Why I SOLD my BMW F900XR after only 6 MONTHS
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- Despite a promising start, I never really gelled with the F900 and here's why :(
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8:54 Saying you never used the cornering ABS is a bit like saying you never used the airbag in your car...
Fair comment, I should have chosen a different example of a 'useless' gadget :)
@@RocketMan_Moto Please don't take this as a negative comment but a polite one, to firstly note the same - that you probably wouldn't have been aware that the cornering abs was in fact keeping you safe.
But secondly, whilst it was of course one's choice not to use the suspension setting - personally I have found these very useful indeed on my GS - you were using the adaptive suspension. Some folks seem to confuse the stiffness settings with the fact that the suspension is adaptive, and that whatever stiffness setting you have chosen the suspension is constantly making rapid adjustments as you ride. It's a bit like the adaptive sports suspension you can option for bmw - and other - cars (I have it on my m240i).
Btw, I love keyless go as well!
I hope you find these comments constructive, with kind regards.
Unless you are a professional, and without measuring tool, you will never know precisely when the ABS kicks in. I would NEVER consider ABS a "useless gadget". It is NOT a gadget, it is a safety feature to keep you alive.
@@mattingray5651 you can feel ABS kick in on some of the systems. I can't comment on the latest ones but if they have become undetectable that's quite recent. They make the whole bike shudder a lot when they do go.
@@samuelcurran714 The new BMW's don't start noticeably pulsating right away, there is a gradual regulation of brake pressure depending on the situation (aggressive pulsation at lean would not be a good thing). On the BMW connected app you can see exactly at what points during a ride any of the rider aides was active. Often the points of mild intervention go completely unnoticed by the rider.
I live in Portugal and I bought a F900R in May of 2020. I was watching your video and I feel like everything that happened to you, happen to me. In fact I made a video in December talking about some of the problems that I found in my bmw but I never release it, because I didn't want to warm the brand. I had issues with leaking oil from engine and anti freeze while the engine was too hot (as usual). The costumer service was terrible I even complain to BMW in germany but it was nothing to them, they didn't care. I tell all my fans and friends that the premium quality you buy in BMW it isn't there. The engine is quite boring and the differences in dynamic pro modes aren't there. The quickshift is the worst that I ever experienced ever.
Congrats for the video, maybe soon I will release mine. Regards :)
Oh wow, it sounds as if you had a very similar experience to me. I would like to see your video :)
FFA I also have loss of oil. This has been going on for months now. The dealer was too busy to take the bike, and I was adding oil. Then they took it, couldn't see any leaks, filed a case to the support and toped it. I rode about 1200km and had to add 500ml. because it was at the minimum which Apparently I shouldn't had done because it messed with the procedure (they didn't tell me this in advance). I went back to the dealer, they changed the oil and told me to ride 1000km or until the oil is to the min, which happened at the same time. They took it again, and called me to say that the support's answer was that the dip stick shouldn't be trusted and that the oil was overfilled and the bike was burning the excess???? They supposedly drained the same amount they put, which can't be true as I was regularly checking the level going down. Did you find where the leak was comming from? I read other cases of leaks so this might be a common issue. I can't see any drips or oil residue on the engine.
When so called "Premium" is only the price..
@FFA The engine of that bike is designed and built in china by Loncin, a Chinese brand known for copying Honda engines for years. 👎
Not worth buying that bike when you have Japanese bikes with engines still made in Japan for the same amount of money. 🤷♂
Appreciate your guy's opinions and experiences. I was on the fence between the F900XR and Triumph Street Triple RS (I know they're two completely different bikes lol)
but now I think I'm pretty convinced to just go with the Triumph.
Bad reviews are equally as important, if not more important, than good reviews. Thank you for sharing your experience.
Thanks, Doug :)
I agree 100% on the sentiment
It isn't a review. It's just a explanation why Rocketman wasn't satisfied with his choice. You could ague about the reason of his experience. To me it seems a bit strange but it seems that his expectations where just too high related to the price. By the way I don't own a BMW, never had one either.
@@hermanstokbrood You just defined review, lol.
@@TK-cl1jm not really. An opinion from an (ex) owner perspective is worth 10 times the review of an "professional" review of a few hours.
Thanks for making this video, I have heard similar concerns about all BMWs. People laud the GS but I know enough people who’ve had problems with them. This video is refreshingly honest, I do get tired of the ‘celebrity’ motovloggers who ride a bike once, proclaim it’s amazing and never say a bad word about any brand they review. Great work.
Thank you, Graham :) I agree that there's too much 'advertising' on RUclips, which is why I try to be as objective as I can :)
@@theboxingbiker I have had Yamaha's for 37 years now and only once had an engine problem, that I had not noted before the dealer already fixed it. No other issues whatsoever. They are super reliable
I’m glad you made many of the observations you did on this bike particularly in relation to manufacturing, reliability and service standards as it equates to value. It’s important for people to understand that there is not an exponential increase in enjoyment when one pays more. In fact with motorcycles it would seem as though there is more joy in owning something simple and engaging in the simple pleasure of riding.
Exactly, Jeremy. It's a law of diminishing returns. I was considering the Triumph Speed Twin, but the saw the Trident and wondered how the ST could be worth twice the price. Once bitten, twice shy, eh? Hopefully the Trident demonstrator should be here next week :)
@@RocketMan_Moto might even be negative returns. exclusivity means much less accessories and parts. less knowledge base, and more time with the bike at the dealer to fix questionable features like auto cornering headlights.
Unfortunately you had a bas experience with the dealer but that changes nothing on the bikes quality, options or any other gadget you have chosen. I don't like the 850 or 900 because of theyre 270 degrees crancshaft. I dont like any bike with 270 crancs. Anyhow al modern bikes these days are loaded with things you don't need but like you people are buying it. Useful gadget cornering ABS (fortunately) you did´nt need to use it.
I'm a BMW rider that after horror stories that happened to me with two new CRF1100L hondas in a row... i love the service at my local dealer. Informatif, friendly, always prepared to find a solution.
Anyhow I hope you find the bike your gonna be happy with.
Remember these days there al computers on wheels 😊
@@dvdh4937 Really? 270 degree is without question the best version of an inline twin. ruclips.net/video/a9ZFZABaLbg/видео.html
Very interesting ,informative and insightful. I have only owned one BMW and that was an R1000 way back in 1979. The strange thing is I had multiple issues with that bike which BMW in the UK were reluctant to resolve. I kept it for a year but traded it on a Z1000 after the charging system failed . 41 years later I still own the Z1000.
Keep posting videos please they are very good.
Thank you, Dave. Wow, 41 years with the same bike. I'm impressed!
Yes I had a very bad experience with a brand new k1600 bmw here in Australia .To cut a long story short will never buy a bmw bike again .Have gone back to a Honda and once again have a smile on my face
@@RocketMan_Moto - This will seem a bit funny in the light of Dave's comment, but I bought a new (old stock) 1977 R100/7 in Feb. 1979, and I still use it 43 years later. It's had a few problems, but nothing more than was typical of 1977 motorcycles in general. I don't plan to update.
