How to install rack and snail to chime and strike for Hermle Triple Chime
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
- chrisclockrepair.com
Chris shows you how to install the front works and back works on a Hermle triple chime clock movement. The same procedure can be followed to setup any rack and snail movement.
Learn how to install rack and snail front works and back works so that it chimes and strikes properly. Every step to properly set up your rack and snail movement is shown in detail.
Specifically, how to position the stop cam and the 4/4 cam, the gathering pallet and the warning wheels.
At the end of the video, I show you how to adjust the chime hammer sequence so that it is correct for the triple chime.
Learn how to setup the chime and strike to properly sequence.
Learn how to adjust the music sequence so it plays the correct tune.
Learn how to diagnose chime problems.
Hi Chris, Your easy style of presentation, along with nice camera angles, good lighting, and clear viewing for the visitor make for an overall enjoyable video to watch. Can't wait to see what you do next!
Hey thanks! Up next is a music box adjustment
CHRIS, I REALLY ADMIRE YOUR VIDEO PRESENTATION OF HOW TO ASSEMBLE A HERMELE GRAND FATHER CLOCK MOVEMENT. I HAVE TRIED SEVERAL OTHERS IN THIS LEARNING PROCESS, BUT NOBODY IS AS CLEAR AS YOU ARE. WITH GREAT APPRECIATION OF YOUR WORK, THANK YOU. TONY JOSEPH, EVANSTON, ILLINOIS.
Thanks Antony. Please let me know what you would like to see in future videos.
Hi sir, please give me a chim machanisam
I'm assembling a 1161 and this video is a lifesaver. I've watched it several times. Thanks!
Your video is a life-safer. Without that careful instruction, I'd have had no idea how to realign all the various pieces of this kind of movement. But with it, no big deal. Thanks for going to the trouble of putting this online.
Superb video done just right. Thanks for your work on these you taught me everything needed to now fix my Hermle 451-050H that won't strike or chime. Your calm character makes you a natural born teacher in all respects. A1+++++ !
I appreciate that greatly.
I love the way you describe everything you are doing. Being pretty much completely blind accept for a little light perception in 1 eye descriptions like this are a must. I have a hermle 451-053 that needs bushings. Watching your video has helped me feel a little better about working on it. I've got a nice clock guy who I'm planning on apprenticing for not to long from now. I can't wait to get it working.
Thank you!
Hi
Chris, I have been struggling with a Hermle 341-020 for weeks trying to get it to chime right. I watched this video and thought I would give your process a try. I took the front works off and reinstalled them following your process. The Hermle is back in the case and chiming perfectly. THANK YOU.
Hi Chris,
I was just about to turn to drink, but your video saved me! I have been cleaning and adjusting this exact clock for a friend, the first time that I have attempted a Hermle triple chime. No matter what I did I just could not get it to chime properly but now it's running beautifully.
Many thanks, another soul saved!
Cheers from Australia!
That’s fantastic! Thanks for sharing
Don't you just love it when the e-clip goes flying off into the unknown when trying to install it...then trying to find it? 😵💫
Of course!
Chris: I've been struggling to get my chimes and strike working since lubricating at Christmas. When reviewing your video I noticed your "4/4" wheel was mounted closer to the shaft end than I had mine and when I looked more carefully, I noticed the "two" hook levers were being lifted by the 4/4 wheels cam. I moved my 4/4 wheel outwards about .02 inches and everything is fine. 😊 Thanks for your wonderful video but you may want to add a warning comment!
Glad you got it. What should the warning be?!
"Be sure the cam on the back of the 4/4 wheel is only engaging the front lever" @@Chrisclockrepair
Hi Chris, thanks so much for your good presentation and explanation of the whole process. It was an arduous and complicated job to me but you have explained every details so clearly. This is the best clock repair video i have ever come across. Sincerely hope to see more of your videos on clock service and repair soon. Have a blessed one ahead. Thanks again.
Thanks a lot. Yes there are many more to come. Trying to squeeze it all in between the work and the edits.
I did receive your email and will respond soon.
Merry Christmas!
After inheriting a Westminster chime wall clock (containing a 72 Hermle Franz 351-020 45CM) from a family member who entered assisted living in the fall, I have been attempting to get the "dead" clock running. The initial problem is that the pendulum refused to keep going. Turns out it was out of beat but the beat could not be corrected just by cleaning and oiling the pivot holes - which I did prior to Thanksgiving - in part because the clock oil that spouse and I inherited with the clock was as old as the clock (50 years!). I bought the Horace brand clock oil and took another whack at it on Christmas Eve, expecting no better result than before but instead got something of a Christmas miracle. Now the clock is keeping perfect time, just in time for my goal of getting it working by Christmas so I can show my family member a video of her beloved clock running for the first time in about six years. However, there is ONE issue remaining and that is that the chiming and the striking are jumbled together. The clock chimes as many times as it strikes and some of the chimes sound a bit sloppy (hesitating).
