Why do I continue to suffer even after I am awakened?
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- Awakening doesn’t necessarily mean the end of all challenges or emotional pain. Instead, it shifts your relationship to suffering and its meaning.
Awakening Reveals, It Doesn’t Erase. It often brings a deeper awareness of reality, including the nature of suffering itself. You might now see your pain more clearly, without the distractions or illusions you once used to avoid it.
Even after awakening, old habits, patterns, and conditioning from the ego or mind can persist. These patterns don’t disappear overnight-they take time and conscious effort to dissolve and even after awakening, there might be moments where you resist pain, loss, or change.
Ultimately, suffering doesn’t define your awakening and life’s ups and downs don’t cease.
So be gentle with yourself. Awakening doesn’t mean you’re free from being human.
Allow it to arise without judgment, seeing it as part of the natural flow of life-as the practical and emotional aspects of daily living.
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Suffering is a choice , as only a mind suffers there can’t be any suffering within a being without a mind.
interesting - Best
Feeling awakened doesn't mean you are already liberated from suffering. The Veda ( specifically Bhagavad-Gita) explains that not matter how much spiritual knowledge you have acquired, not matter how much detachment you have been able to develop from becoming involved in the karmic activities, there is always a chance to suffer (although for many spiritualized souls it might be a little suffering) because mukti ( liberation) can happen only after leaving this material body. However, the goal of spiritual practices is to purify our consciousness so that our heart becomes clear to develop love for God, Krsna. In so doing, we might continue to suffer but we'll not become affected in our continues effort to love the Lord--which is the only guarantee to go back to the spiritual world where there is not death, diseases, pain, etc.... Bhakti is the science by which we can learn how to love God. 🙏🙏
Thats well said- Best
You can be entirely without suffering in this world , you don’t have to leave your body to be this way. It doesn’t matter where you are if you cannot be without it here you won’t be anywhere else without it and you will come to this place as long as it takes you to become this way and accept living in this world and accept nature as it is. Suffering is always denial of something , without denial there can’t be suffering so total acceptance means no resistance. Humans are confusing to me since childhood as suffering was always a choice to me , your being doesn’t suffer. It’s your mind so being mindless is being without suffer people are simply not willing to give up what is needed to be given up. You want to be eternal ? Eternity is right here and now you don’t need to leave earth to experience this.
Enlightenment is recognition of truth. It is not result of spiritual acrobatics. If you recognize the truth and live by it, then you can bear the suffering without complaining. Enlightenment cannot cure suffering. Enlightenment can give strength to bear suffering if not cure it.
Well said - Best
If you would be truly conscious there can’t be suffering. Your mind suffers not your being so being enlightened cannot result in suffering as there is no suffering mind. If you face suffering you are simply not enlightened.
@@ginosalihbegovic7137 I am sure enlightened people, meaning who are truly conscious enough at peace without self-ignorance, also make effort to survive, avoid pain or discomfort and avoid suffering. To live is to suffer from hunger, pain, disease, death, old age etc. as well as to enjoy pleasures that natural richness offers. Enlightenment is just a maturity due to simple recognition of truth. I do not see it anything supernatural or very rare. I can say that enlightened people feel at peace and feel secure because they can know reality more clearly than the people who are hypnotized.
@ You are so deeply mistaken and have absolutely no clue about consciousness. There is no security , nothing to survive and surely nothing to avoid. Imagine being empty and hollow there is nothing , where nothing is there can’t be suffering 😂 It’s a choice most are simply not conscious enough , unconsciousness leads to suffering. Truly being conscious is being without everything. Your body feels pain not your being , your mind suffers without one there will be none , your body feels hunger doesn’t mean you have to suffer from your physical condition otherwise you are simply not conscious and your well being is determined by your physical condition which is enslavement. Nobody who is conscious cares about survival as it’s simply primitive and beneath human potential. Your mind seeks survival not your being. Maybe yourself will rid itself of your personal matters one day and you will experience that everything you suffered were simply illusions. Yourself is death and life simultaneously you can’t be afraid of what you are yourself which is absolute nonsense. Age is a condition, your taught your brain to think in age it wouldn’t ever think of itself in age 😂 what you described is simply someone who lives a personal life not if someone who is conscious
@@ginosalihbegovic7137 What you describe about consciousness sounds like state of anesthesia, physical or mental. I see consciousness as a phenomenon of knowing. Due to yoga and meditation, consciousness is set right due to better processes of life and then I know my experiences better. I see myself as consciousness as phenomenon of knowing, not something beyond life or death. I mean I don't believe in eternal self or inner soul. Thats not my experience or knowledge.
