATA as it didn't have AHCI support) with random crashes. I thought the board was complete toast until I looked at it and noticed a blown cap near the RAM. I replaced all the caps that had the same values as the one that blew and no more random crashes.
For your boards that don't POST, check the caps (top and bottom) to see if any have blown and recap if necessary.
I might look into getting a board like that with both AGP and PCIe. I got a few AGP cards I have no idea if they work and no way to test them.
I love that copper heat pipe on the mobo
when I want to test an old motherboard, I just use a PCI Sata controller. Had only issues with the onboard SATA ports.
Good advice !
Would I be completely off base if I said that I seem to remember from reviews back then, that the Radeon cards had higher image quality by default in their driver settings? Better texture filtering or something of that sort.
I have an FX-57 build with an A8N32-SLI Deluxe motherboard. don't recall ever having any issues with that motherboard. Even have 4GB of that special RAM they specifically recommended for that motherboard with the fancy LED lights.
Yep,I had the fx-55 and Asus m2n32-sli deluxe with four 80gb hdds in raid 0 and a 2 EVGA 8800gts video cards in sli.
Great video as always. Quick question: as I see @ 5:06 did you leave SATA operation mode at RAID and SATAII at IDE mode? I wonder if that's why XP was crashing after installing the sata drivers. Also, I would always leave SATA modes at AHCI before installing Windows. Note: you probably know this but when you do that, you should NEVER go back and change that mode back to IDE after Windows has been installed, otherwise the O.S. will fail to boot. I learned that the hard way. :(
You have to switch it back to AHCI mode, start in safe mode and tweak a registry entry to regain normal O.S. functionality.
I tried all the options! Using a floppy with F6 Driver worked with either BIOS settings...
Last year I've built myself a little retro project box around the Athlon XP platform, mainly to archive old stuff from 5.25" floppy disks. I had an Asus motherboard initially (A7N8X), which would lock up in the BIOS, and 50-50 chance to POST. I've swapped it out to an Abit NF7-S, and that one still works well to this day. Oh, and the video card in that box is a Geforce 6600 GT, but only because that was what I had in spare. I might swap it out to a period correct ATi card at some point.
Thank you once again for your work. Maybe you could make a detailed video about your usual settings, so we could compare our results a little better. Off topic: Are there any sound cards that offer VXD support in Windows Me? I tried at least two days with all kinds of aproches but a failed with the Audigy 2 ZS.
What settings are you referring to? AFAIK wdm for ME. I would go with 98 SE therefore.
@@philscomputerlab I followed your video: ruclips.net/video/RfmYYG1rVug/видео.html. I've absolutly no copmlaints. I was just wodering if you experienced the same than I did with die Audigy 2 ZS. Windows ME is so much better (in my eyes) than Windows 98. I coulden't make the VXD drivers working in ME. And really, I would like to know more abaout your settings when you performe benchmarks.
It's funny, as you were talking about the dodgy ASUS boards I was thinking, shoulda bought Asrock, so I did laugh when you revealed the 4th board. :D I too had issues with an ASUS nForce board back then, and the support was rather poor, so I bought an Asrock instead and oh my what a different experience! I wanted to use a particular pro PCI SCSI card, so Asrock actually sent me a custom BIOS with support for the card, quite extraordinary. Also, when the next gen AMD CPU upgrade came out, Asrock had their BIOS update available within 15 mins, whereas ASUS told me the other board was old and they weren't going to update the BIOS (so the ASUS is stick with a 6000+, while the Asrock has a Ph2 x4 965 BE).
I liked a great many later ASUS boards, especially the M4E (sans USB3 issue), R4E P9X79/E WS and others, but the old ones with nForce chipsets were meh. I bought an XFX mbd with an nForce chipset, that just died one day, no idea why. Other mbds though are still going strong, including curiously an Asrock AM2NF3-VSTA (which uses nForce3 250), so maybe it was more an of an ASUS issue, hard to say.
Same mobo as my Athlon 64 build back in the day! I also had issues with nForce boards, but the Asrock was pretty stable. It didn't die that I know of, but I think it got stuffed in a closet.
