Caleb Stevenson I agree. An oxymoron is a two-word paradox. You are correct in saying that @crybaby has an incorrect statement due to his statement being four words and not two
I believe in this People are pointing out the technicalities but I think putting this stuff out (regardless of how tiny it is) is great Great labbing bro
touma oh boo hoo he has the “worst recovery in the entire game” durrrr that’s his point of balance and why he has such an overwhelmingly strong ground game.
There's no such thing like "bottom 5" in Ultimate. After 20 years, we finally have a balanced and continuously changing Smash for which making a tier list is impossible. Everyone is here, and everyone is OP.
@@CanYouDontirl no character is unplayable in competitive. He has the worst recovery in the game and his air game is the same , but he can win stuff , its like trying to destroy an entire city punch by punch but. Technically he can win , its just painful.
It’s just a wave bounce on side-b It’s one of the easier forms of wave bouncing, and in this instance, it’s very practical. I would dare say, this tech is essential to using little Mac. One of his better bread and butter moves is his haymaker, and this tech makes the already high priority move even higher!
Poop Is Amazing actually it’s fun to meme with Mac in my opinion cause it’s possible to chain d tilt to fair to haymaker if opponent doesn’t react fast enough with the down tilt
What do you call it then; a wave bounce? It looks a lot like a b-reverse to me since you are quickly changing the direction before the move fully comes out; it is just with side b instead of neutral b or whatever direction you consider a b-reverse. If it isn't, sorry for being slightly misleading.
Yeah, I know. I was confused on why X3n0 said it wasn't a b reverse and wanted his input. Thanks for your input though. My kind of wavebounce though was in smash 4 because there were 2 ways to b reverse. If you jumped backwards and immediately did a neutral b and the normal way. Doing both would result in momentum in the way you started facing since you b reverse twice. That was my kind of wavebounce.
What stood out to me the most was downthrow to wavemaker and killing at 80 on the ledge. How consistent is this? Is it gauranteed? I might get a grab at the ledge and get an upb if they aren't DIing correctly but still that doesn't even kill until higher percents. Might be a legit option for people holding shield at the ledge against Mac (who doesn't do this?)
No its not guaranteed- consistent? Maybe. Haymaker is frame 8. Keep in mind the aerial part of upb comes out at frame 7. You'd probably have to do some prior conditioning or use against a character with poor air options like ganon or something. While upb is more consistent, youre right- its a poor kill option.
JUST THOUGHT ABOUT IT !!... For stagemaker, we could simply hold down during the duration of the punch and then stop holding it after the punch to still grab the ledge. Works very consistently and easily. Sole difference being you have your active frames closer to the ledge than with a wavemaker but I hope it would still catch the 2-frames.
So... A few months later, where would you put this technique ? Personnally (even though I still don't have 100% perfect execution with it) I struggle to find situations where it would be guaranteed after up-tilt. And I'd rather jump + side b to hit people on plateforms, it seems to cover more of the plateform this way. (though I must admit those are the two only applications of wavemaker I use)
Still just as useful. Granted a lot of applications showcased in the vid are very niche - and are only included because its guaranteed to save a few frames. I still use it all the time for microspacing recovery, utilt combos, and offstage attacks.
@@PHYTO18432 Another question, and sorry if I'm rather asking than looking myself... Is side-b after a ledge trump something actually confirmed? (timing/frame wise)
@@DarkThomy it can be. But as long as trump quickly it will be true When you grab ledge there is a 19 (+1/+2)** frame window before you get trumped or can use a getup option. Upon being trumped the enemy undergoes a 28 frame animation. Haymaker comes out frame 8. So 19 + 8 = 27. However that assumes the enemy's 19 frame window has ended. As long as your 19 frame window overlaps with the enemy's (ie; a brief moment where both of you are holding onto ledge) - haymaker out of trump will be true; frame-wise. If theyve been holding on for a while- and you grab ledge and they immediately get trumped - then you have a chance to be off by 1 or 2 frames. Which is still easy to land though. ** (+1/+2) refers to additional vulnerable ledge grab frames based on how far from ledge you are upon grabbing. Aka the 2-frame window, but if you grab ledge close enough- can be a 1-frame or no frame
@@PHYTO18432 What a lab monster ! Thanks ! I've been kinda practicing the set ups for trumpmaker, but when I succeed it I'm kinda scared to go for the side b afterward. Ledge trump isn't something I was quite confortable with to begin with..
