Hmmm. This ship looks very different in your hands. Played 5 games to complete the mission that came with it, and mothballed it. It steers like a brick, and needs to be played like a cruiser. Very reminiscent of the Soviet line to me. I’m not a huge fan of the original German line after T-61, but play well in them. Guess I’ll break out my Soviet play book and try again. Haven’t picked up any new French cruisers yet. Thanks for the review. Love your work!
i had not planned to bother with this line but then i got Z-31 out of a bundle and now she is my favorite ship, 25k HP on a DD at T6 is nuts and the AP absolutely crushes cruisers and BBs, 10/10 line
I love the Elbing for that very reason. Once I got the Z-31 I built it as full gun AP focus and it just shreds. Sitting at distance smacking iowas as they sail by is hilarious
Got the t6 love it and yes also got the t6 french hvy i was surprised with the fun factor, with the long reload you have to to reposition( good thing) also shes fast and with the speed boost jaaaa winggg your zipping along..so ya im pleased.
I have all the good commanders thanks for showing these ships I love gunboats im going to give them a try. I love kaba so I should probably like these. I actually excited to try them I love gunboating
Nice vid, Derka. Finally a new DD line to get excited about (looking at you, Italian DDs). I had a Kraken in my first match in the Z-31 on stream last week and I'm saving my first match in Toulon for my next stream, cause streamers/new ship RNG, am I right?!
my concern with this line, much like the soviet dd's, is that they take a dd slot yet cant do the dd role of spotting, capping contesting. Thats why I dislike the soviet dd's as they play like small cruisers. Most dont get that and will be screaming at you to cap etc. It takes a patient play style for sure.
I will say, though, that they're at least more capable of doing typical DD things than the Soviet DDs because their concealment is actually not too bad (pretty much on par with Friesland). They do have even worse manoeuvrability than the Red DDs, though. So still not ideal for it but they are kinda better in a pinch. I have Z31 myself and with my setup on Bey, I can theoretically get her detectability down to 5.2km with Swirzki as an inspiration. Not bad for a long range gunboat.
Indeed, but if you really want fun and slap run mortar. Detection range goes up to 6kms, but the damage output is amazing. Just means you’re best suited to patrolling caps rather than pushing in to them, especially if there are a lot of DD’s per side.
I never met a German DD that I didn't like...they're generally very good but these new ones are definitely a departure from the usual...I am liking what I am seeing in this video. And oh, by the way...I just got the Ohio yesterday...
Those things seems really nice, mmore interesting than the lesser Dunkerque we got for french cruisers (yeah i'm not a fan of those design wise, plain stupid to get the blueprint of a ship all higher in tier than said ship) but anyway i can't wait to get my hands on both these lines still The urge you got to shoot at the Atago at end was fun to see tho xD
I couldn't resist haha waited till every single turret was facing right. Excited to try the French ships still but already know the excitement will leave fast lol
I’ve found the HE useful. 12% fire chance is serviceable/adequate, light a couple fires, under ten km, AP time 🤷🏻♂️. Schultz has improved pen angles and pen, 6/7 only have angles
In blitz you use AP until dds go stupid close, at which point you will overpen them. They aren’t really destroyers, more scout cruiser especially Elbing. Btw the German battlecruiser and alt destroyer torps move at 50 knots. Not the slowest because black is sailing 47 knot torps but still. I have no plans for this line but who knows.
Derka, with respect, you and other CC are the ones making this thing a cruiser with your builds. You are the issue. I have played around with loads of builds and quite frankly the guns need zero help, yet you are all pushing up the damage/range at ref expense of concealment. I’ve settled on Blue with sims and bey, because it is a destroyer. 39knts without speed boast, 4.4s rudder 30k hp, and retaining crazy Ap, while more importantly retaining 5.6km concealment(average at the tier). Boom, a destroyer, not robbing your team of a DD slot. Can leap straight in the cap with out without support knowing you will win that fight and move off to the next cap/dd at pace. Less ego boast with slightly less range damage against BB, but win more games. Please do consider looking at my build stats above and yours and considering is it the ship or the captain wasting a DD slot.
