It's a breath of fresh air to find a yt pc chanel that focuses on creators, not just on gaming. It's actually amazing for me to see just how much grown man use their computer only for gaming.. Nevermind, thanx for the tips, it helped me in buying my new computer a lot. Greets from Croatia.
It was true until ai features are being rolled out. Image Denoise with AI feature is GREATLY enhanced by a modern Graphic Card, What takes 5/10 seconds per picture with a rtx3070 is taking up to a minute with the integrated graphic.
Both Lightroom Classic and Photoshop use the GPU rather than CPU if you check the "Performance" settings. Secondly it is better for many of us to use more practical measurements than a benchmarking software. I can see significant improvement in processing times with a better GPU. Going from a 5600XT to a 3060, my results were three times better.
Things changed with the appearance of AI denoise and other ai demanding tools in Photoshop 2023. It would be interesting to see an updated video about GPU influence on these AI dependent tools.
@@chrislognshot AI Denoise is extremely dependent on GPU. If it takes you 20 min, then you either have an old and weak discrete graphic card or an integrated graphics
An extremely helpful video for all of us who are wondering if the graphics card really matters in Photoshop!! Years ago Adobe advertised a special "engine" within Photoshop (I think they called it "Mercury") that would harness the GTX 470 to shift some processing loads from the CPU to that graphics card. Photoshop still says it connects to my current GTX 1070ti to aid in processing, but turning that off seems to make no significant difference. Please continue to remember us photographers as you offer such wisdom! Thanks!
Ive got an Intel 12900K and a RTX3050. Because it lacks the flash seen on some gaming rigs, I felt silly having this lower end card paired with that CPU. Now, I see that it is more than I'll ever need for my photo editing. Thanks for calming my "gotta have it" brain. 👍
One notable exception to this will be the use of DXO's Deep PRIME de-noise, which is used in either DXO PureRaw or DXO PhotoLab. It typically shows an increase of at least 2x on a GPU compared to a CPU, even with older mid-range GPU and mid-range CPU. For example, I have a Geforce GTX 1050Ti which processes a large 100MPixel file in 48 seconds, compared to my CPU (Intel I5-10400F - yeah should have got the non-F) taking 112 seconds. Other people show much larger increases, and over 10x increase has been reported. Other de-noise tech may also use GPU acceleration, not sure about increases they show, maybe there are benchmarks out there.
100% correct - now (late 2023) even more applications are utilising the GPU and nvidia even has native optimisations in their software. I use DxO and no contest btw RTX gpu (winner) and the mb gpu. For any skeptics out there checkout the discussions on the DxO user forum.
I believe Capture One and Darktable make use of a dedicated GPU (especially Nvidia), but I don't think Adobe products do the same. There is a big benefit to having a dedicated GPU when using Topaz software. My workflow is a mix of various software for photo and video editing, so I am in the process of building a new i9-12900k system that will have an Nvidia RTX 3080 ti and 64GB of DDR4. One thing to consider is that even if a program can make use of a high-end CPU or graphics card, the code might not be well-optimized and the user experience might fall below expectations.
Agree with this for apps like Capture One. I upgraded to a 3080 from a 3070 and my export time for 200 1DX Mark II CR2 files went from 2 minutes to a 1 minute and 30 seconds. Generating previews also saw a similar speed increase. A fast GPU can really speed things up for workflows that regularly deals with high volumes of RAW files.
great point, im looking for a laptop that can handle the gigapixel software and wanted to know what should i have to get a good to really fast image processed within a couple of seconds?thnaks
I use PS and Camera Raw to edit photos, zero video editing. I did my first ever computer build last year after watching you build an ASUS ProArt B550 system. I used an AMD Ryzen 5 5600X, two Sabrent Rockets, and 32GB of RAM. Hardly any GPUs were available and since I only edit photos I didn't think I needed a great one. I installed an Nvidia GeForce GTX1650. The result is that I edit photos blazingly fast. Convert all my NEFs to DNGs, works great. And watching your video putting a system together helped so much.
At 04:25 you're speaking my language! This is where I need maximum performance, and when I need something dependable and fast. I process 400 images in a batch. Exporting images from RAW editing to Photoshop and then saving the files. Time is $$$ and optimizing this function is a time saver. I do video and stills as part of multimedia presentations. How much of a difference is there between the 3060 and the 3060 ti? I have the 3060. Thank you. :)
Another interesting video. If I shoot in RAW I convert to DNG as my old version of Photoshop can't handle Canon CR2 files and the comments about core performance were useful as this is a slow process with lots of files. My basic understanding of GPU's is that they're used for crypto mining, video editing, gaming, driving multiple screens. Anything else? If your CPU has an iGPU how is the workload shared between the iGPU and the GPU? From your previous videos it seems that a good GPU is more important if you edit with DaVinci Resolve as opposed to other programs. Is this right? I'd already figured out that a GPU wasn't really necessary for photo editing, but necessary for video editing. You're making some great videos. From almost zero knowledge of PC's a month or two ago, I've learnt a lot from your channel!
This is most helpful. I wish I had this knowledge when I built my first PC for mixed workflows and light gaming just last year. However, I am now more prepared to make better budgeting decisions when I do build again in the future. Thanks for sharing!
I wish I'd seen this video a month ago. Nope, I watched about a hundred videos, and did a whole whack of reading, and comparing, and shopping. Now I have a pile of parts just waiting to go together, and I probably spend waaay toooo much money. Yes, I'm a photographer, and no, I don't game at all! I can console myself a little though, because I am also getting into video production and I think (I hope) the dedicated graphics card I purchased will provide some benefit on that side of things. On the plus side, I have a computer to start building, and no matter how you slice it, that will be fun. It's my first new computer build in about nine years, so my old one was definitely getting long in the tooth. Thanks for the informative video.
