Homosexuality: The New Testament Passages - part 2 of 4
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- Pt. 2: What the NEW Testament teaches about HOMOSEXUALITY.
This 4 part series will address:
Understanding, very clearly, what the Bible teaches about homosexuality.
Understanding the new pro-gay theology which has recently become the fuel of the modern "gay reformers" movement.
Understanding how the pro-gay movement is wrong about the Bible and being able to help others understand it.
Having a thorough secular case against homosexuality (for those conversations with non-Christians).
Answering the pro-gay slogans like "love is love" "two people should be able to do what they want in their own bedroom" "as long as it's two consenting adults" "equal marriage rights" "your bigotry is why so many gays commit suicide" etc.
Looking at the legal case against same-sex marriage.
Dealing with the anger of pro-gay friends and family.
How to truly love gay friends and family in a Christ-like way.
Teacher: Mike Winger
Occasion: From the Sunday evening service at Hosanna Christian Fellowship in Bellflower CA
The thing about the arguement of "following our nature" is, when has Christianity EVER taught us to follow our nature? Our nature is sin. We are never encouraged to follow our nature, but to die to our nature and follow Christ.
Amen.
yeah Usually I use that term when it comes to male and female coming together, God made it human nature for a man and women to become 1 with each other Mark 10:6 but Yes I understand what your saying.
Amen.
Amen. Yes!!
@@ItsAndy__ So nature is okay in some situations.. Got it.
I love the way you talk about this subject. You avoid being disrespectful or crass and speak with sincerity. It's a refreshing change.
If you actually look, most people are like that. Just because someone doesnt constantly disclaim what they say doesn't mean they're bad.
How do you respond when a non-binary person claims he/she don't want to associate with a gender because their spirit 'has no gender'?
I've struggled a lot with this. I've been viciously attacked by the autistic community (I'm an autistic advocate) over this. I began to wonder if I was wrong and clinging to misunderstandings - mostly because I sincerely love so many people who identify themselves proudly as LGBTQ+. I've noticed the narrative morph over time. I appreciate you going into this because I am not a scholar in this area by any stretch of the imagination and I was wondering if there was error. I've gone through a lot of popular culture brainwashing, I feel like. I find it frustrating that everyone has an answer for everything in that its like an excuse for why someone might give testimony about turning from this and to God (like, well they must just be bi then). Yet I'm hearing how sexuality is fluid and it changes - the first way to sell it was that it was unchangeable and God was cruel for punishing people for something they couldn't control. Now we see by data and by the movement itself, few people are still holding the idea that its unchangeable, but that they love who they love so that's just how they're gonna be and feel. I know it's hard for people. I don't feel strongly about sexual things, probably less than the average person, so I can't relate to what it is to make my whole identity about that. I don't get why it's so hard but I know that for many it genuinely is. Regardless, following this video, I can see I've been lied to repeatedly by people, whether intentionally or not. And I really, really don't like being lied to. I was feeling really hurt because I never meant to hurt anyone and they kept trampling on me - but they're lost in a world of lies and are demanding I go along with it. I don't hate them. They make false equivalence between autism, a neurodevelopmental disorder, and sexuality, and tell me I'm a hypocrite for not encouraging people to be who they want sexually. But it's a lie. And it's not easy, and I don't expect people who don't follow Christ to want to follow the Word. But that doesn't mean I'm a bad person for taking the Word seriously, and God isn't being mean or cruel. In fact, I've seen many times the dark, twisted cruelty and confusion that seeps into every area that is all about being pro LGBTQ+. I hurt for my loved ones. I hurt for my community. But I am thankful to hear the Word of God shared truthfully and in honest love. It gives me peace when confusion is thrown my way.
Even their attack against you is all lies at the root. Do they attack the Muslim who follows his laws? How about the celibate monks? No, they only attack the truth.
By the way I’m just like you. That’s why I was excited when this popped up. I’m very careful about who I listen to and unless I’m in the Holy Spirit, like I can feel he’s here with me without a doubt, I often don’t listen to other people because on my walk with Christ I’ve fallen into so many invisible pot holes of mistruth. But Jesus pulls me out every time. I also don’t struggle with sexual sin as much as other people and don’t know any people in this lgbt community so this was always an issue I wondered about. I never really had a full answer I guess when someone asked me. I always just say God loves everyone and to come as they are. But in my thought life, is it ok to read wholesome gay fiction or watch wholesome gay movies? I didn’t know. I read my Bible but the first part of this showed me I’ve been doing it wrong. I forgot to go slow and really use my brain when I’m stumped on an issue. And since there’s just so few mentions I thought, well maybe it’s a mystery. God said, read your Bible. I said, ok...but aren’t we on three times in a row now? Lol.
Hold strong Sister!
Thanks so much for sharing, Stephanie. As a Christian on the autism spectrum, I know exactly what you're talking about. Kudos to pointing out the false equivalency between autism and sexuality, which is similar to the false equivalency between race and sexuality that's pretty prevalent. Here's my understanding of it: I have no control over my ethnicity, my race, or my "disability". Race and autism are 100% nature, whereas sexuality is a messy, muddled combination of nature and nurture. When it comes to sexuality, your experiences, upbringing, and personal values clash with nebulous feelings and inclinations that can change pretty much on a whim. The autistic and LGBT communities do have commonalities, mainly with respect to how often they've been marginalized, alienated, or mistreated, but that's honestly where the similarities end.
@@gavinandersson3625 fellow autistic Christian and I agree man, literally one of the first things my mum (who's atheist) asked me when I talked to her after my conversion (not about it just about stuff) was if I was a homophobe, and theres alot of judgement thrown out there.
I havent had a conversation on it with people yet but I am kinda dreading that and I'm also not happy about the weird amalgamation and political pressure of the alphabet squad using unrelated things to push their ideals (I have autism and those are linked for whatever reason, they use an idiotic treatment for gender dysphoria created by a maniacal child abuser who was probably a nonce who also caused two lads to kill themselves, they use people with genetic disorders, they use fat people) it's stupid, they dont belong together. But that's not going to change unless someone changes it so let's be that salt. Good luck mate
“It’s not just the red letters that come from Jesus.” I love that.
It's like in the Game of Thrones they never use homosexual but "fancy men" and everyone gets it, nobody says "well, they must mean well dressed men". Why is it when Paul uses vernacular to describe it, suddenly it must be dissected into fine pieces until it fits their pro homosexual agenda.
Tamara Magdalene.. I would hope that you Tamara..or any TRUE Christians..would never watch such an explicitly sexual show. We are to be Holy as He Is Holy.
