Seen these autonomous dumpies operated during a construction job in the Pilbara a few years ago. I didn't even know until my boss told me, before that it was like normal working around them.
I was interested in joining this project as an AHS technology specialist. Thiess should link this video in their job ads because I got more info about the actual operation here than the recruitment process.
Great Preview of some of the technology in a mine. Have a look at the WA Iron Ore Mines. The gear is bigger and autonomous haulage is normal to operations. Autonomous Trains, autonomous drills, 3D face scanning shovels and excavators. Now they have autonomous light vehicles also. It would be of interest to your views how the autonomous haulage runs in circuit and how it works from the control room. We had the first autonomous haulage circuit running in 2007 to 2009 in Australia very capable system. Makes availability of truck to 23hrs plus per day. Reduces truck wear, maintenance, damage and most of all tyre wear. Increased production output, reduced cost. Thanks for your interest and great video.
@@TassyDeval from experience, if you put effort in, you will be noticed and those avenues open up funded by the company. Most large mining companies will pay you for the additional efforts. Also your boss may leave and if you put the effort in you will get great opportunities offered.
I’m guessing your talking about the trucks when you say the gear is bigger, if not please tell me what diggers you have over WA that’s bigger than a 9800?? 😂😂
Curtis is one hell of a machinist/engineer/mechanic fun to watch and you are correct, he will probably be fixing the electric truck drives in next month or so lol
We started doing this at Rio in the Pilbara back in 2007? Automated dumping, refuelling, etc There was a remote operations centre that managed oversight on all the haulpaks Not using Lidar however. But this has been around for over a decade. The e-stop button however is pretty cool. Wouldn’t want to be the person who accidentally pressed it 🤣
Accidental A-Stops are actually extremely common. But the damn things will yell at you until you've noticed! On our site though your astop only creates a barrier around you I can't remember the distance, if a site-stop is needed it's done from control.
The point is to maximize production by eliminating human need for sleep, breaks, food, bathrooms, etc. If anyone wondering why autonomate. Tons of wasted time when ore needs to be going to crusher. The oil machine never stops.
@@calnar The koala is literally the dumbest marsupial on the planet, it can only survive by eating a very specific type of plant, it serves absolutely no role in the eco system except to continue spreading diseases. They deserve to die out... Gliders are cool af though, we should protect them.
Where's the unions 😂. These companies are parasites who pay no tax and the profits go overseas, decimate the environment for koalas and other wildlife.
The difference is that the tractor still kept a man employed. The tractor created jobs. This tec dosen't increase productivity at all. It dosen't need to in order to increase profits.
Everytime I see your post I’m like 👍🏻 wow. This is my real stuff Equipment Technician in the Rockie Mountains 🏔️ of Canada 🇨🇦 and very passionate about autonomous equipment technology
@@BasedinReality1984 Two Way then telling the boss or if it’s overheard. I’ve seen it happen multiple times over the years sometimes for far less. It obviously depends on the site.
@@BasedinReality1984 funny enough it's creating more exciting jobs then just driving a truck for 12 hours a day. Also a lot more safer since fatigue isn't a issue a issue.
I happen to be a boilermaker called into do some stuff on a 980 cat elinstone UG loader being commissioned to do remote bogging in a stope. Everything was going well until the bogger started up and started doing strange stuff. It turned out to be a fishing boat in the Great Australian Bite operating on the same radio frequency (scary sh1t)
Well, I vistited Volvo's autonomous test field in Switzerland (on my YT channel). I was NOT impressed. I do not like Klaus Schwab's 'Digital Transformation' and 'Transhumanism'. They told us to reduce 35 millions jobs worldwide up to 2030. That's not the way.
I always find it odd why massive mining and earthmoving operations like this went away from using trains to haul materials to trucks, a 4 car train with 80t capacity per car hauls more than one 794, and one loco with the same power output as the 794 can haul way more than that, even on fairly steep grades, steeper still with none of the traction problems of conventional rail or even the trucks themselves if it uses rack rails to get up and down hills. Plus trains are way easier to automate and run on electricity
"In any system of energy, Control is what consumes energy the most. Time taken in stocking energy to build an energy system, adding to it the time taken in building the system will always be longer than the entire useful lifetime of the system. No energy store holds enough energy to extract an amount of energy equal to the total energy it stores. No system of energy can deliver sum useful energy in excess of the total energy put into constructing it. This universal truth applies to all systems. Energy, like time, flows from past to future" (2017).
