I have an old HP laptop that keeps having the same problem as this one. I have reflowed the MB twice. Each time lasted about a month. Now it sits with other relics of the past.
My first laptop was a Toshiba A215 in 2007, then an A305 that I spilled water into while it was running, insurance paid out and for several years I ran an A505, wonderful laptops.
I recently fixed my laptop which had a similar problem but on the chipset, instead of doing this (already did but didn't hold) I found it better to just add a small copper/aluminum plate under its heatsink so that it would push the chip harder..and it's still working after weeks
Do you guys remember the dv9000 from hp.. And the 5520 from acer which had a dedicated gpu board.. They were coming in like crazy. That was an "dark era" when capacitors were almost never the problem.
Very good fix. I have a Toshiba A-300 from 2008 that seems to have the same problems. I starts, but after the boot screen it freezes completele. I think the problem is the GPU.
actually the northbridge was the problem on these AMD laptops they would randomly fail after warranty expires, and its a design flaw in the cooling system on these laptops where the heat comes from CPU and GPU and it goes to northbridge and to the heatsink fins, the northbrige will get way hotter than usual and overtime it fails like flies
The correct way to fix those is to completely find a new GPU. I just fix a HP a few months with same AMD GPU the same way with just reflowing it and came back a week later and got lucky and found the GPU used on eBay and completely replace it, hasn't come back and sold the customer a Lenovo as a replacement as still didn't trust it as still was a used GPU and he needed a older laptop as software he using requires Vista/7 and won't work on a newer laptop, tried it already and he didn't like newer version of the software as missing features older software has. He does, live performance and only uses it for music. He stated still works and he been using it 5 to 6 hours at a time for the last 4 months. So the replacement GPU turned out to be good shockingly as only reason I repaired it the second time was to recover settings and license for software to transfer over to another laptop, as cloning the drive still needed the license as software requested it. He told me I think you fixed it permanently this time around as still works and hasn't crashed like it used to. Most laptop's and game consoles from this era had this problem ATI and Nvidia lied about thermal specs and screwup on manufacturing. So all OEM manufacturer's were affected. The failure due to the subdie flexs and cracks on the GPU package, not the solder balls. I use to repair 100's of HP and other laptops and xBox 360's and fat PS3'S back in the day for very reason.. Reflowing and reball same GPU is temporary at best. Sometimes it last a week, or months, to a year. Back then used a fancy BGA rework machine. Now do it with a good hotair station and preheater setup by hand as takes up way less space. Now repair PS4'S and PS5's with the PS5's capacitor's to mosfets to failed SSD controller are common issues with them, especially the HDMI port that breaks if you look at it wrong and I hate liquid metal as one drop it get pass the protective foam/sheild and get on APU components and board even and pain to clean.
Good luck finding a good new IC these days. They are all flawed by design. The ICs sold on eBay/Aliexpress have been removed from dead boards. Guess why they were dead. The IC came back to life just by the heat from the desoldering/resoldering process. It's not in a better shape than the one currently on the board. It's absolutely pointless. Some time ago you could find good new RS880M 216-0752001 (but they were rare, most of the stuff was garbage). That time is gone.
@piernov Yep they next to impossible to find nowadays, pretty much you are not going to find one anymore, those day are long gone. Same with just changing the motherboard, good luck in finding one that works? I Typically don't even bother to repair those and if I do if someone really needs it for older software and data on it it in borrow time, it will likely fail again and just move data to another laptop. I got lucky on that HP but it was likely that motherboard it was pulled from wasn't used much and only reason it still works, I was shocked myself and didn't give it more then a couple weeks and reason moved data over to a newer but older Lenovo for the customer.
@@thetechgenie7374 As I said in another comment, the solution is to replace with an equivalent Intel board without dedicated GPU (LA-6041P here), along with CPU and heatsink. A bunch of AMD laptops of that era where spin-offs of the base Intel model so thankfully it's often possible to swap the boards. The Intel one is not gonna fail (as long as it doesn't have a dedicated ATi/AMD GPU), it's not gonna heat as much and it's gonna perform better. But it's only a solution if you don't mind paying more in parts than what the entire laptop is worth to save it from going to a landfill…
@piernov I definitely going to keep that in mind, as the customer with the HP laptop was use to it and likes that particular laptop. He was willing to pay anything to keep it going as he has software setup a certain way, so he use to it and he did kept it in good shape over the years as he had repaired it regularly when it broke and parts wore out. Thankfully eventually got him use to Windows 7 and the lenovo T430 as clone drive to it and setup mostly everything, almost the same as HP. He still uses that HP as he came in recently still stating it works somehow? He and I know it is on borrowed time.
