What I find ironic is that JRock was trashing on Fikshun for choreographing his rounds (apparently he thinks the water bottle is a choreo) but he decided to bring 2 dancers and choreograph bits with them. Like wtf?
I wouldn't call it an epic battle but jrock got smoked, he brought goons, he called fik-shun out and didn't even go first in the battle and still lost. Worst thing he didn't even shake his hand in the end. He's supposed be an OG. But has no class
@@Apologia5 yeah it's easy to shake hands when everybody's gone and no one's there. It would've been true character if he did it right there and then. But no obviously he's playing the tough guy so he's not going to do it then.
Fikshun won. Dance is meant to be intriguing even to the normy "know nothing" that's what makes it amazing. So if poppers want to support jrock on the count of technique good luck . But look around ... this is not poppers con .And the crowd is not the poppers council. It's a dance battle so u better bring your skill with something fresh not the same popping moves we have aaaaaall seen before a thousand of times... like even with the crew he brought...even with the costumes. I was expecting more from him to be honest. But I guess CGI and animation will always be fiction. Pun intended
Dude , i was present there ; and i know jrock wayyyy before anyone else , trust me he was being super easy,this was a part of his character. In fact fik shun didnt and cant battle jrock,ever in his life. Funfact : fikshun choreographed the entire two rounds.
@@kck9542true said, he doesnt have anything to prove there, he did fik shun a favor. And dont get me wrong i had followed fik shun even before he went to So You Think You Can Dance, i admire what he does. But when it come to professional battle Jrock is out of his league.
It looked like JRock was to much in his feelings and it really got into his head. Reminds me of that Robozee vs Nelson battle years ago where Robozee got the same way and all his moves started not being clean.
J Rock lost... It is what it is... I get where he was coming from but it was way too much for a call out battle... J Rock had nothing to prove but it seemed like he did so it made him look bad Unfortunately... Especially being a Vet in the culture... All he had to do was BE HIMSELF no theatrics... I’ve seen J Rock do way better in any other battle... This didn’t show J Rock full potential... That’s his own fault... Fikshun was himself the whole time and didn’t care what was being thrown at him... He’s always been with the smoke since I’ve known him... He was like 14-15 tryna battle me when I was in my early 20s... He’s doing him and that’s all you need to bring to the battle... Be you 💯 and what happens happens... In this case he took a W...
Exactly right, Toshi. Fik-shun's being his authentic self, which is the usual for him. Go, Fik-shun! Indeed, you're an amazing dancer and you won every round.
Taking away the techniques and styles part, I always think wearing big loose jacket in popping battle never ends well. It just doesn’t work in visuals because it hides most of the subtle details. It doesn’t matter if it’s for theatricality. And bringing the crew choreography on 1 on 1 is always a Lose already.
Fikshun won the battle and that's clearly visible. I have a huge respect for J Rock . I follow him and he has got a really strong foundation but the way most of these underground dancers or OG's ( whatever you say ) present themselves is really boring for the normal crowd because they hardly understand what is scarecrow or what is a boogaloo walk out. After a certain point I find these people very restricted . They don't care what the crowd wants to watch, they just force their own things and make the crowd watch it. And yeah he really came with a lot of negativity . That really sucks man. He shouldn't have done this and could have presented himself in a more pleasing manner.
its crazy how a bunch of haters think Fikshun is a tiktok dancer when this guy was a known street dancer before he went on SYTYCD. so he's definitely seasoned in entertaining the crowd with dance skills as well as tricks. he stayed true to himself in this battle, JRock seem like he had the most to prove instead of just sticking to what he does best.
You nailed the commentary and review between these two. Fik Shun bleeds positivity and every dance is a happy dance. Fik Shun, though I don't know him, seems to be a genuinely decent and joyful person. I see it in his dance, he shines!
I said this in your previous video talking of their battle coming up, "OGs are the most close minded group of ppl in the dance world...usually." And would you look at that, J Rock is showing just how close minded he is. A quote from another video I think had a lot of truth to it, "Smh this battle is a good example of why dancers shouldn't limit their dance vocabulary to one style only and call it (foundation) because you will eventually run in to a dancer like fik-shun and get demolished.dance style purists will always be at a disadvantage despite their skill and reputation.fik shun killed all rounds meanwhile Jrock killed the first round." Where I differ is, I dont think J Rock killed any rounds. And it was so embarrassing that he used his cronies to chime in on his one on one battle. To be fair, the music wasnt poppin music...but there lies the problem, old school styles like poppin will NEVER keep up with styles that can utilize that gamut of music. And getting smoked in that gimmicky getup along with his cronies was cringy AF. J Rock is delusional, like a relgious nutcase who is so wrapped up in tradition, they can never question their own belief systems. And that is a serious crutch. Hip-hop has so many different styles and he is stuck in just "old-school", poppin/lockin/animation/etc. But I guess he can stay in his echo chamber of ppl who think the same and be okay with that level of mediocrity.
Closed minded, yet you are closed minded to criticize JRock rather than the splatter style that Fiction has? Ask a boxer to be open minded to use kicks in boxing.... then get laughed at. I don't care if it is a "freestyle" battle; but if your specialty is strong, then you fire your strengths. I hope that the next generation shits on how you had it.
@@SlickRick4EVER Im criticizing certain thought patterns of dancers, not popping as a whole. And using kicks in boxing has nothing to do with being open minded, those are just simply rules. A better analogy would be say this Bruce Lee quote - “To be bound by traditional martial art style or styles is the way of the mindless, enslaved martial artist. But to be inspired by the traditional martial art and to achieve further heights is the way of genius.” Not arguing whether Bruce was a legit fighter or not, but we can see in MMA that its not smart to stick to one style. And if anything, a freestyle battle is more comparable to MMA. Im not even a fan of Fik-Shun. I think if it was Slim Boogie who battled Fik-Shun, Slim would have taken it. Why? Because Slim has a larger library of movements to go with the sounds in music, and he is also great at dancing to non-popping music. Im around the same age as JRock, maybe even older. I was bboying and popping from the mid-90s to late 2000s and I used to have a similar mindset as JRock. I can look at the new styles and actually appreciate how ppl have taken what was created in the past, then put their own spin on it. Again, Im not criticizing a generation of dance, only the individual dancers who are enslaved by their own dogma.
@@foyo5497 "old school styles like poppin will NEVER keep up with styles that can utilize that gamut of music". I think Mt Pop vs Kuty would disagree with you.
