Christian Reaction to Behemoth O Father O Satan O Sun!!!
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Nergal; the singer /song writer of Behemoth has a Degree in Philosophy and Education. He doesn't believe in a Physical Satan, he is just reveling against the Catholisism he grew up in. This Album was also written after he survived Cancer and he wanted to prove he hadn't lapsed back into Cristian faith.
Now this was the comment I was looking for. Hats of to you, Sir!
His girlfriend is also a supermodel.
Denver COder was. Him and Doda broke up years ago
Thank you for this comment! Nergal is highly intelligent and intellectual. His book was really insightful. The dude is not only talented, but he knows his shit too lol really cool guy.
Oh yea I have long respected Nergal for the symbology and the depth of the lyrics and he can convey through his songs.
Nergal, The frontman of Behemoth, studied history for six years at the University of Gdansk in Poland which included one year of Latin. He's actually fully qualified to be a museum curator technically speaking.
That's why his lyrics are so clever and intelligent, he's actually a really smart dude.
He's a very smart feller that's for certain.
This is behemoth most beautiful song I love the melody of it. O father o satan o sun it’s a poetic masterpiece
Except this song is lifted directly from Liber Samekh, however I do tend to agree that the philosophical and occult references in his lyrics are brilliant
OK so this song is Thelemic not satanic.. Its based on a ritual called Liber Samekh which was around before lavey. The last part of this song is the ritual verbatim.. It's the ritual that Crowley used to invoke his Daimon and it is the template for the invocation of the Daimon or "personal genius" of a practicing Thelemite. Akophalos is the name of the artists Daimon. This song is a ritual done by the artist as a means of invoking his highest Self. The reason the name "Satan" can be used here and not actually be "Satanic" stems from the way Thelema frames the concept of Deity. That these are names to describe certain psychological processes and phenomena instead of seeing them as actual objective "gods" and "goddesses". Therefore we can use the potencies of the psychological associations of these particular deity as well as the phenomena they represent as " ingredients " if you will, to the desired goal. Any Deity can be used from any religion, Kali, Tahiuti, Aphrodite.. Vedic, Egyptian, Greek.. Any Deity that symbolises the desired force. In this case being libration from restrictions and limitation, as Satan has the psychological association of being both the liberator of man and the opposition to the previously dominant psychic frame of the collective, the patriarchal, oppressive and misanthropic Abrahamic Theologies. "Whirl the wheel". Satan also gives the fruit to man and therefore bestows upon his knowledge. He liberates man in the myth. He is analogous to Prometheus who steals the fire from the gods and gives it to man. The " Sun" reference here in the song represents the spiritual center of man.
The word you're looking for is "archetype". But, yes, thank you for your comment.
93!
I couldn’t have said it better. This song is filled with Thelemic concepts. It’s almost verbatim the Bornless One ritual, also known as Liber Samekh.
I want to see them respond to this
Nergal certainly knows his Zohar.
The best part of this video was when the song was playing.
As always
The second best part is when the chick spoke aloud the Oath of Liber Samekh at 30:42
The best part is not clining it
*nerd glasses, fedora, waist coat and pocket watch* Actually Behemoth is Blackened Death Metal.
Luciffrit what about your neckbeard? Is it well kept?
It's the most magnificent and majestic that there ever was!
Luciffrit good to hear!
truth.
There's the elitist dueche bag...
The entire album was created as a big middle finger to Poland. Nergal (vocalist/writer) suffered from leukemia before making this album and managed to live through all of this while the majority of the Polish population (58% of Poland identifies as Roman Catholic) told him that he deserved it.
Now imagine that your home country tells you that you deserve the pain and suffering that you went through just because of the extreme music you've been making... in all honesty, while I know that the previous Behemoth albums also had a lot of satanic messages, I believe that back then it was all about being rebelious and edgy. ("look at us making extreme music and worhipping satan like the cool kids!!!!") and while I do preffer those albums alot more because of the sound they had, this album had a message for every outcast feeling left down by the environment they're living in.
Therefor I believe that modern satanism as portrayed in this song is not about worhsipping the (litteral) devil, but more about standing up for yourself and all the other people that feel left out by society.
((excuse me for my english))
Your English was great. Terrible they told him he deserved it! I’m glad he’s well. Thank you for the history
Greetings!
Well put. 🤘
Those kind of people are the ultimate assholes.
If you are not Christian, you deserve pain. If you are Christian, God is testing you.
Nyarda sir that was great
The singer of Behemoth is extremely smart you guys should read his book and review it
"gOd dOeS nOt eXisT, cHriStIaNiTy iS bAd" omqqqq hes sooooo intelligent
Did you actually watch the videos VinAnd Sori made about Behemoth? Watched any Interview with Nergal?
There is soooooooo much more than "God is not real" and "Christianity is bad" to it, although a big middle-
finger towards (polish-)catholicism will probably always be the core^^
Lena Gotti I’m pretty sure it’s his degrees and writing that show his intelligence. Just me?
@@KCgrunge Emo girl reaction: ✔
"gOd eXiSts, SaTanIsM iS BaD" hurr durr. See? The same thing can be applied to both sides.
You're leaving out Prometheus. The ancient thief of divine fire or divine 'knowledge'...it's an interpretation of the story of Prometheus and how he risked everything to provide wisdom, knowledge, critical thinking and intuition to humanity. Things modern day Christians don't like. Satanists see Satan or Lucifer as a Promethean Figure. A giver of knowledge and critical thinking rather than a bringer of rules and authority.
Satanist don't believe in satan
@@Damuworld Not really true, there are two main types: Rationalistic Satanism and Theistic Satanism. Rationalistic is more... they don't actually believe Satan is real but they approach this differently.
Theistic Satanism groups pretty much believe he IS real, some believe hes the only god, others believe him more in the context of Christianity in that he was a angle cast down and there is God AND Satan and they worship Satan or they believe in a specific type of Satan mentioned in one bible or another (or they don't believe in Satan but in Lucifer).
This is just a generalization is there are many groups with many different beliefs and thoughts. But the point is... some Satanists DO believe him to be real.
@@Damuworld
Then they're not satanist, call it another name.
@@Qliphirot They use satan as a symbol of rebellion and pride.
@SLAMO sorry but this is not true, the fall of Lucifer has nothing to do with intellect, on the contrary it shows how once beautiful intelligent being full of light destroys itself because of self-generated pride, because he wanted to be like his creator
The Bornless one is not Satan. "The Book of the Goetia of Solomon the King"- edited by Aleister Crowley, has a ritual used to invoke “The Bornless One”, a spirit that both good and evil are passive toward. Using the Bornless one you can speak with Spirits, angels and Demons.
"Hear Me, and make all Spirits subject unto Me: so that every Spirit of the Firmament
and of the Ether; upon the Earth and under the Earth: on dry Land and in the Water: of Whirling Air, and of rushing Fire: and every Spell and Scourge of God may be obedient unto Me."
is from "The Bornless one Ritual"
"Thou spiritual Sun! Satan, Thou Eye, Thou Lust! Cry aloud! Cry aloud! Whirl the Wheel, O my Father, O Satan, O Sun! Thou, the Saviour! Silence! Give me Thy Secret! Give me suck, Thou Phallus, Thou Sun! Satan, thou Eye, thou Lust! Satan, thou Eye, thou Lust! Satan, thou Eye, thou Lust! Thou self-caused, self-determined, exalted, Most High!"
is a quote from "Magick Book IV : Liber ABA" by Aleister Crowley from Ch. 21 : Of Pacts with the Devil
So i interpret the the song as a guide on how to make a pact with Satan.
but then again i could be way off, this could be just a song of admiration for Aleister Crowley
by Nergal , after all this is art.
-sincerely, your friendly neighborhood Satanist
Whoa that’s interesting info! U should come on the show! -Sori
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Very good. Yet the depiction of the headless figure depiction in the Goetia leaves an open interpretation of Akephalos. Did you also notice this in the book? It leads me to believe that the reference of “bornless one” is still Akephalos himself.
The Bornless Ritual isn't a guide to make a pact with Satan. That's a christian idea. The Bornless Ritual, from the Liber Samekh is the re-pagination of an ancient egyptian ritual for exorcism, brought up by Aleister Crowley for the attainment of the Knowledge and Conversation with the Holy Guardian Angel, God's messenger and the Higher Self, a concept taken from the medieval grimoire "The Book of the Sacred Magic of Abramelin the Mage". That's thelemic holy music.
In fact you can go far beyond in the concept of the Bornless one. Take this point as a starter: All religions came from lenguage and different form of divinity. The image of PAN, in the Greek mythos, talk to us about an entity that existed before lenguage, representing the wild nature of human kind. Then, callin on to the bornless one is a direct call on that figure that tends to be linked with the primordial void. So in fact what Aleister did, was connecting his spirit with Pan. Read about it on "The Soma" and " The book of the horned one" . :))!
