How West Africa could trigger the next world war | If You're Listening | ABC News In-depth
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2024
- While everyone has their eyes on the war in Ukraine, there’s been a seemingly unstoppable wave of coups in West Africa, washing along the edge of the Sahara and gaining strength each time. Subscribe: ab.co/3yqPOZ5
After the recent military coup in Niger, locals were seen chanting “Down with France” and “Long live Putin”. Even the now former leader of Wagner, Yevgeny Prigozhin has been involved.
What are France and Russia doing in West Africa? And could they end up in a proxy war?
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Its obvious you don’t really understand exactly the wave of revolution that is blowing over the African continent. Its not about Russia or Europe. It about Africa's freedom from Imperialism and neo-colonialism. Africa was never given independence and they are fighting for total liberation.
That's exactly what putin wants you to think and say. We all know where you will end up...
Right! This iteration and American news are trying to undermine the fact, that Africans at tired of being taken advantage of! This has nothing to do with Russia, they want Americans citizens to believe that Russia has something to do with these coups, so they can wage war on Africa!
I agree. It’s look like he is crying for the loss of western power. Nothing said about the exploitation by france.
Yes. World war 3 will not be instigated by Africa. Don't you see the west is preparing for it? So we cancel any war. Love Africa.!
I listened to all and it made no sense he clearly doesn’t know what’s happening. Even my jr brother is tired and he’s just a teenager
How long must Africa suffer at the hands of the WEST 😧
Afrika is taking a stand! Afrika is in Revolutionary times..... FINALLY!! As Afrika takes control of its own resources, Afrikans will soon enjoy freedom! Ubuntu Ma'at Ase' 🙏🏿 Uhuru!
Until African leaders decide to stop being agents of Western countries and put the interest of their country and citizenry first
Did you mean Hand of white Christian coloniser?
Better question, what has Africa done for itself?
@@billalumni7760 Which Country in Africa are you asking that question of? I may be of assistance.
Only praises in this comment section. Sorry, but not from me.
You omitted the most important aspect: Not a word about the thievery from the west that has taken place since the resources were discovered.
This is the only reason why the population hates the West and not the inefficiency in combating terrorism.
And by the way, the exploitation of Africa is also the reason for that very terrorism.
It goes without saying that what Wagner does is despicable, but what the west did over the last decades is immeasurably worse. It is not perceived as such as they were more subtle...
The French enforce on the Colonies françaises d'Afrique a fair few laws, including that their foreign reserves be held in the French Treasury, and they can only access 15% of it a year or else they will be charged fees for accessing their own money!
Didn't watch much of this. Thanks to you I won't have to.
Lol, u know this dude is paid for this propaganda so he intentionally ommitted the thievery.
Best reporting I have heard on the coups so far. Gives you a good understanding of the nature of the conflict.
Not been openly biased for one side or the other, (like the pro Russia angle on there channels).
@@juniorh9238 al jazeera is a good channel if you are looking for professional objective reporting
I've become allergic to the word "democratic". Especially "democratically elected".
Just like Patrice Lumumba winnig popular vote, made him a target for the Western greed.
Exactly. Being democratically elected doesnt mean the west won't attack your country and kill your leader.
Maybe that's because you can't have real democratic elections without any real democratic institutions in place, like free press and independent courts. Plus educated society. Until that level of development happens democratic election of leaders gives mix results
Amen!
To the west it doesn't matter if dead people vote and the same family rules for 50+ years as long as they are 'elected' and good puppets of course...
france is responsible for more than 10 assassinations of African leaders who had a vision for its people and not france's interest
I like the way you didnt mention the reason that African countries turn towards Russia and China is not that Russia and China are that great or bully them into doing so; but rather that the West has exploited and used them for decades, centuries even, and they are sick of it. Chinese investments which aim to create a win-win situation are so much more welcome than French ones, which aim to exploit, keep poor and give some aid, as a band aid. For this reason, the West has brought this over itself.