Wonderful work Mr sorin but in some time the laptop will come again with the same default so what is the full solution to do so that the problem will not happen again
He said it's a chip issue, not a soldering one. The permanent fix would be a new graphics chip, but good luck finding one. Also, replacing a BGA chip is a PITA. You need a BGA reflowing equipment which is not cheap and not easy to use. Bottom line, a new laptop is the full solution,
@Nele_BiH It goes back to DV5 if I remember correctly. Shame about it it wasn't HP fault it was ATI and Nvidia fault and a had to do material used for package and caused by flexing. All brand laptops and game consoles had issues from that era.
I have a very similar laptop Toshiba L645. Exactly same problem, I have tried the heating method multiple times but it survive for max 1 week. It's too sad because the laptop itself looks almost like new. I wish it could be converted to UMA only.
Sadly, more than10-15 0 years ago, I had few of these but scrap it because at that time we don't have hot air station. We try all other ways like hairdryer or even oven cooking :)
Is that a "C" series Toshiba? Have a Toshiba Satellite C675, and the battery appears to charge, turn it on, there is HDD light, but laptop doesn't display anything! Is it better to perform a reflow?
А в этом ноутбуке нет возможности отключить внешний видиочип и оставить внутреннюю графику? Я на своем hp сделал так, хоть работает) по ютуб советам кстати)
the chip is not likely the problem. pressure of keyboard typing flexes bga and loosens w ROHS leadfree low temp bad bond to pads. loosen heatsink and add little flux and heat from under 2 or 3 min to bond bga to pads.
@@Takashita_Sukakoki Not necessarily. Max out the RAM & fit SSD, tweak all the settings to remove the bloat & unneeded services & it'll still run W10 ok, then Linux. I'm unlikely to want to go to w11 bearing in mind M$oft's user- data grab operation
Only long-lasting solution is to replace the motherboard+CPU+heatsink with the Intel variant without dedicated GPU (LA-6041P in this instance). It'll also waste less power, generate less heat and perform better than the AMD platform. Mobile AMD platforms of the time were just plain bad compared to Intel. However, it's not economically viable as the price of parts alone will be higher than what the entire machine is worth when working.
It will work may be one week ore month and will die again, that is the problem of GPU not the soldering problem. There is a bad connection between the cristal and the base of the chip that is why reballing will not help. the replacement of GPU is required for proper repair.
Some older laptops are way better than modern laptops. Thank goodness for eBay and AliExpress, just buy a used motherboard, slap it in and keep on trucking.
True. So many issues, some user-originated, some are faults which happen over time, can be fixed either by the user or a tech-savvy friend. K/b spill or issue. HD/SSD fail. RAM fail or upgrade. Screen damage. Even power button fail. And on most Toshibas, DC jack replacement. Nowadays, it's junked at the 1st problem
I have a bunch of those Laptops from the same Year ,this is Satellite L500M , M stands for AMD , At that time Stay clear of AMD chipsets So L500 which is intel Version is way better and AMD at that time No Dual channel Memory so it Runs single channel on Two sticks of DDR2 .But A better Version Is the A500 or A505 .They Last for ever And I was Able to put Windows 10 and Windows 11 on some of them , they have Socketed CPUs so you can upgrade to the highest suitable for that MB.
The issue was common back around 2010s when the manufacturing die size was 90 nanometer. It is all because California back then passed law not to use LEAD for the solder points. Same fix for old fat PS3 reflowing the GPU / CPU with heat gun. This laptop is so old and slow to the point even as brand new in a box laying on the sidewalk I won't pick it up,lol. Why spend any money or trying to fix this dinosaur?
Absolutely wrong. Read about Nvidia bumpgate. It was earlier than that for Nvidia (around 2006-2008) and the PS3 was affected by this very specific issue, where a reflow doesn't fix anything since the issue is not about the solder balls between the IC and the board. ATi/AMD had a similar issue with the highest failure rates around 2009-2011.
@@Takashita_Sukakoki You can run ad-blockers , not much use on RUclips - and plenty of optimisation possible in Windows to get more bangs for your bangs for your buck.