GPU's that it featured were the 6600GT, x1650pro, and then a 8800GTS when it launched. Nearly got a 7 series, but held off; The 8800's were great! (Until they cooked); I had 4 by the end!
What about DOS/Win98? Does this ASRock chipset support Win98? If I put a Quadro FX 3000 and a SB Live! (0100) would I be coverred for DOS to early WinXP (early games)?
I built a system using this chip in 2005. At the time, it rocked!
I've had a few nforce chipset boards. The main thing I remember was boy did they run hot!
Last version of Easy2Boot work fine for me I just installed windows xp sp3 (Building a retropc after several weeks of quarantine here in Spain)
I had had ton of problems with Nforce chipset and socket 939 back in the days, I RMAed a Gigabyte motherboard and I had stability problems also with socket AM2, partially solved using Ubuntu, I had also the 939 Dual Sata 2 and it was my mainboard back them, very nice experience with that and ULi chipset
My experience with Socket 939 has been overall positive.
Recently, I purchased an Asus A8N32-SLI (never really had any serious problems with Asus boards, unless they were actually broken), and after giving it a thorough cleaning because it was a bit disgusting (spraying it down with some CRC QD Electronic Cleaner after popping off the heatsinks, doing additional cleaning with 91% iso. al., and using some new Arctic MX-4 and Arctic thermal pads for the VRM + chipset heatsinks), I threw into it my AMD Athlon 64 FX-60, 2 different kits of 2x512MB DDR-400, a Zalman CNPS9500 LED CPU cooler, and a Teamgroup L5 3D Lite 120GB SSD, and went off to install XP Pro. 64-bit.
I never had as much trouble installing XP as I did when I tried with this platform. It turns out that if you slipstream the Nvidia SATA drivers (which you can get by unzipping the all-in-one Nvidia chipset+storage+other-stuff driver package and going to the "IDE\WIN**\sata_ide" folder), you have to allow XP's installer do drive formating, or else it'll essentially not copy anything over from the install disk. If you try to format your boot drive under modern Windows for proper SSD allignment and the like, and try to make the slipstreamed XP installer do something with it, the installer acts as though the volume is write-protected from the looks of it.
Besides that multi-hour troublshooting nightmare, the rest went swimmingly. Installed the latest Nvidia all-in-one driver package for the chipset, then sound, LAN, etc., fully-updated XP with _all_ of the latest updates, installed the latest GPU drivers for my given GPU, did some tiddying up, and the install was ready for some GPU testing (I was testing a 7950GT and a 7900GTX that I had just acquired for this test-build).
After that was all said and done, I decided to try some OCing with this CPU. I got decent results I think with this chip (2.8Ghz with stock bus speeds, multiplier of 14, and Vcore of 1.45V; the chip was over 2 hours stable under Prime95 at 1.435V (?), so 1.45V should equal rock-solid stability, although I didn't test it; after all, 'tis was just for a little benchmarking, not long-term use; BTW, I had some fans over the VRMs, just in case). Sadly, I could not go any higher and hope for any reasonable stability. From what I could gather, this was due to temperature - these chips get real sensitive at around 60C, unlike modern CPUs, so if I want to get beyond 2.8Ghz, I'll need a beefer cooler or a more exotic solution. I don't think I won the silicon lottery with this chip.
Anywho, getting an FX-60 to 2.8Ghz (which I think with nearly all FX-60s is easily doable with a decent cooler) should easily put it toe-to-toe with an FX-57 at least in clocks, all the while giving you the benefits of two cores with 1 megabyte of cache per core.
@PhilsComputerLab Maybe you should compare the FX-57 with the FX-60, and if you need an FX-60, I'd be happy to loan you mine. :D
I used the A8N-VM CSM board for years with no problems.
Athlon64 3700+, exactly like your processor but 2.4GHz. 4GB ddr-400 CL3-3-3-9 RAM.
The sound card was a MUST. I used a Creative Audigy4 PCI Card.
Running F.E.A.R. with vs without I saw a 40% uplift in fps, since the single (high power) core wasn't tasked with sound (3D sound is computative!)