Facts!
preach brother
No, Russia and China are also blood sucker like French. It's more like Africa has 10 doller. If French exploit them, frenchy bois would take 6 out of 10. Then China comes up with a deal to exploit 4 out of 10, after that Russia came and offered to exploit 2 out of 10.
Everyone's prime target is exploiting, it's about who comes with a better deal. Africa will be exploited anyway.
Exactly. The major strategy of the Chinese is, they offer you their help to build whatever you deem to be necessary for your country for free. In return the only thing they want in return for their help is, if a new ressource gets discovered, let's say gas, that you give them exclusive rights and conditions to buy and export the gas to China. And if your country does not find new ressources, you don't have to pay them anything back. In other words they don't enslave other countries through debt and interest rates. They offer countries fair deals on eye level that benefits both sides. My apologies for my poor English.
Remember that China can and will use the massive debt against you,they have territory in another African country because of their debt leverage and now have Chinese police in another, don't let yourself be fooled and think China is your friend.
You started well than you did what we expected
exactly
propaganda
Paid mercenary..
Honestly he didn't even start out well
I think your reporting is biased towards the West and doesn't give a damn about the people of Africa and the revolutions that are taking place in the former colonies .
While grievances towards the west are definitely warranted, there have not been any policy changes over the past 3 years that would have caused 7 coups over such a short period of time...
You need to look into Luc Michel, a Belgian self proclaimed stalinist that runs targeted media campaigns across these specific countries to subvert public opinion. The man is quite proud of the work he does, destabilizing entire regions, and is thoroughly devoted to creating a new world order where authoritarianism, and lifetime leaders are the norm. There's a lot of speculation that his network is supplying all of the Russian flags and Wagner signs at the protests.
You have to admit, it's incredibly suspicious that a crowd of people pushing back against colonialism and foreign interference would not be waving their own flags, but the flags of a different colonial power, that has taken advantage of the destabilization from other coups, and the subsequent economic dives post-coup, to gain control of their natural resources... This is neo-colonialism on a scale not seen since pre-WW1... and many people can't fathom it, or are willfully ignorant of it due to their distrust of the West and it's past mistakes.
Civilization evolved to do away with monarchy and autocracy, through liberalism, and I fear that there's a push to return to monarchic/autocratic systems by those with little historical and sociological context.
Where was the bias? The other channels I listened to were openly pro Russia!
@tyleryoung306 I know Mr Luc Michel and to the best of my knowledge he's merely a contributor to Afrique media. I sense the arrogance in both you and the other albino in this video. I know the welfare of Nigerians and Africans in general is not of interest to you. This is report is not truthful and will only impress those not fully informed of the problems on the ground.
It's been established that France created insurgency and terrorists groups. We know that there are areas where the French prevent local official government soldiers from venturing into areas of their own country. Your coalition of Nato will never succeed on this one, trust me.
@@tyleryoung306
Thank you for this interesting comment.
@@tyleryoung306 I totally agree you only need to look at several different sources of the news reporting around the recent Sahel regions coups to realize that there are unique factors in each one though the common thread may seem anti colonial the facts on the ground would suggest a range of inter personal rivalries, incitement through propaganda, power grabbing, greed etc etc, in other words business as usual on planet earth. But what you say about that Belgian guy is interesting, people go on about France but often forget Belgium's disastrous tenure in the Congo that set the stage for home grown African dictators like Mobutu.
Corruption of Civilian government is a big reason that desperate people turn to Military Strongmen even in the Sahel, and they almost always come to regret that decision later.
The issue is that the military is as corrupted if not more corrupted than the civilian government (politicians)
@sankaralionelolivier4249 Yes that is absolutely true. But frustrated people don't think clearly when trying to solve their problems.
"... The 'people TURNED to strongmen..". Give me a break. These 'military strong men' forces themselves on the people!
Goes from bad to even worse
Beautiful video as usual, only one correction: Timbuktu is NOT Tuareg territory. Timbuktu has gone from Manden (Sussu and Soninke) speaking to Shonghai speaking, with brief stints of Morroccan, French, and yes Tuareg control.