About 20 years ago when starting fixing computers, I had an HP and I did exactly that. Good times when things were simpler.
Elite book 6780
Cred ca cel mai bun din sectorul asta de pe YT! Felicitari!! Roumanian power!!
I have an old HP laptop that keeps having the same problem as this one. I have reflowed the MB twice. Each time lasted about a month. Now it sits with other relics of the past.
Oldschool repair. I have done hundreds of these many years ago. 3-month warranty. Easy Pizza with chips
Hi!
I just fixed an identical laptop following your video, nice timing, Sir! :)
Thank you!
If you properly heat the GPU to better attach silicon to the subatrate, it may be a 100% fix.
This is basically baking but it needs to be controlled.
My first laptop was a Toshiba A215 in 2007, then an A305 that I spilled water into while it was running, insurance paid out and for several years I ran an A505, wonderful laptops.
Ah, Sorin If I had only watched this video 10 years ago LOL. I had the same laptop and threw it away then.
@@kiwichess sorry, what model did you have? Thank you
I recently fixed my laptop which had a similar problem but on the chipset, instead of doing this (already did but didn't hold) I found it better to just add a small copper/aluminum plate under its heatsink so that it would push the chip harder..and it's still working after weeks
Do you guys remember the dv9000 from hp.. And the 5520 from acer which had a dedicated gpu board.. They were coming in like crazy. That was an "dark era" when capacitors were almost never the problem.
Very good fix. I have a Toshiba A-300 from 2008 that seems to have the same problems. I starts, but after the boot screen it freezes completele. I think the problem is the GPU.
These customers would benefit from a cooling system like the one you demonstrated in one of your videos.
That cooling system was worth than what this laptop is worth.
You can still replace keyboards in most of Dell laptops. With 13 gen precision you can even replace RAM connectors. They are on separate board.
actually the northbridge was the problem on these AMD laptops they would randomly fail after warranty expires, and its a design flaw in the cooling system on these laptops where the heat comes from CPU and GPU and it goes to northbridge and to the heatsink fins, the northbrige will get way hotter than usual and overtime it fails like flies
This was golden ages when fixing laptops was much more fun than today !
woah just checked missed 101 video :O holy time fly !
You missed nothing, mr. Dodgy still doing his old tricks!
@@intrax2tv You may call that Dodgy but given the warranty which he will back up, it's hard to argue against it.
I like the c7xx c8xx series toshibas. Used and seen a lot. A c850 i5 still does all u need besides gaming of course.
mackbook pro 2011 has the same problem.
How nice is to see the battery that you can replace in 1 min
Those are worst.
The correct way to fix those is to completely find a new GPU. I just fix a HP a few months with same AMD GPU the same way with just reflowing it and came back a week later and got lucky and found the GPU used on eBay and completely replace it, hasn't come back and sold the customer a Lenovo as a replacement as still didn't trust it as still was a used GPU and he needed a older laptop as software he using requires Vista/7 and won't work on a newer laptop, tried it already and he didn't like newer version of the software as missing features older software has. He does, live performance and only uses it for music. He stated still works and he been using it 5 to 6 hours at a time for the last 4 months. So the replacement GPU turned out to be good shockingly as only reason I repaired it the second time was to recover settings and license for software to transfer over to another laptop, as cloning the drive still needed the license as software requested it. He told me I think you fixed it permanently this time around as still works and hasn't crashed like it used to. Most laptop's and game consoles from this era had this problem ATI and Nvidia lied about thermal specs and screwup on manufacturing. So all OEM manufacturer's were affected.
The failure due to the subdie flexs and cracks on the GPU package, not the solder balls. I use to repair 100's of HP and other laptops and xBox 360's and fat PS3'S back in the day for very reason.. Reflowing and reball same GPU is temporary at best. Sometimes it last a week, or months, to a year. Back then used a fancy BGA rework machine. Now do it with a good hotair station and preheater setup by hand as takes up way less space. Now repair PS4'S and PS5's with the PS5's capacitor's to mosfets to failed SSD controller are common issues with them, especially the HDMI port that breaks if you look at it wrong and I hate liquid metal as one drop it get pass the protective foam/sheild and get on APU components and board even and pain to clean.
Good luck finding a good new IC these days. They are all flawed by design. The ICs sold on eBay/Aliexpress have been removed from dead boards. Guess why they were dead. The IC came back to life just by the heat from the desoldering/resoldering process. It's not in a better shape than the one currently on the board. It's absolutely pointless.
