Why an independence fight is sweeping French New Caledonia
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The French-ruled island of New Caledonia is in a state of civil unrest following the adoption of a controversial electoral reform bill on May 15, 2024. The measure allows recent immigrants to participate in local elections. But the historically marginalised indigenous Kanaks say the change would further dilute their voting bloc. Paris has accused pro-independence groups of fuelling the unrest.
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So funny. There's protest in Paris to free Palestine. But France still have Colonies.
That's how they roll. Hypocrites.
France supports israel. its the village idi0ts that support palestine.
Funnly enough the french goverment support israel and the ones who are protesting probably will support this independence movement
the NC protesters are the local rabbles who , cant make it to the higher echelon of society . They were duped by the deceit of azerbajian , they probably promised them riches beyond their wildest dreams.
Make you wonder if most French even know the island exist
3rd biggest Nickle production in the world. If you wonder why the French still there.
Always about resources. Never use your own if you can take someone else’s.
If New Caledonia became independent it would turn into a country like Singapore or Israel. Instead, like all French colonies it is poor and stripped.
Not really just France alone. Australia and the U.S. want France there too, because if China sets up a military base on the island they could effectively encircle Australia and blockade our eastern seaboard. This would greatly threaten Australian naval forces in the pacific and may provide China a launch platform for an invasion of Australia and New Zealand. Or it could even be used to house Chinas growing nuclear sub fleet which will provide it the opportunity to annihilate major Australian cities and ensure nuclear winter comes to the Southern Hemisphere by militarising the Oceanic region. The U.S. pacific fleet will be forced to split its forces away from the East Asia and attempt to secure New Caledonia. Having Chinese forces on New Caledonia would also make the island a nuclear target in the event of war. So until China either collapses or is no longer a threat militarily New Caledonia won’t receive its independence.
@@sztypetttolol it will probably just devolve into a ruthless dictatorship that hordes all the wealth with the elites
That’s almost always what’s happened when colonies become independent
its the fourth, behind Indonesia, the Philippines and Russia.
2:35 "New Caledonia is located 27,359 miles away from Paris" uhhh..
🧐 ÷ is not ×.
You know they use miles in America right ?
@@user-gw8it3su2nNews in english include miles because a lot of english speakers are from the US. If this news was in spanish or any other language, only kilometers would have been used.
I don't think it's about the use of miles but the number is wrong. 17000km is roughly 10500 miles.
27000 miles is pretty much full circle around the globe.
@AleXwern so basically, Paris is 27,000 miles from Paris. Lol
Why am I learning this incident from an Asian news outlet. None of my western outlets are covering this.
this was on BBC news days ago
@@florianluo8131 I am subscribed to BBC too but it didn’t pop up. So that is a major difference.
@@lc8850 nope, was on main page. And days before SCMP. But a lazy narrative like yours is just more fun. Covered the voting issues two days ago and the protests 12 hours ago.
This was on BBC, Guardian, and Al jazeera before this post.
It's pretty big news in francophone sphere. Maybe not so much for you Anglophone, which is weird because usually the BBC will make sure to broadcast bad news about France as much as possible.
This was the same for Hawaii Islands . The US government took the islands by military force and clamed the Hawaii islands.
And you want to disregard the opinion of the Polynesian and French Community because they’ve only lived there for hundreds of years.
In a democracy every vote is equal. People shouldn’t suffer because of their ancestors.
The whole US are a colony 😅
Every country is the Americas is an old colony
@@erikthomsen4768 Give me a break some of the migrants came there within the last 10 years, so save it! This is a absolute take over of indigenous land. The French need to go! We all know France is weak in the world stage
Like Tibet, you mean
Survival of the fittest
So basically french still supporting colonialism?
Can you see that in referendum majority of new caledonian vote to remain in france? The new caledonian people wanted their island to be part of france and with that new caledonia officially part of france. French didn't colonialized new caledonia as the people there still want to be part of france.
The US does it too, just look at Guam and Puerto Rico
@@cosmicusstardust3300nah thats the result of US beat Spain in America-Spanish war in 19th century. Instead let me guide you to US least known occupation, Hawaii
French should give them Independence . Then send them a bill for Hospitals , Schools , Roads
Water supplies etc that they built for them..? € 20 billion would be
enough ??
@2msvalkyrie529 Pay back the nickel exploitation and rent for docking ships with interest since 1800s then we can talk
no wonder, they're fighting over the control of Nickel resource
no, it's unexploited and wasted potential. It's the geolocation of the place and the fact it's been French for a while now
Are you even paying attention?
A majority of French citizens voted to remain part of France.