@@good2go619 "Old school styles" is the key part here. You showed examples of 2 new school poppers. Me personally Ive always looked at Kuty as a hip-hop dancer with a lot of popping influence. But notice how Kuty and Mt. Pop utilize the gamut of music, which was my point. You dont see old schoolers like J Rock or Boogaloo Sam utilizing the music to the same level, let alone even dance to music that isnt "popping music". I remember a battle between J Rock and Slim Boogie. A tight new school song came on I believe on the second round and the crowd got hype. Boogaloo Sam, one of the judges told them change the song saying "That aint popping music!". Thats some goofy old school nonsense lol
@@foyo5497 "old school styles like poppin" is how I read it because that's what you wrote. I interpreted that as you saying popping is an old school style. I understand your point, but think you could have written it better. I think you didn't need to talk about popping in generalities when your issue is with the traditional mindset of certain individuals. Kuty is a hip hop dancer. I have never seen him in any popping battles. Kuty vs Mt Pop was an exhibition battle of hip hop vs popper. Also at this event was an exhibition battle of Icee vs Acky as well as other popper vs hip hop battles.
Nothing wrong with the costume. Its character and puts on a good show for the people, but I was letdown by Jrock in this battle. Seen him perform so much better in the past. Focusing so hard on dissing/battling the other person takes away from the dancing after a certain point.
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I agree. The music was trash. They played retarded beats..if it was a real all styles battle. They should of played all genres: house, edm, trap, funk, hip hop, g funk and so forth. Give a dancer one song each, to their flavor. After all, it is a battle. You can't and should not have anything requested or preseted by the Dj. All random son! 👍 On that note, i would also make each dancer. Dance to two different songs. To test musicality and skill. That way, it would be more fair.
I hope one day you get a chance to do a "what makes this dancer great" for MT Pop. IMO he's the next greenteck in terms of his impact on popping and the damage he has been doing in the battle scene. Like greenteck he's definitely a creative genius.
I am putting my analysis on this video. 1. about the "back up dancers" on JRock's side, its the same thing as when larry /Laurent does 1v1 but has a quick hype/choreo moment in battles. so yes you can do that on 1v1 rounds.(on the same note, he is sending a message or a lesson from the west coast with all of what he has going on with the clothes and props, etc. most wont know but only the OGs do) 2. This is a battle and in battles its about facing your opponent, not the judges, not the crowd, just you and your opponent. So that matters A LOT! 3. Again this is a battle, which means taunting and intimidating your opponent is allowed (a lot of people don't like when people do it but it is allowed as long as there is no fighting) so what Jrock did is what battles come with. 4. This is an ALL STYLES BATTLE which means anything goes in terms of dancing and music. Now speaking of the 3rd round (the video that got cut off), it was funk, and fik-shun wasn't showing much funk or being in line with the music (which happens in all styles battle) so eventually the edge will go in the opponents favor when its a music that vibes more with the dancer's style (which also wins the battle) and 4th round was dubstep which both was having a hard time with so the point is who ever vibes with the music most usually gets the edge. 5. Because there was no judges, ABSOLUTELY NO ONE except the dancers themselves can say who won and who lost. Fans can suck up all they want but most fans don't know how to dance let alone have knowledge of it. You can have your opinion of who won for sure, you can say fik-shun won, you can say JRock won, but at the end of the day you have no say in the matter when it comes to this because fans will always stick to whoever they are fans of aka BIAS. Only the dancers will admit who won. It doesn't matter who I think won, but I do have to say at the end of the battle I like to give a hand shake or a pound to show respect but in some cases if someone takes it too seriously they wont. So it is what it is.....a battle.
That the point people r stupid and dont undersatand anything about foundation and history think its like competition which is funny, they know a little about callout and street culture. Thanks for saying this.
People say this, but please note a 1 on 1 battle where one backed up the other. They only do it in 2v2 events where they're partners and it's permitted. They've danced solo plenty like at Summer Dance Forever, HHI 2012, Red Bull BC One 2016, WOD San Diego, Battle Bad 2019, and other events that are 1 on 1 and I've never seen them back each other up. I think the only issue with JRock's taunting was when he chest bumped him and then when he went into his ear, that's too much.
@@TooneUntitled I've seen a lot of battles where they've done it even in 1v1. And as for him getting in his face, again it's allowed, just nnot a lot of ppl like when it happens. I don't like it myself but it's a battle and tries to get in your opponent's head
JRock played himself. All of that talk about how Fikshun has nothing but gimmicks and choreographed sets but as soon as it''s time to battle Fikshun, JRock is the one who's coming with costumes and props and didn't do anything noteworthy with any of them throughout the entire battle. He even broke character several times which is funny since he swears that he's a better animator than Fikshun, who actually did animate a few times in the battle AND stayed in character. JRock got 5'0'd by a so-called Tik ToK/commercial dancer (JRock's words) that he swore that he was better than in every aspect of dancing. Oh well.
It don't matter if you know west coast or east coast style of dancing what matters is how GIFTED you are and the amount of hours you put into your craft so judging by this FIK-SHUN IS Light Years BETTER FIK-SHUN IS FAR MORE VERSATILE
Ya that may have helped . New gen is a lot of old gen with new twist . Paying respect to the forefathers is part of that journey. You’ll be old gen one day
Agree with your commentary Rob 100% Fikshun was just so much more diverse. And he had much more creativity in his concepts. And he just all around played his character perfectly. JRock needs to take his L and be humble about it. I've seen better rounds from both gentlemen. But in this battle, Fikshun took it hands down.
This is the full round right here some shit was cut out of the vid u saw here: I happened to catch it just 15 mins after he (JRock) posted it on his channel, it's footage from the other camera man in the hat that we see in this vid. I think they're both awesome Im no one to choose a winner lol
Fikshun won, thats a fact. But i have to say, the music was shit for a Popper.. And btw, Jay Rock wants a 1vs1 and he came with a fake ass Jabbawookez😂
I definitely give the W to fik-shun, but I still enjoy J-rocks style and attitude. The way Jrock is always promoting and spreading the word of old school popping brings something great to dance. Truth is, it's a bit absurd to compare 2 styles that are so different. They both work really well if but into the right context. LIke if you put ranch dressing on apple pie, it would taste pretty bad. Does that mean ranch dressing is terrible? No. It just means it's not suited to for that particular context. .
I don't know why ppl say that Jrock called out Fik Shun when on Fik Shun's Instagram he was the one that issued out an open challenge, Jrock was just the one to accept that challenge.
J rock knew he lost. He had to bring excuses on why he won saying people uneducated on the culture he tried to represent. He failed though because he brought it to a battle. He forgets it’s a new era and it’s fine because us youngins keep everything alive and evolving. It’s not that we don’t care for history. Just shit changes. J rock lost clearly. Fik shun won. If J rock needs to explain why he won then he already knew he lost
Saw jrock & his crew (Popula, a chick called Lady Sheeva or somethin) back at Best of the Best in KC bout '03 or so. All the big faces there - Wiggles, Salah, Suga Pop, etc etc. I'll never forget the faces. It was easy to see who just wanted to have fun & was happy to be there....vs who was trying to prove somethin, get famous, etc. Jrock went hard no doubt, but I barely saw him smile - like it was more about bein' serious than just havin a good time. Anyway. That was my first impression. Much respect to both. Been following the scene for almost 20 years now, and my favorite thing about it is & always will be the fun, the silliness, the creativity, laughter, friendships etc. To me that's the difference between being 'good' & 'great'.