Some time ago you could find good new RS880M 216-0752001 (but they were rare, most of the stuff was garbage). That time is gone.
@piernov Yep they next to impossible to find nowadays, pretty much you are not going to find one anymore, those day are long gone. Same with just changing the motherboard, good luck in finding one that works? I Typically don't even bother to repair those and if I do if someone really needs it for older software and data on it it in borrow time, it will likely fail again and just move data to another laptop. I got lucky on that HP but it was likely that motherboard it was pulled from wasn't used much and only reason it still works, I was shocked myself and didn't give it more then a couple weeks and reason moved data over to a newer but older Lenovo for the customer.
@@thetechgenie7374 As I said in another comment, the solution is to replace with an equivalent Intel board without dedicated GPU (LA-6041P here), along with CPU and heatsink. A bunch of AMD laptops of that era where spin-offs of the base Intel model so thankfully it's often possible to swap the boards. The Intel one is not gonna fail (as long as it doesn't have a dedicated ATi/AMD GPU), it's not gonna heat as much and it's gonna perform better. But it's only a solution if you don't mind paying more in parts than what the entire laptop is worth to save it from going to a landfill…
@piernov I definitely going to keep that in mind, as the customer with the HP laptop was use to it and likes that particular laptop. He was willing to pay anything to keep it going as he has software setup a certain way, so he use to it and he did kept it in good shape over the years as he had repaired it regularly when it broke and parts wore out. Thankfully eventually got him use to Windows 7 and the lenovo T430 as clone drive to it and setup mostly everything, almost the same as HP. He still uses that HP as he came in recently still stating it works somehow? He and I know it is on borrowed time.
You are a great professional. I always watch your videos with interest. Greetings from Poland.
7:12 ... That face... Great Sorin!
Wonderful work Mr sorin but in some time the laptop will come again with the same default so what is the full solution to do so that the problem will not happen again
He said it's a chip issue, not a soldering one. The permanent fix would be a new graphics chip, but good luck finding one. Also, replacing a BGA chip is a PITA. You need a BGA reflowing equipment which is not cheap and not easy to use.
Bottom line, a new laptop is the full solution,
Thank you Mr darth
There was alo DV7 and DV9 series from Hp i think they were notorios to have this problem
@Nele_BiH It goes back to DV5 if I remember correctly. Shame about it it wasn't HP fault it was ATI and Nvidia fault and a had to do material used for package and caused by flexing. All brand laptops and game consoles had issues from that era.
I have a very similar laptop Toshiba L645. Exactly same problem, I have tried the heating method multiple times but it survive for max 1 week. It's too sad because the laptop itself looks almost like new. I wish it could be converted to UMA only.
Omg I had one like that same problem I send it to electronic recycle xD
Sadly, more than10-15 0 years ago, I had few of these but scrap it because at that time we don't have hot air station. We try all other ways like hairdryer or even oven cooking :)
You have to have Sorin's knowledge of what heat temp & how long for. I'd probably locally fry a few components 😞
I have similar issue but what if my laptop doesnt have a gpu only a cpu
How about the gateway model MD2614u fan error
Is that a "C" series Toshiba? Have a Toshiba Satellite C675, and the battery appears to charge, turn it on, there is HDD light, but laptop doesn't display anything! Is it better to perform a reflow?
Why not try it? No harm in trying!
Nice fix
hardest part is to explain to some customers this situation
Old is gold
Hi Sorin, is there anyway to switch from the dedicated GPU to the integrated one ?
The failure is with the northbridge where the GPU is integrated. There is no other GPU.
Just received yestrday an acer laptop that i reflowed 2 years ago'.... an amd vision one.
Hey, 2 more years' use of laptop was probably worth it for that customer
Very Nice! 😎😎😎
NICE FIX
nice vid
I fixed mine with a lighter back in a days when I didn't have tools 😂
I have a laptop like that. The board have a short somewhere but i can't find it. Anyone knows regular places that usualy shorts?
start up fan error
А в этом ноутбуке нет возможности отключить внешний видиочип и оставить внутреннюю графику? Я на своем hp сделал так, хоть работает) по ютуб советам кстати)
Why we dont try reballing GPU? I believe that will be permanent fix.. Ofc. that will take much time and more price ..
Reballing doesn't do anything more here. Never a permanent fix for these ICs. The issue is not with the balls but the IC itself.
