@@WaveManMike He won't make it back through funding the research and people didn't watch this video because they knew he funded a research. They watched it to find out how to 2x their muscle growth.
I understand once you can’t do anymore reps do partials but would pausing in the stretch also cause more muscle growth like in the bottom of a machine preacher curl
Thank god for tlfr because after that initial statement I was like "okay now research don't seem to know what's best for muscle growth cause wtf is all these backwards strategies for working out? First its do shit with good form now its do it with bad form?"
from someone who has been working out since... I don't know forever - LOOK AFTER YOUR SHOULDERS. All this focus on stretch - be really careful. That's a joint at maximum. Shoulders are a pretty complex / weak setup in the first place. For how many years do you think it will be happy doing that.
As a physical therapist, please do the stretching technique for lifting, we get tired of treating only low back pain and would love more shoulder/biceps/pec tears.
Stretching will force your connective tissues to adapt to the tension. using proper form, slower eccentric, full ROM, and high reps will keep the weight low and safe. The reason people have these injuries is because people are too scared to work in that range and therefore the connective tissue will never adapt to their muscle strength
Exactly! I tell people all the time not everyone should touch thier chest on bench. People with a thick barrel chest can and thier upper arm doesn't go past parallel with the floor. Someone with a thin chest puts their shoulders in a bad position touching chest.
Don't forget Jeff Nippard. I saw a video of his last week about this very thing and I changed my workouts because of it. Glad to see that Jeremy agrees with the technique and is trying to support it with science
@@ryanmichel2808 he is Mr Built with Science after all! Yes, I love Jeff Nippard, Mike Israetel, Dr Pak, Eric Helms, Menno Henselmans, Eugene Teo... Did I forget any of the science chads? 😂
Yeah I really have to try this honestly. I always seem to be stressing about trying to increase my rep count from my previous workout instead of just getting the proper stimulus.
Bro, no offence, but upon first glance, you look like someone who just started lifting. If you slowed down and started noticing gains, it’s probably because you weren’t training properly before
There was this dude who used to go to my gym who would do half-reps the whole time. I saw him like a year later and he was ripped to shreds. Could be genetics, could be the half-rep scheme!
There was bit of science and tons of broscience about the importance of The strech years ago. But all this lengtened partials Science is new. I think Mike Said it this way: we used to know strech was important, now we know it's really really important "
Thanks for continuing to provide logical advice based on research, and even funding research, compared to the majority of RUclips vids. You taught me to check my ego and lower the weight to get full and controlled ROM, which finally gave me results.
i can do 10kg in normal bicep curl, but i can only do 4kg in stretched position.. after doing the stretched more, i can increase my pull up.. so now i prefer the stretched position with lighter weight and do higher reps..
For science! I’ve purchased your intermediate build for females program. I’ve only been at it a month and I’ve honestly have seen some results! I was hesitant at first and I’m so glad that I enrolled in that program. I appreciate what you are doing and your dedication for the collective! Gratitude
well, you dont need to purchase anything, if youre starting off, you will see newbie results. Im glad I have the mindset to do my own thing with information out there that has helped, but I created my own routine and use it for real life situations and exclude any other BS workout that has me seated in a chair.
Jeremy..you are a gem. This is EVERYTHING we NEED to know for hypertrophy and health and not wasting our time .. THANK YOU SO MUCH for your intelligence and passion ..irreplaceable...
One of the sickest back/lat exercises that really emphasizes the stretched position is the pullover - dumbbell, plate or easy bar, whatever fits your taste better. When you get to the bottom, your lats are as stretched as they can be and your arms are perpendicular to the force of gravity, so that's the heaviest part of the movement.
I can confirm that. People in the gym always look at me as if I was crazy when I go really deep into the stretch in my exercises, but it was a game changer for my muscle growth and doesn't hurt mobility either.
The slow down method worked so well that after I left the gym , swollen, I decided to apply this to everything I do in life. Now other drivers honk at me in recognition, cashiers gaze in amazement at my one-item-at-a-time approach, and even old ladies get inspired to try crossing the road on their own after I step in to help! Thanks for changing my life!