Thanks for the honest review. For about 8 months I'm the owner of a 900XR and agree with some of your comments but also believe it is of interest to others who are deciding on a new motorcycle to provide a counter perspective. I'm very happy so far with this bike, same color, and specs as yours. What I like is that it has the latest state of the art safety features, even though I try to avoid using them :-). I also believe it is a very easy bike to ride and yes, its motor might not be as lively as engines in other bikes, the nice thing is that it develops its power very smoothly along the entire rev-range and that is a good thing in my opinion. A more nervous bike would be harder to control even though it would excite more. I ride mostly on long tours and hence, I like the cultivated aspect of it and the convenience features of keyless start and the cruise control. The big TFT display might not matter too much while driving but the ease of use when changing settings in the menu matters a lot. I love the display and would not want to miss it. I made some select changes with aftermarket parts to improve looks, sound, and usability for me. Nothing is perfect but compared to other bikes of the Sports Tourer category I'm still convinced this is an excellent choice.
Thanks for your input. I'm glad you're happy with your bike :)
Well I got my F900XR yesterday, I've put in 300km since and I have to say it does feel premium to me..I'm coming from a Tiger 800XRT(2019) and this bike is without a doubt a lot better. Better handling, more forgiving, doesn't need to be high revved all the time and has plenty of power, the BMW TFT and Connected app are also very very good.
To me the negatives are 1- wind protection, I'm small 1.72m and the amount of wind I get on the motorway is nuts, getting a new screen(ordered the MRA Vario) to try to fix that and 2- the seat, the standard seat is not comfortable at all, 1h in and my butt is screaming for help but as these are still early days I'll wait a couple of weeks to see if it gets better. To each their own but so far I really like how the bike feels. Regarding the dealers, well I can't comment on BMWs yet but had my share of issues with Triumph so I guess its just luck. Anyway stay safe and since you've moved to the Algarve I might see you on the road.
Thanks, Jose. It's great that you're pleased with your F900XR. I agree the seat is not the best. I tried fitting the comfort seat, but it was no better and I sent it back. Ride safe :)
The seat doesnt get any better, If you want to keep the bike for long journeys you going to have to change it.
Your correct when you say it’s how you feel on riding a motorcycle...I’d imagine you’d have been happier with a Yamaha Tracer 900. Ride safe
I discounted the Tracer when I saw the 'sexy new' BMW, but I was wrong. Lesson learnt ;)
@@RocketMan_Moto The riding position on the Tracer is slightly different, you may not enjoy it. Engine is great but throttle is very twitchy. Knows only on and off... so a remapping is needed to fix the issue. My personal two cents...
Have heard the same
I have watched hundreds of motorcycle reviews on RUclips but never really commented on any. However, your unbiased and balanced opinions made me type these: well done! Excellent points presented in a simple fashion. You got a subscriber in me. Cheers!
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed the video :)
I second that opinion. Clear, considered appraisal and criticism, always objective and well presented. A wonderful pace of delivery, too - concise and easily understood. I have watched so many channels that are repetitive and fail to convey the point in question, many I stop after 30 or 40 seconds. Have watched all of yours from start to finish - very professional, you have another new subscriber. Wonderful to see you enjoying life in Portugal too.
I love the look of the F900R and spent hours configuring my ideal bike, and pored over every RUclips video. However, a short ride on a demo bike quickly shattered my dreams. Within minutes, my fingers tingled with the vibrations fed through the handlebars and I was also horrified at the metallic noises the engine makes. It was a wet day in Scotland and the demo bike had road filth all over it - which isn’t really surprising given how small the mudguards are. In the end I decided to stick with my trusty NC750X; however, like you, the new Triumph Trident is currently looking very appealing.
I look forward to your findings.
Like you perhaps, I was taken in by the looks (and price without options), but in reality, it was a let-down. Oh well, I like changing bikes fortunately, lol. I'm hoping the Trident demonstrator will be here in the Algarve next week, so stay tuned for the review :)
Did you buy the Trident? I was considering one but was put off by the hot start and engine cutout issues some owners are having.
(Cold start)
There are two serious problems that should prevent anybody from purchasing a BMW motorcycle. One, they break a lot. Too, the dealer network is full of crooks who overcharge you, give you bad service, and rip you off whenever they can. This is the same issue that is killing the Harley-Davidson brand. The officers of the company are completely oblivious to this and continue to shoot themselves in both feet.
345,000 miles on BMW motos with absolutely no service issues. And yes, they are too expensive!
I’ve been biking for over 40 years and most of my history in biking was with the big Japanese brands. About 8 years ago I bought my first BMW and have had several since then. My local dealer is exceptional and I’ve no plans to change but I don’t think that’s all down to BMW as everyone’s experience is different just think I was lucky to have a very good dealer on the doorstep.
A good dealer is essential. You lucked out :)
Thanks for sharing RocketMan. 👍 I am a VStrom rider for a while and couple of days ago had a chance to try F900XR. Also, if you say that heat from engine in traffic bothers you, I would frankly say that it was wrong man for the bike, not the other way around. I My next bike is hopefully F900XR.
Thanks for your comment, Neo. Heat wasn't the main issue. It was just the fact that I found the engine very lacklustre, which made the whole bike a little dull to ride. I hope you enjoy yours, though :)
@@RocketMan_Moto - absolutely brother, preferences are like tastes, not something should be discussed beyond mentioning. I got your point after first viewing of your video. Mentioned heat cause heat means standing, my way of driving is "...always in motion..." 👼
I am lucky enough to be employed working on automotive instrument clusters, and watching the clear footage of the IC here is a treat. But OUCH! The speedo skips numbers when you accelerate or decelerate, instead of elegantly counting up and down. You were absolutely right to sell the bike.
It was beautiful, but unnecessarily complicated for my needs :)
Very good video
All reviews are about specifications and not about service issues and recalls.
Japanese motorcycles may not be so lovely, but at least you can enjoy them without any problems.
True enough.
Thank you for sharing your opinions of the XR. Your “Customer Service” at the BMW dealership was TERRIBLE. Fortunately mine in Barrington, Illinois has been good as it should be considering the expense.
Service in the US is generally on a different level to what we get in Europe, especially in the south
@@RocketMan_Moto There’s PLENTY of bad service in the US, even in Southern California.
I don’t have any of these issues...luckily!
Mine is a f900r, don’t have the heat issue as the R has less fairings, the Bluetooth can work 100% if you let your phone connect first and then switch on your helmet Bluetooth. The cornering light its amazing as i do ride in the night, the sound its “fixed” with an exhaust as i do with all of the bikes.
After about 1000 miles 1st gear always clicks in, and the quick shifter gets better with use also its advisable to use it at higher engine speeds.
The handling is very good also, and comes with a lot of small things that many other bikes don’t come as standard such as metal brake hose, steering damper.
The cornering abs is something that you will not “feel” at work unless you go for it properly...if you do feel it working probably you are going to fast.
Im not critical about your driving but you seem to do a nice slow, relaxing drive. I think the f900r/x is meant to be handled a bit rougher.
That’s when it comes alive.
I think you just had a bad dealer experience and that tainted everything.
Glad you're happy with your F900R and thanks for the comment :)
Correct. Once your on the road and riding the bells and whistles do bugger all.
