Wavemaker - Little Mac Advanced Tech - SSBU

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  • Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024

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  • @roka8630
    @roka8630 4 года назад +802

    ah yes, my favorite oxymoron: little mac advanced tech

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  4 года назад +179

      Its relative: anything more than fsmash is advanced for us

    • @calebstevenson3391
      @calebstevenson3391 4 года назад +11

      That’s a paradox sir :/

    • @jgordan775
      @jgordan775 4 года назад +6

      Caleb Stevenson I agree. An oxymoron is a two-word paradox. You are correct in saying that @crybaby has an incorrect statement due to his statement being four words and not two

    • @Sansonius3rDaSlayer
      @Sansonius3rDaSlayer 4 года назад

      Far to advance for you cupcake.

    • @calebstevenson3391
      @calebstevenson3391 4 года назад +1

      Kevin Sanson advanced*

  • @NonJohns
    @NonJohns 4 года назад +152

    I believe in this
    People are pointing out the technicalities but I think putting this stuff out (regardless of how tiny it is) is great
    Great labbing bro

    • @touma5340
      @touma5340 4 года назад

      He still have problems

    • @iyaguex
      @iyaguex 4 года назад +2

      @@touma5340 no shit

    • @Extreme11
      @Extreme11 4 года назад

      touma oh boo hoo he has the “worst recovery in the entire game” durrrr that’s his point of balance and why he has such an overwhelmingly strong ground game.

  • @GamingWithBallsOut
    @GamingWithBallsOut 4 года назад +211

    It’s really cool how people are sill making tech for bot 5 characters

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  4 года назад +39

      Its inevitable; they are the only ones left to lab out.

    • @dorukayhanwastaken
      @dorukayhanwastaken 4 года назад +16

      There's no such thing like "bottom 5" in Ultimate. After 20 years, we finally have a balanced and continuously changing Smash for which making a tier list is impossible.
      Everyone is here, and everyone is OP.

    • @paulomiguel7301
      @paulomiguel7301 4 года назад +3

      @@CanYouDontirl doesnt mean hes super bad or unplayable

    • @paulomiguel7301
      @paulomiguel7301 4 года назад +14

      @@CanYouDontirl no character is unplayable in competitive. He has the worst recovery in the game and his air game is the same , but he can win stuff , its like trying to destroy an entire city punch by punch but. Technically he can win , its just painful.

    • @psypokeslowduck2880
      @psypokeslowduck2880 4 года назад

      @@CanYouDontirl Hey at least that's just a possibility of mac winning a major or not, nothing's really impossible if you think about it.

  • @mannx2_495
    @mannx2_495 4 года назад +334

    Category: *Music*

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  4 года назад +34

      Oh lol.. i guess it defaulted to that
      I edited it and now its gaming

    • @lemmyxpro
      @lemmyxpro 4 года назад +4

      No It Says Gaming

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  4 года назад +13

      @@lemmyxpro i changed it

    • @Gabilou37
      @Gabilou37 4 года назад +5

      LMFAOOOO

    • @lemmyxpro
      @lemmyxpro 4 года назад +2

      @@PHYTO18432 Oh Lmao

  • @mannx2_495
    @mannx2_495 4 года назад +93

    Reverse Sol, Sol, Metariff6, BlasterZ, Tarakotori, Gain, and ALL the Little Mac Mains, *_are you wATCHING?!!_*

    • @Pootis-hn3ky
      @Pootis-hn3ky 4 года назад +2

      William Owens HECK YEAH

    • @CCuppy29
      @CCuppy29 4 года назад +2

      Don’t forget loS

    • @mannx2_495
      @mannx2_495 4 года назад +2

      CCuppy oh yeah, he is also reverse sol, los lol I forgot he changed to los

    • @ML-yo8kt
      @ML-yo8kt 4 года назад +1

      And the Japanese little macs as well, like Tarakotori and Gain.