Now only if some good Dedede tech was discovered. He is one of the last ones to have been fully labbed out and nothing new has been found since like spring of 2019
More advanced tech : little mac has d tilt f tilt 20-40 medium characters, but not with all of them and dtilt to side b, with which you can use this to do
For the most part it is a wavebounce by definition of the inputs used. There are b-reversals shown but that is just a technicality based on the direction youre facing. If not for the already existing terminology of wavebounce- it would be referred to as differently, but at least wavemaker sounds cool
A b reverse side b is simple. Jump facing to the right and side b left. This is different, side b the opposite direction you are facing then b reverse that
@@deangel9128 that's just backwards b-reverse, a wavebounce is generally only useful in the air, and it allows you to travel in the opposite direction you were originally flying while still facing your initial direction.
You’re a Little Mac main and you want to change your lifestyle? I got the new the technique for you! Use A down and right after use side B but you need to press the B button really fast when you’re doing your side B. It’s guaranteed! (Note: This technique can have secondary effects like a self estimation higher than before, the desire to fly and the desire to spike)
I didn't bother testing lylat because training mode doesnt have hazards off- and so the stage will tilt. The slope angles are pretty shallow though. The steeper the better. I theorize some slightly better platform pressure options though. Yoshi's melee is very insignificant- the angle is very shallow but it can help to make jumping over larger projectiles like full charge shot or max hero fireball easier. And maybe slightly increase followup windows. Siege isnt legal for most tournaments so i also didnt bother- though that steep slope angle is very nice for followups. Other stages that are rarely legal with slopes include wuhu, skyloft, rainbow cruise, halberd.
Uh.. Dude the reason why "wavemaker" is more active at ledge is because it traveled less distance. You're trading 5 more frames for the huge risk of doing it wrong and missing ledge, then dying for it. Because it's Mac. And if you miss the stage spike or they just tech, you're automatically at a disadvantage state because you're Little Mac at ledge. Wouldn't it just be better to Down Smash..??
Downsmash cannot cover all 2 frame animations rangewise- and on top of that it is exactly 2 active frames making the window tight. Yes- explaining it makes no difference to its application. The reason "wavemaker" can hit closer opponents is for the same reason: travelled less distance. Wavebouncing isnt hard to execute - but if you are not confident in your own button execution and find it too risky then just dont go for it. If they tech- then you'll grab ledge anyway. That application is to show people who go for the stage spike haymaker that they can increase their chances to hit their opponent.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that this is just B Reversing Haymaker. And bro that's not a wave dash either. I mained Mac for 2 years in smash 4 and 2 months in ultimate and I'm not trying to say that I'm better than you because I've played longer but trust me when I say that this isn't as new as you think. In my opinion, you should re-do the video and call it something like "B-Reverse Haymaker Applications" or something like that. Huge respect to you for staying with the character because I just couldn't deal with maining a bottom tier. All love
Wavebounce is a b-turnaround + b-reverse - i suggest searching it up. Has nothing to do with wave dash. Some uses shown in the video are indeed only b-reverse without b-turnaround but for all intents and purposes are referred to as "wavemaker"- as was the general consensus in the discord channel. Yes this has been in since smash 4- it being new or not has nothing to do with its value in knowledge and application- which is the purpose of this video
For wavebouncing mostly Side Special, I personally don't think C stick macro is worth it. It sounds difficult to do only on control stick, but for a visual you're turning > B into < B >. If you ever B reversed a neutral special, you can probably visualize it that way, just with holding < as the brief precedent to B >. Of course I can't speak for others, control schemes are personal and tge C stick method may be just easier for some.
Attention People Don’t think this is some crazy new tech. This is literally just b reversing macs side b. During the offstage active frame showcase. The first example was literally just inputting side b opposite to his direction. The second example was just a b reverse. You go out, then in the first 3 frames input your stick into the stage. This isn’t a wavebounce, it’s a b reverse, You can’t even wave bounce with macs side b because it’s not a stationary move. Because the move changes the characters position, wavebouncing is impossible. Wavebouncing is just b reversing but without carrying your momentum, because macs side b moves him anyway, that move can’t even wavebounce to begin with. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Yea but by definition of input- it is a wavebounce. Some examples are indeed only b reversals but wavebounce is a 'b turnaround' and 'b reversal' together- and thus like how every square is a rectangle- every wavebounce is a b reversal; making the wavebounce nomenclature inclusive to all associated tech.
