Curse of Peladon?? Really? Wow, love that story. The rest are spot on. Time and the Rani is staggeringly dreadful. It makes Twin Dilemma look like Blink.
For me I love the Pure Historicals and I wish they'd bring them back, don't mind Silver Nemesis and Timelash and the Time Monster is my favourite 3rd Doctor story.
I was on a roll once, I was watching loads of new classic stories every week. I watched underworld, after it finished I didn’t watch classic who for a good 6 months. Just killed my love for a bit lmao. So that’s definitely top 10.
I love Silver Nemesis because how much it feels like a goofy violent direct-to-video anime from the late 80s -- a four-way conflict between the Doctor, neo-nazis, the cybermen, and a 17th century noblewoman who has a bow that shoots golden arrows!
I have a soft spot for Silver Nemesis. I remember watching it live on TV as a kid and thinking the Cybermen were really cool. Like these creepy unstoppable Silent (don't remember them talking) killers that ran (They never run) all over the place. So my memory of this story was that it was great. Re watching it as an adult it is nothing like I remember and is a bit crap apart from the end in the hangar - but I still like it for nostalgia reasons.
I didn't mind Time and the Rani as a story, except for all the cheesy and cringy interactions between the Doctor and the Rani pretending to be Mel, especially that annoying spoon-clacking routine Sylvester McCoy was known for. If anyone new to Doctor Who tuned in at that moment and saw that, they must've thought "is THIS why that show is famous?"
Time and the Rani is an embarrassment. It's basically unwatchable panto and at the time explained why people started to abandon the series in their droves. I know things picked up afterwards but this really was classic Who at it lowest point.
Nah, pure historicals are the boss, boss. Crusades, Aztecs, Marco Polo, Myth Makers are the best written, directed and acted Who. The Massacre is flat out the best story (bar that Dodo bollocks at the end) from the whole 60 years of the show. Twin Dilemma is the fucking rotter.
I find it absolutely hilarious that The Caves of Androzani is regarded as one of the absolute best Dr Who stories ever but the very next story The Twin Dilemma is regarded as one of the absolute worst Dr Who stories ever. And The Caves of Androzani is a regeneration story and The Twin Dilemma is a post-regeneration story. LMFAO!!!!!!
And The Doctor is being so selfless in Caves trying to SAVE Peri's life, and in Twin Dilemma he's actually a jerk who tries to kill her - after just saving her life! 😰
I always enjoyed the cliffhangers of The Leisure Hive. My worse is The Twin Dilemma. This was all JNT’s fault, insisting on using the twin actors instead a pair of girls who could actually act, and the ultra crazy performance of the new Doctor.
I quite like the pure historical ones because there isn't some alien trying to destroy/conquer the Earth yet again. Or if they could give the alien something else to do, like Lynx the Sontaran in Time Warrior. He conquered the Earth in the first 5 minutes by planting his flag in the soil, then he did something else.
Wow, putting Leisure Hive on there really pulled my feet from under the rug (sorry, you made me laugh when you said that!). The drunk video idea sounds like a hit!
I'm sorry, but The Visitation was...pretty bad. Apart from the low budget showing very hard, the villains were hyped as being serious business, warriors and war-mongers, and...yeah...short-armed lizard-men who looked like they couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag, and in fact could not. You want a good historical moment with aliens involved in classic Doctor Who, I loved The Chase, where Daleks scare everyone off of the Mary Celeste. Also, the fact that they caused Nero to burn down Rome. That was hilarious.
Okay these are my thoughts on the stories you mentioned: Pure Historicals - usually I like them. I find the Aztecs fantastic Timelash - agreed, god awful The Power Of Kroll - disagree, I enjoy it Silver Nemesis - agree, it’s crap Curse Of Peladon- agree, it’s boring, although I’d probably not have it in the worst of the worst The Leisure Hive - 100% agree. Tom’s worst Time Flight - haven’t seen it The Time Monster - haven’t seen it The Twin Dilemma - agree, hate it Time And The Rani - my ultimate guilty pleasure, it’s naff but I enjoy it a lot. Not even joking
See, I make regular history and all media into sci-fi by imagining that humans (or their ancestors) had come to Earth from elsewhere. So every movie and TV show is a sci-fi where we are the aliens. Kind of like _Quatermass and the Pit._
You dislike The Romans? The Aztecs? Marco Polo? Also you lose all Dr Who privileges for month for putting Curse on this list. Easily in my top 5 classic stories and will never drop out of that list. Ever. And it was also my absolute favourite classic story for years when I first saw it in 1972 (a wee nipper, age 5). I cannot understand why you don't get it. Great characters, fantastic actually. Wonderful sets and atmosphere. And I loved the story. :) Btw my Dad and his brother still use the term "TomTit" as "code" for a number 2 at the loo.
There's 2 historical I REALLY want to see. I've always been curious about The Myth Makers. And I really want to see The Highlanders mostly because its Jamie's first story and he's my favorite classic companion.
Both Are Great, however unless they miraculously recover them, we probably won't see them for a long time, since it seems like the animations are coming to a halt after abominable snowmen unfortunately
@@karenhall4645 Daleks Master Plan was a long shot anyway. Part of the way they choose what to animate is if it has few characters and locations, and Master Plan is full of characters and different locations.
For me, it’s basically any story with Mel. Even with the good stories she‘s in, I want to claw my own eyes out every time she’s on screen. Also, perhaps coincidentally, I used to actively avoid Colin Baker‘s stories. Now that I have revisited him (after originally watching him back in the 80s), he is much better than I remembered.
When you do a list like this you should really give a brief summary of the plot of the episode that you are taking about before you go into your analysis. I know that I can't always remember what the episode was about just from the title. These were shows that I watched decades ago.
i just watched silver nemesis for the first time ,,, i loved it. but again im a massive fan of sylvester/ace and their dynamic so i would probably love every story they are in. i dont get the hate for silver nemesis though :(
Time & The Rani is weak, but I’m in the rare camp of actually liking it. It’s flawed, but somehow works as the Doctor just regenerated. I was introduced to Doctor Who with Tom Baker as a kid, but I seriously enjoy 6 & 7 above 1, 2, 3, and 5. I know that’s not a popular take.