I definitely had Fikshun winning the battle 100%. The music was pretty bad after the first two rounds though. Fikshun easily took round 2 and I think he edged him out the first round. The last 2 rounds just were off to me from both sides. I think Fikshun did better on the second to last song, but neither were really feeling it, can't blame them though. It's on the DJ. I think this battle came down to all-styles vs one style kinda like you said how JRock wasn''t adapting. I think his attitude was fine though for a callout battle, but I do think he came off bad since he wasn't killing it. To me if you're gonna be like that you have to kill it.
I was there. Jrock is a much better dancer than that, and everyone (especially you Fantastic) in the popping community knows that. The outfit honestly took away from his dance and the details in it. The music that whole night was more geared towards meme dancers. I mean there were a lot of amazing dancers there, but thats just their thing in that community. Totally different atmosphere than what poppers are used to. When they played "Vivrant Thing" by Q-Tip, I really started to cringe. When they played "Sexy Dancer" by Prince, I got hype as fuck but I'm sure you edited it out cause of copyright issues? To me that was the one round where Jrock really shined, and even still he could have done WAY better. Both great dancers, but that reminded me of when you get in a battle in a trendy club and they are just playing shitty music. Jrock needed to adapt, but he didn't.
to be fair,i felt the battle was rigged entirely.the music choice was favored more to fikshun,which backs up the claim that fikshun's rounds were choreographed
Good video. I love watching the battle videos Agree, I love the character and costume of J Rock. Fik-shun, on point and engaging as usual. Seems odd that J-Rock brought backup dancers....but as you said, there's no rules. (To me it came off like trying too hard. And trying too hard never screams "cool" to me.) Some reason I didn't get a notification - but I'm here now.
Jrock won, and if people cared enough to watch the interviews after you would understand his rationale for everything . Jrock says he knew fikshun was practicing water bottle Choreography so when he went for the bottle jrock knew during his own round what was coming. Tainted the water bottle round for me , plus after he dropped the water bottle Fikshun was off beat the rest of the entire round. People don’t see this??? I’ve watched some fikshun solos on stage after the battle and I see very little difference between his rounds vs jrock and his performances . I don’t feel inspired when I see his rounds because they don’t look spontaneous . When he was free styling I liked it , but having to dissect what looked like choreography between everything was exhausting to watch . Both sides used choreography yes, but from an originality standpoint jrock took it , I’ve never seen anything like it before in a battle . If You wanted to see fikshun perform on stage you could just watch this battle. Anyways love for both dancers. No disrespect this is my Honest opinion.
Robert Muraine do you feel as if jrock is misinterpreted? Because I do. I feel like fikshun was preparing for a stage battle , and jrock was preparing for a street battle .
Nicely said. JRock won in my opinion but that is only based on what I prefer in a battle. Every deciding who won is being subjective. I prefer foundation, technique, many different styles and not being off beat. JRock was clearly better in those ways. Fikshun over does his facial expressions for my liking, relies too much on tricks and concepts, off beat, poor foundation etc.
@@Apologia5 I believe fikshun won Jrocks popping and hits were to repetitive and the flow of music didn't fit him he was also relying too much on his props . it was an all style battle that they both agreed to fik shun won and he had more creativity and simplicity
Yeah J Rocks Saltiness literally makes this shit cringe. Fik Shun went in , No Shake at the end literally what a bitch. Garage dancer right there, first time I heard of him, last time I'll ever watch.
Repeated popping and locking moves from j-rock with drama added but little variety ( notwithstanding respect due to his history expierience and west coast roots) However Fikshun lots of clean moves , variety and skills and in my view smoked J-Rock.......if I’d have watched this without sound and running commentary I’d have come to same conclusion!!!
Robert said that JRock was "bringing a lot of negativity to the circle," but it's a battle and there was tension and beef already. Also he was in character in a battle, beast mode, so he's not going to come all friendly at him. You could also argue that Fikshun brought bad vibes too during the battle with his gestures and comments during JRock's rounds. Also, judging these battles all comes down to personal preference and opinion. Murraine is more theatrical and an entertainer (as well as a great dancer) and so of course he would like Fikshun's water bottle routine and shoe tricks, whereas other dancers thought it was just whack and another trick/concept/gimmick that Fikshun usuallys relies on. Robert, did you not think that JRock had better foundation, technique and more styles (all styles?) Scarecrow, puppet, animation, popping, locking, snaking etc. and that he did those styles better than Fikshun? Also, you should have mentioned JRocks video that he posted where he explains in great detail the purpose of the crew members and how he DID shake Fikshun's hand after. What did you think of JSmooths comment on Jade's post and in the Whats Poppin group, talking about Fikshun being off beat, relying on punchlines, no foundation and not incorporating many styles since it was an all styles battle?
@@llmrfantasticll In his video he was educating people and explaining the history behind the costume and crew. I didn't see it as explaining why he won. And even if JRock was explaining why he won, wouldn't that just be educating people and dropping some knowledge so that they can view battles in a different way? I think it would be a good thing if JRock explained to the haters why he won, it wouldn't mean that therefore he didn't win, it would just be. educating the tik tok youtube haters
Your commentary is always on point. fikshun obviously won, but the music did not suit jrock at all. poppers like slim boogie or creesto could probably adapt to those songs, but he couldn't, his rounds just felt off... this battle was pretty weird either way lol
@@llmrfantasticll was bout to say something and u proved my point. That's no excuse cause as dancers we should be able to adapt to virtually any music selection 💯
Bro I think you should do a second video comentating on straight dance. Even though it was "allstyle", there was some stuff that. Deserve more elaboration. To me, it felt like Fikshun foundation was week. At the same time, JRock presentation of his concept was week. And, aside from gimmicks and tricks all dances has some criteria that underlines all styles, travel through space, ground moves, balance, directions, body control etc
Both dancers are real high level. I think fikshun is a crazy high level dancer, and so is J rock. This makes me sad because I love both dancers, but I am an OG popper at heart, and fikshun won this battle. Not because of any other reason than the venue and music was fikshuns fit. I would say a draw because I didn't like the music. They should do a followup match. A match with OG music, and more of a traditional popping type match. Just a og popping match because it would be more Jrocks element.... This was not a good battle... You guys know what I mean? What do you think? Im no expert, just my opinions...
Battle question? How is music chosen? Random or DJ? Cause if that was DJ that was a really bad playlist. "Hmm, this guy looks like they just dug him up out of the grave, let me play a super live and up beat song. " I would off started with Travis Scott - prayer and ended with Outkast- whole world.