    • @mannx2_495
      @mannx2_495 4 года назад +1

      MikoL Boi yes, them too

  • @Aflay1
    @Aflay1 4 года назад +15

    It’s just a wave bounce on side-b
    It’s one of the easier forms of wave bouncing, and in this instance, it’s very practical.
    I would dare say, this tech is essential to using little Mac. One of his better bread and butter moves is his haymaker, and this tech makes the already high priority move even higher!

  • @MetaTrixx
    @MetaTrixx 4 года назад +52

    this is interesting. Keep it up 👍

  • @Jkg71
    @Jkg71 4 года назад +50

    Wavemaker
    Shieldbreaker
    Gametaker
    Tiershaker
    He goes by many names..
    But we just call him Mac daddy.

    • @AlexK-jp9nc
      @AlexK-jp9nc 4 года назад +1

      Wavemaker
      Shieldbreaker
      Gametaker
      Don't you mess around with me

    • @Jkg71
      @Jkg71 4 года назад +2

      @@AlexK-jp9nc Haha! I had that song in my head while making that comment.

    • @Mrng_wood
      @Mrng_wood 4 года назад

      Nah we call him bottom tier

    • @Jkg71
      @Jkg71 4 года назад

      @@Mrng_wood *little Mac tier.

  • @PrezDispenser
    @PrezDispenser 4 года назад +73

    Your channel is a blessing for us Mac mains

    • @pouks
      @pouks 4 года назад +5

      You shouldn't main little mac tbh

    • @deangel9128
      @deangel9128 4 года назад +14

      @Camden Cox trying to find out what the heck a wavemaker is.

    • @nucleartree8159
      @nucleartree8159 4 года назад +8

      Mac mains are a blessing to my gsp

    • @Sansonius3rDaSlayer
      @Sansonius3rDaSlayer 4 года назад

      @@pouks you cant handle the mac.😂😂😂 your in the wrong side of youtube buttercup.

    • @kwalker7478
      @kwalker7478 4 года назад

      You just spam smash attacks and you win

  • @zemotte2terre433
    @zemotte2terre433 4 года назад +69

    Little Mac advanced technique here: Put smash attacks on the C stick

    • @Yarida929
      @Yarida929 4 года назад +14

      Little Mac Expert Tech: Down Smash at Ledge

    • @leitakcoc
      @leitakcoc 4 года назад

      Poop Is Amazing or up smash

    • @itsmikeyishman1586
      @itsmikeyishman1586 4 года назад

      Poop Is Amazing actually it’s fun to meme with Mac in my opinion cause it’s possible to chain d tilt to fair to haymaker if opponent doesn’t react fast enough with the down tilt

  • @adamspeiser6449
    @adamspeiser6449 4 года назад +19

    This actually makes trying to b reverse a side b worth it.

    • @x3n068
      @x3n068 4 года назад

      Adam Speiser
      Not a b reverse

    • @adamspeiser6449
      @adamspeiser6449 4 года назад

      What do you call it then; a wave bounce? It looks a lot like a b-reverse to me since you are quickly changing the direction before the move fully comes out; it is just with side b instead of neutral b or whatever direction you consider a b-reverse. If it isn't, sorry for being slightly misleading.

    • @atlas7736
      @atlas7736 4 года назад

      @@adamspeiser6449 it's basically the same thing, by how you use the move it's a wavebounce but it's inputted like an reverse so either way

    • @adamspeiser6449
      @adamspeiser6449 4 года назад

      Yeah, I know. I was confused on why X3n0 said it wasn't a b reverse and wanted his input. Thanks for your input though. My kind of wavebounce though was in smash 4 because there were 2 ways to b reverse. If you jumped backwards and immediately did a neutral b and the normal way. Doing both would result in momentum in the way you started facing since you b reverse twice. That was my kind of wavebounce.

    • @x3n068
      @x3n068 4 года назад

      Wavebounce and b reverse are two different things that might look similar on certain moves.