I Hate put a negative spin on a very well made presentation.. But with this technology which is of itself impressive, we are now allowing mining companies to keep ripping out of the ground Our resources making their owners rich while ceasing to provide jobs, which the manned machines need. That to me is just plain insane! I have heard it said that AI has the cability to do away with over 300 million jobs already. I hope centrelink is going to up the minimum payment to keep up with the cost of living.
Allow me to spin you back to the positive then. These machines have been automated since 2007 and jobs have only increased in the mining sector. And if AI does eliminate everyone's jobs then they might finally use all this technology to let people enjoy life instead of working every waking hour just to afford a roof.
@sam23696 I like your take on it, which would be utopia wouldn't it if that were the case, although I think we under estimate the social aspect of being able to do meaningful work, which stimulates the sense of pride in reaching a level proficiency not everybody can obtain. I mean is I am a hands on manual type of person. I have worked in Mining, Timber, Agriculture and Rail industries as an operator/driver. I have never enjoyed computers or sitting behind a desk. I do enjoy my time at home and days off and Yes technology could make everything easier and people like me no essential. But no government will pay us to sit at home and nor would I be happy doing that. In the end time moves us on and jobs are lost, but then someone revives them because they become niche, as is the case with the blacksmiths and tool and pattern makers that were needed to restore the Steam locomotives I drove at work from 2012 to 2019. I respect your point of view, but I've seen what happens when people don't have anything to do. Youth crime in Blackwater QLD for example. Cheers and thanks for the thought.
It actually creates jobs. You'll be surprised by the personnel required in new roles to run such an operation. Remember petrol pump attendants, telephone exchange operators, railway signalmen, toll road booth operators, Y2K specialist...just to name a few jobs no longer needed but those industries have opened up many newer roles.
What is the default if / when GPS / Communications Default and go down / out / aren't being received / Transmitted ? ?? How long to Emergency Full Stop ? ?
Pretty much instantaeous. First off, they use GNSS not GPS so there are many more satellites/positioning systems available for reference and then there are different levels of accuracy such as RTK and DGNSS. As soon as an autonomous vehicle "loses RTK" the vehicle itself commands an emergency stop. In that case, it may still have a position, but it's just not considered accurate enough The engineering involved in developing a system like this is mind boggling
crazy! one company in the bowen basin is selling its asset because autonomous and another is starting next door with it. makes me wonder when the company selling its asset is one of the largest companies in the world let alone in the basin how is theis going to make it financially viable
wait til you see how big the rare earth discovery in Cue is with Victory Metals, biggest in AUS easy and among world's biggest by the time it all shakes out
Did they say what they are mining for or did I miss that bit 🤔 We had some AGV’s at work, I’d like to think the size of them dump trucks they work better or be like us wondering where they’ve disappeared too 😂
Do it, I used to working in a factory with cnc and laser welding and now I operate 400 ton excavators in western Australia 🤙 let's just say I'll never go back to a factory again 😅
@@PBST_RAIDZ operating a dump truck ain't exactly riveting either. Keep doing Ur apprenticeship and U could end up fitting out all the mining machinery. But it's your world so whatever
Hi, I am from Indonesia, I have previously worked for a long time at Freeport Indonesia with a profession as a Haultruk operator, can I join there Thank you in advance.
@@blueman5924 I see some of what you're saying. In the realm of heavy machinery, they make the most sense probably. Maybe only second to tractors on a farm. They spend all day going point A to point B and back. That part makes sense. But other parts seem really challenging - a constantly changing landscape as the material they are moving from point A to point B changes. Plus the bang vs. buck. A site is only going to have a handful of these large haul trucks. That's only a handful of people that need to be employed. They cost a lot of money even for non-automated (probably double for fully autonomous?) and can do a lot of damage - so the risk associated with an accident in one is immense. Yeah, people are expensive to employ, but they ROI vs. risk just doesn't quite seem like it's there yet to me.
@@TheDennisZb Actually it's over 4 operators per machine on average since most people don't work 7 days a week and people take time off, etc. And yes, people are expensive. But so is this technology. The upfront costs and maintenance costs on these machines is going to eat up at least a couple of those humans worth of expenses. And you still need humans on both ends of the line so some of the perceived benefits in efficiency just won't be realized in my opinion. At least not now. Ultimately this is the future I'd say, but there are still a lot of hard problems to solve before this starts to make sense to me.
