i love the "cursing makes you unladylike" bit b/c yesterday i watched a collection of cut bloopers from 40s-50s black and white movies and the number of ladies that forgot a line and spat "son of a bitch" was frankly re-assuring! like, ah yes, people were people back then, too!
@@gw437 How so? They're both used in the same way. That actress said "son of bitch" when she messed up her line. People today may say "fuck" or "shit" when they look their keys in their car. Both scenarios they are out of irritation. They're very similar in terms of how they are used.
Nobody wants to live in Poland in the 1940’s. Actually scratch that nobody wants to live ANYWHERE in the 1940’s, the 40’s sucked! Doesn’t mean the clothes did though.
I actually love the 1940s era because of fashion, music and films as well, but I certainly don’t want to live in there as an Asian woman. It would kill me physically, emotionally and mentally. Edit: please look up ‘rape of nanking’, it also affects some parts of the asian countries
Nobody would like to live in Poland in the 19th century, because of the Partitions. When it comes to the 20th century, only the 1920's, 1930's and 1990's were quite ok, because it has been the only when we've had our own government.
@@strzyga420 ...and people wears so hungry they ate grass and slept in poorhouses filled with lice, because they couldn't afford housing and women in domestic service were treated like scum, not being able to be called by their given names because "the lady" couldn't be bothered to remember them. But yes, we had a government.
Not entirely vintage related, but I used to have butt length hair because I liked to do vintage hair styles. And it was (and still is) green. I worked admin in a hospital, and to go to the main entrance/good coffee place, I had to walk past the entrance to one of the children's wards. Normally I wore my hair up at work, but this day I had decided to wear it down. A wee girl, her slightly older brother, and their Dad were walking towards the ward as I was coming away from it. This wee girl audibly gasps and says "Daddy! That's a princess!" and her brother laughs at her and says "You're silly. That's a girl ninja turtle!" To this day, 'girl ninja turtle' is the best compliment I have ever received.
I was born in the late '50's, I remember the dresses my Mother wore. They were beautiful, even the house dresses. The shoes and handbags, hats and gloves. I'm a healthy 62 year old, with natural highlights in my long hair. You're helping me realize it's ok to wear what I like. And I agree, things aren't fantastic now but it's a lot better then the year I was born....Every Friday I look for you, waiting to see what fun we'll have. Thank you and everyone involved in this video.
Its been a bit since your comments and am much younger, even though I don’t know you I very much hope you are doing well and still wearing what makes you happy- I’m still struggling with that a little but Rachel’s videos are helping me too
I was talking with my grandparents about their childhood. They told me how they had to leave school and go to work at the tender age of twelve, how my grandmother had to fight her father to actually be independent instead of being stuck cooking and cleaning for her brothers and sisters. They told me most of their friends had alcoholic parents and were starving, living in litteral hovels. They do not romanticize the past. My grandparents taught us how valuable it is to be able to go to school, to be able to earn your own living, to be able to choose what you want to do for a living...
i got the bus once and sat next to this old man. he started to cry. i asked him if he was ok, he told me his late wife looked the way i did (40's in a tdress) when he first met her. she'd passed recently. i gave him a big hug and he showed me pictures of her on his phone. best day of my vintage life.
It was around christmas when my grandparents came over for dinner and it was the first time I dressed fully vintage around my family. My grandma stood in the door and saw me and then she said „you look exactly like your greatgrandmother when she was a young woman. Even your hair looks like hers.“ I think I never received a better compliment. At this moment I knew that I am doing it right and it felt great!
I remember my nana telling me that I looked like her mum when she (my nana) was a kid in the 40s. My grandnana would have been in her 20s and 30s. Though, earlier in my fashion evolution, my nana told me I reminded her of her teenage years in the 50s (my style has evolved backwards)
I've started dressing more vintagey recently and a jamaican man yelled at me from across the parking lot that I was dressed very lovely and I'm still on cloud 9 not gonna lie
Exactly 👏 I don’t understand how dressing from a certain era automatically means that somebody wishes they lived then? I’m just here for the clothes lol 😆
“If I could dress like this around NOBODY, I would.” - I feel this so much, I adore vintage fashion, especially Edwardian era, but I always feel so afraid to wear things out because vintage of any era draws attention to you in public, and it gets worse the older the style. Strangers paying attention to me because of my clothing makes me want to melt into the floor. I think that’s why I dream of one day going to a con or expo centered around vintage fashion, so I could be around others who love what I love without drawing awkward attention to myself in a crowd.
try slowly integrating vintage in your wardrobe so that the people you know will get used to it. the people on the street, you'll never see again and them you. so who cares about them?
perhaps next year you can attend Costume College - I have been wonderfully lucky to actually meet some of the lovely people in this video. and its 4 days of getting to dress however you want and seeing a couple hundred others do the same. :)
The hell with what strangers think. Life is too short to worry about what people who will never know you think. Yes I would probably give a second glance to someone dressed unconventional, but it would be out of admiration.
Yes I felt that too! I also liked that Karolina said that eventually she doesn't notice it anymore. I look forward to that day. I live in a small town so i notice all the looks, especially when I'm picking up my kids from school and I can't wait for the day that I don't notice the stares.
This just reminds me of that video: "If I want to dress like a 1950s housewife whilst simultaneously preaching the exact opposite, that is my right, 'cause this dress has pockets. And I am filled with empowering rage. I invite the government to try me."
And that video gives off "I just had two candy bars, half a thing of straight coffee bean, and 5 shots of espresso and I'm gonna fight god or die trying!" Vibes
the "born in the wrong era" thing is also often brought up around people's music tastes, which I think is quite stupid because now we have endless music that's never further than our cellphones.
I totally agree but I will NEVER be able to attend a 1920s party where everyone dresses right, dances right, and likes the music so I kinda do wish I was born 100 years ago. But I do totally love my phone lol
That or everyone purposefully forgets that those other eras really weren't that great. Yeah, can you really just see some of todays people that are used to todays conveniences trying to live in the Victorian era or the 40's &50's. Edit: this also includes basic human rights and freedoms.
@@Gladiva19 and yet today we have corrupt dictatorship in some countries and innocent civilians dying from hunger/poverty/etc. who have basically no rights, like Myanmar right now for example. Or the women in the middle east who get rap_d or married off at age 11 every week. Yep! Great times today! Every era has its pile of dirt. Does that make the whole era bad? No, not really
When Bernadette said "I would miss memes" I felt that. Edit: OMG! I'VE NEVER GOTTEN THIS MANY LIKES! Thanks, Rachel for replying! Plus, you and Karolina are my muses when it comes to vintage fashion!
My mom died of Covid last month. I've always been attracted to 70s/60s fashion, but I started really collecting it after mom passed because they reminded me of what she wore when she was young. I've been incorporating her style in my fashion ever since I inherited her older clothes. I feel closer to her.
i am very sad to hear of your loss. no covid death is a statistic. grief is sh.t.. its horrible. its an alternate universe. i hope you are finding some comfort.
As a historian, I think that people who say "I was born in the wrong era" just completely forget what is wonderful in our own era: Internet. I mean, yes, you can wish you were born in, let's say, 1840 just because you like 1840s aesthetic. But if you were a random guy or woman in the 1840s, even if you were from the upper class, you wouldn't have been able to hear every music, read every book or watch every play that was released. Because 1) what was written in the 1840s wasn't on-trend back then and people preferred older stuff and 2) if you wanted to hear music or watch a play or whatever you had to wait for it to come to you. You couldn't just wake up in the morning and say "Hey, today I'm gonna listen to Chopin", because a pianist came in your town 2 years ago and now you just have to wait for it to happen again. Nowadays you can have access to an incredible amount of culture, and even for free. So my point is: our era has flaws, and so do other eras. It will always be like this. But what you can do is bring into your life the things you like from other eras, let it be hairstyles, vocabulary or writing with a quill. And if it is something that could make humanity better, for example making your own clothes and not encouraging fast-fashion, you can try to convince people to adopt it as well. And, I don't know about you, but I find that learning lessons from the past is way more interesting than trying to invent the time-travelling machine. Anyway, thank you for your video, hearing different points of view was really interesting! Love from France
I am not an historian at least not an educated historian, i would not even call myself an armature historian, but i do read a lot of history books and i agree with everything you wrote.
Also: medicine: antibiotics and vaccines. You know, cause not cool when 1/3 of kids die before the age of 5 and every small wound can potentially kill you if you are unlucky
Yeah... whenever I hear people tell me how much life was better before, I always answer that I wouldn't want to live in a time when there was neither penicillin nor ibuprofen. And of course, that's not even talking about EVERYTHING ELSE, which makes me think that as a woman I wouldn't even want to live in the 1980s. I mean, when you look at a 'progressive' series like Moonlighting in which you have a main 'strong' female character, just the way men talk to her and the constant low-key contempt with which her love-interest treats her (and which is clearly framed as endearing) with really makes you realize how far we've come during the past 30 years ^^'. Our time isn't perfect and still has a lot of issues (some unresolved, some new and scary like global warming), but socially it's the best it's ever been.
@@mayaklast6334 I have always found it strange when some women say they would like to live in the era of the book Pride and Prejudice which if i remember correctly was written in the late 1790s. Not really the best of time for women to live in.
Ya, my favorite era would either be from the 20s or 30s. I really loved the way women and men dressed. Women, with the short Curley locks mainly flappers, and men with the short hair and some wore vests and ties. But most of all, that was the beginning of the golden age of animation.
Most Europe was not good place to live between 1930 to 1980/90s. Some of nations in Europe was in state of partitions for many years in different time in history like Finland, Portugal, Poland and most of Eastern block an Balkans region.
I'm black and I dress vintage and when people assume that I wish I lived in that time period I get so confused. I'm flabbergasted. It's as if they have absolutely no knowledge of history. I tell them, "Do you see my skin?! Do you see this?? Hell no I don't wish I lived in that time period!"
@@terenarosa4790 Oh, I see. Yeah..Racism was pretty bad at the time but they were starting to get rights! Racism wasn't really common in the west as well. In big cities and all though..It got bad.
I just look at it as “we have so many eras of fashions to pick from, you don’t have to just wear whatever the mall is selling this year” Let us be more accepting of people wearing whatever their body likes best.
Rachel: "I believe that people can wear whatever they want and that's anything from sweatpants to a... full suit of armour" My partner (who wants a full suit of armour): yaaayyyy!
I like the saying, “Vintage fashion, not vintage mindset.” Can’t remember where I first heard it, but it sticks with me! (My style is very 70s so not the worst decade but still)
@Human Being 'White' cultures were not the first to advance. Firstly what do you even regard as white considering that the definition of the 'race' has evolved, 100 years ago Southern Europeans like Italians and Spanish people, Irish people and non Russian slavs were considered not really white or lesser than white somehow. Also after the fall of the Roman Empire, Europe was the backwater of the world. Empires and civilisations across the Middle East, East and South Asia and South America were much more advanced in terms of social mobility, gender norms, health and hygiene, education, technology and philosophy. European Kingdoms consistently were behind in all of these indicators. It was only in the 18th century that they advanced technologically and in the last 100 years that they progressed socially the most which is also debatable considering that racism as we know it today was invented by white Europeans to justify the Atlantic Slave Trade and the Colonialization of Asia and Africa.