  • @PHYTO18432
    @PHYTO18432  4 года назад +52

    Why does this vid have relatively more views than my other vids?

    • @darkflames9039
      @darkflames9039 4 года назад +21

      RUclips algorithm(?

    • @darkflames9039
      @darkflames9039 4 года назад +3

      So nice video

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  4 года назад +2

      @@darkflames9039 lol i think so too

    • @hamzachaudhry9058
      @hamzachaudhry9058 4 года назад +17

      RUclips seems to have randomly put this in my recommended so i assume thats the case for most of the people here

    • @andrew3535
      @andrew3535 4 года назад +1

      I don’t know but I like it

  • @Sansonius3rDaSlayer
    @Sansonius3rDaSlayer 4 года назад +5

    I know it has limited uses but as the Mac main I really appreciate you showing us

    • @thisistherun4015
      @thisistherun4015 4 года назад

      Man Little Mac as a whole has limited uses haha
      This tech is dope and anything helps

  • @lilblumf
    @lilblumf 4 года назад +5

    Bold of you to release this before a new patch comes out

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  4 года назад +7

      Unscheduled maintenance in 2 hours to remove this tech. Sakurai's blood is boiling right now

    • @mouseonthestreets8675
      @mouseonthestreets8675 4 года назад +1

      lil blumf shh don’t tell Sakurai about things little Mac has, he might remove them

  • @FerousFolly
    @FerousFolly 4 года назад +1

    I don't know how useful all of the applications are, but that phantom footstool punish seems like a gamechanger to me

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  4 года назад

      Tbh thats probably the most situational one

  • @theninjustice138
    @theninjustice138 4 года назад +2

    Surprisingly, I've been using this tech unconsciously but thanks for the video

  • @mccoughy6391
    @mccoughy6391 4 года назад +3

    Finally he can go from little mac tier to F tier

  • @mrtrainingdummy9725
    @mrtrainingdummy9725 4 года назад +8

    Wait why am I here I don’t play little mac oh well still gonna watch

  • @isdaawsum
    @isdaawsum 4 года назад +2

    People dont realise that little mac ain't bad, hes just a hard character to learn

    • @gothtearz
      @gothtearz 4 года назад +1

      If you need to work hard for little results the character is bad.

    • @Rockleerocky
      @Rockleerocky 4 года назад +1

      Shaedyn Harrison that is because they never played punched out the game takes some patience and lots of observing the opponent 😁

  • @Lt31337Luca
    @Lt31337Luca 4 года назад +10

    Can't you just hold downward like a Beefy upb at ledge to get more active frames?

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  4 года назад +8

      You could but unless your timing is good you risk holding down too long and not grabbing ledge at all.

    • @merP.-YT
      @merP.-YT 4 года назад

      @@PHYTO18432 Also the coverage is smaller with uppercut anyway.

  • @TruthLoveCourage777
    @TruthLoveCourage777 4 года назад +1

    What stood out to me the most was downthrow to wavemaker and killing at 80 on the ledge. How consistent is this? Is it gauranteed? I might get a grab at the ledge and get an upb if they aren't DIing correctly but still that doesn't even kill until higher percents. Might be a legit option for people holding shield at the ledge against Mac (who doesn't do this?)

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  4 года назад +1

      No its not guaranteed- consistent? Maybe. Haymaker is frame 8. Keep in mind the aerial part of upb comes out at frame 7. You'd probably have to do some prior conditioning or use against a character with poor air options like ganon or something. While upb is more consistent, youre right- its a poor kill option.

    • @TruthLoveCourage777
      @TruthLoveCourage777 4 года назад +1

      @@PHYTO18432 I see. Thanks!

  • @JD-pb6bk
    @JD-pb6bk 4 года назад +1

    as a self proclaimed mac god i will work on this until it is natural to me

  • @DarkThomy
    @DarkThomy 4 года назад

    JUST THOUGHT ABOUT IT !!...
    For stagemaker, we could simply hold down during the duration of the punch and then stop holding it after the punch to still grab the ledge.
    Works very consistently and easily.
    Sole difference being you have your active frames closer to the ledge than with a wavemaker but I hope it would still catch the 2-frames.