That’s why France cares.
it's the position, and the fact than independence of New Caledonia might have a domino effect on Martinique, Reunion, Guyana, Guadeloupe, Tahiti ... so France will never allow New Caledonia to leave
@@ddoumeche Most locals don't want leave France. Not everything is about greed.
@@ddoumecheThat's just wrong.
First the "i will google to search whatever minerao ressources they have and then claim that the whole thing is about that to look smart"
trust me, you don't.
and then most of the places you mentioned have absolutely 0 ambition to be independant, it would serve no purpose whatsoever for them 🤣
Third in the list of places you named you talked about "Haïti" apparently bro missed the fact that France isn't in power there since 1804
And fourth you apparently also missed that many french islands ALREADY took their independances in the Comorian archipelagos except Mayotte. And France was more than happy to get rid of what was seen as financial liability for little to no geostrategic interest
There's no great plan to control the Nouvelle Calédonie, the territory is already french, there has been more than 3 referendums about it now, and the people able to vote are the same since 1998 since they frozen the electoral count to not just great replace what was already a tiny minority
At that point people just can't claim to be for democracy if they want Nouvelle Calédonie sudden independance from France, btw they already have the most independance you can think of while being part of France, only next step possible is complete separation
France still supports colonialism, both in New Caledonia and in West Africa.
.....and Tahiti and some Caribbean nations
This is not a colony you idiot. It has been a proper province of France for close to a century.
When asked the local population vote to remain part of France.
@@gareztakat5356 + Central Africa
New Caledonia had 3 referendum for independance. Would you do the same for Tibet and Hong Kong?
@@gontrandjojo9747 Donbass and Luhansk did multiple referendums and yet they where called illegitimate by the west lol.
Kanak native local inhabitans fear that new Law will continue to eliminate them from the public affairs in N. Caledonia... Step by step..
The president of new caledonia is a native kanak.
The rioters are those who can't go up in societal hierarchy ,in a fair and civilized contest against their peers. They were also duped by another foreign power who have interests in new caledonia.
@@frankjames7272 Indeed... And the title!? Too much for his own very Little atributes of real power... France has Only One President who has all powers given by Constitution since General Charles de Gaulle reform of the Fifth Republic back in 1959...
@@viorelpiscanu9425 that is how it works . new caledonia is a special territory of france its the same as a province .
@@frankjames7272 I KNOW... IT SEEMS not ENOUGH power SHARING with local inhabitans Kanaks! This could be a major relevant problem for PARIS... And the new Law is not very friendly with Kanaks... As I LEARNED from open SOURCES of Media...
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Down with French colonialism
Free Caledonia!!
Agree 💯 💯
People voted for remaining with French. They’re just aggressive group of people that need to be taught 😊😊😊
France, Britain and the US are a problem of this world
Yes and replace it with ignorance that cant wipe its own a## and wants to be taught how to organize industrial systems for itself. So before you go Pierre , please set us up and then fk off. Sort of like South Africa. Reappropriations of farms from whites and then ask them to tell you and show you how to run the farms and businesses. Yah sure. That sounds fair.
The price of ingratitude is in the mail global termites.
And the West is always talking about Taiwan independence? How come no US senators or Secretary of State is visiting New Caledonia? Where’s the support for whatever the Americans always said?
you can bet your bottom dollar China is going to now point this out to the West.
Because it's not about Taiwansp independence.. there's something behind it
Taiwan actually has their own government, China could only cope and Beijing has NO actual control of the island, NC is under direct French rule, thats different, cope CCP bot,
When was the last time France shelled New Caldonia?
Because New Caledonia is NOT a geopolitically important to Americans. They don’t have advanced technology in semiconductor industries and they aren’t located anywhere that would disrupt global trade route to the west, understand?
Wait, so French are “settlers” but Asians moving there are “migrants”? Kind of biased wording right there!
yep, just like how they call themselves expats while the rest of the world as immigrants.
Because for French, its their land .. just like Israelis .. ( they think that in their mind )
Asians are native while French are settlers
@xyeB no, Asians are not, their on an entirely different continent, this is Oceania. It's like saying Asians are native to Australia
@@chaye1077 who are native then? Pacific Islanders? Yes.
Colonized people around the world and treated them like a second class citizens in their own land. The British is the same
This minority is overrepresented in the democratic system because French citizens who were weren’t born on the island before 1986 can’t vote.
@@erikthomsen4768honestly if the kanak don’t want non-kanak voting, it should stay like that. That’s like the US getting mad that all their citizens living in South Korea don’t have a vote either. That law should’ve never been passed by France because in 30/40 years the Kanak will definitely be outnumbered in voting
@@santospaul8103 We are not talking about people in a foreign country. But more like Hawaii where despite the distance this is an intergrated part of the country.
