Thank you for posting this! My husband, my son and I were just sitting around chatting and random thought of “how do they manage all the snow in NYC?” This was so fascinating! Thanks for taking the time to film this!
When I was a kid growing up in Delaware County outside of Philly, the city was dumping snow into the Delaware River after the Blizzard of 1977(??). My recollection is that EPA stepped in because of all the other things getting mixed up in the snow (oil, salt, trash, etc.) and polluting the river worse than it was. I am guessing that if it at least goes through the sewer system it will get some form of treatment prior to discharge into the Hudson. Interesting video. I wondered what they were doing with all that snow.
It would drain there regardless, maybe some gets caught naturally but I don’t really see that dumping being any different than a natural melt because not all storm water gets treated.
I’m amazed that the city of New York purchased such an undersized unit. There are much larger systems that allow for quicker melting. But, more importantly, broader dump bins means that the front loader can easily and quickly process the snow ❄️.
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Feel free to pin this if you like. None of the surface water goes into the river without treatment (snow is surface water). Surface water has a lot of contaminants (just think of how much oil you see walking across the street), brake dust, coolant, rubber, heavy metals from catalytic converters, carbon from any combustion process. Snow removal has salts and magnesium chlorides in addition to the oil. This decision is not some sort of nanny state tree hugging operation. Poison the water it poisons the fishing industry. If it doesn't kill the fish, it poisons anything that eats the fish. Not to mention what it does to the micro organisms. The loader operator is not inefficient or incompetent. The machines can only process so much snow an hour. Dumping faster does nothing to increase the melt rate. It actually slows it down. In between loads it is recovering heat. There are larger machines with higher melt rates but getting them deployed in NYC would be problematic.
That was very interesting I’m sure this must save a lot of time and material over having to truck all that to some dumping area. I wonder if the storm sewers run through a treatment plant before the water is discharged Thanks very much for this !
Said this on another comment. It would drain there regardless, maybe some gets caught naturally but I don’t really see that dumping being any different than a natural melt because not all storm water gets treated.
Most of City's sewers are combined storm and sanitary. During the dry weather, like on the video, almost all of the water flows to one of City's 14 Sewage Treatment Plants. (We call them Wastewater Resource Recovery Facilities, WRRFs for short.) So, yes, it gets treated. The locations of melting operations are chosen well beforehand to be over a large diameter interceptor sewer to avoid sewer backups.
The reason they do it like this compared to just dumping it in the river is because you’ll be surprised to what kind of debris ends up in the snow melter. There’s a screen inside that catches the items. They have to shut down once and a while to clean it out.
Toronto Canada does the same thing, with much larger melters. Problem is, not enough melters, so now they are building GIGANTIC mountains of snow that will probably take until July to melt LOL
They run on diesel fuel . That machine has a 800 gallon fuel tank built in it. The engine and burner both run on diesel and use about 80 gallons an hour. I ran them for 20 years .
You mentioned dumping into the river. Well that’s exactly what they used to do. You can see how dirty that snow is. So now at least some treatment will be applied for the waste water before being released to the environment.
That's what I was thinking, how much does it cost for that operation. It looks very practical. Maybe it's not as expensive as I'm thinking it could be. I remember when we had one of our droughts out here in Cali some people suggested getting snow from Alaska and shipping it down here. It would've cost multi billion dollars to achieve that feat when the full operation was studied and audited. Bad idea ☺. Sounds good but very expensive.
In all my years of living I ain't never seen one of those machines being used for snow removal in New York City. Our winters are not that serious, this is something you'd see UPSTATE in Buffalo NY or Syracuse.. not here. That is amazing but old man winter ain't gonna be happy 😕 lol
I was thinking the same thing why nit just dump it into the river. Looks like it takes forever to melt all of that snow. Seems inefficient and a waste of taxpayer money to buy the melter and run it, the front loader, fuel, and the trucking
I am from Montreal. King city of snow removal, above ground 2x sized football field snow dumpsites and direct inground water treated dump sites. Look up on youtube. Hell no fkn way would we go through such a process. We would never finish. That loader driver is workin wayyyyyyyy to slow for that melter. Could work faster for tax payers.
very inefficient . maybe by spring they would have done.i live in alaska the state dot up here is the worst organization ive seen do what these guys do let the cars pack down.less work.