Renaissance Periodization has also been basically talking about how concentric moves are more effective than excentric and isometric because of the muscle being stretched. He mentions it in almost every video I’ve watched
For science! This is such a great video! I’m so excited to see what you find in your study. I’m always preaching about deep stretches and slowed eccentrics! Thank you for funding and taking the time to expand and find new evidence based research, I can’t wait to see what you guys find!
Glad to see this research coming out **AND** the community responding to new data. Jeff Nippard, Jeff Cavaliere, Mike Israetel, Squat University (etc) are all onboard and pushing the good word!
For SCIENCE! Man bro I have always loved your channel. YOU inspire me so much. I had a shoulder injury for a long time but honestly I have just been putting off getting back to exercise. And the moment I thought of what I'll need to help get back into; it was you that came to mind. I started my own too called "mistakes to mastery". So this is my pledge to work on myself, on my health. Ill be following your progress with this For Science Research hopefully I see you someday based in Toronto O.N rn. :)
Ronnie Coleman and other bodybuilders been doin this for years and these 'optimal lifters' have been shittin on them just because they are using loads of gears. LOL
This is why the old Nautilus machines had the famous nautilus cam, that made the exercises easier in the position where the muscles are the weakest. Sadly enough, those kind of machines are not made today. People don't know how good the old machines were.
@JeremyEthier I like that your videos cut straight to the important points, are easy to understand and you say your references/studies without dragging on. I don't need to know the minute detail of every biological processes in the human body i.e. Huberman or Renaissance Periodization Mike hour long videos. I kinda wish they'd both close out every video of theirs saying "Use gear responsibly, like me and get healthier."
This is exactly how I have been training for the past few years. I do slow reps and my strength went up significantly, muscle growth increases, my ligaments and tendons feel healthy and strong, I never injured myself anymore while lifting weights and above all else my training routine helps me to perform better in BJJ - and it has prevented me from getting badly injuries a few times in this sport.
Great to see you and Jeff Nippard taking the money you have earned and putting it back into the research. We could use more influencers like you guys! Thanks for your contribution to the research!
When i decided to start going in the gym one and a half year ago i started seaching for some beginner info and data on the net and especialy here on you tube.after some time i came across this channel and a video about upper body excercises and in the description there was a free pdf with these excercises which i downloaded.i found other video with free pdf's for the rest of the body.since then,till this day,i have implemented all these into my regular workout rutine and after year and a half i have completely transformed my self,with only excercising,no chemisty just healty foods and celtic salt and colagen peptided as suplements which are completely natural.now i am only upgrading my rutine with some new useful workouts.thanks to this channel i am a new person.by the way,i am 49:)
Congratulations on initiating new research. That sounds like a new milestone, and I’m really happy for how your initiative’s progressed toward this. (By the way, I’d love for dumb / confused Jeremy to get his own series!)
ATG has been touting this for years. Training progressive range of motion will give you flexibility and strength, which will prevent injury because you will be resilient in more disadvantageous positions.
2:22 I would strongly suggest to not lower the elbows too far passed the back with dumbell benchpress, it’s fine for light weights that’s similar to a push up. Once you start loading up kiss your shoulder joints goodbye (over time).
It is not all about building big muscles but the longevity. Having a full range of motion helps keep the joints mobile and healthy. This becomes restricted when you age.
For science! I use cheat reps at the end of my weighted dips to force out a few more reps and extend the failure. I saw a video one time where Dorian Yates was saying people don’t know how to cheat. But if you learn how to cheat correctly it can help. Sounds exactly like the half rep thing. You’re stressing your muscle at the most disadvantaged position and getting a little more volume than you would otherwise. Another thing to note is that you’re staying in the range that requires the most work. Rather than blowing right through the most difficult part of the rep you’re forcing your body to hang out where it’s toughest. I think consistently pushing yourself at that range will stimulate more growth than just traditional reps. Keep it up man!