Bill Clinton he really doesn’t. There is a reason why this video exists. It’s not the character that sucks, you probably just suck with him. Literally just don’t let yourself end up in the air, you realize he has the craziest frame data ever on land and his dodging is great, there is literally no reason to let yourself lose like that. He has shit aerials, yea. Shit recovery? Better than Roy’s in my opinion. Literally everything else is fine. It’s not denial, it’s just logic.
Extreme - I legit have him in Elite smash. You're brushing off the fact that he's the worst character in the air and has a horrible recovery as if it doesn't matter. Sure Roy's recovery sucks too but he has a good combo game to make up for it. Most of a match is fought with ariels or in the air in some sort of way and the fact that he sucks in the air puts him at a major disadvantage compared to the rest of the cast. It's stupid to say "Don't let yourself get hit in the air". You'll end in the air a some point, it's like saying "don't get hit". The fact that he has good grounded frame data doesn't mean anything if the opponent is constantly trying to camp you out and get you off stage. Little Mac is bad.
Yea little mac attracts the smash spam noobs. The more technical mechanics will get quickly dismissed and only further fuel mac's meta into stagnation. This tech has been in since smash 4- and its evident that no one cared about until i got bored and decided to make a shitty video on it; and judging by the comments most still dont care even after watching it.
@@PHYTO18432 ... No. This video's purpose is fine. I'm caught up on the fact that it shows a technique that already exists, renames it, and claims it as their own, entirely fresh out the oven technique. Bro... Why?
Rename? It's just a short for wavebounce haymaker. Someone on discord coined it and I liked it too. Not once do I claim it to be my own either 🤔 All applications are stuff I came up with. Is this really offending you?
@@PHYTO18432 "Look at this really cool tech I found with Sheik, it's called THE WAVEFISH" *Shows a normal down-B reverse* "BE SURE TO LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE FOR MORE"
Wavefish, I think it's a pretty cool name. The input is specifically the same as a wavebounce, hence the name. So not just a b-reversal. So once again- it's just a wavebounced haymaker. Everything is presented objectively. Don't claim to be my own tech - but I labbed everything out myself as with all my other videos. Sorry if someone on discord coined the name and I happened to like it. I am not the end-all-be-all of Mac tech vids. Oh no some guy made a shitty video with a name I don't like 👶
ah yes, my favorite oxymoron: little mac advanced tech
Its relative: anything more than fsmash is advanced for us
That’s a paradox sir :/
Caleb Stevenson I agree. An oxymoron is a two-word paradox. You are correct in saying that @crybaby has an incorrect statement due to his statement being four words and not two
Far to advance for you cupcake.
Kevin Sanson advanced*
I believe in this
People are pointing out the technicalities but I think putting this stuff out (regardless of how tiny it is) is great
Great labbing bro
He still have problems
@@touma5340 no shit
touma oh boo hoo he has the “worst recovery in the entire game” durrrr that’s his point of balance and why he has such an overwhelmingly strong ground game.
It’s really cool how people are sill making tech for bot 5 characters
Its inevitable; they are the only ones left to lab out.
There's no such thing like "bottom 5" in Ultimate. After 20 years, we finally have a balanced and continuously changing Smash for which making a tier list is impossible.
Everyone is here, and everyone is OP.
@@CanYouDontirl doesnt mean hes super bad or unplayable
@@CanYouDontirl no character is unplayable in competitive. He has the worst recovery in the game and his air game is the same , but he can win stuff , its like trying to destroy an entire city punch by punch but. Technically he can win , its just painful.
@@CanYouDontirl Hey at least that's just a possibility of mac winning a major or not, nothing's really impossible if you think about it.
Category: *Music*
Oh lol.. i guess it defaulted to that
I edited it and now its gaming
No It Says Gaming
@@lemmyxpro i changed it
LMFAOOOO
@@PHYTO18432 Oh Lmao
Reverse Sol, Sol, Metariff6, BlasterZ, Tarakotori, Gain, and ALL the Little Mac Mains, *_are you wATCHING?!!_*
William Owens HECK YEAH
Don’t forget loS
CCuppy oh yeah, he is also reverse sol, los lol I forgot he changed to los
And the Japanese little macs as well, like Tarakotori and Gain.
