World in Action: Banged Up (1979)
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Originally broadcast on 2nd April 1979, this episode of World in Action documents the poor conditions and overcrowding in Manchester's Strangeways Prison.
The Prisoner Solidarity Network is a group of people committed to dismantling the criminal justice system and building a society based on collective care. Our members include people inside and outside of prisons. Some of us are ex-prisoners and some are children, partners, or friends of people inside. Many of us are survivors of interpersonal and state violence. Some of us come to this work through our values rather than direct experience of the prison system.
We want to build a society where conflicts can be resolved without resorting to imprisonment and punishment, where our relationships with each other are not shaped by capitalism and where we are not divided by race, class, or gender.
Still one of the best musical intros of any programme on TV ever..
Weekend World?
Absolutely ! The extended version is even better
It's a very good tune that suits these documentarys when you hear it you know it's worth watching
Yes, I was thinking the same 👍
World In Action - A Proper Documentary - unlike Love Island, Wife Swap, Big Brother, First Dates, etc.........
bloody hell you're observant aren't you?!
The others aren't documentary tho. But yeah they don't make TV like they used to.
I like First Dates. Agree with comment above though that these are more reality tv/entertainment rather than serious documentaries and I think most people recognise that. You can still find pretty good documentaries though they’re usually on Netflix or the like these days.
Is that all what ya missis makes you watch so you come on RUclips to see what prisons where like before and now before you strangle her to death 😂
AMEN 🙌🏻
It's incredible to believe that ITV used to show serious documentaries. This went out at 8pm. It was stopped in 1998 when ITV bosses realised they could show a soap opera, quiz or reality show instead
A lot cheaper to do and less controversial. It appears to people who have been denied a proper education.
These are the programmes we grew up watching…
Real journalism.
The difference in prisoners and prisons these days after 40 years is unreal !
I went 3 times around year 2000 , I was good got everything, good environment , it’s gone bad now I have heard Al never go back
@@kingkong81icloud me too, 1997 and 2000 and prison was very similar to this. Apart from slop out.
So is our poor old land
@@matthewjdouglas6471no it was not 97 and 2000 like that lying 🤥
This theme music always makes me sad. Even as a kid
Why sad ???
Me too!
You knew as soon as the music started you were going to see a real programme,My go i'm getting old
Some well spoken prisoners here. Now you have 'street speak', rapping, spice, mobile phones........
I hate them Road man and how they talk! "you get me cuz say no more"! This is where criminals were different but now they all listen to that shite music Drill or Grime Green house or whatever it's called and they think they are gangsters. 🇬🇧
Back when tv programmes were worth watching.
I remember getting 6 weeks remand in 1976 and living these conditions i was so shocked by the regime that i never got in trouble again.
So it worked then
I only did 1 week remand in 1996 and the conditions were exactly the same as in this film. A real eye opener. I never got in trouble again either.
@@jinxterx23 hours a day in an overcrowded cell ffs, I couldn’t imagine lasting 23mins. I remember a friend and family member being out into care home aged 8 and 10 and it waking them and me up… at least to think a bit more, be more careful and do a lot less crime. I’ve never done time.
They should show this too youngsters who start going off the rails.
@@seltaeb9691 if you wanted to show youngsters what prison was like it would make more sense to show them something that reflects how bad prison is today especially those prisons for young offenders.
That intro wow nostalgia
I was born in 77 but that theme tune is seared into my brain.
Powerful.
Goosebumps
You know it's serious when you hear that music..
£100 a week for 70 hours. In 1979 I was taking home £27.50 a week for a 40 hour week
Doing what??? I was earning over £60 a week as a new entrant in an office in 1979. The average wage in October 1978 was £84 per week
YTS course 1984 £25 p/w 40 hours
I. Was. Taking home. £80.00 a. Week. On. The. Cards, as. A. Bricklayer.
£14 per week supplementary😊 benefit (what became income support later in decade) for 16 year olds when i left school in 1981
Ffs £100 pw! I was on nearly £250 pw before tax scaffolding in 1981.
One thing I notice when I watch these old documentaries is there was no Obesity problem back in them days no overweight people I know it sounds crazy but it's true everyone is slim and slender 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Started my prison service career at Manchester in the 70s, quite an experience and not one I’ll forget
@screaming skull Well someone has to keep the scum off the streets!
@screaming skull Don't hate.
Eh screaming skull....I'm an ex con (fully rehabilitated) & that attitude against an ex screw is outa order, he may have been one of the good ones! More respect in a shit world please....
@@ThePacko69 cheers- did 30 years, never assaulted, most have been doing something right- good that you got your life together
My dad was a prison officer there.He started in late 79.
Terry Bond (the officer followed here) died in May 2024 seemingly in his mid-seventies.