@@jimcastiglione3258 not true.. Jesus ate with sinners and was in this world but not of this world
@@jimcastiglione3258 your making the mistake of being overly moralistic and then thinking it makes you closer to god and better in gods eyes, your relying on works for gods blessing if that's what you believe.
In the story of the prodigal son was the jealous brother rewarded for never doing anything wrong, was job rewarded for never doing anything wrong?
@@darklydevine2983 all I know is this: Scripture tells us 'to be holy..as He IS Holy'..Jesus Himself said 'If you LOOK UPON a woman and lust after her..you have already committed adultery with her in your heart'. 1st 2nd & 3rd John..in the Epistles makes it clear..that those who DELIBERATELY continue in their sins..will NOT enter the Kingdom of Heaven. I do not care if you see me as a holy roller. I do care and try..each day to keep from sin. I AM human..and I am not perfect..but the more time I spend in the word..and alone with God in worship and prayer...the easier it gets to stay on track and follow after Him. I WANT TO be able to make it to Heaven. I want YOU TO make it there too.
@@jimcastiglione3258 I dont really care about making it to heaven anymore, if I get to know my creator and he seems me unworthy I will accept his justice, I know I am not a righteous man, and the more I try righteousness the more I feel corrupted, my mission is just to know my god now.
I hope you get to the shammayim, it feels like this world is not long for its making
For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear. 2 Timothy 4:3
INDEED!!
I have made it to video 2 and I watched all the way through. I am going to make some points about some of the teaching but this preaching is done in love and with lots of thought and research behind it. Well done.
Unbiased well researched biblical truth.
However, being informed is not enough.
Share this resource with your Christian truth seeking friends.
Facts.
I guess that sexual immorality is the reason why Rome collapsed. Seems like a lesson for us.
Rome’s largest contribution to its collapse is their more weak leaders birthed into conformity of Pax Romana as they were engulfed with riches and beauties as a result they start meddling with themselves as the now dull world would excite them to go a step further. Down until there is no pleasure only death. Oligabulus is one example of a self proclaimed empress who had sex anywhere with anyone to the point that Pratorean Guards murdered him due to the lifestyle he carried.
Rome had some standards...
@@hopelessent.1700 sounds like a similar decline that might happen to us
EmperorShadow yes that’s because we are approaching to this decline. The separation of cultures and lack of cultural assimilation will be the fall. It’s not that we force people to be Americans it’s that they should recognize that once here learn to live by the standards of law and customs here. It’s not an issue if one wants to preserve ancestral cultures but to intrude it on politics within the country is not worth it and only spells out doom.
I’m reading many comments on here that indicate the people didn’t watch the first part. The Bible is clear on this issue. They simply refuse to listen.
Love that Pastor Mike talks about Vegas in his closing Prayer. In the place that actually bills itself as sin city is where I fell in love with Jesus and was saved. We now attend Pastor Billy Crone's church. There are so many who love the Lord in Vegas. And at the same time so many needing to turn to the Lord here as well. Thank you so much for this series. It's so helpful.
"What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas," is a well known saying originating from a 2003 campaign aimed at revitalizing the city's image of "adult freedom."
Hey Mike, I know this is old so you probably won’t see this but I just want to thank you SO much for this teaching! Recently I had 3 friends come out as gay-people who believe in Jesus, repentance, hell and loving other people. It’s somewhat thrown me into a tailspin trying to understand what is right. And if it’s possible that I’m the one that’s wrong. You’ve brought so much clarity, thank you!
Thank you for taking about the difficult issues! I have close friends and family who insist the Bible approves of all LGBT issues. I'm grateful to have biblical resources to turn to as I have not studied the original text. Praying for you Mike!
with so many people saying that sin isnt sin this is great to have some afirmation on the little details on how there's no mistaking it, homosexuality is condemned in the bible. Like, up until now ive always had that tiny question, "what if it is actually mistranslated?" well now I know for sure it wasnt, because homosexual is the translation that makes the most sense compared to any other translation.
Thank you for your teaching on this subject. Very helpful...especially for someone in the United Methodist denomination that is facing a split on the subject. One thing made me smile...you said "there is no such thing as a male wife." A lot has changed in 6 years.
Another excellent teaching. Thank you so much.
Apparently 14 of the first 15 emperors in the Roman Empire were homosexual. I would therefore understand that Paul's letter to the Roman Christians picked up on this and condemned it along with other excessive and cruel behaviour practised at the time and which Paul mentioned in the rest of the chapter.
I tell Christians all the time that we should know the history of when it was written. Like turn the other cheek....did you know there was a Roman law at the time that in order for a man to be charged with assault there must be marks on both of his cheeks? Puts that verse into a new perspective if you sit and ruminate on it. Is it about just turning the other cheek and taking the slap, not fighting back? Or is it about standing there and allowing the attacker to attack you just enough so you can hold him accountable by the law of the land?
Question: Given that Christianity is not the only religion or tradition which condemns homosexuality (Islam, some sects of Buddhism, Mormonism, Bahá'í), do gay advocates work as hard to twist their texts to say the opposite? It seems odd to me that Vines would spend so much time trying to make gay "okay" in the Bible, instead of just saying "Well, then I don't believe the Bible, and I won't be Christian."
True. I guess they think our religion is easier to fight.
I believe that they know it's not right but they ignore their conscience because their flesh likes it. It Satans' plan to get stuck in that sin so they won't accept Jesus and b eternally lost.
Leslynn Wheeler exactly
Yep, it’s detailed in Romans 1
I agree with you.. my own wife has left her family and turned back into that life and can’t even bring herself to say that God is okay with it.. she just says God loves everybody.. please pray for her .. we have two kids.. thank you
@@jayrocky9067 God bless you and your family, I pray for reconciliation in truth for your family.
@@jayrocky9067you're in my prayers
I remember Paul saying it is better for some to be alone to serve the Lord with your whole attention. I am older and (73) and don't remember scripture exactly But the Gracious Holy Spirit helps me remember the meaning. If wrong also the comforter will let me know. Yes I am leaning completely upon my blessed Trinity
We live in a world that always changes. Culture, fashion, trends....they are changing in such volatile ways from decade to decade. But God doesn’t change. He’s always the same. I always come back to....what does the world have to do with you? We are not of this world any longer. Our eyes are fixed above on Him and as long as we still walk this dirt the only thing that matters is what Jesus wants us to do while we are still here. That’s it. By keeping this thought at the front of my brain I’ve missed many pot holes of mistruth that would have spun me around and twisted my mind. Now, I’ve also fallen into those pot holes. That’s how I learn apparently. So from experience I can say once Jesus has you, he doesn’t let go. He is always there willing to pull us out of confusion if we just let him. See you in the sky!