New Caledonia is a province in the same way as Hawaii is a state. Not a colony as some misinformed people would like to believe.
Why should certain people be discriminated against when they all live on the Island?
That sounds awfully racist to me. Imagine the uproar if they did that in the US.
@@erikthomsen4768 at the end of the day, if the people who have been living there decide what they want for their land regardless of their status as a territory it should be respected, also I know not ALL Kanaks have a problem with this since a lot of the protest have been met with counter-protest but if there IS a group who don’t agree with what the Government of France passed, they can exercise that right and protect their homes
Read more bro
End occupation. End colonialism
Did not the kanak themselves travel by boats from fiji to colonise a largely deserted island?
do live in france or any of its "colonies"?
@@bromion5123they dont steal the resources ad bring them to their “original” homeland. Use brain not skin.
Do not be a bigot! Those French are kanaks too!
its a bit of nonsense that currently french citizens living in the island, contributing to the economy for more than 10 years can't vote for local election and meanwhile in mainland france most illegal immigrant have very high chances to receive french nationality and vote in any election within 10 years too...
France still thinks this is the 1800's. 😂😂
its a bit of nonsense that currently french citizens living in the island, contributing to the economy for more than 10 years can't vote for local election and meanwhile in mainland france most illegal immigrant have very high chances to receive french nationality and vote in any election within 10 years too...
they voted to remain french. Educate yourself
@@9grand You trust those results?
@@Halcon_Sierreno I can ask you the same question. What makes you say that the referendums were rigged? Not everyone think the same.
I know 2 guys who are Kanak from New Caledonia and they believe they are better by staying with France. It's not because a few people are very loud and make protests in the streets that they represent everyone.
I live in Québec (Canada) and over here as well people in the past wanted independance, but after two referendums in the 1980s and 1990s, the majority voted to stay with Canada twice.
Adding borders and becoming independant isn't always the best option economically and for the well being and stability of society as a whole.
LOL, I bet once independent, they will ask OZ/NZ for foreign aids.
Didn't the French supported the Hong Kong protest for freedom....
Talk about double standards
i don't remember Hong Kong was offered 3 times a referendum, and rejected independance every time. Even if i'm not a supporter of Hong Kong's independance. Plus, it's not like if France actually done anything about Hong Kong.
"Riots" not "protests"
@@bretonneux3389Referendum influenced by the French govt no?
@@salvationude-natha398 what do you mean "influenced" ? since the question is to leave the rule of the french government or to keept it, of course there has been "influence". But not rigged, if that's what you are asking.
@@bretonneux3389 And you think the new macron bill in election is going to help with that? Miss me sir lol
It is not a French island, it is a French colonies occupied island.
I'd suggest you don't comment about stuff you know 0 about. The GDP per capita in New Caledonia is 36k$ per year, much higher than neighbouring islands thanks to French subsidies. The islands voted to remain French on 3 occasions, and they're richer, more developed thanks to France. They can also vote - not too bad no?
@@aa6dccanother Algeria
@@rw9833 can you elaborate? New Caledonia did 3 referendums, all chose to remain in France - not the same situation. Nowhere near the scale of Algeria either. Or are you perhaps suggesting France should teach New Caledonia a lesson just like it did to Algeria on May 8th 1945?
@@rw9833 so I'll ask again, how is this similar to alg*ria? It's much poorer and less developed than New Caledonia, only thing in common is being a testing ground for French nukes
another difference is New Caledonia will never be an independent country, unlike alg*ria (who lost their war from a military but not a political standpoint)
@@aa6dcc You are talking to an idiot. They won’t listen because they only care about hearing their voice.
It would be best to ignore this sort of troll.
We shall fight for our independence
or for your own greed.
and for your own greed!
Yes.! And stop coming to Europe
Illegally !! Most people in Europe
would be very happy with that ?
I'm sure you agree ?? 😂😂
fight for your toilet first
@@ttbrown9700 definitely
France is there for the nickel deposits
Crux of the matter...most of the earnings of that huge nickel deposits goes back to France
they're largely unexploited so far
@@ratumelimatanatoto2488 not really, it's a wasted potential so far, left nearly untouched. It's more of the strategic location of New Caledonia and the fact it's been French for centuries now
France is there because a majority of her citizens voted to remain part of France.
@@ratumelimatanatoto2488 Is that why New Caledonia is the 4th richest Island in the area, only surpassed by the likes of Australia and New Zealand... ? It's just sad how the lots of you brand New Caledonia as a colony when all its citizens have French nationality and can vote. Get a grip.