MikoL Boi yes, them too
It’s just a wave bounce on side-b
It’s one of the easier forms of wave bouncing, and in this instance, it’s very practical.
I would dare say, this tech is essential to using little Mac. One of his better bread and butter moves is his haymaker, and this tech makes the already high priority move even higher!
this is interesting. Keep it up 👍
Meta Of Smash AYY ITS META OF SMASH
Meta Of Smash I LOVE YOU
Wavemaker
Shieldbreaker
Gametaker
Tiershaker
He goes by many names..
But we just call him Mac daddy.
Wavemaker
Shieldbreaker
Gametaker
Don't you mess around with me
@@AlexK-jp9nc Haha! I had that song in my head while making that comment.
Nah we call him bottom tier
@@Mrng_wood *little Mac tier.
Your channel is a blessing for us Mac mains
You shouldn't main little mac tbh
@Camden Cox trying to find out what the heck a wavemaker is.
Mac mains are a blessing to my gsp
@@pouks you cant handle the mac.😂😂😂 your in the wrong side of youtube buttercup.
You just spam smash attacks and you win
Little Mac advanced technique here: Put smash attacks on the C stick
Little Mac Expert Tech: Down Smash at Ledge
Poop Is Amazing or up smash
Poop Is Amazing actually it’s fun to meme with Mac in my opinion cause it’s possible to chain d tilt to fair to haymaker if opponent doesn’t react fast enough with the down tilt
This actually makes trying to b reverse a side b worth it.
Adam Speiser
Not a b reverse
What do you call it then; a wave bounce? It looks a lot like a b-reverse to me since you are quickly changing the direction before the move fully comes out; it is just with side b instead of neutral b or whatever direction you consider a b-reverse. If it isn't, sorry for being slightly misleading.
@@adamspeiser6449 it's basically the same thing, by how you use the move it's a wavebounce but it's inputted like an reverse so either way
Yeah, I know. I was confused on why X3n0 said it wasn't a b reverse and wanted his input. Thanks for your input though. My kind of wavebounce though was in smash 4 because there were 2 ways to b reverse. If you jumped backwards and immediately did a neutral b and the normal way. Doing both would result in momentum in the way you started facing since you b reverse twice. That was my kind of wavebounce.
Wavebounce and b reverse are two different things that might look similar on certain moves.
Why does this vid have relatively more views than my other vids?
RUclips algorithm(?
So nice video
@@darkflames9039 lol i think so too
RUclips seems to have randomly put this in my recommended so i assume thats the case for most of the people here
I don’t know but I like it
I know it has limited uses but as the Mac main I really appreciate you showing us
Man Little Mac as a whole has limited uses haha
This tech is dope and anything helps
Bold of you to release this before a new patch comes out
Unscheduled maintenance in 2 hours to remove this tech. Sakurai's blood is boiling right now
lil blumf shh don’t tell Sakurai about things little Mac has, he might remove them
I don't know how useful all of the applications are, but that phantom footstool punish seems like a gamechanger to me
Tbh thats probably the most situational one
Surprisingly, I've been using this tech unconsciously but thanks for the video
Finally he can go from little mac tier to F tier
Wait why am I here I don’t play little mac oh well still gonna watch
People dont realise that little mac ain't bad, hes just a hard character to learn
If you need to work hard for little results the character is bad.
Shaedyn Harrison that is because they never played punched out the game takes some patience and lots of observing the opponent 😁
Can't you just hold downward like a Beefy upb at ledge to get more active frames?
You could but unless your timing is good you risk holding down too long and not grabbing ledge at all.
@@PHYTO18432 Also the coverage is smaller with uppercut anyway.
What stood out to me the most was downthrow to wavemaker and killing at 80 on the ledge. How consistent is this? Is it gauranteed? I might get a grab at the ledge and get an upb if they aren't DIing correctly but still that doesn't even kill until higher percents. Might be a legit option for people holding shield at the ledge against Mac (who doesn't do this?)
No its not guaranteed- consistent? Maybe. Haymaker is frame 8. Keep in mind the aerial part of upb comes out at frame 7. You'd probably have to do some prior conditioning or use against a character with poor air options like ganon or something. While upb is more consistent, youre right- its a poor kill option.
@@PHYTO18432 I see. Thanks!
as a self proclaimed mac god i will work on this until it is natural to me
JUST THOUGHT ABOUT IT !!...
