Currently Dragon Shield Sleeves is the best for standard size! Fantasy Flight is usually what I use for the other sizes! But might need to try this brand because they look like they have more sizes!
I like Sleeve Kings for a value sleeve option. I am impressed with their quality and durability, and they shuffle well. They are my go to unless I specifically want a thick sleeve for extra protection.
Be a little careful when buying Mayday sleeves, they have 2 VERY different lines. The regular ones are akin to a 'penny' sleeve and are very thin, and in my opinion just hot garbage. The premium line are thicker, and are perfectly serviceable. One nice thing is that they make colored sleeves in board game sizes, whereas most manufacturers only make clear, or only make colored sleeves in standard card size like for MTG.
@@benjaminsessler2677 I get you on the penny sleeve. They are exactly that. BUT, even the cheap, light, slippery sleeve has save more than one card from a deadly spilled drink in my home. I know, "you get what you pay for." I have had to replace more than one from simply wear after only a few plays. But they are also on the front display in nearly every local game store I have ever walked into.
Paladin were the only manufacturer I'd previously seen doing double-matte sleeves where both sides of the sleeve were the same matte material. I went in big on their last kickstart and bought 100 packs but when they arrived it turned out they changed their material without telling anyone and the sides no longer matched. They were more like the Dragon Shield Non Glare range with a rough textured matte on one side and smooth matte on the other. They basically screwed over all the people who had half their collection already sleeved in their previous iteration of double-matte sleeves. After that I'm very wary of new entries to the market. These could be the only company making double-matte sleeves now but who knows if they'll keep the range going in years to come.
I love the sleeve kings ones, they are cheap, come in big number packs and are a great thickness for my taste, so I got them for all my games and have the leftovers to start sleeving expansion or extra stuff.
Hey Zee, really enjoyed the video! Would love to see more videos about accessories like this. Was wondering if you've ever tried Dragon Shield sleeves and if so your thoughts compared to those you ranked in the video. Thanks for the great content!
Gave up on FFG sleeves fairly early, for the same reason...they are just not sized properly. I moved on to Mayday for just about everything for the longest time. Then last Black Friday, Sleeve Kings had a sale...and Im hooked. Ill be using their brand for a long time to come, by far my favorite.
Hey Zee (if you read this), my recommendation is to clap your hands when you do another take so it appears as a giant spike in your audio so it is hard to miss. Great vid otherwise!.
99% of my sleeves are those Fantasy Flight ones because they'd frequently be on sale at my local store and for the things I was sleeving, consistency was more important than quality. And I'd use some fancyass Dragon Shields on my really important ones that weren't part of that thing. I'd be nice to have something better quality than the FF but cheaper than DragonShield so I'll check these out.
I'm a huge Dragonshield fan. Been sleeving cards for trading card games and deck-builders for years using them and can count on one hand how many times I've had to replace a sleeve. They're definitely an investment, but one I don't regret in the slightest.
I switched from Mayday to FFG sleeves about 5-6 years ago and they are my go-to sleeve for size consistency and quality. I do agree about the extra 'lip' on top though, which is the one negative I have about the FFG sleeves. It will be interesting to see if the Gamegenic sleeves can maintain size consistency over time.
Looks like KMC’s Matte, my favorite sleeves are Ultimate Guard Katana.but at 10-12$ per 100 they are definitely not at all cheap and that’s quite rough.
My fav is actually Ultra Pro’s. I find it that they fit the best and have good value. FF is probably the one I don’t like since its over sized. Im gonna try these out and see if the value to quality is on par with Ultra Pro
Re the Legions, there always seems to be a quite number of off and warped ones in each packet to me. Perhaps they don't store well, in shops or at home. I think they're pretty cheap to buy. I bought a load of them super-cheap once and put my themed dice masters in them, as they do come with a variety of coloured backs.
Here's my problem with most sleeves.....the "bump" test. Let's say you have a large stack of sleeved cards and someone bumps the table or whatever.....the whole stack slides off. There is no friction to keep the stack together. Is there a big difference between glossy and matte finish sleeves when they are stacked?