Whether the Tuareg identify as Black or not, the civilization in the city of Timbuktu was built by proto-Mande or Mande-speaking peoples, who built the original settlement in the area and already were accustomed to an advanced urban culture before the birth of Jesus Christ.
@@geoms6263that’s why it’s been destroyed by the Touareg
@@geoms6263 some weirdo in facebook was posting misinformation that Mali (civilization) was arab...Called him out quickly about how Mali succeeded Gao and Ghana which were proto-Mande pastoralist at first
Tuareg homeland is Mauritania and Libyan deserts.
Please can the ABC give this team a regular slot on TV and a budget to produce a weekly programme.
RUclips is where ABC programming is at these days
@@gracegorman642true, but wouldn't it be great to get this information out as far and wide as possible though? Loads of people still watch ABC on the telly.
to spread such propaganda, we don't want that.
Please donate to ABC. Budget struggle, audience is dwindling.
So that he spreads more lies? This presentation is not truthful at all.
It takes a lot to make a stew
A pinch of salt and laughter too
A scoop of kids to add the spice
A dash of love to make it nice
And you've got
Too many coups
(Too many coups)
Some of the information is egregiously wrong. The Tuareg rebellion was not Islamist, it was nationalist. Azawad nationalists (MNLA) actually fought the Islamists (Ansar Al-Dine) but lost. The reason the nationalist uprising began was bc Gaddafi employed Tuareg mercs and when the NATO bombed Libya and Gaddafi lost, the Tuareg troops took their Libyan heavy weapons and made a break for independence. This is why Azawad doesn’t try to extend into southern Mali. If it were Islamist it would. It’s shocking how little basic research was done for this video. The ABC’s own news reports from Apr 6 2012 paint a totally different, more truthful picture than this video
The fact he tried to make it look like the French were defending a democratically elected President should have been a red light to EVERYONE. The fact that it isn't brings into the spotlight how strong the propaganda regimen that has been fuelled by the ABC and media (and our education system) is.
Unfortunately, the West calls them elected officials when they are pro-Western, and dictators when they are not.
Thank you for exposing this western apologizist
"Some" ? More like "most". This is not journalism or reporting, it's plain stupid propaganda. They just love to keep giving us reasons.
The goal is not to inform, but to misinform.
@sxnap3480there are both Tuareg nationalists and Islamists. The nationalists have risen up many times in the past century, most recently 2007-09 before this last uprising. However the Islamist tuaregs defeated the nationalists and that led to the situation you described. This detail is important bc the program ignores nationalism and paints every conflict as terrorism. It’s politically easier for France to fight Ansar al-Dine than to invade a new nation and risk triggering public memories of Algeria
excellent opening, great reporting!
Interesting. Is there an update for this?
West Africa wanting to govern their own affairs & resources could trigger WW3??
Clickbait
If 'West Africa' wanted change, then the generals would not need to stage military coups.
Honestly. Annoying title.
@eldrago19 the citizens obviously are on board with the coups which shows the politicians were not delivering
Great production like always 🙏🏾
a world war over africas resources...
Unbeleivable‼️ Thank you
I like the way you report!
Ousting Gaddafi destabilized the entire region.
A big omission.
Or... the west could just leave us alone and respect our sovereignty.
I don't believe the people would have love that. That would inevitable bring about regression in their countries! Because, even now, people are endangering their lives to reach the 'West', as you call it. They are not running to Russia!
"The west" is such a vague statement. Private Corporations from all over the globe Are pillaging Africa for Their resources. North American and European Companies have had their hooks dug in for over 100 years, but now the rise of other Countries are now starting to emerge, they want influence and favouritism with the sole reason of blaming these companies and countries Horrendous action towards to people and Continent. Proxy wars are brewing all over Africa and the people are caught in the middle between Corporations manufactured conflicts, all in the while many African leaders are getting richer through campaign donations and bribes which is a sole cause for contributing to the Chaos.