I bought a powertec machine and it has enabled me to do a ton of very good stretching movements. Using that with a bunch of dumbbell exercises has been a game changer for me
Funding research is one of the most noble things you can do for this community. Respect increased by 99999999%
He will likely eventually make the money back so I’d say it’s a win win situation.
We get the knowledge and he will enjoy the fruit of the labor. 😅
Yeah it's great, with enough research it would be revolutionary.
@@WaveManMike How will he make it back?
@@L.I.T.H.I.U.M this video 😂 you think he uploads for free? 😆
@@WaveManMike He won't make it back through funding the research and people didn't watch this video because they knew he funded a research. They watched it to find out how to 2x their muscle growth.
Thank you for having me, Jeremy! Many more videos on the topic on my channel 🙏🏻
No problem, Milo!
I understand once you can’t do anymore reps do partials but would pausing in the stretch also cause more muscle growth like in the bottom of a machine preacher curl
What's up with the subtitles for Dr. Milo 😂😂😂
@@Bigbiceps301 in the video it went over that at 2:13 with bench I think
Can't click on homies YT. Is it deleted?
TLDR; emphasize the stretched position, do partials after failure.
Its the goat
TLDW*
TLDR ur plain wrong and dont know paul carter lmao
Thank god for tlfr because after that initial statement I was like "okay now research don't seem to know what's best for muscle growth cause wtf is all these backwards strategies for working out? First its do shit with good form now its do it with bad form?"
Thanks 🙏
from someone who has been working out since... I don't know forever - LOOK AFTER YOUR SHOULDERS. All this focus on stretch - be really careful. That's a joint at maximum. Shoulders are a pretty complex / weak setup in the first place. For how many years do you think it will be happy doing that.
As a physical therapist, please do the stretching technique for lifting, we get tired of treating only low back pain and would love more shoulder/biceps/pec tears.
Stretching will force your connective tissues to adapt to the tension. using proper form, slower eccentric, full ROM, and high reps will keep the weight low and safe. The reason people have these injuries is because people are too scared to work in that range and therefore the connective tissue will never adapt to their muscle strength
@@dartyzorwhat is the stretching technique?
Exactly! I tell people all the time not everyone should touch thier chest on bench. People with a thick barrel chest can and thier upper arm doesn't go past parallel with the floor. Someone with a thin chest puts their shoulders in a bad position touching chest.
invaluable advice. Thank you
Listening to Milo Wolf and Jeremy Ethier keeping you big as hell.
Don't forget Jeff Nippard. I saw a video of his last week about this very thing and I changed my workouts because of it. Glad to see that Jeremy agrees with the technique and is trying to support it with science
@@ryanmichel2808 he is Mr Built with Science after all! Yes, I love Jeff Nippard, Mike Israetel, Dr Pak, Eric Helms, Menno Henselmans, Eugene Teo... Did I forget any of the science chads? 😂
@@ryanmichel2808gym nerd Jeff Nipples nahhh
As soon as I slowed the fuck down, I started noticing in size with adequate weight instead of increasing overload each week and working out fast
Yeah I really have to try this honestly. I always seem to be stressing about trying to increase my rep count from my previous workout instead of just getting the proper stimulus.
More stretch with slow repetitions is perfect combo
I've noticed a lot of growth since i started focusing more on TUT and stretching the muscle instead of increasing weight and reps every week
@@JulianJamesProd. I hit each muscle group twice a week and I feel like I’m losing weight and myy to gains instead of gaining muscle size 😞
Bro, no offence, but upon first glance, you look like someone who just started lifting. If you slowed down and started noticing gains, it’s probably because you weren’t training properly before
as a natural weightlifter where you re trying to maximize your growth, these videos are pure gold! keep it going!
By the far the best fitness channel - fun to watch, science based, not super long and boring
There was this dude who used to go to my gym who would do half-reps the whole time. I saw him like a year later and he was ripped to shreds. Could be genetics, could be the half-rep scheme!
could be the gear!
just joking. It's definitely all three ;->
Probably both
Could be any one of us
@@nonfictionone I wish this was a joke. Really hard to tell these days.
