Epic Store Accused of Accessing Private Steam User Data Without Permission, Valve Disapproves
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You shouldn't praise steam as it is becoming more and more corporate... by that i mean censorship
Yong out
The worst part of the Phoenix Point / Epic deal is that PP is region locked on EGS. Backers in countries like S. Korea simply can't play it on EGS and Snapshot seem to be completely ignoring this issue!
If I recall right, doesn’t Tencent own some of reddit?
EPIC: "We don't use the Steam API because we work to minimize the number of third-party libraries we include in our products due to security and privacy concerns."
The Gaming Population: "We don't use the Epic launcher because we work to minimize the number of third party libraries we include on our PC's due to security and privacy concerns."
I am pretty sure API and third-party library are two compeltely different things. Not using API is like saying we don't like to use front door because it has security and limits data we can st.... take. We prefer to make a hole in a building with battering ram and take stuff directly from werehouse.
Vojta Mrlina r/woosh
@@Gideon_the_Seraph how is that a r/wooosh? His comment wasn't directed at the joke, it was directed at Epic's BS. Learn to read and stop misusing reddit tags
@@TheRevanM "We prefer to make a hole in a building with battering ram and take stuff directly from werehouse" LMAO XD
this made my day
autismoose fuck off normie
Epic is just proving Steam is better for every gamer.
Right? They're literally killing off themselves.
You can still get your Steam account hacked, but otherwise, yes. Epic is becoming a cancer.
@@strykervenom1 steam cant be hacked
Yes , as long as you like popular games www.pcgamesn.com/valve-discoverability-bug
And here I am hoping GoG will be the new hawt ;-;
"We're going to fix it" is code for "We are going to try harder to not get caught next time"
Exactly. This is sadly what that type of talk means most of the time in giant corporation bullshit land...
Yeah there's nothing to fix, it's working as intended but they were caught with their hand in other people's cookie jars.
@@metazare My dirty mind originally read this as "but they were caught with their hand in other people's pants".
Damn it I really need to get off the internet for a while...
@@terrypennington2519 Its funny you should mention that because I was initially thinking about using that in place of cookie jar.
In fact it's probably more fitting, considering the violation of privacy.
That's Google's motto.
Developers need to understand that the 88% revenue means nothing if nobody will purchase their game.
@Bárður Joensen My point is that as long as the game is on Steam, people will purchase it on Steam. Maybe there are those 10 people who worship Epic Games and their Launcher but the rest will go with Steam.
But epic already paid them anyway
um i think thats a typo its not a + 88% income. its actually hard to see but its really a - 88% income. as no one will buy it lol
Any company that turns to the chinese spyware launcher is a disgrace to me. I havent opened BitTorrent in ages. Time to change that
I dont plan on playing anything that uses a launcher, this included steam. Much other fun stuff to do
"People hate Epic store only because they're too lazy to install another launcher. "
Yeah, right...
Yarr mate, I'm too lazy to install glorified spyware...
Lack of functionality, personally my steam library spans several devices so being able to use cloud save is a must for me. Community support, group "game" threads and being able to communicate with friends etc. Even origin and GOG galaxy lack a lot of steam features. Steam remains my go to game launcher.
Ironically enough that's just a lazy argument made by retarded people.
No. I don't wanna use Epic Launcher because I don't want Fortnite in my face 24/7.
Had stumbled upon a lot of people with this same mental illness in Yong's previous video. When pointed out the downsides of exclusivity, they be just like "hurr durr but Steam needs competition and this is the only way for Epic to compete". Some people are just not worth the mental strain.
Steam doesn't even need to fight back. Epic Games Store shoot themselves every time.
In the knee, might I add.
Wish they'd shoot me
@@DivinityOfBLaze no me
@@SkinnyBlackout They don't even have a knee left by this one they're just shooting a stump
lmao this is the first argument i've been unable to fight against
Maybe don’t provide a “roadmap”.
Provide a FINISHED PRODUCT.
Steam wasn’t a finished product at launch. Fuck outta here with your hypocritical bs.
@@tahaanzar123 You accusation is pretty hillarious, because there was no standard in place when steam started as a distribution plattform. How is it possible to
determine if a product is finished if there is no other product to compare it to?!
@@tahaanzar123 Wait the pioneer of a type of service wasn't feature complete at launch?!?! REALLY. Wow, that's so surprising, dude with your level of deep thinking you must be some kind of genius.
Maybe EGS can provide transparency? Naw, they are inbred with Chinese state culture of stealing any and all intellectual property and private information.
Reality Check steam had a lot more features than the Epic games store in 2004, the Epic store is a pile of shit
I like how the gaming industry will scream player choice when it comes to gambling but give us no choice where to get our games.
Double standards much ?
If epic had made security priority one from the get go, you would not be hearing so much negativity. For that alone it's going to be quite awhile before epic gets any money from me.
The competition is trying to stir up shit most of those redditors haven't funded the game, also the developer had offered a full refund if funders didnt like epic so that alone can prove my theory.
@AccidentalGenius 7 I feel bad whenever I buy from steam knowing that only less than %69 goes to my favorite developers.
@@ThexXxXxOLOxXxXx
Imagine donation scammers avoiding charges by offering a refund. Your logic is invalid.
A refund does not change the fact that the money was aquired by legally questionable methods.
@@ThexXxXxOLOxXxXx If you bought the same game in a store on a disc your favourite developers would get even less.
I refuse to use Epic no matter how they improve. They've already proven they're willing to be scummy for exclusives and profit. Essentially, a personal permanent boycott.
Same, i used to have the epic launcher for Unreal Tournament 4, but i'd rather ditch unreal then deal with this bullshit
Literally uninstalled it half way through this very video.
I'm with you brah. Not installing any game that uses that launcher, no matter how good it is.
I had a reply planned out in my head, but basically pretty much this.
This video is making me very glad I've been too cautious to try it!
I thought it was a joke when people were saying that Firewalls were blocking the Epic Launcher. After this I wouldn't be surprised if it happens more often now.
After playing Ring Of Elysium, I needed to use ADW Cleaner and Hitman Pro in order to get rid of the adware that the game had installed (presumably by the anti-cheat that's installed after the Steam download). Fuck Epic.