He joined the Prison Service in 1974, enjoyed a prestigious career and received decoration for his service. He also rose through the ranks of the POA (a prison officers' union).
I visited my dad strangeways. I remember those big doors, army material uniforms, striped shirts and boots. I was told my dad was in hospital but even at 8 years of age I knew that wasn’t true.
Even the theme is great.
The days when prisoners could string a sentence together.
Because prisoners back then were mainly english.
@@bosiexinit bruv😂
Three in a cell? Think of all the submariners stuffed into uboats during WWII!
That's different, you can move around a submarine and don't have to be in the same place all day, a submarine does confine people but not like a prison.
I remember watching this. First time around.
Still as fucking bleak.
And ten years after this in Durham we had 4 up in a single cell still banged up 23/7 and slopping out 4 times a day and the authorities couldn't understand why the riots happened
I can. see above comment.
Luxury!
World in action is a very good crew who go out and collect their information and then they lst us all watch it ,
And they did it when things were in tight and people were being pushed away from what they were intiteled to,
These people went tru hell and back by English government
World in action is one of the best documentarys ever
Any one still live from this programme
If you closed your eyes and just listened to the opening words it could so easily sound like this was made in 2024. Just shows they were having the same issues 45 years ago
Back in the old days, could you borrow a radio from the prison. Is it true radios couldnt have fm, only am mw.
This documentary popped up on my feed as a random.
I remember watching it at the time and wondering if much had changed today for either prisoners or officers, given governments repeatedly harp on about the same issues today.
Good 👍 documentary
I watched a programme called Porridge on tv as a kid. It put me off a life of crime.
Seeing this programme.....it makes u realise it was pretty realistic!.....apart from the comedy aspect. Prisons now are relatively soft apart from the risk of random assault by some thug having a bad day
Im watching you fletcher. And you young godber
Not a foreigner in sight, crazy!
cramming 3 blokes into a small space is torture unless they are nonces or murderers.
Or gays..
murderers commonly get a single as obviously they are doing a long sentence. Or get carted off to Broadmoor or Rampton because they cant deal with the prison regime and get nutted off. Nonces usually go on the numbers. A protection wing away from the main body of prisoners for there own safety.
Or bummer boys
@leevancleef451What is wrong with gay people ?
@@kevphillips02 Everything, Its not normal is it to put your cock up another mans asshole. 🤢🤮
Fill it up with illegal immigrants, places like this is where they should come not in a 4 star bloody hotel etc
Agree and throw away the key
WIA was perhaps the best current affairs documentary ever produced. Fearless reporting with no bias, playing all sides of the story.
Also, 18:14, tell me you’re a sadistic ex army type with a taste for swinging the baton without telling me you’re a sadistic ex army type with a taste for swinging the baton.
That feckin screw geezer with the tash saying they are all volunteers. Well no one volunteers to be treated inhumanely, in inhumane conditions with without proper sanitation, what a prize kin hamshanker.
I was in the army in the 70s & you could say it was an austere open prison. I could adjust to prison life with all its strickness & in my barracks room with 6-8 muckers each had a bed, locker, chair & light. It felt like a prison which it was. Slopping out might grate a tad.
Only three to a cell? Luxury. When I were banged up, there were 15 of us, with just one bread roll to share each week.
Eye trying telling that to the young folk
You lucky barstard
Well of course we had it tough, 150 of us in one pad with only a grain of rice between us, even the rats moved out 😜
12 years later the boys ripped the fucking roof off the place 🎉
This is how prisons should be not like now. No punishment at all!
Looking at the intro reel,nothings changed in the last 45 yrs !
4737 Carlin Sir?
Where's your fucking tool?
Shit witness
done dc meself.
It was crap.
Prison was. Hard. Then. U. Can tell. What. A. Jail. Is. Like. When u. Arrive.. Bye. The. Tension in the. Air.
I've done a lot of work with ex-prisoners and the idea that prisons today are cushy is a myth. They are horrible nasty places, filled with horrible nasty people. One of the stranger facts is that murderers are usually the quietest bunch in the prison. One thing though about prisoners, give them a yard and they'll take a mile... Give them two hours socialisation they'll want six hours.
Yes I'm a fully rehabilitated ex con & your right murderers are quieter, probably because there on enhanced status & just want a quieter life tbh
@@ThePacko69 I'm glad to hear you have got your life back on track... I was told that a lot of the inmates that have committed murder were so shocked by their actions in taking a life that the last thing they want to do is to make more trouble for themselves...
You find with most convicted murderers, once sentences they go through a grieving process & some kick off & go loopy!
I served 15 years of a life sentence and some of the woman murders I was locked up with was loud and nasty only the older lifers was quite. Take a look at bullwood Hall the real bad girls to find out.