33:47: @Mike Winger I absolutely LOVE how you very eloquently, but intelligently point out and uncover the true intent here!!!
They're really concerned with converting truth, just with mucking up the waters enough so others can't see their deception and they can do what they want to do...
More solid teaching. Great stuff.
Unrelated but it’s so funny that I just downloaded Path of Radiance and I see an Ike profile picture
There's a lot of things Jesus didn't say but I hope people would have common sense to do it like change your underwear, don't leave your baby on the roof of your car, don't buy French fries for you and your spouse and pretend you didn't dip into their fries then take the one with more fries...that last one is my sin 👀
@Simon Botte So Westboro Baptist discovered time travel and told 1st century Christians to oppose homosexuality?
wow I don't know how much one can twist what the bible says in order to get to the conclusion that Matthew Vine got to.
I’ve heard Matthew Vines speak several times and although he seems sincere, there is a sadness and loneliness that comes across. (Mike Winger addresses this well) Matthew Vines is a smart guy, but I don’t think he can live with himself if he takes the Old and New Testament as written.
It’s scary and sad man...
If Mike Winger actually did his homework, you would see that it is actually Winger who is twisting Scripture!!
@@mountainguy7762 how?
@@mountainguy7762 how? This crowd likes evidence and logic
You break things down so well!!!
Do you have a list of the ressources you provided in this video? I would love to read those books you provided.
Love these messages and everything about them
Except for that intro jingle...it shreds my ears
I like it😀
😂
Mike Winger at 26:40 you start saying "it's not like gender, which your born with and is obvious..." Lol OBVIOUSLY this was pre-2017... the year of the trans, lol.
All joking aside, great teaching 😁
You stated that temptations and sins are different. How does that work with Jesus saying that if you look at a women with lust you’ve committed adultry. I always thought that our temptations were indication of our universal need for a savior. Just curious. By the way I really love your teachings. Thank you for your ministry.
I've heard him touch on this on another video. Temptations are like uncontrollable thoughts, thoughts that pop into your mind that you can't help. The sin is the giving into those thoughts, letting them become more of a fantasy or something like that. You can't help temptation, but you can help entertaining it cause that's what makes it sin.
I've watched part one and part two, but can't find parts three and four. Can anyone post the links? (Maybe they're just not labelled part thee or four)
He has a playlist with all four videos, so you can find that on his channel. Just letting you know in case you never found them.
I LIKE THIS
Thank you Mike. God worked through your teaching today in my life answering a question about where does the theory of soulmates come from. Completely off topic but it was a question I had asked my daughter yesterday because she is deceived by all the new age spiritualism and false ways of the devil.
I’m trying to write down the quotes and references, but you talk so fast and it’s super difficult and I’m on the phone. Is there access to your notes, Mike?
Did you find the notes? I can link them if needed, he has them in one document for all 4 parts
@@weaverkirkpatrick356 that would be cool! Please do
I love your series on this, Mike! I would just take issue with your closing statement at 1:02:06. As Christians who have been given new purified hearts, we do have a righteous core. Our heart is the new Holy of Holies. When Jesus died, the curtain leading to the Holy of Holies tore in half. God now resides in our hearts by faith rather than in a Holy room in the Temple. He cleaned house and moved in. Why do we still sin, then? Because while our hearts are pure, our minds are not. That’s why Paul talks about the renewal of the mind in Romans 12:2.
I agree it's just that people use the word heart to mean many things. The Bible says the heart is treacherous and the world says "follow your heart" they mean your emotions. So perhaps Winger and you aren't thinking of the same thing when you're using the word "heart".
Deuteronomy 22:5, "“A woman shall not wear man’s clothing, nor shall a man put on a woman’s clothing; for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God."
Who decides that clothing is for men and which is for women?
@@Rpxvision261 Well CS the shape for one, two the whole of of humankind does, or you would not ask this question. It is a red herring question, Panties, bras, Corsets, dresses are feminine clothes, And as a ex cross dresser I can tell you what is woman's clothing and what is not, as well as what is male clothing and what is not, if I can do this so can anyone.
@@Delgen1951 they didnt have any of those things when this verse was written.. so human ideas of what clothes were for who trump Gods?
We aren’t even born with clothes, so cavemen are an abomination to god? And didn’t jesus say that it is not right to judge people or something like that?
Missing the point is easy. Addressing the truth, hard. This verse addresses purposeful cross dressing deception.
Thanks Pastor Mike
Good teaching.
Pastor Mike, could you do a teaching on why the Trinity or even the understanding that Jesus is God is necessary for salvation? I enjoy your teaching and believe you are an honest man seeking to exegete Scripture, but the idea of Jesus' divinity is beyond what I understand and therefore cannot defend it when it is brought up. Thank you and God bless you and your family!
If you want the truth religion islam is the one only how you believe what people can change and some people write Jesus never says am a God he never says my father he say my Lord. And our father
I have never see Muslims. Pastor become a Christian but I see my eyes. The pastor become Muslim
famous fun you are completely wrong about Jesus. Your Quran is completely false . All the different Qurans. Sorry to tell you but that’s the truth .
Btw. Jesus said “ I and the Father are ONE
Spencer Wentworth have you seen this? ruclips.net/video/p0cLKtR5kfE/видео.html
Not sure if this has what you are after but perhaps give it a watch?
Spencer Wentworth - believing the catholic created orthodox Trinity is not required for salvation. Believing that Jesus is God is necessary for salvation. God is triune but he is not 3 separate persons as most people believe.
Didn't Jesus also say " do not think I came to abolish the Law , nay , but to forfill it " when he said Law , isn't he refering to the Levitical law ? if yes , then he did say something about homosexuality in a broader sense when he said he " did not come to abolish the law " { get rid of it ? } " but to forfill it " { live it , obey it all ? } .. Anyone agree with this ? If i'm wrong , tell me why i'm wrong ,, I don't want to make statements that are wrong and sound like an idiot .. Thank You brothers & sisters , God Bless you all ...
Read 2 Timothy3,1-5
I agree with you
The flesh is weak but the spirit is willing
@Mike Winger Is there any way you could do a video showing the different ways that cults and heretical teachers (Hebrew Israelites, Unitarians, JW's, Mormons, etc) use the scripture we use to prove them wrong, turn around and use them to prove themselves right...
I think he has videos on that, look at his older ones
Love this teaching
Thank you so much Mike!
9:01: These would be a couple questions I would have for Mr. Vine: "If gay people are naturally gay, then how come nature did NOT make it so that two gay men or two gay women could reproduce?"
