thanks for this info dude. literally just ordered a bag 5 min ago after seeing this. will update my alice ruck with this configuration now. stay savage dude . cheers
Thanks for posting this video. A website has these surplus bags for $22 right now and i literally have about 30 alice frames sitting in my shed i won at an auction.
I made a plate for the top of my Alice Frame duplicating the mount holes for the original filbe shoulder harness utilizing it and bought the strap buckles they first put out to add to the plastic frame utilizing it to the Alice Frame to attach my shoulder straps. I didn't want to give up the quick release shoulder straps.
Grunt Gear Review Instead of zip ties I’m going to rig up some short lengths of 1/2” webbing with some ITW buckles, if that doesn’t work use some 550 cord. Keep up the good work man and stay safe.
Do the zip ties hold up good? Also with mine I tighten the shoulder straps at the top where it goes past the bar about an inch it helped with rubbing the neck for me. I am gona try your way with the iso mat an see how I like it. Do you know what the straps on the bottom of the pack are called?
I have never had one of these zipties break and I've put a good number of miles on this set up as well as the pack has been tossed around during travel and what not. And sorry i don't have a name for those straps specifically, They should come with the FILBE pack.
Awesome video- the 2:40 mark is really, especially insightful. And surplus websites seem to call those two straps the "lower compression straps" or the "sleeping bag straps". They're part of the issue pack but for whatever reason they aren't always included with surplus bags- especially unassembled, piecemeal surplus stuff. These guys probably enjoy charging people an extra $15 or $20 for the straps so they consider it a separate part. Decent deal I guess if you have one of them rip or break though and just need a quick replacement.
Question, Brother..... Do or Did you have any "creaking" from the shoulder straps at the top of the frame, where they loop around the frame and back to the shoulder strap ??? If so, how did you get rid of it (if you did) ??? Thank you in advance.
It's gonna creak a little. I think it's just the webbing stretching a lil bit. Does it on my Tac Tailor MALICE frame too. Never found a way to get rid of it.
@@hellcatdave1, dang. 😪. Not only is that annoying during my training ruck marches....it might give away your position if in the woods. 🤷♂️ Thank you for the reply.
@@gabriels5105, it isn't the metal. It is the straps. The ones that attach the shoulder straps to the top of the frame. Especially, with weight in the pack
how does that tac tailor kidney pad fit around your plate carrier? My current setup has the pad resting on the edge of my PC no matter how i adjust it.
I’m a soldier not a marine, but now I want to get a FILBE system because they’re set up is better then our molle stuff, and it’s even better that I can just use my old Alice pack’s frame on it because the plastic ones are so annoying.
The FILBE packs work but they aren't my favorite thing in the world. The side panels pretty much avoid the side synching straps so you just kinda end up with loose MOLLE panels with whatever pouches you've attached.
Just curious, why did you attach the ruck to the frame with zip ties vs. Paracord? In the past I've had zip ties break in cold weather under heavy strain. Just wondering.
I got a really beaten up FILBE pack which was missing some of the straps you connected to the frame with zip ties, would it work if I used some of the PALS webbing to tighten it to the frame with zip ties?
If I am picturing what you are asking correctly, I suppose it would but it would be a janky fitment. The zip tied parts aren't mandatory, it will work without.
I pulled my old pack out it’s salty was looking for a video on cleaning this popped up watched it anyways when you said this buckle right here thought you were gonna show it was broken or something but no instead I get epically trolled 🤣 Epstein didn’t kill Himself
Can you use any shoulder straps for this? Also this doesn't allow you to use shoulder lifter straps - so doesn't the weight goes into your shoulders more?
So I have seen people use the issued shoulder strap harness with an ALICE frame if that is what you mean. Any ALICE pack straps will work with this setup. Besides that, as long as there is a way for the straps to mount to the frame, I don't see why not. If you have something specific I can do some research and get you an answer. As for the lifter straps, if the Shoulder Straps come with Lifter Straps, it should work all the same. The way I look at it, weight has to go somewhere (either shoulders or hips). With this setup, I am able to switch the weight from my shoulders to my hips as needed. I hope this helps, if not, I will gladly discuss further.
the best way to modify the frame is to add two more vertical 1 inch by eighth of an inch aluminum straps and two lateral wanted inch lateral straps and rivet them on and you could use the original shoulder harness which is what I did and it is perfect by adding two additional vertical aluminum 1 inch by 1/8 in straps and two lateral 1 inch by 1/8 straps you will have the same attachments for the body harness as the Down East 606 frame which will be a 100 times stronger than the original frame and you will be able to use the load lifter straps
Correction- these are not the "super low profile" straps.
I did this to my issued ruck. It improves the comfort by a lot. Also you don't have to worry about it breaking in the middle of a long field op.
Same I had my old plastic frame break getting off a bird 😅
thanks for this info dude. literally just ordered a bag 5 min ago after seeing this. will update my alice ruck with this configuration now. stay savage dude . cheers
Saved my life for this ruck run tomorrow, thanks man.
Hydrate or die
2:42 is my favorite part of the video.
3 years later, still fresh hahaha
Not gonna lie, I was really focused on that buckle... then he said that and I lost it lol. 😂
Thanks for posting this video. A website has these surplus bags for $22 right now and i literally have about 30 alice frames sitting in my shed i won at an auction.
What site? $22 sounds sketchy
I will gladly take one of those alive frames off your hands…
Selling those frames??
Sell the frames!
Selling frames ?
Thank you for this exactly what I was looking for I have an Alice frame from an APOBS
2:49 Wow, never thought of that. Great suggestion.
