It’s kinda hard to when you constantly glory hunt and go to the best teams, if Ronaldo stayed with Madrid during their worst phase and faced the best Bayern possible do you think he’d single handedly stop them from conceding 8 goals with his defending? I don’t think so, pointless regardless as neither are defenders. But if you want to go that way he ate 5-0 from messi head to head.
There is literally no point in arguing with Ronaldo supporters. You can show them the most CONCRETE FACTS and STATS and they will say “ROBBED, RIGGED, PAID REFS, FIFA BOY.” This video was straight facts. No opinions. No speculation.
@@Syncedc4cI mean to be fair, Ronaldo did win 4 Champions Leagues after 2012 and Messi won 1, so then people called Ronaldo the GOAT until Messi won the World Cup
Yeah that’s a fair point but we also need to remember that stat wise Messi was still way more effective than Ronaldo atleast that begun in 2019 and ahead imo
No ball Messi stats r better coz from 2002 - 2005 Ronaldo was a midfielder and benched in 2021 and 2022. Messi is the goat by stats but Ronaldo does come close to Messi coz Ronaldo is the most complete player he can score with his right foot, left, head. He has good pens, freekicks, solo goals, volleys, headers, dribbling, skills, long range goals and bicycle. He is the most complete so because of that Ronaldo comes close. If Messi has his main foot cut off and Ronaldo also did, Ronaldo would perform better so it comes close to that.
@@AnimeKingBoysYT And Messi have 104 goals with right foot and Ronaldo have 129 with left foot and Messi have 200 games lesser than ronaldo.Because of his height he can't score header goals that much
@@Slayerthehunter123 I aint saying Messi aint the goat and i never said Ronaldo was better at solo goals i just said he is good at everything. Also look at Ronaldo stats in Madrid and Messi in Barca. If Ronaldo stayed in Madrid for longer, he stats would be closer but not everyone is with Ronaldo. In Messi Tax Fraud case Barca supported him but in Ronaldo tax fraud case, Madrid didn't support him and he was sold to Juventus and Covid made his career worse
Another thing is that ronaldo did go to different leagues but the funny thing is he won more premier leagues than la ligas even though he only spent like 5 seasons in the prem and 9 in la liga This shows how much messi dominated ronaldo when they were in the same league
@@SON-jp9fm UCL is more luck than league. One bad game can completely ruin your entire tournament run. In league you have to be consistent throughout the season. Also, Cristiano's teammates won 2 more UCL after he left anyways, so who really carried?
Messi a player who can be compared with goal scorers assist makers playmakers dribblers chances created. Chances created for open play can be compared with his at the moment okay style against legends was top 1 in free kick for 6 years v Ronaldo a player who is just a goalscorer . Not even a debate. You mentioned Maradona v Pele. If Maradona wasn't drug addict he would surely be better than Pele. Pele in 1958 world cup had much powerhouse team and garrincha carried Brazil. Pele didn't play in 1962 world cup cause of injury but still Brazil won world cup without Pele proves Brazil is fine without Pele. Brazil was a powerhouse in 1970 world cup this is why they won. But Maradona in his drug addict weaker body carried Argentina by himself. Drugdona was Argentina. If Maradona wasn't alcoholic or drug addict he is easily better than Pele.
Oh wow thanks for that information because I honestly didn’t even know that mate. I just knew Brazil was a powerhouse because they won 3 world cups but never knew as many details. Thanks bro and if u have more info please feel free to share
Balon D'or fun fact: If we remove their respective Balon D'or competition (ie remove Messi when he won Balon D'or and remove CR7 when he won Balon D'or) then CR7 would have 9 Balon D'or in his Messi-less reality and Messi would have 13 Balon D'or in his CR7-less reality. That's just insane for both.
but it’s still Close Ronaldo is just as great, Messi is just a step ahead I would always pick Ronaldo because I also watch his games every teammate would pass it to him knowing damm well he will score to win Messi wins just because the total of d oros and World Cup
Stats are good but Ronaldo is a perfect role model of what a good player should NOT be. Selfish and not at all a team player and probably indulged in play-acting as well. Unfortunately other good players like Mbappe, Garnacho, etc. are following him and risk becoming selfish. The problem with that is modern football will only be won by better teams - not better individual players. I could see that happening in the World cup 2022 and repeated in EURO cup this year.