@@Kahsilwhat does it matter to you if someone is using something to enhance themselves lol
We've known about this for years now, Dr. Mike been preaching the stretch for as long as I can remember.
Exactly what I was thinking....how is this new 🤦♂️
There was bit of science and tons of broscience about the importance of The strech years ago. But all this lengtened partials Science is new. I think Mike Said it this way: we used to know strech was important, now we know it's really really important "
Not just him, literally all top pro bodybuilders too. Ronnie's been saying it since the dawn of time.
Thanks for continuing to provide logical advice based on research, and even funding research, compared to the majority of RUclips vids. You taught me to check my ego and lower the weight to get full and controlled ROM, which finally gave me results.
Good luck with the new research project Jeremy, it looks intriguing.
Good work mate. Proud of you being involved into this project
jeremy is one and only true natural fitness guy on youtube... should get gold medal for sure!!!
And be safe guys, every time I hurt myself was with a high resistance stretch position exercise.
Precisely my experience 😢
@@jrippon that's right
i can do 10kg in normal bicep curl, but i can only do 4kg in stretched position.. after doing the stretched more, i can increase my pull up.. so now i prefer the stretched position with lighter weight and do higher reps..
Exactly 💯.
A slight stretch is good.
Overstretched muscle contractions lead directly to injuries.
I've been a follower for almost 6 years, and yet you always surpass my expectations what a legend!!!
sam sulek was into something with all those parcial reps
For science!
you monster
For science!
I’ve purchased your intermediate build for females program. I’ve only been at it a month and I’ve honestly have seen some results! I was hesitant at first and I’m so glad that I enrolled in that program. I appreciate what you are doing and your dedication for the collective!
Gratitude
well, you dont need to purchase anything, if youre starting off, you will see newbie results. Im glad I have the mindset to do my own thing with information out there that has helped, but I created my own routine and use it for real life situations and exclude any other BS workout that has me seated in a chair.
FOR SCIENCE!
Man this is such an awesome news. Best of luck 😎👍🏻💪🏻
It's so nice to see Milo Wolf here.
Jeremy..you are a gem. This is EVERYTHING we NEED to know for hypertrophy and health and not wasting our time .. THANK YOU SO MUCH for your intelligence and passion ..irreplaceable...
One of the sickest back/lat exercises that really emphasizes the stretched position is the pullover - dumbbell, plate or easy bar, whatever fits your taste better. When you get to the bottom, your lats are as stretched as they can be and your arms are perpendicular to the force of gravity, so that's the heaviest part of the movement.
Even being 43 and training for years, I’ve paid more attention in the last year or so, specifically on the stretch and noticed the difference.
Just subscribing to Jeremy Ehier already gave me instant gains😂
I can confirm that. People in the gym always look at me as if I was crazy when I go really deep into the stretch in my exercises, but it was a game changer for my muscle growth and doesn't hurt mobility either.
Just before going to the gym,💗 bro came in clutch
Dr. Mike is preaching this since forever...?! How is this suddenly a new thing?
For the research. Thanks Jeremy!
FOR SCIENCE !!!
That's very noble of you Jeremy.
The slow down method worked so well that after I left the gym , swollen, I decided to apply this to everything I do in life.
Now other drivers honk at me in recognition, cashiers gaze in amazement at my one-item-at-a-time approach, and even old ladies get inspired to try crossing the road on their own after I step in to help!
Thanks for changing my life!
Your channel is fire! I appreciate how everything is science based and carefully studied. For science!
Jeff Nippard has been talking about this for months
I know. It’s like, even in my job, whatever I think of, it feels like Jeff Nippard has got there first.
As are all the more science based fitness influencers, Jeff, Dr Mike, Menno Henselmans, Milo Wolf.
I literally saw a short this morning talking about it, insane timing. Still, the more people talk about it the better.
And we all know the first in anything is always the best right?