@@KC-bg1th Ring of Elysium doesn't have malware though probably EAC tho
Week9nd epic sucks, but don’t you dare praise steam for being fast. I can’t wait until epic dies and steam starts being scummy and there’s no one around to contest them, then what will you do
@@bigbadleeroybrown5104 I mean, steam has its problems, but speed has never been one of them.
Epic: All your data are belong to us!
@@ImMichaelJohn and Facebook, WhatsApp, Origin...
Over 9000
Could be worse ... wait ...
That's pretty epic.
make your data epic again
"Valve disapproves"
That's probably putting it lightly.
@Fa Mulan Never claimed they were the good guy company, it's just the company that's not totally rotten, there's quite a bit of rot, but atleast the service is good. It's like a motel with cockroaches everywhere but the beds don't squeak and there's free breakfast.
@Fa Mulan I like Valve but were they ever a "good guy"?
I mean compared to a lot of other video game companies they have been very different and still are
Oh no, Valve will probably bring the legal hammer into their skulls and reduce them into oblivion - not only for the sake of "How dare you access our client's private information" but for the sake of eliminating any future competition and complications Epic games can possibly create.
Epic damned themselves on this one, and I for one will sip a martini as I watch them burn in their own Darwinistic behavior.
Gabe; Summon my high priced lawyers! I have work for them.
No company is actually "good" tbh. Besides, "good" is relative.
To sum up Epic's response: "Your privacy is important to us so we collect all your data and put them in a safe place for later"
A nice safe place to make lots of money later on ;)
Unless Tencent decides that they want to make money from the Chinese Government which they have done before. Take a good long hard look at who holds majority shares.
- safe place for later somewhere in china"
Mark Zuckerberg is that you?
@@WastelandWanderer1216
Don't kid yourself, they've already got it.
So, I'd like to point out some things that less tech-savvy people most likely missed, as someone who does have a significant amount of tech know-how. There's two things that jump out at me as being EXTREMELY problematic. Both have to do with the whole localconfig.vdf situation.
First of all, the fact that Tim Sweeney said 'we don't like using APIs' is something that should immediately be a red alarm to anyone tech-y who even knows what an API is. For those who DON'T know, what an API is, here's the basic gist- an API is essentially just an interface third-party programs can use to easily communicate with each other. They have defined protocols that streamline the exchange of information. (This is not to be confused with libraries, which are also mentioned on this subject, and are separate pieces of code used to supplement your own- not wanting to use THEM is completely understandable.)
To put into context what all that means, imagine a piece of Software, let's say Steam, is a big ol' building. It has multiple APIs for various functions; these come in the form of official, protected, monitored entrances that can direct you easily and safely to wherever you need. By saying they 'don't like to use APIs', Tim Sweeney is essentially saying Epic doesn't want to use these official entrances and instead want to use one of the hidden, much less protected and unmonitored maintenance entrances. That sounds a lot like their goal is less communication and more infiltration, doesn't it? Shady as fuck. Now, this could be a miswording on his part, but I HIGHLY doubt it. If it was, we probably wouldn't be seeing localconfig.vdf being accessed at all.
EDIT: A point was made regarding the subject of login tokens, and I ended up deciding to retract this part; it's not likely your Steam account could be compromised (albeit to a limited extent) with the information in localconfig.vdf. I'd still be a bit concerned about OTHER services accessed through the Steam client, but ultimately this point is much less of a big deal than I made it out to be. My apologies.
Needless to say, I've uninstalled the Epic launcher, and you really should too. This shit is shady as fuck.
Yeah, even EA/Respawn use the Steam API for adding Steam friends. The localconfig file has way too much sensitive data to be freely accessed by a third-party! There's a reason Facebook is always updating its API and closing down workarounds people find for it - it's a safety and privacy matter.
Thanks
Uninstalled it,and two games under it just now. Thanks. Spooky sht!
This comment needs more likes.
Always said Epic had bad security. Did not know it would be accessing my files like spyware. Or this. Giving this a like to help boost this to being seen
What's a great way to ensure I never buy your products again, exclusivity on Epic.
Amen. The PC platform has a longstanding tradition of choice, and this is here to stay.
Epic makes me dislike them more and more as time goes on.
My opinion of Epic just got lower. I didn't think that was possible!
Ernest Lemmingway and Epic Games responded with telling you too hold their beer.
Fortnite is bad enough.
*-by making little kids act even more annoying-*
This is what happens when you focus on exclusivity deals instead of improving on your online service, you're not EA epic, you can't afford to be this douchy!
• - VESZTÉSEG - • high schoolers as well.
true man,in my opinion Epic is one of the worst developer ever!!!
To all those game developers and users saying, "It's just another launcher, dude. It'll only take 5 minutes to install, not a big deal." Uh huh, this is why. This is why!
there's also problem of both storage and RAM hemorrhage for all of those background process from launchers
David Tran they’re just dumbasses who refuse to understand why people don’t want this launcher
now, I'm not one of those people, in fact, I decided not to look at metro specifically because I couldn't be bothered to take 5 minutes to download epic, but the rumors didn't start until after the whole "its just another launcher" right? Were they doing shady stuff before that?
@@gavril1436 - Yes, since day one roll out.
Lord Gaben, bring down your hammer and save us from Chinese spyware
Paladin Gabe
Daddy Gabe
Bring us Half-Life 3 too, Lord Gaben.
@@deliveryman7001 not gonna happen. Kim swift went too EA
I’m uninstalling PUBG Mobile and Crossfire Legends right now because it has “Tencent” in it
Seems like Epic went down the drain as soon as they phased out Unreal Tournament.
They announced they were cancelling development on the new Unreal Tournament Alpha (which had been in dev for years) right when they announced their new Epic Games Store. They said development was cancelled so more employees could focus on working on the storefront and Fortnite, lol... pissed me off as a long time Unreal Tournament fan. I often played the Alpha over the years and it was really fun, one of the only modern but old-school style arena shooters left out there. Now every other thing these days is hero-based and/or battle royale it seems... even the latest attempt at Quake they tried to turn into a class/hero-based version of it, sigh (I know Quake is different devs, but I'm just saying in general.)
@@DeathBringer769 agreed. Played UT3 religiously, and tried UT4 a little bit 2 years ago.