End colonialism
Please do not interfere in french internal affairs
This is not colonialism. It’s democracy. This province is equal to those in French provinces in Europe and the Islanders voted to remain part of France.
Democracy is not colonialism. Period!
Shameful how colonialism still run rampant in the modern world.
they voted to remain french
The real question is whether an independent NC can survive on its own without foreign aids.
@@RUHappyATMFR FR FR EVERYONE TALK ABOUT "FREE CALEDONIA" BUT THEY ARE JUST GOTTA GET COLONIZE WITH CHINESES CONTRACT 💀💀💀
ah, foreign aids. keeping a nation hostage with aids.
look uk they have many
China is so practical. When the reporter said China was carefully monitoring the situation, I knew they had to have been a reason. Nickel! It’s a crucial component in EVs. 😂
Franch still not take lessons from Algeria.
the only lesson they should take is PROTECT YOUR PEOPLE AT ALL COSTS. arabs in Algeria ethnically clensed europeans and jews, i definately dont want to see that happen in New Caledonia, so i fully support France. you know, if arabs can vote in Paris, Lyon and Marseille, then white people can vote in New Caledonia. period
@@bsod111 On the other hand, is it right that arabs and africans and whoever can vote in France? Should I as a native Swede have the right to vote in France? How about France to the French and New Caledonia to to the native Kanaks?
@@janbarsk3077 Just look at the mess Sweden is now in with riots by immigrants, rapes theft is all on the increase
The 2 are different!
In New Caledonia there were 3 referendums before this and 2 of these were lost while the third was boycotted by independence supporters. This never happened in Algeria.
@@janbarsk3077 france for the french ? oh ok, then all immigrants in France must leave right ? we know it's not going to happen. And the native Kanaks being only 40 % of the population....nope, since it's not France only for the native french, it won't New Caledonia only for the native kanaks
it's like Algeria all over again. make it hard for colonies to declare independence by settling white french people in overseas colonies.
Free africa we are African not arabs or European
So now you want to deport over half the population who have lived there for a hundred years or more?
You can’t just ignore democracy because of ancestry.
How about the independence of Kabylia, why are Kabiles being oppressed by the algerian government?
@@shakur960 Wrong color. The world will never support you.
France shouldn’t be ruling over an island so far away
Agree 💯 💯
Ever heard of Hawaii? Is it true that White citizens are allowed to vote there? How racist! 😂
SAYS WHO???..COMMON SENSE??..LIKE YOURS...NO THANKS
Ever heard of Hawaii?
@@Emeric62 yeah America shouldn’t be ruling that island either but they aren’t uprising
Freedom to New Caledonia 🇦🇿 #StopFranceOccupation
Shut up
free Artsakh, you turk imperialist
I think they have the right to. But I also think that they would end up far worse if independent.
They voted to stay part of France.
@@RK-cj4oc this is fake news
Sad that European Western Colonialism is still going on in 2024.
This is not a colony you idiot. It’s a province of proportional representation in Paris.
They voted to remain part of France on three separate occasions in the past few years.
Its not, but I guess you sound cool
3:33 what the heck is this graph for 2018
I always find it weird when independence movements destroy the needed infrastructure to be independent. Stores, shops, local municipal buildings. It makes sense to barricade roads to restrict movement (especially for police) but the totaling a grocery store is very counter intuitive.
This is how people with no stake in a colonial system that has impoverished, alienated, and marginalized them for more than a century, react. Nothing weird. Sociology 101.
So, France moralism regarding "Russian invasion" hides their colonialism that refuses to disapear.... 😂
Free Caledonia
🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨
Free free😊
Caledonia is Scotland, and i agree it should be free, but new Caledonia is rightfully French
They voted to remain part of France.
@@benigncreation8339 By importing their citizens there. I really hope the Chinese help these people out to gain their independence, right now the Chinese are in the Solomon islands.
France’s biggest border is not with any of its neighbours in Europe. It’s actually with Brazil. Voilá. 💁🏻♂️🤡
Thank you, French, for keeping my stereotype about you intact. The natural disposition of the French is to revolt against something. They revolted against Louie the 14th, and been at a constant revolt ever since.
It was the 16th 🤦♂️ even with sterotype you cant do that
Honestly, it's very "French" what's happening in New Caledonia. In recent years, many people have seen their social rights reduced, in New Caledonia as in France, because of recent reforms. There have even been numerous demonstrations all over France because of this (it's also been covered by the news).
Even if certain countries want to fuel the conflict (we see you Chinese velites, where were you for the Uyghurs?), the French government is paying for an accumulation of numerous unpopular reforms.