For stagemaker, we could simply hold down during the duration of the punch and then stop holding it after the punch to still grab the ledge.
Works very consistently and easily.
Sole difference being you have your active frames closer to the ledge than with a wavemaker but I hope it would still catch the 2-frames.
Im actually almost done making a vid for a new tech with a similar concept to that.
Will use all of your stuff soon.
they’re evolving
So... A few months later, where would you put this technique ?
Personnally (even though I still don't have 100% perfect execution with it) I struggle to find situations where it would be guaranteed after up-tilt. And I'd rather jump + side b to hit people on plateforms, it seems to cover more of the plateform this way.
(though I must admit those are the two only applications of wavemaker I use)
Still just as useful. Granted a lot of applications showcased in the vid are very niche - and are only included because its guaranteed to save a few frames.
I still use it all the time for microspacing recovery, utilt combos, and offstage attacks.
@@PHYTO18432 I'll have to lab at which percent up-tilt wavemaker is the only way to connect the side b.
@@PHYTO18432 Another question, and sorry if I'm rather asking than looking myself...
Is side-b after a ledge trump something actually confirmed? (timing/frame wise)
@@DarkThomy it can be. But as long as trump quickly it will be true
When you grab ledge there is a 19 (+1/+2)** frame window before you get trumped or can use a getup option.
Upon being trumped the enemy undergoes a 28 frame animation.
Haymaker comes out frame 8.
So 19 + 8 = 27. However that assumes the enemy's 19 frame window has ended.
As long as your 19 frame window overlaps with the enemy's (ie; a brief moment where both of you are holding onto ledge) - haymaker out of trump will be true; frame-wise.
If theyve been holding on for a while- and you grab ledge and they immediately get trumped - then you have a chance to be off by 1 or 2 frames. Which is still easy to land though.
** (+1/+2) refers to additional vulnerable ledge grab frames based on how far from ledge you are upon grabbing. Aka the 2-frame window, but if you grab ledge close enough- can be a 1-frame or no frame
@@PHYTO18432 What a lab monster ! Thanks !
I've been kinda practicing the set ups for trumpmaker, but when I succeed it I'm kinda scared to go for the side b afterward.
Ledge trump isn't something I was quite confortable with to begin with..
Does this make recovery easier if we happen to be facing away from ledge?
Not necessarily. Won't help in terms of distance- it'll only help with microspacing to avoid overextending your hurtbox
Now only if some good Dedede tech was discovered. He is one of the last ones to have been fully labbed out and nothing new has been found since like spring of 2019
This is actually very interesting, I should practice this more.
Did you know that if you did this out of the back roll ledgemaker you don't need the f tilt
Yea i could never do it consistently though. Tbh i'd rather not flub it but theoretically faster and therefore better option
@@PHYTO18432 yeah it's hard to get consistently thanks
That's still interesting to know ! Nice !
*It is possible to learn this power?*
Not from a cloud main..
Bro this gave low tier mac actully one solution to most of his problems, of course still low tier but man it semms good.
@@Mm17297 well he has a lot of problems, so i said most cause it was most of the ones i think, i dont know all of the problems low tier mac has.
Welp little Mac mains have power now.
No one will do this
Lmao
If everyone's super, no one will be
More advanced tech : little mac has d tilt f tilt 20-40 medium characters, but not with all of them and dtilt to side b, with which you can use this to do
ah yes this is very useful for my fucking LITTLE MAC LMAO
Interesting tech. You could really use a capture card though.
Might want to put a q and a section in the description for questions that you have already answered
Good idea
Isnt that just b reverse sideb?
For the most part it is a wavebounce by definition of the inputs used. There are b-reversals shown but that is just a technicality based on the direction youre facing. If not for the already existing terminology of wavebounce- it would be referred to as differently, but at least wavemaker sounds cool
A b reverse side b is simple.
Jump facing to the right and side b left. This is different, side b the opposite direction you are facing then b reverse that
@@deangel9128 that's just backwards b-reverse, a wavebounce is generally only useful in the air, and it allows you to travel in the opposite direction you were originally flying while still facing your initial direction.
@@CEtro569 yeah I know. Im pretty sure that's what I said
@@CEtro569 it's still a wavebounce by definition even if it's not aerial, what's being done here uses the exact same inputs
Holy CRAP YES THANK YOU
Good job 👍 Not a Mac main, but this is pretty interesting.