Question: Is this (video) the main approach to troubleshooting the problem or is there something else I should try first? For example, I read elsewhere that there is a bushing inside the minute hand that may need to be adjusted but that was in reference to a grandfather clock. (Not sure if the same applies to this movement?) I am about to shoot a short video of the clock running to share with my family member but I'd like to be able to report that her beloved clock is 100% - and right now it's not because the chimes and strikes are jumbled up.
As others have said, thank you for an excellent contribution to RUclips. Appreciate any tips!
Hi Chris thanks a bunch for this excellent video I am a complete novice who has taken apart a filthy old German westminster chime clock and cleaned it, managed to put it back together but dont know how to sequence it so having watched this four times i am armed with hopefully a little more understanding and will put it into practice soon keep up the good work and thank you for spending the time to share your knowledge !
I suggest you put together the clock and watch the video as you go.
Great tutorial with detailed instructions and images. Thank you for taking the time in making this presentation with such clarity!
Excellent detailed how to! Thanks.
Absolutely. Thanks
Chris, Thank you so much. My Kieninger triple chime was giving me fits. I took the front works completely apart and followed your lead. The Kieninger is laid out differently on the strike side, but similar enough. Actually works now. Thanks again and keep up the videos.
That’s awesome. I’m glad I was clear enough that you could follow.
Thanks for this detailed explanation: very useful.
Thank you for taking the time and sharing your skill. This video is so helpful. Never completely understood the process to have correct chime sequence.
That’s awesome! Im glad it has value for you.
Chris,
I am a clock repairman in Conyers, Georgia (just east of Atlanta). You did a wonderful job of explaining a fairly complex job! You took your time, and explained everything in great detail. Thank you for an amazing job!!!
Thank you Michael. How is business down there?
@@Chrisclockrepair Business is good. There are a lot of repair shops in Atlanta and North of Atlanta; but not so many south and east of the city. I know of one repair shop east, and two repair shops south of Atlanta, GA. Keep up the great work!!!
Good evening Chris,
I'm getting a lot of grandfather clock work here in Conyers, Georgia. So I'm needing to test more than one clock at a time (for efficiency). Timesavers doesn't offer multiple clock testing stands. I noticed in this video that your test stand has the capability to test multiple grandfather clocks at once. Do you sell the plans for your testing stand, or know where I can find plans to make this type of testing stand? Thanks! Michael Mellard
Thanks a bunch Chris. I just completes my first over hall of an Elgin 350-060 and it was giving me fits. this was a different movement but close enough to get me finished. the best video on the net.
Awesome!
I LOVED this video! You are very good at instructions for first time clock repairer's
Excellent presentation. Thank you very much.
Thanks!
Your video is a great learning tool. My grandfather clock is a Danekar. It has given me trouble for the past 25 years since my marriage to my wife Martha. It is her late daughter's clock that I more or less inherited. Before I began tinkering with this clock, my wife's father and his father were always trying to correct something with this fine machine. My wife's father Joe actually built a wooden case for the entire movement so it could be easily and safely transported to clock smiths for repair. Since I took over the maintenance of this clock it has always been 2 hours slow. I could adjust the pendulum up or down until the cows come home and the time never is accurate. The beat of the clock is correct and the pendulum swings freely and is actually on beat with a musical metronome. Still the time is never correct. I have almost given up on this particular dilemma. Lately, the chiming mechanism has stopped working. This is something I really would like to repair. Every You Tube video on this repair looks different from the mechanism in this clock. Prior, the Westminster chimes would correctly function on 3,6,9, and 12. The hourly strike would be somewhat functional as well. However, the hourly strike would sometimes hit 25 or 30 times before it stopped. I can easily observe this malfunction and have gotten the hourly strike to be accurate. The problem again, and my main concern, is that the 3,6,9, and 12 chimes don't even activate at all. From observation, there is no on or off switch to stop the chiming as there is on most clocks. Short of hiring a clock smith to come out to the house, is there something that jumps out at you that could be stopping this beautiful chiming mechanism from working? A response would be appreciated more than you can imagine. Other clock smiths on You Tube have not bothered to respond to my much-needed expertise of grandfather clocks. Thank You, Edmund Lubowiecki...
sorry for the very late reply. Could you send me a photo to chrisclockrepair@gmail.com. Then I could better assist you.