They're proud and ready to defend their rights. Are you ?
@@juliendurand1178 They did in fact revolt against Louis XIV as well. That was called ""Le Fronde" but @jinzo2678 probably wanted to say "16th" as you suggested.
@@janbarsk3077Yeah well that was just nobles protesting against absolutism that was emerging when Louis XIV still was a teenager, nothing to do with 1789…
I live in the UK but there has been no reporting on this
“Democracy” thrive locally 😂
They held two independence referendum’s without incident.
Things aren’t as colonial as you would like it to be.
new Caledonia will independently 2025 🔜
vote for referendums now
And bankrupt in 2028. !!
@@2msvalkyrie529 They won't if they could expel ALL THE COLONIZERS and the descendants of the French criminals.
@@TWB10 .... where ONLY NATIVES SHOULD BE ABLE TO VOTE!
@@2msvalkyrie529fr they destroyed every shops,so no economy citizen are making neighborhood defence also kanaks wanna expulse everything that are non kanaks
Well.... I do not envy Paris ... So many problems at home to deal WITH...
Like?
@@MultiverseRaidenWarriors A... WITH OTHER DOMESTIC ISSUES... SORRY... 🍀👍🤝
@@MultiverseRaidenWarriors bug problems and pest control
@@MultiverseRaidenWarriors everything. (google french protests and you'll see alot of them)
The chart at 3:35 has something wrong... But i bet nobody else noticed
New Caledonia is approximately 1000 kilometres off the east coat of Australia. Flying time to Noumea (from Sydney or Brisbane) is a couple of hours and airfares start at around $200 USD. If you ever visit Australia, it is also worth seeing New Caledonia and its capital city of Noumea too.
This is where replacement actually happens ... Western hypocrisy never cease to impress me ...
It's actually not so bad since they're at 41% and growing back up in population now.
Meanwhile the US, Canada, Australia and other british colonies have their natives at less than 4% each.
There's way worse to look at when it comes to colonies.
These people did nothing.
You can’t take peoples right to vote because of their ancestry.
@@tanez778so diversity bad? Thanks for saying it you guys 🎉
Its time New Caledonia was independent.
and become the new Haïti
The video thumbnail is cinematic & photogenic! 👌🏻
Gaining independence is sometimes a 'be careful of what you wish for' type of deal. Especially if the country you gained independence from want nothing to do with you, in terms helping your economy stabilize.
What's the point of economic stability if you're colonized
@@jadefr7518 Why doesn't China take control of Tuvalu, Vanuatu, Tonga and the rest of the islands in that area
@@cs4155for the same reason why France wants out of those islands. Money sink.
@@NarasimhaDiyasena So far there is no sign of France leaving even after 173 years of exploiting the mineral, agricultural, and maritime resources of Kanaky for the benefits of the settler class and the French ruling elite. It's now looking to annex it via "referendums" it organized and presided over and crush the resistance to its occupation with an additional 2,000 policeman from France.
Well I'm pretty sure that being of the largest nickel deposits among other natural resources will invite allies willing to help. Two of the major western nations that would rush to help an independent caledonia would be obviously australia, which is already a giant in the world of mining minerals & metals. The other would be the US, both of these countries would also try to cultivate friendship with the new govt of caledonia simply because they don't want the chinese to move in. Infact this could make Major world powers compete with each other to win contracts to large natural resources and friendly relations with the newly independent government
Colonizers always feel so entitled to rule lands of others. Sickening.
Just leave and let the indigenous people rule their own land however they want.
Forget about referendum. It's just not a land of French people to rule. Period.
One strategy they do is move in white people so that these whites become indigenous. Hah. Crazy world we are living in
says a random internet user. dont meddle your not qualified to weigh in
They criticize putin , they are no better. Free New Caledonia. Power to the people 💪🏽
3:43 "protect everything that makes democracy thrive locally" had me spit out my drink. very funny guy!
Let me guess you were one of those guys who know so little about this island that you think it’s the 18th century and somehow still a colony?
@@erikthomsen4768 Pretty much. This ill informed idiots are all over RUclips. Guessing there are a lot of BOTs
💪✊🙏 from parents that where born in Vietnam!!! I pray for your strength
The Kanak culture is very inclusive. During the code de l'indigenat which affected both the Kanaks and indentured laborers, laborers left their children in the care of Kanak elders who nurtured them, made sure they attended schools and helped them with homework.
Free new Caledonia and west Papua. Colonial times are over.
West papuan participated in the government and its people are running the region.
