in New England we call it switchel, ice cold and all you can drink for agricultural labor, and commonly flavored with staghorn sumac berries---Chinese red and tastes like tangy Yellow Delicious apples. wonderful stuff.
Yes, from the looks of it, it was a very profitable trade, Greek wine vases are still found in large numbers all over Europe! The RUclips channel 'Tasting History with Max Miller' actually makes some of the foods and drinks that I mention in the videos, including 'Kykeon' and the sweet 'Tiganitai'.
@@historicaladventurevideos Oh, I gotta watch that! I really enjoy the 18th century cooking exploits if the Townsend channel...so this should be right up my alley!
My research interests include ancient organics (Bronze Age to Roman) including viticulture and the wine trade. Kudos! - very well presented. Where are you from? I just discovered your excellent channel and immediately subscribed. Greetings from Greece!
Thank you for your kind words! Sorry for the late reply, I haven't logged in for a while now because of some life problems with my job and family, but once I sort these problems out I will continue making videos. There were others that asked me where I'm from too and though I do not say which country specifically, I can say that I am from Europe. Also, there are two other people from different countries (but also from Europe) that occasionaly help me with my videos. Cheers!
Hippocrates written formula for date mead named after him called Hipocrass was served at his health resorts in ancient Greece. He is also the father of modern medicine known for the Hippocratic oath "first do no harm".
it's a hot climate custom---Spanish tapas, Italian antipasta---16% dried grape wine even diluted 60% is still twice the alcohol of strong ale. so if the point is fluid replace fluids, eat! mange!
It’s surprising that the Greeks didn’t drink much beer, they grew plenty of barley. Egyptians drank it a lot. But, I don’t know any modern Greeks who prefer beer over wine, except me! It’s not acidic, and is less intoxicating and more refreshing than wine. When I do drink wine, I water it like the ancients did, or put ice and let it melt a bit, it’s strong on its own. But then, I rarely drink any alcohol, years go by without, so it all seems super-intoxicating to me.
You are right, it is weird indeed, and the same goes for the Romans. Given how ''easy'' it was for them to produce wine though, once they completely domesticated the wild vines, it is kind of understandable. Wine was also sacred for the ancient Greek religion and culture in general.
Kimberley Perrotis - I’m Greek, and I, too, much prefer beer to wine. I drink all sorts of beer, from crisp light lagers to full-bodied English ales and porters. I do like wine on occasion, but mostly drink it heavily diluted with water (much to the disgust and dismay of my friends!).
Beer is a diuretic and they would have had enough sense not to drink very much of it. Humans need water so obviously they drank it, polluted or not, their guts got used to the bugs.
Greece still has a lot of amateur winemakers, especially on the islands. And their product is very good -- I tried a rose which was equal to any rose I enjoyed in France or California. The guy made wine to trade with his neighbors -- bartering is common -- and besides the wine he also tended the vines & harvested the grapes. He sold it by the gallon without any label & it didn't need cutting with water.
also saves a ton transporting the crop to market---especially high alcohol dry grape wine concentrates meant to be reconstituted 50:50 at comsumption. think frozen Florida OJ. Greeks are all about cheap transport to this day.
Hi, what source material did you use to conclude that the wine of the ancient Greeks had a higher alcohol percentage? I find this to be an interesting statement.
Regarding the eyebrow raising comment of adding salt water to wine: I read in the Kon-Tiki book by Thor Heyerdal, a Norwegian explorer and adventurer, that while sailing in the summer in the pacific ocean the water would last longer if they added salt water. That's because people sweat out a lot of salt, and the ancient Greeks would certainly be careful with pure salt, since it was very valuable.
Kykeon must have tasted disgusting, if it was indeed made of such incredients that don't seem to match at all. In fact there is a video of a guy who mixed all those experimentally and says that the result is thoroughly unpalatable. I believe him and I'd rather eat haggis. I don't even think that the ancient Greeks would like such muck.
There never were ancient Greeks in Illyric Peninsula/ later named Balkan, but the Pelasgians/ Illyrians, ancestors of Albanians. Helen's tribe came late, and they were fascinated by the Pelasgians' culture. (wine and olive culture, too) Zeus was a Pelasgian, not a Helen. The Iliad and Odyssey were oral poems of Pelasgians. The oracle of Zeus, Dodona of Epirus, was the temple of Pelasgians. After Illyad, the language of Gods was Gheg, North Albanian Dialect. (Herodotus) The Greek language and orthodoxy were born in Byzantium. They didn't exist before! Greek "was created" as the official language of the Orthodox Church, and then the Orthodox Church began the expansion through the illegal policy. After osmanic cadastral registers of XV-XVI century, 90-95% of the authocton population in Greece were Albanian and less than 5% Helen. After the Science Journal of July 2023, the Albanian Language is more than 8000 years old, much older than the Greek and Armenian languages.