@@tanishakohli9110 you forgot to point out that not Western Europeans colonized only, yet everyone uses "white Europeans" as a synonym with "colonizers". "oh yes, the infamous Serbian or Estonian colonies in Asia/Africa /s"
"It makes my childhood self happy." gets me. As a little girl I remember wanting to dress up as Dreamworks princess Anastasia and I wanted to be Mary Poppins and I did dress up in ways that reminded me of it. There's this family anecdote of a little girl stumbling and almost hitting the floor face first because she was staring at me open mouthed and wasn't looking where she was going because I had a Mary Poppins hat when I was like 13. But when I got into my 20's I struggled with depression and forgot how to express myself. Now I'm 29 and much better and I'm walking around in circle skirts and oxfords and it makes me HAPPY. I feel like myself. I like to think my childhood self would find me so cool.
Hey lucky feather, I had a car mount a pavement and almost crash into a pub garden, because the driver was starting at my wowy 50's style of dress!!!!! But what felt even better for me was I am not that young and the driver was, and really handsome (ha ha ha ) it made my day!!!
"so you would have preferred to live during the middle ages" A. I'm a women B. I study biotechnology C. I was born by c-section Considering all the other reasons... NO
I would want to be born 200 years before Christopher Columbus came to turtle island (america) so i could know what it was like to live with my people freely.
“Back then, men were *real* men. Women were *real* women. And small fairy creatures from Alpha Centauri were *real* small fairy creatures from Alpha Centauri.” -Douglas Adams
In my take on this: I feel like maybe if enough women start wearing vintage clothing especially the younger generation, the fashion industry will not have the control they do now on everyone. Most vintage dressers have to make a lot of their own clothing and spend many hours searching for clothing in used stores. Keep on wearing what you love and feel good in, I think all of you look great.
There's an interview with Ruth Goodman a few years ago where the interviewer asked her her favorite time period. Ruth, of course, replied Tudor and listed several reasons. The interviewer then said oh, so if you could live in any time period it'd be Tudor? Ruth looked at her very patiently and explained no, because back then they didn't have modern medicine like vaccines. The interviewer then coyly said, oh but what if you were a *royal*? And Ruth once again patiently replied no, because THEY DIDN'T HAVE VACCINES EITHER. History is nice to visit but none of us should want to live there.
Heavenly Eclipse, that isn’t during the Tudor period, and that was just the smallpox vaccine. There were still other illnesses, it wasn’t as safe to give birth, pasteurization wasn’t a thing, and many other modern inventions we take for granted didn’t exist back then.
@@draculandscout9450 That's true, there were other illnesses. But thanks to a few natural erbs and medicine, along with ancient techniques and learning off of the Indians, depending on what time period, you would be able to most likely survive.
Heavenly Eclipse while some of those ancient techniques you are talking about do sometimes work, there is a reason we use vaccines instead of a crushed plant. More than that, about 14% of infants died before their first birthday, and the average age people lived to was 35 years old, an age that is even less for women because of the risks that childbirth pose.
+A Tree Weren’t he and that Herb Kazaaz guy friends back in the 90s or something? I don’t think that Bojack guy has been relevant since “Horsin’ Around” wrapped up. The last I heard he stole muffins from a Navy Seal, but don’t quote me on this. I think the verdict is still out of the whole “dibs” debate.
It honestly made my skin jump when this beautiful lady says: " they say i look like Eva Braun or a nazi ". Why on earth would someone even come up with that idea to say in the first place? This woman is beautiful and she just shows it. Nothing wrong with that. No need to insult people by your own lack of intelligent. I love the way you dress, I love they way it looks and i love how creative you all are!! XXX hugs...
@@dr_lubaba and the neo-nazis in Germany usually don't wear vintage attire. There is a certain overlap with reenactment (generally medieval / viking /fantasy etc), yes. But the vintage community? No. I've bever had negative experiences with the "vintage commutiny". The *absolute* opposite, actually.
I am old enough to be grandma to most of the people in this discussion and I have just started making and dressing in Edwardian era clothing because now I am retired it doesn't matter what I wear I can do as I please which is wonderful and I don't care what anyone says about me
Trudi Cole I’m fifty next year and have always wanted to dress in Edwardian clothing, but was worried when I started in that direction a few months ago that I was too old, especially for the corsetry, which I love. I’m going to try to stop thinking like that.
I once saw a girl in line at the Starbucks in my local Barnes and Noble who was dressed straight up in the girliest 90s outfit, which isn't common where I live in KY, and my only thought was to admire and envy her courage because I thought it was so beautiful! Being Autistic for me translates to being inherently socially anxious so I don't have the courage most of the time to dress in the vintage way I want to because I'm already potentially Othered in a social setting by my speech or behavior and unaware of it, but this just... encourages me so so much. Thank you Rachel for not only existing, but doing so in the most genuine wonderful way.
The whole “love was so much better back then, when people didn’t just give up” is such bullshit. A lot of people stayed in abusive relationships because getting a divorce was unattainable or socially unacceptable. My grandparents were married when she was 16 and he 30. After 5 kids, she caught him cheating on her with her own sister. With no education and a lot of mouths to feed, the separation didn’t last long and she went back to him. Birth control wasn’t a thing, so she had 7 more kids. You have to do some very severe editing to make it a romantic love story.
I mean, in our country in the past because of culture, you don't get married until your fiance meets the parents and court you; we have this thing called "harana" and it's a form of courtship where men sang to women underneath their windows at nighttime with a guitar and other stuff. You rarely see that anymore, people just date immediately after meeting for the first time then break up later on.
My great-grandfather had about 7-10 kids with his wife, because as you know having children every year was basically mandatory, even if your body couldn't take it. So the wife died giving birth to their last child and great-grandfather remarried. He had 7 more kids with his new wife, including my grandmother. The kids from the first marriage didn't like that situation that much so they all stopped talking to great-grandfather and the second-marriage kids. Great times.
The worst part is that when divorce was first allowed at least in modern times, men were the only ones allowed to request or be grated it. Women were not given that right for a very long time.
@@ttintagel In that time period, it was men who was granted the ability to divorce. Not women. So if the man was abusive, the woman had no say. But if the woman was abusive, they could easily leave.
Lmao I can't believe people had the audacity of asking black people if they wouldn't want to live in the period they dress as I'm not even american and I know they certainly wouldn't want to
I think the only people who actually wants to live in another era are the native americans (from all the continent), I think they really prefer the times before the European arrives to take there lands.
Black people had other eras also, not only slavery... I'm sure many of them would be happy to live in the era before colonialization. It's silly and racist to think that black people don't have any history apart from the slavery times
"You're not gonna accept me anyways, so I've got nothing to lose" Oof, that hits hard. I decided that a few years back, and it's hard to life like that every now and then, but.... It also makes me happy. Plus: "I enjoy making people stop and go _what?_ " Thanks for putting it into words
Really glad you told us about the "vintage fashion not vintage morals" thing bc I see a LOT of "I live a vintage lifestyle so that I can be an authentic 1950s housewife and serve my husband and children" articles in the media. Nice to have an antidote.
That is really fucked up to say in this day and age, plus there are women who lived in the 50s and before that who didn't just 'serve' their husbands... I know from family stories that sometimes it was the woman who was more dominant (kinda proving that gender roles are stupid) and I'm sure many women still alive who lived in that era would be insulted. The things that pass for journalism these days are truly shocking.
I started buying dress patterns to sew vintage dresses. So in turn google started showing me advertisements for vintage cleaning products, and a bunch of them would have a woman laying across her husband's lap getting a beating, or old skin bleaching products for black people. I'm a black woman for reference. So I'm definitely pro vintage fashion, but anti vintage morals.
I cannot TELL you how many times I went somewhere and people ask me what’s the occasion? Why are you so dressed up? Oh if only all women dressed ladylike ... please sir I’m not asking for those comments!!! No slut-shaming women for dressing how they want to dress. I don’t value 1950s society I just simply love vintage clothes is that too much to ask 😭
SpicyBean Tofu ahah the amount of weird comments and attention I got when grocery shopping were crazyy. I hated being noticed in public, but I love alternative looks and fashion (and fun makeup, even as a dude), so idk I felt more at ease in a full gothic punk outfit and makeup, even if people harassed me lol
Lmao I feel you, and I mean hell i even get harassed in plain clothes. Like hell I once had a drunk guy yell at me in the mall for wearing skinny jeans. My style is always getting comments lol.
Same, I don't even dress vintage, I just like midi skirts and even my close friends pretty much everytime they see me they say something like "wow you are so elegant today!" and I'm like "no these are just my clothes"
I absolutely adore this. As a Jewish woman of Eastern European descent, I'm really drawn to the 1940s aesthetic partly BECAUSE of the horrible experiences a lot of women like me went through at the time. I feel like by wearing their clothing and living in their aesthetic, I'm honoring the resilience and strength and power of all the incredible Jewish women who persevered through these times and allowed me to live the way I do today. I feel more connected and almost more respectful to them whenever I dress in their style.
I think people tend to believe love was more “real” back then because divorce wasn’t common. They fail to realize that a lot of marriages were just as messed up, divorce was just very frowned upon.
divorce was also illegal and even once it was made legal you needed to have specific reasons you could prove like that one partner cheated on another. No fault divorce changed everything.
@@OneVintageWitch My grandfather left my grandmother and they got divorced. She had to put 3 of her children in an orphanage including my father because she couldn't afford to raise them (lack of government support and/or child support in the 1920's-30's). Luckily, it was not a horrible experience for my dad and the family was reunited when she remarried. Just thought you'd find that an interesting story.
My grandmother got divorced back maybe in the late 60's as her husband was super abusive and just was an awful dude all around for many reasons and she was left with 3 young sons that she raised by herself until she married my grandfather (they were still together before though and she helped raise my mom and was her mother figure after her mom passed when she was super young). But unfortunately, I think a lot of us believe that people stayed together back then because they really couldn't by stigma a lot of the time and it was also illegal in many places for a very long time.
"Born in the wrong era" is such a funny thing to say to someone, especially women, people of colour and members of the LGBT+ community. Like, what the actual heck? Do you think I would choose fashion and/or music over freedom? Are you crazy? 😂 As a historian and a teacher who likes to dress vintage from time to time, I find it quite hilarious when people make those comments and I usually can't stop myself from at least snorting in amusement. On the other hand, those comments make me a bit sad and worried, since they also show how shallow people's perception of the past really is and how the education system failed them in this regard. We should learn from the mistakes and misgivings of our ancestors, and we can't do it if we erase or sugarcoat the truth about the time and conditions they lived in. Thank you for this video, Rachel! It was awesome and hella informative! 💕💕💕
Its same for people with mental illness. The things people did in the past are horrifying and so inhumane, some of it are not even that long ago and sometimes still happens in some places. some people to live in the past but as someone who is schizophrenia /schizoaffective ill be dead or worse if i was born in the past, its juts a hard no for me.
You don't even have to choose, because in this era you can still enjoy fashion and music from other eras. You have the freedom to buy a vintage dress or ask your barber for a vintage haircut. About music, it is probably much easier to enjoy it now than it was back in the day. Back in the day you could afford one single, that is why they sell singles. Nowadays you can have whole discographies of as many people of the 70s as you want in your phone.