You’re a Little Mac main and you want to change your lifestyle? I got the new the technique for you! Use A down and right after use side B but you need to press the B button really fast when you’re doing your side B. It’s guaranteed! (Note: This technique can have secondary effects like a self estimation higher than before, the desire to fly and the desire to spike)
B reverse?
How good is slope maker on castle siege, lylat, and even the tiny slope on yoshi melee
I didn't bother testing lylat because training mode doesnt have hazards off- and so the stage will tilt. The slope angles are pretty shallow though. The steeper the better. I theorize some slightly better platform pressure options though.
Yoshi's melee is very insignificant- the angle is very shallow but it can help to make jumping over larger projectiles like full charge shot or max hero fireball easier. And maybe slightly increase followup windows.
Siege isnt legal for most tournaments so i also didnt bother- though that steep slope angle is very nice for followups. Other stages that are rarely legal with slopes include wuhu, skyloft, rainbow cruise, halberd.
So, back-dash, f-dash side B?
Theres no actual "dash" involved but yes that would be the input
Let the little mac mains have this glory. Anything to get them to stop spamming smash attacks. It becomes predictable and boring to punish it.
Wonderful channel username
Is there an UpBgettothestagemaker?
No but I think there's a
"Can'tGetOnStageMaker"
@@gothtearz oh well what about a nevergonnawinatournamentmaker?
Skillet Biscuit - Yeah that's a thing but I think there's also a
"LmaoWhatABadCharacterMaker"
Still lowtier
Bottom tier*
Mac tier
God tier
Tiers are 4 queers
Imagine relying in tiers on 2020
Uh..
Dude the reason why "wavemaker" is more active at ledge is because it traveled less distance. You're trading 5 more frames for the huge risk of doing it wrong and missing ledge, then dying for it. Because it's Mac.
And if you miss the stage spike or they just tech, you're automatically at a disadvantage state because you're Little Mac at ledge.
Wouldn't it just be better to Down Smash..??
Downsmash cannot cover all 2 frame animations rangewise- and on top of that it is exactly 2 active frames making the window tight.
Yes- explaining it makes no difference to its application. The reason "wavemaker" can hit closer opponents is for the same reason: travelled less distance.
Wavebouncing isnt hard to execute - but if you are not confident in your own button execution and find it too risky then just dont go for it. If they tech- then you'll grab ledge anyway. That application is to show people who go for the stage spike haymaker that they can increase their chances to hit their opponent.
Thanks
567 Subscribers and 41k likes, well done 😂
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that this is just B Reversing Haymaker. And bro that's not a wave dash either. I mained Mac for 2 years in smash 4 and 2 months in ultimate and I'm not trying to say that I'm better than you because I've played longer but trust me when I say that this isn't as new as you think. In my opinion, you should re-do the video and call it something like "B-Reverse Haymaker Applications" or something like that. Huge respect to you for staying with the character because I just couldn't deal with maining a bottom tier. All love
Wavebounce is a b-turnaround + b-reverse - i suggest searching it up. Has nothing to do with wave dash. Some uses shown in the video are indeed only b-reverse without b-turnaround but for all intents and purposes are referred to as "wavemaker"- as was the general consensus in the discord channel. Yes this has been in since smash 4- it being new or not has nothing to do with its value in knowledge and application- which is the purpose of this video
More like Windows movie maker
Only useful tip was the quick reverse then side b.
yes very cool but what if pikachu back airs
Fist bump fake-out into handshake. GGs
This video should be in the comedy category
But Gaming is already a joke
@@PHYTO18432 Ouch that hurt
This is useful for the 2 lil Mac mains
395* mains
205* secondary
(Information taken by the amount of people online in the mac national [without taking to account the offline people])
Idk bro its 2020 that number might be lower
He said c stick macro time
For wavebouncing mostly Side Special, I personally don't think C stick macro is worth it.
It sounds difficult to do only on control stick, but for a visual you're turning > B into < B >. If you ever B reversed a neutral special, you can probably visualize it that way, just with holding < as the brief precedent to B >.
Of course I can't speak for others, control schemes are personal and tge C stick method may be just easier for some.
Attention People
Don’t think this is some crazy new tech. This is literally just b reversing macs side b.
During the offstage active frame showcase. The first example was literally just inputting side b opposite to his direction.