I would love to hear your thoughts on workstation specific gpu’s or photo/video creators! I’m thinking AMD Radeon Pro W6600 etc, etc… and how they compare in the real world to gaming gpu’s.
Officially Lightroom support GPUs and depends of GPU kinds offers full or partitional acceleration. Its actually helps processing big files for panoramas etc, but at least my graphic card sometimes working unstable and cause Lightroom crash ,so usually I keep "GPU Acceleration" option disabled. Capture One using OpenCL libraries and working stable ,but OpenCL initialization process takes some minuts, starting sometimes with software start and annoying.Agree with you ,for photography fast CPU and more memory is the best option so far.
Working with photographers for years. Their main thing requirement has always been storage. With the advent of cloud storage some of that has changed. But fast storage has always been the requirement of those folks.
Great video on this topic. Though being 2022 as a photographer there is no escape from video editing. From RUclips to Sales packages including video to land a client. Your assessment is spot on as photos alone but if there is to be any advancement in marketing better invest in that high end card to be prepared when the time comes.
Dude, I have a little 1660 Super for my work PC and that thing NEVER even has load on it. MAYBE when I export in Pr, the fans will kick on for like a little bit.
Most likely you didn't activate hardware acceleration in Lightroom Preferences. Using my procesors video it took forever to export 500 photos. I added an RTX 2060 S and in Lightroom Preferences I verified that hardware aceleration was now on my RTX and not internal Intel it took only a few minutes to export them. Varify that Hardware Acceleration is sctivated and also the Full Acceleration checkmark below is checked. Then do the Benchmark.
Great video! I have a question: Why haven't you also recommended Workstation Cards to your audience? I lucked out: I do Pro Photography as a second/side job, and more and more video is being demanded say, for Event Photography, so thinking of cards that specialize in rendering, last Jan '21 I bought a PNY (Nvdia) Quadro RTX4000 for what I was crazy-expensive at the time ($900)... since then the 30 series cards have just EXPLODED in price, even my card many places goes for up to $1100 - but that's far less than the top-end Nvdia cards; the difference I spent in maxing out my RAM (128GB Corsair Vengeance RGB RT), and got a 5900X and OC'd it to 4.5Ghz, instead of paying $200 more for the 5950X... The combo easily plays back, edits and renders my Sony A1 8K video files)... I think I have a 'best of both worlds' scenario in buying a less flashy video card and below-the-top processor, but spending more on the ram and getting great performance.
This is good video but for folks that are still watching this in 2023/2024 and beyond: AI models (from ACR, Lightroom, Topaz, and so on, there are now zillion of them) use GPU a lot, and many of them actually require good GPU to even run.
Yeah this video didnt age well. I hate to be the one to say it but sure this used to get us by and used to be pretty good info for old programs, however about 6 months back AI really hit the editing world. Denoising, ai sharpening, virtual blurs, it would take me 20-30 minutes just to render 1 single photo and my pc sounded like it was climbing Mt Everest. I just couldn't feasably maintain deadlines with this huge road block that presented itself. So i broke down, installed an rtx 4080 and now things that require denoise or topaz get blasted out in seconds. Tldr, if your a photographer that doesnt do a lot of editing, doesnt use a lot of ai programs a gpu is just a super expensive paperweight. But if you do use many of the new ai tools at our disposal, you're hindering your workflow tremensously by not having a good gpu. Ultimately you'll need to decide if its worth it for your specific photography needs, but its no longer a good rule of thumb that gpu's are a waste of money for all of us
this is usually what photographers ask on facebook groups ! i have an old setup with i5 3rd generation, and it confirms what i know, with enough or ram and an ssd for system, programs and catalog, it still works fine with lr&ps it will be interresting to get same kind of advice with the next generation of amd processors thanks
This is my current setup atm i am an automotive graphics designer/motion gfx artist/ video editor and part time gamer😂 btw this was my first setup was an optiplex 3050 had an i5 6400 only 8gb ramsticks, gt710 gpu it wasn't the best but it did its job to design graphics had that for 3 years now... most games i play are gta5,assetto corsa,carxdrift racing,fs19/22 this computer was built 3 weeks ago specs to my new computer: case: lian li 011 dynamic razer edition motherboard : rog strix b550-f ram: corsair 64gb ram (16gb ram sticks) cpu: ryzen 7 5800x gpu: gigabyte rtx3060 elite (12gb 3x fans) aio: corsair h150i (360m) fans: corsair ll120 black psu: evga 850w storage 1: baracuda 4tb hdd storage 2: samsung 970 ssd storage 3: seagate 2tb external storage4: seagate 1tb external
Bro if as you say dont need GPU for photographers, but just in case, jump on 3060ti, perhaps even better can get used 1070ti which is 2 gens behind however can encode/decode same formats (except AV1) and cost less than $100 used used, its overkill for photo editing.
I'm building a PC for my mom who is a photographer and GPU didn't even cross my mind and I'm glad this guy confirmed my suspicions. SPEND THE MONEY ON FAST SSD'S MULTIPLES AND SET THEM IN RAID 1 FOR RELIABILITY AND ENDLESS STORAGE INSTEAD
DXO Deep Prime XD and similar AI noise reduction tools use the GPU to create the export file. A base card like a RX6600 can take 30 seconds to create the exported file whereby a higher end / newer one can take 5 seconds. For someone like me working with 500 photos or more per day increasing productivity fivefold or more is beneficial.
You don't even mention the whole SD card slot situation, shouldn't getting that added, and making sure you have a case that can take one be important? I've never built so these are all things I'm wondering about. (although I'm also coming at it from the perspective of video editing not just photos)
It's like people don't read the system requirements that every software developer provides. And many provide a minimum and recommended so you can make a sound choice.
I think this tips is also very good for a music producer! thank you for your videos, I've been trying to study pc building for almost a week now! do you have any recommendation for budget gpu?