Time Lash, suffers as Paul Darrow was deliberately overacting as he thought Colin had done that in Blake 7, as Banin the Bold, or something. Not a great outcome for either...
Don't worry about tachyonics - it's not a real thing. It's just made-up "technobabble" by Christopher Bidmead, assuming he didn't get it from some other sci-fi source. (Tachyons are hypothetical particles that can theoretically travel faster than light, but they probably don't exist either.)
From what I understand the main reason that the script of Time and the Rani is so bad is that writers Pip and Jane Baker delivered the script later than required, but just refused to make any of the adjustments incoming script editor Andrew Cartmel wanted, even with added pressure from JNT. As such the script pretty much went into production as was, due to it being so late in the day that there was no chance of getting a replacement script.
I’d choose Brain of Morbius over Leisure Hive honestly! And as for Time Flight, hopefully, they’ll at least bloody update the godawful special effects in it eh???
Gotta say I disagree about Curse Of Peladon, the ‘sequel’ sure, but not this one. I love the romance/subterfuge with Jo, the Hammer House Of Horror style of secret passages with monsters, that fight scene is great, and there are so many aliens it’s like a whole episode set in the Stars Wars Mos Eisley bar. Other than that, sure, I can see your point.
well I like Timelash, Twin Dilemma, Silver Nemesis and Timeflight (Nyssa actually gets quite a big part for once) but I get why people don't like them. Generally speaking I'm not a big fan of pure historicals the gunfighters would be on my list I find it so boring, however I must admit I quite like the Aztecs. I've never been one to care much about the production values for me it just comes down to whether I like a story or not which quite often includes stories that are generally unpopular. I agree Colin Baker is a great Doctor, and like that when you criticised Twin Dilemma you gave context to it as most people try and say that his character is unlikable then I have to explain a regeneration crisis isn't his character. But get your point about it didn't give him the best start in the role.
I think Silver Nemesis is underrated. I like it as a guilty pleasure. However, I think that Paradise Towers is bad. Really bad. I want to like it but it is just too silly in places and set up is bizarre like Mel wants to go swimming so they go to some random, private pool on the top of some pretty standard flats. I respect people who like it but could someone please explain the appeal of this story to me? Happy New Year. Great Video!
I wonder how many of my subscribers thought of me when Power of Kroll showed up on the list. 😂😆. I have well known dislike of it. Pure historicals are up and down for me. I love reign of terror, but don’t care for black orchid.
Nemesis has a phoned in plot, Cybermen killed by gold headed arrows and catapult fired coins, really? Gold is supposed to suffocate them, not cause them to explode. De Flores group is just there to be killed and it is basically Remembrance Of The Cybermen. Some decent bits Lady Peinforte & Richard and Sylvester & Sophie enjoy some unnecessary but well acted downtime scenes together. I really like Time Flight once we get the Master out of his unnecessary/pointless disguise I really like AA and we have a strong Master performance, it’s a great story because of the Master it suffers with production values for the concord showing on set.
Time flight and possibly time of the rani, are guilty pleasures. Time flight has a kind of cheesy so bad it's Good likea camp horror and I never find it boring
My friends and had always loved _Time Flight_ for being so hilariously crap. That was my first thought when I saw this vid listed: "Wonder what they say about Time Flight!" I've read rumors that JNT would often be uninvolved, but other times give detailed lists to writers, telling them to "Write a story with all of these things in it." And that's exactly what I think _Silver Nemesis_ is, a script made directly from his list. I had some forced enjoyment of it as a kid, later soured on it, and now appreciate it mostly as camp. Not unlike season 24, really. When _Twin Dilemma_ came out I was a teenage edgelord so I loved Colin's portrayal of an unlikeable Doctor. Especially because I found Davison's characterization to be kind of dull, so this was a huge shakeup. (Davison also I appreciate more since Big Finish). Worst thing by far for me was the twins themselves, otherwise it wasn't a bad story or production IMO. Eric Saward (script editor) was a middle-aged tryhard trying to make Who grimdark in hopes to appeal to the 2000AD crowd. _Leisure Hive_ I haven't seen in yonks, but I enjoyed it at the time. I had friends in my teens who slept over at each other's houses on Friday nights and watch Doctor Who around noon on Saturdays, when they'd show a whole story. We were completely caught off guard by the new intro! The new vibe and production style were a nice change then. I like that the season has a lot of weirdness, which I though was mostly lacking in later JNT seasons.
I think Time and the Rani is one of McCoy’s best episodes - I hate most of his episodes especially Paradise Towers, Happiness Patrol, Ghost Light and Survival. The Rani is a strong villain, the Tetraps are pretty good monsters and some of the special effects are pretty good like those globe mines. I recall that the Rani's plan was actually pretty interesting too. If the episode had featured Colin Baker as originally intended, I think it would be more fondly remembered.
Glad I'm not the only person bored by Curse of Peladon. But I think Time Flight is generally fun. Professor Hayter is delightfully ill-tempered in the great Dr Who/Blakes 7 tradition of grumpy science experts and the crew of Concorde are having way too much fun. As for Adric, I think dwelling on his loss would have made things worse, not better.
"Tachyonics" is made up, although tachyons are real things. The writer just adopted a scientific buzzword, like they did with dark matter in Planet of Evil.
My Top 10 least favourite would be: 1, The Twin Dilemma 2, The Web Planet 3, The Leisure Hive 4, Time-Flight 5, Underworld 6, The Mark of the Rani 7, Timelash 8, The Power of Kroll 9, The Underwater Menace 10, Silver Nemesis
Great list! For me, the worst of classic who is: Mark of the Rani The invasion of time The Armageddon factor Timelash The masque of Mandragora Silver nemesis Time and the Rani The Leisure hive The dominators Time flight
Time and the Rani is a very weird story. It has some enjoyable moments but they don't add up to even a bearable experience. Yes Time and the Rani is the worst. The only thing that could have been worse would have been if Dimensions in Time was considered canon. In fact Dimensions in Time could be on a list of the worst 10 program to air on television!
Happy New Year 2022 Wingy Media 😊 I’m excited for all the new videos coming out this year and I wish you all the health and happiness in the world! But with that said, have you heard of the news that the Sea Devils will come back in the 13th Doctor era? If so, what are your thoughts on it?