I only have Fantasy Flight and TitanShield to compare with, but my TitanShields have a texture on that back that prevent the stack from sliding away, like the FF ones do.
This is a good look at the gamegenic board game line of clear sleeves and its great to have one brand cover so many different sizes. The main drawback currently is these are a challenge to get in the US at the moment. I was able to get several sizes shipped in from Canada and the UK and I overall really like them. As you can tell from the video they have much improved fit over the FFG sleeves they are ultimately replacing. They do have a full line of the the standard card sleeves in different colors coming whenever this become widely available. Also glad to see them keep the old FFG color codes and expanding on it with new size offerings. My new go to sleeve for board games.
These are very easy to get in the US. Asmodee's own store has them in stock (and free shipping until the end of the month).They've been available for many weeks. With distributors shut down due to coronavirus you won't find them at your FLGS or OLGS, but they're available straight from Asmodee's website. Hopefully anyone thinking of ordering out of country can save on shipping knowing where they can get them domestically.
And that's the reason I will be re-sleeving my Blood Rage now that I got the new KS stuff. Kind of a bummer to put all the expansions together only to find that some sleeves are shorter and/or narrower.
This is bullshit. Come on dude. I own 300+ games and bought probably 600 packs of ffg sleeves in all sizes. Maybe two packs were bad out of all of them.
Going to say, I've never had a problem with the FF sleeves for any board games. They are among my most used sleeves, although I also enjoy Dragon Shields.
@@pcman3158 No, because I think they're thicker. Anyway, I currently don't use sleeves at all. It's hard to shuffle with them, and also they're annoyingly shiny.
ur definitley right ur not a sleeve guy but if u ever get into sleeves dont waste ur energy shuffling as u can do the sleeve shuffles which is as good as normal card shuffling except ir now damaging the cards by bending them
At the end of your game reviews it would be cool if you listed the amount and size to sleeve the game in review. Just in text at the end. That way we could just come to your videos when we want to sleeve them. Or if we like a game in review we can write down the sleeves and size easy before we head to our local game store. Just a suggestion, but it would really be handy.
There a BGG list that some people make on their own, once games are in the hands of the public. They would have to ask publishers to supply that ahead of time.
The discontinuation of FFG sleeves sucks BIG TIME. All my games are sleeved with FFG sleeves. I liked the extra room at the top (most sleeves cut this too close and the top of the card gets messed up over time). They shuffled just fine. The biggest issue here is Asmodee being idiots replacing a long established product (all FFG games list which sleeves to buy and in what quantities) with new ones that arent' the same size. So it's a big FU from Asmodee to anyone who will need to continue sleeving a game that already has FFG sleeves. I'm sure this wasn't by accident too. Get us to resleeve everything so the sleeves are all the same size. Also found out these new sleeves are a dollar more expensive than the already pricey FFG sleeves. Hell no. Honestly, Asmodee needs to crash and burn.
For "standard" card size which are made for the MTG cards dragon shield matte are the way to go. They are a little more expensive but will last forever. The only problem is they don't make a variety of sizes for the different board games. As for different size sleeves I have been impressed with the ultra pro lite. Even though they are thin they are doing well (none have split on me) but a slight perk to being thin is takes up less space in the box. Also they are cheap (less than $2.00 a pack and they come 100 per pack).
@@ZeeGarc Ultra-Pro mattes are decent, but they always put that stupid hologram sticker on them which kinda ruins the artwork on cards. However, the Ultra-Pro Eclipse sleeves are (in my opinion) the absolute best 'standard' card sleeve. They are super durable and have an incredible shuffle feel. The only drawback is that you cant get them with clear backs, so they aren't always the best for board games.
If the sleeve is bigger than it says on the packaging, like Zee said with the FF ones, that is clearly a breach of marketing and should not be sold. I would return them in a flash as they are advertising what you do not get.
Kickstarter Radio 102.4 I believe the FFG sleeves are going off of the card size that can fit in the sleeve not the actual sleeve size... which makes no sense when no one does it that way.