Indeed, Brian :)
Most useless trinket imho is an aftermarket ... Gear indicator.
@@ktkace I had one of the first in the country back in the day fitted to my Suzuki GS750DB 1977 Model.
A stunning UJM and oddly now in the classic world worth about a third or a quarter of the price of its GT750 two stroke cousin. However the digital gear indicator was an absolute boon in wet weather. It forever told me my five speed gearbox had six gears as the water got into the display and the bike went from fourth to sixth........
Thanks for that RM, I greatly value your honest insight. I currently ride a Honda NC750X but am considering an upgrade to the F900XR. I'll continue pondering and look forward to seeing your next ride. a Triumph I suspect :-) Good to see you posting again.
Thanks, Kevin. The F900XR is probably an upgrade from the NC750X, but perhaps not by as much as you think. The Trident is tempting me... :)
I had both bikes and it is clearly an update
I do agree with your sentiments regarding patreons, merchandise and reminders to subscribe.
However, I do like my F900XR and prefer it to the Honda Africa Twin that I owned and the Tiger 900 GT PRO that I had ridden.
It’s these differences in our individual likes and dislikes that means it’s good we should actually experience everything for ourselves and not base too much on anyone else’s opinions. Our tastes are as different as our physical builds and we are all the better for that.
Thanks for that, Roger. Bikes are like women, I suppose - difficult to pin down exactly what you like (or not) about them. Fortunately, as you say, we're all different :)
@@RocketMan_Moto 😊 funny. 👍💃🏍️
I have to say that it's quite rare on the internet opinions given in such a gentleman's like fashion. Kudos for you both. I wish there were more people like you making their comments on the internet.
Rocket man, like you I went from the F900XR to a Triumph Speed Twin. The Speed Twin is a artwork in motion.
Certainly is. Still loving it after nearly 2 years😊
I’ve ridden BMWs since 1984, my first a ratty 1979 R100RT. My local dealer was a tiny family business near York and couldn’t have been better. I still have several ratty airheads but also have had newer bikes, a 2014 GSA being the newest. In terms of sales, I’ve been impressed and happy (price aside). The service beyond that has been getting progressively worse. The GSA stated to rust on the frame and subframe at barely 3 years old and with tiny mileage. I was initially fobbed off with excuses about salt on British roads and other such tripe. A long story short, the dealer (Surrey based) lied about what BMW had offered, the bike was bodged with a crap repair, returned with many faults not least 3 of 4 engine bolts loose (one actually sticking out), parts damaged and the fairing on the skew. In total I lost the use of my bike for 4 months and after telling them to keep the bike and pay me full market value on the basis that I could have no faith in a workshop so shoddy.
As regards rider modes, all these do is pretty much alter throttle response. An engine cannot produce more power but can be limited (rain mode for example).
BMW were a rich man’s toy but the others have long since caught up and exceeded in many cases. I won’t buy another in likelihood.
It sounds as though you had a similar experience to me, Ian :(
I Had a F900XR as a loaner when my S1000R was having maintenance done. Its not a bad bike, its just a very boring bike :-)
My thoughts exactly. Not as special as it should be.
I got my first BMW 3 months ago, a 2003 K1200gt only 4000 miles !!! BUT !!!! The more i rode it the more I realized that I didn't care for it !!! 7 days later I traded it in for a triumph tiger 1050 that I love !!!! To ride 😄😄😄😎😎😎😎🍺🍺🍺
Thanks for the update. As far I understand, your poor experience is a combination of several things
1) you probably had to much expectations regarding BMW's bikes, and their "options"
2) The very bad experience you've had with the service
3) You owned one of the very firsts bikes with some troubles. Many things have been fixed or improved since (even if it's still sometimes difficut to find the neutral when gearbox is cold)
4) It's possible this bike was finally not for you
I'm enjoying my F900 Xr since 2 months. I love riding it. Very easy to handle. Linear power is a must for me, together with its screen and all safety "gadgets". Near to first service, I cannot tell you about its quality yet. My side, It worth its money. Different riding needs I assume.
Anyway, enjoy your next bike !
Spot on! I'm glad you like your F900XR, it just wasn't right for me :)
Couldn't have put it better myself !
I was wondering, after 2 years, do you still like the bike, and do you have any issues with the engine? I'm considering buying a 900 xr at the moment.
@@Robrecht_van_Bethune oh my goodness, YES.
It is still a wonderfull bike ! It always gives me a smile at each ride
@Fx Hirn Thank you for your response. I read a lot of bad comments on YT about the Chinese engine. But when I talk to owners like you on insta or YT, they all react positive... so there's no need to worry for me, probably, Thanks and enjoy your day !!
Thanks for the superb review. I have many friends who try to sell me on the latest Beemer models. For the most part, they're fan boys and absolutely rave about their bikes despite the fact that we often have to skip rides because theirs is in the shop - "it's not broken! It's just in for service! You have to expect service to be more frequent and expensive on finely tuned machines." When we ride, they make socially appropriate kind comments about my bikes, despite the sympathetic look in their eyes as if I've just told them my cat was hit by a car.
I'll keep my lower quality Kawasakis. They're nowhere near as awesome according to my fan boy friends, but I paid less than half and neither bike has had a single shop day since they left the crates. Zero tech on my Versys, so I just have to use old fashioned riding skills to keep up. It's working fine so far.
Best yet, my Kawasakis don't sound like jig saws going down the road.
Thanks for your feedback
Cornering abs is not something you choose to use. It's like saying "my car has 6 airbags, but I've never used them.
hopefully you will never need to use them, but it's reassuring to know you have a system that can save you in an emergency.
True :)
true... beer bottle in blind 'n tight corner... w/o modern abs and fork i'd b minced meat ;)
Kawasaki puts a neutral finder even in cheaper line of their machines. What it does is make sure that if you're stopped and on 1st, one pull of the gear lever will always put the tranmission in neutral. It's such a nice feature, I use it every day... And Suzuki bikes come equipped with low-rpm assist and one-tap starter... these are the features I find useful in the real world, unlike quickshifters and riding modes. But as long as people make purchase decisions based on marketing videos, brochures and paid reviews, the trend is not gonna stop and soon the world will be flooded with used, faulty bikes, which at the core are nothing but heavy and unexciting. That's why I think the engine performance, sound, and the ride quality will always be the most important factor when choosing your next motorcycle. This just reminded me why I ride a 19' Kawasaki Z1000SX :)
Thanks for that, Dominik. I was unaware of Kawasaki's neutral assist gizmo :)
Kawasaki's marketing slogan is "Good times riding", they know what they are doing.
Your reviews are very informative, especially after you sell the bike 😀
Lol, yeah maybe I'm a bit less 'in love' and more objective when I sell them :)
Thank you very much for the honest video about the BMW F 900 XR. I myself also like its appearance, but it is the problems with the neutral gear and the concerns of others regarding maintenance and repair that make me doubt about replacing the current bike, which works flawlessly.