A very helpful video. Thank you. I am working on an Urgos, but this is similar enough.
Excellent.
nice job. clear concise and thorough!
I appreciate that.
Very nicely explained. Thank you.
Your welcome
Chris, thanks again as the chime side went out of adjustment. I switched from flathead screws to socket head setscrews. These can be tightened much better. As my hands are not as nimble as yours, I hold the fly fan (thus the stop pin) in place with a clothes pin. Keep it up!!
Hhahaha that’s awesome
Thanks for an amazing video chris, helped me save a malfunctioning Kieninger even though works are not exactly the same. Help of this quality is like rocking horse droppings on the Internet, brilliant, thanks again.
Feedback like that is more valuable than gold 😀
Chris, your video was a big help fixing a problem that was strange to me. The problem was when the clock reached 12 o'clock, it would only strike 2 times. The rest of the times with the chimes and 1-11 o'clock strikes everything worked perfectly. After viewing your video I realized that the snail was not adjusted correctly and so after fixing that things worked as they should. Thanks
Great job!
I have a 1151-050 H sitting waiting for me to work on (mine is 114 cm as opposed to your 85 cm and the connection between the pendulum leader and the crutch on mine is a little different) so I'm expecting to watch this video at least a couple more times. Thank you - this is quite helpful. Also I like your test rack which it looks like has room for 3 movements at the same time so that gives me an idea of what to build.
Thats great to hear. My test rack can fit five or six clocks depending on the size of movements.
Thanks for the vid, it helped me with making my own clock for an AP Physics class in my high school. Excited to see more from you!
How cool! I wish i was that smart in high school! I wish you the best.
Fabulous video. Good on ya.
Excellent video explained well.
Paul Corn
Thank you so much!
Excellent video. Thank you very much. Subscribing!! This really helped me after having to change a strike spring in my Hermle 341-021.
Thats awesome!
Great work absolutely wonderful 😊
Love it. Thank you.
Great video, clear and help me a lot.
Great to hear!
Thanks for your video,so nice 👍
Hi Bro,I have a movement 451-053 Germany,don’t know chimes no work at 60 minutes,thanks
This is Brilliant, easy to understand, thank you. Would this proceedure be similar for a Bentima with Perivale movement please as I have my clock working after stripping and cleaning etc, but not sure how to 'time' the chime and strike levers with the warning wheels and associated parts. Thanking you in advance. David.
I followed you, all seemed good and logical until 15:15. I guessed 12 O'clock slot but you put it to 11 O'clock cam lobe. Why? I suppose later in this video it will be answered so I'm keeping watching. I deduce that in this position it just finished striking 11 and is setting up the rack for 12 . This video taught me a ton! I have a Kieninger RWS and this front mech looks almost identical. Go figger! As I recall it has spring return not the weight drop method. Thanks!
You're welcome. Many repairmen will adjust the snail at 12; however, I do it at 11 and then move forward to check the drop on 12 and 1. It's just a preference.
I’m excited, I took a clock completely (thanks to RUclips) apart cleaned and reassembled it. It ran and keeps perfect time but the chimes don’t work. I believe with this video and your explanation I’ll be able to get to chime again. I had no what made the chimes work or how to set it up, I just put the pieces back there I found them. I let you know.
Good job. Follow my video exactly and you will be just fine.
Well…did you give it a try?
Appreciate this; it helped me get a 451-053 back in working order after complete disassembly and cleaning (previous owner had oiled the gears and everything was gummed up after sitting idle for years). What I ran into was an issue where the gathering pallet as you called it in 5:38 was not able to be separated from its shaft, so was left with trial-and-error assembly of the unit the star wheel, gathering pallet, and the warning wheel were all oriented correctly. Compared to the quarter hour side, which made use of set screws, the hour striker side caused quite a conundrum where I thought I had it right but soon noticed an issue where the last count for an hour was being cut off. One more tooth offset of the warning wheel's pinion later, and it was back to working correctly. The difficulty of maintaining the tooth positions when putting the clock mechanism together makes me wonder why the gathering pallet wasn't secured with set screws in the design to allow both sides to be tuned after final assembly.
Thanks again for your excellent video and explanation of the mechanism
You can adjust that star wheel on those hermle movements. Watch my strike adjustment video
@@Chrisclockrepair Ah, that would have made things a whole lot easier. Thanks!
Hi Chris, Really great video, so clear, precise and easy to understand, how about a Hermle powertrain strip down and reassembly to complete the works? I have a Hermle 1151-050H 94cm which I've done a surface clean and oil but I'd like to do a full strip down. Many thanks for your time
Hi Vince, I plan on doing a series of videos where I show the tear down and reassembly of different types of movements. I will get to it. I appreciate your patience.