Another question: "If gay people are naturally created, born, etc this way and heterosexuality is NOT natural form them, then how come, if a gay person has sex with a person of the opposite sex, they will produce offspring? Shouldn't a naturally gay person be UNABLE to, heterosexuality speaking, procreate with a person of the opposite sex?"
this is brilliant, if people were really supposed to be that way, they would be able to have children but their not. the Bible says "man shall not lie with man" leviticus 18:22
Very good teaching ,bless you
An informative video. I do think that the pro-gay view represented here is a straw man and a poor representation of the opposing view when you research it a bit. However, I found it a really interesting exegesis.
>"I do think that the pro-gay view represented here is a straw man and a poor representation of the opposing view when you research it a bit..."
What other information would you have added?
@@nostalkingzone Misrepresentations of his opponents’ views:
- 02:30 - Mike’s reading of Romans 1 is not rejected “primarily” on the basis of it meaning gay people would be forced to be alone forever. He’s missed out the context they lay down for who Paul was talking to, the culture of the time, what we know of God’s character throughout scripture etc. He’s jumped from exegesis to application and missed loads of steps to make it sound non-sensical or silly.
- 03:52 - I’ve seen various interpretations of what the creation accounts in Genesis 1 and 2 mean when referring to “it’s not good that man should be alone”. It could refer to being the only human but it could specifically refer to a one flesh bond needed to reflect a particular kind of love. Using New Testament passages on praising the value of singleness doesn’t mean sexual love within marriage don’t have an important place within creation and you can’t then read back into Genesis 1 and definitively say it only refers to being the only human.
- 04:20 - he misrepresents the argument by making a flawed comparison with single people who have always had the option to marry if they desire. Even if they desire it but don’t end up getting married, it’s a very different mindset than FORCING someone to stay single. Paul never does this. He recommends singleness for the sake of the kingdom but makes it extremely clear it is his preference, not a command.
- This is what makes me most uncomfortable about the non-affirming view (both sides have their strengths and weaknesses). The church on the whole now accepts the existence of a minority of people who are born with same sex attractions and has to balance it with scripture where traditionally they shouldn’t be encouraged so they ended up with the conclusion of putting a sticking plaster on it by forcing them to stay single which I don’t find anywhere in scripture as a commandment for a whole section of society.
@@nostalkingzone …
- 16:40 - if as he’s just stated the argument goes that the number of long term, committed, same sex couples in the ancient world are few or even none, and Paul is condemning all same-sex acts that he is aware of, then he’s not condemning the type of relationship above. Of course, he’s not necessarily sanctioning it either. He just doesn’t have them in his head when writing to the Romans because that’s not the type of relationship that’s common at all. Mike makes a leap here that isn’t really backed up.
- “If Paul wanted us to think there was an exception to the rule, he didn’t give us any wiggle room to find that in the passage”. Mike has used “us” here which I find odd. Paul isn’t writing to us. The book is to 1st century Romans who didn’t have this issue as a burning question in their society. Why would Paul write the verse Mike is demanding to make the exceptions explicit? They did have all kinds of pederasty, rape of male slaves, temple prostitution etc going on that is on the agenda though. This is a strange way to read your Bible. It’s definitely given by God and FOR us, but the epistles are not TO us unless the Holy Spirit personally uses scripture we read and applies it to the believer now.
Modern society would have us believe that vile behavior is somehow acceptable and ecen advantageous to some. IE: homosexual marriage , killing your own offpring etc. Educate yourself and be prepared to stand against what you know to be wrong. Dont cowar.
thank you so much Pastor Mike ❤❤❤ really enjoyed watching your videos.
While I agree in general principle with you, I think your response to the loneliness argument was not solid. You countered that singleness for the kingdom is elevated in the New Testament and therefore gay singleness is not unfair. But you leave out that marriage is a provision in I Cor 7 for those Christians (the overwhelming majority of us) who do not have a level of self-control to be celibate. So wouldn't it be unfair to expect ALL gay Christians to exhibit that level of self-control forever, when only a fraction of straight Christians are expected to?
I understand your point on this; however, I don’t think we can really assert that all gay Christians will forever struggle with their attractions and, more specifically, their loneliness from not being in a marriage. I am not necessarily one to speak to the issue (I have struggled with the relational side of SSA but not the actual ‘physical acts’ side), but I can say that the more I spend time devoting myself to Christ rather than dwelling on relational loneliness, the less certain temptations define me and the less loneliness I feel. 1 Cor. 10:13 says “No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.” I believe that applies to the aftermath as well, be it loneliness or some other emotion. God is our Comforter, after all.
Now, does that mean I think all gay Christians will find themselves at peace with celibacy til God calls them home? No, I can’t make that claim either. But if God allows us to struggle in our emotions for long periods of time, when it’s connected to trying to live a holy life, it’s not unfairness nor neglect that keeps us in those emotions- it’s the mystery of God’s providence that is there for His purpose, which we may not know, but we can assume at least exists so that we know Him more and can better appreciate His sustaining us through the trials of life. If God asks us to deny some part of ourselves for Him, the blessing will definitely be greater than the burden in the end. ❤️
GOD bless you !!!!!!!!!
not just Plato's Symposium, but his Phaedrus, too, and Xenophon's (Socrates' student, too) Symposium.
Pastor Mike, what is that weird sound at the beginning of your videos? It’s like a baby voice on helium? It’s just weird, sorry. Good series though👍
Is that intro a reference to the "Ramen Noodle Podcast"?
8:40 wait isnt the implication that people who already worship idols and never worshiped God should continue to worship those idols?
And that they can b delivered
All of humanity is guilty in some way of idolatry.
Let's also not forget that Paul also said that women should remain silent in the church. Paul was talking to the culture at at time when women and slaves had no rights.
These things still apply. Our modern notions about gender roles does not change that. There are also several references in the Bible about how slaves, who should not be confused with modern day chattel slaves , should be respected.
@@QuatMan so women really should have no role or authority in the church?😅
@@sutoeben If we look at the Scriptures as they are written, without projecting our personal opinions about what we think is correct or incorrect ( based on whatever society in whatever age we happen to have been born in), yes...I absolutely agree with the Bible. I also agree with aaaaaallll the parts about how men should respect the women in their lives and fulfill their role as church leaders. 😊
@@QuatMan but Paul was also talking in a different time and culture. If we take it 100% at face value then eating shellfish and wearing mixed fabrics is also a sin.
@@sutoeben Mixed fabrics and shellfish are in the Old Testament and have nothing to do with the covenant outlined by Paul, which applies to non- Jewish people. This is the problem with not studying the Bible yourself...
The reason Jesus didn't talk about the gays is because he
doesn't sort the fish until he catches them.