The DJ worked with the host and venue to play a specific kind of music for the venue and the battle. It wasn’t random, it was selected specifically. The battlers selected the genres and felt the music was fair and good.
JRock got killed, Fik- Shun put on a hand down straight massacre....JRock loss a soon as he had these other shadow figures join in with the battle, a battle like this is supposed to be one on one. But in all Fik-Shun won all round....
JRock is boring AF. I could watch Fik-shun all day.
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Both have a Nice style. Jrock didnt adapt , showed off I feel like I wanted to prove something instead of just be it. Fikshun won has it was an AllStyle Battle not a Popping Battle his style fits the moment and is entertaining. Jrock is mad because of the memes
Yeah. He's had that attitude ever since I first met him, well over a decade ago. Toxic negativity that makes him dance worse. When he's not negative and just dancing and focused on the music, he's a good dancer. When he gets negative, it's hard to watch (cringe-y and uncomfortable). Poppers should be able to dance to all kinds of music if they can dance. But Jrock seems to have a deep-rooted insecurity that turns him into a classless rhythmless artless bully.
Jrock lost.fikshun won.when "foundation" is all someone has in their arsenal in 2020 it becomes a problem and this is why I respect the OGs like Mr.wiggles who know it all and doesn't hate on the new generation of dancers.OGs should understand dance has to evolve.most of the style purists i see nowadays are simply trying to recreate a watered down version of the 80s.as for this battle It's a W for the dance community.we need more of this.
@@llmrfantasticll he probably knew Jrock could do better than that and after watching a few of his battles I can see why he said so.its almost like in a boxing match if you are fighting a well established undefeated champion (in this case a popping OG) you will have to beat him convincingly or knock him out to get the judges nod of approval.i wish there were more OG's vs new school battles in the event.
Agreed. If all you have is foundation (which is essentially rhythm and said technique) in 2020, well...you look dated. And that's okay, if you want to keep the style 'pure' but to criticize the new gen for not doing 'as you all did' is just 😴😴😴. The new gen dances much more intricately to multiple parts of the music in more interesting and exciting ways.
You miss commenting on the great move by fik shun when he was leaning backwards while you were talking about who still listen to dubstep music, 8:20. I thought it was difficult move and Fik Shun executed it flawlessly! I'm not well verse in dance battles, but as fan of this type of dancing, this battle was not close in any round, Fik Shun killed J Poorloser IMO.
Hi Robert in this presentation I think the dancer dressed in so much clothes, the clothes ended up stealing a little bit of the performance. The most interesting thing is the dance itself.👍👍🙋♂️
The deffrense between them is J rock just shown anger in his dance, and fik shun shown beautifull musicality and hit every single beat!! fik shun moves are understandable in all the crowd even at people who never dance or dont know anything about dance impressed with these moves and understand them . J ROCK in the other hand us you said he stuck in the popping and popping doesnt fit in every music . JROCK must be more greative to fit his dance in other kinds of music . Thats all , they are amazing dancers both and I m fan of both.
I dunno man where to even judge from there's different perspectives one that favor either dancer : fikshun was full of concepts yes but traditional foundation wasn't exactly super strong but this was an all styles so from that perspective that definitely played to his strength most def And I will say this that I feel the DJ may have been a little lackluster for the event to be honest a dj can make or break an event sometimes , I cringed at that dubstep wobble moments , but j rock definitely brought the foundation but seeing as it was a battle against a dancer with a level of creativity like fikshun I just wish jrock would have explored more concepts , like how dope would it have been if he actually used the umbrella in the back yo , nevertheless these 2 definitely represent their points of view but hopefully a dancer eats up both sides teachings and spits out something phenomenal in a dancer : looking forward to your outlook on the full story of this battle not gonna lie its alot more fun the ride then destination lol ^w^
What I find ironic is that JRock was trashing on Fikshun for choreographing his rounds (apparently he thinks the water bottle is a choreo) but he decided to bring 2 dancers and choreograph bits with them. Like wtf?
I agree with that 5-0. Hiding behind “culture and history” doesn’t change the fact that he lost. A whole lot of excuses
Oh, snap! Didn't expect to see you here! I'm a big fan, BTW. God bless!
I wouldn't call it an epic battle but jrock got smoked, he brought goons, he called fik-shun out and didn't even go first in the battle and still lost. Worst thing he didn't even shake his hand in the end. He's supposed be an OG. But has no class
Supposedly they didn’t shake afterwards. According to J
@@jacobshreves5594 Did you not watch JRock's video that he posted? He said that they did shake after and made up.
Apologia5 I mean did* idk why i said didnt. Thanks for checking me
Dude battles back in the day was so different U can't blame an old timer stucked to his time 🤷
@@Apologia5 yeah it's easy to shake hands when everybody's gone and no one's there. It would've been true character if he did it right there and then. But no obviously he's playing the tough guy so he's not going to do it then.
Fikshun won. Dance is meant to be intriguing even to the normy "know nothing" that's what makes it amazing. So if poppers want to support jrock on the count of technique good luck . But look around ... this is not poppers con .And the crowd is not the poppers council. It's a dance battle so u better bring your skill with something fresh not the same popping moves we have aaaaaall seen before a thousand of times... like even with the crew he brought...even with the costumes. I was expecting more from him to be honest. But I guess CGI and animation will always be fiction. Pun intended
Fikshun smoked him
Exactly ! Fikshun took all the rounds .
I'm kinda disappointed by the battle itself. I thought J-Rock would bring way more to the table.
He said he wasnt taking it serious
@@longnghiem8312 he put in a lot of effort and put his reputation on the line. That's probably his excuse. He's got many.
Dude , i was present there ; and i know jrock wayyyy before anyone else , trust me he was being super easy,this was a part of his character. In fact fik shun didnt and cant battle jrock,ever in his life.
Funfact : fikshun choreographed the entire two rounds.
@@kck9542true said, he doesnt have anything to prove there, he did fik shun a favor. And dont get me wrong i had followed fik shun even before he went to So You Think You Can Dance, i admire what he does. But when it come to professional battle Jrock is out of his league.
@@longnghiem8312 I agree. Jrock should be able to curbstomp Fikshun. My point is that he didn't here.
It looked like JRock was to much in his feelings and it really got into his head. Reminds me of that Robozee vs Nelson battle years ago where Robozee got the same way and all his moves started not being clean.
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JRock lost and Broke Character...
He made street performers look bad
J Rock lost... It is what it is... I get where he was coming from but it was way too much for a call out battle... J Rock had nothing to prove but it seemed like he did so it made him look bad Unfortunately... Especially being a Vet in the culture... All he had to do was BE HIMSELF no theatrics... I’ve seen J Rock do way better in any other battle... This didn’t show J Rock full potential... That’s his own fault...