Skynet gives a big thumbs up
Seen these autonomous dumpies operated during a construction job in the Pilbara a few years ago. I didn't even know until my boss told me, before that it was like normal working around them.
I was interested in joining this project as an AHS technology specialist. Thiess should link this video in their job ads because I got more info about the actual operation here than the recruitment process.
Witttttttttttt
Glas to see you covering some of aus
We have some of the best operations and machinery and procedures
Thabkyou from FAR NORTH QLD
fun fact, THIESS brought the first landcruiser to Australia and were the main importer for quite some time for mining purposes.
How do you keep 3 points of contact holding a laptop?
Who cares.
@@jjjxoxoxo
Ummm BHP, Rio Tinto etc. just the usual over safetied types that buy this stuff
Mate, driving 2.5 hours from Mackay dose Not put you in the middle of nowhere. Great to have you down under. cheers.
haha I know it has a different meaning in Australia
The liebher 9800 Excavator is almost too big to believe.Wow wow thank you Aaron Witt, for informing us what is going on in the Mining world.
I'll stick with my Tonka trucks from the early 60s. More productive, easier maintenance and only downtown was for my nap!
Great Preview of some of the technology in a mine.
Have a look at the WA Iron Ore Mines. The gear is bigger and autonomous haulage is normal to operations.
Autonomous Trains, autonomous drills, 3D face scanning shovels and excavators. Now they have autonomous light vehicles also.
It would be of interest to your views how the autonomous haulage runs in circuit and how it works from the control room.
We had the first autonomous haulage circuit running in 2007 to 2009 in Australia very capable system. Makes availability of truck to 23hrs plus per day. Reduces truck wear, maintenance, damage and most of all tyre wear. Increased production output, reduced cost.
Thanks for your interest and great video.
Your obviously not mates with the blokes that were replaced by a.i
All great isnt it. What about Joe Blow and his hard work to become a professional at his job. No longer needed.
@@TassyDeval from experience, if you put effort in, you will be noticed and those avenues open up funded by the company.
Most large mining companies will pay you for the additional efforts.
Also your boss may leave and if you put the effort in you will get great opportunities offered.
@@bushmagpie3312 Is that so. And what universe r u from?
I’m guessing your talking about the trucks when you say the gear is bigger, if not please tell me what diggers you have over WA that’s bigger than a 9800?? 😂😂
Question 🙋♀️
If an autonomous truck killed somebody, who goes to jail?! 🤔
The computer
I LOVE COAL AND MINING!!!!
Did you get to meet Curtis from cutting edge engineering? That would be a great video of the person who fixes these amazing machines.
He's not exactly what you would call an exact content match for a collab with this channel.
Kurtis will probably be fixing some of the machines components in a few months or years time.
Curtis does some phenomenal work!
Curtis is over 1000km's away.
Curtis is one hell of a machinist/engineer/mechanic fun to watch and you are correct, he will probably be fixing the electric truck drives in next month or so lol
We started doing this at Rio in the Pilbara back in 2007?
Automated dumping, refuelling, etc
There was a remote operations centre that managed oversight on all the haulpaks
Not using Lidar however.
But this has been around for over a decade.
The e-stop button however is pretty cool. Wouldn’t want to be the person who accidentally pressed it 🤣
Accidental A-Stops are actually extremely common. But the damn things will yell at you until you've noticed! On our site though your astop only creates a barrier around you I can't remember the distance, if a site-stop is needed it's done from control.
Big set up 👍
Ever since I was little playing in the sand box with my tonka trucks I fucking just luv this shit man 😎💯✌
Can't wait to see it running
That 9800 is _almost_ unbelievable.
G'day Sam from shenke garage!
The point is to maximize production by eliminating human need for sleep, breaks, food, bathrooms, etc. If anyone wondering why autonomate. Tons of wasted time when ore needs to be going to crusher. The oil machine never stops.
Interesting to see them in action, anyways, keep up the good work!
Love how our resources are privatised.. makes sense..
But then we woildnt have any billionaires..........