Glad it helped👍😊
Thank you for pointing out your follow-up. It is much appreciated and, of course, I would have hoped that 6 months later you would still have been excited and happy with your purchase. Sorry that was not the case but given your experiences, including the allowance for the caveats of time and place and potential run of luck, I too expect a more premium experience when spending the money for what I consider to be quality german machines (my bike is BMW and my vehicles are Mercedes all of which come with a price tag and an expectation I have when turning the key in the ignition). I completely understand your reaction. Once again your careful documentation and thoughtful insights are helping me to think clearly about my next purchase and I sincerely appreciate that.
Glad it was of use to you, John. I don't want to put people off unnecessarily, but the experience I had with this bike was very disappointing given the brand's premium reputation.
Love the scenery I should drive to portugal at least once in the future
Beautiful country, but much of it is out of bounds at the moment, of course :(
Thank for this video. It validates a lot of my reservations about current motorcycle trends with technology overkill. TFT screens all the other add ons , I would rather see manufacturer make basic bikes and as standard and every other item a add on. ( Like triumphs new speed triple, comes withouth electronic suspension.
Exactly, Peter. I have learned a valuable lesson: we really don't need all this technology, but manufacturers love it, of course, because it gives them healthier profit margins :)
Hi Peter, Feel the same. Keeping my 19 cb500x, won't ever sell, best ever do it all bike going. Buying a 21 gsxs750 today after now wanting to peel my eyelid's back on the paved pathways. Simple tech bike with Japanese pedigree. No brainer for me, can't do the crotch rocket lie down & pray on the distance journeys.Stay Safe & Smiling 😀
@@malcaithness9889 ha ha, funny eh, I got my cb500 because of rocket Man, and I don't regret it,(2018 version, because of 17 wheel.) I was considering the gsxs 750 recently, but was worried it would be too small, (6ft,1inch ) so I am now looking at a 2015 fz8 with 5000 miles on the clock. Because of it 1460mm wheel, as I can't find anything long enough that I can afford (😉🙂 BMW ) pls do let me know how the Suzuki feels.
Thank you
If I lived in a nice dry climate like that it would have to be the Tiger 850 Sport, no 6-Axis IMU just basic ABS/Traction and manual suspension and a cracking engine. Good value too.
Indeed. I bought a triumph tiger 1050 2020 last week and some people complain about no quick shifter and the "old" dashboard. I don't care, it's the basic of motorcycle riding that I search for not the tft or quick shifter or... 😊😊 Greetings 🏍️💃
I’ve had several BMWs, not the 900 XR. But I’ve always had great customer service and have loved the bikes.
Good to hear. Thanks for your input😊👍
Done 6000 miles on my F900xr and rode the north cost 500 around Scotland and it was faultless in all weathers loaded and unloaded with accouple of GS1200, no issues . I've had great customer service in UK from BMW. The bike has plenty of go and 105 hp is there to use and in dynamic road can keep up with most things. I’ve had bigger sports bikes that were alot quicker but to be fair practically un-usable. I also tested the 1000xr before the 900 which i liked but it was on its toes constantly, you just have to work the F900XR up the revs which it eats up. I have removed the pro chip it’s not necessary. Just use the wrist. Sorry you had a poor experience with BMW. You've had problems for but most seem dealer related not the bike , we all have faults and issues and Triumph is no exception. I live 5 mins from the UK Triumph factory and know a lot of the guys that work there who say the same thing. Stay safe and enjoy what you ride.
Thanks, Paul. Hondas are great. I've had a few and, as you say, reliability and service are faultless :)
The f900 series is not a "true" BMW like the s1000r is.
Many people say that
I agree that many people do say that. Ride safe :)
Yes nice scenery :) get a 2020-21 kawasaki z900rs-cafe instead :)
Thanks. Yes, I'm looking at a naked for my next bike :)
@@RocketMan_Moto ..consider a Kawasaki z900 naked bike :)
Very good suggestion.
I've got the Cafe but run it without the nose cone. Great bike. Previously had a Street Triple R too and can't help but think the Trident is going to be a bit of an anti-climax.
If it makes you feel any better. I love when people are brutally honest about anything they have experience in. Others do want the good the bad the ugly. It does help.
Thanks, Jool :)
This is the first video I have watched on your channel. I really appreciated the way you put your feelings about the bike into words. I look forward to watching more of your videos.
Thank you :) I will hopefully be getting my hands on the new Triumph Trident in a few days, so stay tuned for that review :)
Hello Bud, I totally get this, I had a similar experience in '23, I bought a new titanium coloured Gold wing B which is the one without the sofa for the numerous reasons, after years of riding alone on my Yam XJ street cafe, I was looking to find a group or 2 to ride with, now back in the early '90s I rode several versions of the VFR then graduated to suzuki SRADs and K1s after many a td I'd given all that up 14 years ago so I bought the dct Wing, what happened was it proved to be very thirsty as I was caning it while bored on the motorway, I was trying to keep up with adventure bikes in corners- impossible!, Harley clubs resented me as it was an Asian bike, and on long solo runs I had aches and pains as the seat wasn't that comfortable so I got rid after 4 months, just before I'd bought a PCX125 and this proved the more you ride a bike the more you love it or hate it, the PCX is staying, Ive just bought an Yam XSR900 '23 and I'm yet to be convinced its as good a bike as my cafe XJ600.
Scooters are great. We use our ADV350 every day👍😊
I tested the F900XR recently and I struggled, even joked about how hard it was to find the neutral thinking it was me.. Being still A2, I am going to go for a Tracer 7GT instead. I also shared your concern about the dynamic pro mode that just felt like more noise, more vibration but no real more power, and felt disappointed even if the road settings is ok to me..I also wanted to get the side luggage but the BMW "pack" strategy makes it a too pricey proposition.. Thank you for this video!
Thanks for your comment. If you are fairly new to biking, then the Tracer 7 seems like a very good choice. I have tried the Ténéré with (more or less) the same engine and really liked it :)
I've had mine for about the same amount of time. Love it. It's the ideal training machine. It's the Tracer I'm getting rid of.
On the screen - if it was effectively transparent, then it was doing its job.
Dealerships are variable regardless of manufacturer. MY BMW dealer has always been good and I have no complaints. Its the big multi marque one I avoid, preferring single make dealerships. The smaller the better.
Price? BMW are similar to any other premium bike. I have both a Tracer and an XR so can compare directly. I do like the crossplane engine, but the fit and finish is nowhere near as good as the BMW, which is to the standard I have come to expect of this manufacturer. For the money, the BMW is streets ahead of the Yamaha.
If I have a criticism of the XR it's that it isn't a GT. The fashion for tall machines and labelling them as sports tourers is an odd one. As I say, it's great as a training bike, but I would have liked an upgraded GT.
It's a shame you didn't like yours, but all I can say is that mine hasn't manifested any of the troubles you experienced.
Pleased you're enjoying yours, Mark. As I said, it's not a bad bike, it just wasn't for me. Ride safe :)
@@RocketMan_Moto A small point about quickshifters as you mentioned it in the video. This one is smoother than the one on the RT, but not as smooth as the Tracer. That said, they are something and nothing. Most of the time, I'm using the clutch anyway because I can manually change gear more smoothly than a quickshifter.