I think it is very naive to suggest that Greeks were temperate with wine. They were human like anyone else with alcohol. To characterize them as temperate Christians is nothing short of ridiculous!
The ancient Greeks were sort of obsessed with moderation. One of the most famous quotes they lived by was ''Nothing in excess'' which was even inscribed on the temple of Apollo at Delphi. Of course as I said in the video, as in every culture there were many that got drunk but it was considered uncourteous, especially in the eyes of the common people. As for the ''temperate'' Christians, the Byzantines loved wine just as much as their ancestors (maybe even more), not to mention the wide alcohol consumption in the rest of Christian Europe.
One thing about the wine of the ancient Greeks, not mentioned : It was always more or less sweet. Dry wine would soon turn to vinegar,. So keeping it sweet was the only way to preserve it.
Very interesting information on a rather unknown subject. Congratulations!
Water, honey, and vinegar is actually quite refreshing.
in New England we call it switchel, ice cold and all you can drink for agricultural labor, and commonly flavored with staghorn sumac berries---Chinese red and tastes like tangy Yellow Delicious apples. wonderful stuff.
Why not add white wine?
Speaking about how wine culture ín ancient greece was is like speaking how wine culture ín Portugal is nowadays
Wow, 1 million liters export? That's impressive. Wish, we could go back and taste the foods and drinks from way back when. It would be so interesting!
Yes, from the looks of it, it was a very profitable trade, Greek wine vases are still found in large numbers all over Europe! The RUclips channel 'Tasting History with Max Miller' actually makes some of the foods and drinks that I mention in the videos, including 'Kykeon' and the sweet 'Tiganitai'.
@@historicaladventurevideos
Oh, I gotta watch that!
I really enjoy the 18th century cooking exploits if the Townsend channel...so this should be right up my alley!
The Minoans exported wine and vinegar, Tartaric acid is also known derived from wine making.
Awesome video! Nice research.
This is wonderful, thanks for putting this on RUclips. I love this ❤ I would love to see more about ancient times.
My research interests include ancient organics (Bronze Age to Roman) including viticulture and the wine trade. Kudos! - very well presented. Where are you from? I just discovered your excellent channel and immediately subscribed. Greetings from Greece!
Thank you for your kind words! Sorry for the late reply, I haven't logged in for a while now because of some life problems with my job and family, but once I sort these problems out I will continue making videos. There were others that asked me where I'm from too and though I do not say which country specifically, I can say that I am from Europe. Also, there are two other people from different countries (but also from Europe) that occasionaly help me with my videos. Cheers!
@@historicaladventurevideos - Thank you for the reply - my best wishes to you and your Family! I’m guessing Denmark.
Hippocrates written formula for date mead named after him called Hipocrass was served at his health resorts in ancient Greece. He is also the father of modern medicine known for the Hippocratic oath "first do no harm".
Great vid, brother! Just watched it 3 times in a row! ....and you got a new subscriber :)
Thank you, I really appreciate it! :)
Wow, I didn't know ANYTHING about the subject and it is so weird, thank you!!
I'm glad you like the video!
Watching from Greece.hi everybody.
Interesting video.
Very interesting information. Thank you
I'm glad you like it!
Again thank you. This was great information and I plan to use the information in my own life. Eva
I'm glad you find my videos helpful! :)
To this day Greeks always have something to eat along with alcoholic drinks.
it's a hot climate custom---Spanish tapas, Italian antipasta---16% dried grape wine even diluted 60% is still twice the alcohol of strong ale. so if the point is fluid replace fluids, eat! mange!
Thank you.
It’s surprising that the Greeks didn’t drink much beer, they grew plenty of barley. Egyptians drank it a lot. But, I don’t know any modern Greeks who prefer beer over wine, except me! It’s not acidic, and is less intoxicating and more refreshing than wine. When I do drink wine, I water it like the ancients did, or put ice and let it melt a bit, it’s strong on its own. But then, I rarely drink any alcohol, years go by without, so it all seems super-intoxicating to me.
Try retsina next time…a bit different , taste like an ancient wine of our ancestors
You are right, it is weird indeed, and the same goes for the Romans. Given how ''easy'' it was for them to produce wine though, once they completely domesticated the wild vines, it is kind of understandable. Wine was also sacred for the ancient Greek religion and culture in general.
In history, as far as the vine grows, wine is preferred. I think it's about culture. We've had rice for centuries yet never thought of making sake.