1 karma and lack of truthful righteous life
2 pathway for learning how to defeat
3 for divine mission ( self mastery)
Those are nice thoughts- Best
The less you desire to master yourself the easier this will become as you creat less tension towards yourself. Your mind seeks mastery not your being so giving up the desire to master yourself will make this 100x faster and easier
@ i dont seek mastery. Nor interested in learning. My living is for truth and truthful life, not conquest nor mastery.
People may become awake which doesn’t equal them being free. Awakening provides the profound insights to free thyself. It’s only the beginning of most people journey towards freedom. If many think that was challenging go ahead and watch every dream , every desire everything fade away and be totally fine with it. A soul doesn’t desire anything than being itself and what is needed to by thyself ? Absolutely nothing 😂 your body needs water and food your being needs nothing. Blank nothingness.
You are right, he associates suffering as avidya, as dismemberment from your true self, and this proceeds through language, The dismemberment of man into religions, nations etc is suffering, the pollution of air, rivers, mining and farming is suffering and this Is primordial suffering and is real, not what we individually suffer. Iam still trying to understand but he is talking about that suffering, for example here:
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interesting! so awakening, enlightenment also awakens you to a primordial experience of suffering.
This video appears when I was looking for something like this I hope it's good, I almost have no doubt it will be. Lately the videos I look for don't seem to exist, if they do they must be in a language I don't understand or maybe I should do the research and make my own videos lol.
Hope you find what you are searching for. - Best
It's because you are not awakened, the meaning of been awakened is that you get out of the program, you are not affected by it.
But you still have to live in the real world. Particularly when somebody has a family, his concerns are real, right?
I have always wondered whether the awakening of a monk is sometimes different from that of a householder. I am surprised that all the Rishis and Avatars were householders, yet in modern times, awakening is mostly defined by the monk’s way of life.
Traditionally, many of the great Rishis and Avatars in Indian spirituality did indeed live as householders, fulfilling their roles in society while also achieving spiritual awakening. The distinction between the householder and the monk path has always existed, with both considered valid paths to enlightenment. However, over time, especially in modern contexts, the monk’s life has come to be more associated with spiritual attainment due to the way certain traditions and teachings have evolved, particularly in the modern age, where monasticism has been idealized.
The householder path, or grihastha ashrama, has always been an integral part of the spiritual journey, with many texts highlighting that spiritual growth can occur within the complexities of family and social responsibilities. In contrast, monks, who take vows of renunciation and asceticism, often become symbols of detachment, which is seen as a clear route to self-realization in some schools of thought.
It’s a fascinating shift, especially considering the balance that both paths embody-one grounded in the world and responsibilities, the other in withdrawal and detachment. It makes you wonder whether the increasing emphasis on monasticism might be a response to modern challenges, where, for many, spiritual life often feels disconnected from daily life. What’s your take on this shift?
There’s a balance. If you fall down and brake your leg it will hurt but you won’t sit there while healing and say “ now how will I eat, who will come take care of me, what if I lose everything” maybe you’ll think those things but they won’t hold you down.
@ But that's the error, you still think you are your thoughts.
I think he said somewhere that there is truth and there are opinions. You are the truth; everything else is mere opinion. The whole is experiencing itself through you. You are that which is experiencing itself through you, and everything else is just opinion, including Buddha, Osho, Krishnamurti, and Plato. This self is the ground and precedes all thought, even scientific measurements. So, one should know this self.
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Can anyone tell me who is the speaker?
Here are some of the info you can find searching the tube (we have covered his work)
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Sorry if some of the links didn't works, I have relinked it
These days, after watching 8 to 10 videos of Osho, everyone starts speaking slowly with pauses and claims to be enlightened. It’s quite amusing-no offense intended, apologies in advance!
Akash…Osho is a great speaker - Best