He wants a chance to turn their heart before he throws them into the fire.
When it says "male prostitutes", doesn't that exclude homosexual loving relationships? (I'm just making sure whether or not a pro gay person can find a loop hole here).
not really....
No, because if they where unmarried, that would be prostitution (sex outside of marriage) and if they are "married", that isn't biblical marriage therefore they are not married therefore it is still prostitution.
Are married people really unable serve the Lord as well?
They will have less free time, but no where does it say they can’t also serve the lord; it may just be easier in another scenario
I guess Matthew Vine condemns the B in LGBT........
This is the biggest bummer of all Christianity lol I accept it, but I wish it weren't so.
Not of Christianity, of the word of God. Its a "bummer" to you but to God its abomination.
Former things....haha bummer crass but true! All sin is a bummer though. I can't drink, eat only sweets or have adulterous affairs even though I'm often tempted!
No, the biggest bummer is, “Let him deny himself, take up his cross, and follow Me.” That means I have to give up my fentanyl addiction. Not sure if giving up gay sex is that hard, but if I am going to follow Christ (who said nothing about fentanyl per se) denying myself is a must.
Great men of God have walked the path of loneliness and celibacy. You’ve got Jesus himself first of all and his disciples to look to in order to see what God can do with an obedient celibate lonely man.
What is your view on the use of the rainbow for the gay agenda
Wouldn't the arguement made at around the 11min mark imply that it's okay for non believers to be idolatrous? If the point of Paul's passage was to say everyone should remain as they are, then wouldn't that then follow that Paul is saying that people who are already idolatrous should remain idolatrous?
It's quite nonsensical.
Paul never said let every human being, no matter what situation of life they are in, continue to do whatever they have been doing. He specified certain situations that you shouldn’t worry about changing. I think you’ve just read him out of context and the no sensical view is a result of not trying to understand authorial intent.
@@MikeWinger I think you misunderstood my comment, friend. I was agreeing with you. I was speaking of the opposition's arguement being nonsensical, not yours.
I know that Paul never said that. I was speaking within the opposition's worldview to point out the inconsistency.
@@CassTeaElle ahhh Iol even I was confused, thinking that your comment was your view.
The way to convey someone else’s thoughts is to put what you type in quotes “ “. Also, a new way to convey someone’s thoughts, if you think they are saying silly/dumb things, is type the words as following: “bUt pAuL SAid iTs oKAy fOr idOLaTers to RemAiN idOLaTers”
@@progodspeed2311 So that’s what stupid lettering is supposed to mean. I wondered if it was a form of internet Turrets.
I disagree with your reading of 'it is better to marry than to burn'. Mike, you give it a very minimal interpretation - if you fall in love with someone of the opposite sex, go ahead and marry. To me, it seems a bit unnecessary for the Bible to say that - I know of no one who had the chance of marriage who rejected that in favour of a celibate life, missing out on companionship and intimacy. I believe it is teaching that if you cannot control your lusts it is better to discipline them in marriage than trying to deal with them when you are single and lonely and frustrated. Marriage does not cure lust but it certainly is presented here as offering a help in dealing with them. If I am lusting badly and I find it difficult to pray as all my prayers on sexuality have been rejected over decades, what do I do to cope with the torment? Any ideas? .
+David Kennedy I tried to answer that question to some extent in the next video in the series. I think that it ultimately comes down to walking in self-control and denying self. Marriage may help in a sense but married people must still fight that battle of lust. I don't think that God typically answers the prayer "take these desires away" until we stand before Christ in glorified bodies. I do think that feeding those desires causes them to grow (whoever commits sin is a slave of sin) as Ephesians also says when it tells us to put off the old man which grows corrupt according to deceitful lusts. James also says "blessed is the man who endures temptation".
I feel your pain David, or at least I think I do. My own struggle with sin has me longing desperately for heaven. I don't exaggerate when I say that I feel deeply my own depravity and though I have generally stopped praying for God to take away those desires it is not without hope. I look forward to the day that I will be in His likeness and will not only "not sin" but will no longer have any desire to do so. In the mean time am told that if I "walk in the Spirit" I will not "fulfill the lusts of the flesh" and that I should "mortify the flesh" and "reckon the old man dead" and "put off the old man" and on and on with the truth that sets my course on obedience in faith in spite of an internal, carnal draw toward sin.
+Mike Winger Thank you for your very personal reply. I know that I don't mourn over my own sin nearly enough. I am sorry about my posting last night - I was upset and the tone of it is wrong. It was selfish of me to throw that on you and I apologise. youtube is not a place for therapy. I feel very disappointed with God - that he allowed me to emerge from puberty 100% same sex attracted and that he then ignored every request I made to help me cope with a tough deal. He has not supported me in the ways I had hoped for. Twenty five or thirty years ago I wish I had prayed for asexuality but I did not know that word then. I would still have had the loneliness and the tedium of celibacy and I would still have had a struggle but I would not have had the torment of unfulfilled sexual desire on top of all that, nor would I have the fear of just packing all this in for the warmth and companionship of a homosexual relationship, thereby losing the Kingdom as described in 1 Corinthians 6. I don't understand why any of this has happened but it sure sucks much of the joy out of the Christian life. You have given me some pointers and for that I am grateful. David
+Mike Winger I have re-read my postings from a few weeks ago and I am disappointed by how selfish and self-pitying I have been, Sorry about that - it was unfair of me and you deserved better comments than these.
I take no offense David. In all honesty, I think you are struggling with what is true and how that makes you feel. Those feelings can bleed into our minds and make it hard to see clearly the simple truths that would help us out. I hope that God gives you clarity of mind and an understanding and application of true biblical doctrine about all the things you are dealing with. My only encouragement is to put yourself last and put God first. If He is the one you are trying to please everything tends to be much less confusing.
It's glaringly hypocritical and blatantly selective for Christians who claim to adhere strictly to the teachings of Christ to preach vehemently against same-sex love, often labeled as homosexuality, while simultaneously turning a blind eye to divorce, which is truly condemned in the Bible. This selective enforcement of biblical teachings reveals a deep inconsistency that undermines the credibility of those professing to uphold scriptural authority.
Selective Enforcement:
Hypocrisy in Focus: Many churches emphasize biblical condemnations of homosexuality (e.g., Leviticus 18:22, Romans 1:26-27) while neglecting equally clear condemnations of divorce (e.g., Matthew 19:9, Malachi 2:16). This selective focus on certain sins over others exposes a biased interpretation of scripture.