Agreed. I'll never forgive them for what they did to UT. It was so close to getting in a good dev stride too, and there was already a skeleton crew working on it. Fucked over all the fans and community that put in countless hours of work into helping them make the game.. and then abandoned it.. Fuck Epic.
TRU Lunchy I liked UT4, but it just felt so unfinished that I lost interest in playing. Quake Champions is free and much much more of a complete game.
And right after Unreal Tournament, it was Paragon which they did the same thing with. I didn't get the chance to check out Unreal Tournament and I'm just as pissed about that as losing Paragon. Mostly because they made promises and took money, up until they canceled and Fortnite was ready for worldwide launch.
However, are the assets released for Unreal Tournament like they were for Paragon? If not, you guys definitely have more to be pissed about. I hope Epic falls hard.
These guys keep on doing shady stuff like they *want* people to see them negatively.
Pretty much, and it seems that train wont be stopping for quite a while
Chinese government loves data, this is no surprise
Well, some people say that marketing is marketing, whether it's good or bad it works each way.
@@alvaro759 that's when you want people to be attracted to your product, not to have your product be attached to plenty of products, it ends up being like colesterol in food
They're part Chinese now, of course they think shady shits would actually fly out here in the West.
Oh look. The spyware is spyware. Which is what we've been saying for a long time.
And the snozberrys taste like snozberrys, nothing new happening here and nothing will change :/
Ikr.
It's no big deal if Mom and daddy buy your system and games and you have nothing important on your computer.
@@robertkubrick3738 You're fucked in the head, obviously, considering you keep reposting this in every comment.
Raycroissant, happens when one is not smart enough to come up with legitimate responses, ever.
If it was only the hashed id of your friends on steam that are to be sent to epic why the hell don't they parse the json files they extracted to keep only that?
And by the way, "we're trying to not use Steam API because of security and privacy" HOW THE HELL are you going to access Steam's database without going through their API....manually?
That's called an SQL injection and is actually illegal since you're accessing data WITHOUT the permission of steam and WITHOUT restrictions and security measures put in place by steam's API.
I have a bad feeling about this...
Also the hypocrisy of talking about valuing security and privacy, then purposefully annihilating your own user's security and privacy by doing deep scans without their permission and taking their data without knowledge or consent, lol. Steam at least asks before doing a hardware scan, or before doing a software scan for already installed games. It's hilarious Epic is lecturing about "oh, privacy and security" when they care about it much less than even Valve/Steam does. It's just bullshit, hypocritical excuses from Epic.
That's not what SQL injection is, and it isn't illegal anyway. If reading data outside of first party API's was illegal then anything non windows reading USB drives would be illegal.
API's are standardized libraries of code for accessing a "design standard and protocol", among other things, but I was thinking more along the lines of accessing the FAT or NTFS file system data. You have, however, indirectly pointed out why not using a certain API is not "SQL injection". The Epic software may not have used Steam's API, but it did use the operating systems API. It's less structured and requires more effort, but it's more flexible. Even the phrase "security measures put in place by steam's API" is nonsense. If your security measures can be bypassed by simply ignoring them, then you have bigger problems. Steam's API isn't a security feature, it's a _convenience_ feature.
"accessing private data of another company's customer without their explicit consent IS illegal" - How so? Illegal where, and under what law? I'm a customer of hundreds of companies, many of whom are privy to the same private data. This is a program that a person willingly runs on their computer accessing a file on their computer that it is allowed to open based on the permissions set by the multitude of security layers that are available to a user to secure access to sensitive data.
How would you even go about writing such a law? Why would you want to? It would make developing software of any kind a legal nightmare and would only hurt free software and smaller shops that lack the legal teams to deal with such a heavy handed law. What you run on your computer is your responsibility, and no others. If you don't want a program accessing a certain file, then you already have the tools to prevent it. Wouldn't you rather use those than hire a lawyer and spend months litigating?
@@michaelkreitzer1369 i'm thinking back to when everyone got mails from everywhere about "we've updated our privacy policies" because of the GDPR that was passed in the EU. maybe the collection of data from people without them knowing it falls under the illegal category?
plus, the only reason people found out about the data collection was when people discovered that their data was being collected, which requires the installation of the software. the way Malware is successful is because a file was downloaded onto the computer and was executed. to my knowledge, the only thing keeping Malware away is knowing what you download, and since MANY downloads on the internet can be faked and presented in a "legit" way, it can fool the unknowing. just look at the countless download buttons there are when browsing Pirate sites. the same goes for anything software related that's harmful to overall security.
a lot of people were fooled into downloading what they thought was a new games platform and later discovered they had downloaded chinese spyware bullshit. you can only prevent a security hazard from entering your system if you know what you're dealing with, and at that point it's a conscious decision and totally on you if you already know the risks associated with it. they target the ignorant because they don't know any better.
All that road map shows is how underdeveloped the epic games store is compared to pretty much every other platform, for crying out loud they don't even have a God dam shopping cart feature!!
Naysayers saying that we are entitled because we want the epic games store to be featured complete think about it this way, would you support a new phone company that just released with all the features iphone had back in 2009 with promises to upgrade it to modern hardware and features over time or would you tell them to get bent and come back later when they get with the times? Now imagine that same phone starts locking down phone carriers like verizon and at&t to exclusively work only on their phone for one year forcing you to use their underdeveloped phone? They would be sued into oblivion in no other industry would this type of exclusivity be tolerated so why do games have to just roll over and deal with it?
No, no one would be fine with it in any other industry. Shit like this is only acceptable in the gaming industry, for some retarded reason :/
Doe this mean Origin is actually better than something?
@Pelican in shit lol i was using the iPhone as an example anyone with a brain knows that apple are a shit tier company at this point the only thing they have going for them is that their pretty,, android is embarrassingly way ahead of the curve you can get a android phone for 500$ that does pretty much everything a 1200$ iPhone does and more.
@@user-zd2kl9yg4v if a resteraunt gives poor service then I simply dont eat there and I tell everyone I can to avoid it so that they can save their money and eat at a restaurant that does, also I've never heard of malls offering review boards or discussions about the stores within but maybe that's why they are all closing down left and right and losing out big time to online competitors who *DO* offer those features, actually now that you mention it review boards in malls sounds like an awesome idea lol
It's very simple offer a decent service that's better than your competitors and people will shop there, try and make your potential customers to shop their by brute force and they will boycott your shop on principle.