Great video , as always. As you mentioned , for a combination of photo as well as video editing applications a 3070. I went with a 3070 ti just for the memory speed increase. But I wonder… do you happen to have any information on GDDR6 (14 Gb/s) vs GDDR6X (19 Gb/s) in photo/video applications?
My experience is different. I recently upgraded my gpu to an AMD 6700xt 2ith 12gb ram ("future proof in games", old gpu broken anyways unfortunately) & a new Ryzen 5900x. Well, I did not want to spend additional money for a 8gb Nvidia despite better office application benchmarks. To my surprise: Lightroom is actually using the faster 12gb Vram primarily now, instand of the 64gb "normal" ram! Yes, I made some adjustments as gpu Vram is faster than normal ram. Thus, an 6800xt with 16gb Vram should be of advantage. Of, course performance is soo much better, worlds. Cpu often not eve fully used.
I can't wait to see what you think of the 5800X3D for video editing.... this channel has been great for knowledge, I'm hoping to build a system this year
Sorry but this claim is just wrong. I have personally tested how fast Lightroom will export 1000 photos with one GPU and then I repeated same test with upgraded GPU. The results were insane, 3x - 4x faster. And this result goes up when you turn on multiple tasks exporting big batches of photos. CPU is important but majroty of work is done by GPU.
Just upgraded to 12700 from 3700x, photoshop, affinity programs, hitfilm, clip studio, and blender are so much smoother now. Gpu 3060ti is just mainly for gaming needs. 🙃
Love your videos , but..... Why does Adobe, Puget Systems, etc talk about performance advantages of enabling GPU processing if it all done in CPU as you indicate?? Help, people are confused for a reason. Thx
Yeah, PS 'can' utilize GPU and give performance 'boost' yet the actual real world increase in performance is not as big between RTX 3050 and RTX 3090 for example :)
In current day, I don't totally agree with this. When the new AI denoise came out in Lightroom recently it was taking over 10 minutes for my PC to process (Ryzen 5 3600, 32 GB Ram, Radeon R470). Today I upgraded to a Radeon RX 6600 and it now takes under a minute to run the AI denoise. I do agree that it's probably not worth getting a high end video card though.
Photography is a hobby of mine and while I have the latest basic Z1 G9 with i7 HP workstation and a M1 macmini,I also have a 2014 HP a500 with AMD 8 cpu that runs Lightroom,Photoshop and Affinity programs just fine,all without additional gpu.
A benchmark might not change but having even a low end Quadro or GeForce card enables hardware acceleration in Lightroom Classic that makes a difference when using the program (zooming, making adjustments etc). This doesn’t show up much in a benchmark. I agree that overspending in this area, particularly at the moment, doesn’t make much sense. I went Ryzen 5950x and a Quadro RTX 4000 for Lightroom and it performs brilliantly.
Yeah, PS 'can' utilize GPU and give performance 'boost' yet the actual real world increase in performance is not as big between RTX 3050 and RTX 3090 for example :)
hello, thanks for the great videos. I saw you started putting different languages in the subtitles. excellent initiative, in the next videos you could always have all the subtitles added also in Italian. thank you!
Hi. I work mainly in photography but I only want to do some 4K videos. Which laptop (or which processor) do you recommend, up to 1500 euros, for 2022? Thanks.
My laptop with R5 5600H with igpu was actually slightly faster importing and exporting than my desktop R5 3600 with RX6600, which means cpu is more important for editing photos. Oh, and on the pc i've had 32gb ram instead of 16gb laptop minus the igpu that takes some of that.
I edit wedding photos. All I need is a picture, which is why I lean towards Intel. Intel integrated graphics works just fine. Fast clock speed is important. I don't think photo editing programs really use more than 8 cores even when exporting a lot of photos. A Threadripper is lighting your money on fire. A Ryzen 5 will work just as well. I have a 10400 and it works just fine, but on my next computer I will use a 13700k. A lot of RAM is important. Technically the software that I use will work with 8gb, but I use 32gb and I am told 64gb is better. No photo editing software is hardware accelerated. Photoshop is the only software that I know of that uses a graphics card for anything at all, and only for a few filters, like 3d letters. If you have a 10 bit monitor you might want a newer Invidia graphics card. I think any RTX graphics card will display 10 bit and 20 series graphics cards are 10 bit capable. Newer Nvidia graphics cards are the only ones that display 10 bit, unless you want to spring for a Quatro. AMD or Intel will not display 10 bit. I do not have a 10 bit monitor, so I do not know for sure.
Does this still hold with the introduction of AI-powered features many of which are done locally - like the Neural Filter Depth Blur, or pretty much all of Topaz AI suite / Luminar AI etc ? I'm looking to get a new desktop and I use these every day
I am confused Between MSI 3090 and MSI 4080 My computer processor core i9 Memory DDR5 64GB I edit videos on Premiere Pro What is your advice on which card should I choose? Thank you
This information is true for the time it was made. But today with so many AI tools being used, a quality GPU is mandatory. I went from an old RX 580 and upgraded to a RX 6700-XT (probably overkill) and omg it was unbelievable how much better the AI performance was. So if you are just doing regular editing, this video is 100% true. But if you use things like Topaz, Generative Fill, LR Denoise AI, etc... then a good to really good GPU will better serve you than a cheap one.
I build my first pc with i712700kf, z690 mobo, 32 gb ddr4, and 2 nvme ssds... and a 1080. Lol obvious bottleneck in my rig but I use it for photography 95% of the time so I felt like it was the right choice. I feel like that's justified here 😂
Thanks for saving me lots of Euros which I will put into more storage and not into a GPU which i know would be wasted on my build...... love the Channel and the great advice keep up the great work👌
Greetings, please make an updated video on this subject. I do believe things have changed with the denoise additions. From my research, it now matters. LR added AI Denoise which takes about 15 mins per image to render. I am using a laptop with I5 (gen 7) with 16g of ram and onboard video. My workflow is dead now.
good advice...i'm debating from upgrading to from my 9900k to the 12900k. I do all video editing and my pc has a rough time skimming through PP timeline in 4.2.2 10 bit from the A7S and A74 footage..
