I have read your book and applied so many things in my horse training and general communication with young horses for initial training. Many things fit so well (I live in Iceland so the horses I take in at 4 are mostly unhandled amd been with a big herd for the first 4 years of their life). I really apprciate you. But some things are over complicated in your videos too many horses and people. I think it would be more helpful to see a video human to horse for ex an untrained horsw. Like a 1:1. Its so much info in these videos. Also and I hope you enlighten me. But how do you know the stuff you say when speaking for a horse? For ex disregulated behaviour etc. Is it not just a fancy word for Jagger being a type thats worse at communication and a bit of a trouble maker. I have horses in herds that are constantly making trouble. Some never seem to learn so I dont know how I as a human can read that. For ex I notice a herd difficult in a herd will not respond well with horse speak in training. Then a more conventional trainer comes and does a few things and the horse responds immediately even if the method (in my eyes today) is as if its a bullying horse talking with the exception the horse (trainer in this case) praises the horse when it does what the bullier wants. It makes me wonder if some horses simply need "man speak" to thrive or learn. Like the herd gave up but man gives the horse the attention it seeks as well as even stricter rules. And i mean thrives,,as in I can see the horse is happier and yes I definitely know the difference. Also sometimes you put words in the horses mouths like"I feel good I am ready to go" looks like to me "this is boring can we go out again we understand the lesson already?" 😂 Sorry mean no disrespect but I just think sometimes horses are slightly annoyed and have in their minds "beyter things to do". My mentor horse feels like that he'll say in my mind "okay that was good you did well now we are done lets go" 😅
Thank you for this video its full of knowledge. I will listen a few times to soak it in. Ive recently discovered you both. I have a question, how would you go about making sure your horse does not run over you? Due to them spooking or getting a fright? Thank you in advance
Thank you for this question, as it's a popular one. If your horse is reactive a lot, this typically means that the horse does not feel safe or protected in its environment. There are many details to help you with this question. We have a webinar called the Power of the Pattern on our site, www.horsespeakacademy.com, that can help you make your horse feel safer by creating a predictable pattern with them and also understand how they see their environment, where the spooky spots are, and where they feel safe. You can email us at info@horsespeakacademy.com if you have questions or need further assistance.
Oo another question. Laura when you referred to Jag wanting her to feel safe confortable and connected to you, you said you would do one round of cones with her, did you mean you both walk around all cones together with the lead rope on? And if so do you stop at any just walk past them. Thank you
If you are starting out walking the cones - you can start at each one or plan on stopping at every other one. We will do one complete circle with her and then take her to the middle, where we have a 55-gallon barrel, and brush her because she finds brushing as a reward.
Hi, new to your channel. Thanks for all the behavioral information. Very valuable. One thing I wanted to mention in regards to Jagger's bully behavior. I watched what was going on prior to the behavior and saw that Rocky was being brushed in the back area when Luna seemed to push in between. Rocky even looks back since the brushing stopped and Luna was in between. I couldn't tell if Luna was wanting to be brushed also or wanted to stop the brushing on Rocky. Jagger was noticing Luna pushing in between and came up on the other side. So was Jagger really bullying due to stress or was Jagger giving Luna a lesson not to take the attention Rocky was supposed to get? I would love to know if you see this behavior too? It looks like to me Rocky is very grounded and peaceful and would not fight back for the attention. Jagger may have been putting Luna in her place.
Hi - thank you for your comment and questions concerning the video. Jagger does have inner stress and she displaces her stress onto Luna due to the role in the herd of each horse. Jagger is also moving Luna because Jagger values comfort and connection from humans and does not want Luna to get a turn. Rocky is the protector/mentor of the herd and no one moves him and in fact Mommy too because of their roles. Jagger and Luna behave like sisters, and they bicker similarly to human sisters. Typically, from a Horse Speak perspective, any Bully behavior stems from inner stress from physical or emotional challenges. Thank you and have a great day!
So interesting 17:20 here you see a horse sending a horse to the outside which is rude (Jagger). (I am not surprised to hear Jagger is klicker trained she has I want food tension and is expecting rewards from the humans, please dont klicker train and expect to also communicate wiith body language) I think its very important to realize that as horses are running together in high energy surroundings they WILL fight to be on the inside. Never confuse the 2. Walking calmly and being on the outside is a good thing and also chosing to walk on the outside is good. What Jagger does there: Sending someone out and staying yourself on the smaller path CAN be a sign of agression bc you are not only not protecting them but you are sending them towards unsafety. But horses do this all the time with each other especially trouble makers. This why I find using a round pen with a fresh-off-the-herd horse so counter productive. The horses reaction will always be these 2 questions a) Okay we are in an enclosure please cant I stay on your inside? b) oh okay you want me on the outside (in classic training) but will you at least guard my behind when i turn? (And they turn their ass to you). In classical horsemanship this a no no. They teach the horse to turn toward you which in fact means the person is saying "I am danger you better face me" as a horse will often turn and face danger or threat when in an enclosure as it is safer. (Then you will know where to run if the danger comes at you).
😊🤗thank you for this video! thx! kristina&rainer
Our pleasure! We are glad you enjoyed the video!