I been loving z31 i got over 3100 xp on my last 3 games. There very slow but the guns are spicy. And when bbs shoot they over lead because they expect u to be fast lol
Not sure I would go with your build, I don’t think the guns need any help, having played loads of back to back games with bey or blue at helm, 8 settled on blue. 5.6 concealment, 5.2s reload 39knts before boost. Thinks and animal. I one on one an amagi in it in open water
@@wilhelmt.muller170 yeah I’m aware of this, I’m just trying to figure out how they’re both going to play with one being a tech tree and the other being a premium. Seems like they’re almost identical aside from gun placement
Schultz has better turret traverse, more range, faster reload, better HE, and speed boost. Elbingbong has more health, longer duration smokes, better torps, and slightly better AP performance I believe.
Giving up your detectability for 10ish % reload is a mistake, you’re gonna shred anything that is comparable regardless. You won’t beat anyone to cap but you’re just slow enough to get there after they’ve smoked and then you smoke them 😂 The French cruisers are actually very similar to these destroyers in the fact that if you play them as mini battleships you’ll have fun, but if you play them like a cruiser you’re going to have issues. They’re made for going after battle cruisers and they’re good at that. Don’t be a scout and don’t try to play peekaboo with islands.
@@blackpriest14 I’m kinda getting them to work now, but I had to use Scharnhorst as the commander. Playing them with a destroyer commander wasn’t working for me. Even with a commander I set up just for Elbing. Scharnhorst seems to give a workable play style.
I knew i would love these when I hit a Martel for 20k and devstruck him in my first game with Maerker.
whoah! I haven't got to witness that yet. soon tho i hope!
“These shells clap cheeks.”
Lmao accurate way to describe it. Had a Merk taking some nice chunks from my superstructure while in my Rooke.
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Can't wait to play these ships. Thanks for the review.
you bet!
Nicely played Derka. Always good to hear views on new ships. Hope to get one of these through this update.🍻
Thank you!
Hmmm. This ship looks very different in your hands. Played 5 games to complete the mission that came with it, and mothballed it. It steers like a brick, and needs to be played like a cruiser. Very reminiscent of the Soviet line to me. I’m not a huge fan of the original German line after T-61, but play well in them. Guess I’ll break out my Soviet play book and try again. Haven’t picked up any new French cruisers yet. Thanks for the review. Love your work!
It took me several games to figure them out if I'm being honest, do appreciate your kind words tho! Thank you
i had not planned to bother with this line but then i got Z-31 out of a bundle and now she is my favorite ship, 25k HP on a DD at T6 is nuts and the AP absolutely crushes cruisers and BBs, 10/10 line
I wasn't expecting it either!
I love the Elbing for that very reason. Once I got the Z-31 I built it as full gun AP focus and it just shreds. Sitting at distance smacking iowas as they sail by is hilarious
Great video and helpful information.
Glad it was helpful!
*gonna definitely play them like destroyers*
Yeah!
This is exciting. I have a high win rate playing solo in Z-23 but I stopped playing it because it’s very capable but just not very fun.
Agreed, kinda gets the job done? but a little mundane
Got all 4 new ships and so far after around 10 matches with each I like the z31 the most 👍
She looks cool! That HP is nuts lol
Got the t6 love it and yes also got the t6 french hvy i was surprised with the fun factor, with the long reload you have to to reposition( good thing) also shes fast and with the speed boost jaaaa winggg your zipping along..so ya im pleased.
I'm excited to test her out!
Great video Derka!!
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I have all the good commanders thanks for showing these ships I love gunboats im going to give them a try. I love kaba so I should probably like these. I actually excited to try them I love gunboating
Oh yeah if you like Khab this is for you!
Nice vid, Derka. Finally a new DD line to get excited about (looking at you, Italian DDs). I had a Kraken in my first match in the Z-31 on stream last week and I'm saving my first match in Toulon for my next stream, cause streamers/new ship RNG, am I right?!
Lol it does happen! Nicely done 🤌
Hmm, might have to have a try with these things, I haven’t seen these destroyers yet in my team. But they look nice especially the tier 8
Yeah worth looking at 😀
Got wrecked by the tier 7 in my Friesland. Looking forward to trying them myself.
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Hope you enjoy them!
nice game derka the maerker is fun i need to play it some more
Yeah the old JG Wentworth is not bad, not bad
Heard your interview on Back to Port yesterday.👍
Thanks for listening!