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  4 года назад +1

      Im actually almost done making a vid for a new tech with a similar concept to that.

  • @BlasterZ
    @BlasterZ 4 года назад +1

    Will use all of your stuff soon.

  • @romiio1
    @romiio1 4 года назад +1

    they’re evolving

  • @DarkThomy
    @DarkThomy 4 года назад

    So... A few months later, where would you put this technique ?
    Personnally (even though I still don't have 100% perfect execution with it) I struggle to find situations where it would be guaranteed after up-tilt. And I'd rather jump + side b to hit people on plateforms, it seems to cover more of the plateform this way.
    (though I must admit those are the two only applications of wavemaker I use)

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  4 года назад +2

      Still just as useful. Granted a lot of applications showcased in the vid are very niche - and are only included because its guaranteed to save a few frames.
      I still use it all the time for microspacing recovery, utilt combos, and offstage attacks.

    • @DarkThomy
      @DarkThomy 4 года назад +1

      @@PHYTO18432 I'll have to lab at which percent up-tilt wavemaker is the only way to connect the side b.

    • @DarkThomy
      @DarkThomy 4 года назад

      @@PHYTO18432 Another question, and sorry if I'm rather asking than looking myself...
      Is side-b after a ledge trump something actually confirmed? (timing/frame wise)

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  4 года назад +1

      @@DarkThomy it can be. But as long as trump quickly it will be true
      When you grab ledge there is a 19 (+1/+2)** frame window before you get trumped or can use a getup option.
      Upon being trumped the enemy undergoes a 28 frame animation.
      Haymaker comes out frame 8.
      So 19 + 8 = 27. However that assumes the enemy's 19 frame window has ended.
      As long as your 19 frame window overlaps with the enemy's (ie; a brief moment where both of you are holding onto ledge) - haymaker out of trump will be true; frame-wise.
      If theyve been holding on for a while- and you grab ledge and they immediately get trumped - then you have a chance to be off by 1 or 2 frames. Which is still easy to land though.
      ** (+1/+2) refers to additional vulnerable ledge grab frames based on how far from ledge you are upon grabbing. Aka the 2-frame window, but if you grab ledge close enough- can be a 1-frame or no frame

    • @DarkThomy
      @DarkThomy 4 года назад +1

      @@PHYTO18432 What a lab monster ! Thanks !
      I've been kinda practicing the set ups for trumpmaker, but when I succeed it I'm kinda scared to go for the side b afterward.
      Ledge trump isn't something I was quite confortable with to begin with..

  • @tjknight
    @tjknight 4 года назад

    Does this make recovery easier if we happen to be facing away from ledge?

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  4 года назад +1

      Not necessarily. Won't help in terms of distance- it'll only help with microspacing to avoid overextending your hurtbox

  • @albinofroggy
    @albinofroggy 4 года назад +1

    Now only if some good Dedede tech was discovered. He is one of the last ones to have been fully labbed out and nothing new has been found since like spring of 2019

  • @ryusoulger9127
    @ryusoulger9127 4 года назад

    This is actually very interesting, I should practice this more.

  • @Loonalol
    @Loonalol 4 года назад +2

    Did you know that if you did this out of the back roll ledgemaker you don't need the f tilt

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  4 года назад

      Yea i could never do it consistently though. Tbh i'd rather not flub it but theoretically faster and therefore better option

    • @Loonalol
      @Loonalol 4 года назад

      @@PHYTO18432 yeah it's hard to get consistently thanks

    • @DarkThomy
      @DarkThomy 4 года назад

      That's still interesting to know ! Nice !

  • @fosterthecat6625
    @fosterthecat6625 4 года назад +7

    *It is possible to learn this power?*

    • @sotrh7974
      @sotrh7974 4 года назад +1

      Not from a cloud main..