Brilliant and fair review. An honest evaluation of your experience with the bike. While I love my 2007 R1200S and my 2010 GS, I am looking to replace the latter with something smaller and lighter, as I am 69 and am not as strong as I used to be. Your video is appreciated for providing honest information. I was particularly sympathetic to your observation about the display. When I am riding, what I want is simple and functional information: how fast am I going. Though I do appreciate the tire pressure readings, engine temperature, and other functional information when doing cross country trips. Reliability is vitally important on 8,000+ km trips!
Thanks for your feedback, Ice😊
I really appreciate honest and straight-forward videos like yours. Too often, you watch a video and it sounds like the narrator is a paid representative for the brand. I have considered this bike and now, will not. I love many things about BMW bikes however....I bought a '19 1250GS and had nothing but problems. One was on a multi-day trip hundreds of miles from home. Luckily I found a BMW dealer close by but lost 24 hours waiting on the repair. The leaking brake calipers then took a couple of weeks waiting on a replacement during prime riding season. Apparently BMW is now replacing all the front Hayes BMW calipers with Brembo. My last bike was a Kawasaki- ZERO problems. I've also owned 4 Harleys. ZERO problems. BMW needs to get it together.
Can't beat a Japanese bike for reliability!
Thanks for the honest review. It’s not just about buying the bike, it’s also about living with it and if it suits you, your needs and makes for a happy experience. Good to be reminded that big premium brands asking premium prices does not always equate to a happy experience for everyone.
Thanks for your input :)
Same for me. I bought a f900r in October 2021, was impressed with the looks, features and implied build quality - I had had 2 BMW autos in the past and they were flawless and exciting. I didn't have any repair issues, it started and ran perfectly. But after 1200 - 1300 miles I was not impressed with its performance, handling and power delivery, no thrilling ride, no excitement. So I sold it - to a guy who was the manager of a BMW auto dealership in Birmingham Alabama, about 2000 miles from me and got a 2021 street triple rs and wow, what a difference, the street is definitely the bike for me.
Different league👍
I was SO close to ordering this bike and something made me hold off. Not sure what it was but did include the fact the nearest dealer is 300 miles away and comments of high maintenance costs.
Instead I bought a Kawasaki Versys 1000 SE LT+ and to date am very fond of it. Dealer is 100 miles away and find value in the features. So smooth and comfortable and is very handsome.
Glad you're happy with the Versys, I've heard a lot of good things about them :)
Thank you 🙏
Indeed too many owners are having a similar experience to yours.
I think that is why BMW owner satisfaction surveys are as low as they are.
You're welcome. It will certainly be the last BMW I buy for a while.
@@RocketMan_Moto I own a 2020 Z900 and for some “Adventuring” just got myself the Versys X 300.
Last week the Z had some difficulties starting up after sitting covered for a week during some of the hardest rains we had here in Israel this year.
8500 km and 1 year of ownership that’s the only issue I’m a happy camper 🏕
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I've ridden it and didn't love it either.
I DO LOVE my 2017 f700GS though!!
I think the new R1250RS will be next, possibly.
I appreciate your videos, sir.
Thank you! The RS looks a fabulous bike :)
Thanks for honest opinion. Please make us informed about what will be your next bike and what experiance will you have! Really apriciate it. Thanks
Thanks for your support. Hopefully the Trident demonstrator will be here next week . If it's any good, I could well be tempted :)
I always love your reviews and your voice is super calming! You swayed my decision about getting the f900r/XR almost the same bike. I am nervous about the power and glad you gave your honest opinions! Thanks 🙏
Thank you. I was taken in by the XR's good looks, but it was surprisingly boring to ride. That plus the issues I had with it pushed me to sell and I don't regret my decision :)
I must say, I've felt these same reservations with bmw Motorrad. Thanks for your candid story! Hope you get the motorcycle you deserve, and soon :)
Thanks :) I am quite tempted by the new Triumph Trident. Hopefully I will be getting my hands on one later this week. Stay tuned for my first impressions.
@@RocketMan_Moto well. You may want to ALSO check out the speed triple 1200rs. The trident might be a bit too tame for you, especially considering how you've come from a street triple in the past.
I fully understand how you feel.
I bought a GS, most unreliable motorcycle I have ever had. As I pointed out very loudly in the showroom; “I’ve had more warranty claims with this GS in one year than in the last twenty years on Honda’s”.
BMW’s are overrated and overpriced.
I will never buy another one.
I too have never bothered with the gadgets. I hate TFT screens. I’m a competent enough motorcyclist not to require cornering ABS, traction control, riding modes, quick shifters; (Jesus Christ I have been doing clutch less gear changes since the late 1970’s) or any other expensive gimmicks for that matter.
I’ve had a wonderful 40 odd years on motorcycles, never been without one. And I’m looking forward to another 10 or so years till the sale of petrol engines are banned.
Thanks for your comment, Mr Grizzly. Rides safe :)
@@RocketMan_Moto You too my friend.😃
Interesting video, I’ve had as a UK prisoner (would live to leave but work and Covid say no) massive issues with every Kawasaki I’ve owned. I’m on my fifth BMW, all sold with big mileage and I know other people who’ve had similar issues randomly with one manufacturer or other. Still main thing is you get what makes you happy!
I agree it's the luck of the draw, especially with modern day electronics. I think I'll go 'cheap & cheerful' next time, though :)
I used to be a Honda Technician (cars-uk) and I'll never forget when they started making some of the models in the uk (to put it kindly "there were issues") maybe BMW are having issues with their Indian counterparts.
Great Video.
You may well be right. Perhaps we're reaching the limits of all this global outsourcing.
I dont think the 900s are made by Indian counterpart. TVS (Indian counterpart?) makes the 310s.
Sorry to hear this. It really sucks when a bike doesn’t meet expectations. I had always wanted the R1200GSA but could never find one that wasn’t marked way up. But I finally found a Triple Black R1250 GSA with no markup so I bought it. I do love it but if I had to do it again, I’d have gotten the GS Low suspension. Other than being a bit tall, it has met all my expectations and then some. I did get a lowered seat. Hope your next bike works out for you!
Thank you. I have had several bikes since this XR and in fact just ordered another one yesterday. Ride safe :)
Love the review, im thinking of getting one , im between tracer900 and tiger900 and this has been a great help.
Thanks. Tbh, I would get either the Tiger or the Tracer over the BMW without hesitation.
I tested the most recent vintage (2023) F900 and did not like it much. I tested a 2022 Tracer 9 and enjoyed it more. But, neither would be a reason for me to give up my R1250RS. Now there are two possiblities; one I could get soon and the other a bit of wait. One is when the new R1300RS is out in another year or so. It will drop 25lbs in weight and have even more power. The other is the new Moto Guzzi V100. I have yet to see a bike I would want to consider riding any distance that offers the comfort of either of these motorcycles.
Thanks for your feedback. I quite fancy the new 1300 GS
Welcome back, always enjoy your intelligent sounding reviews. Really surprising news, almost as surprising as when you cancelled your Triumph Rocket bike. I'm sticking with my Hondas the 2010 cbf600 great build quality and 2018 Forza 300 economic great city handler.
Ah ha, I have been eyeing up the new Forza 350... ;-)
@@RocketMan_Moto ah but the 300 is based on the tried and tested Sh300 engine. It will do 100k if looked after. Also more slightly economic so I'm happy to keep the 300cc.