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Thank you for posting this! My husband, my son and I were just sitting around chatting and random thought of “how do they manage all the snow in NYC?” This was so fascinating! Thanks for taking the time to film this!
I liked it and think it's very cool video thank you for sharing this
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When I was a kid growing up in Delaware County outside of Philly, the city was dumping snow into the Delaware River after the Blizzard of 1977(??). My recollection is that EPA stepped in because of all the other things getting mixed up in the snow (oil, salt, trash, etc.) and polluting the river worse than it was. I am guessing that if it at least goes through the sewer system it will get some form of treatment prior to discharge into the Hudson. Interesting video. I wondered what they were doing with all that snow.
It would drain there regardless, maybe some gets caught naturally but I don’t really see that dumping being any different than a natural melt because not all storm water gets treated.
Wrong it goes in storm drain. Part of the big lie
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This is really cool !! Stay warm JJ plz
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Awesome Video Buddy I love Your Snow Removal Videos!!
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Wow! Lot of snow! Great job SDNY!
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Very interesting….thank you JJ!
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Very interesting. Thanks John for giving us a look at large city snow removal.
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Very interesting machines
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amazing job on the snow
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I’m amazed that the city of New York purchased such an undersized unit. There are much larger systems that allow for quicker melting. But, more importantly, broader dump bins means that the front loader can easily and quickly process the snow ❄️.
They do have a few large units.
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The big ones are not easy to tow around in the city streets.
WOW that absolutely the best views of New York city John mate ha ha ha, talk about mount everest on the street's, no kid's playing on the mountain , 😠😆.
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Thank you for the video, it was so informative and interesting! Love your videos!
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Feel free to pin this if you like.
None of the surface water goes into the river without treatment (snow is surface water). Surface water has a lot of contaminants (just think of how much oil you see walking across the street), brake dust, coolant, rubber, heavy metals from catalytic converters, carbon from any combustion process. Snow removal has salts and magnesium chlorides in addition to the oil. This decision is not some sort of nanny state tree hugging operation. Poison the water it poisons the fishing industry. If it doesn't kill the fish, it poisons anything that eats the fish. Not to mention what it does to the micro organisms.
The loader operator is not inefficient or incompetent. The machines can only process so much snow an hour. Dumping faster does nothing to increase the melt rate. It actually slows it down. In between loads it is recovering heat. There are larger machines with higher melt rates but getting them deployed in NYC would be problematic.
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That was very interesting I’m sure this must save a lot of time and material over having to truck all that to some dumping area. I wonder if the storm sewers run through a treatment plant before the water is discharged Thanks very much for this !
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Said this on another comment. It would drain there regardless, maybe some gets caught naturally but I don’t really see that dumping being any different than a natural melt because not all storm water gets treated.
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Most of City's sewers are combined storm and sanitary. During the dry weather, like on the video, almost all of the water flows to one of City's 14 Sewage Treatment Plants. (We call them Wastewater Resource Recovery Facilities, WRRFs for short.) So, yes, it gets treated. The locations of melting operations are chosen well beforehand to be over a large diameter interceptor sewer to avoid sewer backups.
Thanks for the video !
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Nice work!!
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That's some SERIOUS amount of snow to shift and melt.🥶 Stay well and warm!
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i've seen dumps into quarrys, ravines, even built up mountains but this is the first melting i've seen
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Great video jj
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Very informative video --- Debbie & Tiffany --- but---where is the RAC --- lol
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I never seen this in the Bronx...... That's very cool.....
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The reason they do it like this compared to just dumping it in the river is because you’ll be surprised to what kind of debris ends up in the snow melter. There’s a screen inside that catches the items. They have to shut down once and a while to clean it out.