Oh come on Alex! I love the historicals, Timelash, The Power Of Kroll, Silver Nemesis, and The Leisure Hive. I’m being totally serious, these are all favorites. Always fun to see your very opposite opinions.
Just curious, do you include The Gunfighters as a purely historical here because for years I've been told it's the worst classic Who story. Still have not watched it because of that! I personally liked Silver Nemesis but I would not put it real high either.
You're missing out on a treat if you haven't watched The Gunfighters yet because of the reputation a handful of humourless fans gave it over a decade ago. Do yourself a favour and check it out!
I never liked either of the "Peladon" stories but, I did like Alpha Centauri (the talking penis). "The Time Monster" is great but, as you said, until they go to Atlantis. The scene towards the end with The Master grovelling is so cringe and out of character. Overall though, this story for me is a guilty pleasure. I really liked the TARDIS interior on this with the big roundels. Found it amusing that The Master had the same interior too. Can't really disagree with much that you said. "Timelash" was when I stopped recording and just gave up after Part 1. It's absolute shit!
i dont get the hate for silver nemesis what so ever honestly after listening to what you have to say , its not that hard to follow and i think it wouldve suffered from being longer.
What would you say to a Historical episode with no aliens, but a story about having to make sure history went the way we know it, like if the Doctor and companion weren't there, history would change significantly and pose a major threat to the future? I'm not a pure historicals person either, we all know they happen off screen anyway. And I know it's unfair to mention this, but apparently, even if we had it in full, The Space Pirates would still be awful. I also really dislike Silver Nemesis, but then I'm not a fan of the archetypal "'80s" Cybermen from Revenge of the Cybermen to Silver Nemesis. I don't like their voices, those earmuff heads are really stupid and they're just too Human. They just feel like men in suits.
My bottom 12 (list made before watching this video, and I couldn't get the list down to 10....these are stories I will likely never, ever watch again under any circumstances), and in no specific order, kinda. Well it is in order at time of writing but likely to change monthly. 12. Monster of Peladon 11. Silver Nemesis 10. Castrovalva 9. The Mutants 8. Warriors of the Deep 7. Underworld 6. Time and the Rani 5. The Armageddon Factor 4. Warrior's Gate 3. Timelash 2. The Twin Dilemma 1. The Leisure Hive (and although I said my order was somewhat fluid, this one is indeed the worse classic story of all for me, and will never lose the #1 slot of shame)
I unabashedly love the Peladon Stories, so Curse wouldn't be anywhere near the worst for me. Silver Nemesis wouldn't make a top 10 list for me either, and yet I completely agree with all of Wingy's criticisms here: there's too much going on for 3 episodes, it wastes some of that runtime on a jazz performance and a non-royal cameo, and for a 25th anniversary story featuring my favourite doctor and my favourite enemy it's somehow underwhelming. As others have pointed out, pure historicals actually start quite well with Marco Polo and The Aztecs, but it is all downhill from there. You could swap out those stories for any from The Krotons, The Dominators, The Space Pirates, The Mutants, The Sun Makers or about half of the sleep-inducing Davison era.
I find the early historical stories stronger then the science ones with a few expectations on both sides I found myself laughing with the story on audio The Highlanders with Patrick Troughton and would show the biggest contribution to the Troughton era Jamie they are some considerable dark stories in season 3 of Doctor who which all lead to a major Historcial events I was surprised to find curse of peladon in my list it is in my top ten along with these great stories Pryamids Of Mars, City Of death, Curse of Fenric, Enlightenment, the caves of Androzani, masque of mandragiria, The silurians , Ghost Light, Curse of peladon and The Evil Of The Daleks. I am not a big fan around these stories Warrior's Gate, Snakedance, The space pirates, planet of Giants, Delta and the Bannerman, the web planet. only 6 stories. I do like silver nemesis it could of been a four parter, it's too rushed but a find Remberance Of the Daleks a stronger candidate for the 25th anniversary story than silver nemesis was. Time and the Rani , the Twin dielemma and time flight I thought are okay. not great but okay.
I love Colin Baker as the Doctor in classic terms, and I will admit he was written as shit in his Twin Dilemma outing. But regardless of the twins, I did like Mestor as a villain and I liked Azmael as a fellow Time Lord. So Twin Dilemma for me, personally, is not that bad. And I LOVED the extra detail put into the novelization!
Stuff like 'creature from the pit' mark a real low point in terms of script and 'production values', and deserve at least an honourable mention in terms of crapness. The same goes for 'horns of nimon' I think - couldn't finish it. On the other hand 'The time monster' is at least quite well made and IMO silly but at least entertaining.
Creature From The Pit and Horns Of Nimon are top entertainment, the stories that The Time Monster should have been,. They are almost the definition of silly but entertaining. If you didn't finish Horns then you missed out because you missed Soldeed's death scene.
1:31 to be honest I feel the same I never liked the historical storys in Doctor Who primarily because they all take place on earth and I'm not a fan of the earth storms either I mean if they were gonna make a historical story I'd rather it be on a different planet like for example the doctor goes to a alien planet but he goes back in time to the historical part of that planet before it was inhabited by the alien race that lived their or something like I'd like a historical story to be because they have never once done that in doctor who because all the historical stories are always on earth
Have you watched any B&W stories? Surely The Web Planet and The Sensorites both must qualify as some of the most boring episodes ever. Web Planet is an embarrassment, and many fans detest The Gunfighters (although I have a soft spot for it).
If I had to pick the worst from each classic Doctor: Hartnell: The Space Museum Troughton: The Dominators Pertwee: The Time Monster T.Baker: The Invasion of Time Davison: Time Flight C.Baker: The Twin Dilemma McCoy: Time and the Rani Shame you don't like the pure historicals, you need to get hooked on real history! 🤣
All correct except for Invasion Of Time. Swap that for Underworld and I'd agree 100%. Although Space Museum does have Hartnell's brilliant interrogation scene.