Yeah but the very least someone his age could probably do is atleast let some of the young talent have their chance and play like Suarez did in Uruguay
Honestly comparing Ronaldo to Messi is basically comparing a striker/Lw /LM to a Playmaker who has played in one club for very long also the reaosn why Messi is clearly better eventhough I support Ronaldo is because the team he was in was meant to be build for him not to mention he stayed there even longer then Ronaldo's time in Madrid not to mention Ronaldo had to buold chemistry after leaving man utd whoch wasnt easy at thw start of the point
Mostly you can't blame Ronny since he just joined Madrid not to mention Barca had very good and independent players who could link up with Messi in certain areas for him to shoot the ball in the net
@@Suii2008 Ronaldo would have at least 7 UCL and 7 ballon d’or if he stayed at Madrid and Messi would have less ballon d’or because Ronaldo would be winning everything if he stayed. Ronaldo 🇵🇹🐐
@@davispaul2279eh, Madrid kind of rebuilt after Ronaldo left they started being more independent and using their players more, ie: Vinicius, rodrygo, valverde and benzema being the main man. We don’t know whether or not they’d be the same as cr7 was already declining at that point.
bro those ronaldo fans are like dog's tail(not in an abusive manner ) cuz however you try to straighten its tail,it would curl back .so its better to avoid arguments knowing the best player is messi
@@AnimeKingBoysYT ofc you would say this as a ronaldo fanboy, I said the truth yet you did exactly what I explained in my comment 🤣. I'll end this argument as I don't wanna waste my time
@@Iwantdote well u don’t know ball because ain’t no way u say Ronaldo ain’t even close and also I ain’t a Ronaldo fanboy I also like Messi unlike u barking at all fans 💀🤫😂
You made a brilliant video. And you didn't even get to many important facts yet still so one-sided. If you look at the history of the game you'll find that quality has always taken a bigger percentage to someone's greatness. I name the factors as quality, quantity and quality of your quantity(my emphasis). Hence why you see names like Maradona, Cruyff etc enter these discussions. When you consider these you'll find that Messi easily enters the convo along with Pele as well. But CR7 would barely make a top 20 list(he obviously has world class quality but not to the elite level). What has catapulted him so high is the consideration of quantity which didn't mean as much before but was hyped up by media and fanatics to give him a chance. Quality wise, Messi takes it and it's not even close. Quality of quantity again is owned by Messi such as iconic moments. Then sadly CR7's own playing field is still edged by Messi though arguably. So where is the basis for comparisons really????? Such a dumb force of a debate.
@@AnimeKingBoysYT Unfortunately it's not really a matter of opinion or personal takes. In 2008, CR7 was the best player in the world and he got his due praises for it and quality wise, many still believe that to have been the best of his peak as an all-around player. Yet people still consider someone like Henry to be the best in EPL history. So Henry's best in the premier league is viewed by many as being better than Ronaldo's best in the premier league. So basically what Ronaldo added to that was quantity such as goals, records and more UCLs which is great yes. This is why many casually remark him to be just a goalscorer (which is not true) simply because he's done way more of that now. But......by contrast, as early as 2010, Messi wasn't only the best in the world, but people started asking...."is this the greatest player in history?". No one asked that of Ronaldo in 2008 or 2009 or even 2012 which was arguably his best year. But for Messi he was already considered in that company for obvious reasons. This was before social media got to this present state ofcourse. So there are levels. Ronaldo at best is in that Thierry Henry level of quality - at best. So my point remains; if quality was all that mattered there are many more special talent legends of the game that would fill up a top 20 list ahead of Ronaldo but you can't discount his quantity hence why you see him rated so high. But even in his quantity, he doesn't have iconic moments to the magnitude of Pele's Messi's or Maradona's at the very least. So it's great footballing injustice imo to place CR7 higher than 4th all time ahead of any of those three.
the following is 100% true, Messi is helped by fifa you aint explaining the penalty against netherlands to me, argentina player stepped in the box before messi shot so the penaltly shouldve been disallowed and the netherlands wouldve went through 2-1.