Павел Повх Oh you’re a shill everywhere. Sorry you are giving false comparison here.
Philosophically, I'm all for competition in game distribution. This, however, IS NOT competition. It IS cheating, full stop.
I thought that dp was a human banging the desk,
I need to sleep i guess
Competition: "hello there young man, would you care to use our service to download your games instead? We have features they don't!"
Epic: "You want to buy that game you've been waiting years for? Install our service or go away." "Is it better than steam?" "No, it's worse, and by running it, you agree to let us spy on you so we can get data on our competitors and use you as an unwitting pawn in our corporate espionage."
@@raracha thanks, now I can't unsee that.
@@potaterjim Nailed it.
It is called cartel business. Where a few big players try to carve out territories through oligopolistic competition.
"Tracking Pixel" that's a cute name for a data logger
No, it's actually a standardized name/technique for web tracker. So yeah, you're right, except for the "cute name" part. It's actually REALLY standard practice for A LOT of [bad] websites.
@@RKNGL That's not true. You have to work with the facebook api/libraries for it to happen.
I said it before and will say again.. any SELF RESPECTING gamer would avoid Epic like the Plague.. they can have all exclusive they want ... Still a gazillion games to play nowaddays... Supply of games is approaching infinity.. while our time/💰 is nowhere near. Thier loss!
yea i got about 350 games on steam that i have never touched yet. maybe i will check out epic in 15 years when i am done with them. but i doubt they'll still be around.
Oh please. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean others don't lack self respect. So over dramatic.
Any self respecting person should avoid Chinese controlled products at any cost
Just torrent the shit that you'd like to play but is exclusive to Epic. That's what everyone's doing lol.
So essentially you pre-buy A, the manufacturer decides to make B instead and offers you a refund. So essentially the situation turned from crowd-funding into crowd-lending without interest. Legit?
@@user-zd2kl9yg4v The manufacturer accepts bribe from delivery service C, makes A+ and let delivery service C to deliver it, who is stealing data from the customers and the original services. After that, the manufacturer says "sorry, i accepted your money and i used it to make this game, but if you don't like the product or the delivery service i will pay your money back", which is equal to scam people for interest-free loan. That is it for fair competition and customer rights. (Also, i've read your other comments, don't come up with your stupid idea that epic don't steal: an unprotected property is still a property, if someone takes it, it is still a theft.)
@@user-zd2kl9yg4v Do you have anything better to do other than browsing the comments of a several week old video(that you obviously disagree with) and replying to every comment that they are wrong and false? Even if your claims are correct (which I doubt), doesn't change the fact that you have no life.
It's now morally acceptable to pirate anything that is an Epic Store exclusive
Fuck, man, if I were in charge of the U.S., I'd make it legal for a week just to teach Epic a lesson.
I would usually tell people not to pirate, but Epic has revenue guarantees. Basically Epic promises a certain amount of copies will be sold, and if that doesn't happen Epic will make up the difference. So if you pirate any of these exclusive games, don't feel bad for the developers. They get paid by Epic anyways.
Epic Games - Making pirating more convenient for everyone :D
@@DatGrunt IE they are paying for pirated copies
I don't even know where to pirate things anymore since going legit 4 years ago.
GiggleBeard Pirate Bay and utorrent but you need more stuff to use pirate bay
If Borderlands 3 is only available on Epic I won’t be purchasing the game on my PS4 or PC. This needs to stop
Randy Pitchford doesn't deserve your money regardless. As much as I liked Borderlands 1 & 2 (presequel sucked) I refuse to buy another Borderlands game.
TPB is your friend
Epic will never will recover. Just think how many years fans been waiting to only get duped by Epic's store.
The only answer is to support consoles when released.
@@MrAnnoyingFreak or wait for years on Steam.
Back to pirating I guess.
Good job
I already uninstalled the epic store, did that the moment I heard about it.
✌😏 me too!
It's too bad that they got your data anyway after you first connected it.
@@Mephiston 😱 Nooooo! 😊
Same
"Since this issue came to the forefront we're going to fix it"
In other words, they wouldn't have done anything had they not been caught and forced to do so.
Epic fail!
I don't even want their free games anymore, better delete this spyware.
Never even cared for their free games and glad I don't cave to impulse.
Yeah, nothing is ever "free". Instead you have to pay with your Steam account information to get those free games.
Oooooh you traitor! You installed the Spyware. Welcome to China, scrub!
Advice to live by: If it is too good to be true, it probably is.
Very few times I condone anyone to pirate games, but when Epic pulls out this BS all the time, I don't feel regret getting the game that I wanted without using that crappy spyware of a platform
I don't usually condone piracy either, but in this case Epic has revenue guarantees which basically means if a game sells poorly Epic will make up the difference depending on how much revenue Epic guaranteed. So if you want to pirate any of these bullshit exclusive games, go ahead. The developers/publishers get paid anyways. Don't feel bad.
this is why i dont even want to play on pc with all this stuff going on with crappy spyware drm ect
Or buy it on G2A I heard that hurts the publisher.
I disagree; taking something without permission is wrong. Instead of stealing Epic's game[s], just wait. This stuff will come out on different distribution platforms in the fullness of time. It will cost less and be updated too. :-)
Yes, because I wanna wait 1 year until I can play a game, after it's not relevant anymore
This is the reason why people praise Steam and Gaben.
*PRAISE LORD GABEN*
*BUT PLEASE, GABE, FIX THE GAME-REMOVING-ITSELF THING.* And possibly all the other glitches in the meantime...
God save GabeN
I worship Gabe like religion and bowed down to steam.
Oh.. this alone is enough for me to delete my account
ha, tried that one, can't fully delete without some sort of legal counsel
@@crazymic79 well, I told them to delete it (which is done through the contact them part of the help section)
I also honestly uninstalled all the games\apps and the client, and wrote it off as a full lose.
This makes me glad I never downloaded Epic game store.
I'm glad that i deleted my epic account as fast as possible.
Epic Game Store is SHADY AF! Avoid it at all costs.
Only way to play ut4 sadly.
They make shadows look less shady.
I didn't think that was possible, but here we are...
@@automatonm99 you mean that tech demo they abandoned once they became fortnite rich?