Cultural Bias: The disproportionate condemnation of homosexuality over divorce reflects cultural prejudices rather than a balanced reading of the Bible. This selective morality demonstrates a tendency to cherry-pick verses that support existing biases while ignoring those requiring more challenging self-reflection and change within the church community.
Biblical Consistency:
Matthew 19:9: "And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery." This verse explicitly condemns divorce and remarriage as adultery, yet many churches allow divorced members to remarry without the same level of scrutiny applied to same-sex relationships.
Malachi 2:16: "For the LORD, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away..." God’s strong disapproval of divorce is clear, yet this teaching is often downplayed in favor of more socially acceptable norms.
Practical Implications:
Prevalence of Divorce: With high divorce rates among Christians, many churches have adapted by being more lenient on divorce to retain congregants. This leniency starkly contrasts with the harsh stance often taken against homosexuality, highlighting a double standard.
Pastoral Care vs. Doctrine: Churches frequently prioritize pastoral care and inclusivity for divorced individuals, offering support and forgiveness. This compassionate approach is not equally extended to those in same-sex relationships, despite both being addressed in the Bible.
By highlighting these inconsistencies in how biblical teachings are applied, it's clear that the selective condemnation of homosexuality while ignoring biblical prohibitions against divorce reveals a profound hypocrisy within many Christian communities. This inconsistency calls into question the integrity of using scripture as a moral absolute when its application is so evidently biased.
Matt is reading into the text to justify sinful behavior. He is also interpreting the Bible by the ideas of others to justify sinful behavior. I wonder if he is gay and he wants to justify his own sinful behavior.
Bruh, did you watch the video? He took the biblical stance every single time.
@@JakeRuzi I believe Lovely Cat is referring to the man that Mike is quoting throughout the video. His name was Matt correct?
@@robbinsnest6163 you may be right, I think I misread ‘Matt’ as ‘Mike’.
OR, Matthew Vines has actually done more work on the true meaning of these passages than Mike Winger.
Mountain Guy the way you can know yourself is by asking Jesus and waiting on the lord to show up and teach you himself. He’s always willing when we are confused.
You should learn again about the red letter in the bible which best described as wordcof jesus. The meaning of christ is messiah..
A+
A Christian is the righteousness of God in Christ.
I have always seen Romans 1:18ff as being about idolatry and ignoring God leading to all kinds of sins. The passage is in the plural - it refers to 'they' and so we cannot read it in the sense of an individual moving from idolatry to hating God then on to homosexual conduct then working through the sins listed in the rest of the chapter.in the order they are listed. After all I have been totally homosexual in desires since 14 or 15 and I was in homosexual relationships for many years. But many of the sins listed here simply do not apply to me and they never did. I am not vicious, not full of murder, not malignant, not insolent, not disobedient to parents, not a breaker of my word, not without affection, not pitiless. It is wrong to assume all these sins are to be found in a single person. But to me it is clear that this condemns all homosexual behaviour (British spelling!).There is a wrong way to interpret Romans 1. Pastor Steven Anderson a Baptist minister says that God punishes a person who has already rejected Him by turning him over to a reprobate mind and letting the person free to wallow in his sins. There is no hope for such a person and for the Pastor this appears to happen at the point when God gave the person homosexual desires, the deviance of which Pastor Anderson stresses. in other words, God gave me up at 14 or 15. There is no point in preaching the gospel to such a person and he or she cannot understand the Bible as he or she has a reprobate mind. Anderson is nothing if not consistent - he tells his church not to evangelise any homosexuals they meet when out and knocking doors. Anderson also thinks we should have a theocracy and the State should execute homosexual men and lesbians i.e. he would go beyond even Leviticus. I am sure this way of seeing Romans 1 is false and horrible theology but any time I challenge it Anderson supporters just tell me that I don't understand the Bible as I have a reprobate mind. Blessings to all, David
David Kennedy Pastor Anderson has a lot of hate in his heart, you can see the hate in his eyes. Im sorry for the way his followers have reacted towards you, they are just trying to imitate their leader...Anderson is responsible for the hate he spreads and the actions people take based on their beliefs and understandings of his teachings.
I hope you heard truth when you listened to this teaching.
Blessings.
That interpretation of Romans is wrong, Paul is talking about human depravity in general, not what happens to individuals. This probably comes from an over individualised (British spelling :-)) mentality which is typical of the west, but not the society Paul was living in. I have struggled with SSA too, but I do not reject God, and I never have. I have not always been saved, but I have never deliberately turned away from God. It does not work to apply this passage individually.
Christ loves you and you should be able to figure out what the bible says by yourself ALONE....be honest with yourself...understand heterosexual men fight the urge to pursue sex partners other than wife...adultery, and the single man must fight the urge to fornicate with willing women. As I had said Christ loves you and if asked he will lead you to a revelation of truth....all sexual sins are serious with neither on being more ok...none better or worse this than that.
Don’t listen to that Anderson guy he ain’t right! He’s just hateful!! God loves all! We are all sinners and jesus died for all!
@@jasonvanengelenhoven3063 Off the top of my head, and it's been a while since I read the Old Testament as a whole...only seen bits and pieces on a regular basis, so Sodom & Gomorrah hasn't come up in a while.... I think Sodom & Gomorrah were simply an example of sinful populations and what God thinks of sinful populations as a whole. Remember the flood?
I've been taught, and I think the bible is pretty clear that, unlike what some would teach, there is no "scale" of sin. Homosexuality is like adultery, or theft, or murder. Adultery occurs regardless of you having sexual relations with another person's wife. Murder occurs regardless of you swinging an axe, or pulling a trigger. If your mind is on either, you have committed the sin, if you read Matthew 5.
Is "nature" more important than God? Didn't God create "nature"? God created MAN and WOMAN to be complimentary. The act of homosexuality is therefore unnatural, and sinful, against God. Not against nature.
I could blather on and on, without really coming to a conclusion except that there is no scale of sin and being same sex attracted is not, in itself, sinful. Lust is. Acting on it is.
How anyone can read the Bible and come away with the conclusion that God condones homosexual behavior is insane!😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫
I know three gay people quite closely. Two of them were rejected by their parents for being gay and one was supported by their parents. One of them, the one who was accepted is absolutely thriving and is a productive, good member of society. The other two died of suicide. That says something to me. Let’s be very careful who we condemn and how we treat other people. What did Jesus say was the most important commandment? That’s the one I’m gonna follow.
"Love the Lord your God with all your heart soul mind and strength"
Jesus also says
"If you love me you'll keep my commandments"
God's commands are not contradictory or exclusive to each other. The command is to love God. Love Him by keeping His commandments
False teaching is simply false teaching. Sin is sin. Making it to fit your own sin doesn’t make it right. All sin is wrong and we must repent and stop doing the sin. It’s better to stay single. Refrain from sex. Wrong is wrong.