In no particular order: Reign of Terror King's Demons Warriors of the Deep Revenge of the Cybermen Planet of Evil Underworld Time-Flight Mark of the Rani Time and the Rani Doctor Who: The Movie Bonus shite: parts 2-4 of An Unearthly Child aka 100,000BC + also, whilst objectively it's one of the best, I hate Genesis with a fking passion (apart from the 4 vs Davros bits)
10 black orchid 9 resurrections of the daleks 8 twin dilemma 7 day of the daleks 6 snakedance 5 time and rani 4 inferno 3 four to doomsday 2 logopolis 1 revenge of the cybermen
Timelash wasn't very good. Only enjoyed seeing Paul Darrow in another role. I think the villain is a weird take on Phantom of the Opera... Agree completely on the Power of Kroll. It is total crap and only have seen it twice and the second was just to listen to the commentary track. I disagree about the Key to Time series. I think it was very good and enjoyable. I enjoyed Silver Nemesis when I first saw it, but when I watched it after many, many years, the silver had tarnished. Curse of Peladon only works because of Jon Pertwee. Arcturus my brother and I called "the Dalek." It was nice that the Ice Warriors had a chance to be good guys. The Leisure Hive was indeed bad on so many levels, and with the music change and the Doctor's costume change is was a harbinger of some awful things to come. The Leisure Hive does have a few things that work. Like the sympathy between Mena and Hardin; when Lalla Ward as Romana saying, "THAT is an act of WAR!" when Pangol orders the Argolan defense to shoot down the Foamasi shuttle; and Peter Howell's blatant stealing of Holst's "Mars: the Bringer of War" for the music as the "soldiers" march out of the "generator." No, you had to bust on Time Flight. It is a guilty pleasure for me. And now with the forced retirement of Concorde, somewhat nostalgic. They definitely glossed right over the heroic death of Adric. The Time Monster is another one of those that seemed much better when I was a teenager when I first saw it. All the junk on Atlantis I found awful, but the interplay with the Doctor & Joy with the Master and the two TARDISes I found to be fun. The Twin Dilemma, I completely agree. And the bloody costume!!! Best thing of the show was Kevin McNally as the guest hero. Colin Baker got a completely raw deal from the producer, the writers, AND the BBC. With Time and the Rani, I agree completely. The interplay with Silvester McCoy and Kate O'Mara masquerading as Mel, was the best bit. I love the scene where the Doctor is going on about how evil the Rani is and Kate O'Mara breaks the fourth wall and say, "I'm overwhelmed." Disagree on the historical ones, I tend to enjoy them, but I am a history buff, so...
I’d LOVE a drunk Who video. I think you should watch Melos or the Gunfighters drunk. As for the worst stories, for me Underworld is my least favorite. It’s so dull and brown. It’s not even nice to look at. I don’t mind that everything is CSO and looks cheap. I hate that it all looks like mud. It’s incredibly boring. Even Tom and Louise look bored. Curse of Peladon us only 4 parts? It felt like it was a longer story. I can understand why you dislike it so much. Krill is dog shit. That’s another story that is incredibly boring and is good for insomnia. The Time Monster made me laugh many times. Yet at the end I found myself struggling to finish it. As to the Tegan and Nyssa not reacting to the death of Adric, you shouldn’t have been that surprised considering how quickly they got over the death of a dear Aunt, father, and whole planet in minutes in Logopolis. 😃
I agree with most of this list I don't enjoy most of the historicals and generally don't revisit them. The exception being "the Romans" which Is a bit of fun Curse of peladon also bores me, I've never understood why it's do highly regarded I have always found time and the Rani to be fun , even though I can see the flaws in it.
1. Anything from Season 17. 2. Time and the Rani 3. Delta and the Bannermen 4. Paradise Towers 5. Time-Flight 6. Four to Doomsday 7. Underworld 8. Terminus 9. Warriors' Gate 10. Snakedance
Curse of Peladon?? Really? Wow, love that story. The rest are spot on.
Time and the Rani is staggeringly dreadful. It makes Twin Dilemma look like Blink.
It is like the fourth story ive ever seen, its so dull and bad.
For me I love the Pure Historicals and I wish they'd bring them back, don't mind Silver Nemesis and Timelash and the Time Monster is my favourite 3rd Doctor story.
I was on a roll once, I was watching loads of new classic stories every week. I watched underworld, after it finished I didn’t watch classic who for a good 6 months. Just killed my love for a bit lmao. So that’s definitely top 10.
Underworld is good for one thing: it will help you fall asleep when you can’t.
Really? I remember liking it when I watched it
I actually really like underworld, it's just the effects that let down an otherwise pretty good script
new classic stories.... uh
@@joeljones8066 probably classic stories the person never watched before
After watching this, I really want to see a Top 10 Doctor Who stories for when you're drunk.
I love Silver Nemesis because how much it feels like a goofy violent direct-to-video anime from the late 80s -- a four-way conflict between the Doctor, neo-nazis, the cybermen, and a 17th century noblewoman who has a bow that shoots golden arrows!
Silver Nemesis could’ve been one of the best if each ep was 45 mins like in season 22 and had time to have all those aspects in and not rush it all
I have a soft spot for Silver Nemesis. I remember watching it live on TV as a kid and thinking the Cybermen were really cool. Like these creepy unstoppable Silent (don't remember them talking) killers that ran (They never run) all over the place. So my memory of this story was that it was great. Re watching it as an adult it is nothing like I remember and is a bit crap apart from the end in the hangar - but I still like it for nostalgia reasons.
I’ve found myself playing and rewatching ‘Time And The Rani’ three times instead of tuning in to watch DW:Flux.
I didn't mind Time and the Rani as a story, except for all the cheesy and cringy interactions between the Doctor and the Rani pretending to be Mel, especially that annoying spoon-clacking routine Sylvester McCoy was known for. If anyone new to Doctor Who tuned in at that moment and saw that, they must've thought "is THIS why that show is famous?"
At least The Leisure Hive has classic Doctor Who's funniest joke.
"You mentioned Foamasi?"
Time and the Rani is an embarrassment. It's basically unwatchable panto and at the time explained why people started to abandon the series in their droves. I know things picked up afterwards but this really was classic Who at it lowest point.
Oh, _no it isn't!_ ;)
I want to see every doctor's first and last story, but from the small excerpts I've seen I have no desire to see Time and the Rani.
What’s embarrassing is that Mark of the Rani is an enjoyable story, and it always gets confused with the crappy one.
Nah, pure historicals are the boss, boss.