@@nickman187 sadly yes, and unreal tournament is a big part of my childhood. So I'm kinda disappointed in them.
@@automatonm99 pirate it
You've heard of broken games pretending to be finished, now get ready for broken game stores pretending to be finished.
Commercial warfare, carried out on the consumers backs. The Epic launcher should be banned in the EU for violating privacy until this behaviour has been corrected.
What do you mean "accuses"?
This is not an allegation, the head dude at Epic confirmed it.
source?
Lars4Street dude... would take you literly 10 sec to google it.
@@Larserr www.reddit.com/r/PhoenixPoint/comments/b0rxdq/epic_game_store_spyware_tracking_and_you/eijlbge/
@@Larserr watch the vid if u dont like reading source above, dumbass
Elvick dude the reddit quotes are literally in the video, wtf
If Borderlands 3 goes into Epic store I shall not support it
noone would :D expect for few idiots, Borderlands is that one series I can play alone for hours without getting bored, so yeah I would not feel bad for pirating it if it will go "Epic" exclusive
I love Borderlands. I will not play Borderlands 3 if it isn't on Steam.
The devs or the publishers would have to be brain dead (or be corrupted with greed) for hearing alot of bad press epic game store and will still make that BS exclusivity store deal just hoping to get more money.
@@zenadvent8122 With Gearbox's track record, I wouldn't be surprised if they took the money and fucked the fans. It wouldn't be the first time and it's not gonna be the last. Also, looks like Epic likes to throw money around because the amounts they are paying are absurdly high. At least we have the high seas, amirite?
So long as its not an exclusive on Epic then I'm fine.
And this is what Jim Sterling is openly defending =\ Thanks Yong
Epic Games Store:*tracks data without you knowing and accesses private info *
User:*finds out*
*User disliked that*
*You’ve been caught lockpicking. The owner is now hostile.*
FO4 references work for every occasion
CHINESE COMMUNIST PRESENCE DETECTED
OVERKILL PROTOCOLLS ENGAGED
Epic Games Store: *picks through system, finds file*
*press A to steal. 50% chance of detection*
Users: Hey, get your hands off me!
*everyone disliked that*
This (stealing data and snooping) is a VERY common practice in china. So much so people I have talked to about it just shrug it off like, "well, its normal, so?" Even things like Flash player (chinese version) will pop up with adds on your screen whenever it likes, other programs and apps (even for phones) just take your information. Since all the competition is blocked In china the people have no choice but to use those apps or programs.
My point? well 40% of Epic is now Chinese, owned by Tencent, a company known (in china at least) for taking users data and turning games into pay to win. I only ever used Epic to play around with the unreal engine but I don't even want that on my computer now.
Nobody should ever want to emulate or be okay with what China does. Them and their companies are utter garbage thieves on every level.
That wechat app is Chinese all seeing eye of zauron
It might be convenient but it's convenient to the communist party as well lol
@@NormanReaddis There was actually a case last year (that has now been mostly swept away from the internet) where the government was able to pull up conversations from a while back, that have been deleted for a while. Wechat always said they didn't keep peoples information but this case proved it all wrong. It didn't matter if you deleted you conversations or not, it was all logged.
I'll stick to Steam, thank you. I'm never supporting those epic rats.
I'm with you there. Steam may have a load of shit covering all the diamonds, its still better then Epic's shitty store.
O.k. now this is epic
Tim Sweeny is a rat faced fuck and a liar and a Hippocrate. Im staying with steam as well.
@@CalienteQuack What does the father of medicine has to do with Tim Sweeny?
Rats? More like parasites, fair competition my ass, lets see how "fair" piracy is with their shitty exclusives. In my eyes, every company that turned to this spyware launcher is a disgrace. Fuck them all to to hell
Steam should sue Epic.
I hope they do so. Also, i hope spyware store goes down
For what?
@@kaylistensmusic Do you even watch the video?
@@kaylistensmusic for stealing private consumer info from steam
They probably wont win if the court is in China.
The Epicgames Store: "Ill be good in a year."
Why couldn't you be good *now?*
If they started last year, they possibly could have. But naw, just buy some one year exclusives and force them to come to us.
It's literally spyware, glad I never installed it.
Some sort of Origin?
I'm uninstalling it right now.
@Brian Gillispie That doesn't make steam itself the spyware though.
Steam only provides you with the option to get certain things, you as a consumer still have to inform yourself whether you want to install something on your system or not.
EGS itself is the spyware in their case.
Uh oh. I did
@@iro6758 Do you even English?
I would love to see Valve pushing for an investigation.
Meanwhile Jim "doxxing is ok if I do it" Sterling endorses Epic because there are games on Steam he doesn't like 👌
I dunno how people support him after that panel with him and adam sessler during the gamer gate times
@@Enclavefakesoldier gamers can be retarded SJWs too. And some still think that he's a consumer advocate for some reason. I dunno how that makes any sense when he literally recommended you use a waaaaaaaaaay shittier service because a game he doesn't like is on Steam. Btw, it's not, but who cares about the details? Pfff
Sebi99p Jim “he’s fat!” Sterling is an idiot.
Do you wanna hear a joke?
Epic Games Store
I do you better
Tencent
Better one: anything related to fortnite
Needless to say, Epic Game Store is a bad joke :D
I'll one better.
Exclusivity deals
I'll do you one better:
Epic itself
Epic game Launcher is Spyware
- END OF STORY -
Epic is a Chinese control brand
-PERIOD-
This is why no matter how many features ill never use Epic or anything with Tencent involved.
@@riven4121 ggg 😭😭
smite a game made by hirez wich made ties with Tencent a while ago was trying to install spyware viruses last update on my pc, like no joke those chinese are up to something.
Btw tencent is involved in uplay ;P
@@jackwilson9468 Fortunately riot keeps tencent out of league on NA and other major regions, but on the Garena server they've literally had bit coin miners in their launcher for years now.
@@Phoenixstorm36 also pubg, activision blizzard.
Valve plz Destroy Epic games with this take them to court!
Side note: i belive the reason for epics data mining is so they can further their anti-consumer library
with more games who has an exclusivity in the future, they are definitely doing this for future paying under the table to other developers
Belgium took a stand against lootboxes, now the EU should unite and fight off this shady business practice and potential violation of data protection and privacy rights enforced by the EU. Petition this crap software to hell and beyond.