Thanks for this. I could be wrong, but in August 2023 with LR Denoise AI the situation is drastically different - to a point where an RTX 3080 with 8GB VRAM is supposedly no longer good enough to get very the best performance from Denoise AI. I would get a Mac Mini M2 with 16GB, except I'm annoyed by the slow 256GB SSD. Thanks, Apple, but no.
As far as I know now the two king now of consumer's grade are 12900k and 5950x. Higher more cores = more performance in mult rendering, 12900k has performance core which helps a lot, these are the based on the research I did, it might not be true, but do look for reviews about these
Hello Tech Notice thank you for your video. I do have one question, how come you didn't mention any AMD cards? Are they no good for photo editing with Lightroom Classic? Have you tried Lightroom new Denoise/Enhance feature? I hear that AMD cards are really really good. What is your input, or anyone else's on that for specific LR functions such as Denoise/Enhance? The reason why I ask is because I have a Ryzen 3900X system. I am NOT an expert at these sort of stuff and I need a lot of help please I have no clue as to what I should get if NVIDIA or AMD and which model it is so confusing to me. I need help from people that have actually tested both NVIDIA and AMD I have read a LOT of stuff out there but they are all assumptions and guesses as to which one is best for LR Classic yet no one has real numbers as to which one finishes the job first and in how many seconds. I was looking at a RX6800 but I really don't have a clue what they do or what they don't do when it comes down to this particular LR Classic application. Thank you I will really appreciate the help.
I got a question. So i edit large amounts of pictures, any where from 3000 to 20000 pictures. One of my SSD is running at 42C. What can I do to get this temperature down or do i need to upgrade something?
Hello. This specs, editing lots of photos in Lightroom and Photoshop, is this okay? Thankyou MSI Thin 15 B13UCX-2233PH INTEL CORE I7-13620H , GEFORCE RTX 2050 4GB , 15.6 FHD
hi i am planning to build a decent not so expensive under 1k PC for my gf. She's a photographer and does alot of photo lightroom edits and sometimes video. can someone list be a build?
My professional work flow includes batch processing about 400 images run throw topaz denoise as a plugin in lightroom. Do you think that would take advantage of a 3080?
Every.Single.Photographer.On.The.Universe: "But...one of these days, I WILL get into video! Oh, yeah, and how am I going to play games...that I haven't played in ten years!" And by "every single photographer", I mean, me, so...yeah.
haha, if gaming is still a 'want' then up your GPU abit, but if photo editing performance is the main thing then first priority should be CPU performance. :)
I have a question. I have built a new system with an i9-12900K and 1080ti. What is the relationship between the DP on the graphics card and the HDMI from the IGPU? If I use the HDMI output from the iGPU, does the CPU access the graphics card when needed? Thanks in advance.
Im completely new to this i have a 1200 budget im only using photoshop, adobe illustrator, and little bit of video editing but nothing Crazy ..what recommendations would anyone have??
i5 - 4570 16 gb ram 500 gb ssd HD graphics 4600 and Quadro K1200 Didn't really notice much of a boost in photoshop unless using Boris FX Optics or Topaz Labs Photo AI. It's aight, it works just fine. Haven't tested in After Effects yet though
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It's a breath of fresh air to find a yt pc chanel that focuses on creators, not just on gaming. It's actually amazing for me to see just how much grown man use their computer only for gaming.. Nevermind, thanx for the tips, it helped me in buying my new computer a lot. Greets from Croatia.
Please turn off that annoying background music so we can focus on what you are saying.
Yes
It was true until ai features are being rolled out. Image Denoise with AI feature is GREATLY enhanced by a modern Graphic Card, What takes 5/10 seconds per picture with a rtx3070 is taking up to a minute with the integrated graphic.
Both Lightroom Classic and Photoshop use the GPU rather than CPU if you check the "Performance" settings. Secondly it is better for many of us to use more practical measurements than a benchmarking software. I can see significant improvement in processing times with a better GPU. Going from a 5600XT to a 3060, my results were three times better.
yes! But mostly because NVIDIA supports CUDA and AMD not.
Things changed with the appearance of AI denoise and other ai demanding tools in Photoshop 2023. It would be interesting to see an updated video about GPU influence on these AI dependent tools.
if that case why does lightroom classic say my photo that is 61.5 MB should take 20mins for AI Denoise in lightroom classic
@@chrislognshot AI Denoise is extremely dependent on GPU. If it takes you 20 min, then you either have an old and weak discrete graphic card or an integrated graphics
I would also like to know.
A Video for that would blow up good :)
let's try lens blur fitur in raw plugin PS 2024 , and yes, you want to buy good GPU...
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An extremely helpful video for all of us who are wondering if the graphics card really matters in Photoshop!! Years ago Adobe advertised a special "engine" within Photoshop (I think they called it "Mercury") that would harness the GTX 470 to shift some processing loads from the CPU to that graphics card. Photoshop still says it connects to my current GTX 1070ti to aid in processing, but turning that off seems to make no significant difference. Please continue to remember us photographers as you offer such wisdom! Thanks!
yeah, in theory PS can utilize the GPU performance in certain tasks, but the difference between the best and the worst GPU is not as big :)
Ive got an Intel 12900K and a RTX3050. Because it lacks the flash seen on some gaming rigs, I felt silly having this lower end card paired with that CPU. Now, I see that it is more than I'll ever need for my photo editing. Thanks for calming my "gotta have it" brain. 👍
oh, for photo editing, you've gone the right route! :)
As of today all the latest photo editing programs used video cards for processing.