A very thought provoking video, not sure I would have been so quick to move on as my internal argument would be that whatever my initial expectations for the bike were, it would not be perfect for me, because it is mass produced and so will have compromises. Fair play for moving quickly though, it would have taken me many more months of being pistol whipped by a dealership who didn't realise that I am not the many but am the one. Looking forward to the Trumpet video, the ones I've seen so far seem to be too on point with Sales blurb, which makes me suspicious, Stay safe fella .
Thanks, Mark. I'm hoping the Trident demonstrator will be here in the Algarve next week, so stay tuned for the review :)
Currently on the fence about one of these (F900R) offered one at a good price 2020 model with some of the bells and whistles, from the test rides ive had on it i think youve summed it up perfectly, i was expecting it to be a lot perkier and sound and feel much more premium, i think the one main thing that puts me off also is the weight and size of the bike, to me it feels alot heavier and bigger than it needs to be which shows in the handling and power delivery, i think perception based on looks is that it will have the excitement and character of an s1000 for example but in slightly smaller twin format factor where as reality is its nothing like anything really, its got a niche character which is hard to explain until you ride one.
I believe the most recent model-years have improved, but I’m still not convinced by that engine. Thanks for your input👍😊
It just seems it's not a bike for you at all. Different bikes for different persons, like you said. Very nice speech that made my focus full on video. 👍
Thanks, Stephan. Stay tuned for the test of the Triumph Trident, hopefully next week :)
I had a bmw s1000XR in the past and had no issues. I also had a BMW s1000R which had issues, and an s1000R which had dangerous faults - which they refused to acknowledge and said it was my riding! So I got a friend to ride it and film it..... same issues, eventually they took the bike back as I was taking them to court and settled the finance. Right now I have a 5 series BMW for my car and its been great so far..... Mixed bag I guess, like anything else you could just get unlucky with niggles, but no excuse for bad aftercare.
Agreed. Vehicles have become so complex nowadays, that the slightest problem is a major headache to fix and we are totally reliant on the dealer.
I own a 900xr at the moment, for 6 months now. I rode 11000 kilometers on it without any issues. I must say I have a 2023 model and not a 2020 like yours. Before this bike, I was a Ducati 950s supersport owner. That bike was brand new, I sold it after only 9 months already because that bike has a lot of issues. Everybody else with a supersport seems to be quite happy...mine was probably made on a Monday morning...😅. Before that, I rode triumph ( Daytona, streettriple). Actually, i only missing 20 hp more on the bmw 900xr because I'm used to have a 120 hp.. but that's the only negative I can say about the 900xr... oh, and the seat, the seat is awful.. but changed with a wunderlich, and it's OK now.
Thanks for your feedback. Ride safe😊👍
Totally agree with your comment about the display. In a similar vein, I don't understand the excitement about digital dash in a car where its normally replicating analogue clocks. For the most part, all you do is glance at the speed or fuel gauge and that really doesn't need flashy graphics.
Agreed. I like the idea of having the satnav map right in front of you in a car, but 3D animated fuel gauges? Don't think so.. :)
Maybe if you are still reading here, let me tell you my love-story with my BMW. I started as 18 year old with a 48HP-limited F800R. Had it for 5 years. When in 2016 the red-white R1200R hit the market, I fell in love. Last spring I wandered around my dealer to check out the new 2021 bikes and went around the used area. I found my dream bike with my dream specs! I slept over it one night and then exchanged my F800R (which had a problem no one could solve, when you rev it high, over 6000rpm, pull the clutch, the engine stalls. Countless repairs and money lost, I rode it with only half RPM which worked but was no fun) for that bike. I still love it!
I’m totally with you, as much as I love tech in the car or Smart Home etc, on the bike I want it “pure”. Well, my bike is full spec, for 2016, so analogue dash which I totally love, but I configured riding modes and suspension adjustments to my likings. I played with all available settings.
As I ride never in the dark, halogen headlight is not an issue for me, LED would look nicer though. But that’s a thing I don’t see while riding so it’s not an issue.
My sister and brother both have a F900R as their first bikes as 18/20 year olds, I think it’s too much bike for a beginner, they have full spec, I told them not to take the quickshifter but well… I think the F800r was so simple and analogue, that has been a much better beginner bike, not this high-tech F900… I still love and enjoy my bike whenever I can!
Yes, I read (and try to reply to) all comments, even on older videos. Thank you. Sounds as if you have had a pretty bad experience :(
@@RocketMan_Moto thanks for reading and the reply! That made me really happy in this moment.
Well the only bad experience was the last year with the F800R. Since the problem did not get solved and I paid a lot of money for different repairs. I’m glad the the dealer bought it in in exchange for the R1200R without negotiating too much about the price.
The R1200R is a big upgrade, I bet you really noticed the difference :)
Thanks for doing this video, interesting. Can’t wait for your impressions of the Trident!
Thanks, Pete. Hopefully the Trident will be here next week :)
Nice to see your back! Excited for more, and what bike is next! 💙
See my latest video, posted today :)
Sorry you didn't get on with the bike, I'm sure your poor dealer experience didn't help, some times you just don't gel with a bike and like any relationship once it sours any issues are magnified. I have a 1250 GS and having owned it for 30 months am still delighted with it, however nothing has gone wrong, and the dealer, Wollaston BMW of Northampton have always provided excellent service. Wish you the best for your future rides, whatever they are on.
Thanks, John. I was unlucky with my dealer experience, I guess. I agree the GS is a fabulous machine. I rode one a year ago and loved it, but it's too expensive for me :)
I upgraded from a '16 Honda 500x, just not enough oomph on the open road. After lots of looking ended up with a Tiger Sport 1050, a bit high & heavy when stopped. But no euro 5 crap, engine is a peach and finish great. Enough technology for everyday use and proven reliability. Love having a real tacho.
I agree re. 500X power. Pity really as otherwise it was a good bike. If I were still in the market for an adventure bike, the Tiger would definitely be on my shortlist, but I quite fancy a naked this time :)
Welcome back Rocket Man ! I am really delighted to see (and hear as you know) your insightful videos and feelings about the bikes. Wish you all the best for 2021 ! I was wondering about trying a speedtriple (A2 compliant as I got the license 1 year ago only) as there is so much positive consensus about the brand and the products and although your positive comment about the brand may have seemed British-oriented as I could be with a French one (ohhh there is no French brand for motorbikes actually) I trust your experience and I am looking forward to your next testing of the new model. I must admit I am more oriented towards a trail-like motorbike like a tracer 700 (the one I own and appreciate) or a CB 500X I began with and quickly changed for the Tracer but I am wondering about a cafe racer style like the speedtriple that seems to rise so much enthusiasm and satisfaction. Keep safe and enjoy the ride ! What’s your new bike by the way ?
Merci, Michel. I used to have a Street Triple, but sold it because it was just too mental (I'm getting old). Il y a toujours Mash, non? Une belle petite 125 ;)
Thank you for sharing. I had a similar (worse) issue with a dealer. And had a similar car M3 2002, wish i never sold. The quality was top !
Nowadays the bikes are made to marvel our eyes and then disappoint...haha
Still looking forward for the Stelvio video ;)
Have a great weekend.