Crusades, Aztecs, Marco Polo, Myth Makers are the best written, directed and acted Who. The Massacre is flat out the best story (bar that Dodo bollocks at the end) from the whole 60 years of the show.
Twin Dilemma is the fucking rotter.
I tend to love pure historicals. In fact I'm quite tired of them shoehorning in aliens into historical settings.
I couldn't watch any episode with Bonnie Langford. I'm surprised that she didn't start singing and tap dancing around the tardis.
Might have been preferable to her screaming.
Fun Fact: The Minotaur in _Time Monster_ was David (Dave) Prowse, Mister Darth Vader himself. ;)
thumbnail is Time and The Rani... jumping the gun before watching the video but it's no Twin Dilemma 🤣
Curse is a gem! Other than that, a terrific list.
I find it absolutely hilarious that The Caves of Androzani is regarded as one of the absolute best Dr Who stories ever but the very next story The Twin Dilemma is regarded as one of the absolute worst Dr Who stories ever. And The Caves of Androzani is a regeneration story and The Twin Dilemma is a post-regeneration story. LMFAO!!!!!!
And The Doctor is being so selfless in Caves trying to SAVE Peri's life, and in Twin Dilemma he's actually a jerk who tries to kill her - after just saving her life! 😰
One DWM poll a few years ago of the 200 stories so far, Caves came top and Twin Dilemma came bottom!
@@Morphstock I know! LOL!
I always enjoyed the cliffhangers of The Leisure Hive. My worse is The Twin Dilemma. This was all JNT’s fault, insisting on using the twin actors instead a pair of girls who could actually act, and the ultra crazy performance of the new Doctor.
I quite like the pure historical ones because there isn't some alien trying to destroy/conquer the Earth yet again. Or if they could give the alien something else to do, like Lynx the Sontaran in Time Warrior. He conquered the Earth in the first 5 minutes by planting his flag in the soil, then he did something else.
The best thing about The Time Monster is seeing Jo's pants.
It honestly is 🤣. And her red in day of the Daleks
Wow, putting Leisure Hive on there really pulled my feet from under the rug (sorry, you made me laugh when you said that!).
The drunk video idea sounds like a hit!
Leisure Hive is brilliant
I'm sorry, but The Visitation was...pretty bad. Apart from the low budget showing very hard, the villains were hyped as being serious business, warriors and war-mongers, and...yeah...short-armed lizard-men who looked like they couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag, and in fact could not. You want a good historical moment with aliens involved in classic Doctor Who, I loved The Chase, where Daleks scare everyone off of the Mary Celeste. Also, the fact that they caused Nero to burn down Rome. That was hilarious.
Agree with everything except the historicals, and Curse.
Okay these are my thoughts on the stories you mentioned:
Pure Historicals - usually I like them. I find the Aztecs fantastic
Timelash - agreed, god awful
The Power Of Kroll - disagree, I enjoy it
Silver Nemesis - agree, it’s crap
Curse Of Peladon- agree, it’s boring, although I’d probably not have it in the worst of the worst
The Leisure Hive - 100% agree. Tom’s worst
Time Flight - haven’t seen it
The Time Monster - haven’t seen it
The Twin Dilemma - agree, hate it
Time And The Rani - my ultimate guilty pleasure, it’s naff but I enjoy it a lot. Not even joking
A lot of the worst episodes of Doctor Who have the word ‘Time’ in them.
Happy New Year Wingy!
See, I make regular history and all media into sci-fi by imagining that humans (or their ancestors) had come to Earth from elsewhere. So every movie and TV show is a sci-fi where we are the aliens. Kind of like _Quatermass and the Pit._
You dislike The Romans? The Aztecs? Marco Polo? Also you lose all Dr Who privileges for month for putting Curse on this list. Easily in my top 5 classic stories and will never drop out of that list. Ever. And it was also my absolute favourite classic story for years when I first saw it in 1972 (a wee nipper, age 5). I cannot understand why you don't get it. Great characters, fantastic actually. Wonderful sets and atmosphere. And I loved the story. :) Btw my Dad and his brother still use the term "TomTit" as "code" for a number 2 at the loo.
There's 2 historical I REALLY want to see. I've always been curious about The Myth Makers. And I really want to see The Highlanders mostly because its Jamie's first story and he's my favorite classic companion.
Both Are Great, however unless they miraculously recover them, we probably won't see them for a long time, since it seems like the animations are coming to a halt after abominable snowmen unfortunately
@@rockotarsoldaccount You mean no Daleks Master Plan? 😭
@@karenhall4645 Daleks Master Plan was a long shot anyway. Part of the way they choose what to animate is if it has few characters and locations, and Master Plan is full of characters and different locations.
For me, it’s basically any story with Mel. Even with the good stories she‘s in, I want to claw my own eyes out every time she’s on screen. Also, perhaps coincidentally, I used to actively avoid Colin Baker‘s stories. Now that I have revisited him (after originally watching him back in the 80s), he is much better than I remembered.
How is Delta and the Bannermen not on this list. It’s is by far the absolute worst DW story of the classic era.
When you do a list like this you should really give a brief summary of the plot of the episode that you are taking about before you go into your analysis. I know that I can't always remember what the episode was about just from the title. These were shows that I watched decades ago.
i just watched silver nemesis for the first time ,,, i loved it. but again im a massive fan of sylvester/ace and their dynamic so i would probably love every story they are in. i dont get the hate for silver nemesis though :(
Time & The Rani is weak, but I’m in the rare camp of actually liking it. It’s flawed, but somehow works as the Doctor just regenerated.
I was introduced to Doctor Who with Tom Baker as a kid, but I seriously enjoy 6 & 7 above 1, 2, 3, and 5.
I know that’s not a popular take.
And I DO believe Kate O’mara did a “protest” performance being she & Colin were such great friends.
Compared to Mark of the Rani ESPECIALLY!
Even though I'm trying to collect all the Doctor's regeneration stories, I really don't have any desire to see a story with the Rani.
Leisure Hive, Twin Dilemma and Leisure Hive are actually alright stories.
Time Lash, suffers as Paul Darrow was deliberately overacting as he thought Colin had done that in Blake 7, as Banin the Bold, or something. Not a great outcome for either...