Sounds good to me, and we'll keep our aid and investment too ;)
@@TomorrowWeLive good
@@analyticalmindset 🙏 for yous ❤️🙌
Watching this episode as an African just brought tears to my eyes. When will the massacre and exploitation of my people end...
When the French get rid of those repressive laws they have upon the Colonies françaises d'Afrique
@@bellingdog which will never happen
Africa need to unite and get rid of the puppet leaders across the region
Oga Let's not lie to ourselves most of us are to busy to care and want coups to happen 😂.
@anonymousvip1665 well, these coups are having some kind of effect. And, the West is imploding in on itself, slowly. So, I agree with you, in our lifetime, but may be in the next century.
Africa has had enough. The same is happening around the world.
Fabulous! Great program. Thank you.
Finally the Imperialistic west is on the downfall…… 💁🏻♂️🙌🏼🔥🔥🔥
This is very well presented.. bravo, so good that I'm seeing it twice😅
Very good, but too short.
This video comes up when I click on the China population episode. Great show thank you 😊
What was missed out was that the Toureg terrorists were pushed out from Libya after France and the UK removed Ghadafi.
Nice work 👍
This is incredibly well done.
I love this show! Been listening since the first episode of 'Russia, If You're Listening'. Only learned just now that it's on RUclips though, so excited there's some visual to go along with the amazing commentary. ❤ please keep up the great work, big fan here. The biggliest!
to most in the WEST this is information. To Africa and people of those in countries choosing to Coup the govt, know the truth, which most of the West will never seek out.
This show is actually really good. I quite like it.
Nice to see comments turned on for an ABC video.
Here's a comment to boost your engagement!
The title makes it sound like it would be Africa's fault. That's funny.
I wish that our educational systems just taught a few compulsory subjects. Math, languages, basic science and logic/problem solving. We seem to want our kids access to learn everything and they seem to learn nothing, or at least nothing that gives them the ability to reason. Does the average person watch a fine documentary like this? Do they understand why Russia has as good or better status in central Africa compared to the "west"? There should be a billion views of this program. If you watch this program, why not drop a note in the comments of a few other RUclips shows?
History and world economics classes are optional subjects
Our very educational system is controlled my dear. We have basically allowed ourselves to be robots for the sake of white supremacy.
this video is very trivial and if the taught you logic in your country's education system you would know this news story is very trivial given the true nature of what france has done to its former colonies.
They need to be taught how to find information and vet it; in other words how to use a search engine and to detect bias, disinformation and propaganda online.
@@Grenadier311 well said
Great video thank u
If the pace of this video was slower it would be backwards.
great summary and delivered well. thank you!
It's not a great summary of events that have transpired. It's a jumbled mess of ardent lies. You need to get the real information from the ground. This man is lying.
Great show! 0:45
Whats interesting about this video is Volkswagen's Touareg is more renowned than the actual people
This presenter's tone is better suited telling horror stories to kiddies
Excellent thanks
I didn't see you talk to the people and getting their opinion because the people I know that are actually from there have a different story
The emergence of the extremist Al-Qaeda group in Mali can be attributed in part to the Arab Spring, which the West, including France and the USA, inadvertently fueled. This was exacerbated by their intervention in Libya, resulting in the overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi's leadership and subsequent destabilization of the entire region. Timbuktu in Mali became one of the unfortunate victims of this turmoil.
The sad thing is the ordinary citizens dont benefit no matter what happens at the top
Actually they do. Look at Libia when Gaddafi original took power. Years after the Italians were expelled Libia had a higher GDP then their former colonial masters. The per captia was also higher then European countries. The point I'm trying to make is that once a country has control of the resources they can begin infrastructure projects that lift the nation out of poverty.
@@kegtappereiu I agree with u but libya is 1 in a milion look at the majority of Africa it's the wild west poverty ever wher
I could imagine that here the US is also playing a role. It is meant to reduce the influence of France in its former colonies.
why would NATO want less French influence in Western Africa?
@@bellingdogThe US already has build multiple basis in Africa in the last say 10 to 15 years. I have ZERO evidence but I wouldn't be surprised to see the US "meddling" (more) in West Africa at the expense of France. Everyone is blaming Russia for the unrest over there but no one is mentioning what the US is doing over there.