With the added benefit of further koala and glider habitat clearance, with the koala now an endangered species in Queensland
@@calnar The koala is literally the dumbest marsupial on the planet, it can only survive by eating a very specific type of plant, it serves absolutely no role in the eco system except to continue spreading diseases. They deserve to die out... Gliders are cool af though, we should protect them.
Where's the unions 😂. These companies are parasites who pay no tax and the profits go overseas, decimate the environment for koalas and other wildlife.
Nothing like taking those jobs away great job y’all
If it's a NEW Mine how are jobs being taken away?
That excavator is insane
took off with the ladder down haha ! bad robot
Most Underrated channel on earth
The e.stop can't stop immediatly...how much distance with a load does it take?
Isn't Daunia right next door and already fully autonomous? I bet there would be synergies if they were to engage with Stanmore.
The technology is really cool but i would much rather see an operator in the trucks earning money for his family
With that attitude we might as well use wheelbarrows and shovels!
Can't get people
I agree, this autonomous shit is gonna ruin the workforce if it hasn't already
@@lemoneleven2179the invention of the tractor ruined the workforce back in the day too
The difference is that the tractor still kept a man employed. The tractor created jobs. This tec dosen't increase productivity at all. It dosen't need to in order to increase profits.
Is the only practical time they turn the excavators off to perform maintenance? Perhaps also some holidays
No holidays. run 24/7 besides servicing
Everytime I see your post I’m like 👍🏻 wow. This is my real stuff Equipment Technician in the Rockie Mountains 🏔️ of Canada 🇨🇦 and very passionate about autonomous equipment technology
Mechanics gonna be in need more than ever and they better be willing to learn and adapt
It is what it is. Those who think autonomous driving is just a talk they must just go and bury their heads in the sand.
Damn, how much does it even cost to begin such an operating?.
I bet this video will get many more views than the "professionals" will get on their video
So takes 3 people to operate a truck now😂😂😂😂
min och min sons nya favotit program hoppas det kommer fler
What about when the mine is operating with all the machinery?? What happens when the red dust covers the sensors. how often do they need cleaning??
That should be out lawed all over the world. It puts people out of work
Now they are some good looking toys $$$$
0:01 Did Australia mandate that a given percentile of all equipment on the job site must be gay?
They have to go autonomous because all the other workers got aids?
Thiess is woke and not worth pissing on these days.
That dirt in the back was called poofta dirt for decades in mining. Say it now and you’ll be sacked on the spot.
@@w_stanky😂 I miss the old days.
But legit …who would sack you for saying it? Are you talking about saying over the radio or people telling the boss ?
@@BasedinReality1984 Two Way then telling the boss or if it’s overheard. I’ve seen it happen multiple times over the years sometimes for far less. It obviously depends on the site.
Would like to know more about the integration of the autonomous trucks. Like how do they interface with the excavators with a moving mine face etc.
Cat terrain screen in the digger and dozer and they survey the face on each pass which is updated on the virtual model.
Caterpillar - Minestar
Is the main system
Then there's terrain which is what the excavator/dozers/loaders use to communicate to Minestar
Just putting more people out of jobs
@@BasedinReality1984 funny enough it's creating more exciting jobs then just driving a truck for 12 hours a day. Also a lot more safer since fatigue isn't a issue a issue.
Hey its shenke garage guy at his day job
I happen to be a boilermaker called into do some stuff on a 980 cat elinstone UG loader being commissioned to do remote bogging in a stope. Everything was going well until the bogger started up and started doing strange stuff. It turned out to be a fishing boat in the Great Australian Bite operating on the same radio frequency (scary sh1t)
"Its amazing to get to the beginning of a brand new mine these days, even though they're so essential" - yep, let that sink in...
Beautiful Barada Barna country, shame to see it torn up
Say goodbye to your paganism. Time for progress and improved lifestyles.
what do the drivers do when they need to do a number 2 i middle of the shift, if there a toilet on that big 9800
Not many people are allowed to go into a mine, your in the MINEority 😅
nice one
Autonomous trucks been running in wa since 2007
You don't "build" a mine. You dig it. That is why Australians have been called "diggers" since the 1850s.
Their WWI reputation for digging trenches, by hand (with shovels and spades, of course), has never been surpassed.