  • @omniscientcammaleon9477
    @omniscientcammaleon9477 4 года назад +2

    Bro this gave low tier mac actully one solution to most of his problems, of course still low tier but man it semms good.

    • @omniscientcammaleon9477
      @omniscientcammaleon9477 4 года назад

      @@Mm17297 well he has a lot of problems, so i said most cause it was most of the ones i think, i dont know all of the problems low tier mac has.

  • @icysand3962
    @icysand3962 4 года назад +2

    Welp little Mac mains have power now.

  • @ditto-w
    @ditto-w 4 года назад +1

    If everyone's super, no one will be

  • @mada2774
    @mada2774 4 года назад

    More advanced tech : little mac has d tilt f tilt 20-40 medium characters, but not with all of them and dtilt to side b, with which you can use this to do

  • @TapuCocoa
    @TapuCocoa 4 года назад

    ah yes this is very useful for my fucking LITTLE MAC LMAO

  • @sotrh7974
    @sotrh7974 4 года назад +4

    Interesting tech. You could really use a capture card though.

  • @framenothing6561
    @framenothing6561 4 года назад +1

    Might want to put a q and a section in the description for questions that you have already answered

  • @harryvpn1462
    @harryvpn1462 4 года назад +37

    Isnt that just b reverse sideb?

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  4 года назад +28

      For the most part it is a wavebounce by definition of the inputs used. There are b-reversals shown but that is just a technicality based on the direction youre facing. If not for the already existing terminology of wavebounce- it would be referred to as differently, but at least wavemaker sounds cool

    • @deangel9128
      @deangel9128 4 года назад +3

      A b reverse side b is simple.
      Jump facing to the right and side b left. This is different, side b the opposite direction you are facing then b reverse that

    • @CEtro569
      @CEtro569 4 года назад

      @@deangel9128 that's just backwards b-reverse, a wavebounce is generally only useful in the air, and it allows you to travel in the opposite direction you were originally flying while still facing your initial direction.

    • @deangel9128
      @deangel9128 4 года назад +1

      @@CEtro569 yeah I know. Im pretty sure that's what I said

    • @Atr0
      @Atr0 4 года назад +3

      @@CEtro569 it's still a wavebounce by definition even if it's not aerial, what's being done here uses the exact same inputs

  • @FroggyTwod
    @FroggyTwod 4 года назад

    Holy CRAP YES THANK YOU

  • @lukasostien4248
    @lukasostien4248 4 года назад +1

    Good job 👍 Not a Mac main, but this is pretty interesting.

  • @nathanst-pierre8065
    @nathanst-pierre8065 4 года назад

    You’re a Little Mac main and you want to change your lifestyle? I got the new the technique for you! Use A down and right after use side B but you need to press the B button really fast when you’re doing your side B. It’s guaranteed! (Note: This technique can have secondary effects like a self estimation higher than before, the desire to fly and the desire to spike)

  • @claytoncarter3261
    @claytoncarter3261 4 года назад +1

    B reverse?

  • @andrew3535
    @andrew3535 4 года назад

    How good is slope maker on castle siege, lylat, and even the tiny slope on yoshi melee

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  4 года назад

      I didn't bother testing lylat because training mode doesnt have hazards off- and so the stage will tilt. The slope angles are pretty shallow though. The steeper the better. I theorize some slightly better platform pressure options though.
      Yoshi's melee is very insignificant- the angle is very shallow but it can help to make jumping over larger projectiles like full charge shot or max hero fireball easier. And maybe slightly increase followup windows.
      Siege isnt legal for most tournaments so i also didnt bother- though that steep slope angle is very nice for followups. Other stages that are rarely legal with slopes include wuhu, skyloft, rainbow cruise, halberd.

  • @jorgeperezsoto3853
    @jorgeperezsoto3853 4 года назад

    So, back-dash, f-dash side B?