Thank you for all your most informative videos both in quality and topics. Is it possible for you to make a video showing installation of a rack and snail to chime and strike an Herchedes triple chime? Looking forward. Thank you
I have a lot of plans moving forward in the future and one of them is to do a video series putting many different types of movements in time like this one. I am currently working on some other personal projects at the moment however.
Beautifully explained than you. Can you also show how to install rack & snail to chime and strike for an Herchedes Westminster mantel clock. Thank you
Hi Chris, I was wondering would it be possible for you to do a video on how to change the cables on a Urgos UW66? I pickup a Howard Miller that somebody cut the cables. I have new cables but can't fine anything that shows how to change them. I have be able to get the cables off but I am a little lost on how to set the 2 gears on the front with the one coming off the drum that the cable wines up on. I see if I align the two timing marks and crank the drum up it will come to a stop. I think that is so the weights will only go up so high. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
Yes. Thats a good idea for a video.
Hi Chris love your video, great work, I am working on a Hermle 461-053H movement and having trouble how to set the gathering pallet, do you have a video on the movement or can offer some help Phil
Hi Phil. Thanks for the kind words. The positioning of the gathering pallet will be the same procedure as shown in this video. You want to advance the strike train until the hammers "drop" (this is after the star wheel lifts the hammer and completes its cycle) and then continue to move the train until the warning wheel pin is at top dead center. Then lock the train from moving by putting a clothing pin on the fly. Then press on the gathering pallet such that the arm that gathers up the rack is in its lowest position. The gathering pallet has a contour with high and low spots. Make sure the arm is resting on the lowest spot in this position. Hope that clears it up for you.
Thank you Chris for that detailed look at putting together the front works of that movement. I have a Hermle 051-050H movement and had a problem with the chime and strike. The small lever which controls correcting the strike would get “hung up” on the stop cam preventing it from spinning. I took that lever off and the clock runs perfectly now. What could be the problem ?
Do you mean 1051-050H?
I would check to ensure the lever is not rubbing on the lever behind it, the cam is not rubbing on the movement plate, check for burrs or wear on the lever tip and the cam surface.
Where on the stop cam is it stopping? And does it stop on every quarter hour? Is it always the same spot?
Hi! Thank you for your videos. They are very helpful. How would I remove the gathering pallet so I can reset it?
I use two small pry bars with a crows foot behind it to ensure I don't scratch the movement.
Amazing. You make it look so easy.
Its time for me to tear down one clock and clean it, the other is due for the oil.
On my ridgeway there is a pull type bar that hangs down it front of the hourly weight. It pushes up or pulls down. Do you know what its function is?
This is what turns on and off the “night shut-off” feature. So it doesn’t strike during sleeping hours
Hi Chris, many thanks for taking the time to do these videos. Could I just ask though, what product you use for cleaning your movements? They always look brand new, no matter what products I have tried, they never come out looking like yours. Once again many thanks.
I use a clock cleaning solution from timesavers. And i use an agitator to vibrate the solution as it sits in the bucket.
Hi Chris, nice detailed video. I have a Juba 3 chimes clock. It would only chime with the St. Micheal but wont chime with the other 2, what can be the possible issues??
The position of the music roll is probably off so the pins aren’t lifting correctly in each of the three positions
Thanks!
Absolutely! Thank you for your support.
Chris, thank you for sharing and explaining the video. Does a urgos uw666020 assemble like the one in this video and do you have a video of a urgos. Thanks for you tone and assistances.
Hi Joe. Urgos has many style of movements, so they may vary. However, if it is rack and snail, the assembly is very similar. Concepts are the same. I don’t have an urgos video yet
@@Chrisclockrepair thank you.
@@Chrisclockrepair the center gear or the time gear needs a bushing in back plate. It has a lot of play. Have the movement on test stand. It is working. But it did not and the hands would not turn the reason came to me.
This is a very good video. Thank you for taking the time and sharing your knowledge.
I have a Seth Thomas E700-000, from my moms estate. It no longer chimes on 15 minutes. I hear a click but no chime. Also, on the hour, it seems to start the Westminster chime again, while striking the hour. I tried to gently clean and oil. I plan to take the movement out again and compare to this video. Any thoughts? Thank you!
If you follow the video, you are likely to discover the problem. Sounds like the hour correction is not working properly
@@Chrisclockrepair this my first look at a clock movement but I think I got it! I know my terminology is probably completely wrong… It has a cam that determines how long the chime runs. It seems it was out of sync and would not stop at the correct location. Utilizing information from your video and watching the movement thru many cycles, I think I have the auto correction and stops working correctly. Thank you!!