“Dude, it’s a costume. I know I’m not Marie Antoinnette!” Favorite quote that ever was. I might use it...Lots of love to you and all these amazing people ❤️❤️❤️
I appreciate that you looked at yourself and went "I am a white woman who cannot speak for others' historic oppression" and then recruited multiple people of colour, people from the LGBTQ+ community, AND disabled people (w some overlap) and let them tell their experiences and views on the topic rather than speaking over or trying to summarise them. That's neat. 👍
I have worked at a tearoom for years, and it brings me so much joy when people come in dressed in vintage or in costumes. My personal favorite was a giant group that came from a party dressed as passengers from the Titanic. They were all sweethearts and so excited to be wearing what they loved that they had all made themselves. All in various levels of "accurate", but all comfortable and happy.
I'm obsessed with the Middle Ages and love wearing dresses from Holy Clothing and going to Renaissance Fairs in them, but I also like having indoor plumbing, vaccines, many delicious food options, comfortable shelter during winter, modern hospitals, and not getting burned alive for being a Pagan.
Comfortable shelter for winter?? Most middle aged houses were built with stone. Stone keeps you warm in Winter and cool in Summer. Also you're acting like blankets and fireplaces weren't a thing. As well as natural food.
@@hannahbg1852 "Warm" by medieval standards just means "not freezing". Like, my house can drop to 55 dregrees (13 Celsius) if my heater goes out. Sure, I'll live, and I have blankets, but I'd sure be more comfortable at 68F (20 C) degrees.
@@starspeculation Ok cool, but you're also forgetting the fact that natural fire is very warm and comfortable. As someone who has been near fire and blankets while camping in cold weather, I can confirm it is very comfortable.
I never dressed vintage, but I did go through every stereotypical fashion phase in the book. The "loudest" one was my emo/scene phase which was so much fun. I mean, I got to have blue hair, wear hot pink chainlink skinny jeans, and wear heavy eye make up. It was just fun and sometimes my outfits were actually on point for once in my life lol. My funny story about it is I went to visit family and my aunt asked, "oh, so are you one of those *emus* now?" I busted out laughing and corrected her and it became an inside joke with my family for a while. Bless her heart for trying. She's always been really kind to everyone
I've long been terribly uncomfortable with myself. never felt pretty enough, and felt uglier when I tried. But when I discovered Vintage community it started to change. I was nervous at first, but now I even wear bumper bangs and a ponytail with a scarf tied in it TO WORK. There is this new power I have over making an effort in my appearance, that I actually like. I see my reflection and SMILE. Discovering vintage helped me discover a part of myself that I didn't even know was there. If someone tells me I look like Rosie the Riveter, I'm like " Thank you!" I get a lot of compliments, but I have a favorite. One of my coworkers told me that they were reading an article about " Hair styles that that are gone we wish would come back" or something like that. And that they immediately thought of me and thought to themselves " HA, I already know someone who wears some of these. They aren't gone" and that I was Cool. lmao I don't know why but I was flattered.
I used to say 'born in the wrong era', too, when I was younger. And then I read a history book outside of what my school gave me, was horrified, and stopped saying that sh*t.
Yeah dude. I used to be all like 'I'm not like other girls' until I realised that 1) I was just perpetuating harmful stereotypes against other girls and 2) not wearing dresses and makeup doesn't make you better than others, it just makes you someone who doesn't wear dresses and makeup. I'm glad I stopped being so judgemental, even if it was accidentally.
@@sketchingstudio5552 I just saw myself as unique individual who happened to be a girl. I never put down other woman but rather I never saw the need to group all of us togethor as with the same personalities and habits. I am pretty feminine but I like the innocent laid back fem look. And that really fits with my personality. We need to just focus on not putting down each other for no reason unless we have a genuine reason behind it.
School loves to demonize the past. I feel horrible that you actually listened to that and it stuck with you..Like damn, I actually feel really bad for you.
@@tagz5186 In many ways it was better, in others, it wasn't. People, without technology, were obviously more outgoing and together as a community. People had manners, manners were one of the most important things back then. People kept a healthy diet and immune system because of the fresh food and air. Education systems were far more easier and actually taught children the things they need to know. Not just random useless shit. On the other hand, depending on the place and time, there was lack of medicine, racism, and if you really wanna count it, sexism.
This sort of romanticizing the past also happens a lot in the comments of those old footage videos of the 19th & early 20th century. Lots of "back when men were men and women were women" and "life was so much better back then" and "see how no one's looking down at their phone 24/7" etc.
@@jellyfish0311 Exactly! Pretty sure people have always used whatever's at their disposal to signal that they want to be left alone. And even if they weren't deliberately used as a way to avoid conversation, there were still other people who'd go, "Look at these people, always glued to their newspapers or those dang novels."
I've resorted to never reading the comments of those videos because it makes me mad. It's like, if you like the clothes then dress like that - people do still have pride in what they wear they just express it differently.
This is the best reaction EVER to the "born in the wrong era" debacle. Not only do we have the opportunity today to practice "historical winnowing," actively sifting out the lovely moments and innovations, and equally actively choosing to no longer perpetuate problematic actions and treatments of fellow people, but we also have the opportunity to seek out the stories of people like us (women, people of color, LGBTQ+, etc - because they were there, don't let any textbook fool you) whose voices were not necessarily audible in their own time, and reclaim them, to give them a place in the narrative and to have representation in contemporary imagination.
My favorite dressing vintage story is that I had a little boy stop me in the grocery store staying I looked like a princess. I have never had a better interaction. I also find that so many people who I hardly know give me vintage or vintage style clothes because they know I will wear them. The other day I was given 6 petticoats from the 1950s.
Yesss I love making little kids happy! Or just confused 😂❤️ my nieces and nephews have the automatic instinct to "wipe off" their faces after I smooch them because of my lipstick 😂😂😂 (even if I'm not wearing any and that lippie ain't coming off anyway lolol)
@@PrincessKLS for most of history men forced women to be a certain way creating a damned if you do and damned if you don't senario that had lasted all the way into the current era. Women are mocked for being too feminine, women are mocked for not being feminine enough. Deviation from the norm was unlikely to have been photographed. When people say "back when x was x" they are complaining that too many people don't mean THEIR obtuse arbitrary standards and THEIR perspectives on a time period. Usually they are mad that they aren't being catered to anymore if ever and if they lived during the time period they are mad that things change.
@@PrincessKLS You can make this point when women aren't required to wear high heels are a part of the average modern day office dress code. Or when we're not considered "unprofessional" or "unpolished" for not wearing makeup or shaving our legs to go to work. A few kids on the internet making fun of you for liking pink doesn't begin to compare to way femininity is still forced upon women to this fucking day. If you like doing it, great. But not every woman who does these things does it because she wants to, and lets not pretens like masculine/gnc women have it easier than the rest of us, yeah?
@@PrincessKLS They were absolutely shamed. Women's interests have always been viewed as "frivolous", from the music they like, to the activities they enjoy and the clothes that they were. Women back then didn't have the respect of men for being exceptionally good at make-up or sewing. These were seen as feminine activites that men wouldn't stoop to.
"youre not going to accept me anyways....i dont have anything to lose" nearly moved me to tears. thats basically my life motto and i guess just hearing someone else say it makes me feel so happy. more people need to live for theirself and not care what other people think! its such a freeing mindset.
I hate the posts that show men in the 50 and 40s wearing suits then a picture of a guy today with a man bun and the caption is like "what happened? 😔" fashion changes every 10 years. That's what happened. Also I hope they don't find out how men dressed in the 1400 and 1500s. . .
Ok but remember a couple of years ago when guys were walking around with their pants hanging past under their butts ?? It's that kind of thing that makes people like me say this . I'm all about casual wear but that's just a no .
Considering I'm disabled and bi who very much wants to kiss my girlfriend in public I will still watch my old movies and wear my fancy clothes. And I will greatly appreciate my indoor plumbing.
Vintage fashion very much seems to be more accessible than current fashion. I find vintage/Vintage style dresses to be an immediate mood lifter even when I'm having a flare and feel like I'm in too much pain to do anything. The longer, looser skirts are far easier to sit in - be it in a wheelchair or just on a sofa - and don't put strain on any limbs, organs or joints.
@@emjenkins464 Even modern shoes I have issues with. They never fit right, either too loose at the heel or too tight around the toes. Modern fashion seems designed to cause pain and discomfort, which is why I don't bother with it.
hell yes bring me back to a time where i would have been literally beaten to death in the nearest town for being a catholic. ThaTSOuNDS ReAL fUn JIMmmY
I used to know a woman who was in her thirties and had severe health issues, and yet would talk all the time about wanting to be a Victorian lady with tuberculosis, because that was "so romantic." And you would have such a fair, pale complexion, too. I hope she got the therapy she needed.
I have always wanted a Victorian style home, with all the bright colours painted on the outside, because I've always wanted to live in my childhood dollhouse. However, if I were ever to actually get said Victorian home, it would be completely modern on the inside. Because I'm not insane! I like having my wifi and my 42" flat screen TV!
Heck I live in an Italianate home (About the same time as the Victorian home era) it fucking sucks living in this money pit. It's always cold, something breaks every week, and a lot of the stuff can't be replaced.
Honestly this was so eye opening for me, here’s why. I am a creative person who loves to learn about historical clothing. So like after watching a period piece I’ll look up if the costumes were ACCURATE kind of nerd. I have many friends who cosplay and dress period but here’s the catch, I was today years old when I learned that I was prejudiced against these people because I assumed they wanted to live in those time periods. THANK YOU for this enlightening video. I should have just asked my friends how they felt about the social issues of the time period they’re dressing in instead of silently judging them. Now that I’ve listened to these interviews I realize how silly that is and MAYBE just maybe I’ll finally let myself cosplay a time period just because I feel like it.
Cathy's point of not wanting to dress like everyone else and having nothing to lose because they won't accept you anyway ❤ I realised that very early in life and have always been encouraged to march to my own drum (thanks mum, for homeschooling me till 10yo and taking me to medieval reenactments from almost birth 😁), so brushing off people's harsher comments/sneers is pretty much second nature for me. I've found that honouring your inner truth, whether through how you dress or makeup or behaviour, will always illicit a reaction from others, be it good or bad. There is comfort and security in knowing yourself that cannot be diminished or lost ❤
That part really resonated with me too. When I was in school i was super gothic and i remember thinking that exact thing at the time when my parents and friends parents would complain about something as simple as a long black coat (ironically very edwardian inspired trench coat)
Super lucky to be born in an era where you show 2020 that vintage is still a thing and is thriving, your style is you and should make you happy, and no one else, love you Rachel♥️♥️♥️
It’s also important to remember most of the fashion we think about whenever we reminisce on an era is what the rich people of that time wore. I love the Edwardian era styles even though, realistically, had I lived during that time period I’d probably be the maid to all those girls in the beautiful dresses.
It's fun for me as a person who goes for reproduction clothing versus extant garments (I don't want to destroy irreplaceable pieces of history, and my favorite styles run from late 19th to early 20th centuries), I'm relegated to the kinds of clothing someone in the same financial situation as me would have worn at the time, in my case more workwear/middle class articles. The better suits are as out of reach for me as they would have been for them. It can be a little frustrating, but it's also kind of cool to me, I guess
In a roundabout way, this comment reminds me of that Downtown Abbey story arc where the rich relative pretends to be poor, and the poor guy who's enamoured with her says, "You're so fancy and well-spoken, you must be a lady's maid!"