@@Syncedc4c uh i just think ronaldo is a phenomenon. i actually think ronaldo is muchh much much better beacause messi has had some help from fifa but the stats say ronaldo is better especially the consistency
That's why ronaldo has been a hindrance for man u in the second time he was there, why he was a hindrance for Portugal in the WC and why he was in the team of WORST 11 for the last 2 straight Euro cups? Compared to messi winning the last 2 copa america being the best player of 1, winning the WC by winning the best player for a record braking second WC! Messi has won best player of the tournament award in 7 different tournaments with argentina, where ronaldo has NEVER won at any tournament for Portugal. Its not even close bro, ronaldo never really did anything in a WC outside his performance against Spain in the group stage, and you compare that to the person who is the only player to win the WC Balon d'or on 2 separate occasions?
Exactly and another issue Portugal face is the fact that the managers are too scared to bench him and play more promising talents which then kills the team chemistry
Ronaldo's Era didnt eat 8-2 👍
He ate 5-0 from Messi directly lol
I never knew that Messi is a def or gk 😂
It’s kinda hard to when you constantly glory hunt and go to the best teams, if Ronaldo stayed with Madrid during their worst phase and faced the best Bayern possible do you think he’d single handedly stop them from conceding 8 goals with his defending? I don’t think so, pointless regardless as neither are defenders. But if you want to go that way he ate 5-0 from messi head to head.
There is literally no point in arguing with Ronaldo supporters. You can show them the most CONCRETE FACTS and STATS and they will say “ROBBED, RIGGED, PAID REFS, FIFA BOY.”
This video was straight facts. No opinions. No speculation.
Thanks so much appreciate it bro❤️
factos
So ur saying Ronaldo ain't hated
Cristiano Ronaldo 🐐⚽️
Both Messi and Ronaldo 🐐
bro is literally a Messi fanboy
did u watch the video?
@@Barca_fan17 bruh just look at your username and pfp 😂
Ok just statistically wise was Ronaldo better than Messi? No. Lmao
@@erdkunde4843how does that change anything lmfaoooo 😂😂😂
My opinion was not put into the video and I based it solely off the stats of the two players
Ronaldo paying media to be relevant😂
Debate should’ve ended in 2012 messi was literally being called the goat at 25
@@Syncedc4cI mean to be fair, Ronaldo did win 4 Champions Leagues after 2012 and Messi won 1, so then people called Ronaldo the GOAT until Messi won the World Cup
Yeah that’s a fair point but we also need to remember that stat wise Messi was still way more effective than Ronaldo atleast that begun in 2019 and ahead imo
imo ronaldos better just by looking at the games my opinion tho
What games? Most of his match literally tap in, crying, diving and offside goals@@zeirz0762
It is such a forced debate no one comes close to messi 🐐
No ball Messi stats r better coz from 2002 - 2005 Ronaldo was a midfielder and benched in 2021 and 2022. Messi is the goat by stats but Ronaldo does come close to Messi coz Ronaldo is the most complete player he can score with his right foot, left, head. He has good pens, freekicks, solo goals, volleys, headers, dribbling, skills, long range goals and bicycle. He is the most complete so because of that Ronaldo comes close. If Messi has his main foot cut off and Ronaldo also did, Ronaldo would perform better so it comes close to that.