Fikshun was himself the whole time and didn’t care what was being thrown at him... He’s always been with the smoke since I’ve known him... He was like 14-15 tryna battle me when I was in my early 20s... He’s doing him and that’s all you need to bring to the battle... Be you 💯 and what happens happens... In this case he took a W...
I just done saying the same thing on Jrocks upload
Very good critique. Agreed.
Agree. Doesn't matter whether it's a call out or just a battle, he lost
Exactly right, Toshi. Fik-shun's being his authentic self, which is the usual for him. Go, Fik-shun! Indeed, you're an amazing dancer and you won every round.
I don’t understand why JRock wouldn’t shake his hand. That’s not cool.
Taking away the techniques and styles part, I always think wearing big loose jacket in popping battle never ends well. It just doesn’t work in visuals because it hides most of the subtle details. It doesn’t matter if it’s for theatricality. And bringing the crew choreography on 1 on 1 is always a Lose already.
Fikshun won the battle and that's clearly visible. I have a huge respect for J Rock . I follow him and he has got a really strong foundation but the way most of these underground dancers or OG's ( whatever you say ) present themselves is really boring for the normal crowd because they hardly understand what is scarecrow or what is a boogaloo walk out. After a certain point I find these people very restricted . They don't care what the crowd wants to watch, they just force their own things and make the crowd watch it. And yeah he really came with a lot of negativity . That really sucks man. He shouldn't have done this and could have presented himself in a more pleasing manner.
Clear win for Fik-shun! Insert your quarter JRock, game over.
JRock lost ...why would u call someone out then bring backups when u should b able to back urself up. No rules or not🤷🏽♀️🤦🏾♀️
its crazy how a bunch of haters think Fikshun is a tiktok dancer when this guy was a known street dancer before he went on SYTYCD. so he's definitely seasoned in entertaining the crowd with dance skills as well as tricks. he stayed true to himself in this battle, JRock seem like he had the most to prove instead of just sticking to what he does best.
Mmmhmm
Robert, what is the song name on the background u put at 15:05?
Come on Man i need that Song :)) please
When are they going to have trial for Fikshun for the murder of jrock
You nailed the commentary and review between these two. Fik Shun bleeds positivity and every dance is a happy dance. Fik Shun, though I don't know him, seems to be a genuinely decent and joyful person. I see it in his dance, he shines!
Totally agree!
I said this in your previous video talking of their battle coming up, "OGs are the most close minded group of ppl in the dance world...usually." And would you look at that, J Rock is showing just how close minded he is. A quote from another video I think had a lot of truth to it, "Smh this battle is a good example of why dancers shouldn't limit their dance vocabulary to one style only and call it (foundation) because you will eventually run in to a dancer like fik-shun and get demolished.dance style purists will always be at a disadvantage despite their skill and reputation.fik shun killed all rounds meanwhile Jrock killed the first round."
Where I differ is, I dont think J Rock killed any rounds. And it was so embarrassing that he used his cronies to chime in on his one on one battle. To be fair, the music wasnt poppin music...but there lies the problem, old school styles like poppin will NEVER keep up with styles that can utilize that gamut of music. And getting smoked in that gimmicky getup along with his cronies was cringy AF.
J Rock is delusional, like a relgious nutcase who is so wrapped up in tradition, they can never question their own belief systems. And that is a serious crutch. Hip-hop has so many different styles and he is stuck in just "old-school", poppin/lockin/animation/etc. But I guess he can stay in his echo chamber of ppl who think the same and be okay with that level of mediocrity.
Closed minded, yet you are closed minded to criticize JRock rather than the splatter style that Fiction has? Ask a boxer to be open minded to use kicks in boxing.... then get laughed at. I don't care if it is a "freestyle" battle; but if your specialty is strong, then you fire your strengths. I hope that the next generation shits on how you had it.
@@SlickRick4EVER Im criticizing certain thought patterns of dancers, not popping as a whole. And using kicks in boxing has nothing to do with being open minded, those are just simply rules. A better analogy would be say this Bruce Lee quote - “To be bound by traditional martial art style or styles is the way of the mindless, enslaved martial artist. But to be inspired by the traditional martial art and to achieve further heights is the way of genius.” Not arguing whether Bruce was a legit fighter or not, but we can see in MMA that its not smart to stick to one style. And if anything, a freestyle battle is more comparable to MMA.
Im not even a fan of Fik-Shun. I think if it was Slim Boogie who battled Fik-Shun, Slim would have taken it. Why? Because Slim has a larger library of movements to go with the sounds in music, and he is also great at dancing to non-popping music.
Im around the same age as JRock, maybe even older. I was bboying and popping from the mid-90s to late 2000s and I used to have a similar mindset as JRock. I can look at the new styles and actually appreciate how ppl have taken what was created in the past, then put their own spin on it.
Again, Im not criticizing a generation of dance, only the individual dancers who are enslaved by their own dogma.
@@foyo5497 "old school styles like poppin will NEVER keep up with styles that can utilize that gamut of music". I think Mt Pop vs Kuty would disagree with you.
@@good2go619 "Old school styles" is the key part here. You showed examples of 2 new school poppers. Me personally Ive always looked at Kuty as a hip-hop dancer with a lot of popping influence. But notice how Kuty and Mt. Pop utilize the gamut of music, which was my point. You dont see old schoolers like J Rock or Boogaloo Sam utilizing the music to the same level, let alone even dance to music that isnt "popping music".
I remember a battle between J Rock and Slim Boogie. A tight new school song came on I believe on the second round and the crowd got hype. Boogaloo Sam, one of the judges told them change the song saying "That aint popping music!". Thats some goofy old school nonsense lol
@@foyo5497 "old school styles like poppin" is how I read it because that's what you wrote. I interpreted that as you saying popping is an old school style. I understand your point, but think you could have written it better. I think you didn't need to talk about popping in generalities when your issue is with the traditional mindset of certain individuals.
Kuty is a hip hop dancer. I have never seen him in any popping battles. Kuty vs Mt Pop was an exhibition battle of hip hop vs popper. Also at this event was an exhibition battle of Icee vs Acky as well as other popper vs hip hop battles.
Nothing wrong with the costume. Its character and puts on a good show for the people, but I was letdown by Jrock in this battle. Seen him perform so much better in the past. Focusing so hard on dissing/battling the other person takes away from the dancing after a certain point.
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This music for the most part sucked and J shouldn’t wear coats and show the full Arsenal. Think he’s proving a point about popping.
I agree. The music was trash. They played retarded beats..if it was a real all styles battle. They should of played all genres: house, edm, trap, funk, hip hop, g funk and so forth. Give a dancer one song each, to their flavor.
After all, it is a battle. You can't and should not have anything requested or preseted by the Dj. All random son! 👍
On that note, i would also make each dancer. Dance to two different songs. To test musicality and skill. That way, it would be more fair.