No Stelvio demo bikes here🙁
Greetings from Hull.! I was very interested in your comments and impressions of the F900XR as I was contemplating this as my next bike .
An acquaintance of mine just happens to work for BMW Motorrad and has ridden this model at the launch in Spain.
Despite being a salesman for BMW he was lukewarm about the XR.....and was particularly underwhelmed with the engine performance . When I expressed my interest in it he started to discuss other BMW models !....
Thoroughly enjoy your reviews etc and also follow Stuart Fillingham.....who is also a blunt Yorkshireman !👍
Ah, Mr Fillingham. He always sounds hacked off to me, lol :) I was drawn in by the F900XR's good looks, but the ownership experience just didn't live up to the hype. Any I agree the engine is bland. Ride safe :)
BMW has recognized the neutral shift issue. Also Bluetooth issue can be fixed by software update. They fixing my problem for free. FYI.
That's interesting. And so they should, really, given the price of the bike. I hope they get yours fixed properly and that you can continue to enjoy it now the weather is improving :)
@@RocketMan_Moto BMW distributor replaced the gear box and the head totally with a brand new one for free. Now I dont have any issue on neutral. They accepted that it is a manufacturing issue.
I bought the new 2010 VFR 1200 in 2011, thinking I’d absolutely love it. Mind you I had owned the previous gen VFR 800 for 7yrs, so naturally I thought I was gonna love it…boy was I wrong. The new 1200 engine had a totally new V angle & an some weird offset phase crank journal. It was very different & no where as smooth as previous generations 90deg V4. In addition it had a tiny gas tank for a 1200cc bike. I think I was doing about 130ish miles when the gas light came on. It was HEAVY, the plastic was an epic pain to take off…I was done with it. I bought it in May 2011….sold it in Oct of 2011. In all my yrs of riding it was the one bike I couldn’t wait to get rid off. Like you I felt dupt by Honda. What a horrible experience. I currently own a 2014 FJR1300ES that in 20ish yrs of riding is my favorite bike
I was completely taken in by the BMW brand image and the F900's good looks. Lesson learned!
Enjoy your videos. Smooth, thoughtful and deliberate delivery of commentary makes for very easy viewing. Don't understand the comment about not using the cornering ABS. Didn't think it was something that could be turned off. Nice to have working in the background.
Thanks, David. What I meant re. the ABS was that, as I ride gently enough not to need it, I could really have done without it. But I agree it's nice knowing I have it just in case...
I really appreciate your unbiased views on these machines and the fact that you don't give in neither to euphoria nor toxicity on the strengths and weaknesses.
After almost two wears with a Suzuki Address 110 (very similar to Honda's Vision) I took the full A license and went for a used CB500X, I'm really happy with it but even me, a proper beginner, sometimes I feel the lack of power - for me that's the Achilles' heel, I believe you said somewhere a CB650X would've hit just the spot and I must say I agree.
The fact that I'm a born and raised Lisbon guy made me appreciate your footage a bit more.
Cheers and welcome to Portugal
Obrigado, Sebastiao. The CB500X is a great first big bike :)
I'm a Tuono fan, but given this rider a 1 year old Yamaha MT900 used (for like $8K) plus after market suspension upgrade ($2K) would have resulted in the most satisfying ride money could buy.
I am curious ; when you went in to try the bike weather you also took any of the Nine T family out for a turn ? I had two BMWs in the 1970's and 80's and just loved their classical simplicity .. I am wondering if the R9T Pure might have had enough personality to hold onto it for a decade or two .. :) .. I have a left over 2017 Street Scrambler that I got in 2018 for a song and just love the thing ...
I've heard it's a lovely machine, but too expensive for me, I'm afraid :)
@@RocketMan_Moto Sorry you didn't get to test ride that bike .. You may have had better luck . I am sure you will love the Trident at any rate .. For the fun of it give the new V7 Guzzi a try as well if you get the chance .. .Yours Guy
same problem with service in croatia. my bike (f700gs) was in service from monday to friday for regular service (oil change, filters etc). they also had excuse they are understaffed and police bought whole fleet of r1200rt so they cant get it done same day regardless of the fact that i had an appointment 3 weeks in advance. forecast was rain for next 2 days so i said just get it done by wednesday. i give them a call in friday and they tell me they sent me mail and gave me few calls that the bike was ready to be picked up in wednesday but i didnt answer the calls or mails. no mail from them in spam or any inbox, no missed calls. also they carried out some stuff extra and charged me for that. they didnt care that i didnt agree to any of that to be carried out and just wanted to get paid. sent mail to management they were like sorry we hope this wont happen in future.
Oh dear, it sounds as if you had a similarly unacceptable experience. Given the price they sell their bikes at, I think it's totally unacceptable.
It was like this for 4 years. Only once service was done same day, i had to wait for 4 and half hours. Cant make appointment for weeks because no one answers phone in garage, lady that worked on info phone had to give me private cell phone number of mechanic to make appointment. Disaster. At least i had no problems with bike, i have currently ducati, 3 years old, bought as demo bike. Had to go to service at least 18 times in last 2 years, mostly minor crap with 3 major problems. Going back to bmw because its lottery when some stupid thing will require me to go to service, such as bleeding rear brake. Id rather deal once a year with “special folks” than multiple random visits during year for stupid stuff and then additional visit for actual service.
Thank you for helping beat down my urge to spend an unreasonable amount of money on this bike
Glad you found it useful😊
Always a good thing to hear the story of someone disappointed. Price isn't always related to the joy or quality you get from the money you pay for a product.
Exactly. Lesson learned :)
I had a 2020 F900XR, I had similar issues that you described. Finding neutral was very difficult. The only way I could get into neutral was from down shifting. I could never find neutral from going up from 1 into neutral. After 3400 miles , I noticed spots on my garage floor. Upon further inspection the entire undercarriage had a blue residue from the coolant. The dealer was gracious to pick up the BMW, last time I checked it was 5 weeks and the service department was still waiting for parts. The water pump needed to be replaced. In all the motorcycles I have ever owned I never once had to replace a water pump. The F900xr was a big disappointment. I found out that the engines are made in China.
Oh dear… I certainly don’t regret selling mine
Interesting insight. Have to say much prefer analogue and diles over digital. I think tech sells these days. Yamaha Thundercat is a great example of a brilliant bike that is just simple and easy to enjoy. No electrics to go wrong, just pure riding.
Thanks for your input👍😊
I enjoyed your considered thoughts clearly presented. Thanks!
Thanks, Eliot :)
Thanks for the video. I will insert this information, where applicable, into the equation of my next bike, was planning to get F900R. We'll see how it pans out. More Triumph Trident information will be appreciated :)
Thanks. Hopefully the Trident will be here next week :)
A friend sent me your link on the 1st review of the F900XR as a reason to buy it and I only by chance at the end noticed this link where you tell us you got rid of the bike after 6 months, which made me laugh, I am looking at the low version of this or the Triumph Tiger GT low, to accommodate my 29" 63 year old legs. I also live down here on the Algarve. you cited poor customer service by BMW up in Lisbon as one of the reasons you were not happy with the bike, Portugal has so many good things going for it, but when you live here you realize that customer service is not one of them, which is strange as the Portuguese are so helpful in themselves.