And it's still the same today in most prisons
That screw with the moustache “ everyone is a volunteer “,definitely a bully boy,would not look out of place as a SS officer back n the day.Exactly how I remember prison in the 70s
That’s exactly what I was thinking.
I will 2nd that …..what a little shit Tache was
Agree, I bet he was violent towards prisoners for the slightest breach of the Nazi regime
Typically ex military type...bully boy
By all accounts that screw with the grey mullet of hair & Hitler style tash was known as 'Bootsie'... as he wore ammunition boots with metal studs in the soles. No points for guessing what he used those for on some of the 'volunteers'.
Didn’t know bricktop was a governor of strange ways before acting. 😂
Prison populaion in Britain in 1979: 42,000
At the most recent estimate, the prison population in England and Wales is projected to grow to between 93,000 and 106,000 by 2027 - more if you add Scotland.
And costing approximately £50,000 per prisoner p.a.
Thanks for the info. Polticians/Daily Mail/ the Scum love the Law n Order rabble rousing
It's for profit thsts why.
A brilliant current affairs programme that is now gone to be replaced by complete shite.
That would crack me up after a day, living with 3 men in a tiny room,
2024 if the public knew what went on in there now the shit would hit the fan .
Holiday czmp
Fascinating watch, especially knowing what happened 10 years later. Similar, or worse, conditions in prisons right now with the COVID lockdowns still very much in effect inside. I'm hearing of protests inside Whitemoor and Belmarsh. Solidarity to all incarcerated people x
(Pseudonym) A violent, oppressive hell hole. There was a constant threat of violence from inmates and staff. I spent my first night there aged 15 in 1976, waiting for Borstal, returned a couple of times on other YP sentences. It helped to make me a very angry and aggressive man, then many years in jail. I have been free nearly 24 years. Prisons and staff have gone the opposite way, the new type of inmate is worse. I see now that a certain amount of fear of violence was necessary for control, some staff were just monsters. This new type of criminal needs to feel real pain.
Exactly, fight fire with fire!!
Thanks for sharing 🙏🙏🙏👍👍
that's propper prison one of them cunt screws looked like macki out of porridge looks a grim hole then thanks for sharing
"This new type of criminal needs to feel real pain" - ABSOLUTE NONSENSE!!! You know damn well how you felt when you'd been on the receiving end of a beating: YOU THEN FELT MORE RESENTFUL, & YOU WOULD THEN TAKE THAT FEELING OUT ON THE NEXT PERSON WHO IRRITATED YOU WITH THEIR BEHAVIOUR. Your perception of strangeways is SPOT ON! YOUR TIME, THERE, TAUGHT YOU ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!!!!!
@@SiLoJayLo Yes, there is contradiction in what I say. I despise todays mini gangsters who have no fear of consequences, because there are no serious consequences. Feral gangs roam Bradford with impunity. Society needs to dish out harsh responses or things will only get worse. I watched a video on todays jails. Incredibly, this idiot took himself hostage in his cell and threatened to cut himself. In the old days they would have laughed at him and said 'Get on with it' They treat it like he was going to injure someone else. A team, fully riot kitted, messed about for ages before going in and taking the tiny item off him. Laughable.
They should of kept prisons like this.
The Bay city rollers banged up?
This is EXACTLY how prison should be now!
9:01 Scouse inmate asks if there's any work today. Looks gutted there is none but he's hiding his euphoria 😅
Where’s all the play stations
Born in 78...the title of this show was scary
well now there is over 80.000 locked up today
Even the criminals seem like nicer people back then - You would think bit by bit the country/world would improve but it just gets worse - I guess it must have peaked at some point maybe in the 50s just before my time
An inflation rate of 4.19% per year means £100 in 1979 is worth £634.07 in 2024, 33k pa. The average salary for Prison Officer in 2024 is £33,370 per year. so it hasnt changed, apart from its now better conditions and also the 70 hour week has now been cut in half with the same wage so overtime will increase the wage value.
Surprise, surprise, 11 years later there was the longest prison riot in British penal history at Strangeways.
This is how our current Tory government would treat people today if they thought they could get away with it.
This is how the Tories do treat people, and most can not see it.
You mean instead of giving them the holiday camps they get now?
Hope so
I totally agree
My dad was going to be a prison officer years ago he paased all the training and everything my dad is only 5ft 6in
Joe cavanagh from Liverpool the legend he is one of the most respected fellas u could meet and loved Joe the butt
Harry Grout wing ?
All these guys needed was a smart phone.
2024 what has changed apart from now having inexperinced prison staff prisoner still on 23 hour lock down
On remand I preferred the block ..single cell ...after conviction single cell ...