Keep in mind: France is not part of NATO.
@@bellingdog It wouldnt that guy is just being daft of course the US doesnt mind expanding their bases to all nations if they can and exploiting the resources as well.
You call people terrorists who fight for their land and way if life
"You can't fire me, I fire u"
So this is The Scramble for Africa 2.0...This script has been running for over 200 years, personally I feel deeply sorry for the people of Africa being eternally trapped between exploiting powers, Africa has been the victim of Might Is Right for too long.
Continue to enjoy this programme in its many iterations since Russia are you listening. A perfect snap shot for all those who want to know what is happening to our world politics. Thanks Matt for an amazing podcast and now RUclips channel
When corruption is in control it will always fall eventually. Name one that isn't corrupt....
to most in the WEST this is information. To Africa and people of those in countries choosing to Coup the govt, know the truth, which most of the West will never seek out.
Excellent research. Thank you.
No it's not
great vid
The dynamics are changing let's continue God will be with us
This is a wonderful, inciteful and clear explanation. Thank you!
More insightful than inciteful, hopefully.
OOPS!!! :D So sorry about that... insightful.@@jvvoid
Lord cover the continent of Africa with peace and not war in Jesus Name
Take it easy they are breaking free from French colonialism!
I have to agree with the criticisms here: without going into the exploitation of Africa by the West, it leaves out a lot of the story.
Wagner group and Al Queda are certainly worse than the French, but people being exploited by France don't know that. We can't act like people are irrational for rebelling against centuries of having resources stolen. Terror groups often gain footholds by promising to end that exploitation.
so your point is what exactly? stay getting exploited for the greater good ?
@blackink8471 read with friends it is penetrable
The sandstone structures are ancient.
There are many Western and foreign countries who have a presence in West Africa...how comes it's always the French flags being burnt? France is very neocolonial
Because the Brits were cleverer in their policy. They got out and fostered the Commonwealth and have allsorts of covert Machinations going on. I'm sure.The French, likee always, like a bull in a chinaa shop.they act just like that which they enforced on their colonies - they have 2 become french. The brits simply wanted to make money and left colonies, often self autonomous, but with dependencies
Cleverer? Wait...
Old system: I pay you, you keep me in power.
New system: I get rid of you, and we pay ourselves.
Not true
@@user-hv9vn4fi4w System in Canada: I pretend to obtain the consent of the governed, then I do what my big money donors want me to do.
Thank you, extremely interesting!
This is getting old they've been dealing with this crap for too long
Gee wizz, war never stops.
No mention of the CFA franc...
Aegis and Blackwater too ?
no mention of the fact the terrorist in the sahel were created by the french when the bombed an innocent nationalist movement just like the alshabab in somalia were created by the massacre of the islamic union courts in mogadisho somalia there are no bigger terrorists than the west. you should make that your next segment
I wanted and hoped he would talk about that too. But a Westerner will always be one, half truth tellers and evaders of all faults.
you crazy, he never will, cause is part of the propaganda machine, mainstream media, he kind of but hurt cause Russia dont mess around and take out the terrorist and dont use the Geneva convention laws that gives terrorists a free past to kill,
why the Arabic word inshallah is not translated like other words in the sentences?
Like everything in this video apart from the last words you said. The region is not holding its last breath, please
Building of a massive solar panel systems and also nuclear plants
Wonderful documentary
Africa!
Such a lovely place!
It is very heartening to know that humans can thrive in 40c all year round temperatures in these fearful days of global warming
Those people have a lot of melanin, that's how they survive that heat.
NOT WEST AFRICA insighting war, it's FRANCE AND USA, all over the world. Say it like it is!!!!
insighting? inciting.
@@JV-oi6ch exactly, glad you understood. 😁
Matt Bevan or Planet America.... Mmmm.... Ahhhm. I'll take both. Yeah, both. Thank you Matt. Enjoying you & your content on You Tube now 👍
Love this reporting. Clear and concise with a pinch of humor.