West papuan are also receiving many infrastructure projects and the country is a multiethnic, not wh@te-centrist.
they voted to remain french.
@@9grand Who voted for those referendums? It's the similar situation as Northern Ireland.
Only Aboriginals should be allowed to vote in any referendum - it's that simple. The rest are the descendants of the French criminals and colonizing settlers.
@@9grand French settlers voted with them. The majority of the natives vote for independence.
China be like: after Tawian it will be New Caledonia
France needs to let new caledonia and tahiti have independence!
Pasifika is for pacific not Europe
But most of the population voted to remain part of France!
This is not a colony. It’s a province with proportional representation.
If a country votes to remain with the colonizer, it is the colonizer who should be forced to stay in that country.
@marccru yes but thanks to colonization the indigenous kanaks are out numbered and are less then 50 percent because more and more french settlers are moving
@@Lomez07
Dude, indigenous people in Australia, NZ and Hawai are less than 10%. We don't hear anglo SJW asking for europeans and others to leave. But of course when it's France they are colonies.
You do realize that they will loose the protection of the French Military.
Wait a second...what's France's position on Taiwan?
And what's China's position on Tibet and the Uighurs?
But westerners are always claiming they are better than china. Muh western values n shiet. Then they shouldn't be hypocrite on taiwan and new caledonia.
Stop your BS about Uighurs.
Western countries killed more the 1 million innocents in Irak and Afghanistan... and you care about muslims in China?
Uighurs and Taiwan are another one of your lies.
You just want to stop China ascension 😊
@@mrAZcardinalthey live together - this is China's position
@@RezetRoy
Lol no. Tibetans want freedom...it's a well known fact . There is a reason why china never allowed foreign internet companies within china and banned all of them
Man that's crazy, I was just there on holiday a few months ago
You french eat baguette?
@@hanawolfgang nah mate aussie
How was the holiday?
@@TragicXOOfficialGoogle translate can't translate Aussie😢
@@ElectrostatiCrow yeah not bad :)
My honeymoon was in New Caledonia, beautiful place, lovely people. I wish all be safe and well.
Imagine colonialism in 2024, France should have given ALL of its colonies on the other side of the planet independence long ago. I'm looking at you too, the rest of Europe, especially Britain, that still have colonies everywhere, like in the Caribbean and Oceania.
The Islanders voted against independence because they wanted to remain part of France.
Free Cyprus from Islamic Turkish occupation.
tURKIFIED gREEKS LIVE THERE.....
free america australia and new zealond from european christian occupation, deport europeans to europe
And free the Kurds from Turkey as well.
they are sooo far away
Cyprus is in the middle east it's a Turkish , Syria Lebanon land
You should go back where you came from
To demonstrate how much of a problem this is, just imagine if all of New Zealand's domestic and foreign policy was decided by Parliament in London, regardless of all the people who live there, in particular the Maori. That's what you have with the so called 'New Caledonia'. Bear in mind the indigenous Kanak have been on that island when what we now call France was still called Gaul, the Frankish tribes (the name France deriving from these people) having yet to migrate from beyond the Rhine.
1. NC is already self governing for most its domestic policies, including laws
2. They were supposed to define the NC citizenship since 1998, in order to have an 'ordered' independence. They have delayed so much that there are now people who would probably qualify for this citizenship by now who are denied their right of vote.
And of top of it, the French government played terribly bad by setting a tight deadline that favors one of the two parties, whereas since 1988 France was supposed to be the referee overseeing what the NC people would decide between themselves.
NC is probably the worst skeleton we have in our closet nowadays in France, and trust me, many people in Mainland France want to 'get rid' of NC. Not in a hatred or revengeful way, but because at some point, as in a couple, when you are parting, you need to have things done completely, and not halfway. Especially when halfway means receiving huge lumps of money from us in the mainland.
@@miaouscleaumonocle Give them their freedom and keep your lumps of money.
@@miaouscleaumonocle then how come the place is referred to by a name some white guy who happened to bump into claimed to have 'discovered'?
@@scottwebb4722How come the Kanaks are chosing calling themselves and the island by another umbrella term that was imposed on them by other white colonials?
It's all BS. Not one of them had even bothered to name their island before Europeans showed up.
Nah not really, many part of the Pacific was settled fairly late. Rome has already been sacked a few times before there were humans in New Zealand for example. It's slow coz the Austronesians and other precursor settling the Pacific were from SEA and tend to fill up an island first, then some settlers would move out to find a new island once they feel they're starting to get crowded.
where in France exactly is "french new caledonia" and why can't i find it on a European map?