Thanks for this video. I have been looking for a comparison of the gamegenic to the FFG ones, as all of my Arkham Horror LCG encounter cards are sleeved in FFG sleeves, and I have run out. Now that I know that they are different, I'm going to have to figure out how to re-sleeve things in something new. Goddamn FFG fucked everyone again.
Oh, you do not like the FFG sleeves do you? No, the truth of it is your corporate overlords who you are shilling for told you to push the Gamegenic sleeves while bashing the FFG sleeves. I am so disappointed in this review, and with Zee especially, for doing this. Also, from all the people who liked and supported FFG sleeves, we are just so thrilled with you for helping to leave us in the lurch now that FFG sleeves have been, basically, canceled and replaced by the Gamegenic ones. Moving over to UltraPro as I would never support Gamegenic going forward. 0/10 . EDIT: In case any one cares enough about what I said to wonder why I am so upset, Gamegenic sleeves are a different size than FFG sleeves so now many people with whole shelves full of FFG sleeves will have a some hard choices to make. it matters in games like Dominion or LCGs where people, like I, have thousands of cards sleeved but now no way to sleeve the next newest expansion with similar sized sleeves. This is, by far, my single worst experience in gaming. Long ago Tom spoke about what bad things could come with Asmodee buying too much of the mainstream gaming industry. Well my friends, here we are.
Well, if you wonder why IM upset, it's because you're calling us a liar. We aren't shilling these, didn't get paid by FFG to review the sleeves. Zee gave his honest opinion. Please don't get upset with people who actually enjoy the product.
Here's my problem with most sleeves.....the "bump" test. Let's say you have a large stack of sleeved cards and someone bumps the table or whatever.....the whole stack slides off. There is no friction to keep the stack together. Is there a big difference between glossy and matte finish sleeves when they are stacked?
From my own experience, there is. I play a decent amount of deck builders and have switched exclusively to mattes as having a big stack of clears in the middle of the table slip and slide easily, not to mention the shuffling of it is a bit off. The only times I make an exception is if I have to have them clear on both sides because the card has art/info on the back or if the stack isn't particularly big.
@@izunakaze4301 Do you think there will be any difference in shuffling Inner Glossy vs Standard Glossy sleeves? I do ask because of the thin Gamegentic Inner cards (50-60 microns) vs Standard Premium Glossy sleeves (90-100 microns). I do have Gamegentic Matte Standard ones (100 microns), they do shuffle great, but my One Deck Dungeon game's cards look too smoky and dull because of matte sleeve surface.
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Currently Dragon Shield Sleeves is the best for standard size! Fantasy Flight is usually what I use for the other sizes! But might need to try this brand because they look like they have more sizes!
I like Sleeve Kings for a value sleeve option. I am impressed with their quality and durability, and they shuffle well. They are my go to unless I specifically want a thick sleeve for extra protection.
What's your opinion on Mayday Sleeves?
Be a little careful when buying Mayday sleeves, they have 2 VERY different lines. The regular ones are akin to a 'penny' sleeve and are very thin, and in my opinion just hot garbage. The premium line are thicker, and are perfectly serviceable. One nice thing is that they make colored sleeves in board game sizes, whereas most manufacturers only make clear, or only make colored sleeves in standard card size like for MTG.
@@benjaminsessler2677 I get you on the penny sleeve. They are exactly that. BUT, even the cheap, light, slippery sleeve has save more than one card from a deadly spilled drink in my home. I know, "you get what you pay for." I have had to replace more than one from simply wear after only a few plays. But they are also on the front display in nearly every local game store I have ever walked into.
I've liked the Mayday sleeves I've gotten!
Mayday Premiums are great! We love using these at our station at KiS 102.4. Highly recommended.
Paladin were the only manufacturer I'd previously seen doing double-matte sleeves where both sides of the sleeve were the same matte material. I went in big on their last kickstart and bought 100 packs but when they arrived it turned out they changed their material without telling anyone and the sides no longer matched. They were more like the Dragon Shield Non Glare range with a rough textured matte on one side and smooth matte on the other. They basically screwed over all the people who had half their collection already sleeved in their previous iteration of double-matte sleeves. After that I'm very wary of new entries to the market. These could be the only company making double-matte sleeves now but who knows if they'll keep the range going in years to come.