I need an alice frame now lol. The pastic one broke in 3 places, hurts when I ruck
I made a plate for the top of my Alice Frame duplicating the mount holes for the original filbe shoulder harness utilizing it and bought the strap buckles they first put out to add to the plastic frame utilizing it to the Alice Frame to attach my shoulder straps. I didn't want to give up the quick release shoulder straps.
Going to rig up my old ALICE frame like this, just have to find a Surplus FILBE Pack. Good video.
Thanks man, let me know if I can help in any way
Grunt Gear Review Instead of zip ties I’m going to rig up some short lengths of 1/2” webbing with some ITW buckles, if that doesn’t work use some 550 cord. Keep up the good work man and stay safe.
@@JEJAK_777 I would be very interested to see how that works out brother
Do the zip ties hold up good? Also with mine I tighten the shoulder straps at the top where it goes past the bar about an inch it helped with rubbing the neck for me. I am gona try your way with the iso mat an see how I like it. Do you know what the straps on the bottom of the pack are called?
I have never had one of these zipties break and I've put a good number of miles on this set up as well as the pack has been tossed around during travel and what not. And sorry i don't have a name for those straps specifically, They should come with the FILBE pack.
If you are still curious, I am about to upload a video of me taking this same pack apart to see how everything held up.
Awesome video- the 2:40 mark is really, especially insightful. And surplus websites seem to call those two straps the "lower compression straps" or the "sleeping bag straps". They're part of the issue pack but for whatever reason they aren't always included with surplus bags- especially unassembled, piecemeal surplus stuff. These guys probably enjoy charging people an extra $15 or $20 for the straps so they consider it a separate part. Decent deal I guess if you have one of them rip or break though and just need a quick replacement.
Thanks for the video dude!
I have a frame with literally nothing on it. Will the issued pack be a complete swap with no other attachments needed for the Alice frame?
Question, Brother.....
Do or Did you have any "creaking" from the shoulder straps at the top of the frame, where they loop around the frame and back to the shoulder strap ???
If so, how did you get rid of it (if you did) ???
Thank you in advance.
It's gonna creak a little. I think it's just the webbing stretching a lil bit. Does it on my Tac Tailor MALICE frame too. Never found a way to get rid of it.
@@hellcatdave1, dang. 😪.
Not only is that annoying during my training ruck marches....it might give away your position if in the woods.
🤷♂️
Thank you for the reply.
Add oil. It should prevent friction. I would try silicone oil. I am assuming its not metal bending.
@@gabriels5105, it isn't the metal.
It is the straps.
The ones that attach the shoulder straps to the top of the frame.
Especially, with weight in the pack
@@thefucrew9865 I would still try oiling that since its probably friction making the noise.
how does that tac tailor kidney pad fit around your plate carrier? My current setup has the pad resting on the edge of my PC no matter how i adjust it.
It sits under the plate as it should. Try putting your PC on, and then lay down on your back, into your pack frame, and strap in that way
Much appreciated brother 🙏
Thanks bro this will help me not having my back and shoulders fucked on rucks cuz my plate carrier makes me feel the suck w the main pack
I’m a soldier not a marine, but now I want to get a FILBE system because they’re set up is better then our molle stuff, and it’s even better that I can just use my old Alice pack’s frame on it because the plastic ones are so annoying.
The FILBE packs work but they aren't my favorite thing in the world. The side panels pretty much avoid the side synching straps so you just kinda end up with loose MOLLE panels with whatever pouches you've attached.
I’ve seen grunts in the USMC use the Army pack but they had a metal frame on it
Just curious, why did you attach the ruck to the frame with zip ties vs. Paracord? In the past I've had zip ties break in cold weather under heavy strain. Just wondering.
That's a very valid argument, to be honest I haven't run into the issue. Could also depend on exactly what ziptie. 550 would work just fine
I got a really beaten up FILBE pack which was missing some of the straps you connected to the frame with zip ties, would it work if I used some of the PALS webbing to tighten it to the frame with zip ties?
If I am picturing what you are asking correctly, I suppose it would but it would be a janky fitment. The zip tied parts aren't mandatory, it will work without.
alright 2:43 fucking sent me, had to run it back and show my TL
Is this an LC1 or LC2 frame?
Honestly couldn't tell ya. Brent0331 has some alice pack videos, that should help
DUDE !!!
You got a thumbs up from me just for the Epstein comment !!!
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I aim to please haha
I pulled my old pack out it’s salty was looking for a video on cleaning this popped up watched it anyways when you said this buckle right here thought you were gonna show it was broken or something but no instead I get epically trolled 🤣 Epstein didn’t kill Himself
Can you use any shoulder straps for this? Also this doesn't allow you to use shoulder lifter straps - so doesn't the weight goes into your shoulders more?
So I have seen people use the issued shoulder strap harness with an ALICE frame if that is what you mean. Any ALICE pack straps will work with this setup. Besides that, as long as there is a way for the straps to mount to the frame, I don't see why not. If you have something specific I can do some research and get you an answer.
As for the lifter straps, if the Shoulder Straps come with Lifter Straps, it should work all the same. The way I look at it, weight has to go somewhere (either shoulders or hips). With this setup, I am able to switch the weight from my shoulders to my hips as needed.
I hope this helps, if not, I will gladly discuss further.
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Issued frames are bs. Too much shit
the best way to modify the frame is to add two more vertical 1 inch by eighth of an inch aluminum straps and two lateral wanted inch lateral straps and rivet them on and you could use the original shoulder harness which is what I did and it is perfect by adding two additional vertical aluminum 1 inch by 1/8 in straps and two lateral 1 inch by 1/8 straps you will have the same attachments for the body harness as the Down East 606 frame which will be a 100 times stronger than the original frame and you will be able to use the load lifter straps
Dec2023, good knowledge 👍