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Valve should first stop destroying itself.. before destroying others....Just saying Steam also has it own share of shittyness..epic is not alone..
@@Oscum ofc steam has problems and bad sides, but epic is on a WHOLE nother level
@@swedeonhisway8608 Best thing is stop youtubing/googling about this and that controversy..there will always be something out there .... People start controversies because it garners attention.. these people want their minutes of fame..Nowadays there are controversies for everything out there...Just stop feeding into them and enjoy the game..
@@Oscum i get where you are comming from but i dont belive ignoring it will further the gaming market.
"SINCE this issue came to the forefront we-re going to fix it"
OMG...they are not even ashamed of their theft. they simply admit the fact and say that they'll now going "fix" It.
so glad I never installed their store.
Jeeeeezus christ. Valve might not be able to count to three, but even they're more professional than this.
Your profile picture looks like an OMEGALUL
@@orionl7406 his profile picture looks like he wishes Valve could count to three
I really wish Valve would wake up now, considering their newest game was doomed to fail from the day it was announced.
I'd rather support EA than buy anything that is Epic exclusive. That's how much I think of Epic
Not even EA sunk that low. You can add your Steam friends through a button in Apex Legends and it takes you to a Steam login page. This means that even EA/Respawn used the Steam API.
That is the whole new low. Lol
Atleast EA doesn't give your data to Xi Xinping
Hahaha look at you guys saying dumb things... EA does not even give a shit
@@user-nr6gy5lh6b You mean Winnie the Pooh.
As a gamedev myself, it makes me upset that this is the route that the industry has taken. It's always about how much money you can crank out and almost never about exploring innovative ideas and just having fun with what you create.
I'm glad at least a few people out there are still sane about this Epic store crap. I get that people feel Steam has a monopoly on the market, even if they don't ACTUALLY (because there are quite a few other distributors out there, not to mention any publisher freely able to start their own distro completely independent of Steam, even setting their own exclusivity parameters if they want to).
The simple fact is that Steam built this shit. When people like Tim Sweenie were writing the PC platform off and consoles were taking over the market, Steam more or less single-handedly took up the torch to move PC gaming into the next phase of its life (digital distribution) and to keep it relevant on a larger scale. It obviously worked. Steam has never been perfect and myself and many many other people hated it when it first came out but it has put itself into a solid position as the premiere PC distribution platform from a time when PC gaming was deemed "dead" in many circles.
Now everyone says Steam's greedy for standard profit sharing. Now everyone's saying Steam's a monopoly because people are invested in the platform, even when more and more publishers are branching out to use their own platforms instead of Steam. If you want people to be interested in a new platform you have to give them some reason to be and showing up out of the blue to shove money in developers' faces to force consumers them onto your inferior platform, all the while undercutting consumer confidence at every turn is NOT the way to do it.
It's not a matter of loyalty towards Steam because I never cried for having to download Origin, or Uplay; I buy games on GoG, I've supported developers more directly through various indie projects and what not. I do however respect the fact that Steam played a huge part in helping to build the thriving PC gaming ecosystem we have at this point in time and I kinda resent some other company showing up late to the party and trying to bully their own piece of the pie and dictating how Steam should run their business. Epic had every bit as much of a chance as Steam to get into the market before Steam rose to prominence in it.
TL;DR -- Steam ain't perfect but I'll pass on having Tim Sweeney as my savior from it. He's dishonest, disingenuous and not the sort of person I want to do business with.
But...but...Muh competition!
9:10 *Shows collection of Valve's own games, doesn't include Artifact*
Too soon, too soon.
what's an Artifact? isn't that newage speak for Magic: The Gathering?
thats basically because artifact doesnt exist lol
It's like Voldemort. We all know about it but it's taboo to even mention.
Artifact is shit
Gmod was included instead
"Piracy is a service problem"-Gabe Newell
Amen
More true then thought. Moves like what epics doing is only going to push people to piracy so they can enjoy stuff WITH OUT the security breaches or BS exclusivity.
@@Littlelostdragon Indeed. Hell, with the whole exclusivity thing, piracy is more of a competitor to Epic Games than Steam is. Which is why I'm starting the Snail Mail Boycot. Pirate games exclusive to EGS and snail mail the devs the difference. Especially if you don't live in the US. You wanna be an obnoxious, inconvenient ****, well two can play that game. Have fun tallying this up on your accounting.
Just more validation as to why I won't be using the Epic store. Already uninstalled Fortnite just to get rid of the launcher because I was suspicious of their marketing tactics, with those suspicions now being confirmed. Feels like TenCent is motivating Epic to operate under Chinese-derived data collection policies rather than what the rest of the world considers acceptable.
All valve would have to do is say "only 10% cut from game sales" and no one would remember the Epic store in the same way as no one remembers the Discord store.
At the end of the day I prefer GOG.
Love how I see the discord front page everyday, trying to remind me they are also a store, is forgotten as soon as I switch to any of the chat channel. At least it really isn't intrusive and does its main job correctly enough. They ought to learn from that as the epic store isn't even that good of a store.
I like how Steam never removes anti-consumer features, strictly asks for permission for anything at all, gives frequent sales for my favorite games, never sets exclusivity rights.
"The next big contender for Steam, is Epic Game Store"
Anndddddd it's full of controversy and shady business practices. All Hail Gabe
Even if epic was as good as steam, why would anyone move over? Steam has built a years long relationship with consumers and its interface is intuitive. I can't see how the epic store will ever be more appealing.
@Rambonus Ravager Hail Gaben
@@autistiumhydroxide3614 Plus doesn't help when you're oozing out desperation from "Exclusivity rights"
@Fa Mulan Okay, so tell me what's so good about Epic Game Store that you're such an anti-christ for Valve, that justifies this? Or what's your opinion of a legitimate online platform for gaming purchases, storage, news and updates, reviews, and general community?
@Fa Mulan The golden days of csgo gambling were pretty good, so I don't consider it a fault. With some luck, you could make a few bucks from sites that were dumb enough to allow you to withdraw without depositing any money. And there were a lot of those sites. But I agree woth you overall.
even if the epic launcher was better than steam i would not use it, because of the exclusivity deals they are anti-consumer and i dont want to support it
Epic games store is basically Destiny 2.