Great review
Thank you!
my concern with this line, much like the soviet dd's, is that they take a dd slot yet cant do the dd role of spotting, capping contesting. Thats why I dislike the soviet dd's as they play like small cruisers. Most dont get that and will be screaming at you to cap etc. It takes a patient play style for sure.
Yeah you're right =/ 1000% gotta be patient, it's tough but a fun playstyle
I will say, though, that they're at least more capable of doing typical DD things than the Soviet DDs because their concealment is actually not too bad (pretty much on par with Friesland).
They do have even worse manoeuvrability than the Red DDs, though. So still not ideal for it but they are kinda better in a pinch.
I have Z31 myself and with my setup on Bey, I can theoretically get her detectability down to 5.2km with Swirzki as an inspiration. Not bad for a long range gunboat.
Indeed, but if you really want fun and slap run mortar. Detection range goes up to 6kms, but the damage output is amazing. Just means you’re best suited to patrolling caps rather than pushing in to them, especially if there are a lot of DD’s per side.
kinda true. also devided on those class disguised ships
@@benmiz9742 I honestly haven't been minding the 6.2km detection. It's worth it for the 4500 AP alpha lol it's insane
I never met a German DD that I didn't like...they're generally very good but these new ones are definitely a departure from the usual...I am liking what I am seeing in this video.
And oh, by the way...I just got the Ohio yesterday...
Enjoy Ohio!! Tons of fun
Those things seems really nice, mmore interesting than the lesser Dunkerque we got for french cruisers (yeah i'm not a fan of those design wise, plain stupid to get the blueprint of a ship all higher in tier than said ship) but anyway i can't wait to get my hands on both these lines still
The urge you got to shoot at the Atago at end was fun to see tho xD
I couldn't resist haha waited till every single turret was facing right. Excited to try the French ships still but already know the excitement will leave fast lol
Interesting line for sure, I don't have any yet but thanks for the heads up! 20mm side plating and great AP 🤣
indeed!
25mm.
Most DDs can pen 20mm.
I’ve found the HE useful. 12% fire chance is serviceable/adequate, light a couple fires, under ten km, AP time 🤷🏻♂️. Schultz has improved pen angles and pen, 6/7 only have angles
12% not bad...nothing like my Tashkent build lol but decent
@@DerkaGames it’s definitely usable, surprisingly ungerman…lol
Sanks going for the ram with JB?? :) Great vid Derka. Still i wont be able to play with them German DDs yet since i must finish first other lines.
Sank is reformed now!!! He went for the drive by on Iowa
@@DerkaGames I wonder what you told him to make him drive by instead of ramming...?
@@aliengoa0 lol who knows 🤣 if he would've pulled the drive by off it would have been sick
In blitz you use AP until dds go stupid close, at which point you will overpen them. They aren’t really destroyers, more scout cruiser especially Elbing. Btw the German battlecruiser and alt destroyer torps move at 50 knots. Not the slowest because black is sailing 47 knot torps but still. I have no plans for this line but who knows.
Derka, with respect, you and other CC are the ones making this thing a cruiser with your builds. You are the issue. I have played around with loads of builds and quite frankly the guns need zero help, yet you are all pushing up the damage/range at ref expense of concealment. I’ve settled on Blue with sims and bey, because it is a destroyer. 39knts without speed boast, 4.4s rudder 30k hp, and retaining crazy Ap, while more importantly retaining 5.6km concealment(average at the tier). Boom, a destroyer, not robbing your team of a DD slot. Can leap straight in the cap with out without support knowing you will win that fight and move off to the next cap/dd at pace. Less ego boast with slightly less range damage against BB, but win more games. Please do consider looking at my build stats above and yours and considering is it the ship or the captain wasting a DD slot.
Super Fight.
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Greetings from Germany.
Thank you! 👍
Mahan fits me, even the odd 9 klm torps work well for me. but I cant control Black, there is something I dont get right on that DD LOL
That must be PC?
I been loving z31 i got over 3100 xp on my last 3 games. There very slow but the guns are spicy. And when bbs shoot they over lead because they expect u to be fast lol
Hey derka
I love my elbing you think this line is worth exploring ?