Welcome to Australia mate
How many road trains of diesel fuel are trucked in per day in a working mine? Fair few I would think
6000 000 litres of diesel leave Mackay for the Bowen basin every day. One of the sites uses 600 000 litres/shift (12,5hrs)
Well, I vistited Volvo's autonomous test field in Switzerland (on my YT channel). I was NOT impressed. I do not like Klaus Schwab's 'Digital Transformation' and 'Transhumanism'. They told us to reduce 35 millions jobs worldwide up to 2030. That's not the way.
Somebody needs to put the po💩schwab out of his misery
Klaus can scwab deez nutz.
Great video thanks 😊
GPS is great tech when it's working, unfortunately it also goes out for smoko.
I always find it odd why massive mining and earthmoving operations like this went away from using trains to haul materials to trucks, a 4 car train with 80t capacity per car hauls more than one 794, and one loco with the same power output as the 794 can haul way more than that, even on fairly steep grades, steeper still with none of the traction problems of conventional rail or even the trucks themselves if it uses rack rails to get up and down hills.
Plus trains are way easier to automate and run on electricity
Love your videos I work in a mine just around the corner 😂
how you going with dust?
How the Lib Lab Party Sold Australia's Public Assets for a Song
i enjoyed that!
😍 I want one 😍I want one of those giant truck 😍It would be amazing on Texas highways 😮💨
Where do i apply
How did you get on site wearing that helmet,?
"In any system of energy, Control is what consumes energy the most.
Time taken in stocking energy to build an energy system, adding to it the time taken in building the system will always be longer than the entire useful lifetime of the system.
No energy store holds enough energy to extract an amount of energy equal to the total energy it stores.
No system of energy can deliver sum useful energy in excess of the total energy put into constructing it.
This universal truth applies to all systems.
Energy, like time, flows from past to future" (2017).
3000 m3 an hour doesnt seem that much, heard the O.K rh 400 can move 7000m3 an hour i read somewhere.
Awesome
Aaron are you coming to Kalgoorlie?
These cost over $5 million a year to operate they can't pay a driver 300 thousand dollars three shifts at 100 Grand apiece
where you mark Mackay on the map was where Townsville is LOL Mackay more south of where you put it.
The way things should be done
I Hate put a negative spin on a very well made presentation.. But with this technology which is of itself impressive, we are now allowing mining companies to keep ripping out of the ground Our resources making their owners rich while ceasing to provide jobs, which the manned machines need. That to me is just plain insane! I have heard it said that AI has the cability to do away with over 300 million jobs already. I hope centrelink is going to up the minimum payment to keep up with the cost of living.
Allow me to spin you back to the positive then. These machines have been automated since 2007 and jobs have only increased in the mining sector.
And if AI does eliminate everyone's jobs then they might finally use all this technology to let people enjoy life instead of working every waking hour just to afford a roof.
@sam23696 I like your take on it, which would be utopia wouldn't it if that were the case, although I think we under estimate the social aspect of being able to do meaningful work, which stimulates the sense of pride in reaching a level proficiency not everybody can obtain. I mean is I am a hands on manual type of person. I have worked in Mining, Timber, Agriculture and Rail industries as an operator/driver. I have never enjoyed computers or sitting behind a desk. I do enjoy my time at home and days off and Yes technology could make everything easier and people like me no essential. But no government will pay us to sit at home and nor would I be happy doing that. In the end time moves us on and jobs are lost, but then someone revives them because they become niche, as is the case with the blacksmiths and tool and pattern makers that were needed to restore the Steam locomotives I drove at work from 2012 to 2019. I respect your point of view, but I've seen what happens when people don't have anything to do. Youth crime in Blackwater QLD for example. Cheers and thanks for the thought.
It actually creates jobs. You'll be surprised by the personnel required in new roles to run such an operation.
Remember petrol pump attendants, telephone exchange operators, railway signalmen, toll road booth operators, Y2K specialist...just to name a few jobs no longer needed but those industries have opened up many newer roles.
What is the default if / when GPS / Communications Default and go down / out / aren't being received / Transmitted ?
?? How long to Emergency Full Stop ? ?