I love the sleeve kings ones, they are cheap, come in big number packs and are a great thickness for my taste, so I got them for all my games and have the leftovers to start sleeving expansion or extra stuff.
Hey Zee, really enjoyed the video! Would love to see more videos about accessories like this. Was wondering if you've ever tried Dragon Shield sleeves and if so your thoughts compared to those you ranked in the video. Thanks for the great content!
No Dragon Shield or Katana comparison? :-(
Gave up on FFG sleeves fairly early, for the same reason...they are just not sized properly. I moved on to Mayday for just about everything for the longest time. Then last Black Friday, Sleeve Kings had a sale...and Im hooked. Ill be using their brand for a long time to come, by far my favorite.
For me it depends on the card. For their Orange, Green, yellow, and red I find they are sized really well. For gray the sleeves are a little too big.
Do Sleeve Kings do "proper" thick sleeves? The only ones I've seen in the UK are like slightly thicker penny sleeves
Interesting video. Always like these videos that look at some of the accessories to the hobby. Thanks Zee!
Hey Zee (if you read this), my recommendation is to clap your hands when you do another take so it appears as a giant spike in your audio so it is hard to miss. Great vid otherwise!.
99% of my sleeves are those Fantasy Flight ones because they'd frequently be on sale at my local store and for the things I was sleeving, consistency was more important than quality. And I'd use some fancyass Dragon Shields on my really important ones that weren't part of that thing. I'd be nice to have something better quality than the FF but cheaper than DragonShield so I'll check these out.
I'm a huge Dragonshield fan. Been sleeving cards for trading card games and deck-builders for years using them and can count on one hand how many times I've had to replace a sleeve. They're definitely an investment, but one I don't regret in the slightest.
These GameGenic sleeves look so nice, I may start sleeving my games. Hmmmmm......
Do you have your Arkham Horror: LCG cards sleeved?
At 3:22 there is an editing mistake where you re stated something and didn’t edit out the first one
Ultimate Guard sleeves look like a great option for me, especially since I am trying to be avoid anything to do with Asmodee.
Interesting that the guy who built up Ultimate Guard is now building up Gamegenic: www.asmodee.co.uk/news-item/gamegenic/
When will the game genic sleeves be available for purchase? I'm curious to their shuffle feel.
Heather Mackney I’m curious as well. I like FFG sleeve quality, but they can be a challenge to shuffle
Gamegenic has heaps of colour options for their sleeves
I ordered the red matte sleeves to sleeve my Star Wars Destiny collection after hearing much good about them.
I switched from Mayday to FFG sleeves about 5-6 years ago and they are my go-to sleeve for size consistency and quality. I do agree about the extra 'lip' on top though, which is the one negative I have about the FFG sleeves.
It will be interesting to see if the Gamegenic sleeves can maintain size consistency over time.
Looks like KMC’s Matte, my favorite sleeves are Ultimate Guard Katana.but at 10-12$ per 100 they are definitely not at all cheap and that’s quite rough.
My fav is actually Ultra Pro’s. I find it that they fit the best and have good value. FF is probably the one I don’t like since its over sized. Im gonna try these out and see if the value to quality is on par with Ultra Pro
The clear ones are named PRIME, and the others are named MATTE.
Re the Legions, there always seems to be a quite number of off and warped ones in each packet to me. Perhaps they don't store well, in shops or at home. I think they're pretty cheap to buy. I bought a load of them super-cheap once and put my themed dice masters in them, as they do come with a variety of coloured backs.
Dragon Shields are fantastic and so are Ultra Pro Eclipse Matte - check those out.
Nothing beats KMC Perfect Hard. Close second is Dragon Shield.
Do the smokey matt Gamegenics sleeves make small text hard to read? Like the text on the two sided Arkham Horror cards?
Yep
Well Gamegemic does have opaque sleeves as well, they just happen to be for KeyForge with the KF logo on the back though...
Jay Rutley they have a full line of colored back opaque sleeves coming too. I think in both regular and matte options as well.
What size would work for the new edition of 7 Wonders?