It's a response to the oppressive religiosity of Poland. Nergal believes in none of it, it's just about the character of being an outcast and adversary. He's a lovely person.
That’s why we HAVE to talk to him!!
There is no oppressive religiosity in Poland. But yes, catholic church has power to impact on authorities.
I hope he knows paganism was here long before christianity
Uknown Uknown so what
JAMES LEVELL I mean I also believe that people were worshipping the Creator as well as the creation from the beginning. just because Christ wasn't on the earth yet doesn't mean people weren't worshipping God first
JAMES LEVELL and you can believe that too, peace and blessings brother 🙏🏽
Dude it dosent matter what was before that god was from THE beginning of Times and satan also. And satan did His work and created false gods to worship instead of God. And god made a promise to Abraham Long before Jesus came to this Earth. And THE promise was that Jesus Will come to Earth and die for our sins i am a ex satanist or more like devilworshipper. And then god saved me from him. After i became Christian. I have seen satan and His demons for real. And he is only full of hate lies and anger. He hate US even His own followers. But i respekt you its your own choise.
@@petriojala788 worshipping satan would also mean belSatanist. Christian God which would make that person a "heretic Christian" not a satanist.
"This is derivative, unlike christianity"
My sides.
dreihaddar exactly, I hate how Christians disregard every other religion and belief, everything that's not Christian is sinful and negetive to them
As a Christian, this is pretty far from the truth. I myself have a number of good friends who are Atheists, Agnostics, and Islamic, and I could care less what god(s), if any, they believe in. I believe that 99.99% of Christians in this world hold nothing against those of other religions and we treat them with the exact same respect as we would ourselves. I can sort of see where you are coming from, but just know that is not how the vast majority of Christians think.
@@tswizzlemcbizzle This is a pretty new trend. Most of us grew up in Christian households or communities that were oppressive.
In the early 90s, late 80s at least.
This is why once we drop Christianity we go for the exact opposite, either pure atheism or satanism.
Pretty much everything there is from christianity as far as structures and beliefs come from previous pagan beliefs. So, definitely not in the wrong there.
@@tswizzlemcbizzle It may be far from the truth for you personally, but it is dead on in reality. Most of us who take issue with your faith and its followers do so in response to multiple negative encounters and experiences with xian believers. And this is not a new trend, it's been happening for millennia. But, as you say, it is not the experience of all of us.
I love how you guys genuinely listened to the song and broke down the lyrics and thought about what they were saying if you sit down and listen to Behemoth you will find out just how smart the band members actually are they are very intelligent and know and believe in what their message is they dont use their music genre and image just to make money
Semi-genius level, we’ve got s few more reviews of them
@@VinAndSori you can never tell how truly genius someone is unless your understanding surpasses theirs and that is highly unlikely and visibly evident as such. From the perspective of someone who is mediocre(like yourself), true genius will never be seen as such. There are many many assumptions which cripple your ability to truly break down the song as intended. Someone of your identity(being Christian) will ultimately never grasp the full issue at hand unless you were to be genuinely introspective in an open and honest sense but being Christian, ironically, that will never happen. Jesus has fogged your vision and he has deceived you for all time for he has always been the satan you say you shoo off. One day you may find out how much you have served satan within your own beliefs, and further more that those who openly give thanks to “satan”(nature, biology, and chaos) are counter intuitively worshipping the one and only God as being truly divine. If you do become aware enough to make such conclusions, you’ll realize that the whole story is flipped on its head and the implications are exactly opposite of what you intent, for Jesus and his god are merely the Demi urge which “formed a heaven of what it stole from the abyss” -William Blake. “Jesus” is satan and “satan” is God, the deceiver has led you to believe that he is the one who is most divine when that is something the deceiver would say.
@@connorrekdahl3754 💯 . To simplify for people I like to point out all the true evil committed by and for God and Christ over the centuries. . .
@@deeman7405 exactly! Tho I take a much more modest approach to this today
@@deeman7405 By your same lgogic if you're not truly good like Jesus then how can you say something was evil? Maybe those people killing in the name of God know something you don't. Either way God rules and you drool nerd
I think Behemoth's "Satan" is more of a neo-pagan or Wiccan metaphor. They refer to the father, like Odin - the all-father of the Norse gods, the god of wisdom and poetry, who was also known as The Wanderer, as he disguised himself as a wanderer in the Gylfaginning story. The song refers to "thou wanderer, father of all". Then they refer to the sun, like Ra and Apollo, the Egyptian and Greek gods of the sun. "Agathos Daimon" is also spoken of. Agathodaemon is a spirit of vineyards and grain in Greek mythology.
"Whirl the wheel, O my father, O Satan, O Sun" - the wheel is a symbol for the year and cycle of the seasons in many neo-pagan religions.
In Wiccan neo-paganism, there is a ritual called "Drawing down the Sun" and in the song, the singer says "bring down the sun". This is a ritual to gain strength from the sun god.
"Faustian luminary" - Faustian being someone who sacrifices them self or their soul, but a luminary is a light-giving object, such as the sun or the moon. So this implies embracing the power of the sun, or perhaps a sun-god, I would say.
I don't believe this is worship of a literal biblical, "evil" Satan, though there are biblical references, but I believe much of it is also poetic device. This "Satan" is more a metaphor for the sun, the bringer of warmth, life, crops - "ignite the seed" etc. The sun is the bornless one in the sense that, as far as human history is concerned, the sun has always existed and has never been born.
This song seems to be a mash-up of pagan and neo-pagan mythology, combined with Christian imagery too. I think the songwriter is well aware of the depth of Christianity in his terminology. I think he embraces it all. For him, God, Satan, the Sun, Ra, Apollo, the Universe, Odin - they are all one and the same. Just opinions though.
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+1 You know your stuff and i agree with this analogy.
if you read upon other lyrics of BEHEMOTH and also dig into some interviews (not only behemoth, but also other black metal bands that cover that subject lyrically) you can see that you are on point with your thoughts. in general, if you get into "occult" knowledge or also satan being compared to Set or Loki in egyptian and norse mythology/religion, you begin to grasp th concept or allegory the tales tell you. "Occult" means literally covered, so the meaning is covered in religious tales. There is no real deity of god or satan. Instead, it is about life. Both reside in us. No one can say they are no sinner a 100%. Everyone was "evil" in some way or another. But also every human being is capable of love, forgiveness or reformation. the mythological stories are just archetypes at play that shall teach us how to live a good life or how to bring structure and order into a cosmos that by very definition lends towards chaos. Life itself, seem from a biochemical standpoint, is nothing else: The emergence of order from chaos at the cost of energy that is needed to maintain that order.
there Norwegian so yah
Are they now?
@blazRa they're actually Polish, not Norwegian. Great original comment and quite accurate. You might find that a lot of the Black metal Satanism is actually more about a rebellion against Christianity which was a middle eastern forced religion bringing repression upon the traditional European belief systems. Adam 'Nergal' Darski the lead singer for Behemoth is very outspoken about the repression of the Christian government in Poland, drawing the attention of the authorities more than once. Very interesting guy and quite a positive character.
This song is one of the most epic, and perfect album closers in metal music history! It has SUCH a feeling of neat, summing-up of a journey the character went on, and the conclusion he came to.
"I'm most complete, yet so undone" for me it's a statement about improving your self. When you think you have achieved a higher state you realize that you still have not summited the peak. That's also why I like satanisim because it's honest about human nature, the more you try to cast out the shadows the darker they become.
And why you like satanism? Because it's not honest at all...
@@AnalyticalSceptic You want to go into the philosophy of honesty ?
@@BaphomentIsAwsome666 Yes, enlighten me please, I want to go into philosophy of satanism also, why are you attracted to satanism, what have you found in Satanism and not for example in Christianity or anywhere else?
@@AnalyticalSceptic I flirt with a lot of ideas and i'm still relativity young to make a claim to a single idea. I think life can be seen as an art project and for me that means a singular idea that explains the chaos of life. I like saying i'm a Satanist because some people get a little rattled by it that's really about it but i do like what they say, not all off it but a fair amount.
@@BaphomentIsAwsome666 been through that phase so i get it.
Im an ex muslim atheist (agnostic if we're really gonna be truthful about this). But yeah, i still dip my toes in the occult world because it's just fascinating. It's like the non canon stuff of many many old religions. The ideas are stolen and Abraham-ized.
And behemoth is one of the best to do it successfully. Nergal is a genius guy.
How has nobody suggested Deicide? Their whole thing is to destroy deities.... it's in their name.
Check out our “Christians react to black metal” update vid !
VinAnd Sori , sorry, I guess I should have watched that first. lol. I just found you two so I'm trying to catch up.
In fairness, Decide are death metal.
molochz Yeah that's true.
xXLerøy NajatahnXx yeah they've got all of 3 good songs.
O Father O Satan O Sun is my absolute favorite song by Behemoth \m/
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My too, top song
No satanism is not Do what thou wilt that is A quote by a hardcore Magician named Alister Crowley he did ancient Egyptian magik
Wasn't LaVeyan Satanism highly influenced by the works of Alistair Crowley and Thelema though?