One notable exception to this will be the use of DXO's Deep PRIME de-noise, which is used in either DXO PureRaw or DXO PhotoLab. It typically shows an increase of at least 2x on a GPU compared to a CPU, even with older mid-range GPU and mid-range CPU. For example, I have a Geforce GTX 1050Ti which processes a large 100MPixel file in 48 seconds, compared to my CPU (Intel I5-10400F - yeah should have got the non-F) taking 112 seconds. Other people show much larger increases, and over 10x increase has been reported.
Other de-noise tech may also use GPU acceleration, not sure about increases they show, maybe there are benchmarks out there.
100% correct - now (late 2023) even more applications are utilising the GPU and nvidia even has native optimisations in their software. I use DxO and no contest btw RTX gpu (winner) and the mb gpu. For any skeptics out there checkout the discussions on the DxO user forum.
I put an rx550 4gb in my computer and it halved the amount of time to convert a jpg from raw in DPP4, not bad for a $40 card.
I believe Capture One and Darktable make use of a dedicated GPU (especially Nvidia), but I don't think Adobe products do the same. There is a big benefit to having a dedicated GPU when using Topaz software. My workflow is a mix of various software for photo and video editing, so I am in the process of building a new i9-12900k system that will have an Nvidia RTX 3080 ti and 64GB of DDR4. One thing to consider is that even if a program can make use of a high-end CPU or graphics card, the code might not be well-optimized and the user experience might fall below expectations.
Agree with this for apps like Capture One. I upgraded to a 3080 from a 3070 and my export time for 200 1DX Mark II CR2 files went from 2 minutes to a 1 minute and 30 seconds. Generating previews also saw a similar speed increase. A fast GPU can really speed things up for workflows that regularly deals with high volumes of RAW files.
great point, im looking for a laptop that can handle the gigapixel software and wanted to know what should i have to get a good to really fast image processed within a couple of seconds?thnaks
Thank you for this video. I never see stuff like focused at photographers. Just found your channel and subbed. Love it!
Welcome!
I use PS and Camera Raw to edit photos, zero video editing. I did my first ever computer build last year after watching you build an ASUS ProArt B550 system. I used an AMD Ryzen 5 5600X, two Sabrent Rockets, and 32GB of RAM. Hardly any GPUs were available and since I only edit photos I didn't think I needed a great one. I installed an Nvidia GeForce GTX1650. The result is that I edit photos blazingly fast. Convert all my NEFs to DNGs, works great. And watching your video putting a system together helped so much.
Hi. I am using AMD Ryzen 5 5600X + Msi 1660 TI. Samsung 980 Series MZ-V8V500B/AM PCIe Gen3. X4 NVMe 500 gigs + WD_Black SN750 500 Go NVMe Interne Gaming SSD 500 gigs.
Plz dont try Lightroom denoise or topaz photo ai
At 04:25 you're speaking my language! This is where I need maximum performance, and when I need something dependable and fast. I process 400 images in a batch. Exporting images from RAW editing to Photoshop and then saving the files. Time is $$$ and optimizing this function is a time saver. I do video and stills as part of multimedia presentations. How much of a difference is there between the 3060 and the 3060 ti? I have the 3060. Thank you. :)
Another interesting video. If I shoot in RAW I convert to DNG as my old version of Photoshop can't handle Canon CR2 files and the comments about core performance were useful as this is a slow process with lots of files. My basic understanding of GPU's is that they're used for crypto mining, video editing, gaming, driving multiple screens. Anything else? If your CPU has an iGPU how is the workload shared between the iGPU and the GPU? From your previous videos it seems that a good GPU is more important if you edit with DaVinci Resolve as opposed to other programs. Is this right? I'd already figured out that a GPU wasn't really necessary for photo editing, but necessary for video editing. You're making some great videos. From almost zero knowledge of PC's a month or two ago, I've learnt a lot from your channel!
DNG uses a lot of RAM and a strong CPU. A lot of cores works well.
This is most helpful. I wish I had this knowledge when I built my first PC for mixed workflows and light gaming just last year. However, I am now more prepared to make better budgeting decisions when I do build again in the future. Thanks for sharing!
I wish I'd seen this video a month ago. Nope, I watched about a hundred videos, and did a whole whack of reading, and comparing, and shopping. Now I have a pile of parts just waiting to go together, and I probably spend waaay toooo much money. Yes, I'm a photographer, and no, I don't game at all! I can console myself a little though, because I am also getting into video production and I think (I hope) the dedicated graphics card I purchased will provide some benefit on that side of things. On the plus side, I have a computer to start building, and no matter how you slice it, that will be fun. It's my first new computer build in about nine years, so my old one was definitely getting long in the tooth. Thanks for the informative video.
I think Capture One (very professional software) makes a good use of Open CL (Cuda cores). It would be very interesting if you could test this one.
I would love to hear your thoughts on workstation specific gpu’s or photo/video creators! I’m thinking AMD Radeon Pro W6600 etc, etc… and how they compare in the real world to gaming gpu’s.
Officially Lightroom support GPUs and depends of GPU kinds offers full or partitional acceleration. Its actually helps processing big files for panoramas etc, but at least my graphic card sometimes working unstable and cause Lightroom crash ,so usually I keep "GPU Acceleration" option disabled. Capture One using OpenCL libraries and working stable ,but OpenCL initialization process takes some minuts, starting sometimes with software start and annoying.Agree with you ,for photography fast CPU and more memory is the best option so far.
The amount of money I've seen people waste on GPU that they'll never use is obscene.
This is an old video but helpful. I just mainly work on photos. Thank you!
Working with photographers for years. Their main thing requirement has always been storage.
With the advent of cloud storage some of that has changed. But fast storage has always been the requirement of those folks.