So who sells all these sizes of matte sleeves in one place?
What about the volume on a stack? Are the Matte sleeves thicker than the clear ones (Prime sleeves)?
Did you ever find the answer to this question? I'm curious as well.
@@CosmicTavern I never knew that. Anyway, I currently don't use sleeves at all. It's hard to shuffle with them, and also they're annoyingly shiny.
Here's my problem with most sleeves.....the "bump" test. Let's say you have a large stack of sleeved cards and someone bumps the table or whatever.....the whole stack slides off. There is no friction to keep the stack together.
Is there a big difference between glossy and matte finish sleeves when they are stacked?
I only have Fantasy Flight and TitanShield to compare with, but my TitanShields have a texture on that back that prevent the stack from sliding away, like the FF ones do.
I like adding a 3d printed deck holder.
Check out standard card sleeves vs matt card sleeves from dice tower. They show you exsawhat your looking for
Never understood what the deal was with those huge ass FF sleeves.
It protects the card better because the plastic has room "close up"
This is a good look at the gamegenic board game line of clear sleeves and its great to have one brand cover so many different sizes. The main drawback currently is these are a challenge to get in the US at the moment. I was able to get several sizes shipped in from Canada and the UK and I overall really like them. As you can tell from the video they have much improved fit over the FFG sleeves they are ultimately replacing. They do have a full line of the the standard card sleeves in different colors coming whenever this become widely available. Also glad to see them keep the old FFG color codes and expanding on it with new size offerings. My new go to sleeve for board games.
These are very easy to get in the US. Asmodee's own store has them in stock (and free shipping until the end of the month).They've been available for many weeks. With distributors shut down due to coronavirus you won't find them at your FLGS or OLGS, but they're available straight from Asmodee's website. Hopefully anyone thinking of ordering out of country can save on shipping knowing where they can get them domestically.
I've always had problems with the FF sleeves being way inconsistent in their sizes between different packs.
Haven't had that problem with them the last few years. 3 years ago is a different story.
And that's the reason I will be re-sleeving my Blood Rage now that I got the new KS stuff. Kind of a bummer to put all the expansions together only to find that some sleeves are shorter and/or narrower.
I found exactly the opposite... by far the most reliably sized (when you're not paying Dragon Shield prices)
This is bullshit. Come on dude. I own 300+ games and bought probably 600 packs of ffg sleeves in all sizes. Maybe two packs were bad out of all of them.
Going to say, I've never had a problem with the FF sleeves for any board games.
They are among my most used sleeves, although I also enjoy Dragon Shields.
Gamegenic PRIME is my guy for what I've watched...
not matte?
@@pcman3158 No, because I think they're thicker. Anyway, I currently don't use sleeves at all. It's hard to shuffle with them, and also they're annoyingly shiny.
The Matte finish is to prevent cards sticking together while shuffling. Matte is the way to go.
Yeah the gamegenic is pairing both matte and non-glare together.
I agree!
ur definitley right ur not a sleeve guy but if u ever get into sleeves dont waste ur energy shuffling as u can do the sleeve shuffles which is as good as normal card shuffling except ir now damaging the cards by bending them
At the end of your game reviews it would be cool if you listed the amount and size to sleeve the game in review. Just in text at the end. That way we could just come to your videos when we want to sleeve them. Or if we like a game in review we can write down the sleeves and size easy before we head to our local game store.
Just a suggestion, but it would really be handy.
There a BGG list that some people make on their own, once games are in the hands of the public. They would have to ask publishers to supply that ahead of time.
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The discontinuation of FFG sleeves sucks BIG TIME. All my games are sleeved with FFG sleeves. I liked the extra room at the top (most sleeves cut this too close and the top of the card gets messed up over time). They shuffled just fine.
The biggest issue here is Asmodee being idiots replacing a long established product (all FFG games list which sleeves to buy and in what quantities) with new ones that arent' the same size. So it's a big FU from Asmodee to anyone who will need to continue sleeving a game that already has FFG sleeves. I'm sure this wasn't by accident too. Get us to resleeve everything so the sleeves are all the same size.