Renaissance Periodization has also been basically talking about how concentric moves are more effective than excentric and isometric because of the muscle being stretched. He mentions it in almost every video I’ve watched
For science!
This is such a great video! I’m so excited to see what you find in your study. I’m always preaching about deep stretches and slowed eccentrics! Thank you for funding and taking the time to expand and find new evidence based research, I can’t wait to see what you guys find!
Good summary of the topic. Well done for funding research. We can all benefit for that. Good job.
Glad to see this research coming out **AND** the community responding to new data. Jeff Nippard, Jeff Cavaliere, Mike Israetel, Squat University (etc) are all onboard and pushing the good word!
For SCIENCE! Man bro I have always loved your channel. YOU inspire me so much. I had a shoulder injury for a long time but honestly I have just been putting off getting back to exercise. And the moment I thought of what I'll need to help get back into; it was you that came to mind. I started my own too called "mistakes to mastery". So this is my pledge to work on myself, on my health. Ill be following your progress with this For Science Research hopefully I see you someday based in Toronto O.N rn. :)
Excited to hear about your findings! Good luck with your experiment.
Bro really showed us the 2x progress gamepass 💀
word
I wouldn’t be suprised if it said 25 robux to watch this vid!
This brings this Channel to Another Level. Congratulations 👏
Ronnie Coleman and other bodybuilders been doin this for years and these 'optimal lifters' have been shittin on them just because they are using loads of gears. LOL
Sam sulek still gets shit on for doing half reps after failure.
I have been following your videos for 5 years, I love your scientific videos so much,thanks for your labors Jeremy 🌺
Love from Türkiye❤️💙🧿🙏🏽
Ever since I did the preacher curl on pull day, my friends always ask how your biceps can stand out like that.
ez-bar or dumbbell
@@pi_devgo with the ez-bar.
Funding the research is amazing, you are the man Jeremy! Thank you from the fitness community!
This is why the old Nautilus machines had the famous nautilus cam, that made the exercises easier in the position where the muscles are the weakest. Sadly enough, those kind of machines are not made today. People don't know how good the old machines were.
Nautilus company still exists and doing solid work
@@Titan_Abhay_007 the company exist, but the nautilus cam products are no longer made.
@JeremyEthier
I like that your videos cut straight to the important points, are easy to understand and you say your references/studies without dragging on. I don't need to know the minute detail of every biological processes in the human body i.e. Huberman or Renaissance Periodization Mike hour long videos. I kinda wish they'd both close out every video of theirs saying "Use gear responsibly, like me and get healthier."
For science! This is so great, to see dedicated people doing research, I wish you amazing breakthroughts and push knowledge and limits further.
Souht Park S10 E13 quoting the Otters on their battle ostriches: "For Science!!!"
For science. Good job. Keep us posted
Consistency, discipline, full range of motion, a good training program and calorie surplus will gain your muscle. Lets go! :D
You are 100% correct!
Couldn't agree more with you.
I would add sufficient sleep and protein for recovery
@@sonnyblack90 agree 💪
I am so incredibly excited for this! You and Milo are such a gift to the world of fitness.
It can also reduce your gains. Passive insufficiency exists.
Can’t wait for your study! Thank you
The four horsemen of max gains:
Jeremy ethier
Dr. Mike
Jeff Nippard
Davis Diley
davis is a scam
agree on the first 3
nWo 4 life
hell no
What about Athlean X ?
For science!
So keen for this Jeremy, you’re awesome!
as a 40 yr old man some of these moves look like a good way to pop out my shoulder again. Good advice but use it carefully and listen to your own body
For science!!
Huge respect to you Jeremy!!
dude, it's so cool you're helping stake this area of research yourself. mad respect. thanks for doing everything you do.
Bro this dude has taken research to another level. Now he's even part of the studies. His dedication and love for this is something to admire
This is exactly how I have been training for the past few years. I do slow reps and my strength went up significantly, muscle growth increases, my ligaments and tendons feel healthy and strong, I never injured myself anymore while lifting weights and above all else my training routine helps me to perform better in BJJ - and it has prevented me from getting badly injuries a few times in this sport.
so happy to see Dr Milo here with Jeremy. Dr Pak next time please
Great research, looking forward to see results of your studies!