The Word speaks for itself about sin from the beginning to the end. God didn’t make two Adam’s or two Eve’s. For whoever listens to you know in agape love you’ve been reproved to teach accurately as you will be held accountable.
A greater sin is the religions not teaching The Testimony in order about God’s first love.
Christ
The First Fruits-Rachel’s children
The Unleven.
Then
The Wheat leaven us born as sinners via Adam & Eve.
is it understood that Paul just by common sense saw that the goodwill of the many and for the triumph of the Cristian movement, the few people at least had to wait for their turn to get justice and equality? and what about the theme where in the eternal life there are no genders?, does that not make it petty to be in someone else's bedroom business and telling them that loving each other of the same sex is damaging to some how or even evil?
Its the bedroom act thats wrong, not the loving eachother in a nonsexual way.
You forgot to mention divorce
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I’d love to know how gays and lesbians were starting families in Ancient Rome lol
Nothing ad hoc about Vines argument at 13:00 minutes in. In pagandom and Rome it was the cultural norm for grown men to take advantage of adolescent boys, that is molest, rape, or coerece them into sex. And it was not mutual. It was the man always in the dominant position and the boy in submissive. This was also a common method of shaming losers in warfare.
So in this context Vines argument makes perfect sense. Homosexuality at this time seems to by synonymous with those violent lustful things. NOWHERE in the Bible or ancient texts are these issues separated. So it's a huge assumption to then say monogamous male relations of love is what Paul meant by "homosexual". The context is incredibly heavy in the other direction.
God is the Author of the Holy Bible, not Paul or anyone else.
Paul received direct revelation from Jesus, and confirmed his theology with the disciples. His letters can be counted as God breathed, no?
First question: What if Paul was wrong? What would Jeshua say about it? Were the centurion and his servant Jeshua healed due to the centurion’s faith likely lovers and not mere a master-servant duo?
Question two: Are you even more harsh in your condemnation of divorce since Jeshua expressly prohibited it except for in the case of infidelity? Over the XXth Century, Protestant churches softened their policies on divorce and remarriage, but God did not. Jeshua specifically addressed this issue.
Addendum: If you interpret the Bible as holding that a loving, lifelong, monogamous same-sex relationship is evil but a consummated man and a woman who do not love one is another is okay, your theology is clearly warped because sound morals serve to promote human flourishing not to hinder it. Id est, the Law exists for humans and not humans for the Law.
Are you familiar with theologian Eugene Roger’s reverse argument to yours that Christians should favor a more merciful and affirming stance on same-sex marriages because to deny the work of the Holy Spirit’s work in the sacrament of true love between two persons borders on blaspheming the Holy Spirit?
Third question: Why such a hateful tone? There is nothing charitable or Spirit-filled in your tone. You may be right. You may be wrong. This is a peripheral theological issue in which Christians can disagree and still be devoted orthodox/Nicene Christians.
rockonmadonna - God/Jesus hates some things and a false teacher is right near the top of the list. Paul TWICE said let them be ACCURSED to avoid any confusion of what his feelings towards false teachers. Not much love there!
1 Galatians 8-9 (KJV)
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be ACCURSED.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be ACCURSED.
Romans 9:13
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I HATED.
Psalm 139:22
I HATE them with perfect HATRED: I count them mine enemies.
Ecclesiastes 3:8
A time to love, and a time to HATE; a time of war, and a time of peace.
Proverbs 6:16-19
16 These six things doth the Lord HATE: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
I know that we are called to love but we are also called to hate. We are also called to “mark them and avoid them” and to “separate ourselves from them”.
Applying scripture correctly is a challenge that we all face. One can’t ignore the verses they don’t like and promoting the verses that tickle their ears.
Why would Paul be wrong, he was led by the Holy Spirit
Let's assume the centrion and his servent are gay- just cuz they where healed does not mean God is ok with thier actions. I sin all the time and ask forgiveness and have faith that God heals me and he does. He still wants me to work towards turning away from sin, him healing me doesn't suddenly mean it's ok to sin.
Idk if he has touched on the topic of marriage and divorce yet or not but considering he decides what is ok and not ok strictly on biblical text and not modern "'o thats old fashioned, times are different now'" theory- then I'd say it's safe to say that he follows it strictly to what the bible says.
@@rockonmadonna he never says non loving men and women should go around sleeping together- sex outside of marriage is not ok. Speaking against same sex marriage is not blasphemy, I suggest looking up the definition and examples of what it means.
He does speak hatefully but just reads and compares thoelogies. Did you watch part one?
When you love others, you want what is best for them and therefore speak truths to them in hopes to help them. It comes from the heart. Those who speak hatefully on touchy subjects don't take time to explain why they disagree with others but name call and belittle others.
The problem I have is that the Bible verses make it seem like its a choice, if it was a choice, it would make complete sense to be against God's intended plan. What are gay people supposed to to do, be alone and control their urges all their lives? does the Bible have a remedy, or are gay people not intended to be children of god.
I haven't watched the later videos to explain his take that gay people aren't born that way, but I do believe they are. We have plenty of people that say they have never felt any sexual attraction toward the other sex throughout their whole lives, and homosexuality is pretty well documented throughout history. I think it's just acting upon that lust that is the problem. For any person who is gay who is not a Christian, I don't expect them to live any other way because they don't have Christ in their life. A recent thing I heard that I like is you are born that way, but Jesus makes you born again. When you accept Christ into your life you are made into a new person, so you are in the world but called not to be of the world. I've seen good testimony of people who were gay and/or bi not having any same sex feelings or having reduced feelings after starting to walk in a Christian life. The Bible continually teaches us that the nature of man is sinful, and the only way to help us with that is with Jesus.
@@sarahsays194 but when a straight person is born again, he/she can still is straight and feels attraction to opposite sex, and can be married and have companionship.
@Josh Varghese So you're basically asking is it God's will for people to live a lonely and sad life if they have ssa, correct?