First of all, his name was Aleister. The least you can do is google his name. Secondly, what the fuck is a "hardcore magician"? You realize magic isn't real, right? Anyone who tells you otherwise is a liar or a fool.
@@ChrisJohnson1988 What the fuck😂
@@danieln6613
And still laveyan atheism has nothing to do with thelema. LaVey was even influenced by Ayn Rand.
Yes indeed Crowley was the inspiration For LeVay Satanic Bible and He is very much the Grandaddy of modern Satanic believes love is the law Love under will 93
Behemoth are one of my favourite bands. Most of the reaction videos I've seen about their music is Christians over exaggerating about the words and saying how bad it is. Was good to see how open minded you both are
They’re far less open minded then they appear. Their position is riddled with assumptions that really restrict them from making any profound judgments about the subject matter. They appear open but that’s the face they are playing as Christians. They are still fundamentalists ultimately and that will mentally imprison them until or if they outgrow that
The band you were talking about is Mayhem. Vocalist called himself Dead,and ended up shooting himself. Euronymous got stabbed by Varg Vikernes, because of a fight. Non of them where satanist, it was all about the image. An image that provokes.
So I’ve heard !
I remember all of the Varg Vikernes memes that came out of that :')
TheNorwegianGhoul again I stress XD people should watch 'until the light takes us'
Actually Euronymous planed to torture Varg to death in a forest. Of course he killed him before Euronymous had the chance to do so. It was not about the image. Kill of become. Euronymous was the guy that wanted the good image. He was the idiot.
TheNorwegianGhoul not to mention the satanic image wasn't exactly Vargs but a media projected image. Varg allegedly didn't even burn down all the churches he was convicted of burning and certainly not in the name of Lucifer. 😅😂
The thing about Behemoth is that their lyrical content is completely steeped in Nergal's (vocalist) knowledge of the Occult. The Occult being a body of knowledge which is hidden or mystical (hence the name "Occult") and a body of knowledge which is NOT at all rooted in any way in Satanism. Things like Kabbalah (the ancient Hebrew occult tradition) and Hermeticism fall under the umbrella term of Occultism. So to even half-way understand the lyrical content of Behemoth one would have to study in depth the wealth of knowledge within the many traditions and philosophies of the Occult. Nergal, as well as the other members of Behemoth DO NOT believe in a literal devil, they believe Satan is an archetypal figure standing for a certain type of spiritual, physical and intellectual freedom who shares traits with the likes of mythological figures such as Prometheus. The message of Behemoth is primarily "think for yourself, look deeper and question everything, then create your own path." I was a christian for many years until I decided to study the knowledge of the Occult. It changed my life and allowed me the courage to confront my doubts and my questions about life. I love Behemoth because they stand for true freedom from bondage of any kind, they simply express this in a radical way which is meant to be thought provoking. Music with a message folks.
Couldn't have said it any better.
Best comment ever...
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Best answer
as well there is Kryzstof Azarewicz who is a thelemite and a incredibly intelligent, scholarly fellow and he has also written many of the lyrics for Behemoth - if you learn about the concepts and philosophy of Magick and Will that Crowley wrote so much upon then you can also find alot of further meaningin Behemoths lyrics
in fact in this song much of the lyrics are straight from Crowleys rendition of the Bornless Ritual (Ritual of the Headless one), Liber Samekh - i ritual to help bring about one's knowledge and conversation with their Holy Guardian Angel, a kind of sped up version of the Abramelin
Wow! I never read as much intelligent comments in a video like in this one! Really, really interesting and intelligent comments here. Thanks for sharing all your knowledge and backgroundinformations! A just got answered a few complex questions I had on Nergal by reading the comments for a few minutes!
it is interesting how they state that satan is dependent on god to exist, yet the opposite is also true. i mean it is merely the thought of satan and eternal damnation which inspires running towards "milk and honey". But anyway like they said behemoth is truly poetic, and their vehemence and intelligent music is why they're in my top five.
and also i dont appreciate how they were just hammering the concept of the "bornless one". not everything is black and white. There are subtleties to concepts. For me bornless one can be feeling without an acceptable beginning, or one of your perceived standard.
So I'm not a Satanist, but I looked into it for a bit and I've had friends who are.
My understanding is that it's not even as intense as "You can become Satan". It's just that a lot of people view Satan is a symbol of freedom from a biblical sense of guilt and shame over being human. A lot of it is the thought of "Why should enjoying life be considered a sin? I shouldn't feel ashamed to want food or sex etc.". Satan's just a representation. Also, they still have some tenets that pretty much come down to "Do what makes you happy, don't bother people, and don't hurt anyone- especially children." It's really not as extreme as people think. It's just hedonism with a mascot.
I've said it before, but I really dig that you guys were able to just say "This was really cool music"! It's cool to see someone approach some of the weirder metal with such open minds.
The metal was undeniable. “Hedonism with a mascot” that’s brilliant... check out our review of “a perfect circles” “Hollow” when you get the time, lemme know what you think
Exactly
I am a Satanist and I will confirm that you are correct.
@ Jack Kelley "It's just hedonism with a mascot."
LOL. Couldn't have said it better myself! Good one! My question is...why should somebody feel the need to adopt a 'symbol' or 'mascot' that they don't believe in? Call hedonism and atheism for what it is and embrace it that way. All you are doing by portraying a false symbol as a gimmick is to just stir trouble and be an asshole to other groups. If you want to 'live and let live', then respect for other's beliefs should be part of that. Throwing 'Satan' who you don't believe in, in someone's face falsely is just being a shit disturber at best and a hypocrite.
I'm totally guessing, but I think it's a few reasons. One is that a lot of people who turn to Satanism grew up in an oppressively Christian environment. When you're constricted in a certain way, you want to push back accordingly. Christian values condemning pride and lust and all that are turned into hedonism where these are all things to celebrate. It's kind of a way to be like "You tried to make me X, so I took that and twisted it into something else." Satan was a pre-existing figure, so he's easy to draw from.
Another is that it just helps to have a symbol. If Satan is the inverse of god and god says to deny lust and pride, etc., then Satan is to celebrate it. It's just a convenient figure who happens to fit the values that you want to embrace.
I also think that Satanism has a strict stance towards embracing individualism and personal growth and opposing anything that would hinder that. I think people would consider strict tenets like those in Christianity to be hindering their individualistic expression and growth so some may not feel be bothered by seeming disrespectful.
I'm not taking any stances in saying all this. This is just my general idea from what I've read.
Well, Behemoth actually were black metal. Their demos and two first albums. Then they changed into Blackened Death. They sound different, especially if compared to the so called "True" Black. "True" Black is minimalistic, often has lo-fi recording, which is why it's also called Raw Black metal.
Black metal bands tend to favor raspy, high-pitched vocals,like screaming and such, growling (almost like in this song) is rare, but also present. Lyrics include Satanism, Paganism (well, it's Paganism to Christians, to them it's theirs faith and beliefs), occult themes, war, nature, misantropy. If you put more depression and sorrow and misanthropy, add suicide in the mix and decrease the speed of playing (also greatly increasing the time to get very long song), you'll get DSBM - Depressive Suicidal Black metal. Something like that. I will not talk about subgenres, it's too long to write.
P.S. I'm Russian therefore English isn't my native language therefore there will be mistakes.
P.P.S. Guys, you are great. Intelligent, open to something new, analyzing, analytical, objective and so on. Would love to see more of you!
Thank you! It was a great break down. Your English is better than my Russian dosvedanya!!
Dosvedanya is nice, though. I'm just... having a feeling, that i am a dog. Understand all, but can't write.
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Glad you brought up how Satanists don't actually believe in Satan as an actual entity or even worship him at all, instead they're all about Individualism, and if you want to get political they share a lot of the same views with libertarianism, with some differences, if you watch interviews with Nergal (singer/song writer of Behemoth) he's the perfect example of what a Satanist really is. They aren't evil people that worship the Devil, recommend reading the Satanic Bible, I'm a Pastafarian (so basically an Atheist since FSMism is a joke religion) but I love Mythology, Philosophy, Religion, etc.
this is LaVey satanism. there are more types of satanism, there are also those who believe Satan is real and it's the actual one who gave knowlege and freedom to human kind, but it's not worshipping at all it's more like Satan is the teacher and satanists his students, cause if there is just one thing all kinds of satanism have in common is freedom and being free, free from the chains of ignorance christianity brings with itself, free from society judgment, free from moral rules that, once again, christianity likes so fucking much (and I'm not talking about killing and raping children, things that LOL the church does and loves, I'm talking about being respectful of other's boudaries but doing whatever you want). the one that everyone is scared about and that true satanists hate is "acid satanism" which basically is just an excuse for criminals to be criminals "in the name of satan", not even fundamentalists, just dickheads. do people who make rituals and black masses and evoke demons exist? sure. is it true? lol not for me, for me it's the same magical bullshits christians do, hell I'm an atheist! but i do love Satan as a philosophical figure and I love the Baphomet figure (the famous one from Eliphas Levi) that it's basically a cooler and spookier version of the yin and yang thing
I am an Atheist and I also enjoy black metal music. I believe this series of videos are very interesting to watch and I applaud you for being open-minded enough to give your perspective.