Don't worry about tachyonics - it's not a real thing. It's just made-up "technobabble" by Christopher Bidmead, assuming he didn't get it from some other sci-fi source. (Tachyons are hypothetical particles that can theoretically travel faster than light, but they probably don't exist either.)
From what I understand the main reason that the script of Time and the Rani is so bad is that writers Pip and Jane Baker delivered the script later than required, but just refused to make any of the adjustments incoming script editor Andrew Cartmel wanted, even with added pressure from JNT. As such the script pretty much went into production as was, due to it being so late in the day that there was no chance of getting a replacement script.
I’d choose Brain of Morbius over Leisure Hive honestly!
And as for Time Flight, hopefully, they’ll at least bloody update the godawful special effects in it eh???
Timelash is a guilty pleasure. Paul Darrow hamming it up never gets old.
I'd like to see your favorite Big Finish stories. And I get why people don't like the historicals, but I do myself.
I love the pure historicals, the romans is my all time fav classic who story. Also doesn't time travel count as a sci-fi element?
That’s a good point :)
Yes - meaning they aren't "pure historical"! A paradox!
Gotta say I disagree about Curse Of Peladon, the ‘sequel’ sure, but not this one. I love the romance/subterfuge with Jo, the Hammer House Of Horror style of secret passages with monsters, that fight scene is great, and there are so many aliens it’s like a whole episode set in the Stars Wars Mos Eisley bar. Other than that, sure, I can see your point.
Sadly, I think Paul Darrow hammed up Maylin Tekker as he felt Colin had hammed up being Bayban in City at the Edge of The World.
well I like Timelash, Twin Dilemma, Silver Nemesis and Timeflight (Nyssa actually gets quite a big part for once) but I get why people don't like them. Generally speaking I'm not a big fan of pure historicals the gunfighters would be on my list I find it so boring, however I must admit I quite like the Aztecs. I've never been one to care much about the production values for me it just comes down to whether I like a story or not which quite often includes stories that are generally unpopular. I agree Colin Baker is a great Doctor, and like that when you criticised Twin Dilemma you gave context to it as most people try and say that his character is unlikable then I have to explain a regeneration crisis isn't his character. But get your point about it didn't give him the best start in the role.
Twin dilemma is the worst for me. Probably because its a shitty introduction to a new doctor. Time and the Rani is crap too.
Drunk Who
Please Do
The Time Monster? No way. Love that one.
I think Silver Nemesis is underrated. I like it as a guilty pleasure. However, I think that Paradise Towers is bad. Really bad. I want to like it but it is just too silly in places and set up is bizarre like Mel wants to go swimming so they go to some random, private pool on the top of some pretty standard flats. I respect people who like it but could someone please explain the appeal of this story to me? Happy New Year. Great Video!
I adore Paradise Towers but the scene where Mel actually makes it to the pool is probably the worst one in that story.
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I wanna see watching doctor who drunk feel like it would be so funny(love your content keep it up)
I wonder how many of my subscribers thought of me when Power of Kroll showed up on the list. 😂😆. I have well known dislike of it.
Pure historicals are up and down for me. I love reign of terror, but don’t care for black orchid.
I personally think Timelash is by far Colin's best story, I love it.
What? Why?
I remember enjoying it when I first watched it as well. I don't remember much about the story itself though, just liked the concepts in it.
It’s bad, but it’s such a fun story to watch and laugh in hysterics at.
Nemesis has a phoned in plot, Cybermen killed by gold headed arrows and catapult fired coins, really? Gold is supposed to suffocate them, not cause them to explode. De Flores group is just there to be killed and it is basically Remembrance Of The Cybermen. Some decent bits Lady Peinforte & Richard and Sylvester & Sophie enjoy some unnecessary but well acted downtime scenes together.
I really like Time Flight once we get the Master out of his unnecessary/pointless disguise I really like AA and we have a strong Master performance, it’s a great story because of the Master it suffers with production values for the concord showing on set.
Time flight and possibly time of the rani, are guilty pleasures. Time flight has a kind of cheesy so bad it's Good likea camp horror and I never find it boring
Agree totally about time flight.
I would love for you to start a drunk doctor who watch series, please start that 😂
My friends and had always loved _Time Flight_ for being so hilariously crap. That was my first thought when I saw this vid listed: "Wonder what they say about Time Flight!"
I've read rumors that JNT would often be uninvolved, but other times give detailed lists to writers, telling them to "Write a story with all of these things in it." And that's exactly what I think _Silver Nemesis_ is, a script made directly from his list. I had some forced enjoyment of it as a kid, later soured on it, and now appreciate it mostly as camp. Not unlike season 24, really.
When _Twin Dilemma_ came out I was a teenage edgelord so I loved Colin's portrayal of an unlikeable Doctor. Especially because I found Davison's characterization to be kind of dull, so this was a huge shakeup. (Davison also I appreciate more since Big Finish). Worst thing by far for me was the twins themselves, otherwise it wasn't a bad story or production IMO. Eric Saward (script editor) was a middle-aged tryhard trying to make Who grimdark in hopes to appeal to the 2000AD crowd.
_Leisure Hive_ I haven't seen in yonks, but I enjoyed it at the time. I had friends in my teens who slept over at each other's houses on Friday nights and watch Doctor Who around noon on Saturdays, when they'd show a whole story. We were completely caught off guard by the new intro! The new vibe and production style were a nice change then. I like that the season has a lot of weirdness, which I though was mostly lacking in later JNT seasons.
I think Time and the Rani is one of McCoy’s best episodes - I hate most of his episodes especially Paradise Towers, Happiness Patrol, Ghost Light and Survival. The Rani is a strong villain, the Tetraps are pretty good monsters and some of the special effects are pretty good like those globe mines. I recall that the Rani's plan was actually pretty interesting too. If the episode had featured Colin Baker as originally intended, I think it would be more fondly remembered.
Glad I'm not the only person bored by Curse of Peladon. But I think Time Flight is generally fun. Professor Hayter is delightfully ill-tempered in the great Dr Who/Blakes 7 tradition of grumpy science experts and the crew of Concorde are having way too much fun. As for Adric, I think dwelling on his loss would have made things worse, not better.
"Tachyonics" is made up, although tachyons are real things. The writer just adopted a scientific buzzword, like they did with dark matter in Planet of Evil.