Also found out these new sleeves are a dollar more expensive than the already pricey FFG sleeves. Hell no.
Honestly, Asmodee needs to crash and burn.
For "standard" card size which are made for the MTG cards dragon shield matte are the way to go. They are a little more expensive but will last forever. The only problem is they don't make a variety of sizes for the different board games.
As for different size sleeves I have been impressed with the ultra pro lite. Even though they are thin they are doing well (none have split on me) but a slight perk to being thin is takes up less space in the box. Also they are cheap (less than $2.00 a pack and they come 100 per pack).
Frozencajun I didn’t have any Ultra Pro on hand to use in the comparison, but to be honest, I don’t really like them that much.
@@ZeeGarc the regular ultra pro or ultra pro lite? They are different.
@@ZeeGarc Ultra-Pro mattes are decent, but they always put that stupid hologram sticker on them which kinda ruins the artwork on cards. However, the Ultra-Pro Eclipse sleeves are (in my opinion) the absolute best 'standard' card sleeve. They are super durable and have an incredible shuffle feel. The only drawback is that you cant get them with clear backs, so they aren't always the best for board games.
If the sleeve is bigger than it says on the packaging, like Zee said with the FF ones, that is clearly a breach of marketing and should not be sold. I would return them in a flash as they are advertising what you do not get.
Kickstarter Radio 102.4 I believe the FFG sleeves are going off of the card size that can fit in the sleeve not the actual sleeve size... which makes no sense when no one does it that way.
You're ridiculous. Breach of Marketing? LOL.
Thanks for this video. I have been looking for a comparison of the gamegenic to the FFG ones, as all of my Arkham Horror LCG encounter cards are sleeved in FFG sleeves, and I have run out. Now that I know that they are different, I'm going to have to figure out how to re-sleeve things in something new. Goddamn FFG fucked everyone again.
It's Asmodee actually not FFG
Oh, you do not like the FFG sleeves do you? No, the truth of it is your corporate overlords who you are shilling for told you to push the Gamegenic sleeves while bashing the FFG sleeves. I am so disappointed in this review, and with Zee especially, for doing this. Also, from all the people who liked and supported FFG sleeves, we are just so thrilled with you for helping to leave us in the lurch now that FFG sleeves have been, basically, canceled and replaced by the Gamegenic ones. Moving over to UltraPro as I would never support Gamegenic going forward. 0/10
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EDIT: In case any one cares enough about what I said to wonder why I am so upset, Gamegenic sleeves are a different size than FFG sleeves so now many people with whole shelves full of FFG sleeves will have a some hard choices to make. it matters in games like Dominion or LCGs where people, like I, have thousands of cards sleeved but now no way to sleeve the next newest expansion with similar sized sleeves. This is, by far, my single worst experience in gaming. Long ago Tom spoke about what bad things could come with Asmodee buying too much of the mainstream gaming industry. Well my friends, here we are.
Well, if you wonder why IM upset, it's because you're calling us a liar. We aren't shilling these, didn't get paid by FFG to review the sleeves. Zee gave his honest opinion. Please don't get upset with people who actually enjoy the product.
@@thedicetower Lesson learned. Thank you for the reply.
Here's my problem with most sleeves.....the "bump" test. Let's say you have a large stack of sleeved cards and someone bumps the table or whatever.....the whole stack slides off. There is no friction to keep the stack together.
Is there a big difference between glossy and matte finish sleeves when they are stacked?
From my own experience, there is. I play a decent amount of deck builders and have switched exclusively to mattes as having a big stack of clears in the middle of the table slip and slide easily, not to mention the shuffling of it is a bit off. The only times I make an exception is if I have to have them clear on both sides because the card has art/info on the back or if the stack isn't particularly big.
@@izunakaze4301 Do you think there will be any difference in shuffling Inner Glossy vs Standard Glossy sleeves? I do ask because of the thin Gamegentic Inner cards (50-60 microns) vs Standard Premium Glossy sleeves (90-100 microns). I do have Gamegentic Matte Standard ones (100 microns), they do shuffle great, but my One Deck Dungeon game's cards look too smoky and dull because of matte sleeve surface.