I hope one day you get a chance to do a "what makes this dancer great" for MT Pop. IMO he's the next greenteck in terms of his impact on popping and the damage he has been doing in the battle scene. Like greenteck he's definitely a creative genius.
Any information about JD France cancelled? I am curious what happened. I do not understand french
They cancelled because they are concerned with CORVID-19 going around
first beat name?
I am putting my analysis on this video.
1. about the "back up dancers" on JRock's side, its the same thing as when larry /Laurent does 1v1 but has a quick hype/choreo moment in battles. so yes you can do that on 1v1 rounds.(on the same note, he is sending a message or a lesson from the west coast with all of what he has going on with the clothes and props, etc. most wont know but only the OGs do)
2. This is a battle and in battles its about facing your opponent, not the judges, not the crowd, just you and your opponent. So that matters A LOT!
3. Again this is a battle, which means taunting and intimidating your opponent is allowed (a lot of people don't like when people do it but it is allowed as long as there is no fighting) so what Jrock did is what battles come with.
4. This is an ALL STYLES BATTLE which means anything goes in terms of dancing and music. Now speaking of the 3rd round (the video that got cut off), it was funk, and fik-shun wasn't showing much funk or being in line with the music (which happens in all styles battle) so eventually the edge will go in the opponents favor when its a music that vibes more with the dancer's style (which also wins the battle) and 4th round was dubstep which both was having a hard time with so the point is who ever vibes with the music most usually gets the edge.
5. Because there was no judges, ABSOLUTELY NO ONE except the dancers themselves can say who won and who lost. Fans can suck up all they want but most fans don't know how to dance let alone have knowledge of it. You can have your opinion of who won for sure, you can say fik-shun won, you can say JRock won, but at the end of the day you have no say in the matter when it comes to this because fans will always stick to whoever they are fans of aka BIAS. Only the dancers will admit who won.
It doesn't matter who I think won, but I do have to say at the end of the battle I like to give a hand shake or a pound to show respect but in some cases if someone takes it too seriously they wont. So it is what it is.....a battle.
That the point people r stupid and dont undersatand anything about foundation and history think its like competition which is funny, they know a little about callout and street culture. Thanks for saying this.
This is honestly the best comment i've seen coming out this battle
dude, best comment
People say this, but please note a 1 on 1 battle where one backed up the other. They only do it in 2v2 events where they're partners and it's permitted. They've danced solo plenty like at Summer Dance Forever, HHI 2012, Red Bull BC One 2016, WOD San Diego, Battle Bad 2019, and other events that are 1 on 1 and I've never seen them back each other up. I think the only issue with JRock's taunting was when he chest bumped him and then when he went into his ear, that's too much.
@@TooneUntitled I've seen a lot of battles where they've done it even in 1v1. And as for him getting in his face, again it's allowed, just nnot a lot of ppl like when it happens. I don't like it myself but it's a battle and tries to get in your opponent's head
JRock played himself. All of that talk about how Fikshun has nothing but gimmicks and choreographed sets but as soon as it''s time to battle Fikshun, JRock is the one who's coming with costumes and props and didn't do anything noteworthy with any of them throughout the entire battle. He even broke character several times which is funny since he swears that he's a better animator than Fikshun, who actually did animate a few times in the battle AND stayed in character. JRock got 5'0'd by a so-called Tik ToK/commercial dancer (JRock's words) that he swore that he was better than in every aspect of dancing. Oh well.
I always wondered where the term “commandos” came from in dance. That’s what we call them in House Dance too.
No idea loll
Also funny enough I saw the memes in the group BEFORE i even saw this battle which led me to find the battle hahahahaa the memes are killin me haaaa
It don't matter if you know west coast or east coast style of dancing what matters is how GIFTED you are and the amount of hours you put into your craft so judging by this FIK-SHUN IS Light Years BETTER FIK-SHUN IS FAR MORE VERSATILE
11:18 "Oh no not again" 😭😭
account Random lol, and also I thought it was supposed to be a one on one battle.
Jrock should of done his research fik shun won. You cant stop Evolution new gen all the way. Wish there was better choice of music.
Miata_Erik please elaborate. What research?
MARABEL YabOi jrock should of research fikshun battles in the past
Ya that may have helped . New gen is a lot of old gen with new twist . Paying respect to the forefathers is part of that journey. You’ll be old gen one day
@@miata_erik3817 Why would one research their opponents battle? Just to see what blowups they use? Thats kinda low imo
MARABEL YabOi it would of helped jrock, fik shun was way more entertaining than jrock.
Jroks animation is forced. He looks like he's doing animation, but he doesn't LOOK animated. Big difference. But he's good. Fikshun won.
I can't believe Jay rock did an interview an said he Battle the whole LA bopping crew wow.
Agree with your commentary Rob 100% Fikshun was just so much more diverse. And he had much more creativity in his concepts. And he just all around played his character perfectly. JRock needs to take his L and be humble about it. I've seen better rounds from both gentlemen. But in this battle, Fikshun took it hands down.
lol jrock went in the facebook group with that "DIS IS WESTCOAST DYUH" shit xD
This is the full round right here some shit was cut out of the vid u saw here: I happened to catch it just 15 mins after he (JRock) posted it on his channel, it's footage from the other camera man in the hat that we see in this vid. I think they're both awesome Im no one to choose a winner lol
Thanks for the link! It's cool to see the 2 different angles. This one and the one Robert showed.
@@tb303wpf1 You're welcome. I liked seeing both angles also :)
fikshun is a cartoon, how 'd he expect to defeat him with his linear moves.....
JRock did not impress me at all, and Fikshun did not even bring his best material. 5-0 Fikshun
For JRock: OK. BOOMER.
Fikshun won, thats a fact. But i have to say, the music was shit for a Popper..
And btw, Jay Rock wants a 1vs1 and he came with a fake ass Jabbawookez😂
Footage Never LIES.
Damn you're the robert muraine from the group =))
Hahahaha yes indeed
12:26 - Royalty-free 'Remember the Name'?
J from J Rock stands for Jerk or what's up?
I definitely give the W to fik-shun, but I still enjoy J-rocks style and attitude. The way Jrock is always promoting and spreading the word of old school popping brings something great to dance.
Truth is, it's a bit absurd to compare 2 styles that are so different. They both work really well if but into the right context. LIke if you put ranch dressing on apple pie, it would taste pretty bad. Does that mean ranch dressing is terrible? No. It just means it's not suited to for that particular context.
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I don't know why ppl say that Jrock called out Fik Shun when on Fik Shun's Instagram he was the one that issued out an open challenge, Jrock was just the one to accept that challenge.