My Top 10 least favourite would be:
1, The Twin Dilemma
2, The Web Planet
3, The Leisure Hive
4, Time-Flight
5, Underworld
6, The Mark of the Rani
7, Timelash
8, The Power of Kroll
9, The Underwater Menace
10, Silver Nemesis
I’d love to see you watch Doctor Who drunk.
Great list!
For me, the worst of classic who is:
Mark of the Rani
The invasion of time
The Armageddon factor
Timelash
The masque of Mandragora
Silver nemesis
Time and the Rani
The Leisure hive
The dominators
Time flight
Time and the Rani is a very weird story. It has some enjoyable moments but they don't add up to even a bearable experience. Yes Time and the Rani is the worst. The only thing that could have been worse would have been if Dimensions in Time was considered canon. In fact Dimensions in Time could be on a list of the worst 10 program to air on television!
You lost me at "I hate pure historicals". Pure historicals are beautiful.
Happy New Year 2022 Wingy Media 😊
I’m excited for all the new videos coming out this year and I wish you all the health and happiness in the world!
But with that said, have you heard of the news that the Sea Devils will come back in the 13th Doctor era? If so, what are your thoughts on it?
Obviously timelash gets a lot of hate, but I'd say Timeflight, Twin Dilemma, Time and the Rani and Fear Her are all worse.
Oh come on Alex! I love the historicals, Timelash, The Power Of Kroll, Silver Nemesis, and The Leisure Hive. I’m being totally serious, these are all favorites. Always fun to see your very opposite opinions.
Yes do that get drunk
Drunk whostory Podcast is starting up. They formed on twitter about a week ago
Just curious, do you include The Gunfighters as a purely historical here because for years I've been told it's the worst classic Who story. Still have not watched it because of that! I personally liked Silver Nemesis but I would not put it real high either.
You're missing out on a treat if you haven't watched The Gunfighters yet because of the reputation a handful of humourless fans gave it over a decade ago. Do yourself a favour and check it out!
@@oliverraven I plan to. I'm soon going to start from the very first episode and watch all the way through to the current!
I never liked either of the "Peladon" stories but, I did like Alpha Centauri (the talking penis). "The Time Monster" is great but, as you said, until they go to Atlantis. The scene towards the end with The Master grovelling is so cringe and out of character. Overall though, this story for me is a guilty pleasure. I really liked the TARDIS interior on this with the big roundels. Found it amusing that The Master had the same interior too. Can't really disagree with much that you said. "Timelash" was when I stopped recording and just gave up after Part 1. It's absolute shit!
I met Colin Baker, too, I had my picture taken with him.
i dont get the hate for silver nemesis what so ever honestly after listening to what you have to say , its not that hard to follow and i think it wouldve suffered from being longer.
Time-Flight was a mistake
What would you say to a Historical episode with no aliens, but a story about having to make sure history went the way we know it, like if the Doctor and companion weren't there, history would change significantly and pose a major threat to the future? I'm not a pure historicals person either, we all know they happen off screen anyway.
And I know it's unfair to mention this, but apparently, even if we had it in full, The Space Pirates would still be awful.
I also really dislike Silver Nemesis, but then I'm not a fan of the archetypal "'80s" Cybermen from Revenge of the Cybermen to Silver Nemesis. I don't like their voices, those earmuff heads are really stupid and they're just too Human. They just feel like men in suits.
My bottom 12 (list made before watching this video, and I couldn't get the list down to 10....these are stories I will likely never, ever watch again under any circumstances), and in no specific order, kinda. Well it is in order at time of writing but likely to change monthly.
12. Monster of Peladon
11. Silver Nemesis
10. Castrovalva
9. The Mutants
8. Warriors of the Deep
7. Underworld
6. Time and the Rani
5. The Armageddon Factor
4. Warrior's Gate
3. Timelash
2. The Twin Dilemma
1. The Leisure Hive (and although I said my order was somewhat fluid, this one is indeed the worse classic story of all for me, and will never lose the #1 slot of shame)
I unabashedly love the Peladon Stories, so Curse wouldn't be anywhere near the worst for me. Silver Nemesis wouldn't make a top 10 list for me either, and yet I completely agree with all of Wingy's criticisms here: there's too much going on for 3 episodes, it wastes some of that runtime on a jazz performance and a non-royal cameo, and for a 25th anniversary story featuring my favourite doctor and my favourite enemy it's somehow underwhelming. As others have pointed out, pure historicals actually start quite well with Marco Polo and The Aztecs, but it is all downhill from there. You could swap out those stories for any from The Krotons, The Dominators, The Space Pirates, The Mutants, The Sun Makers or about half of the sleep-inducing Davison era.
Do it! A drunk watch. Go live and I'll join you! 😃
I find the early historical stories stronger then the science ones with a few expectations on both sides I found myself laughing with the story on audio The Highlanders with Patrick Troughton and would show the biggest contribution to the Troughton era Jamie they are some considerable dark stories in season 3 of Doctor who which all lead to a major Historcial events I was surprised to find curse of peladon in my list it is in my top ten along with these great stories Pryamids Of Mars, City Of death, Curse of Fenric, Enlightenment, the caves of Androzani, masque of mandragiria, The silurians , Ghost Light, Curse of peladon and The Evil Of The Daleks. I am not a big fan around these stories Warrior's Gate, Snakedance, The space pirates, planet of Giants, Delta and the Bannerman, the web planet. only 6 stories. I do like silver nemesis it could of been a four parter, it's too rushed but a find Remberance Of the Daleks a stronger candidate for the 25th anniversary story than silver nemesis was. Time and the Rani , the Twin dielemma and time flight I thought are okay. not great but okay.
I love Colin Baker as the Doctor in classic terms, and I will admit he was written as shit in his Twin Dilemma outing. But regardless of the twins, I did like Mestor as a villain and I liked Azmael as a fellow Time Lord. So Twin Dilemma for me, personally, is not that bad. And I LOVED the extra detail put into the novelization!
I agree with most of your choices for this video. But I would definitely have included Warriors of the Deep and Underworld.