The second example was just a b reverse. You go out, then in the first 3 frames input your stick into the stage. This isn’t a wavebounce, it’s a b reverse,
You can’t even wave bounce with macs side b because it’s not a stationary move. Because the move changes the characters position, wavebouncing is impossible. Wavebouncing is just b reversing but without carrying your momentum, because macs side b moves him anyway, that move can’t even wavebounce to begin with.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Yea but by definition of input- it is a wavebounce. Some examples are indeed only b reversals but wavebounce is a 'b turnaround' and 'b reversal' together- and thus like how every square is a rectangle- every wavebounce is a b reversal; making the wavebounce nomenclature inclusive to all associated tech.
This looks annoying to deal with. I don't wanna play a mac who abuses this...
Good, my secondary is evolving
It's Mac. He needs everything he can get.
Mac is annoying in general, so nothing new
easy wave bounces if you use the c stick btw!!!!
I use special on shoulder button too- really ergonomic and easy
Mac combos
Top tier
Thanks man, my secondary is gonna be on fukin fire in tournaments lol
Little Mac s u c k s
Bill Clinton if you let yourself get grabbed or launched offstage like an idiot then yes
Extreme - Even the creator of this video says Little Mac sucks. You're in denial.
Bill Clinton he really doesn’t. There is a reason why this video exists. It’s not the character that sucks, you probably just suck with him. Literally just don’t let yourself end up in the air, you realize he has the craziest frame data ever on land and his dodging is great, there is literally no reason to let yourself lose like that. He has shit aerials, yea. Shit recovery? Better than Roy’s in my opinion. Literally everything else is fine. It’s not denial, it’s just logic.
Extreme - I legit have him in Elite smash. You're brushing off the fact that he's the worst character in the air and has a horrible recovery as if it doesn't matter. Sure Roy's recovery sucks too but he has a good combo game to make up for it. Most of a match is fought with ariels or in the air in some sort of way and the fact that he sucks in the air puts him at a major disadvantage compared to the rest of the cast. It's stupid to say "Don't let yourself get hit in the air". You'll end in the air a some point, it's like saying "don't get hit". The fact that he has good grounded frame data doesn't mean anything if the opponent is constantly trying to camp you out and get you off stage.
Little Mac is bad.
Yeah but what if I throw you offstage lmao
Use the advanced tech called Home Button
This is just wave bouncing
I see you can read
Trumpmaker
Can you PLEASE DO COMMENTARY
Yea i'm kinda lazy tho but i get it- i guess i could do it for future stuff
@@PHYTO18432 thank you😁
*Visible confusion*
found another advance tech, down smashing at the ledge
Has to be fully charged
Its all good untill you fall of stage
Plz, no one is gonna use this. They will continue to just fling their c- stick, it's all they know how to do.
Yea little mac attracts the smash spam noobs. The more technical mechanics will get quickly dismissed and only further fuel mac's meta into stagnation. This tech has been in since smash 4- and its evident that no one cared about until i got bored and decided to make a shitty video on it; and judging by the comments most still dont care even after watching it.
Little mac is the worst character don’t bother doing this.
>little mac
>advanced tech
yeah, right
That's great and all but little Mac is still bad lol
The best and expert lil mac tech is to accepr he is the worst character and drop him for another character
That just... A side b reverse though... You do that with any character...
...yes. this video shows the merits and application. Are you caught up on the naming of it? Lol
@@PHYTO18432 ... No. This video's purpose is fine. I'm caught up on the fact that it shows a technique that already exists, renames it, and claims it as their own, entirely fresh out the oven technique. Bro... Why?
Rename? It's just a short for wavebounce haymaker. Someone on discord coined it and I liked it too. Not once do I claim it to be my own either 🤔 All applications are stuff I came up with. Is this really offending you?
@@PHYTO18432 "Look at this really cool tech I found with Sheik, it's called THE WAVEFISH" *Shows a normal down-B reverse* "BE SURE TO LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE FOR MORE"
Wavefish, I think it's a pretty cool name. The input is specifically the same as a wavebounce, hence the name. So not just a b-reversal. So once again- it's just a wavebounced haymaker. Everything is presented objectively. Don't claim to be my own tech - but I labbed everything out myself as with all my other videos. Sorry if someone on discord coined the name and I happened to like it. I am not the end-all-be-all of Mac tech vids. Oh no some guy made a shitty video with a name I don't like 👶
thanks