You think the schultz will be better then the elbing ?
Unsure if it will be better? Supposedly will just be built a little different, guess we'll see!
French cruisers were ok toulon was good could only get one good match out of the Cherbourg but will give it more of a chance
Im eager to check them out
THE YOINKERS ARE BACK!!!
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@@DerkaGames it's the return of the dicktators, and I'm all for it. This is where the fun begins. 😈😈
Still hit more torps in this compared to shiratsuyu. Shiratsuyu is the one destroyer i can never land torps on so i just play it as a gunboat
What's your commander set up for these?
Went up in a game against you 2 nights ago and I’m glad I didn’t get clipped in a vid ☠️
Sure I didn't get dev struck? 😀 ggs
Isn't the new line the one where Elbing belongs?
I like the line. Better than just playing stealth torp ship 😮💨
Yeah. Elbing would be the tree topper for the line. But weegee decided to make it a t8. Kinda weird tier change like somers or plymouth
Not sure I would go with your build, I don’t think the guns need any help, having played loads of back to back games with bey or blue at helm, 8 settled on blue. 5.6 concealment, 5.2s reload 39knts before boost. Thinks and animal. I one on one an amagi in it in open water
What will be the difference between Felix Schultz and Elbing? On PC Elbing is the tier X and FS is tier IX but they’re both gonna be tier VIII here
Schultz has one if the turret amid ship while elbing has 1 front, 2 at the back
@@wilhelmt.muller170 yeah I’m aware of this, I’m just trying to figure out how they’re both going to play with one being a tech tree and the other being a premium. Seems like they’re almost identical aside from gun placement
Thats a good question, and one I cannot answer im afraid
Schultz has better turret traverse, more range, faster reload, better HE, and speed boost. Elbingbong has more health, longer duration smokes, better torps, and slightly better AP performance I believe.
@@archiehllee thanks for sharing
I've heard the French cruisers are only good if you can flank and get broadsides and are pretty useless otherwise.
interesting, eager to see them in action
Giving up your detectability for 10ish % reload is a mistake, you’re gonna shred anything that is comparable regardless. You won’t beat anyone to cap but you’re just slow enough to get there after they’ve smoked and then you smoke them 😂 The French cruisers are actually very similar to these destroyers in the fact that if you play them as mini battleships you’ll have fun, but if you play them like a cruiser you’re going to have issues. They’re made for going after battle cruisers and they’re good at that. Don’t be a scout and don’t try to play peekaboo with islands.
Seems to be working okay for me! Have 100% win rate in 11 games, 2200+ (I believe) avg xp
I didn't like the slap you gave me yesterday, lol I'm just kidding, you played a lot
What game?
@@DerkaGames Last night, I was with Mainz and you were with Hawke in division
@@SenhorRaposa13ALBR ggs I turned the game off after that lol. If I just could've caught the Loyang....
@@DerkaGames Yes, I didn't expect that save, you saved that Odin
Hi
Hello
RNG saved ur a** 9:17
That's world of warships
I am german but i cant say her name. Its the damm (ae) in her name
I thought it was just pronounced M - ERK- ER
Its probably pronounced Like maker in english
Same but I read it Märker? Dachte das ist richtig 😂
Hmmm, note to self... German alt line destroyer very weak to ap, keep that
Indeed, i ran into a Kitikaze last night, dude had AP loaded and was melting me
What the Italians destroyers should've been smh
Its the Merkel,not the Maerker
Stole my joke, reported
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Um, what? Im a destroyer main, and these suck
na, they are strong. checl my review as well foe reasons. Derka is correkt in his assessment. greets from a dd main
na, they are strong. checl my review as well foe reasons. Derka is correkt in his assessment. greets from a dd main
@@blackpriest14 I’m kinda getting them to work now, but I had to use Scharnhorst as the commander. Playing them with a destroyer commander wasn’t working for me. Even with a commander I set up just for Elbing. Scharnhorst seems to give a workable play style.
Nope, ships a turd.
I can’t watch your videos, bro. You goofballs with your zoom in/zoom out shenanigans give me motion sickness.
Just learn how to aim, my guy.
GIT GUD
I get better concealment on elbing with lutjens than with bey so I'll probably play this line like an agile cruiser
Interesting take