@@b.r.5405 Beautiful
Hey Chris - I have a Hermle black forest and I noticed in your video you're able to easily push on the weight pulley to move the train of wheels for the chimes, however on mine it takes considerable force. With the weights on I need to pull significantly on them for the chime to run. Is this indicative of needing oil or (worse) a full rebuild?
That is certainly possible
Is the center shaft able to turn as freely as you turned it? The one I have takes the minute hand (to hard for fingers) to turn and is the same movement as yours? Thank you!
Terimakasih,mesin jam anda sama seperti jam dinding yang saya miliki ❤
I don't know what that means, but I appreciate it.
Hi Chris. Your videos are terrific and easy to follow. I’ve watched your assemble and adjust the rack and snail video several times to try diagnose my chime/strike issue. I have a Sligh grandfather clock with a Kieninger K series triple chime movement. It stopped chiming and striking. I’ve taken the dial off so I could see what’s happening. I’ve oiled the pivots I can get to with Horace Whitlocks clock oil. It now chimes on the first, second, and third quarter hours. On the hour, the drop levers raise, the chime governor spins a little, the levers drop, and then nothing. Governor doesn’t spin unless I move it but hand, then the cycle completes. Once this stop occurs, chiming and striking are random and infrequent. This 3 quarters chiming and then stopping on the hour is repeatable. Clock was serviced in a local shop about 6 years ago and ran fine. Someone may have tried to silence the chime while in progress once so as to not wake a child. Any suggestions? We don’t want to spend more $$$ for another repair so I’m trying to RUclips certify my way through this.
Thank you for any suggestions.
Jerry
A little more info…at the beginning of the hour chime cycle, the drop levers raise and the warning wheel rotates a little, but not enough for the stop pin to hit the detent. When the levers drop, nothing else happens. In all other chime cycles, the warning wheel rotates until the stop pin hits the detent. In that position, when the levels drop the chiming proceeds with the warning wheel and governor rotating as they should. I can’t see what causes the warning wheel stop pin to not make it to the detent. The first three quarters the warning wheel stop pin moves from top dead center to about the six o’clock position. On the hour it stops around the eight o’clock position. Thank you.
Okay, I understand what you are dealing with. What you want to check during the warning process (when the pin is approaching the detent) observe the chime hammers and the music roll. If the music roll is too far forward and begins to try to life the hammers during warning, you will not have enough run to lift them when the lever drops. There won't be enough power to start the sequence. So it could be the position of the music roll is off or you need to lubricate the music roll and the hammer assembly rod. If these are not the issue then it may simply be that you have worn pivot holes and there is simply not enough power to drive the chime sequence. I hope that makes sense to you.
@@Chrisclockrepair Thank you so much for your analysis and suggestions. I gave up my strong desire to take the movement apart and called a local repair shop. He identified worn pivot holes in front and back plates for at least one of the wheels. He will disassemble, clean, and repair the movement. I’m spending more than I wanted to, but will save some of the expense by picking it up from his shop and reinstalling it myself. Your videos are by far the best I’ve found on RUclips. Your easy-going approach and clear explanations are helpful to novices like me, and probably to some professionals as well. Thank you for taking the time to evaluate my issue.
Jerry
@@jerryskelly9726 I appreciate it. Thanks Jerry
Many, many thanks Chris. You're the best, a natural born teacher and mechanical engineer as far as I'm concerned. I'm not afraid to dig into my clock problem now on my Urgos 5 tube. Chris, what oil do you use and also should we put some dab of quality grease on the hammer/cam lift lobes?
I don’t use any special oil. I simply use regular clock oil and i do put grease on some points and the hammer lift points is one of them.
Thanks Chris! I'll go ahead and get a bottle of the real stuff. Also, have found my Urgos UW03078B problem, crazy! The escape wheel is loose on the shaft and just slipping like a bad clutch in a Fiat! It's pressed on and it has just worn itself loose on the splines.
@@sputnik4216 good job on catching that!
Great Video I just changed my stop chime cam (wishbone) and my chimes still not working I found when putting it back together that the stop cam pivot hole is worn would this be why chimes want to start or if it does start (speeds up and slows down then to a stop). I check all the other holes and are great. keeps great time and chimes on the left run. Hermle 1161-053HS.114 thank you
A worn stop cam pivot hole would pose a problem in the motion of the train.