"I love the look of classic cars but I would take the modern parts on the inside" My dream car would be to buy an old broken down 60s VW Bus, fix it up, and convert it into an electric car with modern parts. In a world with modern technology and classic aesthetics, why can't I have both?
That sounds awesome! My dad built an electric cart type vehicle in the 90’s to use in the large food processing plant he worked in as a refrigeration mechanic. He was smart like that.,
I understand ALL of the facts concerning "not wanting to live in the past" the past is awful, for everyone but wealthy men. However, cars, in my, and only my, opinion are definitely better, completely before technology became involved. The vintage age is strictly mechanics. Nuts, bolts gears and bolts. No computers. Easier to fix without specialized equipment, and a whole lot less money.
I recently ran in to a woman and she started crying and was totally overwhelmed.. luckily it were tears of joy:) I brought back good memories for her. That was such a beautiful moment. But usually people assume or ask if I’m going to a party.. We have a Dutch saying “life is a party but you have to decorate for it yourself” so I basically reply with that.
My husband and I want a Victorian Smart-home. Old, but make it tech. That’s how I approach vintage dress. Gorgeous aesthetic with modern conveniences 💕
I love what Dandy Wellington said about us being historians. I've never really heard it put that way, but that's what I am. I don't know if it's because I was raised by my grandmother and growing up submerged in antiques, but I've always sort of geeked out on history.
Plus, if you lived back then, then the fashion or cars or music and activities wouldn’t have been that special or have the vintage charms because it would just be your normal day to day life.
Attending car shows and looking like a women in the 1950's, I remember a women said "you look like me when I was in the 1950's" I felt great like I am doing something right AND while walking towards an eldery man and women, the man nodded and the women smiled to me, it was a great moment! Thank for the video.
I’ve seen people say “this is the most ambitious crossover event ever!” When it was about two or three people collaborating. But this, this truly is the most ambitious costube/vintage crossover event ever. Well done. And I definitely agree with “vintage fashion, not vintage values”. I’m a woman, and I’m disabled and I’m queer. The 40s would not have been a great time for me. I love the clothes. That’s it. I do not love the lack of rights that I and many of my friends would have. That would suck. No thank you. The same goes for the era of music I most love (60s and 70s, I love me some classic rock). Like sure, I’d definitely take a day trip back to Woodstock, but I wouldn’t want to live back then, because life just wouldn’t be great for me (what with the lack of rights and my sexuality being literally illegal and everything). Great music, but I can enjoy that great music now, I don’t have to go back and live in that era to enjoy the music I like. Also, a lot of people assume that because I wear mostly 40s style clothing, that I’d prefer 40s style music. Not the case! I love classic rock- an entirely different era. And I think that comes with the “well you wear that style, so you must love everything about that era!” It’s not true. I don’t even love old movies all that much. I have a few favourites, like Rear Window, but I’m not a massive old movie buff or anything. My favourite movie is probably Dogma or Twister.
21:10 "I manifested myself into a woman that my childhood self would look up to.." I was this old when I realized that's what I've been working towards my whole life. That resonated with me on an entirely different level. Life is funny like that at times..
“When ladies were not as intimidating because they were systematically disempowered.” Surprise, boys. Ladies back then might have different expectations of you, too.
Reminds me a lot of some of the hardcore Christians online (think The Transformed Wife or even just Girl Defined) who claim that modern women are being masculine for.... Having careers?? Not rushing to get married to a man the moment they are of legal age?? Wanting their partner to participate in house chores and child raising?? Daring to speak their minds rather than nodding and smiling when the men are talking??
I really recommend the book The Way We Never Were if anyone's looking for a thorough debunking of the "when women were women" and "born in the wrong era" nostalgia (kept getting interrupted while watching so sorry if it was already mentioned in the video!)
Ahhh Rachel, This was even more beautiful to hear 3 years later. Unfortunately I feel it needs to be re told and re told, how wonderful that there is you and all these other beautiful people to speak love, truth and share their thoughts! With love and hope for all, Audri
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i love the "cursing makes you unladylike" bit b/c yesterday i watched a collection of cut bloopers from 40s-50s black and white movies and the number of ladies that forgot a line and spat "son of a bitch" was frankly re-assuring! like, ah yes, people were people back then, too!
OHHH I saw the same, on Tumblr? I know it's from Twitter tho, where did you see it 👀?
I saw that too! I could watch it all day :)
Actually, I watched a vintage blooper from Warner bros, and it showed a women cursing when she messed up on a line. No one seemed to mind it.
Ya it's from Warner bros movies, and if you look up the breakdown of 1939 you can find Porky pig saying, " s-s-son of a bitch!"
It's on RUclips.
@@gw437 How so? They're both used in the same way. That actress said "son of bitch" when she messed up her line. People today may say "fuck" or "shit" when they look their keys in their car. Both scenarios they are out of irritation.
They're very similar in terms of how they are used.
People to Karolina: you must wish you lived in the forties!
Karolina: I’M FRICKIN POLISH
Nobody wants to live in Poland in the 1940’s. Actually scratch that nobody wants to live ANYWHERE in the 1940’s, the 40’s sucked! Doesn’t mean the clothes did though.
yes! my friend asked me if i wished i lived in the 50s. my response was i’m biracial and gay. i wouldve been dead in 10 minutes
I actually love the 1940s era because of fashion, music and films as well, but I certainly don’t want to live in there as an Asian woman. It would kill me physically, emotionally and mentally.
Edit: please look up ‘rape of nanking’, it also affects some parts of the asian countries
Nobody would like to live in Poland in the 19th century, because of the Partitions. When it comes to the 20th century, only the 1920's, 1930's and 1990's were quite ok, because it has been the only when we've had our own government.
@@strzyga420 ...and people wears so hungry they ate grass and slept in poorhouses filled with lice, because they couldn't afford housing and women in domestic service were treated like scum, not being able to be called by their given names because "the lady" couldn't be bothered to remember them. But yes, we had a government.
Not entirely vintage related, but I used to have butt length hair because I liked to do vintage hair styles. And it was (and still is) green. I worked admin in a hospital, and to go to the main entrance/good coffee place, I had to walk past the entrance to one of the children's wards. Normally I wore my hair up at work, but this day I had decided to wear it down. A wee girl, her slightly older brother, and their Dad were walking towards the ward as I was coming away from it. This wee girl audibly gasps and says
"Daddy! That's a princess!"
and her brother laughs at her and says
"You're silly. That's a girl ninja turtle!"
To this day, 'girl ninja turtle' is the best compliment I have ever received.
That's adorable!
How do you style long hair in a vintage way, if you don't mind me asking ? Most of the tutorial I see are about shoulder length hair
I would have gone with "mermaid," but yeah, girl ninja turtle is so much cooler!
I’ve gotten fairy with my purple hair from a little girl. Which is amazing since I don’t have a sylph like body type.
evelepic216 moss woman.
Uhhhhh.... I'm pretty sure that makes you "Princess Ninja Turtle" and I for one, welcome you, your highness!
I was born in the late '50's, I remember the dresses my Mother wore. They were beautiful, even the house dresses. The shoes and handbags, hats and gloves. I'm a healthy 62 year old, with natural highlights in my long hair. You're helping me realize it's ok to wear what I like. And I agree, things aren't fantastic now but it's a lot better then the year I was born....Every Friday I look for you, waiting to see what fun we'll have. Thank you and everyone involved in this video.
Its been a bit since your comments and am much younger, even though I don’t know you I very much hope you are doing well and still wearing what makes you happy- I’m still struggling with that a little but Rachel’s videos are helping me too
My historic TikTok idea is “POV I’m a 1922 doctor prescribing you cocaine for your bad headache”
Can I get some leaches for this fever while your at it Dr lol
when i tell you i wheezed
Taylor Johnson I need my humours balanced
Veingnkn the laudanum!
j Thompson lol but the 20’s, they didn’t do humours anymore
You really assembled the avengers of the vintage and historical costuming community, huh? Iconic.
Breanna Owen Okay, now I need a Costube Avengers Part II video! 😂
Imma need Jessica in here b4 I call for an assemble
This is exactly what I was thinking! Thank you for putting it out there.
“Back when women were women.” I too miss the days before all women transformed into eldritch water spirits.
Hahaha WATER SPIRITS FOREVER
WE UNITE!
As a swamp harpy, I feel personally attacked
Excuse? I'm a siren dammit!
Perfect comment is perfect 😂
I was talking with my grandparents about their childhood. They told me how they had to leave school and go to work at the tender age of twelve, how my grandmother had to fight her father to actually be independent instead of being stuck cooking and cleaning for her brothers and sisters. They told me most of their friends had alcoholic parents and were starving, living in litteral hovels. They do not romanticize the past. My grandparents taught us how valuable it is to be able to go to school, to be able to earn your own living, to be able to choose what you want to do for a living...
i got the bus once and sat next to this old man. he started to cry. i asked him if he was ok, he told me his late wife looked the way i did (40's in a tdress) when he first met her. she'd passed recently. i gave him a big hug and he showed me pictures of her on his phone. best day of my vintage life.
That's beautiful.
Vintage Camera Girl well now I’m crying
oh that's so sweet!
Wow, that so sweet!
Awe, poor man :(
It was around christmas when my grandparents came over for dinner and it was the first time I dressed fully vintage around my family. My grandma stood in the door and saw me and then she said „you look exactly like your greatgrandmother when she was a young woman. Even your hair looks like hers.“ I think I never received a better compliment. At this moment I knew that I am doing it right and it felt great!
Ok, I don't know why but reading that just made me cry. Maybe it was the acceptance and admiration of your family.
thats so beautiful 🥺
that is amazing and wholesome
I remember my nana telling me that I looked like her mum when she (my nana) was a kid in the 40s. My grandnana would have been in her 20s and 30s.
Though, earlier in my fashion evolution, my nana told me I reminded her of her teenage years in the 50s (my style has evolved backwards)
I love that. I hope one day I could receive a compliment for wearing what I love ❤
“I don’t see anything wrong with being a story.” - Karolina Żebrowska, 2020
New favourite quote.
RIGHT??? SAME. I was like DAMN GIRL that's more powerful than you realize
Heck yes! And Cathy's point about having nothing to lose because no one likes you anyway hit me real hard.
Just make it a good one 💙💙
I've started dressing more vintagey recently and a jamaican man yelled at me from across the parking lot that I was dressed very lovely and I'm still on cloud 9 not gonna lie
Awwww
Vintage fashion isn’t about wanting to live in the past, it’s about taking the beautiful parts of the past and re-contextualising them in the present.
PREACH
Abso-frickin-lately!!!!!
Perfect explanation 👌🏻❤️
Well said!!! ❤️👆💯
Exactly 👏 I don’t understand how dressing from a certain era automatically means that somebody wishes they lived then? I’m just here for the clothes lol 😆
I love how everyone was like “I enjoy the rights I have now!” and Bernadette was like “I’d miss memes!”