I would take off silver nemesis and replace it with galaxy 4 I agree with the rest off them
Watch Doctor Who drunk, fuckin' do it lad! 😀
Stuff like 'creature from the pit' mark a real low point in terms of script and 'production values', and deserve at least an honourable mention in terms of crapness. The same goes for 'horns of nimon' I think - couldn't finish it.
On the other hand 'The time monster' is at least quite well made and IMO silly but at least entertaining.
Creature From The Pit and Horns Of Nimon are top entertainment, the stories that The Time Monster should have been,. They are almost the definition of silly but entertaining. If you didn't finish Horns then you missed out because you missed Soldeed's death scene.
12:28 the leisure hive really?? I enjoy watching that story
Any opinions on BBC cancelling the animated recreations of lost stories. In my opinion im grateful we got some but its such a shame
I'm going to do a video on it either tomorrow or Saturday
Great video, as always, drunk reactions, yes please!
2:00, I agree the historical ones are kinda shit but the aztecs was the first hartnell story I saw so it holds a special place in my heart
1:31 to be honest I feel the same I never liked the historical storys in Doctor Who primarily because they all take place on earth and I'm not a fan of the earth storms either I mean if they were gonna make a historical story I'd rather it be on a different planet like for example the doctor goes to a alien planet but he goes back in time to the historical part of that planet before it was inhabited by the alien race that lived their or something like I'd like a historical story to be because they have never once done that in doctor who because all the historical stories are always on earth
Have you watched any B&W stories? Surely The Web Planet and The Sensorites both must qualify as some of the most boring episodes ever. Web Planet is an embarrassment, and many fans detest The Gunfighters (although I have a soft spot for it).
Apparently "The Gunfighters" is one of Nicholas Briggs' favourite episodes, but I have no clue that's true or not.
He's implicitly included Gunfighters in his first choice. I think it's OK (no pun intended) ... apart from that song!
If I had to pick the worst from each classic Doctor:
Hartnell: The Space Museum
Troughton: The Dominators
Pertwee: The Time Monster
T.Baker: The Invasion of Time
Davison: Time Flight
C.Baker: The Twin Dilemma
McCoy: Time and the Rani
Shame you don't like the pure historicals, you need to get hooked on real history! 🤣
All correct except for Invasion Of Time. Swap that for Underworld and I'd agree 100%. Although Space Museum does have Hartnell's brilliant interrogation scene.
I called believe you're calling Curse of Peladon bad
In no particular order:
Reign of Terror
King's Demons
Warriors of the Deep
Revenge of the Cybermen
Planet of Evil
Underworld
Time-Flight
Mark of the Rani
Time and the Rani
Doctor Who: The Movie
Bonus shite: parts 2-4 of An Unearthly Child aka 100,000BC + also, whilst objectively it's one of the best, I hate Genesis with a fking passion (apart from the 4 vs Davros bits)
10 black orchid
9 resurrections of the daleks
8 twin dilemma
7 day of the daleks
6 snakedance
5 time and rani
4 inferno
3 four to doomsday
2 logopolis
1 revenge of the cybermen
Timelash wasn't very good. Only enjoyed seeing Paul Darrow in another role. I think the villain is a weird take on Phantom of the Opera... Agree completely on the Power of Kroll. It is total crap and only have seen it twice and the second was just to listen to the commentary track. I disagree about the Key to Time series. I think it was very good and enjoyable. I enjoyed Silver Nemesis when I first saw it, but when I watched it after many, many years, the silver had tarnished. Curse of Peladon only works because of Jon Pertwee. Arcturus my brother and I called "the Dalek." It was nice that the Ice Warriors had a chance to be good guys.
The Leisure Hive was indeed bad on so many levels, and with the music change and the Doctor's costume change is was a harbinger of some awful things to come. The Leisure Hive does have a few things that work. Like the sympathy between Mena and Hardin; when Lalla Ward as Romana saying, "THAT is an act of WAR!" when Pangol orders the Argolan defense to shoot down the Foamasi shuttle; and Peter Howell's blatant stealing of Holst's "Mars: the Bringer of War" for the music as the "soldiers" march out of the "generator."
No, you had to bust on Time Flight. It is a guilty pleasure for me. And now with the forced retirement of Concorde, somewhat nostalgic. They definitely glossed right over the heroic death of Adric. The Time Monster is another one of those that seemed much better when I was a teenager when I first saw it. All the junk on Atlantis I found awful, but the interplay with the Doctor & Joy with the Master and the two TARDISes I found to be fun. The Twin Dilemma, I completely agree. And the bloody costume!!! Best thing of the show was Kevin McNally as the guest hero. Colin Baker got a completely raw deal from the producer, the writers, AND the BBC. With Time and the Rani, I agree completely. The interplay with Silvester McCoy and Kate O'Mara masquerading as Mel, was the best bit. I love the scene where the Doctor is going on about how evil the Rani is and Kate O'Mara breaks the fourth wall and say, "I'm overwhelmed."
Disagree on the historical ones, I tend to enjoy them, but I am a history buff, so...
I’d LOVE a drunk Who video. I think you should watch Melos or the Gunfighters drunk.
As for the worst stories, for me Underworld is my least favorite. It’s so dull and brown. It’s not even nice to look at. I don’t mind that everything is CSO and looks cheap. I hate that it all looks like mud. It’s incredibly boring. Even Tom and Louise look bored.
Curse of Peladon us only 4 parts? It felt like it was a longer story. I can understand why you dislike it so much.
Krill is dog shit. That’s another story that is incredibly boring and is good for insomnia.
The Time Monster made me laugh many times. Yet at the end I found myself struggling to finish it.
As to the Tegan and Nyssa not reacting to the death of Adric, you shouldn’t have been that surprised considering how quickly they got over the death of a dear Aunt, father, and whole planet in minutes in Logopolis. 😃
I agree with most of this list
I don't enjoy most of the historicals and generally don't revisit them. The exception being "the Romans" which Is a bit of fun
Curse of peladon also bores me, I've never understood why it's do highly regarded
I have always found time and the Rani to be fun , even though I can see the flaws in it.
1. Anything from Season 17.
2. Time and the Rani
3. Delta and the Bannermen
4. Paradise Towers
5. Time-Flight
6. Four to Doomsday
7. Underworld
8. Terminus
9. Warriors' Gate
10. Snakedance