@@AnimeKingBoysYT Messi is a playmaker but still have a better goal ratio and Messi is better at solo goals dude
@@AnimeKingBoysYT Messi is a playmaker so his job is to make other striker and player to score
@@AnimeKingBoysYT And Messi have 104 goals with right foot and Ronaldo have 129 with left foot and Messi have 200 games lesser than ronaldo.Because of his height he can't score header goals that much
@@Slayerthehunter123 I aint saying Messi aint the goat and i never said Ronaldo was better at solo goals i just said he is good at everything. Also look at Ronaldo stats in Madrid and Messi in Barca. If Ronaldo stayed in Madrid for longer, he stats would be closer but not everyone is with Ronaldo. In Messi Tax Fraud case Barca supported him but in Ronaldo tax fraud case, Madrid didn't support him and he was sold to Juventus and Covid made his career worse
Another thing is that ronaldo did go to different leagues but the funny thing is he won more premier leagues than la ligas even though he only spent like 5 seasons in the prem and 9 in la liga
This shows how much messi dominated ronaldo when they were in the same league
still won more ucls than him
@@SON-jp9fm UCL is more luck than league. One bad game can completely ruin your entire tournament run. In league you have to be consistent throughout the season. Also, Cristiano's teammates won 2 more UCL after he left anyways, so who really carried?
@@jorgeherrera1074 oh please, when Ronaldo arrived to Madrid they weren't at their best, he got them back to their best.
@therealdrk01 "they were average but not really average!"
@@jorgeherrera1074 well if cr7 he couldve achieved lore ucls ? Juve is not Madrid bud easy answer. And ucl is luck ? lmao
Ronaldo is the 🇵🇹🐐
Messi is so clear🐐🐐
It is shameful when people cant count the simple number! Golden shoes:6/4; Golden ball:8/5; trophies:45/34...
In ur logic Harry Kane is worse than Julian Alvarez 🤣
I wouldn’t say trophies decide debates in most cases but even without them I think Messi wine
Wins*
I don't think Ronaldo fans take time and watch Messi videos,or maybe they are biased
I mean their opinion will slightly affect how long they’ll watch the vids on how good he is but it’s all down to them
Messi a player who can be compared with goal scorers assist makers playmakers dribblers chances created. Chances created for open play can be compared with his at the moment okay style against legends was top 1 in free kick for 6 years v Ronaldo a player who is just a goalscorer . Not even a debate. You mentioned Maradona v Pele. If Maradona wasn't drug addict he would surely be better than Pele. Pele in 1958 world cup had much powerhouse team and garrincha carried Brazil. Pele didn't play in 1962 world cup cause of injury but still Brazil won world cup without Pele proves Brazil is fine without Pele. Brazil was a powerhouse in 1970 world cup this is why they won. But Maradona in his drug addict weaker body carried Argentina by himself. Drugdona was Argentina. If Maradona wasn't alcoholic or drug addict he is easily better than Pele.
Oh wow thanks for that information because I honestly didn’t even know that mate. I just knew Brazil was a powerhouse because they won 3 world cups but never knew as many details. Thanks bro and if u have more info please feel free to share
@@Syncedc4c But Pele played against big European league teams and he scored 144 goals in 130 games. Proves he is top tier
@@Syncedc4c pele's only 40%matches were recorded same goes for Maradona.
Facts
But does that mean that when he kept adding goals after his retirement it was actually true?
Balon D'or fun fact:
If we remove their respective Balon D'or competition (ie remove Messi when he won Balon D'or and remove CR7 when he won Balon D'or) then CR7 would have 9 Balon D'or in his Messi-less reality and Messi would have 13 Balon D'or in his CR7-less reality.
That's just insane for both.
True both are goats of this gen but the fans just can’t get along which ruins it a bit icl
@therealdrk01 oh damn, you're right, Messi would have 13!