Hello Sir! I have inherited a Howard Miller wall clock 613-226 from my aunt and it is at my parents house. I just got it a week ago and it seemed to be working fine, but now it seems the chimes are slower and not as loud as it was when I first got it. I wound it Saturday and it started doing this Tuesday. Could someone have put it in silent mode at an unsafe time and caused this or do you have any thoughts about this? Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
Hi Chris. I am soon to retire from my job and would love to pick up a hobby in my retirement years. Your presentations intrigue me to do what your doing. I have an emporer grandfather clock that my uncle built from a kit years ago. I want to take it apart, clean and oil it. I have the oil but what can I clean it with other than an ultrasonic cleaner? Is there any store bought cleaner I can safely use?
Sounds great! Yes there are some alternatives, but you can use an ultrasonic cleaner with out an ultrasonic machine. Thats what I do.
Well done. Thanks. Our Miller grandfather clock has this movement and chimes. It is 36 years old now, and the westminster strikes the hour but does not play all the notes. It seems to play every other note. The other two chimes do not strike all the notes either. Any suggestions on what to look for and how to fix?
At 36 years of age, it is likely in need of an overhaul. If the clock runs, but is not chiming all the notes, are the hammers moving and missing the chime rods? I would need more info to help you.
@@Chrisclockrepair All the rods are present, and all the hammers move. Some hammers move and strike with sufficient force, some do not, and one or more do not strike rods. For its entire life, it has been set to Westminster, but now trying the other settings, the same happens with striking/non-striking, so it is not dependent on the setting.Thanks for getting back to me.
You're welcome. It has been my experience that around 35 years to 40 years of age, these clocks begin to stop running properly due to wear from friction.
Hi Mr Chris, in my german chiming clock hour hand striking wrongly like for 7 th hour it striking 6 times and sometimes for 1st hour it striking 13 times whereas how to correct it any idea?
Hi Chris. Been watching your video as I have a question about a triple chime table clock with Hermle 050 movement. The level that operates the triple chime, when you adjust sometimes you can feel the steps when adjusting and other times especially when you lift the lever up it feels loose and floppy and then sometimes moving down to Westminster chime there's resistance.
I noticed that you get none of this when you lift the hammers up and adjust, the lever feels normal. I took the movement out and the issue is with the first hammer, the one towards the dial, it ocassionally stops the music wheel to move to the left and when you lift this one hammer it releases.
I have an issue on another movment. IS this normal?
It sounds like the music roll is advanced a bit too far and it is catching the hammer lift when you move it
Great video! Where did you learn how to do this?
I trained under a clock repairman.
Hi Chris again. I solved the problem of my last question. I saw the problem as the music roll got stuck at the end.
Now another question, why it is that the 4 4 cam wont move after the drop of the drop lever?
Check your warning pin location when chime finishes. It should be at top dead center
Hi Chris,
Agree with everyone that this is a great video!
Hoping you can help me trouble shoot a problem I'm having on my Ridgeway grandfather clock movement. When the smaller drop lever drops into the stop cam at the three quarter hour, it drops into the wedge of the stop cam and then it won't chime the three quarter chime. It looks like the drop lever isn't getting lifted high enough out of the wedge to get it to chime at the three quarter hour. As the clock keeps ticking and moves on to the hour chime sequence, the drop lever will lift correctly and strike, but at that point it's striking the prior three quarter chime sequence and not the hour chime sequence because it didn't strike back at the three quarter hour. Is there something that needs to be realigned to correct the stopping problem at the three quarter hour? Thanks!!!
It sounds like there is "not enough run" on the warning wheel and so when it warns, the cam only moves a small amount and thus drops back into the stop cam. Then when it gets to the hour, the additional run allows it to go. It sounds like you need to reposition the cams relative to the warning wheel (so that the warning pin is at top dead center) when the levers are in the stop cam.
I have a simple single hammer striking clock whicn intermittently does not chime. If you raise the hammer a tiny bit by hand it continues to chime. Is it something sticking every now and then? Any ideas on what to check? Thanks..😊
It may need cleaning and lubrication. I would start there.
Good morning
Do you know where I can find (or buy) a screwdriver with a wooden handle for a 4 mm pendulum key? THANKS
Greetings. How do you call it? Regards Bernard.
I buy my clock repair tools from timesavers.com and Merritts.
This looks very much like my 451-050 that is acting up. It will strike continuously, until the weight runs all the way to the bottom of the clock fram. Other wise, it runs well, and keeps good time. What am I missing??😕
Hi there Why must be setup on 11clock ?
thanks Tom
I set clock racks at 11 because that is the shortest step on the snail. Other repairman use 12 & 1.
When doing the repair you always go all around the snail to make sure the rack tail drops correctly on each step of the snail.
Great! Can I use cycle oil for this?