I can't speak for the members of Behemoth because I'm not in their heads and I've never watched any of their interviews, but many black metal bands (even back in the day) are not so much about praising Satan but about anti-christianity. From interviews to satanists that I've seen, they don't like all the damage that christianity has done throughout the centuries. How they are all in their high horses of moral superiority when they are just as twisted and wretched as everybody else. However, most modern satanists are actually atheists, so they don't praise Satan, because they don't even believe it exists. Back to music, for many other bands, it isn't even about religion. It's more about the ambient and sound landscapes that black metal creates. It's more of a cinematic experience, like you said. Just like someone who makes a movie about a demonic possession is not necessarily a satanist and someone who makes a slasher movie isn't necessarily a psychopath, the same applies to black and death metal bands, respectively. In fact, going back to the ambient part, there is a whole subgenre call atmospheric black metal (which I personally find beautiful) that focuses more on the paganism side of black metal often in terms of praising nature, like ancient religions did. Finally, the reason why satanism borrows so much from christianity is because they want to twist it and deform it and mock it and insult it, and what better way to do it than to take christian symbolism, passages from the bible, etc. and make them their own. Which is why the symbol of the Anti-Christ is an upside down cross, the witching hour or devil's hour is 3 a.m. (because Jesus was crucified at 3 p.m.), etc.
Disclaimer: I am an agnostic atheist, but I was raised Catholic in a Catholic country, I went to a Catholic school and a Catholic university.
The band you couldn't remember is Mayhem. Euronymous didn't take satanism seriously. Varg Vikerens who was on bass at the time is a raving lunatic, stabbed him to death, claiming self defense. The singer that shot himself had cotard's delusion (google it). A picture was taken, but they themselves didn't use it as an album cover. Someone outside the band got a hold of it and used it for a BOOTLEG live recording, Dawn of the Black Hearts. Mayhem isn't satanic, or rather, they talked about it a bit, before later lineups moved on to war and real world problems. 2nd wave black metal wasn't strictly satanic, few bands were, they were pagan, in that they believed in their ancestors' beliefs.
Varg is not a lunatic, he was right to do what he did. He also had a small pocket knife, it takes quite a bit to kill someone, especially chubby Euronymous.
How much is Thulean Perspective paying you?
Nothing, you can actually go to Norway if you like and see the fact that the police had the evidence that he was protecting himself against Euronymous BUT since its a libtard state as we can see today he still went to jail.
lmfao you actually buy Varg's story. Okay. Stabbed 37 times in self defense. Get the fuck out of here.
Didn't one of them eat some brains as well?
i'm not a satanist but this song means so much to me because it has a meaning of struggling through hardships beneath the religious and mythological metaphors, considering nergal was battling leukemia while making the album. this is my interpretation though! i'd also recommend listening the song with the same name, "the satanist". it's like nergal's victory song after his battle with cancer.
also it's so nice to see smart commentary about black metal (or in this case, blackened death metal) from a different perspective.
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The singer of behemoth is a Lucifer follower not satanism, not American satanism
When you're a christian and you bump behemoth about 50 times a day 😂
Lol REPENT!! the metal was crazy though
Glad it's not just me dude. Conquer All, Left Hand ov God, The Reign of Shemsu-hor...everyday dude.
i can relate to you
Ex muslim, atheist here. Pretty much the same. Especially these pagan or old religion influenced bands (Behemoth, Batushka, Gorgoroth, Thy Antichrist etc etc)
@@DarthwRath I’m an ex-christian, me. I personally love these bands and their message, I care not if people don’t praise my lords the devils. Atheism? Ridgy didge. Buddhism? Ridgy didge. Hinduism? Ridgy didge. Wicca? Ridgy didge. To each their own, yet one man’s right to swing his arm ends where another man’s face begins. Science is a beautiful thing. It’s refreshing to meet another person of liberated mind in such a corner of the internet as this.
Don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet but Nergal has a side project called "Me and That Man" in which he does this kind of dark Johnny Cash style music.
MY CHURCH IS BLACK.. MATM IS AWESOME
23**. As an atheist and fan of behemoth, I found this really interesting to listen to neutrally.
I'm not really sure if Behemoth are serious devil worshipers, or just edgy guys whose tight ass catholic parents drove them away from Christianity, but if they are honest to God Satan lovers, I do think that they have relatively different beliefs about Satan, God, and their roles in the universe (bornless one, Satan is eternal and such yadda yadda). From what I have read of their lyrics, and kind of assumed myself, it seems they view Satan as a true embodiment of freedom, and feel like God manipulates them and ties them down. Kind of a "Why shouldn't we have the knowledge of good and evil" attitude. They don't seem to genuinely be evil like Euronymous, or Varg (the band was Mayhem btw), I think they view Satan as, if not a force of good, then at least as a neutral force of nature or something like that. I dont know its 5am and your video has already kept me up past my bedtime so this may seem like kind of a ramble, dont mind me.
Seriously, aside form the whole worshiping the devil, Nergal is a pretty swell guy.
I guess no one believes in "Satan" aside christians.
Some posers do 😁
23:30 I believe the exact opposite is true. The desire to worship is always inserted as an idea into children.
Christianity took everything from paganism, its not original either
What exactly did Christianity take from paganism? -Sori🤟🏻
VinAnd Sori The rainbow(eastern religion), christmas(norse/celtic religion), The flood myth(epic of gilgamesh), resurrection myths(multiple religions), the 10 commandments(code of hamurabbi). That just a small amount of the ideas/myths they took from other belief systems that came before them. Technically most religions borrow some stuff from eachother.
Not to mention every Catholic Church in northern Europe with built with slave labor completely against the wishes anybody spoke out against it the Catholic church burn them alive for heresy and there was already Nordic temples and altars there and they killed the mystics who maintain the temples and altars I know no religion is free of its bloodshed but Christianity has more Blood on its hands than all other religions combined and I'm pretty sure no other religion spend a thousand plus years politically economically and spiritually oppressing an entire continent
Cameron Smith who cares about pagans. Its a dead faith and you're just larping loser . Fuck paganism
Totally agree. Pagans predate any religion, ie Easter, Christmas . They stole the winter solstice and spring equinox. Both are very important.
Great discussion. But, a side note please don't compare Opeth to Behemoth.
Why not ya ibn rahman ? 🧐
Well, they are totally different bands, Opeth have hit their stride 20 years ago and they've always been delivering ever since and they constantly got of their comfort zone and always succeeded, to the point where the last couple of albums can be easily categorized as a mixture between progressive rock and Jazz fusion. Behemoth on the other hand while they've actually launched their career with Opeth they haven't really struck gold until they released The Satanist -sure there are couple of good tracks here and there- which is one of the best metal albums ever, period. To recap, two different bands with different genres and history.
I truly think you both are a magnificent couple..
thank you for not only finding one another but also for being so understanding of beliefs that differ from your own
I have a great respect for you both.
Thank you !
Remember the part where he says lion serpent sun? Google demiurge and you will see a picture of a serpent with a lion head with a sun disc around it's head.
Also, "Do what thou wilt, shall be the whole of the law" is not LaVey, and its not explicitly Satanic...
It's actually Aleister Crowley who wrote that, and its a tenant of Thelema, a sort of Occult Mystery School type Religion of sorts. A kind of offshoot of Hermeticism. And it's not inherently "evil" or whatever. Its merely secret, and hidden knowledge passed through orders to initiates, people who basically had to be considered worthy of such knowledge.
Crowley wrote the "Law of Thelema" which in fullness reads, "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the law, love under will."
Which he really just stole from François Rabelais. Written specifically in his book(s) Gargantua and Pantagruel, basically a 5-part epic about two giants.
Book 1 Chapter 54: How the Thelemites were governed, and of their manner of living.
"All their life was spent not in laws, statutes, or rules, but according to their own free will and pleasure. They rose out of their beds when they thought good; they did eat, drink, labour, sleep, when they had a mind to it and were disposed for it. None did awake them, none did offer to constrain them to eat, drink, nor to do any other thing; for so had Gargantua established it. In all their rule and strictest tie of their order there was but this one clause to be observed,
Do What Thou Wilt;
because men that are free, well-born, well-bred, and conversant in honest companies, have naturally an instinct and spur that prompteth them unto virtuous actions, and withdraws them from vice, which is called honour...."
Which basically says that a virtuous life is inherent. Good is inherent. We aren't born wanting to harm and kill and maim. Love is inherent.