Great video on this topic. Though being 2022 as a photographer there is no escape from video editing. From RUclips to Sales packages including video to land a client. Your assessment is spot on as photos alone but if there is to be any advancement in marketing better invest in that high end card to be prepared when the time comes.
Dude, I have a little 1660 Super for my work PC and that thing NEVER even has load on it. MAYBE when I export in Pr, the fans will kick on for like a little bit.
Most likely you didn't activate hardware acceleration in Lightroom Preferences. Using my procesors video it took forever to export 500 photos. I added an RTX 2060 S and in Lightroom Preferences I verified that hardware aceleration was now on my RTX and not internal Intel it took only a few minutes to export them. Varify that Hardware Acceleration is sctivated and also the Full Acceleration checkmark below is checked. Then do the Benchmark.
Great video! I have a question: Why haven't you also recommended Workstation Cards to your audience? I lucked out: I do Pro Photography as a second/side job, and more and more video is being demanded say, for Event Photography, so thinking of cards that specialize in rendering, last Jan '21 I bought a PNY (Nvdia) Quadro RTX4000 for what I was crazy-expensive at the time ($900)... since then the 30 series cards have just EXPLODED in price, even my card many places goes for up to $1100 - but that's far less than the top-end Nvdia cards; the difference I spent in maxing out my RAM (128GB Corsair Vengeance RGB RT), and got a 5900X and OC'd it to 4.5Ghz, instead of paying $200 more for the 5950X... The combo easily plays back, edits and renders my Sony A1 8K video files)... I think I have a 'best of both worlds' scenario in buying a less flashy video card and below-the-top processor, but spending more on the ram and getting great performance.
UHD 730 and 770 would be better in editing video files😅 But renders would take longer
This is good video but for folks that are still watching this in 2023/2024 and beyond: AI models (from ACR, Lightroom, Topaz, and so on, there are now zillion of them) use GPU a lot, and many of them actually require good GPU to even run.
Yeah this video didnt age well. I hate to be the one to say it but sure this used to get us by and used to be pretty good info for old programs, however about 6 months back AI really hit the editing world. Denoising, ai sharpening, virtual blurs, it would take me 20-30 minutes just to render 1 single photo and my pc sounded like it was climbing Mt Everest. I just couldn't feasably maintain deadlines with this huge road block that presented itself. So i broke down, installed an rtx 4080 and now things that require denoise or topaz get blasted out in seconds.
Tldr, if your a photographer that doesnt do a lot of editing, doesnt use a lot of ai programs a gpu is just a super expensive paperweight. But if you do use many of the new ai tools at our disposal, you're hindering your workflow tremensously by not having a good gpu. Ultimately you'll need to decide if its worth it for your specific photography needs, but its no longer a good rule of thumb that gpu's are a waste of money for all of us
this is usually what photographers ask on facebook groups !
i have an old setup with i5 3rd generation, and it confirms what i know, with enough or ram and an ssd for system, programs and catalog, it still works fine with lr&ps
it will be interresting to get same kind of advice with the next generation of amd processors
thanks
This is my current setup atm i am an automotive graphics designer/motion gfx artist/ video editor and part time gamer😂
btw this was my first setup was an optiplex 3050 had an i5 6400 only 8gb ramsticks, gt710 gpu it wasn't the best but it did its job to design graphics had that for 3 years now...
most games i play are gta5,assetto corsa,carxdrift racing,fs19/22
this computer was built 3 weeks ago
specs to my new computer:
case: lian li 011 dynamic razer edition
motherboard : rog strix b550-f
ram: corsair 64gb ram (16gb ram sticks)
cpu: ryzen 7 5800x
gpu: gigabyte rtx3060 elite (12gb 3x fans)
aio: corsair h150i (360m)
fans: corsair ll120 black
psu: evga 850w
storage 1: baracuda 4tb hdd
storage 2: samsung 970 ssd
storage 3: seagate 2tb external
storage4: seagate 1tb external
Bro if as you say dont need GPU for photographers, but just in case, jump on 3060ti, perhaps even better can get used 1070ti which is 2 gens behind however can encode/decode same formats (except AV1) and cost less than $100 used used, its overkill for photo editing.
I'm building a PC for my mom who is a photographer and GPU didn't even cross my mind and I'm glad this guy confirmed my suspicions. SPEND THE MONEY ON FAST SSD'S MULTIPLES AND SET THEM IN RAID 1 FOR RELIABILITY AND ENDLESS STORAGE INSTEAD
DXO Deep Prime XD and similar AI noise reduction tools use the GPU to create the export file. A base card like a RX6600 can take 30 seconds to create the exported file whereby a higher end / newer one can take 5 seconds. For someone like me working with 500 photos or more per day increasing productivity fivefold or more is beneficial.
You don't even mention the whole SD card slot situation, shouldn't getting that added, and making sure you have a case that can take one be important? I've never built so these are all things I'm wondering about. (although I'm also coming at it from the perspective of video editing not just photos)
It's like people don't read the system requirements that every software developer provides. And many provide a minimum and recommended so you can make a sound choice.
Thanks! Great... This was exactly what I needed
What is the best spec balanced for photoshop - blender and Da Vinci ? I understand is more of power ask with those software
I just found you not to long ago but since then I have saved several of your episodes and liked all of them thanks for doing what you do
I think this tips is also very good for a music producer! thank you for your videos, I've been trying to study pc building for almost a week now! do you have any recommendation for budget gpu?
Rtx 3050 ;)
Great video , as always.
As you mentioned , for a combination of photo as well as video editing applications a 3070. I went with a 3070 ti just for the memory speed increase.
But I wonder… do you happen to have any information on GDDR6 (14 Gb/s) vs GDDR6X (19 Gb/s) in photo/video applications?