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  4 года назад

      Theres no actual "dash" involved but yes that would be the input

  • @iiiDeuueaughiii
    @iiiDeuueaughiii 4 года назад

    Let the little mac mains have this glory. Anything to get them to stop spamming smash attacks. It becomes predictable and boring to punish it.

  • @Drew_64
    @Drew_64 4 года назад

    Wonderful channel username

  • @jiddkorr4870
    @jiddkorr4870 4 года назад

    Is there an UpBgettothestagemaker?

    • @gothtearz
      @gothtearz 4 года назад

      No but I think there's a
      "Can'tGetOnStageMaker"

    • @jiddkorr4870
      @jiddkorr4870 4 года назад

      @@gothtearz oh well what about a nevergonnawinatournamentmaker?

    • @gothtearz
      @gothtearz 4 года назад +1

      Skillet Biscuit - Yeah that's a thing but I think there's also a
      "LmaoWhatABadCharacterMaker"

  • @touma5340
    @touma5340 4 года назад +26

    Still lowtier

  • @styxxiii
    @styxxiii 4 года назад

    Uh..
    Dude the reason why "wavemaker" is more active at ledge is because it traveled less distance. You're trading 5 more frames for the huge risk of doing it wrong and missing ledge, then dying for it. Because it's Mac.
    And if you miss the stage spike or they just tech, you're automatically at a disadvantage state because you're Little Mac at ledge.
    Wouldn't it just be better to Down Smash..??

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  4 года назад +6

      Downsmash cannot cover all 2 frame animations rangewise- and on top of that it is exactly 2 active frames making the window tight.
      Yes- explaining it makes no difference to its application. The reason "wavemaker" can hit closer opponents is for the same reason: travelled less distance.
      Wavebouncing isnt hard to execute - but if you are not confident in your own button execution and find it too risky then just dont go for it. If they tech- then you'll grab ledge anyway. That application is to show people who go for the stage spike haymaker that they can increase their chances to hit their opponent.

  • @kalaricopollo1778
    @kalaricopollo1778 4 года назад

    Thanks

  • @WhinterFio
    @WhinterFio 4 года назад +1

    567 Subscribers and 41k likes, well done 😂

  • @funkwater8759
    @funkwater8759 4 года назад +4

    Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that this is just B Reversing Haymaker. And bro that's not a wave dash either. I mained Mac for 2 years in smash 4 and 2 months in ultimate and I'm not trying to say that I'm better than you because I've played longer but trust me when I say that this isn't as new as you think. In my opinion, you should re-do the video and call it something like "B-Reverse Haymaker Applications" or something like that. Huge respect to you for staying with the character because I just couldn't deal with maining a bottom tier. All love

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  4 года назад +13

      Wavebounce is a b-turnaround + b-reverse - i suggest searching it up. Has nothing to do with wave dash. Some uses shown in the video are indeed only b-reverse without b-turnaround but for all intents and purposes are referred to as "wavemaker"- as was the general consensus in the discord channel. Yes this has been in since smash 4- it being new or not has nothing to do with its value in knowledge and application- which is the purpose of this video

  • @matthewlong7547
    @matthewlong7547 4 года назад +3

    More like Windows movie maker

  • @VegitoBlackityBlack
    @VegitoBlackityBlack 4 года назад

    Only useful tip was the quick reverse then side b.