Kimberley Perrotis - I’m Greek, and I, too, much prefer beer to wine. I drink all sorts of beer, from crisp light lagers to full-bodied English ales and porters. I do like wine on occasion, but mostly drink it heavily diluted with water (much to the disgust and dismay of my friends!).
Beer is a diuretic and they would have had enough sense not to drink very much of it. Humans need water so obviously they drank it, polluted or not, their guts got used to the bugs.
Thank you
Very interesting
1:29 might try it with apple cider vinegar 🔥
Greece still has a lot of amateur winemakers, especially on the islands. And their product is very good -- I tried a rose which was equal to any rose I enjoyed in France or California. The guy made wine to trade with his neighbors -- bartering is common -- and besides the wine he also tended the vines & harvested the grapes. He sold it by the gallon without any label & it didn't need cutting with water.
At my house I have three beverages. Water, water and water.
Where did you get that beautiful background music from?
The compisition is called 'Youth' and it is a part of the 'Alexander Symphony' of Farya Faraji. You can find this song on his RUclips channel.
Thank you! 😀@@historicaladventurevideos
@@ajbufort No problem! Always glad to share Farya's songs, he is one of my favorite musicians. :)
Wine will always be my alcoholic beverage of choice
Vino is,a gift of heaven
Alcohol is a way to preserve calories from a perishable crop.
also saves a ton transporting the crop to market---especially high alcohol dry grape wine concentrates meant to be reconstituted 50:50 at comsumption. think frozen Florida OJ. Greeks are all about cheap transport to this day.
I thought that Metsina was an ancient drink/wine, and it rather had lower alcohol content? Love
Hi, what source material did you use to conclude that the wine of the ancient Greeks had a higher alcohol percentage? I find this to be an interesting statement.
Regarding the eyebrow raising comment of adding salt water to wine: I read in the Kon-Tiki book by Thor Heyerdal, a Norwegian explorer and adventurer, that while sailing in the summer in the pacific ocean the water would last longer if they added salt water. That's because people sweat out a lot of salt, and the ancient Greeks would certainly be careful with pure salt, since it was very valuable.
I drank it I have pictures
How could you know what the alcohol content was?
Vewy, vewy intewesting.
I’ll pass the on the Kykeon, sounds revolting. Well, no need for ipecacuanha if Kykeon is around!
Wine with water
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Kykeon must have tasted disgusting, if it was indeed made of such incredients that don't seem to match at all. In fact there is a video of a guy who mixed all those experimentally and says that the result is thoroughly unpalatable. I believe him and I'd rather eat haggis. I don't even think that the ancient Greeks would like such muck.
⚱Eccellente🤌
Thank you! :)
Totally speculative. Even today the wine making manners of the Greeks vary enormously.
Retsina.
Being drunk IS uncivilized.
There never were ancient Greeks in Illyric Peninsula/ later named Balkan, but the Pelasgians/ Illyrians, ancestors of Albanians. Helen's tribe came late, and they were fascinated by the Pelasgians' culture. (wine and olive culture, too)
Zeus was a Pelasgian, not a Helen. The Iliad and Odyssey were oral poems of Pelasgians. The oracle of Zeus, Dodona of Epirus, was the temple of Pelasgians. After Illyad, the language of Gods was Gheg, North Albanian Dialect. (Herodotus)
The Greek language and orthodoxy were born in Byzantium. They didn't exist before! Greek "was created" as the official language of the Orthodox Church, and then the Orthodox Church began the expansion through the illegal policy.
After osmanic cadastral registers of XV-XVI century, 90-95% of the authocton population in Greece were Albanian and less than 5% Helen.
After the Science Journal of July 2023, the Albanian Language is more than 8000 years old, much older than the Greek and Armenian languages.
How stupid you are 😂😂😂
Kosaqi drink a lof of Greek wine 😂😂😂😂😂
@@chrisg.k487 It seems to me that you have drunk too much..... 🤣🤣🤣...
Continue to Dream....
😂😂😂 ohhhh get lost men...
I think it is very naive to suggest that Greeks were temperate with wine. They were human like anyone else with alcohol. To characterize them as temperate Christians is nothing short of ridiculous!
The ancient Greeks were sort of obsessed with moderation. One of the most famous quotes they lived by was ''Nothing in excess'' which was even inscribed on the temple of Apollo at Delphi. Of course as I said in the video, as in every culture there were many that got drunk but it was considered uncourteous, especially in the eyes of the common people. As for the ''temperate'' Christians, the Byzantines loved wine just as much as their ancestors (maybe even more), not to mention the wide alcohol consumption in the rest of Christian Europe.
One thing about the wine of the ancient Greeks, not mentioned : It was always more or less sweet. Dry wine would soon turn to vinegar,. So keeping it sweet was the only way to preserve it.