Pretty much instantaeous. First off, they use GNSS not GPS so there are many more satellites/positioning systems available for reference and then there are different levels of accuracy such as RTK and DGNSS. As soon as an autonomous vehicle "loses RTK" the vehicle itself commands an emergency stop. In that case, it may still have a position, but it's just not considered accurate enough
The engineering involved in developing a system like this is mind boggling
go to the Whitsundays I want to meet you
ok, but I barely know you.
crazy! one company in the bowen basin is selling its asset because autonomous and another is starting next door with it. makes me wonder when the company selling its asset is one of the largest companies in the world let alone in the basin how is theis going to make it financially viable
wait til you see how big the rare earth discovery in Cue is with Victory Metals, biggest in AUS easy and among world's biggest by the time it all shakes out
I like your videos or your country very much
Hello I'm in Australia working in transhipper vessel, as a chief officer can I know the address of the company so I can apply
Did they say what they are mining for or did I miss that bit 🤔
We had some AGV’s at work, I’d like to think the size of them dump trucks they work better or be like us wondering where they’ve disappeared too 😂
coking coal
Thank you, good on them 👍
Coking coal. We sell it to China for so they can make more warships.
Helo i am a haulpak operator I want to join the mine truck operator job... But how can I apply from India...
That 9800 needs some grease quick!
Aaron this is not a trip you have to have umbrella drinks sipping on the Ocean breeze you'll find out later in life😊😊
I work in CNC machining, but these videos make me want to change career!
Do it, I used to working in a factory with cnc and laser welding and now I operate 400 ton excavators in western Australia 🤙 let's just say I'll never go back to a factory again 😅
@@shaneleonard190 yeah I'm doing an apprenticeship at a cnc shop and it's the most boring shit ever.
@@PBST_RAIDZ operating a dump truck ain't exactly riveting either. Keep doing Ur apprenticeship and U could end up fitting out all the mining machinery. But it's your world so whatever
@@shaneleonard190hi i am from central asia i also use hitachi 3600 excavator in gold mine i have experience can you offer me a job
What does all the obnoxious noise add ?
Some big gear there, but let me tell you where coal mining actually happens - underground. This gravel scratching gear is just quarry work
You're using a mining truck to carry survey equipment? Seems like massive overkill to me.
Hi, I am from Indonesia, I have previously worked for a long time at Freeport Indonesia with a profession as a Haultruk operator, can I join there Thank you in advance.
Of all the places the world needs automation, it does seem like haul trucks are the last place I'd be looking.
Ironic. It’s the perfect place.
@@blueman5924 I see some of what you're saying. In the realm of heavy machinery, they make the most sense probably. Maybe only second to tractors on a farm. They spend all day going point A to point B and back. That part makes sense. But other parts seem really challenging - a constantly changing landscape as the material they are moving from point A to point B changes. Plus the bang vs. buck. A site is only going to have a handful of these large haul trucks. That's only a handful of people that need to be employed. They cost a lot of money even for non-automated (probably double for fully autonomous?) and can do a lot of damage - so the risk associated with an accident in one is immense.
Yeah, people are expensive to employ, but they ROI vs. risk just doesn't quite seem like it's there yet to me.
Those people are hard to reliably hire in the middle of nowhere
@davincrook9927 plus for every truck you'd need 3 operators (8 hour/day each)
@@TheDennisZb Actually it's over 4 operators per machine on average since most people don't work 7 days a week and people take time off, etc. And yes, people are expensive. But so is this technology. The upfront costs and maintenance costs on these machines is going to eat up at least a couple of those humans worth of expenses. And you still need humans on both ends of the line so some of the perceived benefits in efficiency just won't be realized in my opinion.
At least not now. Ultimately this is the future I'd say, but there are still a lot of hard problems to solve before this starts to make sense to me.
Wheres parker????
Big monsters🔥🔥👍
B.S, TRUCK NEEDS TO BE THAT BIG TO CARRY THE COAL TO KEEP IT RUNNING?????????
Can I apply??😢
Like your content
is there a reason autonomous trucks are needed? - cant get drivers?
Cost effective + Haul truck operator are typically a pain in the arse!
9800 i love machine excavator
Head to the Pilbara mate to see some hectic mining ops.
Who owns these mines.. aussies or foreigners?
Why does it matter? Someone rich, that's for sure
0:02 😮💨😮💨😮💨
YES lets have some more coal mines, nothing better for the environment
It’s weird to this that this is where I live and that I work on the underground stuff
See if you can come visit Karlawinda Gold Project
Im about to start a 2 week swing, Jumping on a plane in just a few hours
yes lets do away with the jobs for the drivers lets you know what the big companys think of the drivers
If you spent a week dealing with widow lickers you would soon see the it's far from a loss.