Still like you reviews keep them going.
Lol, thanks for that, Andy. I agree with you on Portuguese customer service; it's as if they really can't be bothered. A real 'take it, or leave it' attitude to business. Maybe I'm soured after my experience, but I would definitely go for a Tiger over the F900XR, especially as daniel.henrique@triumphportugal.pt is very helpful AND good with his customers. I also think it's a better bike, the engine on the BMW is really not very exciting :)
@@RocketMan_Moto I am going to give it a test run on Monday though its the normal size one not the low, I know Daniel as he sold me my car when he worked for Nissan and have been to see him in his new shop, just sold a Versys 650 as it was i bit too tall, me and the wife rolled off it about a month ago and decided to cut my losses after 8 months of tip toeing every time I stopped, I got it new from the Kawasaki shop here in Portimao, I did not think it would sell as quick as it did, so am in the market for one at the moment, but no rush as mRebel
I sold my Honda CB500X for the the same reasons as you mentioned and bought a Triumph 800 XCA. I feel now that I am much better equipped for long travels in Western Europe. 47 HP was needed too often and that took a toll on my nerves. The Triumph is not easily out of breath.
Yes, the CB500X is a great bike, very easy to live with, but as you say, 47hp just isn't enough on fast roads.
Dynamic Pro mode does not have more power, it just has the option for you to adjust ABS, traction, wheelie control, and all such options as you prefer for your ride. It won't make 200hp out of a 105hp bike lol. I personally don't like keyless ignition, I'm so glad mine came with mechanical key. Of course the worst thing is being treated poorly at the dealership, so sorry you had to deal with that. The guys at my dealership are hearts of gold, so I'm very lucky in that respect. There is no excuse for getting bad service at your local dealer, to me that can leave a bad aftertaste about the whole experience, and I think that is what ultimately made you sell your bike.
Thanks for your feedback. The poor dealer was a contributory factor, but I found the bike very dull to ride (nice to look at, though) and just not worth the money I'd paid. Ride safe :)
Your 330 of 2006 is a benchmark for a premium product that guarantees
desirability and owner pride from the first moment you touch it.
I agree, György! Ride safe :)
It's true about neutral transmission on bmw: to find it is kind of miracle)) I choose bmw becouse of really great support and service ,even in Russia)), so, you can execute your dealer, if you wish, you just need to discribe your situation in BMW head office;). Thank you very much for share your opinion, it was intetesting and useful!
Thanks for your input. I agree the dealer is so important :)
To not be able to put it in neutral I’d ridiculous, isn’t that very basic on any other bike or car. Never had that issue in the shittiest of bikes I’ve owned.
Glad you' re back mate!!!
Nice review as always! Cheers!!
Thanks, Newbie :)
Sorry you didn't gel with the bike and had to move it on...not a great experience for you...thanks for posting an honest owner report though. What do you fancy next then?...do I sense another Triumph? . Regards. Alan.
Thanks, Alan. I could well be tempted by the new Trident. It all depends how the test ride goes, hopefully next week :)
Nicely presented and great - objective - content. Anyone with one will find it hard, as we all defend our choices (I don't have one btw).
Honest detail of the marque that corresponds to my own experiences, and interesting that the car influenced you. I've ridden mostly BMW since '76 and owned/driven three cars since 78. The cars - '76 3.0si, '87 535i and '07 320 Tourer were all exceptional, although the quality changed noticeably over the years. Really solid engineering and functional comfort through to technology and plush comfort later. The bikes started with my '74 R90S boxer and a '79 R100RT. The 90S - a /6 series was the epitome of the BMW boxer marque for me. Undoubtedly the earlier bikes were of exceptional quality and engineering exemplifying the 'Rolls-Royce' status they commanded then, and the /5s delivered a modern machine compared to the more 'traditional' appearance. The /6 series began to differ - stuck on tank badges rather than the enamelled and screwed /5 badges. Part way through the /6 plastic indicators replaced the gorgeous aluminium housings. The /7 series saw further changes and so things progressed. Refined engineering, modernising, but poorer quality. Owners will argue, but when the engines reached the end of the airhead development and the next generation oilheads appeared, the bikes were technically superior, I believe - and experienced - far less reliable or easy to repair; bedecked with plastic everywhere, including plastic covered tanks which when revealed looked like a dustbin.
My point - sorry, lockdown means waffling much more and time to do so - is that BMW now live on their reputation rather than uphold it, both on 4 wheels as much as 2. The cars are still great but there are many strong competitors now (on balance, my current VW is as good as the last BMW). Performance is no better than other marques. Cost of ownership is much higher and repairs can be an arm and a leg. Service has dropped over the years and your experience is not surprising. I stopped using my car main dealer regularly some years ago and went to a BMW specialist workshop - that was first rate and they cared far more (and cheaper).
What was interesting was your comments on finish of the Triumphs and Hondas. The Japanese learned the lesson years ago and Honda finish is generally exceptional and been better than BMW for a long time. Triumph eventually learned likewise. The BMW bikes are no better, and in many areas worse than competitors. My 1150RT was rubbish. Thin chassis paint, engine lacquer like that turned into dry leaves flaking off the engine (the old airheads were rough cast, unlacquered and gorgeous, lasting even to this day) and lots of problems.
I gave up my last BMW in 2018 and bought a Honda (looked at Triumphs and still would love a new twin - finish and ride are great) and I was stunned at the superior quality and service I received. Given Honda are regarded as one of the best, I nevertheless recently traded for a Kawasaki Z900RS and was even more blown away by the standard of finish and detail on that. As a machine I can imagine keeping this for many years.
Brand loyalty, I did consider an F900XR instead, but drew some of your conclusions even before buying one - I'm glad I didn't. The latest machines are simply, imho, overpriced.
I look forward to your Triumph reports.Thanks.
Thank you very much for this authentic and very respectful feedback 🤗💚
Thank you for your feedback, much appreciated :)
I had the same experience with a BMW car that I pined for for years. My other car was 1/2 the price and did everything as well as the BMW and spent less time at the dealer. I decided that it just wasn't worth keeping and sold it. It wasn't a bad car, but I just couldn't justify the extra cost for a mediocre experience. Enjoyed hearing your experience.
Thanks for your feedback
I sat on the 1,000 cc version of this bike (1000XR?). But couldn’t touch the shift or brake levers with my feet. The levers just didn’t extend out far enough. So I bought a VStrom1000ADV and couldn’t be happier
I had the same problem on the S1000XR. Glad you're happy with your VStrom :)
@@RocketMan_Moto I love it! It is fast enough, but it is light and has quick handling, for a bike with a 19” front wheel
I mainly rode super sport bikes in the past. My last bike was an MT-07 until 2017. I was looking to buy S1000XR, then decided to buy this bike since S1000XR could be too powerful after 5 years. I have never ridden a bike so comfortable and advanced like this. Maybe there are better bikes out there, but I'm really enjoying it. I agree with the quick shifter, it's twitchy in low gears, but perfect in high gears as expected.
Glad you’re enjoying it😊
The two best days that you had with this bike are the day you got it and the day you sold it.
That just about sums it up :)