They didn't learn anything from previous launchers and they still think they can compete with other services, It's hilarious.
You mean Anthem?
As someone commented on one of Jim Sterling's vids, I much prefer the drunken sheriff approach of steam than the intrusive gestapo way of doing things at Epic
Would like to see a "Stop breaking data protection laws" in their roadmap
Epic Games Store "roadmap" in 4 words: Too little, too late.
The damage has already been done.
I mean, why the fuck did they lauch this early with those BASIC featured not included. And now they are saying ''Oh they are coming in a year''...Fuck that, release a year later WITH those features instead of having people suffer through your bullshit Store by POACHING games, throwing money at those exclusives but not at your DAMN Store from the start.
This is not a god damn Kickstarter project.
@@ImMichaelJohn the office lol
You guys do realize that steams been out for 16 years right? Theyre trying to come out with most of their features in 6 months, cut them a break
@@deerby1500 More relevantly, Steam came out 16 years ago. If Epic wants to compete with Valve, they need to produce a product that is competitive now rather than one which would have been competitive over a decade and a half ago.
It should be a red flag that Epic released a currently inferior launcher, proceeded to aggressively make games exclusive to their store and then being neglectful about privacy. They appear not to be the welcome competition to Steam, but rather a half baked exercise in haste and greed. I hope they succeed and develop into something worthwhile, but some of it smacks of certain other companies of late far too eager to lock in customers without having a viable product to sell. The excuse of "Well, it's early days, give them a chance" needs to be reigned in if you're spending £60+ on software. It works for some titles, but rarely for all.
I just see them taking people's loyalty as being suckers frankly.
Can't wait for the first Epic games store exclusive to be announced live on stage in front of a crowd...
lol, it's gonna be Diablo immortal all over again.
Dont you guys have *sEcuRE PErSonAl dAtA?*
@@brosephnoonan223
Hehehe, can't wait for that humiliation to happen to more greedy games companies.
"Since this issue came to the forefront we're going to fix it." -Epic
Annnd with that I'm never touching the Epic Store. Shame, I wanted a proper counter part to Steam because the other options just don't cut it but this is beyond the pale. This is disgusting and predatory.
I use console, so I don't really have a dog in this fight, but isn't good old games considered a decent alternative to steam that so far *hasn't* been caught stealing user data? Might be something to think about.
Try gog
Why do you need a Steam competitor? They are easily the best store front on PC. IF all the greedy as devs are ready to switch to Epic, it should make anyone weary. Using the extra money to make a better game is the most BS cover I've ever heard.
Epic Store was never an option, it was a attempt to take games made by other publishers and lock it to a single location so they run the entire market; it's like consoles but worse because it can run on any other program just fine. Meanwhile you have Steam which is happy to share, put things constantly on sale, has reviews and doesn't try to ruin PC gaming for everyone else. This whole Epic Store is a giant scam disguised as a Steam competitor.
@@extraordinarilybasic3250 Competition is (usually) great for capitalism. The hope is that with competition the businesses will try to better their tech and products and at lower price then their competition. No competition than there's less innovation and sells since there isn't an incentive to do so.
Epic deserves do go bankrupt.
They don't give a crap about us, I don't give a crap about them.
Screw Epic.
Miss when the made unreal tournament.
They do. They make damn good games. Not so much Bethesda
Amen brother
Sounds like EA all over again.
Just imagine Epic getting data from computers in LAN shops..with multiple different users logging in to Steam with the Epic launcher installed.
About the "Roadmap" bit, don't believe anything about it. Epic is notorious for creating roadmap tasks (on their trello), and then they just let them sit there for years.
You can look at the Trello for the Unreal Engine 4, the trello is full of tasks that are many years old and are clearly abandoned, and they just keep adding things to it (usually what's "hype" right now, like VR, or what will please their big industry customers).
All those cool features they are "planning" are likely just in there as marketing PR, to make the launcher look better than what it is. I wouldn't be surprised if not even half of that is going to be implemented in 2 - 3 years, based on how long it takes them to implement crucial features into their engine or marketplace (e.g. security features, or basic search features).
Exactly.
i hope Valve sues Epic Into Oblivion.
Probably will and I hope Epic gets fined for violating European law.
@@GeraltofRivia22 The German Consumer Protection Authority will likely get involved like they did with Nintendo, which means Epic Games is gonna be in deep shit when it comes to the EU.
So happy I don't have the epic launcher installed. I don't trust them and I don't think I will ever use there service. Also any dev that doesn't have user reviews cant be trusted and I wont be buying there game.
"We got caught so we'll fix it now." 😂😂😂
Yeah I was going to buy Satisfactory, but after this I won't ever install the epic launcher.
If you truly want to play it, just pirate it mate. The devs and epic do not deserve your hard earned money.
It's a shame because Satisfactory is a good game and Coffee Stain have been fairly reputable until now. Epic must be paying real good dollar for so many companies to betray all their values like this...
It'll be out on Steam later. I'd just wait since it's gonna be in early access for a while, so by waiting you get a better product and on steam.
I was interested in this game as well, the moment it went exclusive i lost all interest.
THAT GAME IS ALSO TENCENT EXCLUSIVE!?
Fucking hell. I had hopes for it to become sci-fi Factorio. Now those hopes are going down the drain together with tencent spyware.
Invading privacy is all time low for any gaming company. Unbelievable
*Chinese Government would like to disagree*
I'm guessing you were born yesterday to say such so confidently.
Meanwhile FB has been selling data for a near decade.
They call that Tuesday in China.
at this point you have facebook, google, apple, epic, tencent, US gov, China gov.... etc etc etc selling buying spying on your data... doesn't really matter anymore... but funny how everyone shits on the chinese government when the US government has been doing it way longer and ACTUALLY got caught doing it
It's pretty clear why they are securing exclusive games for themselves. Their actual store is barebones early access and there's zero reason to use it. So they are trying to force everybody to use it. Such heavy handed approach might work in a short run, but every game they take away is another bunch of people swearing to boycott them and the publishers going along with this nonsense.
Things like this are exactly why piracy exists. If you don't want people to buy your games and make it harder for the people who do, then they won't buy them...