Not a ton of difference:)
My experience is different. I recently upgraded my gpu to an AMD 6700xt 2ith 12gb ram ("future proof in games", old gpu broken anyways unfortunately) & a new Ryzen 5900x. Well, I did not want to spend additional money for a 8gb Nvidia despite better office application benchmarks. To my surprise: Lightroom is actually using the faster 12gb Vram primarily now, instand of the 64gb "normal" ram! Yes, I made some adjustments as gpu Vram is faster than normal ram. Thus, an 6800xt with 16gb Vram should be of advantage. Of, course performance is soo much better, worlds. Cpu often not eve fully used.
I can't wait to see what you think of the 5800X3D for video editing.... this channel has been great for knowledge, I'm hoping to build a system this year
We shall see :)
Sorry but this claim is just wrong. I have personally tested how fast Lightroom will export 1000 photos with one GPU and then I repeated same test with upgraded GPU.
The results were insane, 3x - 4x faster. And this result goes up when you turn on multiple tasks exporting big batches of photos.
CPU is important but majroty of work is done by GPU.
Just upgraded to 12700 from 3700x, photoshop, affinity programs, hitfilm, clip studio, and blender are so much smoother now. Gpu 3060ti is just mainly for gaming needs. 🙃
Love your videos , but..... Why does Adobe, Puget Systems, etc talk about performance advantages of enabling GPU processing if it all done in CPU as you indicate?? Help, people are confused for a reason. Thx
Yeah, PS 'can' utilize GPU and give performance 'boost' yet the actual real world increase in performance is not as big between RTX 3050 and RTX 3090 for example :)
In current day, I don't totally agree with this. When the new AI denoise came out in Lightroom recently it was taking over 10 minutes for my PC to process (Ryzen 5 3600, 32 GB Ram, Radeon R470). Today I upgraded to a Radeon RX 6600 and it now takes under a minute to run the AI denoise. I do agree that it's probably not worth getting a high end video card though.
Thanks for the video!
Photography is a hobby of mine and while I have the latest basic Z1 G9 with i7 HP workstation and a M1 macmini,I also have a 2014 HP a500 with AMD 8 cpu that runs Lightroom,Photoshop and Affinity programs just fine,all without additional gpu.
A benchmark might not change but having even a low end Quadro or GeForce card enables hardware acceleration in Lightroom Classic that makes a difference when using the program (zooming, making adjustments etc). This doesn’t show up much in a benchmark. I agree that overspending in this area, particularly at the moment, doesn’t make much sense. I went Ryzen 5950x and a Quadro RTX 4000 for Lightroom and it performs brilliantly.
Yeah, PS 'can' utilize GPU and give performance 'boost' yet the actual real world increase in performance is not as big between RTX 3050 and RTX 3090 for example :)
The 3060ti on amazon costs 800 and at my local computer shop a 3070ti ( which theres like 30 in stock for 3 different models) costs 980 and 960
hello, thanks for the great videos. I saw you started putting different languages in the subtitles. excellent initiative, in the next videos you could always have all the subtitles added also in Italian. thank you!
Tbh this video seems a bit useful since I think a benchmark doesn't reflect what a GPU tends to do in photo editing software.
You are a rockstar. Thank you for the great tip.
100 % agree here. The 3060 has 12GB Gddr, and is crazy fast. That said, some tools like Topaz really do benefit from GPU acceleration..
Hi. I work mainly in photography but I only want to do some 4K videos. Which laptop (or which processor) do you recommend, up to 1500 euros, for 2022? Thanks.
Macbook Pro M1 or MBA m1 :)
My laptop with R5 5600H with igpu was actually slightly faster importing and exporting than my desktop R5 3600 with RX6600, which means cpu is more important for editing photos. Oh, and on the pc i've had 32gb ram instead of 16gb laptop minus the igpu that takes some of that.
I edit wedding photos. All I need is a picture, which is why I lean towards Intel. Intel integrated graphics works just fine. Fast clock speed is important. I don't think photo editing programs really use more than 8 cores even when exporting a lot of photos. A Threadripper is lighting your money on fire. A Ryzen 5 will work just as well. I have a 10400 and it works just fine, but on my next computer I will use a 13700k. A lot of RAM is important. Technically the software that I use will work with 8gb, but I use 32gb and I am told 64gb is better. No photo editing software is hardware accelerated. Photoshop is the only software that I know of that uses a graphics card for anything at all, and only for a few filters, like 3d letters. If you have a 10 bit monitor you might want a newer Invidia graphics card. I think any RTX graphics card will display 10 bit and 20 series graphics cards are 10 bit capable. Newer Nvidia graphics cards are the only ones that display 10 bit, unless you want to spring for a Quatro. AMD or Intel will not display 10 bit. I do not have a 10 bit monitor, so I do not know for sure.
Great video.
Which is better I have 2 option i5 12400 vs 5700g?
What budget cooler to pair with 12700k
Arctic Freezer 34 Esports duo.
@@theTechNotice I believe a Mugen 5 will work as well.
I think it is out of date information, because now lightroom use full gpu support.
So update wideo would be great
Does this still hold with the introduction of AI-powered features many of which are done locally - like the Neural Filter Depth Blur, or pretty much all of Topaz AI suite / Luminar AI etc ? I'm looking to get a new desktop and I use these every day
They buy this high end GPU is not only for photo processing, but also GAMING, and that is more important, which is important in "work-life balance"!
Brother, you ignored that software such as Photoshop / capture one has the option to turn on hardware acceleration for independent GPU!
Yes, but the difference between rtx 3090 and rtx 3050 is not as much as you think :)
I am confused Between MSI 3090 and MSI 4080
My computer processor core i9
Memory DDR5 64GB
I edit videos on Premiere Pro
What is your advice on which card should I choose?
Thank you
What about Quadros? Are they not tailored to photographers or maybe not?