  • @colonelchester
    @colonelchester 4 года назад

    yes very cool but what if pikachu back airs

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  4 года назад +3

      Fist bump fake-out into handshake. GGs

  • @Kodamair
    @Kodamair 4 года назад

    This video should be in the comedy category

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  4 года назад +2

      But Gaming is already a joke

    • @penzfgc8009
      @penzfgc8009 4 года назад

      @@PHYTO18432 Ouch that hurt

  • @peep9636
    @peep9636 4 года назад

    This is useful for the 2 lil Mac mains

    • @0Sloppenheimer
      @0Sloppenheimer 4 года назад

      395* mains
      205* secondary
      (Information taken by the amount of people online in the mac national [without taking to account the offline people])

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  4 года назад +1

      Idk bro its 2020 that number might be lower

  • @Integral_RoA
    @Integral_RoA 4 года назад +1

    He said c stick macro time

    • @thisistherun4015
      @thisistherun4015 4 года назад

      For wavebouncing mostly Side Special, I personally don't think C stick macro is worth it.
      It sounds difficult to do only on control stick, but for a visual you're turning > B into < B >. If you ever B reversed a neutral special, you can probably visualize it that way, just with holding < as the brief precedent to B >.
      Of course I can't speak for others, control schemes are personal and tge C stick method may be just easier for some.

  • @racconcracc8558
    @racconcracc8558 4 года назад

    Attention People
    Don’t think this is some crazy new tech. This is literally just b reversing macs side b.
    During the offstage active frame showcase. The first example was literally just inputting side b opposite to his direction.
    The second example was just a b reverse. You go out, then in the first 3 frames input your stick into the stage. This isn’t a wavebounce, it’s a b reverse,
    You can’t even wave bounce with macs side b because it’s not a stationary move. Because the move changes the characters position, wavebouncing is impossible. Wavebouncing is just b reversing but without carrying your momentum, because macs side b moves him anyway, that move can’t even wavebounce to begin with.
    Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  4 года назад +2

      Yea but by definition of input- it is a wavebounce. Some examples are indeed only b reversals but wavebounce is a 'b turnaround' and 'b reversal' together- and thus like how every square is a rectangle- every wavebounce is a b reversal; making the wavebounce nomenclature inclusive to all associated tech.

  • @mysticpersona9915
    @mysticpersona9915 4 года назад +1

    This looks annoying to deal with. I don't wanna play a mac who abuses this...

    • @Extreme11
      @Extreme11 4 года назад

      Good, my secondary is evolving

    • @ZeroEffort
      @ZeroEffort 4 года назад +1

      It's Mac. He needs everything he can get.

    • @arcana4938
      @arcana4938 4 года назад

      Mac is annoying in general, so nothing new

  • @FlatHeadScrewDriver-d6g
    @FlatHeadScrewDriver-d6g 4 года назад

    easy wave bounces if you use the c stick btw!!!!

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  4 года назад

      I use special on shoulder button too- really ergonomic and easy

  • @shadows-xn3ed
    @shadows-xn3ed 4 года назад

    Mac combos

  • @manongraymond5481
    @manongraymond5481 4 года назад

    Top tier

  • @Extreme11
    @Extreme11 4 года назад

    Thanks man, my secondary is gonna be on fukin fire in tournaments lol

    • @gothtearz
      @gothtearz 4 года назад

      Little Mac s u c k s

    • @Extreme11
      @Extreme11 4 года назад

      Bill Clinton if you let yourself get grabbed or launched offstage like an idiot then yes

    • @gothtearz
      @gothtearz 4 года назад

      Extreme - Even the creator of this video says Little Mac sucks. You're in denial.

    • @Extreme11
      @Extreme11 4 года назад

      Bill Clinton he really doesn’t. There is a reason why this video exists. It’s not the character that sucks, you probably just suck with him. Literally just don’t let yourself end up in the air, you realize he has the craziest frame data ever on land and his dodging is great, there is literally no reason to let yourself lose like that. He has shit aerials, yea. Shit recovery? Better than Roy’s in my opinion. Literally everything else is fine. It’s not denial, it’s just logic.

    • @gothtearz
      @gothtearz 4 года назад

      Extreme - I legit have him in Elite smash. You're brushing off the fact that he's the worst character in the air and has a horrible recovery as if it doesn't matter. Sure Roy's recovery sucks too but he has a good combo game to make up for it. Most of a match is fought with ariels or in the air in some sort of way and the fact that he sucks in the air puts him at a major disadvantage compared to the rest of the cast. It's stupid to say "Don't let yourself get hit in the air". You'll end in the air a some point, it's like saying "don't get hit". The fact that he has good grounded frame data doesn't mean anything if the opponent is constantly trying to camp you out and get you off stage.
      Little Mac is bad.