Not 13 coz of 2016 Griezmann would've won everything
Bros liking all the good Messi comments 💀I also like Messi but the amount of Messi fans in this vid is crazy.
but it’s still Close Ronaldo is just as great, Messi is just a step ahead I would always pick Ronaldo because I also watch his games every teammate would pass it to him knowing damm well he will score to win Messi wins just because the total of d oros and World Cup
To be fair everyone has a right to have different opinions and Ronaldo is great in his own way aswell but let’s just enjoy both of them while we can
@@Syncedc4c yeah I agree 🤝
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Stats are good but Ronaldo is a perfect role model of what a good player should NOT be. Selfish and not at all a team player and probably indulged in play-acting as well. Unfortunately other good players like Mbappe, Garnacho, etc. are following him and risk becoming selfish. The problem with that is modern football will only be won by better teams - not better individual players. I could see that happening in the World cup 2022 and repeated in EURO cup this year.
True point but don’t u think Portugal also have a role to play in that mentality due to them letting him have his way?
Yes I agree Portugal played a big part in it of late - like the EURO cup '24. But I think he had started becoming selfish long back.
you have zero idea what you re talking about
Yeah but the very least someone his age could probably do is atleast let some of the young talent have their chance and play like Suarez did in Uruguay
Nah players should be like Ronaldo. Ronaldo had to endure an entire season of boos. Players now would cry 🤣
Honestly comparing Ronaldo to Messi is basically comparing a striker/Lw /LM to a Playmaker who has played in one club for very long also the reaosn why Messi is clearly better eventhough I support Ronaldo is because the team he was in was meant to be build for him not to mention he stayed there even longer then Ronaldo's time in Madrid not to mention Ronaldo had to buold chemistry after leaving man utd whoch wasnt easy at thw start of the point
If Ronaldo was in Madrid for the same time as Messi his stats would be better. Look at stats for Ronaldo in Madrid and Messi in Barca
Mostly you can't blame Ronny since he just joined Madrid not to mention Barca had very good and independent players who could link up with Messi in certain areas for him to shoot the ball in the net
@@Suii2008 Ronaldo would have at least 7 UCL and 7 ballon d’or if he stayed at Madrid and Messi would have less ballon d’or because Ronaldo would be winning everything if he stayed. Ronaldo 🇵🇹🐐
@@AnimeKingBoysYT Messi outscored ronaldo when they both played for Barca and Madrid so that’s statistically not true lol.
@@davispaul2279eh, Madrid kind of rebuilt after Ronaldo left they started being more independent and using their players more, ie: Vinicius, rodrygo, valverde and benzema being the main man. We don’t know whether or not they’d be the same as cr7 was already declining at that point.
MESSI TECHNICALLY HAS 5 OR EVEN SIX INTERNATIONALS TROPHY OPLYMPIC AND U21
I get baffled as to how the football community downplayed Messi’s Olympic gold medal bc of this debate
@@Syncedc4c maybe
Either way he got a World Cup now so that conversation is over
@@Syncedc4c real now its called ,,rigged"
@@mattix3069if that’s rigged then the euros and nations league Portugal won are also rigged
2hand stroking messi here
there never was a debate. if you know what i mean
I get what u mean😉
bro those ronaldo fans are like dog's tail(not in an abusive manner ) cuz however you try to straighten its tail,it would curl back .so its better to avoid arguments knowing the best player is messi
Factual statement
Cry Ronaldo is close I aint saying Messi rigged everything like the 8 yr old's do but ur acting like one 💀This time in favour of Messi
@@AnimeKingBoysYT ofc you would say this as a ronaldo fanboy, I said the truth yet you did exactly what I explained in my comment 🤣. I'll end this argument as I don't wanna waste my time
@@Iwantdote well u don’t know ball because ain’t no way u say Ronaldo ain’t even close and also I ain’t a Ronaldo fanboy I also like Messi unlike u barking at all fans 💀🤫😂
You made a brilliant video. And you didn't even get to many important facts yet still so one-sided.