Can't wait for the results
been doing this for the last 3 months. Works like magic
What stretch position and half reps ?
By the far the best fitness channel to idolize.
Heard of this before from Jeff Nipard, he LOVES to talk about range of motion, controlling negatives, and the stretch part of an exercise. Cool vid.
Great to see you and Jeff Nippard taking the money you have earned and putting it back into the research. We could use more influencers like you guys! Thanks for your contribution to the research!
Good luck with the study! If I lived nearer I'd be asking if I could take part in it. I'm looking forward to seeing what you find! 🤓💪
Gotta love good science. Funding a research on that scale is super exciting
Ever since you started doing the actual experiments with the fancy equipment, your channel.has gone to another level. Keep.it up.
excited to see the results of the study
What a G!! Helping fund research… salute to you good sir!
Salute you sir for funding a follow up study.
When i decided to start going in the gym one and a half year ago i started seaching for some beginner info and data on the net and especialy here on you tube.after some time i came across this channel and a video about upper body excercises and in the description there was a free pdf with these excercises which i downloaded.i found other video with free pdf's for the rest of the body.since then,till this day,i have implemented all these into my regular workout rutine and after year and a half i have completely transformed my self,with only excercising,no chemisty just healty foods and celtic salt and colagen peptided as suplements which are completely natural.now i am only upgrading my rutine with some new useful workouts.thanks to this channel i am a new person.by the way,i am 49:)
Congratulations on initiating new research. That sounds like a new milestone, and I’m really happy for how your initiative’s progressed toward this. (By the way, I’d love for dumb / confused Jeremy to get his own series!)
I have been doing this for about a year now and its a game changer!
Good on you lad 👍🏽
Sounds great Jeremy, thanks for exploring this further!
For science! Thank you, Jeremy!👏🏻
For science! Keep up your good work brother!! I love your channel.
ATG has been touting this for years. Training progressive range of motion will give you flexibility and strength, which will prevent injury because you will be resilient in more disadvantageous positions.
Thanks for sharing this! 🎉
Nice video as always, cheers from Germany
Bro this video was soo interesting. Keep up the great work 👍🏼
2:22 I would strongly suggest to not lower the elbows too far passed the back with dumbell benchpress, it’s fine for light weights that’s similar to a push up. Once you start loading up kiss your shoulder joints goodbye (over time).
😭
I’m interested what using the “partial” reps will do to joints from both conditioning and injury perspectives
Learning you became a research sponsor made me become a subscriber to the channel
Congrats on the good example you're setting here
That’s soooo awesome ! Best of luck!🎉
Jeremy is the GOAT. FOR SCIENCE
It is not all about building big muscles but the longevity. Having a full range of motion helps keep the joints mobile and healthy. This becomes restricted when you age.
thank you so much for creating this video
Great work, bro!!!
For science ❤️🔥
Let's gooo..🔱💪🏼
For science! Such an awesome project. Thanks for sharing all your revelations.
For science! I use cheat reps at the end of my weighted dips to force out a few more reps and extend the failure. I saw a video one time where Dorian Yates was saying people don’t know how to cheat. But if you learn how to cheat correctly it can help. Sounds exactly like the half rep thing. You’re stressing your muscle at the most disadvantaged position and getting a little more volume than you would otherwise. Another thing to note is that you’re staying in the range that requires the most work. Rather than blowing right through the most difficult part of the rep you’re forcing your body to hang out where it’s toughest. I think consistently pushing yourself at that range will stimulate more growth than just traditional reps. Keep it up man!
I bought a powertec machine and it has enabled me to do a ton of very good stretching movements. Using that with a bunch of dumbbell exercises has been a game changer for me
So awesome that you are funding research 💪🔥
Wow thanks for all your FOR SCIENCE work!❤❤❤
I will keep this in mind! Thanks!
Yep. Started doing this the last few weeks 🎉