I agree... WWIII has a funny ring to it... this won't be a "pinch"... this will be a BIG KABOOM... you know, like in them old Saturday morning violent, but funny, cartoons...😁...🤣
clear and contrived to hide the hideous conduct of french government in west africa...
to most in the WEST this is information. To Africa and people of those in countries choosing to Coup the govt, know the truth, which most of the West will never seek out.
Most of the report is lies. I'll look elsewhere for information on the Sahel if I were you.
@@firstblessings8777 I wouldn't say so. There are misrepresentations, but the main problem are the omissions.
No mention of the CFA Franc, the foreign election meddling, debt traps, targeted assassinations of democratically elected leaders that didn't play ball with the empire...
It is not terrorism you keep saying that bro,what are they doing here?you know who the terrorist is
Could we say 'the Coup Belt'.
West supported aparteid in South Africa while Soviet Union opposed it. Russia supports African independence while West wants to continue to exploit it.
Western governments you mean, don't ascribe the policies of a particular country to all the people's of that nation, after all most western democracies get in on less than 50 per cent of the population at any given time. And if I recall correctly there was actually great social pressure amongst many western people to have there govts condemn the behavior of the apartheid Sth African govt. And to be honest the ANC has done a bloody terrible job, look at them now, can't even keep the lights on for a few hours at a time, corrupt as the day is long.
Oh yeah and P.S Russia has been trying to get it's hands on Africa for decades, you won't be getting a benevolent benefactor with them or China for that matter, you only need to look at how they tun their own countries. Dictatorially.
Finally a video which lets u understand the situation.
But why did this Wagner troop using soviet tactics in this village. So barabaric, to show an "example"
Why not? The Soviets are always sincere
I love these shows.
That’s not west Africa that’s Sub-Sahara Africa Most of those countries are empty.
mali ,Burkina Faso and Guinea are west but most west Africa is on the coast near largest water access.
😂 you cant fire me I'm firing you 😂
How Europe and the US could trigger WW3. Fix your title.
Look what the French and Dutch did
My guy we Africans ain't interested in any war.. u guys bring those things to us.. West West fix ur problems and leave Africa alone..
What a Rail road and also a massive industrial development sectors corridor from West to the East of Africa thru Guinea to Sudan and link to the North and also the South simple
Western-centric reporting about Africa. The West has lost its footing in Africa and we thank God!
Please can u show us how franch as a country is about to suffee
Gabon military chiefs were you listening?
timbuktu the city of gold.
Very interesting topic and might i add good presented, but a bit of a clickbaity title . But in any case, lets hope their wont be a big war like that in Africa. The refugee crisis that would creat, would make the one in 2015/16 look like walk in the park.
can't see a problem
Fingers crossed!!! 🤞🤞🤞
Westerner journalism always misses certain details when it comes to African stories, I cant wondering how much details this guy left, after living here in Australia for more than 15yrs, I understand.
Miss certain details or intentionally leave out certain details.
Do tell us what was missed
Well for starters he has left out the fact that Wagner forces are ruthlessly effective when it comes to fighting jihadists and they've managed to bring some semblance of control in the areas where they conduct operations. Also he keeps on invoking the US in this while the US has largely stayed out of this conflict ,I get the sense that he's trying to drive the narrative that being pro Russia means you are anti- West or Anti US...which may be true in Europe and USA but this is not how African countries function ...there's no Anti West - Pro China/ Russia or vice versa narrative in Africa... African politics even domestic politics doesn't function like that that's why you never see headlines such as 'far right or far left leader elected president of .... country '
People burning French flags doesn't mean they are Anti west ,they are just Anti French just that
@@aaronngui7938 Do do your research to find out the truth instead of listening to yourselves.
It was intentional.
i hear malinese music. tinariwen?
Is all about Africa awakening, no War
Fugue to a darkening country was written 50 years ago and it is so prescient
This is the best breakdown
We saw Iraq,Libya Afghanistan,Yugoslavia and many more why don't you talk about that