And if some scoff at that sentiment, here's the next line in the chapter:
"Those same men, when by base subjection and constraint they are brought under and kept down, turn aside from that noble disposition by which they formerly were inclined to virtue, to shake off and break that bond of servitude wherein they are so tyrannously enslaved; for it is agreeable with the nature of man to long after things forbidden and to desire what is denied us."
Which basically says its our conditioning... its society... its how fucked up humanity is that really sews the seeds of negativity, selfishness, hate, what-have-you into our inherently pure state. We learn to be the shitty people we are.... Its something passed down from generation to generation, to hate your neighbor. To hurt the "other". Which, sadly, is something we are having a hell of a terrible time trying to exorcise that predilection from our collective consciousness.
Also, it is thought that Rabelais pretty much stole that from St. Augustine of Hippo, who said, "Love, and do what thou wilt."
So the saying really goes way way back, and doesn't really have much to do with Satanism, specifically.... its just LaVey had a hard-on for Crowley, so he took the idea and warped it into, I can do what I want because blah blah blah, nothing but pursuit of pleasure, jerk off, yadda yadda...
Even in the Thelemic tradition its not inherently a negative statement. Its how the individual interprets it and implements it into their own philosophy... most normal people, as Rabelais put it, can live by that law and be selfless, virtuous, and good... Unfortunately Crowley was massively damaged from his youth, and perhaps was even born with sociopathic tendancies that were only exacerbated by his crazy mother and father who was a priest, which explains the christian imagery in his depravity, in relating to The Beast, in his interest in the Book of Revelation and the implementation of much of the imagery into Thelema, which was mostly Kabbalistic mysticism, Hermeticism, and Eqyptian mythology. But yeah, Crowley was a massively sick fuck, so everyone who doesn't reaaaally understand what these Mystery School Orders, these esoteric forms of study, really mean and involve. Its really not inherently "evil" or even "dark" just as in traditional Magick and Alchemy, there is dark paths and light paths. Just because Crowley's reputation, and really his disgusting life, its seen as a sort of proto-satanic religion... when its really more of a post-pagan religion. Of course most Christians wouldn't be able to differentiate between the two, in the end what I'm trying to say is. "Do what though wilt" shouldn't really be viewed the way a Satanist will view it as "I can do whatever the fuck I want, because there's no God, so fuckit." Keep in mind the "Love is the law, love under will" part... As long as you have a decent head on your shoulders it you can live by this axiom and be a decent human.
P.S. Satanists are fucking stupid.
Whoa dude.. I just read everything you said line for line! That was incredible! We’re doing a podcast soon! Love to have you on the show. Yes it’s true that line did seem familiar, I’m sort of a devotee of Augustine. The man was an absolute master of saying a lot with a little. It’s crazy to me that all that might trace back to him. I’d say AC was sociopathic for sure, and used Satan as an archetypical figurehead to excuse himself for nihilist morality. Thelema is also an interesting thought-path to tread, especially considering all the tool fans in our community. I’m pretty sure the bassist or guitarist is hugely influenced by that particular set of beliefs. Talk about full circle! THANK YOU for taking the time to educate me and us on this! SERIOUSLY!!
LOL... np, I'm just glad someone took the time to read what I wrote out. lol. And if you're talking about the podcast where you're gonna listen to Lateralus, I'm there. I've been enjoying your takes on Tool. Oh, and BTW, its really the drummer, Danny Carey who is super steeped in the Occult. Which is very apparent if you check out his personal website.
( dannycarey.org/library/ )
He even specifically talks about his use of study of sacred geometry and meditation to... uh... "enhance" his drumming... which totally makes sense when you actually hear his absolutely otherworldly play on rhythm, time-signatures, and poly-rhythms in particular. It takes real musical enlightenment to reach the level of mastery that he's achieved. Especially when making it sound (and feel) so effortless, and not jarring to the untrained ear.
Ya that guy... he’s legendary ! Ya we’re also doing a podcast to talk about varieties of subjects like this and other things!
Another band I like very much, even more than Tool, is Killing Joke, they were7are very interested in all things occult and spiritual and well read in sacred geometry, numerology and magick. ruclips.net/video/zwUMy8xOYTc/видео.html
Bleh. Killing Joke more than Tool. You cray. You real real cray. You must be a decade older than me. I just don't really care much for that 80's new wave sound much at all. I know since then they've been much more industrial, and more metal, and more heavy and what have you, but... i dunno... to each their own. Obviously its the occult stuff and the gothy kind of atmosphere that attracts you more, so i can see where you'd be coming from... but its just not my bag. Tool is way more than just trying to be dark for darkness' sake, or obscure for obsurity's sake, or claiming to use their band as some sort of hypersigil or ritual in their Magickal practice. And thats all good, and interesting, and makes for a cool path to follow with their body of work. It's kind of like Grant Morrison's use of Chaos Magick with his creation of his graphic novel opus "The Invisibles" and again, its pretty cool, and interesting...
But I'm really not all that into Magick and Occult. Its interesting to me in an anthropological sense and fun to read about and try to grasp and what-have-you... but I'd honestly rather study Existential Philosophy, or Jungian Psychology, or Buddhism, or Gnosticism, or probably a dozen other facets of theology, history, and philosophy than try to decipher Crowley's densely convoluted pose poetry of some obscure ritual. I just think I've really delved as deep as what interests me in the whole world of the Occult, and Magick Orders, and what have you without actually wanting to practice it and participate in it as my own spiritual endeavors. Basically, you really have to commit to it to really want to have deeper knowledge of it than I care to have.
There's still interesting aspects about it all. I love Jack Parson's story of his whole Babalon Working with Marjorie Cameron. That story has always intrigued me and fascinated me... but its more the eccentric personality of Jack Parsons, and the always strange connection with L. Ron Hubbard as his Scribe or Ward or whatever the hell he was... that particularly is fascinating when taken in context with the history of Scientology. And John Dee's whole Enochian experiments with Edward Kelley is another great really interesting avenue of Magick and Occult that I always love to creep into its rabbit hole from time to time. But I hardly give that much credence to the surface value of what all these rituals and experiments and experiences claim to entail. But as always, my motto is to each their own, and I can see if you're into Occult and Magick that you'd be a big fan of something like Killing Joke. But musically, oh man... I just see Tool as on a whole, whole other plane.
Do you like other bands or musical artists specifically from their interest in occult? Genesis P'Orridge's stuff maybe? Throbbing Gristle or Psychic TV? Coil? Bjork was supposedly raised by her occult practitioner mother. Grimes is supposedly into occult and says she felt like she channeled her album Visions. Any other artists you're into specifically though your interest in Occult?
A created being can still be "bornless" if it dwells outside of linear spacetime. As for Satan being a creation of Yahweh, that can be disputed. Jewish kabalistic mysticism does actually give an origin for Yahweh(God as Christians call him). Yahweh emanated/ emerged from Ain(the No-Thing) & from him emanated the Sephirot also known as the heavens or the angelic realms. Satan emanated from Ain independently in opposition to Yahweh & from Satan emanated the Qliphoth/The Hells. Most serious Theistic Satanists(including myself) take from Jewish Mysticism(which itself has strong connections to Greek pythagorean mystery cults) which gives a very different image of what Satan is. In this context, Satan is not a fallen angel & demons are not even remotely comprised of the same "substance" as angels. This Satan, never became The Devil through being casted out, but rather, is primordial & has ALWAYS been the way he is. & This band is absolutely (or at least Nergal who writes the lyrics) all about actual belief in Satan. Whirl the wheel refers to the Sun Wheel count counter-clockwise; a wheel of counter-creation that seeks to unravel & reverse-engineer creations of Yahweh. I hope this brings some clarification as to where Behemoth may be coming from, I could type on this topic for hours but I quite frankly don't feel like laying out every detail on Theistic Satanism & it's different aspects & forms, but what I've said should suffice & make more sense of these lyrics.
Yea I’m familiar with kabalistic religion, the issue is at least in this song is that there are no real allusions to kabala in the song. As a matter of fact there are explicit allusions to the new t (delineated in the video) so thats where the derivative comment comes from
There are certainly blasphemous elements in the lyrics in regards to the new t but the bit on turning the wheel is a direct reference to the Black Sun of Daath/The Wheel of Counter-creation which is a kabalistic concept that can be found in the Sephirotic Tree of Life & the Qliphotic Tree of Death(& in the Tree of Life Daath is a portal that takes you to the Tree of Death). Also, the reference to Cain can have Kabalistic implications. In Anti-Cosmic Satanism Cain is called Qayin & is considered The First Satanist & Witchfather, & he can guide Satanists through the Tree of Death, & is particularly helpful in going from the realm of Satariel(the saturn sphere, ruled by Lucifuge, which can be accessed through Daath), to the realm of Thaumiel(sphere of both Neptune & Pluto, ruled by Satan & Moloch; the Satanic equivalent to the Godhead Sephirot Kether ruled by Yahweh & Metatron). I actually know a lot about Behemoth as people & I know for a fact the lyricist is an Anti-Cosmic Satanist. And for some fun trivia, the lyricist/singer/lead guitarist is a smart mofo who took 6 years of history at university, he's a qualified museum curator.