Caricatures are just proto-memes
I love your pic
“If I could dress like this around NOBODY, I would.” - I feel this so much, I adore vintage fashion, especially Edwardian era, but I always feel so afraid to wear things out because vintage of any era draws attention to you in public, and it gets worse the older the style. Strangers paying attention to me because of my clothing makes me want to melt into the floor. I think that’s why I dream of one day going to a con or expo centered around vintage fashion, so I could be around others who love what I love without drawing awkward attention to myself in a crowd.
Anna Hill Same!
try slowly integrating vintage in your wardrobe so that the people you know will get used to it. the people on the street, you'll never see again and them you. so who cares about them?
perhaps next year you can attend Costume College - I have been wonderfully lucky to actually meet some of the lovely people in this video. and its 4 days of getting to dress however you want and seeing a couple hundred others do the same. :)
The hell with what strangers think. Life is too short to worry about what people who will never know you think. Yes I would probably give a second glance to someone dressed unconventional, but it would be out of admiration.
Yes I felt that too! I also liked that Karolina said that eventually she doesn't notice it anymore. I look forward to that day. I live in a small town so i notice all the looks, especially when I'm picking up my kids from school and I can't wait for the day that I don't notice the stares.
This just reminds me of that video:
"If I want to dress like a 1950s housewife whilst simultaneously preaching the exact opposite, that is my right, 'cause this dress has pockets. And I am filled with empowering rage. I invite the government to try me."
lol what video is that?!
We want our answers!
And that video gives off "I just had two candy bars, half a thing of straight coffee bean, and 5 shots of espresso and I'm gonna fight god or die trying!" Vibes
What video is this?
Hell hath no fury like a woman with pockets!
the "born in the wrong era" thing is also often brought up around people's music tastes, which I think is quite stupid because now we have endless music that's never further than our cellphones.
Yes, this!!
I totally agree but I will NEVER be able to attend a 1920s party where everyone dresses right, dances right, and likes the music so I kinda do wish I was born 100 years ago. But I do totally love my phone lol
That or everyone purposefully forgets that those other eras really weren't that great.
Yeah, can you really just see some of todays people that are used to todays conveniences trying to live in the Victorian era or the 40's &50's.
Edit: this also includes basic human rights and freedoms.
@@josephodell4830 You should host one! (after this is all over, of course)
pineapple jester I would but the girls would come in the little black fringed dress and NOBODY would dance right lmao 😂
This is even more important during these times. “I like the fashion, not how certain groups of people were treated, marginalized, murdered.”
Jup this!
I love mid victorian era fashion, but the victorian era was kinda really shit.
@@maximellow5745 Not really. There are alot of misconceptions of that era, not every era is perfect though. I advise you to do more research!
@@hannahbg1852 oh you know slavery, women did have rights. Great time!
*Sarcasm*
@@Gladiva19 and yet today we have corrupt dictatorship in some countries and innocent civilians dying from hunger/poverty/etc. who have basically no rights, like Myanmar right now for example. Or the women in the middle east who get rap_d or married off at age 11 every week. Yep! Great times today! Every era has its pile of dirt. Does that make the whole era bad? No, not really
@@Zeldafan1ify the point is that it was way worse before. and what you stated doesnt change anything they said
When Bernadette said "I would miss memes" I felt that.
Edit: OMG! I'VE NEVER GOTTEN THIS MANY LIKES! Thanks, Rachel for replying! Plus, you and Karolina are my muses when it comes to vintage fashion!
Speaking the real truths 🙏😂❤️
Zaire Wilson how do I like a comment more than once 😂
Me too. I love memes.
I was born before memes and still can't imagine a world without them
I'm old enough to not be able to make one and I would still miss them.
My mom died of Covid last month. I've always been attracted to 70s/60s fashion, but I started really collecting it after mom passed because they reminded me of what she wore when she was young. I've been incorporating her style in my fashion ever since I inherited her older clothes. I feel closer to her.
My condolences. Lean into the fashion if it comforts you.
i am very sad to hear of your loss.
no covid death is a statistic. grief is sh.t.. its horrible. its an alternate universe. i hope you are finding some comfort.
What a wonderful way to remember your mom.
That sounds like a beautiful way to pay tribute to her memory.
Sending so much love, man ❤
When she said “i became the person my childhood self would look up to,” I realized that’s exactly what I wanted
I’ve been doing my best to do this for the past several years and I’ve never felt more fulfilled.💚
Me too. It was really cute.
As a historian, I think that people who say "I was born in the wrong era" just completely forget what is wonderful in our own era: Internet. I mean, yes, you can wish you were born in, let's say, 1840 just because you like 1840s aesthetic. But if you were a random guy or woman in the 1840s, even if you were from the upper class, you wouldn't have been able to hear every music, read every book or watch every play that was released. Because 1) what was written in the 1840s wasn't on-trend back then and people preferred older stuff and 2) if you wanted to hear music or watch a play or whatever you had to wait for it to come to you. You couldn't just wake up in the morning and say "Hey, today I'm gonna listen to Chopin", because a pianist came in your town 2 years ago and now you just have to wait for it to happen again. Nowadays you can have access to an incredible amount of culture, and even for free.
So my point is: our era has flaws, and so do other eras. It will always be like this. But what you can do is bring into your life the things you like from other eras, let it be hairstyles, vocabulary or writing with a quill. And if it is something that could make humanity better, for example making your own clothes and not encouraging fast-fashion, you can try to convince people to adopt it as well.
And, I don't know about you, but I find that learning lessons from the past is way more interesting than trying to invent the time-travelling machine.
Anyway, thank you for your video, hearing different points of view was really interesting!
Love from France
I am not an historian at least not an educated historian, i would not even call myself an armature historian, but i do read a lot of history books and i agree with everything you wrote.
Also: medicine: antibiotics and vaccines. You know, cause not cool when 1/3 of kids die before the age of 5 and every small wound can potentially kill you if you are unlucky
Yeah... whenever I hear people tell me how much life was better before, I always answer that I wouldn't want to live in a time when there was neither penicillin nor ibuprofen. And of course, that's not even talking about EVERYTHING ELSE, which makes me think that as a woman I wouldn't even want to live in the 1980s. I mean, when you look at a 'progressive' series like Moonlighting in which you have a main 'strong' female character, just the way men talk to her and the constant low-key contempt with which her love-interest treats her (and which is clearly framed as endearing) with really makes you realize how far we've come during the past 30 years ^^'. Our time isn't perfect and still has a lot of issues (some unresolved, some new and scary like global warming), but socially it's the best it's ever been.
@@mayaklast6334 I have always found it strange when some women say they would like to live in the era of the book Pride and Prejudice which if i remember correctly was written in the late 1790s. Not really the best of time for women to live in.
Ya, my favorite era would either be from the 20s or 30s.
I really loved the way women and men dressed. Women, with the short Curley locks mainly flappers, and men with the short hair and some wore vests and ties. But most of all, that was the beginning of the golden age of animation.
Bernadette bringing the truth:
"I would miss memes"
Imagine assuming a polish person wanted to live in the 40s...
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Rachel: We are all...
Me: *expecting humans, beautiful, etc*
Rachel: M E A T B A G S
Mikaela Fortunata Addams good ol Rachel 😂
New merch please
***swoon***
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It's the straight truth lol
Karolina’s point was my favorite 😂 1940s Poland was the WORST
40s Spain would like to join the chat, just from the other side of the political spectrum.
Most Europe was not good place to live between 1930 to 1980/90s. Some of nations in Europe was in state of partitions for many years in different time in history like Finland, Portugal, Poland and most of Eastern block an Balkans region.
@@SeleneSalvatore Yeah, exactly, I wouldn't want to have lived anywhere during the 1940s
True 😂 Everywhere was a mess. Poland just got beat up relentlessly by its neighbors
It was
I'm black and I dress vintage and when people assume that I wish I lived in that time period I get so confused. I'm flabbergasted. It's as if they have absolutely no knowledge of history. I tell them, "Do you see my skin?! Do you see this?? Hell no I don't wish I lived in that time period!"
Well um.
Slavery was illegal in August 1821
But wasn't fully ended until the 1860s in America
It was illegal in France in 1792 as well
@@hannahbg1852 I dress 1950’s/60’s.
@@terenarosa4790 Oh, I see. Yeah..Racism was pretty bad at the time but they were starting to get rights! Racism wasn't really common in the west as well. In big cities and all though..It got bad.
@@hannahbg1852 how old are you?
@@terenarosa4790 Umm..Why?
I just look at it as “we have so many eras of fashions to pick from, you don’t have to just wear whatever the mall is selling this year” Let us be more accepting of people wearing whatever their body likes best.
Rachel: "I believe that people can wear whatever they want and that's anything from sweatpants to a... full suit of armour"
My partner (who wants a full suit of armour): yaaayyyy!
Absolutely! It's getting kind of hot here for plate armor, though 🤔🙃
Elsif Maybe a nice padded gambeson with a chain shirt over it?
Dark fantasy/Strega goth here and I APPROVE!😂💚💚💚
I like the saying, “Vintage fashion, not vintage mindset.” Can’t remember where I first heard it, but it sticks with me! (My style is very 70s so not the worst decade but still)
Saving this so I don’t forget it lol
i like to say “old fashion, not old fashioned.”
My style personality isn’t vintage, but if I could get a rumor going around my school that I was a ghost, I would be BEYOND HYPED
Imagine thinking that a _Polish woman_ would be happy to live in 1940s Poland 😅
@Human Being I'm good. At least I'm not a domestic slave to my husband and can dictate my own choices how I see fit
@Human Being 'White' cultures were not the first to advance. Firstly what do you even regard as white considering that the definition of the 'race' has evolved, 100 years ago Southern Europeans like Italians and Spanish people, Irish people and non Russian slavs were considered not really white or lesser than white somehow. Also after the fall of the Roman Empire, Europe was the backwater of the world. Empires and civilisations across the Middle East, East and South Asia and South America were much more advanced in terms of social mobility, gender norms, health and hygiene, education, technology and philosophy. European Kingdoms consistently were behind in all of these indicators. It was only in the 18th century that they advanced technologically and in the last 100 years that they progressed socially the most which is also debatable considering that racism as we know it today was invented by white Europeans to justify the Atlantic Slave Trade and the Colonialization of Asia and Africa.
Alma Mater, well, I would say Polish women were a lot more "happier" than... let's say, any Muslim women back then and... today no? ;-)
@@tanishakohli9110 you forgot to point out that not Western Europeans colonized only, yet everyone uses "white Europeans" as a synonym with "colonizers". "oh yes, the infamous Serbian or Estonian colonies in Asia/Africa /s"
The 40s were pure hell for Poland
"It makes my childhood self happy." gets me. As a little girl I remember wanting to dress up as Dreamworks princess Anastasia and I wanted to be Mary Poppins and I did dress up in ways that reminded me of it. There's this family anecdote of a little girl stumbling and almost hitting the floor face first because she was staring at me open mouthed and wasn't looking where she was going because I had a Mary Poppins hat when I was like 13. But when I got into my 20's I struggled with depression and forgot how to express myself. Now I'm 29 and much better and I'm walking around in circle skirts and oxfords and it makes me HAPPY. I feel like myself. I like to think my childhood self would find me so cool.