If you look at the history of the game you'll find that quality has always taken a bigger percentage to someone's greatness. I name the factors as quality, quantity and quality of your quantity(my emphasis). Hence why you see names like Maradona, Cruyff etc enter these discussions. When you consider these you'll find that Messi easily enters the convo along with Pele as well. But CR7 would barely make a top 20 list(he obviously has world class quality but not to the elite level). What has catapulted him so high is the consideration of quantity which didn't mean as much before but was hyped up by media and fanatics to give him a chance. Quality wise, Messi takes it and it's not even close. Quality of quantity again is owned by Messi such as iconic moments. Then sadly CR7's own playing field is still edged by Messi though arguably. So where is the basis for comparisons really?????
Such a dumb force of a debate.
This is the best take I’ve seen on it so far honestly and yeah I personally think this debate is forced by media and should’ve ended a while ago
No ball Top 20? Aint no way bro says Top 20 bro has no ball 💀As a Ronaldo fan i don't think Messi is top 20 but this is insane
@@AnimeKingBoysYT
Unfortunately it's not really a matter of opinion or personal takes. In 2008, CR7 was the best player in the world and he got his due praises for it and quality wise, many still believe that to have been the best of his peak as an all-around player. Yet people still consider someone like Henry to be the best in EPL history. So Henry's best in the premier league is viewed by many as being better than Ronaldo's best in the premier league. So basically what Ronaldo added to that was quantity such as goals, records and more UCLs which is great yes. This is why many casually remark him to be just a goalscorer (which is not true) simply because he's done way more of that now. But......by contrast, as early as 2010, Messi wasn't only the best in the world, but people started asking...."is this the greatest player in history?". No one asked that of Ronaldo in 2008 or 2009 or even 2012 which was arguably his best year. But for Messi he was already considered in that company for obvious reasons. This was before social media got to this present state ofcourse. So there are levels. Ronaldo at best is in that Thierry Henry level of quality - at best. So my point remains; if quality was all that mattered there are many more special talent legends of the game that would fill up a top 20 list ahead of Ronaldo but you can't discount his quantity hence why you see him rated so high. But even in his quantity, he doesn't have iconic moments to the magnitude of Pele's Messi's or Maradona's at the very least. So it's great footballing injustice imo to place CR7 higher than 4th all time ahead of any of those three.
@@okwyunams8439 What Ronaldo has shined more in his career and play style than Pele and Maradona
@@okwyunams8439 Also Ronaldo in LaLiga was also considered the greatest with Messi and in 2008 everyone knew him as the best
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the following is 100% true, Messi is helped by fifa you aint explaining the penalty against netherlands to me, argentina player stepped in the box before messi shot so the penaltly shouldve been disallowed and the netherlands wouldve went through 2-1.
Stat wise Messi is still better and even if we disregard that I think he still is above but I wanna hear your pov
@@Syncedc4c uh i just think ronaldo is a phenomenon. i actually think ronaldo is muchh much much better beacause messi has had some help from fifa but the stats say ronaldo is better especially the consistency
doing tricks on it tbh, but good vid
It’s just stats but thanks bro
fax!
great vid- im a messi fan
Thanks bro I appreciate it❤️
This is not a debate ronaldo is better
I mean you’re entitled to your own opinion but if we look solely at stats it says otherwise but I’m open to you convincing me otherwise
@@Syncedc4cI once heard a ronaldo fan saying that he was better because he has better abs... I'm not even joking...
Sure😂😂😂
That's why ronaldo has been a hindrance for man u in the second time he was there, why he was a hindrance for Portugal in the WC and why he was in the team of WORST 11 for the last 2 straight Euro cups? Compared to messi winning the last 2 copa america being the best player of 1, winning the WC by winning the best player for a record braking second WC! Messi has won best player of the tournament award in 7 different tournaments with argentina, where ronaldo has NEVER won at any tournament for Portugal. Its not even close bro, ronaldo never really did anything in a WC outside his performance against Spain in the group stage, and you compare that to the person who is the only player to win the WC Balon d'or on 2 separate occasions?
Exactly and another issue Portugal face is the fact that the managers are too scared to bench him and play more promising talents which then kills the team chemistry