I believe you are correct. God created man. Then man created Satan when they ate the forbidden fruit (knowledge of good and evil). Christ returns to change the HEARTS of men, which banishes Satan to the 'Lake of Fire'. 'Hell' is the worst thing the human EGO (sinful nature) can imagine: being forgotten.
Kabbalah is technical/wonky. Western '"Christianity' is simplified and symbolic. But the same concepts are there.
Well look at what I just stumbled on to while chatting about 'Hell' (had no idea this existed but God does this to me regularly, if not daily): 😲
Pirithous, as he entered the underworld in an attempt to steal Persephone for himself, and consequently was forced onto the "Chair of Forgetfulness".
It's so interesting to see these reactions knowing what you know of the band now.. In every aspect of the vocals they want the very best for the children of this planet.. Its dark but beautifaully honest. They want the very best out of the children being born today.
This live was just simply amazing. What a performance.
I dont think this was the behemoth song you should have reacted to... Conquer All, Of Fire and the Void, Blow your Trumpets Gabriel, At The Left Hand of God... keep listening
Check out the “Christians and black metal “ update video
Adonis Dubois definitely should have listened to blow your trumpets Gabriel
L3ndzo83 I love "the Satanist" though. After the hellish few years Nergal had, it's such a "fuck you" to come out with this album
Don't forget their heaviest and probably one of their deepest the most well-written songs demigod
Lmao you spelled "Ov" wrong
Behemoth is one of the best bands in the blackened death metal scene. They have a groundbreaking mix of black and death metal and a very unique and creative way of implementing other instruments into their music. The Satanist is my all time fave metal album.
Its simple.
We believe that the Era before Christians and Romans, the Pagan Era 10 000 BC was far way Peaceful Era then today under Christian where over 2000 years are constant wars and Dehumanizations in the name of God.
So i chose Pagan Peace Era where was no weapon even found still today...
Only Ceramic, some plates with first writhing and languages and tools...so its really not hard to chose...
They are so deep. I saw them live and they are so good at what they do!!
poland has alot of great metal. went to see the polish band Batushka (Батюшка) yesterday in Stockholm (eww). if you haven't heard of them before you should definitely check them out. they sing in some old church slavic language but there's translations of their lyrics. also they dress like russian orthodox priests
fun stuff
I second this.
Porcupine tree - Arriving Somewhere But Not Here.
about time for some steven wilson in this place
Truuuuuu
What’s wrong with Steven Wilson
Nothing, he's great.
Well it won't be this easy to find religious themes in his songs. But nothing wrong with his music, one of the best musicians alive.
Our worldviews may be very different, but I love how open minded you both are! Respect!
LOL "come up with your own stuff!" Oh, you mean like how Christianity stole and added onto the Torah? Pleeeease.
And how they stole from pagan Rome. Cathedrals are based on Pagan architecture.
And stole Easter (Pagan celebration of Spring) and Christmas (Pagan celebration of the Winter Solstice - Jesus would've been born mid-July).
Easter doesn't come from Ishtar lol. You saw that on some FB post. and The torah was written by Rabbis who at points said raping and murdering gentiles is ok. Christ came to fullfill the Old Testament. He did not steal from pegan religions and theres more proof to his existence than Julius Caesar. And they didn't steal from Rome. Rome actually was shaken by the resurrection and Rome didn't want religion as state was the dogma. Almost all apostles were murdered over what a lie? I used to be an occultist and before practicing magick, satanism, and was met by satan himself and demons and angels and eventually at the right point christ found me. If peganism is so great why are there so many exorcisms in Africa where pegan "demon" worship is abundant. God bless you
@@maximussuffarion7767 Also Christianity is the biggest religion in Africa dumb fuck
Lol my mom watched the entire video and she was just like “oh why can’t you be like these people” lol. Great video guys, looking forward to see more and I admire your openness and honesty in songs like this. 🙂 \m/
Hahah my gosh! -Sori🤟🏻
Lol I’m sorry but I’m laughing about what ur mom said! And I read it to Vin!! Can we read it in the next Behemoth video we do? -Sori🤟🏻
Go right ahead, I don’t mind at all. lol
We don’t condone any person or living creatures of any kind to shed their blood for a higher being... because we don’t believe in violence.
Anything that lives must be protected to its fullest. We live in plain sight and we communicate from afar with each other with symbols. I work for a massive corporation and through that I pass my my message to all humans I interact with. So we actually don’t want to be identified as satanist because that has no actual relevance to our beliefs and or behavior. I thank you both for respecting even those of the satanic community. We don’t need to understand or identify completely with others, all we can do is accept all people as the are and adjust ourselves to them if we choose to belong to their existence.
21:50 - He wasn't born. He was created. There's a difference. Angels were made/created. Men (humans) are born. I guess he means it as a title that shows he's not a human.
I agree but was not Lucifer an angle that was created???
@@laggyshaggy3230 looking on RUclips at the satanist 14th behemoth
This is actually the first song that I admire of Behemoth. You are right - the poetry is beautiful. As a Christian, I also don't agree with the viewpoint, but I can't disagree that it was said well.
i love how they break down and really analyze every little lyric
Behemoth are pretty much the kings of pure Black Metal. Their vocal style is deeper and more growly and harsh. Cradle of Filth has shriekier lyrics, which does fall into Extreme Metal. Gojira is a good death metal band. Some groups do all three, like Septicflesh... but Septicflesh is totally in their own category in my opinion.
You two are awesome for pushing your boundaries and experiencing what's out there!
I personally dont care about whether its original or not, im not religious in any way, i just think Behemoth's music is very cool. I think the last part that you said was copied from the bible or something, im pretty sure that is part of an old ritual of some sorts. Found this on a lyrics site: "The spoken word is an excerpt from Liber Samekh (Theurgia Goetia Summa, Congressus Cum Daemone, Sub Figura DCCC) written by Aleister Crowley. The ritual is used to get into contact with your Holy Guardian Angel (H.G.A.)." Read a little more on some other sites and i think the whole song is actually based upon The Bornless Ritual, which is a ritual to summon the bornless one/the headless one, he is akephalos. Akephalos is probably either Ra or Osiris.
This is what i gathered from reading about the ritual.
"Thee I invoke, the Bornless one.
"The Bornless One" in the original manuscript is Akefalon, Akephalon, which is the accusative form of "Akephalos". The literal meaning of this is "headless". Akephalon enumerates to 677, the same as "Aigle Trisagia", (Thrice-Holy Splendour). Akephalos itself enumerates to 827.
Thee, that didst create the Earth and the Heavens:
Thee, that didst create the Night and the Day.
Thee, that didst create the Darkness and the Light.
Thou art Osorronophris: Whom no man has seen at any time.
An interresting piece i took from Alex Sumner's article on the ritual which can be found on the internet. Also this part: "It is interesting to note that there are certain number of changes in the ritual between 1852 and 1904. The original version is a ritual to exorcise and drive out an evil spirit which is possessing a victim. In the 1904 version, the emphasis is totally different: the aim of the ritual is to invoke a being referred to as “The Bornless One”, to whom all spirits, both good and evil, are subservient. This is accomplished by changing the order in which the ritualist makes key-conjurations. The editor also chooses to re-translate certain phrases into more resonant equivalents, which still preserve the sense of the original. The overall effect is that the 1904 version is more poetic, more dramatic, and basically more of what one imagines a magical ritual should be."
As an unpersuasable anarchist/atheist, I love your guy's channel. Regardless of historical and/or interpretive inaccuracies, of which will inevitably occur, I totally dig it. The sincerity is clear through 'the message.' Perspective is hard as hell to come by. O Father, O Satan, O Sun, and Lord willing. Wallow in that contradiction. Democracy depends on it. Keep it up.
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"We give it a 666" love the sense of humor at the end
Hahaha! Check out Ora pro nobis
tbh that whole ''who had the better metal'' seems pretty irrelevant to me, i dont think you should think of opeth going with that mindset, behemoth and opeth are completly different, two different flavours, one is very straight foward and the other is more about the atmosphere and layering the sounds. There is definetly value in both but i suggest you don't go with that mindset while listening to ghost of perdition.
Just my thoughts, hope you don't take this the wrong way vin.
Not at all!! I was ABSOLUTELY being petty and childish Bc everyone was agreeing with Sori over me !!! 🧐🧐🧐 but ya, they’re really not comparable that’s clear. I’m very very excited to hear ghost of perdition... that should be interesting
oh okay haha! thanks for the response man, you guys are doing an icredible work i really appreciate it.
Thanks for taking the time to talk !
Satanism isn't separate from Christianity, in my opinion, just one side of a coin. I don't understand this need for separation, when clearly Satanism is Christianity, it's just that a different choice is made as to who you worship and how you worship. Of course it's a flip side of what the Bible says and uses biblical imagery, it's in opposition to what the Bible says. That's why it's reversed.