Hey lucky feather, I had a car mount a pavement and almost crash into a pub garden, because the driver was starting at my wowy 50's style of dress!!!!! But what felt even better for me was I am not that young and the driver was, and really handsome (ha ha ha ) it made my day!!!
luckyfeather this made me emotional. It’s incredible what self-expression and doing what makes you happy can do for your life 🖤⭐️🖤⭐️
I think the little girl you would find the current you cool, too :)
Anastasia is from Fox tho
"so you would have preferred to live during the middle ages"
A. I'm a women
B. I study biotechnology
C. I was born by c-section
Considering all the other reasons... NO
Look at it this way. A woman born by c-section? You would have been able to kill Macbeth twice over.
I would want to be born 200 years before Christopher Columbus came to turtle island (america) so i could know what it was like to live with my people freely.
Lyssa's Straykids Sad Hours the only real excuse to want to go back
I like being clean and eating tasty food (while not being rich) ... So it's also a NO from me 😂
Same tho... 😂
Living in a cottage in the forest with my gay af wife in the 21st century, acting as if it's the 12th century!
“Why should I not travel widely? I want to be well traveled” in terms of time.... man I love how Cathy Hay articulates this. She’s dead on.
"I appreciate having the right to vote, having a polio vaccine, and MEMES! I would miss MEMES!" -Bernadette Banner 😂
"There was a rumor going around that I was a ghost" That is the _dream_
“Back then, men were *real* men. Women were *real* women. And small fairy creatures from Alpha Centauri were *real* small fairy creatures from Alpha Centauri.” -Douglas Adams
Thank you so much!!!! You made my day!
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Feminist are going to get offended about this comment.lol
I totally agree with you.
What???
@@Lalalu74 why should feminist get offended by this? You know that the comment is ironic right?
“Your not gonna accept me anyways, so I’ve got nothing too lose” that hit hard
Oooof. What I wish my younger self knew.
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In my take on this: I feel like maybe if enough women start wearing vintage clothing especially the younger generation, the fashion industry will not have the control they do now on everyone. Most vintage dressers have to make a lot of their own clothing and
spend many hours searching for clothing in used stores. Keep on wearing what you love and feel good in, I think all of you look great.
There's an interview with Ruth Goodman a few years ago where the interviewer asked her her favorite time period. Ruth, of course, replied Tudor and listed several reasons. The interviewer then said oh, so if you could live in any time period it'd be Tudor? Ruth looked at her very patiently and explained no, because back then they didn't have modern medicine like vaccines. The interviewer then coyly said, oh but what if you were a *royal*? And Ruth once again patiently replied no, because THEY DIDN'T HAVE VACCINES EITHER.
History is nice to visit but none of us should want to live there.
Vaccines were invented in 1791??? I-
Heavenly Eclipse, that isn’t during the Tudor period, and that was just the smallpox vaccine. There were still other illnesses, it wasn’t as safe to give birth, pasteurization wasn’t a thing, and many other modern inventions we take for granted didn’t exist back then.
@Reddit tea Oh right, my bad. Also yeah it is lol, look It up.
@@draculandscout9450 That's true, there were other illnesses. But thanks to a few natural erbs and medicine, along with ancient techniques and learning off of the Indians, depending on what time period, you would be able to most likely survive.
Heavenly Eclipse while some of those ancient techniques you are talking about do sometimes work, there is a reason we use vaccines instead of a crushed plant. More than that, about 14% of infants died before their first birthday, and the average age people lived to was 35 years old, an age that is even less for women because of the risks that childbirth pose.
"i don't see anything wrong with being a story" is such a mood for me lately. we stan a queen.
Old fashion not old fashioned 💁🏻♀️
yesssss
Ooooooh, I like that!
period
Hope you don’t mind I’m stealing this! Take it as a compliment.
Ooooh stealing that!
“When you look through rose-colored glasses, all the red flags... just look like flags”
-Wanda Pierce
That's actually true if you wore red tinted glasses and looked at a red flag it just looks like a flag
wasn't expecting a bojack reference here , but i'm not upset about it
@@giovanniborgia2551 bojack is everywhere. I hope he’s in a rehab center too, but that’s a hope.
@@atree9284 ahaha exactly
+A Tree Weren’t he and that Herb Kazaaz guy friends back in the 90s or something? I don’t think that Bojack guy has been relevant since “Horsin’ Around” wrapped up. The last I heard he stole muffins from a Navy Seal, but don’t quote me on this. I think the verdict is still out of the whole “dibs” debate.
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It honestly made my skin jump when this beautiful lady says: " they say i look like Eva Braun or a nazi ". Why on earth would someone even come up with that idea to say in the first place? This woman is beautiful and she just shows it. Nothing wrong with that. No need to insult people by your own lack of intelligent. I love the way you dress, I love they way it looks and i love how creative you all are!! XXX hugs...
Yeah that was chilling. Why the hell would people say something like that
I felt so bad for her for receiving this type of comments :(
There's neo-nazis in Germany that's why
She is beautiful! Hope she sees this because she is beautiful!💕💕💕
@@dr_lubaba and the neo-nazis in Germany usually don't wear vintage attire. There is a certain overlap with reenactment (generally medieval / viking /fantasy etc), yes. But the vintage community? No. I've bever had negative experiences with the "vintage commutiny". The *absolute* opposite, actually.
I am old enough to be grandma to most of the people in this discussion and I have just started making and dressing in Edwardian era clothing because now I am retired it doesn't matter what I wear I can do as I please which is wonderful and I don't care what anyone says about me
Awe! Edwardian clothing is lovely 😊
Trudi Cole I’m fifty next year and have always wanted to dress in Edwardian clothing, but was worried when I started in that direction a few months ago that I was too old, especially for the corsetry, which I love. I’m going to try to stop thinking like that.
Hell yeah you go girl!
Please do Instagram if you don't already have it I would love to see your outfits
Trudi, I don’t know you, but you’re awesome and I love you.
I once saw a girl in line at the Starbucks in my local Barnes and Noble who was dressed straight up in the girliest 90s outfit, which isn't common where I live in KY, and my only thought was to admire and envy her courage because I thought it was so beautiful! Being Autistic for me translates to being inherently socially anxious so I don't have the courage most of the time to dress in the vintage way I want to because I'm already potentially Othered in a social setting by my speech or behavior and unaware of it, but this just... encourages me so so much. Thank you Rachel for not only existing, but doing so in the most genuine wonderful way.
The whole “love was so much better back then, when people didn’t just give up” is such bullshit. A lot of people stayed in abusive relationships because getting a divorce was unattainable or socially unacceptable. My grandparents were married when she was 16 and he 30. After 5 kids, she caught him cheating on her with her own sister. With no education and a lot of mouths to feed, the separation didn’t last long and she went back to him. Birth control wasn’t a thing, so she had 7 more kids.
You have to do some very severe editing to make it a romantic love story.
And divorce was more common than many people realize. My great-grandfather was thrice divorced, and he was just an ordinary farmer.
I mean, in our country in the past because of culture, you don't get married until your fiance meets the parents and court you; we have this thing called "harana" and it's a form of courtship where men sang to women underneath their windows at nighttime with a guitar and other stuff. You rarely see that anymore, people just date immediately after meeting for the first time then break up later on.
My great-grandfather had about 7-10 kids with his wife, because as you know having children every year was basically mandatory, even if your body couldn't take it. So the wife died giving birth to their last child and great-grandfather remarried. He had 7 more kids with his new wife, including my grandmother. The kids from the first marriage didn't like that situation that much so they all stopped talking to great-grandfather and the second-marriage kids.
Great times.
The worst part is that when divorce was first allowed at least in modern times, men were the only ones allowed to request or be grated it. Women were not given that right for a very long time.
@@ttintagel In that time period, it was men who was granted the ability to divorce. Not women. So if the man was abusive, the woman had no say. But if the woman was abusive, they could easily leave.
Lmao I can't believe people had the audacity of asking black people if they wouldn't want to live in the period they dress as
I'm not even american and I know they certainly wouldn't want to
You said it
I think the only people who actually wants to live in another era are the native americans (from all the continent), I think they really prefer the times before the European arrives to take there lands.
@@gisela_oliveira Indigenous Australians, Torres Strait Islanders, Pacific Islanders
@@froggy904 people who was colonised in general.
Black people had other eras also, not only slavery... I'm sure many of them would be happy to live in the era before colonialization. It's silly and racist to think that black people don't have any history apart from the slavery times
I was born in the wrong era, I should have been born in the distant future where hopefully the world will be even better
You’re forgetting the 2020 apocalypse... XD
I was born in the wrong era, I should’ve been born in the 1990s so that I could fully live up when one direction was still a band smh-
@Agatha z hmm nah things will probably get much better tbh.
Nah, you were born to make this world into the better place
I was born in the wrong era, send me to the Triassic era so I can be a dinosaur
"You're not gonna accept me anyways, so I've got nothing to lose"
Oof, that hits hard. I decided that a few years back, and it's hard to life like that every now and then, but.... It also makes me happy.
Plus: "I enjoy making people stop and go _what?_ "
Thanks for putting it into words
and they said avengers: infinity war was the most ambitious crossover of our time
Really glad you told us about the "vintage fashion not vintage morals" thing bc I see a LOT of "I live a vintage lifestyle so that I can be an authentic 1950s housewife and serve my husband and children" articles in the media. Nice to have an antidote.
That is really fucked up to say in this day and age, plus there are women who lived in the 50s and before that who didn't just 'serve' their husbands... I know from family stories that sometimes it was the woman who was more dominant (kinda proving that gender roles are stupid) and I'm sure many women still alive who lived in that era would be insulted. The things that pass for journalism these days are truly shocking.
I started buying dress patterns to sew vintage dresses. So in turn google started showing me advertisements for vintage cleaning products, and a bunch of them would have a woman laying across her husband's lap getting a beating, or old skin bleaching products for black people. I'm a black woman for reference. So I'm definitely pro vintage fashion, but anti vintage morals.
I cannot TELL you how many times I went somewhere and people ask me what’s the occasion? Why are you so dressed up? Oh if only all women dressed ladylike ... please sir I’m not asking for those comments!!! No slut-shaming women for dressing how they want to dress. I don’t value 1950s society I just simply love vintage clothes is that too much to ask 😭
My goth looks are very dressy and looks like im going somewhere. I get asked that too lol I say,
"nope just getting broccolli".
SpicyBean Tofu ahah the amount of weird comments and attention I got when grocery shopping were crazyy. I hated being noticed in public, but I love alternative looks and fashion (and fun makeup, even as a dude), so idk I felt more at ease in a full gothic punk outfit and makeup, even if people harassed me lol
Lmao I feel you, and I mean hell i even get harassed in plain clothes. Like hell I once had a drunk guy yell at me in the mall for wearing skinny jeans. My style is always getting comments lol.
This!
Same, I don't even dress vintage, I just like midi skirts and even my close friends pretty much everytime they see me they say something like "wow you are so elegant today!" and I'm like "no these are just my clothes"
"I'm not going to be accepted anyway, so what do I have to lose?"
Absolutely the best quote from this
Well Cathy Hay is amazing.
i present to you "I would miss the memes"
I absolutely adore this. As a Jewish woman of Eastern European descent, I'm really drawn to the 1940s aesthetic partly BECAUSE of the horrible experiences a lot of women like me went through at the time. I feel like by wearing their clothing and living in their aesthetic, I'm honoring the resilience and strength and power of all the incredible Jewish women who persevered through these times and allowed me to live the way I do today. I feel more connected and almost more respectful to them whenever I dress in their style.