Wow, crazy!
the chip is not likely the problem. pressure of keyboard typing flexes bga and loosens w ROHS leadfree low temp bad bond to pads.
loosen heatsink and add little flux and heat from under 2 or 3 min to bond bga to pads.
why not doing a proper reball or reflow?
he explained its an internal chip fault, not a solder ball fault
Also the laptop is so old and worthless
@@Takashita_Sukakoki Not necessarily. Max out the RAM & fit SSD, tweak all the settings to remove the bloat & unneeded services & it'll still run W10 ok, then Linux. I'm unlikely to want to go to w11 bearing in mind M$oft's user- data grab operation
Only long-lasting solution is to replace the motherboard+CPU+heatsink with the Intel variant without dedicated GPU (LA-6041P in this instance). It'll also waste less power, generate less heat and perform better than the AMD platform. Mobile AMD platforms of the time were just plain bad compared to Intel.
However, it's not economically viable as the price of parts alone will be higher than what the entire machine is worth when working.
I don't get it! If the fix is a new paste, cleaning the fan meaning the GPU is heating up. Why heating the GPU fixes it!?!
The fix is the heat though people comment that's a temporary fix
The problem Is the heat over time
Didnt worked on a toshiba C50D :( I checked and it seems the chip is shorted. Dead dead :/ Oh well i tried
C50Ds are a somewhat different "stream" or line of Toshibas, so it doesn't surprise me
won't last long, I lost a lot of customers because of this
by explaining its temporary and giving warranty? Its an ancient laptop not worth anything even fully functional.
That's a you problem, then.
Even the original fat playstation 3 used to have this issue
2:45 😢
They don’t call that thing as progress. They call that super eco environment friendly.
Once upon a time..
It will work may be one week ore month and will die again, that is the problem of GPU not the soldering problem. There is a bad connection between the cristal and the base of the chip that is why reballing will not help. the replacement of GPU is required for proper repair.
I would add another piece of copper that makes contact to the current heatsink.Or install a small fan in that space beside the fan and see.
mis the pizza 🍕, till tomorow morning😃
Why ppl always send you their devices in full dirty condition?? Awful.
Make toshitba great again! Warrenty till next week.... See you bye!
We have picture !!!!😇
Some older laptops are way better than modern laptops. Thank goodness for eBay and AliExpress, just buy a used motherboard, slap it in and keep on trucking.
True. So many issues, some user-originated, some are faults which happen over time, can be fixed either by the user or a tech-savvy friend. K/b spill or issue. HD/SSD fail. RAM fail or upgrade. Screen damage. Even power button fail. And on most Toshibas, DC jack replacement. Nowadays, it's junked at the 1st problem
Amazing 👍
Max 6 months working....
I have a bunch of those Laptops from the same Year ,this is Satellite L500M , M stands for AMD , At that time Stay clear of AMD chipsets So L500 which is intel Version is way better and AMD at that time No Dual channel Memory so it Runs single channel on Two sticks of DDR2 .But A better Version Is the A500 or A505 .They Last for ever And I was Able to put Windows 10 and Windows 11 on some of them , they have Socketed CPUs so you can upgrade to the highest suitable for that MB.
The issue was common back around 2010s when the manufacturing die size was 90 nanometer. It is all because California back then passed law not to use LEAD for the solder points. Same fix for old fat PS3 reflowing the GPU / CPU with heat gun.
This laptop is so old and slow to the point even as brand new in a box laying on the sidewalk I won't pick it up,lol. Why spend any money or trying to fix this dinosaur?
Absolutely wrong. Read about Nvidia bumpgate. It was earlier than that for Nvidia (around 2006-2008) and the PS3 was affected by this very specific issue, where a reflow doesn't fix anything since the issue is not about the solder balls between the IC and the board. ATi/AMD had a similar issue with the highest failure rates around 2009-2011.
I m first
First this is not laptop this is a Tetris , and I don’t know who decided repair this Tetris , this Tetris need too putt in rubbish bin
This plastic-fantactic reflects more than my bald head.
Proper nice laptop, lol.
new laptop will not last 6 months . 15 years is what we want
I doubt your 15 year old laptop can run most ad riddled websites
@@Takashita_Sukakoki You can run ad-blockers , not much use on RUclips - and plenty of optimisation possible in Windows to get more bangs for your bangs for your buck.