Fik Shun won
J rock knew he lost. He had to bring excuses on why he won saying people uneducated on the culture he tried to represent. He failed though because he brought it to a battle. He forgets it’s a new era and it’s fine because us youngins keep everything alive and evolving. It’s not that we don’t care for history. Just shit changes. J rock lost clearly. Fik shun won. If J rock needs to explain why he won then he already knew he lost
Your analysis is really insightful
Thank you
Saw jrock & his crew (Popula, a chick called Lady Sheeva or somethin) back at Best of the Best in KC bout '03 or so. All the big faces there - Wiggles, Salah, Suga Pop, etc etc.
I'll never forget the faces. It was easy to see who just wanted to have fun & was happy to be there....vs who was trying to prove somethin, get famous, etc.
Jrock went hard no doubt, but I barely saw him smile - like it was more about bein' serious than just havin a good time. Anyway. That was my first impression.
Much respect to both. Been following the scene for almost 20 years now, and my favorite thing about it is & always will be the fun, the silliness, the creativity, laughter, friendships etc. To me that's the difference between being 'good' & 'great'.
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I definitely had Fikshun winning the battle 100%. The music was pretty bad after the first two rounds though. Fikshun easily took round 2 and I think he edged him out the first round. The last 2 rounds just were off to me from both sides. I think Fikshun did better on the second to last song, but neither were really feeling it, can't blame them though. It's on the DJ. I think this battle came down to all-styles vs one style kinda like you said how JRock wasn''t adapting. I think his attitude was fine though for a callout battle, but I do think he came off bad since he wasn't killing it. To me if you're gonna be like that you have to kill it.
The 2nd round cut off
I was there. Jrock is a much better dancer than that, and everyone (especially you Fantastic) in the popping community knows that. The outfit honestly took away from his dance and the details in it. The music that whole night was more geared towards meme dancers. I mean there were a lot of amazing dancers there, but thats just their thing in that community. Totally different atmosphere than what poppers are used to. When they played "Vivrant Thing" by Q-Tip, I really started to cringe. When they played "Sexy Dancer" by Prince, I got hype as fuck but I'm sure you edited it out cause of copyright issues? To me that was the one round where Jrock really shined, and even still he could have done WAY better. Both great dancers, but that reminded me of when you get in a battle in a trendy club and they are just playing shitty music. Jrock needed to adapt, but he didn't.
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I didn't think it was even close at all. Fikshun looked incredible.
I think fikshun was freestyling the whole dance
It really was not close at all
please explain the whole story in your next vid please!
here's part 1 if you havent caught it yet :]
ruclips.net/video/OqMRzuWblfk/видео.html
Even if there are no rule that don't mean the whole neighborhood can jump in
to be fair,i felt the battle was rigged entirely.the music choice was favored more to fikshun,which backs up the claim that fikshun's rounds were choreographed
"Oh no, not again" best comment in the video
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"This is not a popping battle" Is that your way of saying don't mind his attempts to do so?
Nope!
Good video. I love watching the battle videos Agree, I love the character and costume of J Rock. Fik-shun, on point and engaging as usual. Seems odd that J-Rock brought backup dancers....but as you said, there's no rules. (To me it came off like trying too hard. And trying too hard never screams "cool" to me.) Some reason I didn't get a notification - but I'm here now.
Thanks again for watching :)
7:57 was exactly my reaction too lmfao 😂😂😂😂😂
History is history.... future is the future..... whatever the history was....but fikshun danced better than jrock
Jrock won, and if people cared enough to watch the interviews after you would understand his rationale for everything . Jrock says he knew fikshun was practicing water bottle
Choreography so when he went for the bottle jrock knew during his own round what was coming. Tainted the water bottle round for me , plus after he dropped the water bottle
Fikshun was off beat the rest of the entire round. People don’t see this??? I’ve watched some fikshun solos on stage after the battle and I see very little difference between his rounds vs jrock and his performances . I don’t feel inspired when I see his rounds because they don’t look spontaneous . When he was free styling I liked it , but having to dissect what looked like choreography between everything was exhausting to watch . Both sides used choreography yes, but from an originality standpoint jrock took it , I’ve never seen anything like it before in a battle . If You wanted to see fikshun perform on stage you could just watch this battle. Anyways love for both dancers. No disrespect this is my
Honest opinion.
If you have to explain why you won, then you already lost.
Robert Muraine do you feel as if jrock is misinterpreted? Because I do. I feel like fikshun was preparing for a stage battle , and jrock was preparing for a street battle .
Nicely said. JRock won in my opinion but that is only based on what I prefer in a battle. Every deciding who won is being subjective. I prefer foundation, technique, many different styles and not being off beat. JRock was clearly better in those ways. Fikshun over does his facial expressions for my liking, relies too much on tricks and concepts, off beat, poor foundation etc.
@@Apologia5 I believe fikshun won
Jrocks popping and hits were to repetitive and the flow of music didn't fit him he was also relying too much on his props .
it was an all style battle that they both agreed to fik shun won and he had more creativity and simplicity
Fikshun 👏🏻 his cheeks and I feel like he could’ve went harder if they played better music.
Yeah J Rocks Saltiness literally makes this shit cringe. Fik Shun went in , No Shake at the end literally what a bitch. Garage dancer right there, first time I heard of him, last time I'll ever watch.
Fik shun won
Yup fikshun ate him like a monster
Remember...musicality is EVERYTHING!!! Fikshun got this
They are commandos......while
looking like the cobra commander....... i cant get cobra commando out of my head
Repeated popping and locking moves from j-rock with drama added but little variety ( notwithstanding respect due to his history expierience and west coast roots) However Fikshun lots of clean moves , variety and skills and in my view smoked J-Rock.......if I’d have watched this without sound and running commentary I’d have come to same conclusion!!!
Robert said that JRock was "bringing a lot of negativity to the circle," but it's a battle and there was tension and beef already. Also he was in character in a battle, beast mode, so he's not going to come all friendly at him. You could also argue that Fikshun brought bad vibes too during the battle with his gestures and comments during JRock's rounds. Also, judging these battles all comes down to personal preference and opinion. Murraine is more theatrical and an entertainer (as well as a great dancer) and so of course he would like Fikshun's water bottle routine and shoe tricks, whereas other dancers thought it was just whack and another trick/concept/gimmick that Fikshun usuallys relies on.
Robert, did you not think that JRock had better foundation, technique and more styles (all styles?) Scarecrow, puppet, animation, popping, locking, snaking etc. and that he did those styles better than Fikshun? Also, you should have mentioned JRocks video that he posted where he explains in great detail the purpose of the crew members and how he DID shake Fikshun's hand after. What did you think of JSmooths comment on Jade's post and in the Whats Poppin group, talking about Fikshun being off beat, relying on punchlines, no foundation and not incorporating many styles since it was an all styles battle?
If you have to explain why you won, then you already lost.