I would recommend that you use an ultrasonic cleaner without the machine. Simply put it in a bucket and submerge the parts for about 20 minutes and allowing the bucket to swirl or vibrate it with a body massager. That will turn out pretty good.
@@Chrisclockrepair Thanks! Where do i buy that in Hong Kong?
I have the trouble to put the chain back in place, any vedio to help, many thanks
I don’t have a video for this. Putting chains on should be pretty straight forward.
Hi Chris! I've been trying to figure out why my 1/4 hour chimes work but my hour chime does not, unless I manually pull the flirt on my hermle 451-050. I've noticed after inspecting that for some reason when the canon pinion pushes the wishbone piece up for the chimes, it doesn't fully push it up. I'm thinking the canon pinion or wishbone piece must be grinded down or something. Any thoughts?
That is possible yes, also your center shaft could be worn and need to be bushed.
@@Chrisclockrepair do you have a video on that? Lol
@@Chrisclockrepair also, is "Canon pinion " the correct term? I'm trying to Find a replacement but am coming up short
Hi Chris Thank you for your answer.I have another quastion.Can you make video which explain mechanism with raks going inside(2) on chime side where ends seating on the gear with snails please?I can not find anything with it on youtybe
Hi john. Do you have a picture you can send me of the mechanism you are referring to? I want to ensure I understand what you are talking about.
@@Chrisclockrepair Hi Chris I will try but I do not know how
Hi Chris I am not sure is possible to send a photo on youtube Can I send it to your email address instead please?
@@johnnovak9724 yes. To my email.
Thank you sir, this was a great video. I have a HERMLE 1150 050 that i changed out from my clock and installed per the instructions given. (bought a new movement) It works but sometimes the hour strike hangs up and some hours i get no chime, i can get it to chime if i pull a little pressure on the strike weight it will go, other times it seems to loose an hour. It could be working going along and i will hear a weird “pop” noise during the chime then I may lose an hour for the strike. (Ie let’s say it’s 6 pm on the clock has been right on time all along them it strikes 5 times. I checked the snail and seems like the rack is falling right where it needs to be for the hour. I’m just at a loss and the clock company in Mass i ordered it from has not given me any help and i don’t really have a local clock repair person to look at it. Thanks
Thank you. Allright. Here are some things to check.
1. Rack is dropping correctly on the snail in right position. When the hour lift has just passed, the rack should drop at the beginning of the next step.
2. Is it possible that the rack hook can fall behind the snail. Pull snail all the way forward and rack all the way back and check to see if it can get behind there. If yes, bend rack hook so it can’t.
3. Is the snail changing positions? If you lift the snail as far as it goes and rotate it, can it move to another location on the reverse when next to it? If so, need to ensure this cannot happen.
4. Is there run on the strike lift. The strike should lock just after the the strike finishes so there is buildup of speed before the first strike. Also put a little grease on the star wheel points of contact.
5. Is the locking arm (piece that locks on gathering pallet) lifted high enough so that the rack fully drops without catching on the gathering pallet pin. Sometimes this locking arm can come down on the rack before it finishes its fall.
Thats what i would check. Good luck.
@@Chrisclockrepair so i took most of the stuff off from the front except for the gathering palllet, and when i set the strike by hand and stopped it after the drop, and the warning wheel at top dead center my gathering pallet was at a 45 degrees from being vertical. I aligned it to up and down like you installed it then followed the rest of your video to make sure all cams were put on right with warning wheels etc at Top Dead Center. Hopefully this will help me and fix my hang up. Thank you for such an awesome and calmly explained video.
So things seem a little better, but for some reason the hours of 7-11 the strike “runs out of steam” like it just can keep itself going to strike all 7,8, etc times. Again if i pull a little on the weight i can make it complete the hour strikes. The weird “pop”
I hear when i do this sounds like it’s skipping on whatever is hanging it up. Star wheel? I may need to adjust the gathering pallet again as after all said and done the warning wheel pin is just off of Top dead by 1/8 or a so turn. I haven’t seen the locking arm falling prematurely, i need to make some sort of timing rack so i can run everything outside the clock structure so i can watch all wheels and pinpoint the hang up. Last attempt before I contact the movement seller to take it back or repair it..
@@Go2Sleep911 do you have the correct weight and is the movement oiled?