Oh, how I love Behemoth. Legendary band. Anyway, other bands you should check out are Belphegor, Gorgoroth, Mayhem, Acheron, Thy Antichrist, Darkthrone, Ragnarok, Ackercocke, etc. I'm forgetting a ton atm because my memory sucks, but yeah, you can find a lot of Satanic bands with the black metal genre.
this makes me happy that you guys can take this in and actually analyze it and enjoy it. Thank you.
First of all, I just want to say that I really like your reactions and the dialogue that comes with them. Vin, I think you're a very smart and intelectual man whose opinions and comments are very well justified, nevertheless, you are kinda confused about what the philosophy of the so called "True Norwegian Black Metal" bands was. These bands (Burzum, Emperor, Mayhem, Dark Throne) weren't of a satanic/stanist philosophy, but of an Odinism/Pagan one but with a really heavy load of anti-christian idiology (this is where the confusion lies about them being satanists). I really recommend you to watch the documentary called "Until The Light Take Us", which talks and shows interviews with the very original founders of these bands. Keep on with the good work, and GB.
Smart.
His name was Euronymous. The guy that killed him was Varg Vikernes (Burzum). The singer that committed suicide was named Dead (fitting, right?). His suicide photo was the cover of a live record called Dawn of Black Hearts. The band is MAYHEM. De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas. React to that.
That song is such a badass closer to the album. Such an amazing record.
I hate religion....but I have to admit as much as a christian can go, you guys are pretty reasonable.(with a few exceptions that I would contradict you on but anyway)
Good!
Eduard lonescu they are listening to black metal bands and analysing the music and lyrics, that's cool enough for me.
In all honesty I believe in some sort of higher being and I even think they have a lot of faith in God, like the whole demons making u stub ya toe or all that shit. I jus think there's sumone higher than us and all that bible shit was created to entrap humans in social behaviors, to modernize in a sense or moralize. I think if there is a god he doesn't really care about us more just let us do our thing, and we as humans will evolve to a more conscious thought. I hope there's a heaven but the chances of it are slim, ain't no issue in hoping and even believing something there as long as you don't force it down someone else's throat
Don Gambino that's right, as long as it doesn't hurt people it's alright. Problem with religion is that it hurts....a lot of people. Anyway beyond the thought of god, i give credibility to physics and reason.
The "riff" is a (typically) two-measure/eight beat measure, which is different in faster song, that distinguishes a passage in a movement that isn't as long as a solo, musical piece from another. A Lick is a much smaller piece of solo strutting that isn't as long as an actual solo, This is like a "filler" in drumming. Behemoth IS "Black Metal" but expansive like Iron Maiden but is satanistic in lyric and atmosphere. Opeth has that Scandinavian darkness about existence (death metal) but not actually stanistic. There are fine lines, but MY definitions (not the only one) do not depart much from the general. There are too many great bands to let any only define any genre.
I agree .... so are we right? Is behemoth bm?
The only clear distinction (and many would disagree) is the slower beat being possible with the heavy dark synths creating the atmosphere. As far as BM vs, DM; there is no appeal to power...DM treats the subject of Satan as simply part of the dynamic, not one to appeal to. Slayer, for example, discusses God and Satan in many ways (though they are the prototypes for both) yet evil in Slayer is remarked upon, not appealed to.
The purest ones will say that it is blackened death metal, but there are so many subgenera and variations that even the bands change their sound in each disc, that makes them difficult to classify in 1 genre, but in general terms yes, it is black metal.
Blackened death metal. Basically they take from black metal, while maintaining a death metal sound. And that also distinguishes them from others. Both death metal, as death metal isnt naturally satanic, and if so is blackened death metal. And it also differs from black metal, in the fact that they have a death metal sound. True black metal is very distinguishable. Its recording quality is normally very low, with a bunch of reverb. Some people enjoy it, idk why. Its not the satanic aspect that turns me off, cause i love Behemoth based solely on sound and their songwriting is phenomenal. Its the sound of black metal that hurts my ears haha. Its super low quality, but some people enjoy that.
Ahhh ok that makes sense
*23.. anyone who claims not to believe in a physical Satan is either lying or they are deceiving themselves
my journey with Behemoth has recently just begun and i have to tell u its interesting how it went by. So i always enjoyed hard rock and all kinds of metal, starting with ac/dc and metallica in the end of primary school, little bit of linkin park in the days of secondary school, then pantera in high school etc. Last few years ive been listening to Slayer and 2 weeks ago i went to their Final Show in Poland in Gliwice. It was fuckin awesome, dont need to tell u , u can imagine. But the support of the Slayer was made by Behemoth, and it was interesting how positive and awesome, open hearted and welcoming was the main singer, Nergal. This dude is just a good fellow. It may sound crazy but its true. Few days ago i started following Behemoths social medias and what is Nergal posting, hes welcoming every single day, hes open and tollerant to everyone. and what is most important and funny to me now is that band like Behemoth formed in my country Poland , which is fuckin dominated by christian religion. I think its how the things work in this world, when u have a religion that dominates your country, thats being used in politics and most often stands waaaay too far from their believes, teachings of good and how to act, when u see all the bullshit of bishops that act like the one from Sin City.. then its no wonder that "satanic" Behemoth band formed here. Before i was interested in this band i heared bad things about it , well the only good ones was that they are one of the most famous polish metal band in the world. But now when i got into topic i see that Nergal is an awesome, very smart and open guy and i like this band. Im Catholic too, but im open minded, i dont get offended by reading or listening things that might be interesting. None of their lyrics or songs seem like a profanity to me. Altho im a rl Slayer fan, Behemoth is great too and i wish them all the best. There is nothing worse than christians hating and labelling everyone, but pretending to be that good guys
If you want some good Opeth riffs, listen to "Serenity Painted Death".
Good title!!
This one or the opeth one ?
VinAnd Sori Opeth of course, right vin? haha, but this behemoth's album is so good
VinAnd Sori I agree that Serenity Painted Death is one the best ever! My favourite song by my favourite band. It gets overlooked in the Opeth world.
Hmmmmmm 🤔🤔🤔
Wow. I'm not religious. But it's great to see people that are open minded and religious
Thanks !
Great to see people not bash religious people lol some act like I can’t be Christian and bump Behemoth or Deicide
Now that's what i call a great reaction video! Vin, thank you for sharing the knowledge and being such a diplomat about all of that. It feels really good to see actual grown ups talking about music. I think I'm your new fan.
The band was Mayhem. Google it. Øystein Aarseth a.k.a. Euronymous - lost his mind after witnessing his friends suicide (no definitive proof, but people who knew him claim so). He made necklaces from the pieces of the skull, giving them to some as gifts. 1993, Varg Vikernes and Snorre 'Blackthorn' Ruch drove from Bergen to Euronymous' apartment at Tøyengata in Oslo. Upon their arrival a confrontation began and Vikernes fatally stabbed Euronymous. His body was found on the stairs outside the apartment with 23 stab wounds.
May Satan be with you guys, lord of the darkness, prince of the suffer, forever in our hearts until the world explodes in pain and blood
Thanks pal
Jhonny Cage X Rage yeah? Hahaha ya freak. Satan is a prince !!? More like a defeated prince hahaha
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Uhh...
I'll have two number 9, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45, one with cheese, and a laaarge soda.
Jhonny Cage X Rage cool. Good for you buddy.
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If you don't know GTA San Andreas then you are not human
If you wanna know just watch the documentary called *Until The Light Takes Us*. Black metal deserves a bit more credit imo. My hubs is a bit more a fan than me (I'm into symphonic metal ) but the documentary helped me understand it a bit better than I did before.
Ya saw that one ! Sad!
Hekata's Mare i'm going to watch it! Thanks for the data.
kristopher Mad ofc. It also documents a bit about what happened between Varg (the count grishnackh) and Euronymous. But yeah its a really decent documentary. Which if you watch you will understand why it was released with the obvious crap quality production ;) Also some of the references to the joke bands they make is Cradle of Filth And Dimmu Borgir type bands I think lol which my hubs was way too happy to point out to me 😌😒 LOL.
kristopher Mad also 10/10 would watch Fenriz talk all day long Tbh
Hekata's Mare i just know that Varg and Euronymous had a confrontation and so... I'm going to look for more documentaries all night long haha
The older band member he is referring to is Varg from Burzum, Euronymous is from another band called Mayhem both were friends for a time. Euronymous and Varg had a record store and Euronymous borrowed money off Varg that he did not pay back. Euronymous also said to other band mates that his plans were to kill Varg. So Varg and other band member went to question him about this. Varg knew Euronymous had a shotgun and he knew where it was. He knew Euronymous was after going to grab that shotgun so before he could he tried to stop him, A fight broke out and Varg stabbed Euronymous. The other band you refer to is Mayhem when a member Dead became very depressed, he shot himself in the head with a sawn-off shotgun and the band members made necklaces of pieces of his skull. Varg was more a believer of the Norse gods and was enraged that Christianity had built churches over Nordic burial grounds in his town, That is what started it all and that is why that church was burnt down. Every religion has borrowed off the other. All have started wars. I love Behemoth and Cradle of Filth however I hate all religions.