  • @Freakybananayo
    @Freakybananayo 4 года назад

    Yeah but what if I throw you offstage lmao

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  4 года назад +6

      Use the advanced tech called Home Button

  • @thegoat-sg5hg
    @thegoat-sg5hg 4 года назад

    This is just wave bouncing

  • @swagdrakefan8791
    @swagdrakefan8791 4 года назад

    Trumpmaker

  • @michaelyegiazar9296
    @michaelyegiazar9296 4 года назад

    Can you PLEASE DO COMMENTARY

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  4 года назад

      Yea i'm kinda lazy tho but i get it- i guess i could do it for future stuff

    • @michaelyegiazar9296
      @michaelyegiazar9296 4 года назад

      @@PHYTO18432 thank you😁

  • @nathanst-pierre8065
    @nathanst-pierre8065 4 года назад

    *Visible confusion*

  • @AntonioM8
    @AntonioM8 4 года назад

    found another advance tech, down smashing at the ledge

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  4 года назад +2

      Has to be fully charged

  • @welpimaheadout6357
    @welpimaheadout6357 4 года назад

    Its all good untill you fall of stage

  • @BrokenG-String
    @BrokenG-String 4 года назад

    Plz, no one is gonna use this. They will continue to just fling their c- stick, it's all they know how to do.

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  4 года назад

      Yea little mac attracts the smash spam noobs. The more technical mechanics will get quickly dismissed and only further fuel mac's meta into stagnation. This tech has been in since smash 4- and its evident that no one cared about until i got bored and decided to make a shitty video on it; and judging by the comments most still dont care even after watching it.

  • @hosay9019
    @hosay9019 4 года назад +1

    Little mac is the worst character don’t bother doing this.

  • @flatziswashed
    @flatziswashed 4 года назад

    >little mac
    >advanced tech
    yeah, right

  • @montysep
    @montysep 4 года назад +1

    That's great and all but little Mac is still bad lol

  • @stephenschuster3555
    @stephenschuster3555 4 года назад

    The best and expert lil mac tech is to accepr he is the worst character and drop him for another character

  • @nicholask.8356
    @nicholask.8356 3 года назад

    That just... A side b reverse though... You do that with any character...

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  3 года назад

      ...yes. this video shows the merits and application. Are you caught up on the naming of it? Lol

    • @nicholask.8356
      @nicholask.8356 3 года назад

      @@PHYTO18432 ... No. This video's purpose is fine. I'm caught up on the fact that it shows a technique that already exists, renames it, and claims it as their own, entirely fresh out the oven technique. Bro... Why?

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  3 года назад

      Rename? It's just a short for wavebounce haymaker. Someone on discord coined it and I liked it too. Not once do I claim it to be my own either 🤔 All applications are stuff I came up with. Is this really offending you?

    • @nicholask.8356
      @nicholask.8356 3 года назад

      @@PHYTO18432 "Look at this really cool tech I found with Sheik, it's called THE WAVEFISH" *Shows a normal down-B reverse* "BE SURE TO LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE FOR MORE"

    • @PHYTO18432
      @PHYTO18432  3 года назад

      Wavefish, I think it's a pretty cool name. The input is specifically the same as a wavebounce, hence the name. So not just a b-reversal. So once again- it's just a wavebounced haymaker. Everything is presented objectively. Don't claim to be my own tech - but I labbed everything out myself as with all my other videos. Sorry if someone on discord coined the name and I happened to like it. I am not the end-all-be-all of Mac tech vids. Oh no some guy made a shitty video with a name I don't like 👶

  • @jakemilnes3747
    @jakemilnes3747 4 года назад

    thanks