Big F word for those colonizers who are still obsessed in colonizing
says a random internet user. dont meddle your not qualified to weigh in
Melanesia must stand with West Papua and New Caledonia. Stop being cheap puppets
A "Republic" holding on to colonies in this day and age.
says a random internet user. dont meddle your not qualified to weigh in
Isn't the chart for 2018 wrong? 3:33
Yeah I noticed too
Yep
The French also run 'Tahiti' (French Polynesia), which is also an island nation in the Pacific Ocean. It's beautiful.
I'm a native Frenchman living in France and I support giving New Caledonia its independence now. It's a French colony.
You should know better than this.
You should know about the rejection of independence by vote.
You should know about the proportional representation that is not found in a colony. But is present here.
So even though they don't want independence what you're saying is you want to kick them out of France.
no one cares what you think. Seriously
They have 3 Independence Referendum and everytime they voted NO.
You really believe thats legit just because the french monitor it 😂😂
If I am a resident caledonian I will also say no, what for? Independent New caledonia will eventually be ruled by corrupt politicians. Better be a French citizen.
@@JamesSmith-uw4nxwell, algeria got it's independence because of referendum so...
@@JamesSmith-uw4nx and do you have evidence against it? I bet none.
Lots of jobs : free health care :
Free education and Welfare cheques every month. ?!?!
But they want to be Independent...??! Bankrupt in 3 years... 😂😂. Bon Chance...!!
The graphic at 3:32 shows reversed percentages of the 2018 vote.
The graph displayed from 3:30 - 3:35 has the numbers reversed for the results of the 2018 independence referendum. The green ("Yes") vote was 43%, and the red ("No") vote was 57%. 😅
Because they did 3 BS vote on New Caledonia independence.
what was BS about them? Recently settled in people couldn't vote you know?
The only way these votes are BS if you discount over half the population the grounds that they ain’t local enough after hundreds of years.
That's the point. Only a femme people have voted and they have chose to be french
While I understand them not desiring to be a colony of France, looting local business owners just shows their true motivation 🤨
The French state should pay for the damages as it is responsible for the unrest with its refusal to return the archipelago to its rightful owners, the Kanak people.
@@imjamming says who?
No it does not!
It's a long way from France. However, if the French leave, the native people will be deprived, like the people of Vanuatu, of a lot - policing, health care and hospitals, street lights, education. In Vanuatu, I meet a woman earning a small living by cleaning, whose 13 year old daughter stays home and watches her friends go off to secondary school because her mother cannot afford to pay for it. The daughter's grief, her mother's despair and poverty, are cruel. The French had what they wanted, a balance where French could pretend to be South Sea Islanders and thus have the best of everything, but they wanted more, and blew it for everyone.
The native people were living and thriving on their archipelago long before the French colonizers set foot on the archipelago. The settler class in New Caledonia and the French ruling elite in the mainland only care about their economic and geostrategic interests in Kanaky/New Caledonia.
Quite a few comments on referendums held but no stress on the point that the natives of the land boycotted the referendums.
only boycotted the third. try listening.
Don’t Forget there were three referendum for the independancy last few years. It’s not a forced colonization
Whats going on ? Occupation ?
Basing from the video. The French expanded voting to citizens on the island. And i guess the minority population feels angry that their small numbers mean less influence in government
It’s not an occupation because the population is an equal part of France and they rejected independence when they had the opportunity to vote on it.
This makes me sad. New Caledonia is such a gorgeous place with awesome people. My dreams of living there are crushed
Macaroni and France thought that they could be colonialists forever... guess what Baguettes? The world is growing up, and so should you.
Protecting the equality of democracy is not colonialism you halfwit.
So in France if we refuse vote for people come after 1998 it's racism but in new caledonia it's normal and fighting against colonialism ?
France has too repay for colonialism so more migrant men
New Caledonia is a victim
They're not immigrants. They're settlers. They are there against the will of the indigenous people who want independence from France.
That's because natives don't exist in Europe. Somehow.
Exactly. These people are hilarious
@@tanez778apparently Europeans don't have culture and actually don't exist, if you'd listen to media and academe 😂
Let them have independence, dont you have better thing to do in France than send troops to an island on other side of world 😢
They don't want independence. They voted three times in the last 20 years to stay with France.
The population voted against independence in the past three referendum.
France will never bow to tyranny by the minority.
nickels.. hmm sounds like someone's playing fire here.
Chinese Fire Drill...
This news must be shared more friends.
Irony is that french were once seen as imbodiment of Freedom(USA never was as it given in lies) as first well known freedom movement was made by french themselves and now they become imbodent of what they fought against...
How is supporting the majority who want to remain a part of France, opposite to freedom?