Lonnie Miller that is so beautifully put!
A deeply interesting, heartfelt perspective.
I feel like this applies to music as well.
Oh yes. It definitely does.
Totally!
and as a writer and somoene who loves to read works from de 19th century and gothic horror (in my case as a goth)
my favorite music is 1920s jazz.
and dancehalls
I think people tend to believe love was more “real” back then because divorce wasn’t common. They fail to realize that a lot of marriages were just as messed up, divorce was just very frowned upon.
divorce was also illegal and even once it was made legal you needed to have specific reasons you could prove like that one partner cheated on another. No fault divorce changed everything.
One of my great grandparents? I think got divorced back then so... it wasn't as common but people still did it.
Also women were not as likely to work outside the home which made it much more difficult to leave.
@@OneVintageWitch My grandfather left my grandmother and they got divorced. She had to put 3 of her children in an orphanage including my father because she couldn't afford to raise them (lack of government support and/or child support in the 1920's-30's). Luckily, it was not a horrible experience for my dad and the family was reunited when she remarried. Just thought you'd find that an interesting story.
My grandmother got divorced back maybe in the late 60's as her husband was super abusive and just was an awful dude all around for many reasons and she was left with 3 young sons that she raised by herself until she married my grandfather (they were still together before though and she helped raise my mom and was her mother figure after her mom passed when she was super young). But unfortunately, I think a lot of us believe that people stayed together back then because they really couldn't by stigma a lot of the time and it was also illegal in many places for a very long time.
I describe the community as “Vintage style, modern values” because just because we dress vintage, but we don’t have the same values as (ex) the 50s
This entire video is constantly making me scream "YASSS QUEEN ( AND KING)!!!"
Y'ALL ARE HECKIN' INSPIRATIONAL
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"Born in the wrong era" is such a funny thing to say to someone, especially women, people of colour and members of the LGBT+ community. Like, what the actual heck? Do you think I would choose fashion and/or music over freedom? Are you crazy? 😂
As a historian and a teacher who likes to dress vintage from time to time, I find it quite hilarious when people make those comments and I usually can't stop myself from at least snorting in amusement. On the other hand, those comments make me a bit sad and worried, since they also show how shallow people's perception of the past really is and how the education system failed them in this regard. We should learn from the mistakes and misgivings of our ancestors, and we can't do it if we erase or sugarcoat the truth about the time and conditions they lived in.
Thank you for this video, Rachel! It was awesome and hella informative! 💕💕💕
Its same for people with mental illness. The things people did in the past are horrifying and so inhumane, some of it are not even that long ago and sometimes still happens in some places. some people to live in the past but as someone who is schizophrenia /schizoaffective ill be dead or worse if i was born in the past, its juts a hard no for me.
@@jithepileofamorphouseyes88 thank you for pointing this out! I think we can all agree that being born here and now is perfectly okay with us 😉
Or just anyone who’s ever benefited from very modern medicine. I was a test-tube baby, I wouldn’t exist in most eras!
@@londongirl2768 yes, that too!
You don't even have to choose, because in this era you can still enjoy fashion and music from other eras. You have the freedom to buy a vintage dress or ask your barber for a vintage haircut. About music, it is probably much easier to enjoy it now than it was back in the day. Back in the day you could afford one single, that is why they sell singles.
Nowadays you can have whole discographies of as many people of the 70s as you want in your phone.
“Dude, it’s a costume. I know I’m not Marie Antoinnette!” Favorite quote that ever was. I might use it...Lots of love to you and all these amazing people ❤️❤️❤️
I appreciate that you looked at yourself and went "I am a white woman who cannot speak for others' historic oppression" and then recruited multiple people of colour, people from the LGBTQ+ community, AND disabled people (w some overlap) and let them tell their experiences and views on the topic rather than speaking over or trying to summarise them. That's neat. 👍
Bro just entirely forgets that ALL women were oppressed
I have worked at a tearoom for years, and it brings me so much joy when people come in dressed in vintage or in costumes. My personal favorite was a giant group that came from a party dressed as passengers from the Titanic. They were all sweethearts and so excited to be wearing what they loved that they had all made themselves. All in various levels of "accurate", but all comfortable and happy.
My favorite argument from Bernadette Banner: “I would miss memes” _gah she’s so cute_ 🥺
And we know we would all mourn Karolina aka Meme Mom
I'm obsessed with the Middle Ages and love wearing dresses from Holy Clothing and going to Renaissance Fairs in them, but I also like having indoor plumbing, vaccines, many delicious food options, comfortable shelter during winter, modern hospitals, and not getting burned alive for being a Pagan.
Comfortable shelter for winter?? Most middle aged houses were built with stone. Stone keeps you warm in Winter and cool in Summer. Also you're acting like blankets and fireplaces weren't a thing. As well as natural food.
Heavenly Eclipse u sound like a time traveler from the Middle Ages who just really want everyone to know how great the Middle Ages was
@@hannahbg1852 "Warm" by medieval standards just means "not freezing". Like, my house can drop to 55 dregrees (13 Celsius) if my heater goes out. Sure, I'll live, and I have blankets, but I'd sure be more comfortable at 68F (20 C) degrees.
@@ghostie_4099 Maybe I am 👀
@@starspeculation Ok cool, but you're also forgetting the fact that natural fire is very warm and comfortable. As someone who has been near fire and blankets while camping in cold weather, I can confirm it is very comfortable.
I never dressed vintage, but I did go through every stereotypical fashion phase in the book. The "loudest" one was my emo/scene phase which was so much fun. I mean, I got to have blue hair, wear hot pink chainlink skinny jeans, and wear heavy eye make up. It was just fun and sometimes my outfits were actually on point for once in my life lol. My funny story about it is I went to visit family and my aunt asked, "oh, so are you one of those *emus* now?" I busted out laughing and corrected her and it became an inside joke with my family for a while. Bless her heart for trying. She's always been really kind to everyone
I've long been terribly uncomfortable with myself. never felt pretty enough, and felt uglier when I tried. But when I discovered Vintage community it started to change. I was nervous at first, but now I even wear bumper bangs and a ponytail with a scarf tied in it TO WORK. There is this new power I have over making an effort in my appearance, that I actually like. I see my reflection and SMILE. Discovering vintage helped me discover a part of myself that I didn't even know was there. If someone tells me I look like Rosie the Riveter, I'm like " Thank you!"
I get a lot of compliments, but I have a favorite.
One of my coworkers told me that they were reading an article about " Hair styles that that are gone we wish would come back" or something like that. And that they immediately thought of me and thought to themselves " HA, I already know someone who wears some of these. They aren't gone" and that I was Cool. lmao I don't know why but I was flattered.
I used to say 'born in the wrong era', too, when I was younger. And then I read a history book outside of what my school gave me, was horrified, and stopped saying that sh*t.
Yeah dude. I used to be all like 'I'm not like other girls' until I realised that 1) I was just perpetuating harmful stereotypes against other girls and 2) not wearing dresses and makeup doesn't make you better than others, it just makes you someone who doesn't wear dresses and makeup. I'm glad I stopped being so judgemental, even if it was accidentally.
@@sketchingstudio5552 I just saw myself as unique individual who happened to be a girl. I never put down other woman but rather I never saw the need to group all of us togethor as with the same personalities and habits. I am pretty feminine but I like the innocent laid back fem look. And that really fits with my personality. We need to just focus on not putting down each other for no reason unless we have a genuine reason behind it.
School loves to demonize the past. I feel horrible that you actually listened to that and it stuck with you..Like damn, I actually feel really bad for you.
Heavenly Eclipse
Do you genuinely believe the past was better? How so?
@@tagz5186 In many ways it was better, in others, it wasn't.
People, without technology, were obviously more outgoing and together as a community. People had manners, manners were one of the most important things back then. People kept a healthy diet and immune system because of the fresh food and air. Education systems were far more easier and actually taught children the things they need to know. Not just random useless shit.
On the other hand, depending on the place and time, there was lack of medicine, racism, and if you really wanna count it, sexism.
Points at self: This is my meatbag
Points at vintage fashion: This is my seasoning
Lol, that's a great phrase
This sort of romanticizing the past also happens a lot in the comments of those old footage videos of the 19th & early 20th century. Lots of "back when men were men and women were women" and "life was so much better back then" and "see how no one's looking down at their phone 24/7" etc.
People weren't glued to their phones, but mid century men and women had their newspaper and magazines they used to ignore other people
@@jellyfish0311 Exactly! Pretty sure people have always used whatever's at their disposal to signal that they want to be left alone. And even if they weren't deliberately used as a way to avoid conversation, there were still other people who'd go, "Look at these people, always glued to their newspapers or those dang novels."
@@jellyfish0311 Yes, true, but most of them were still pretty talkative. Depending on the person of course.
I've resorted to never reading the comments of those videos because it makes me mad. It's like, if you like the clothes then dress like that - people do still have pride in what they wear they just express it differently.
@@thatusedcarsalesmantryingt6945 Okay-
I guess it's bad if we read newspapers everyone lol
This is the best reaction EVER to the "born in the wrong era" debacle.
Not only do we have the opportunity today to practice "historical winnowing," actively sifting out the lovely moments and innovations, and equally actively choosing to no longer perpetuate problematic actions and treatments of fellow people, but we also have the opportunity to seek out the stories of people like us (women, people of color, LGBTQ+, etc - because they were there, don't let any textbook fool you) whose voices were not necessarily audible in their own time, and reclaim them, to give them a place in the narrative and to have representation in contemporary imagination.
"The rules are made up and we get to rewrite them if we want to" is a RAW quote that I will be using from now on
My favorite dressing vintage story is that I had a little boy stop me in the grocery store staying I looked like a princess. I have never had a better interaction. I also find that so many people who I hardly know give me vintage or vintage style clothes because they know I will wear them. The other day I was given 6 petticoats from the 1950s.
Yesss I love making little kids happy! Or just confused 😂❤️ my nieces and nephews have the automatic instinct to "wipe off" their faces after I smooch them because of my lipstick 😂😂😂 (even if I'm not wearing any and that lippie ain't coming off anyway lolol)
"Back when women were women" as opposed to the modern day, where women are people
flaming mace ugh I miss sexism and domestic violence being normalized whyYYYY 😭😭😭😭😭😭
I think what some of those people are saying is, back when femininity was accepted and women weren’t shamed for wanting to be seen as more girly,
@@PrincessKLS for most of history men forced women to be a certain way creating a damned if you do and damned if you don't senario that had lasted all the way into the current era. Women are mocked for being too feminine, women are mocked for not being feminine enough. Deviation from the norm was unlikely to have been photographed.
When people say "back when x was x" they are complaining that too many people don't mean THEIR obtuse arbitrary standards and THEIR perspectives on a time period. Usually they are mad that they aren't being catered to anymore if ever and if they lived during the time period they are mad that things change.