@@llmrfantasticll In his video he was educating people and explaining the history behind the costume and crew. I didn't see it as explaining why he won. And even if JRock was explaining why he won, wouldn't that just be educating people and dropping some knowledge so that they can view battles in a different way? I think it would be a good thing if JRock explained to the haters why he won, it wouldn't mean that therefore he didn't win, it would just be. educating the tik tok youtube haters
My problem is the music doesnt support animation
Your commentary is always on point. fikshun obviously won, but the music did not suit jrock at all. poppers like slim boogie or creesto could probably adapt to those songs, but he couldn't, his rounds just felt off... this battle was pretty weird either way lol
Exactly, not many poppers have been keen on the idea of adapting to the new era. Those that have are at the top, like those you mentioned ;)
@@llmrfantasticll was bout to say something and u proved my point. That's no excuse cause as dancers we should be able to adapt to virtually any music selection 💯
I opened youtube to search for the footage. Watched your vid instead
🤣💯💯💯👍
same
Hes wearing a costume which adds to the effect of ani, take the outfit off and battle
Bro I think you should do a second video comentating on straight dance. Even though it was "allstyle", there was some stuff that. Deserve more elaboration. To me, it felt like Fikshun foundation was week. At the same time, JRock presentation of his concept was week. And, aside from gimmicks and tricks all dances has some criteria that underlines all styles, travel through space, ground moves, balance, directions, body control etc
Both dancers are real high level. I think fikshun is a crazy high level dancer, and so is J rock. This makes me sad because I love both dancers, but I am an OG popper at heart, and fikshun won this battle. Not because of any other reason than the venue and music was fikshuns fit. I would say a draw because I didn't like the music. They should do a followup match. A match with OG music, and more of a traditional popping type match. Just a og popping match because it would be more Jrocks element.... This was not a good battle... You guys know what I mean? What do you think? Im no expert, just my opinions...
Battle question? How is music chosen? Random or DJ? Cause if that was DJ that was a really bad playlist. "Hmm, this guy looks like they just dug him up out of the grave, let me play a super live and up beat song. " I would off started with Travis Scott - prayer and ended with Outkast- whole world.
The DJ worked with the host and venue to play a specific kind of music for the venue and the battle. It wasn’t random, it was selected specifically. The battlers selected the genres and felt the music was fair and good.
JRock got killed, Fik- Shun put on a hand down straight massacre....JRock loss a soon as he had these other shadow figures join in with the battle, a battle like this is supposed to be one on one. But in all Fik-Shun won all round....
JRock is boring AF. I could watch Fik-shun all day.
Both have a Nice style. Jrock didnt adapt , showed off I feel like I wanted to prove something instead of just be it. Fikshun won has it was an AllStyle Battle not a Popping Battle his style fits the moment and is entertaining. Jrock is mad because of the memes
Jrock tryna make it 3 on 1 against fik shun 🤣🤣🤣
Rock needs a different perspective on life. He still the same. Stink attitude
Yeah. He's had that attitude ever since I first met him, well over a decade ago. Toxic negativity that makes him dance worse. When he's not negative and just dancing and focused on the music, he's a good dancer. When he gets negative, it's hard to watch (cringe-y and uncomfortable). Poppers should be able to dance to all kinds of music if they can dance. But Jrock seems to have a deep-rooted insecurity that turns him into a classless rhythmless artless bully.
Fikshun killed j rock.
Jrock lost.fikshun won.when "foundation" is all someone has in their arsenal in 2020 it becomes a problem and this is why I respect the OGs like Mr.wiggles who know it all and doesn't hate on the new generation of dancers.OGs should understand dance has to evolve.most of the style purists i see nowadays are simply trying to recreate a watered down version of the 80s.as for this battle It's a W for the dance community.we need more of this.
Wiggles called this battle a tie 🤷♂️
@@llmrfantasticll he probably knew Jrock could do better than that and after watching a few of his battles I can see why he said so.its almost like in a boxing match if you are fighting a well established undefeated champion (in this case a popping OG) you will have to beat him convincingly or knock him out to get the judges nod of approval.i wish there were more OG's vs new school battles in the event.
BLACK LION that’s a good point, but I felt like this battle wasn’t fit under any unifying rules, thus rendering the crowd judges, not the ‘academics’.
@@llmrfantasticll I agree.
Agreed. If all you have is foundation (which is essentially rhythm and said technique) in 2020, well...you look dated. And that's okay, if you want to keep the style 'pure' but to criticize the new gen for not doing 'as you all did' is just 😴😴😴. The new gen dances much more intricately to multiple parts of the music in more interesting and exciting ways.
I think JRock his custome was a bit distracting.. Fikshun definitely won the battle.
Ofcourse fikshun won. J rock sucked .
dance lover15 straight up 👌🏾
I bet jrocks buddies are happy they kept the masks on though. Identity hid, forever. 🤣👏
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Real king of popping is poppin john
If battle was bettween nonstop and fiction then i m sure nonstop will win
Real dancer in the world is ...nonstop
You miss commenting on the great move by fik shun when he was leaning backwards while you were talking about who still listen to dubstep music, 8:20. I thought it was difficult move and Fik Shun executed it flawlessly! I'm not well verse in dance battles, but as fan of this type of dancing, this battle was not close in any round, Fik Shun killed J Poorloser IMO.
Hi Robert in this presentation I think the dancer dressed in so much clothes, the clothes ended up stealing a little bit of the performance. The most interesting thing is the dance itself.👍👍🙋♂️
Just dance people that's what we want to see JRock is cool but Fik-Shun got this deal!
JRock killed himself
My boy fikshun is always legend🤞🤞🙅
No putty memes or comments? Those were the best ones.
i made this before the puttys were there lol
Jrock lost every round, easy win for Fik-shun
I completely agree on the Eminem reference.
The deffrense between them is J rock just shown anger in his dance, and fik shun shown beautifull musicality and hit every single beat!! fik shun moves are understandable in all the crowd even at people who never dance or dont know anything about dance impressed with these moves and understand them . J ROCK in the other hand us you said he stuck in the popping and popping doesnt fit in every music . JROCK must be more greative to fit his dance in other kinds of music . Thats all , they are amazing dancers both and I m fan of both.
I dunno man where to even judge from there's different perspectives one that favor either dancer : fikshun was full of concepts yes but traditional foundation wasn't exactly super strong but this was an all styles so from that perspective that definitely played to his strength most def
And I will say this that I feel the DJ may have been a little lackluster for the event to be honest a dj can make or break an event sometimes , I cringed at that dubstep wobble moments , but j rock definitely brought the foundation but seeing as it was a battle against a dancer with a level of creativity like fikshun I just wish jrock would have explored more concepts , like how dope would it have been if he actually used the umbrella in the back yo , nevertheless these 2 definitely represent their points of view but hopefully a dancer eats up both sides teachings and spits out something phenomenal in a dancer : looking forward to your outlook on the full story of this battle not gonna lie its alot more fun the ride then destination lol ^w^