@@Chrisclockrepair this model has heaviest weight on the chime (rt side) and the 2 other weights are the same weight within 1oz of each other. The movement is brand new (2 months old) i didn’t put any oil on any of it when installed because the install instructions did not indicate the need for it. Thought it would have been oiled from manufacturing assembly
chris, i have the franz hermle 1051-020 11cm/200.73 can you tell me what the 11cm/200.73 means? being this movement is like 30 years old and only runs for say 5 minutes and a local clock maker said oil and time band are needed, i would like to find out if i might be able to replace the movement with a more modern unit?
is there a movement cross reference chart i can check into? also what does those numbers mean i figure the 1051-020 is the model of the movement but what does the 11cm.200-73 mean? is there a chart that talks of those numbers? unless that 11 cm is the length of the stem the hands fit on or the diameter of that shaft the hands fit on and the 200.73 may be the hands length? i just can't find a movement that is under 270$ but i do see nos movements on ebay but are 340-020a movements so i have to find a chart that tells me want movements cross over.
by the way what is a time band? could that be the mainspring for the time that you wind up? this clock has 3 windup points one is the time one i figure is the chimes but what does the 3rd one do? if by chance i may be able to take out the time band and clean it and oil it and reinstall it? or swap it out with one of the other springs? but my guess is it is so old it may be sloppy and not keep good time? thanks
11cm is the length of the pendulum. 200.73 is beat rate, the number of beats per minute the pendulum makes when it is keeping correct time. Useful if you have an electronic clock timer. This model Hermle is sold in a number of pendulum lengths. Each has a different time train gearing setup, particularly the escape wheel tooth number. I've had a number of people refer to the mainspring as a "time band". The three holes wind three springs, one each for the time, chime (quarter hours) and strike (hours). The springs can be taken out without taking the whole thing apart. There is a number on each spring barrel and new springs and barrels can be purchased at clock supply houses. The 3 springs are not interchangeable and are different strengths. You can also replace the entire movement with a new one. They are still made. No cross reference needed. Just buy a Hermle 1051-020 11cm.
@@dperry428 thanks you. you were the only one to get me all that info. they got it to run i think it was wound to tight. they say you can't over wind them but i have had a few that were over wound and when i kept them going for a few hours they took off and ran perfect. they did this to there clock and it has kept perfect time now for a month. so it was wound to tight. again thanks
I've always been good with large & small Mechanical things but Can't imagine being able to understand How to Assemble something like This ! .....I just Can't get a logical mental understanding how this Mechanical maze nightmare goes together or Works...
It is overwhelming at first; however, with patience and a good study of how it works will prove helpful
Is that really the 11 o'clock slot on the snail if so are all the snails the same or similar that that spot is more like a slanted hump?
That’s a good catch. I actually was off one tooth and had to fix it after the video.
@@Chrisclockrepair thank you for replying im in the hospital and felt like i need to confirm by looking at a clock I wont be back at work for a while and not knowing would of haunted me
@@Chrisclockrepair do most clocks have to have the pin on warning wheel at top center i usually put them a one third of the travel from lever, have i been doing it wrong
@@rccl4487 From all that i know and have seen it is at top dead center
Great , where are you located?
Detroit Metro Area in Michigan.
Mycuckooclockneedsrepair. Itstoppedplaying music and hournot cliciking. Canyou fixit for me?
How can i buy a clock
I have a 1985 Pearl brand GC movement 1161_850 w/ special mainspring barrel. I can't get to the spring inside, how do you get to it?
Send me some photos to my email.
@@Chrisclockrepair sent via Messenger, not sure your email
About clear as mud.
How do you adjust the lever that makes the clock go into warning on the quarter hours?
You don’t adjust the lever. You adjust the cams.
@@Chrisclockrepair what if the lever with the pin gets jammed?
@@jordanbusby6231 In order for me to help you, please be more specific what what pin exactly and what is it jamming on exactly and at what point does it jam?
@@Chrisclockrepair the pin on the lever that contacts the star wheel it jams on the star wheel
@@Chrisclockrepair Chris, do not deal with Jordan Busby. He is a mentally challenged troll from Lawrence County Tennessee who fancies himself a clock collector and will bug you with inane questions, sometimes totally unrelated to clock issues. He and his friends find it humorous to taunt those who engage in his juvenile online activities. I eventually had to block him from my channel.
Hello how it get in india , i need such mehanisome
I am not sure what resources are available there.
Can i get a barrel wheel
You can order barrel wheels from timesavers.com.
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Can you give me reply
Reply given. Sorry for the delay.
Do Mechanical Clock movement Designers go out of their Way to make it Impossibly Over-Complicated puzzle ?? ....There's got to be a much Simpler way !! .....A Hundred Impossible assembly Miracles required to get this Nightmare Headache together !!
Lol!
Hey Chris do you know where I can get the parts I need for my Howard Miller mechanical wall clock model number 612-581 Westminster
Check merritts. Call and ask. They often have used movements they sell, but you have to call and ask.