@@PrincessKLS You can make this point when women aren't required to wear high heels are a part of the average modern day office dress code. Or when we're not considered "unprofessional" or "unpolished" for not wearing makeup or shaving our legs to go to work. A few kids on the internet making fun of you for liking pink doesn't begin to compare to way femininity is still forced upon women to this fucking day. If you like doing it, great. But not every woman who does these things does it because she wants to, and lets not pretens like masculine/gnc women have it easier than the rest of us, yeah?
@@PrincessKLS They were absolutely shamed. Women's interests have always been viewed as "frivolous", from the music they like, to the activities they enjoy and the clothes that they were. Women back then didn't have the respect of men for being exceptionally good at make-up or sewing. These were seen as feminine activites that men wouldn't stoop to.
"youre not going to accept me anyways....i dont have anything to lose" nearly moved me to tears. thats basically my life motto and i guess just hearing someone else say it makes me feel so happy. more people need to live for theirself and not care what other people think! its such a freeing mindset.
That's Cathy Hay and you really should check out her channel if you haven't yet
I hate the posts that show men in the 50 and 40s wearing suits then a picture of a guy today with a man bun and the caption is like "what happened? 😔" fashion changes every 10 years. That's what happened. Also I hope they don't find out how men dressed in the 1400 and 1500s. . .
LMAO
If they hate the man bun, what about lovelocks?
Hahaha!! Codpieces and padded doublets. Talk about “no one today has the figure for...”
Ok but remember a couple of years ago when guys were walking around with their pants hanging past under their butts ?? It's that kind of thing that makes people like me say this . I'm all about casual wear but that's just a no .
Exactly, plus every young guy I know dresses exactly like his dad did in the 70's anyway
You'd think they'd never seen a picture of a samurai before. Hello, school? Anyone?
I LOVE THIS! I LOVE ALL OF THESE PEOPLE AND THE TYING TOGETHER OF THEIR STORIES FOR THIS PURPOSE! VERY GOOD!
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"Honestly i would miss the memes.'
That got me so off guard, Bernadette has such a wonderfully dry humor!
Considering I'm disabled and bi who very much wants to kiss my girlfriend in public I will still watch my old movies and wear my fancy clothes. And I will greatly appreciate my indoor plumbing.
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Vintage fashion very much seems to be more accessible than current fashion. I find vintage/Vintage style dresses to be an immediate mood lifter even when I'm having a flare and feel like I'm in too much pain to do anything. The longer, looser skirts are far easier to sit in - be it in a wheelchair or just on a sofa - and don't put strain on any limbs, organs or joints.
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@@emjenkins464 Even modern shoes I have issues with. They never fit right, either too loose at the heel or too tight around the toes. Modern fashion seems designed to cause pain and discomfort, which is why I don't bother with it.
“Born in the wrong era” are comments I see a lot by 14 year olds on tumblr trying to seem quirky but just end up going back at their post and cringing
hell yes bring me back to a time where i would have been literally beaten to death in the nearest town for being a catholic. ThaTSOuNDS ReAL fUn JIMmmY
I really laugh when I see them pining for the 80's. Yes, it was so wonderful to live with the ever-present fear that nuclear war was inevitable.
I used to know a woman who was in her thirties and had severe health issues, and yet would talk all the time about wanting to be a Victorian lady with tuberculosis, because that was "so romantic." And you would have such a fair, pale complexion, too.
I hope she got the therapy she needed.
I have always wanted a Victorian style home, with all the bright colours painted on the outside, because I've always wanted to live in my childhood dollhouse. However, if I were ever to actually get said Victorian home, it would be completely modern on the inside. Because I'm not insane! I like having my wifi and my 42" flat screen TV!
Heck I live in an Italianate home (About the same time as the Victorian home era) it fucking sucks living in this money pit. It's always cold, something breaks every week, and a lot of the stuff can't be replaced.
I think it would be a mix. Like furniture and wall paper style. But yeah slap the big screen in there.
Yeah, and not to mention the super toxic building/decorating materials of old houses!
@@pinkysworn yeah remember the arsenic wallpaper and lead toys? good ol' days
Oooh that sounds amazing!
Honestly this was so eye opening for me, here’s why. I am a creative person who loves to learn about historical clothing. So like after watching a period piece I’ll look up if the costumes were ACCURATE kind of nerd. I have many friends who cosplay and dress period but here’s the catch, I was today years old when I learned that I was prejudiced against these people because I assumed they wanted to live in those time periods. THANK YOU for this enlightening video. I should have just asked my friends how they felt about the social issues of the time period they’re dressing in instead of silently judging them. Now that I’ve listened to these interviews I realize how silly that is and MAYBE just maybe I’ll finally let myself cosplay a time period just because I feel like it.
Cathy's point of not wanting to dress like everyone else and having nothing to lose because they won't accept you anyway ❤ I realised that very early in life and have always been encouraged to march to my own drum (thanks mum, for homeschooling me till 10yo and taking me to medieval reenactments from almost birth 😁), so brushing off people's harsher comments/sneers is pretty much second nature for me. I've found that honouring your inner truth, whether through how you dress or makeup or behaviour, will always illicit a reaction from others, be it good or bad. There is comfort and security in knowing yourself that cannot be diminished or lost ❤
That part really resonated with me too. When I was in school i was super gothic and i remember thinking that exact thing at the time when my parents and friends parents would complain about something as simple as a long black coat (ironically very edwardian inspired trench coat)
Super lucky to be born in an era where you show 2020 that vintage is still a thing and is thriving, your style is you and should make you happy, and no one else, love you Rachel♥️♥️♥️
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Isabella Jimenez Yes!
It’s also important to remember most of the fashion we think about whenever we reminisce on an era is what the rich people of that time wore. I love the Edwardian era styles even though, realistically, had I lived during that time period I’d probably be the maid to all those girls in the beautiful dresses.
Well shit
It's fun for me as a person who goes for reproduction clothing versus extant garments (I don't want to destroy irreplaceable pieces of history, and my favorite styles run from late 19th to early 20th centuries), I'm relegated to the kinds of clothing someone in the same financial situation as me would have worn at the time, in my case more workwear/middle class articles. The better suits are as out of reach for me as they would have been for them. It can be a little frustrating, but it's also kind of cool to me, I guess
I've always thought of my past life as a pauper in England.
In a roundabout way, this comment reminds me of that Downtown Abbey story arc where the rich relative pretends to be poor, and the poor guy who's enamoured with her says, "You're so fancy and well-spoken, you must be a lady's maid!"
"I love the look of classic cars but I would take the modern parts on the inside"
My dream car would be to buy an old broken down 60s VW Bus, fix it up, and convert it into an electric car with modern parts. In a world with modern technology and classic aesthetics, why can't I have both?
That sounds awesome! My dad built an electric cart type vehicle in the 90’s to use in the large food processing plant he worked in as a refrigeration mechanic. He was smart like that.,
I understand ALL of the facts concerning "not wanting to live in the past" the past is awful, for everyone but wealthy men. However, cars, in my, and only my, opinion are definitely better, completely before technology became involved. The vintage age is strictly mechanics. Nuts, bolts gears and bolts. No computers. Easier to fix without specialized equipment, and a whole lot less money.
Yeahhh, I personally want a Model T with upgraded internals
Cathy dropping knowledge bombs, as per usual “why wouldn’t I want to be well travelled?”
I recently ran in to a woman and she started crying and was totally overwhelmed.. luckily it were tears of joy:) I brought back good memories for her. That was such a beautiful moment. But usually people assume or ask if I’m going to a party.. We have a Dutch saying “life is a party but you have to decorate for it yourself” so I basically reply with that.
Miss Joanna Jive that's such a good saying!
My husband and I want a Victorian Smart-home. Old, but make it tech. That’s how I approach vintage dress. Gorgeous aesthetic with modern conveniences 💕
Omg coool!
Omg, I would LOVE that!!!
Steampunk-ish?
Right?! I have a pull chain toilet but an induction stove. 😂
I love what Dandy Wellington said about us being historians. I've never really heard it put that way, but that's what I am. I don't know if it's because I was raised by my grandmother and growing up submerged in antiques, but I've always sort of geeked out on history.
Plus, if you lived back then, then the fashion or cars or music and activities wouldn’t have been that special or have the vintage charms because it would just be your normal day to day life.
Hahaha true!
Wow good point
And they would be made out of itchy fabric.
I assumed that was the point since that means they "fit in" with other folks.
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That depends on time and wealth really.
Attending car shows and looking like a women in the 1950's, I remember a women said "you look like me when I was in the 1950's" I felt great like I am doing something right AND while walking towards an eldery man and women, the man nodded and the women smiled to me, it was a great moment! Thank for the video.
I’ve seen people say “this is the most ambitious crossover event ever!” When it was about two or three people collaborating.
But this, this truly is the most ambitious costube/vintage crossover event ever. Well done.
And I definitely agree with “vintage fashion, not vintage values”. I’m a woman, and I’m disabled and I’m queer. The 40s would not have been a great time for me. I love the clothes. That’s it. I do not love the lack of rights that I and many of my friends would have. That would suck. No thank you.
The same goes for the era of music I most love (60s and 70s, I love me some classic rock). Like sure, I’d definitely take a day trip back to Woodstock, but I wouldn’t want to live back then, because life just wouldn’t be great for me (what with the lack of rights and my sexuality being literally illegal and everything). Great music, but I can enjoy that great music now, I don’t have to go back and live in that era to enjoy the music I like.
Also, a lot of people assume that because I wear mostly 40s style clothing, that I’d prefer 40s style music. Not the case! I love classic rock- an entirely different era. And I think that comes with the “well you wear that style, so you must love everything about that era!” It’s not true. I don’t even love old movies all that much. I have a few favourites, like Rear Window, but I’m not a massive old movie buff or anything. My favourite movie is probably Dogma or Twister.
As Luke Danes said in Gilmore girls “things sucked back then too, they just sucked without indoor plumbing!”
21:10 "I manifested myself into a woman that my childhood self would look up to.." I was this old when I realized that's what I've been working towards my whole life. That resonated with me on an entirely different level. Life is funny like that at times..
I hate the phrase “when ladies were ladies.”
What they really mean is “I liked it when women had less rights and options.”
When women just kept their mouth shut, did what they were told and looked pretty. Like they didn't have feelings or opinions.
@@lindseyroddy553 just like in the movie 365 DNI on Netflix...
“When ladies were not as intimidating because they were systematically disempowered.” Surprise, boys. Ladies back then might have different expectations of you, too.
Reminds me a lot of some of the hardcore Christians online (think The Transformed Wife or even just Girl Defined) who claim that modern women are being masculine for.... Having careers?? Not rushing to get married to a man the moment they are of legal age?? Wanting their partner to participate in house chores and child raising?? Daring to speak their minds rather than nodding and smiling when the men are talking??
Women back than were just prizes for men. Sit there and look pretty.
I really recommend the book The Way We Never Were if anyone's looking for a thorough debunking of the "when women were women" and "born in the wrong era" nostalgia (kept getting interrupted while watching so sorry if it was already mentioned in the video!)
*makes note for next library trip*
www.amazon.com/Good-Old-Days-They-Terrible/dp/0394709411
Ahhh Rachel,
This was even more beautiful to hear 3 years later. Unfortunately I feel it needs to be re told and re told, how wonderful that there is you and all these other beautiful people to speak love, truth and share their thoughts!
With love and hope for all,
Audri