Its funny that they can melt the snow and allow the drains to empty into the ocean. But is a violation from EPA to dump snow directly into the ocean
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That is why I live in Florida. We shovel sun shine 🌞🌞🌞🌞
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I thought they used to dump it in the river. Thanks for the very interesting video! Stay safe and stay healthy!
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Very interesting
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Fascinating, thanks for taking the time to show this to us. Hope you’re well JJ
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Interesting , but if they build a dumping spot connected to the river and separate the debris it will be a lot cheaper i guess, nice video John.
That DSNY guy is making double time to melt snow all night. Their union will definitely not support a cheaper and quicker process.
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Toronto Canada does the same thing, with much larger melters. Problem is, not enough melters, so now they are building GIGANTIC mountains of snow that will probably take until July to melt LOL
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Seems like a slow operation...by the time there done spring will be here.
Yeah, you think at least two front end loaders.
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I agree that’s a different story and way of handling the snow. Be better just one site to dispose of the melt. Thanks for vision.
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Really wondering why they didn’t move the small yellow front-end loader to get it out of the way of the big guy?
Interesting video thank you!
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Never seen that before, does the sewer go out to the river?
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Nothing they are doing gets sent directly to the river without treatment. Lots of oil and other contaminants that do not belong in the river.
That is so cool! I don’t think they have that in Michigan!
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Nice video JJ. Question the other videos has you in a white car. Where's Squad 99
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I wonder what manufacturer makes the melter
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That's TONS & TONS of snow! Litterly tons as in weight lol bit yeah..... here in MO we just wait till it melts.
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Interesting....How does this fall under department of sanitation and not transportation?
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What I’m curious about is what do they use to melt the snow,propane?
Diesel fuel.
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They run on diesel fuel . That machine has a 800 gallon fuel tank built in it. The engine and burner both run on diesel and use about 80 gallons an hour. I ran them for 20 years .
Very nice seen those used before turns it into running water
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I've never seen it done that way interesting
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When diesel fuel & engines are stopped by 2030-2050, I don't think this can be done with batteries. They will have to use electric power for heat.
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That melting unit is made in Nova Scotia Canada.
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When i worked at Logan airport decades ago. They used melters that were permanent. For parking garages and roadways
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You mentioned dumping into the river. Well that’s exactly what they used to do. You can see how dirty that snow is. So now at least some treatment will be applied for the waste water before being released to the environment.
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South Ferry?
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Tree huggers stopped the dumping snow in the river.
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By tree huggers you mean fishermen?
OMG the operator moves so slow. Just dump it in the river.
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Very expensive to purchase and very expensive to run…
That's what I was thinking, how much does it cost for that operation. It looks very practical. Maybe it's not as expensive as I'm thinking it could be. I remember when we had one of our droughts out here in Cali some people suggested getting snow from Alaska and shipping it down here. It would've cost multi billion dollars to achieve that feat when the full operation was studied and audited. Bad idea ☺. Sounds good but very expensive.
Better yet, drive to jersey and dump in Hoboken, they’ll never tell the difference
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In all my years of living I ain't never seen one of those machines being used for snow removal in New York City. Our winters are not that serious, this is something you'd see UPSTATE in Buffalo NY or Syracuse.. not here. That is amazing but old man winter ain't gonna be happy 😕 lol
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The way that this operation is set-up is not very efficient! The loader should be able to get a bucket and backup turn 90 deg go straight to dump.
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I was thinking the same thing why nit just dump it into the river. Looks like it takes forever to melt all of that snow. Seems inefficient and a waste of taxpayer money to buy the melter and run it, the front loader, fuel, and the trucking
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why not put it in the river. save lotta money
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I am from Montreal. King city of snow removal, above ground 2x sized football field snow dumpsites and direct inground water treated dump sites. Look up on youtube. Hell no fkn way would we go through such a process. We would never finish. That loader driver is workin wayyyyyyyy to slow for that melter. Could work faster for tax payers.
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very inefficient . maybe by spring they would have done.i live in alaska the state dot up here is the worst organization ive seen do what these guys do let the cars pack down.less work.
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Better off just dumping in river
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