I respect how you two try to understand a view that is very different from your own and loved the reaction. This indeed is very different from Cradle Of Filth ^^
I am not a pure satanist and definately not a follower of Lavey's ideas, but I would like to comment on (and somewhat defend) the understanding of Lavey's "Do What Thou Wilt..." It comes from, or at least is inspired by Thelema. An earlier post from someone way more knowledgable about it than me explains a lot about it. Big in Thelema is one's True Will. As I probably put it very crudely. It's not about just doing whatever you want on a low and childish level. It is about discovering your own true path and direction.
The track Blow Your Trumpets Gabriel by Behemoth has riffs that stick. The video is also pretty good, and you wont get a copyright strike for reacting to it.
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As a Christian as well, it's very refreshing to find people who know their stuff. There were times where I learned a few things from you guys, and others where I'd have loved to jump in and share some other details that would have sparked more discussion about this song. You're doing great, folks! Love from Chile
Thanks
I just enjoy that behemoth is getting recognized for being who they are and what they want to be and showing all the talent that is there as a band*\m/23\m/*
5:03 when Christians who aren't theologians or occult scholars try to understand these lyrics.
I just found your channel today and I love your videos! The ability you both have to breakdown lyrics is incredible! And I’m a big A7X fan so I’ve enjoyed the Sevenfold videos!
Thank you!!
You’re welcome! Can you react to Solitaire Unraveling by Mushroomhead please?! I would really like to hear your thoughts on it!
I’ll list it...keep reminding us tho...-Sori✌🏻
Listed!
Yay!!
Nergal and his lyrics blow my fucking my mind.
And the way you explained blew my mind even more.
Yes I am a children of Satan. Jehovah has done nothing for me. I spent 5 years worshipping him and every single thing in my life went to shit. Not a single time in five years did my prayers get answered.i buried my daughter in that time and not one time did Jehovah ,Jesus or any angel give me a single strand of comfort. Not once at all period.i went back to my left hand path and have actually had something of a feeling of love. My prayers have been answered regarding my feelings and what I have gone through. I can not understand how u can worship a fallacy. Your Jehovah would rather have you suffer then ever have a answer to life and it's horrible things. I pray to the god of this Earth and have received answers and comfort
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This part is why i love behemoth and Nergal's genius mix, match and mash in his writings. Taken from Aliester Crowley's work and done with such finesse and beauty. A tribute, an homage whatever you wanna call it.
Im obsessed with this song, especially this sermon part and no, i don't believe in Satan or the devil whatever. It's all myth to me and it's fun to read, watch or listen to. That's it.
Black metal was and is a major escape for me when i left religion (islam). The idea to think, question everything and be open. Metal gave me that.
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Would you check out Fear Factory either Resurrection or Zero Signal. These guys are heavy and blend clean and rough vocals really well. The subject matter is very much man vs machine for a lot of their songs.
Yes!!!
Loved the lyrical breakdown as always!
I see the irony in the terminology being borrowed from Christianity and Judaism. The irony cuts deeper though, in the fact that the Christianity and Judaism them selves borrows from earlier mythologies like Greek and Egyptian mythology :)
Also Sori said something like: "... you got mixed up and worshipped the wrong one. You were so close and still so far away". Well you have probably heard the atheist saying: "Christians are atheistic about 999 gods. Atheists just cross the final one off the list as well."
React to depressive suicidal black metal (dsbm)
There's not much to talk about in a religious perspective but I'm very curious about what you guys think of the sound and lyrical content
Here's some recommendations
Shining (Sweden) - IV: The Eerie Cold (first track is nice)
Silencer - Death: Pierce Me
Psychonaut 4 - Lethargic Dialogue
While I lost faith in the Christian faith while back, Behemoth was one of the first black metal bands I started to listen to and yes I am actually a black witch, the meaning behind the song kicks ass! Vin and Sori you two make listening to Behemoth fun and inspiring.
It's true, Luciferianism is not original....because it's an inversion of christianity, with the same princliples; that there are actual gods and angels out there. LaVey, on the other hand, took christianity and mocked it, in an Atheistic way, taking bits from Ayn Rand, Blackbeard, Jack London, and the Norse Havamal....he pretty much called it Satanism because it's stimulating and fun. LaVey was really into self-help too.....very interesting breakdown :)
Ya good points all around
Definitely
Not at all what Luciferianism is.
I got the two confused
interesting lyrical analysis, not many people take the time to try and understand the lyrics specially in extreme metal, you should check out "Ora Pro Nobis Lucifer" or "Ben Sahar" also by Behemoth.
Yes those are on the list
U.gotta put the video on small screen y'all!!!!!!!! Lol thanks 4 the upload
You know what you guys should do? Watch the music video for the song. I think the both of you would really enjoy talking with Nergal as well. He really wouldn't be all that hard to get into contact with. Though, they will be busy with their upcoming tour.
You should have listened to Ora Pro Nobis Lucifer by Behemoth, in my personal opinion. That was the absolute best song from the album.
Noted! :) -Sori😁
Really? Not Messe Noire or The Satanist? Still great nonetheless. *23
Appreciate that
ora pro nobis lucifer
The whole damn album was excellent.
*23 Interesting video, and I appreciate you guys keeping an open mind. Behemoth is one of my favorite bands, and it was a pleasure hearing the opinion of a couple of open minded Christians speak about Behemoth's lyrics. I would enjoy very much to hear you guys do a video on the band Dissection. I'm a big fan of the band, but they are in my opinion way more satanic than Behemoth. The vocalist/guitarist Jon Nödtveidt was a member of a satanic group called Temple of the Black Light, and he along with another member of TOTBL named Vlad killed a homosexual man. The case is called The Keillers Park Murders, and was a very famous Swedish criminal case. After Jon's release from prison he reformed Dissection, and recorded their last album Reinkaos. The lyrics to Reinkaos was co written by Frater Nemidal who was The Temple of The Black Light's magister who wrote the modern grimoire "Liber Azerate" which Reinkaos served as a musical companion to the writings. Two years after the album was released Jon killed himself by an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound inside a circle of lit candles. He was also apparently holding a copy of Liber Azerate. I feel like "Starless Aeon" would be a great song to cover due to the fact it was on the last album Reinkaos, and ties in with his personal beliefs which I find fascinating, or the more popular Dissection track "Where Dead Angels Lie".
That last title is the most requested from them... so we’ll start there
16:00 you're thinking about Mayhem. The singer dead commited suicide and Euronymous got murdered by Vikernes.
I'm not a catholic anymore (went to catholic school for fifteen years) but I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to wear a rosary around your neck. Traditional thinking says if you're wearing one, it means you don't really know what a rosary is about. Priests, nuns, and different clergy do but theirs have more decades (groups of Hail Mary beads) and are ceremonial.. and like many people have said in this comment section: The Catholic Church (and ultimately all christian faiths are based off of Catholicism) have borrowed heavily from others, and in many cases the doctrine has also been built off of religious, political, and personal agenda.. at least there was a Vatican II which reformed some of it and modernized the religion. Learning of the history of Catholicism gave me the ability to think for myself as did much of the Catholic Hierarchy in it's formation, foundation, and reinforcement. Go Martin Luther!
Regardless of my beliefs, i still love me some Pope Francis! Go Francis! he honestly is doing great things for the modern world in my opinion.
-Check Out Gruesome - A Waste of Life, It features Satan himself.. Benny Hinn, that guy is a horrendous human being.
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"I form the light and create the darkness, I make peace, and create evil, i the Lord do all these things"
Isaiah 45:7
This is from a Behemoth T-shirt I own. My interpretation is 'God is everything' basically. There is always a balance and without one we could not have the other. 'Satan' is and always has been an archetype of evil or negative.. or in Satanism's case, a non Christian archetype.
Man created the Bible and God in his Image. God is inside you. God is Everything.
It all comes down to the Golden Rule, treat others as you want to be treated. Only a wicked being would create life capable of culture, intellect, and free thought, then exclude the majority of them because they were born outside of a particular set of beliefs. Anyone with conviction is not going to change because of what a stranger tells them.
These intrinsic gifts we are given is what makes us human, logically if used for good we wouldn't be punished.
One more thing, and as I watch this video I'm sure I'll find more to say but I'm tired and have already been a little too verbose for a RUclips post, but the reason the inverse of Christian imagery is used is because it has been the opponent of free thought in our Western culture. So it's basically a symbol of the anthithesis of Christianity, and a liberation of intellect. I'm not a Satanist, I'm not a Christian, I am myself.. peace and love
I'm pretty sure they're protestant. Idk why we was wearing the rosary lol.
Martin Luther loved his rosary