"Piracy is a service problem; not a price problem" - GabeN
That makes a lot of sense who knew
The Chinese are known for making things really cheap since all companies are connected to the government. That's how they reach their tentacles out, and the US companies are all too willing to toss peasants to the side for money.
And if you pirate games, they'll go broke and there will be nothing to compete with Steam. You'll also miss out on future games from the same company.
@@hariman7727 What do you mean more Fortnite its okay I can live without it since they killed off Unreal Tournament anyways
One of my friends's Epic account got hijacked recently. Definitely fishy stuff going on with Epic, lol
Did he/she managed to get it back and delete/uninstall Epic launcer?
My friends did too!!
He managed to re-secure his account and change his password. Though he insists on keeping the launcher still. After this incident I was skeptic on keeping the launcher myself, and after this video, decided to just uninstall.
@@buyanothergame8100 good call
About a year ago, someone managed to access their (Epic) un-encrypted user database. I had to call my bank, and tell them to cancel my CC, as I did not buy the 6 copies of the "founders edition" someone charged on it. I googled it, I am by far not the only person to have this issue, either. I really hope they have better security these days, but I somehow doubt it.
I buy games on GOG whenever I can.
DRMs should be a thing of the past in the modern age of digital distribution and seasonal sales.
When you buy a game on Steam you can request the CD-key and enter that on GOG. You'll have the game on both platforms.
I hope Valve sues and destroy Epic they aren`t good competition they are just bringing garbage console wars to PC with a worst service than anything avaliable on PC including EA Origin.
well, one thing about epic, is epic, they managed to make a worse launcher than origin.
but never will they defeat the bethesda launcher, that thing is devil tier. that horsedung can't even remember my login data for a week...
It takes real effort and skill to be worse than origin.
I Think Epic Will be Fucked for the competition,they already have problems with Steam and don't forget about Respawn and Apex...
@Bostan Liviu how the heck is a development studio under EA's umbrella gonna defeat EA?
I still remember how many people actually hailed the Epic Store as the savior gaming needed to break from our Valve overlord. Where are you now, Epic´s apologists :) ??
Oh yeah they are still around. Argued with one recently myself. They still think that competition is good and call anyone who hates EPIC, Valve fanboys... I even pointed out that if all EPIC did was make games exclusive, Steam would just have to do the same. I mean if EPIC cant compete on a feature/platform playing field I have no idea why those ignorant fucks think Steam needs to improve their features/platform. Damn, consumers are stupid.
Miguel Lemir the only thing I wanted was epic to put pressure on valve so that they make games again and not shitty card ones. I just want them to stop being lazy and make some good games again
All hail gaben
@@ThatMetroMania Exactly, that's rational. What's irrational is people claiming that the Epic launcher is better than Steam.
@@pagatryx5451 lol thats the same argument I keep using and I never get a response.
"Epic needs exclusives to compete with Steam to topple their monopoly and force them to improve"
"But if Epic buys exclusives, all Steam would be incentivised to do is to also buy exclusives and neither launcher would improve"
radio silence
6 months to get a shopping cart feature. This couldn’t be more of a joke if they tried.
There's still no search box feature btw
@@LogandiSFM Maybe launching a store as a Beta wasn't a good idea afterall.
When something is free, it's you being sold.
Epic can improve their store to be the best option. I will still refuse to download it because it's spyware.
+1
Wait an exec at epic games is called Daniel Vogel, like Dane Vogel the evil CEO from saints row 2?
itaybron Hey Mr. Vogel is a nice man so long as his revenue is still up 30% this quarter!
We Red Faction now
"We missed it?" "Told ya, now pay up."
Lol, Mr Vogel sitting at the decision making table at epic would explain all the shady and anti consumer crap Epic has been pulling lately.
Epic isn't as powerful as Ultor was but they sure are playing all their dirty cards trying to get up there.
Coincidence I THINK NOT
And then you have shills who keep going "It's just another launcher, you must get it and stop complaining"
I like how Randy Pitchford asked about the mentality, then ended with "Im a customer on a lot of different PC platforms."
Amazing.
PC gaming is suppose to be Free from lockouts What sorcery is this..i got too many clients already
Get fucked
That mentality ended when Steam became a thing.
Now everyone is starting to pay for it.
Mobile phones and social media is going through the same thing.
Add current service login to another service login. You just got duped. You are now willing to share personal data with another company.
@@legendarymooseman Were you responding to a comment that got deleted, or are you just being shit?
@@kelp7060 oh okay, ya jizz blanket
I honestly think that Valve should sue Epic into oblivion for this data privacy breach. Epic has gotten too big for its boots and needs to be taught a lesson. Though they have a lot of money from Fortnite, Epic vs Valve is still pretty much Krillin vs Goku
We talking pre-DBZ Krillin?
Ahahaha this dude really have no idea what he's talking about 😂😂😂😂 lmaooo
Dude, Epic has a ton of money. But it's not just from Fortnite - you realize their Unreal Engine has been a major industry standard for about two decades now? Valve and Epic could battle it out in court, but I doubt any of those two companies would feel the costs of such battle.
Ryley Benson
Valve will kick their asses...
After they finish hl3
@@tyrus1235 and what will happen when the next engine comes rolling about eh? That golden duck cannot last forever
Epic Games' privacy policy in a nutshell: "Privacy?"
Discords gamestore is a better competitor to Steam lol,they don't pull scummy tactics
Looks like I am going to be freeing up some space on my hard drive
I just unistalled fortnite and the epic launcher
Strtfghtr88 hey quick question. Did you delete your account and the launcher or did you just delete the launcher? Cause I’m debating on deleting the launcher and just keeping my account.
I kept mine and unlinked my accounts
@@Alex-qy4mi I still have my account but now that you mentioned it, im thinking of deleting that too. Just deleted the launcher so far
Strtfghtr88 I keep going back and forth on if I want to delete my account. If I decide I’ll never use it again (most likely) I’ll probably delete it but I’ve kept it intact for now
I would not be happy with another company looking at my details on another app. Who knows what else they might be looking at? Being all secretive and shit. Stayin well away from EGS.
Are you on windows?
They might find your 93 gb "Homework" folder
@@fraserdowd6552 Exactly m8.
@@alexalex4041 Yh
I was all for the epic games store until now. Hell, I was actually going to buy metro. Not anymore. I'm not going anywhere near a store that seals information.