Graphics, at the time, I used ATI Radeon 1900XT. Later tested crossfire when I got a matching card from a friend. Needed Windows XP Pro x64 when I swapped in the Athlon64 X2 3800+ and using Crossfire. (By then I'd gone on to a newer Bulldozer system, but still had fond feelings for this old system!)
AMD: Breaking the 2.5Ghz barrier at time. High clocked single core CPUs with huge CACHE are still kings
They certainly weren't with highest clocks
I wouldn’t say a single core cpu in 2020 would be considered huge but back in the day hell yeah. Technology advancements move so fast.
@@TurtleAsshole well, multithreading Is not yet in all apps. In my exp single-dual core up to 4 core 4ghz cpus perform better then 8-16 core 3ghz cpus, so frequency matter
Amd broke the 5ghz barrier too with fx 9th gen or also known as the amd Chernobyl cpu
@@krumrashkov7228 Never seen a serial produced 5ghz CPU on sale, will check it. External love for AMD and via-cyrix, healthy competition
I started with a MSI 939 board (chipset fan was a bit flakey) with a 3500+ with a 7800GTX, changed to a 4000+ and finally paired a FX-60 with a DFI eXpert 939 SLI board with 2 x 7900GT's (all watercooled). The graphics cards were finally replaced with a GTX 260 which I left aircooled with the CPU under water.Still have all the parts, might dig it out and run it up in my test bench during this lockdown for giggles.
i have the exact same motherboard as your first one and it still works fine for me. only problem i ran into was it wouldn't boot once on a new install unless i ran the original disk that came with it. it was some "chassis intruded" error.
I've still got my MSI nforce 4 neo4 and that still works and caps are still good, on the otherhand. I had 2 939 gigabyte boards that died of cap plague.
I ran a AMD Opteron 185 for a long time on a MSI K8N Neo4 Socket 939 motherboard. Finally retired it at the end of 2018 as I finally moved from Opteron 939 and Phneom II AM3 over to Ryzen AM4 platform.
Still got a working A8N-E. I think 2 of the ram slots are flakey now though :(. Was in my system from 2005 until maybe 2010.
Hey, I've got an two Intel Pentium II @417 MHz on a dual Socket Mainboard (Asus P2L97-DS) with 128 MB SDRAM (already ordered 1GB in eBay).
Can you suggest a good GPU for the AGP Slot?
Did you tried to install not a latest drivers? I figured that latest drivers (for example for 6800u for Win9x) is very buggy. Also it is happening with chipset drivers.
Great video Phil! I own an ASUS M3N-HT Deluxe with socket AM2 and nForce 780a SLI chipset. Also couldn't get SATA working in AHCI mode, though it works fine in IDE mode. Now I am curious to see if my A8N-SLI will give me the same issue... Gonna try this weekend :)
For AHCI extract the nForce driver, the F6 driver is in a sub folder...
Perfect timing, I'm waiting for some 2x1GB DDR for my Athlon 64 3200+, I will put a HD7850 on this one.
I think these came with those neat four-heat-pipe-coming-out-of-the-same-side coolers which I found a lot at Goodwill Computer Works. I need to compare those to the later style you're using here.
Good question, not sure what the boxed cooler looked like. Did it even come with one?
@@philscomputerlab After looking into it, I was thinking of the cooler that shipped with the FX-6X series which came out maybe 6 months later. Hexus reviewed the FX60 and references that it features an upgrade over the original cooler-- "When FX-57 was released it was shipped solely with a PIB cooler developed by AVC. Since launch, AMD...sought...another model to ship ... with FX-57 and their other ~100W CPUs... Manufactured by Coolermaster and called CMHK8-8I22A-A2"
I've had quite a few AsRock boards up to this point and they've always been reliable. I still remember the first time I got one on sale thought WTF is this, but it turned out great. Would recommend them. I generally go with Radeon for video if I can. But i've run some nVidia stuff in the past.
i have an a8n board. had issues with nforce drivers. had to try a few different chipset versions and then it worked, and still is
I wonder why they put 2001 on the chip if it came out in 2005?
I think the highlight of this video is the PCI-e slots combined with AGP and PCI. And SATA + IDE (even the floppy one). A motherboard that covers the step between 2 generations.