I have read your book and applied so many things in my horse training and general communication with young horses for initial training. Many things fit so well (I live in Iceland so the horses I take in at 4 are mostly unhandled amd been with a big herd for the first 4 years of their life). I really apprciate you. But some things are over complicated in your videos too many horses and people.
I think it would be more helpful to see a video human to horse for ex an untrained horsw. Like a 1:1. Its so much info in these videos.
Also and I hope you enlighten me. But how do you know the stuff you say when speaking for a horse? For ex disregulated behaviour etc. Is it not just a fancy word for Jagger being a type thats worse at communication and a bit of a trouble maker. I have horses in herds that are constantly making trouble. Some never seem to learn so I dont know how I as a human can read that. For ex I notice a herd difficult in a herd will not respond well with horse speak in training. Then a more conventional trainer comes and does a few things and the horse responds immediately even if the method (in my eyes today) is as if its a bullying horse talking with the exception the horse (trainer in this case) praises the horse when it does what the bullier wants. It makes me wonder if some horses simply need "man speak" to thrive or learn. Like the herd gave up but man gives the horse the attention it seeks as well as even stricter rules. And i mean thrives,,as in I can see the horse is happier and yes I definitely know the difference.
Also sometimes you put words in the horses mouths like"I feel good I am ready to go" looks like to me "this is boring can we go out again we understand the lesson already?" 😂 Sorry mean no disrespect but I just think sometimes horses are slightly annoyed and have in their minds "beyter things to do". My mentor horse feels like that he'll say in my mind "okay that was good you did well now we are done lets go" 😅
Thank you for this video its full of knowledge. I will listen a few times to soak it in. Ive recently discovered you both. I have a question, how would you go about making sure your horse does not run over you? Due to them spooking or getting a fright?
Thank you in advance
Thank you for this question, as it's a popular one. If your horse is reactive a lot, this typically means that the horse does not feel safe or protected in its environment.
There are many details to help you with this question.
We have a webinar called the Power of the Pattern on our site, www.horsespeakacademy.com, that can help you make your horse feel safer by creating a predictable pattern with them and also understand how they see their environment, where the spooky spots are, and where they feel safe.
You can email us at info@horsespeakacademy.com if you have questions or need further assistance.
Oo another question. Laura when you referred to Jag wanting her to feel safe confortable and connected to you, you said you would do one round of cones with her, did you mean you both walk around all cones together with the lead rope on?
And if so do you stop at any just walk past them. Thank you
If you are starting out walking the cones - you can start at each one or plan on stopping at every other one. We will do one complete circle with her and then take her to the middle, where we have a 55-gallon barrel, and brush her because she finds brushing as a reward.
Hi, new to your channel. Thanks for all the behavioral information. Very valuable. One thing I wanted to mention in regards to Jagger's bully behavior. I watched what was going on prior to the behavior and saw that Rocky was being brushed in the back area when Luna seemed to push in between. Rocky even looks back since the brushing stopped and Luna was in between. I couldn't tell if Luna was wanting to be brushed also or wanted to stop the brushing on Rocky. Jagger was noticing Luna pushing in between and came up on the other side. So was Jagger really bullying due to stress or was Jagger giving Luna a lesson not to take the attention Rocky was supposed to get? I would love to know if you see this behavior too? It looks like to me Rocky is very grounded and peaceful and would not fight back for the attention. Jagger may have been putting Luna in her place.
Hi - thank you for your comment and questions concerning the video. Jagger does have inner stress and she displaces her stress onto Luna due to the role in the herd of each horse. Jagger is also moving Luna because Jagger values comfort and connection from humans and does not want Luna to get a turn. Rocky is the protector/mentor of the herd and no one moves him and in fact Mommy too because of their roles. Jagger and Luna behave like sisters, and they bicker similarly to human sisters. Typically, from a Horse Speak perspective, any Bully behavior stems from inner stress from physical or emotional challenges. Thank you and have a great day!
@@SharonWilsie Okay, got it. I am only seeing them for the first time. You know your herd relationships better. Thanks for summing it for me.😊👍
So interesting
17:20 here you see a horse sending a horse to the outside which is rude (Jagger). (I am not surprised to hear Jagger is klicker trained she has I want food tension and is expecting rewards from the humans, please dont klicker train and expect to also communicate wiith body language)
I think its very important to realize that as horses are running together in high energy surroundings they WILL fight to be on the inside. Never confuse the 2. Walking calmly and being on the outside is a good thing and also chosing to walk on the outside is good.
What Jagger does there: Sending someone out and staying yourself on the smaller path CAN be a sign of agression bc you are not only not protecting them but you are sending them towards unsafety. But horses do this all the time with each other especially trouble makers.
This why I find using a round pen with a fresh-off-the-herd horse so counter productive. The horses reaction will always be these 2 questions a) Okay we are in an enclosure please cant I stay on your inside? b) oh okay you want me on the outside (in classic training) but will you at least guard my behind when i turn? (And they turn their ass to you).
In classical horsemanship this a no no. They teach the horse to turn toward you which in fact means the person is saying "I am danger you better face me" as a horse will often turn and face danger or threat when in an enclosure as it is safer. (Then you will know where to run if the danger comes at you).
Sharon you mentioned T touch, is that the Tellington T touch?
Yes - it is Tellington Touch