Poor Oscar Wilde, locked up for two years in Reading gaol 😬
I saw The Syrup on the landing at 4.58 😂
Punishment was the still the norm not rehabilitation.
" Collars down hands out ur pockets & keep to the left "
That place was due a riot long time ago shocking
Nothing really changed however. If you’ve committed a crime do you still have the right you’ve deprived others of? It’s punishment isn’t it?
I bet they had a shock when they relize its not like that comedy program
Porridge,,,, eh where the mr braclough guy
Most of these prisoners would be in there 70s today
3 up..Was bad enough when it was 2 up. 23 hour bang up in Brixton. 3 up.. jesus.
You did tge crime. Do the time. Lol
The more things change the more they stay the same
Did I just see Charlie chuck
All seem decent enough guys - Some of the officers seem more unlikable than any of the criminals we have been showed - Kinda ironic
Very grim
My father god rest him was in hmp strangsways the time ov dis 1979 untill 1990 i was only born when he got his 20 yrs 4a few armed robbers comeing from london my dad was a hand full in hmp wormwood scurds so he shipped him up north my mum use 2 bring me an my twin sister on the train up 2 manchseter once a month. I remenber him when i was about 9 in the visiting box then the long jounrey back 2 london he got out promeing my mum he woulnd go back 5 yrs later he was banged up again for 11 yrs dis time he done his bird in hmp wonsworth and hmp Dartmoor
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In prison today it's mostly the same, there is no rehabilitation in prison only drugs, violence, and a lot of mentally ill men and women and it will only get worse, and just the same thing 10 yrs from now😮
Civil prisoners get say 3mth and still must pay for debts 😐
Enquire expected to close in 5 years time.
norman brown .and his screws wer b..........s...
Yes.... kin square specs had his bunch of henchmen who ran their own little 'firm' in there... especially the ones that worked down the block on D wing!.
TBF the guvnor here is enlightened and sensitive to the reality of HMP Strangeways. Hope he retired before the later riots
23 hrs 😮😮
if you cant do the time, then dont do the crime
Pooping in a bucket. Holy crap
Many shat in newspaper, shirt, piece of a sheet or whatever could be utilised, and threw it out of the window, as I did. Many is the time that one had whistled threw the air during exercise, landing in the circles.
wrapped in newspaper. packet, throw it out the window.
The prisons have come a long way since the sixties and " 3 days on 3 days off" days. I spent time in every London Prison. Being a convicted prisoner is generally better as you can work and get out your cell. Remand prisoners are banged up all day. Being in a single cell was better not having to share with 2 others gave you privacy. They never put 2 in a cell only 1,3 some had rarely 4. When that door was shut after you got your tea that was it unless you were dying and you pressed the bell. So if you needed to use the toilet. Tough. You had a pot each to piss in but if you needed a shit and couldn't hold on you did it on newspaper made a parcel and threw it out the window. These "Shit Parcels" were then picked up the following morning by other inmates who were in the " Chief Officers party" Not the sort of party I go to. Yes prisons have come a long way since my days in the late sixties and seventies. Those who don't know what " 3 days on 3 days off" means its punishment. Bread and Water diet. Prisoners today don't realise how easy they have it. Toilet in their cell, TV, radio and kettle.
We used to call the shit parcel collectors 'The Wombel's' when I got locked up early in life in the 80's. How times have changed in the UK.
Cor I remember the education welfare officer of Bromley council showing me this at the Chislehurst offices, he also gave me the speech seen in Made in Britain (police and social work casefiles of mine used in writing through me mother lol) and he predicted if I didn't buckle down I would be banged up... well '81 he came good on his promise and I entered into the secure unit merry go round before them finding me a place I couldn't escape from, where the screws were hard bastards who just loved fighting and you were transported like Russian prisoners trussed with handcuffs everywhere... 2 years in that hellhole before migrating to the attached open houses, 3 years but it did keep me on the straight check out Every Mother's Son - Channel 4 20/20 Vision Jan 1984... that was me hehehe Me mum was the journalist some of the old lags might have good cause to remember as she did outreach work for her newspaper working with the lifers in secure prisons, she even put in a very good word for John McVicar to get his job at the Mirror, had lunch with him once with me mum hoping for him to scare me straight but I was on my own runaway train to hell and even a hard man like John wasn't going to stop that train.
23 hours day!!
Anyone think the government cared about prison conditions then.
Couldn't give a dam if you died.
Boarstal was worse
Mopping floor on hands and knees lol with what's happening now in UK these times was king 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
There's still no socks in the ways and one time in the showers someone nicked my boxers ahaha no shit its a desperate joint strangeways
Terry was always jealous of his brother James…..
SOME BRUTAL SCREWS IN THERE BUT ALSO SOME WHO RALLY GAV A SHIT
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time