For now, editting on Lightroom or Photoshop has some features with AI supported
Do we need GPU in those cases?
Puget Systems has extensive testing on this topic - I suggest anyone go there if you work in content creation.
This information is true for the time it was made. But today with so many AI tools being used, a quality GPU is mandatory. I went from an old RX 580 and upgraded to a RX 6700-XT (probably overkill) and omg it was unbelievable how much better the AI performance was. So if you are just doing regular editing, this video is 100% true. But if you use things like Topaz, Generative Fill, LR Denoise AI, etc... then a good to really good GPU will better serve you than a cheap one.
With the latest Lightroom you need a grunty GPU to run denoise. 3060Ti is probably a minimum.
I build my first pc with i712700kf, z690 mobo, 32 gb ddr4, and 2 nvme ssds... and a 1080. Lol obvious bottleneck in my rig but I use it for photography 95% of the time so I felt like it was the right choice. I feel like that's justified here 😂
after seeing this im thinking of getting the minisforum EM680, its tiny and basic, 6800u + 32gb ram
Food for thought. Thanks
Thank You! I only do some Photo Editing, No videos or Gaming. Ill see if theres a 3060 on special 😂.
Is this true for a triple monitor 4K setup? I don't think so....
Kindly make a video on What is benchmark? How to identity the setup is good or not
Thanks for saving me lots of Euros which I will put into more storage and not into a GPU which i know would be wasted on my build...... love the Channel and the great advice keep up the great work👌
Greetings, please make an updated video on this subject. I do believe things have changed with the denoise additions. From my research, it now matters. LR added AI Denoise which takes about 15 mins per image to render. I am using a laptop with I5 (gen 7) with 16g of ram and onboard video. My workflow is dead now.
good advice...i'm debating from upgrading to from my 9900k to the 12900k. I do all video editing and my pc has a rough time skimming through PP timeline in 4.2.2 10 bit from the A7S and A74 footage..
Thanks for this. I could be wrong, but in August 2023 with LR Denoise AI the situation is drastically different - to a point where an RTX 3080 with 8GB VRAM is supposedly no longer good enough to get very the best performance from Denoise AI. I would get a Mac Mini M2 with 16GB, except I'm annoyed by the slow 256GB SSD. Thanks, Apple, but no.
So I installed the new ps today. And ps literally told me that my graphics card is not compatible with all the functions. So there's that
What components are essential/best to be able to animate in aftereffects?
As far as I know now the two king now of consumer's grade are 12900k and 5950x. Higher more cores = more performance in mult rendering, 12900k has performance core which helps a lot, these are the based on the research I did, it might not be true, but do look for reviews about these
Hello Tech Notice thank you for your video. I do have one question, how come you didn't mention any AMD cards? Are they no good for photo editing with Lightroom Classic? Have you tried Lightroom new Denoise/Enhance feature? I hear that AMD cards are really really good. What is your input, or anyone else's on that for specific LR functions such as Denoise/Enhance? The reason why I ask is because I have a Ryzen 3900X system. I am NOT an expert at these sort of stuff and I need a lot of help please I have no clue as to what I should get if NVIDIA or AMD and which model it is so confusing to me. I need help from people that have actually tested both NVIDIA and AMD I have read a LOT of stuff out there but they are all assumptions and guesses as to which one is best for LR Classic yet no one has real numbers as to which one finishes the job first and in how many seconds. I was looking at a RX6800 but I really don't have a clue what they do or what they don't do when it comes down to this particular LR Classic application. Thank you I will really appreciate the help.
I got a question. So i edit large amounts of pictures, any where from 3000 to 20000 pictures. One of my SSD is running at 42C. What can I do to get this temperature down or do i need to upgrade something?
All the Adobe Camera Raw IA resources today uses gpu acceleration…
Is the artic freezer ii 280 good for cooling the i9 12900k
Ive got a Noctua NH-D15S and my 12900k hasn't even gotten 'warm" yet. Its a big air cooler, but big air coolers are badass. lol. ymmv.
Hello. This specs, editing lots of photos in Lightroom and Photoshop, is this okay? Thankyou
MSI Thin 15 B13UCX-2233PH
INTEL CORE I7-13620H , GEFORCE RTX 2050 4GB , 15.6 FHD
Better channel than @Pixovert. The other guy just slaps in the most expensive stuff without proof..
hi i am planning to build a decent not so expensive under 1k PC for my gf. She's a photographer and does alot of photo lightroom edits and sometimes video. can someone list be a build?
My professional work flow includes batch processing about 400 images run throw topaz denoise as a plugin in lightroom. Do you think that would take advantage of a 3080?
Every.Single.Photographer.On.The.Universe: "But...one of these days, I WILL get into video! Oh, yeah, and how am I going to play games...that I haven't played in ten years!"
And by "every single photographer", I mean, me, so...yeah.
haha, if gaming is still a 'want' then up your GPU abit, but if photo editing performance is the main thing then first priority should be CPU performance. :)
Buy a good GPU. Topaz denoise, and Adobe generative AI all use the GPU. The demand will continue to increase as ai increases.
I have a question. I have built a new system with an i9-12900K and 1080ti. What is the relationship between the DP on the graphics card and the HDMI from the IGPU? If I use the HDMI output from the iGPU, does the CPU access the graphics card when needed? Thanks in advance.
Does an Intel get its integrated chips from AMD
Im completely new to this i have a 1200 budget im only using photoshop, adobe illustrator, and little bit of video editing but nothing Crazy ..what recommendations would anyone have??
Thank you.
i5 - 4570 16 gb ram 500 gb ssd HD graphics 4600 and Quadro K1200
Didn't really notice much of a boost in photoshop unless using Boris FX Optics or Topaz Labs Photo AI. It's aight, it works just fine. Haven't tested in After Effects yet though
Ty very helped
Camera RAW requires GPU
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