@@erikthomsen4768The ''majority'' by France bring people there all this years. Its a classic old tactics of Divide-Conquer if youre too ignorant to learn
17000km far away.. but not yet independence 😱
Order a la Metropole!?
I think some countries must support their independence
Even if the majority of the Islanders voted against independence?
It's 2024, can France pack up and leave New Caledonia? Keep fighting Wantoks. Support from Papua New Guinea.
Careful what you wish for.
Is PNG still getting foreign aids from Australia?
@@RUHappyATM do you think we are afraid of France and Australia? Are you threatening me? Get on a plane and come to PNG and issue your threat. Bai yu bruk na lus natin lo hia.
Do you think PNG needs Australian funding? Australia is continuously funding us because of their geopolitical agenda not because we need their money.
Are you Kanaki? Are you Melanesian? Do you belong to the Pacific? Sapos nogat, pasim kan maus blo yu.
@@imxbobola
you talk tough.
survive on your own without foreign aids.
@@imxbobola
BTW WW2 was 79 years ago.
Independence was 49 years ago.
Learn to stand on your own two feet, get rid of the victimhood mentality.
@@RUHappyATM Ah, you are breaking my heart.
PNG was used by Australia as a proxy for their war, not our war.
Today, Australia is using PNG again as a proxy for their geopolitical agenda against China.
Victim? We are not playing the victim, we have been continually dragged into conflicts that has nothing to do with us.
Come prepared here, you dealing with an educated native.
PS: Tell France to fark off from the Pacific and leave New Caledonia alone.
Fun fact: The country that have annexed the most countries in the last 100 years is India.
IT BELONGS TO FRANCE not some rif raf
This is France and the local voted keep it that way. They don’t want independence.
Colonization still exists by democracy exporters.
France losing influence everywhere. Maybe they and their besties in the UK should stop being told what to do by the US 🤣
The British rule America they are the majority in the senate and the congress.
The French multinationals rile France
The government needs to respect and recognize these people wish and wants as a democratic nation
"27,359 miles away from Paris!!!???" I though imperialist nations only kept their colonies near their main land... plus for what I see, they dont seem to get any help for education, housing, health services and cheap wine and cheese like all the French get...
Come to Indonesia then, we have the largest nickel deposit but you should process it localy
France wants to keep its colony. Chine wants a new colony.
This is a province not a colony. It has proportional representation in Paris and voted against independence.
China don't have colonies.
They don't want independance, they just want to be as autonomous as possible while receiving as much subsidies as possible from the French government.
Do you know what the french took from them? Do you actually have a brain? How do you think french got rich? They took resources from these colonies you dumb F&*^(
they would gladly take independebce to rid of the French whites and non indigenous ECONOMIC migrants! but France, like most WHITE colonials want to hold on to the nickel (& other resources)..
far enough.
You nailed it. Both parties in NC, independantists and loyalists alike, have been delaying the process for too long. NC is currently a French territory with so much autonomy that they are having best of both worlds. More and more people in mainland France are becoming pro-independence, not only because they are sympathetic to the Kanaks' fight for freedom, but also because they are fed up to see their tax money flying 17000km away to bail out this territory that is almost self governing.
and oppress white people by not giving them the right to vote at the same time
Freedom to the native tribal people!👏👏😊👍👍
Warum werden nicht alle Medien angezeigt?
the fact that it is french territory is disturbing enough
how about indonesia stops occupying parts of East Timor and Papua New Guina whilst doing a g3n*c1d3 there before giving lessons to others yeah?
Why?
Because France listens to his citizens who overwhelmingly voted to remain rather than a loud minority?
I bet people are just taking advantage of the chaos then loots the shops for whatever they wants lol.
The Kanaks lost the independence referendum 3 times...
These "referendums" were a ploy by France to continue its illegal occupation of the archipelago. France designed them so the no "vote" would always succeed as it has no intention or desire to return the island to its rightful owners. When it colonized the island in 1853 , did it organize referendums to find out if the Kanaks wanted their island to be used as a penal colony? After it gave the Kanaks the right to vote in 1957, did it organize "referendums" on whether to return the island to their rightful owners? No. Instead it waited until 2018 after it succeeded in changing the demographics of the archipelago to organize & preside over "referendums" that would make a no "vote" possible. Many people around the world who have had first hand experience with colonial France's conniving ways can clearly see the handwritings on the wall.
Free colonialism and Free Palestine!
This is not Palestine this is PACIFIC
This is a province with proportional representation.
Not a colony is China want you to believe.
Most people voted against independence. The matter is settled.
3:32 I think the numbers for 2018 are reversed