@@sarahsays194 Yes
@Josh Varghese God's will is for us to resist sin because God hates sin. God never said that we wouldn't be tempted with things. God has told us to have self-control over that temptation when it happens. As I said before, God has delivered people out of SSA, but it doesn't happen for everybody, and for those who it doesn't I would say yeah God looks to be calling them to live a celibate life if they can't see themselves romantically loving someone from the opposite sex. Now that may sound depressing, but also keep in mind whenever any Christian gets married both go into the marriage knowing that the spouse is not ever going to be number one. God is. I am straight, am in my mid-thirties, and have never had a relationship. Would I like to marry? Yes. But if God has called me to remain single for the rest of my life, then I'm going to be single. If God puts a man in for me to marry, then I'll get married. Christians always strive to do what God wants not what we want. Keep in mind also marriage is just another area of emotional intimacy we want to have, and you can get emotional intimacy in other areas of life. People have friends, they have family, they can do outreach, etc. You can do more things when you're not attached to somebody in a lot of areas as well, and God can use that availability. I think society has put so much stock that you have to be married, you have to have kids, you are not complete without that other person in your life. Only God completes us. Everything else is a plus. A Christian's goal is to glorify God and do his will to the best of their ability. And we do find joy doing that. Also, let's not forget that there are people who are completely fine being single.
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WTF was that intro
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I have always felt as if people becoming homosexual is a consequence of the lack of pride or the excess of pride... Like.. "Feeling too little of yourself to get a relationship with the opposite sex or thinking too big of yourself to get a relationship with the opposite sex".
How can you be this much ignorant.? I love women as friends, but that's all, it's not that we are lacking in or brimming with pride, but rather that we don't find the female body arousing
@@daviddas5107 Pride is not a choice, every person has or gets little or much. I am not saying that it is a conscious decision, I am saying that that lack of excess thereof causes someone to not find the oposite sex arousing.
@@Jelmomovies' lack of excess thereof causes someone to not be attracted to the opposite sex'-I hope English is not your first language. But anyways, it's not about being proud. I knew I was attracted to men when I was just three years old. What pride are you talking about? I'm not one bit proud or boastful
@@daviddas5107 English is my 3rd language actually, and the word "of" shoudl have been "or", but thank you for your ESL-Feedback. I am honestly interested in how you can KNOW you are interested in men before your brain and attitude towards things has fully developed. I am not saying that it is about being proud.. I am saying it is about pride. Pride is a sin that we have gained, everyone has it. I think you are misunderstanding my statement and yet again, it is my opinion, not a fact. I am saying that having feelings or lust for the same sex can be the consequence of you having too much or too little pride. (Mike also somewhat says this in his preaching) e.g. Immagine I am the youngest of 3 boys, and the other 2 boys get more attention from dad than I do, this could cause my pride to be influenced negatively.. I see myself lacking and would (subconsciously) cause my feelings to direct in such a way that I might get attention from dad.
@@Jelmomovies you have been brainwashed by these people. Also there are many straight people who are either way too proud of themselves or are extremely insecure. Gay men are mostly very sensitive and are often teased for not being manly enough. So it's not that because they are neglected or teased, they eventually become under confident and finally become gay, the truth is they are neglected and teased because they are gay . BTW are you gay?
I don't let the Christian bible define "sin" for me since it condones slavery(Lev. 25:44-46), beating slaves(Exodus 21:20-21), incest(Genesis 19:33-36), rape victims being required to marry the rapist(Deuteronomy 22:28-29), treating women and children as property(Genesis 19:8, 1 Timothy 2:11-14, 1 Corinthians 14:33-35), requires battered women to remain married to abusive husbands(Matthew 19:9, 1 Corinthians 7:10-12), condones jihad type warfare where all children are killed save the virgins who are a 'reward'(Numbers 31:15), says disobedient children should be stoned to death (Deuteronomy 21:18-21) and makes no mention at all of child molestation, the worst possible crime.
I've never seen so many Bible verses taken out of context at the same time :(
Lady of Christ
Ironic considering how mike’s videos have done exactly that regarding the lie that homosexuality is a sin.
@@Mabeylater293 What is the true context then?
Elias
Regarding the “so-called” homosexuality references?
@@Mabeylater293 yes
Again, smoking pot is not wrong. You've made very good video about bible's view on alcohol, so if THC is not even in 10% as harmfull as alcohol is, then bibles's view on weed would be the same. It's good when it's moderate, but it's bad when you overuse it. Let's not forget that God created cannabis, while drinkable alcohol is purely human invention.
It's still a drug though, and it's wrong to use drugs. I know most people won't agree with me, and that's ok. But weed and any other drug is not supposed to be smoked or taken. Using it as medicine is different, because the part that makes you high is taken out. But we should not be influenced by drugs and alcohol. in other words not get high on drugs or get drunk. That's not what it's for. Weed can be used as something to heal but then it should be in a controlled environment. Not to get high. THC is for medical use only
@@MadivDam Medical cannabis has 21% THC or more. Without THC it doesn't have any medical benefits and THC is the part that makes you high, so no - it's not taken out. High from weed doesn't impare your senses like alcohol does. It enchances them. Please, educate yourself. You demonize cannabis without any good reason, or knowledge.
@@este4955 I didn't mean to upset you, but yes I actually have a very good reason but it's personal
@@MadivDam Please, explain to me what your personal subjective reasons have to do with objective reality? I don't think you really know what's the definiotion of a "drug" if you can so easily say that drugs are bad. Aspirin is a drug. Is aspirin also bad? Just because you had bad expierence with someone who used cannabis, that doesn't mean cannabis is bad. It means that person was bad, not the medicine. I'm not upset, but I'm tired of listening over, nad over again how bad and devilish cannabis is without any good reason behind those claims. It's not true. Cannabis is good. Candys are more harmfull then cannabis, but noone goes to jail for possesion of candybar. That's absurd.
@@este4955 I'm sorry I was wrong
You assert that the Bible writers generally condemns all homosexual behaviour. Mike that is false. Only Paul in Romans speaks about lesbian relationships - the other passages clearly speak only of male homosexual conduct.
Damm, got ‘em
The languages the Bible was written in are not gender neutral, and in a male-dominated society, so of course they would mostly talk about men, whether it's cultural, linguistic, or a mix of both
Sorry Mike your arguments are at best distorted and at worst simply prejudiced. Listening to the way you funnelled Mathew Vines' points through a pre-constructed sieve designed to deliver your predetermined conclusions was academically disappointing.
Lots of you in the comments saying the same thing but not backing up your claims. That says enough.
Homophobia is a powerful force: causing Winger and others to twist Scripture in such a way that avoids the accurate understanding of these passages! I’m so glad many pastors and theologians are starting to do the in-depth work to get to the true meaning!
Homophobe
He loves gay people, but he hates sin.
@@kolmonio he loves them the same way Hitler loved Jews.
@@strix5673 Now thats just crazy! You can tell someone that what they do is wrong without hating them.
@@kolmonio in theory Christians are supposed to do this, but in reality, they're are basically exactly the same as the Nazis. Being a Christian and not be completely hateful and evil isn't possible.
@@strix5673 Well then you just don't know what Christianity truly is, Jesus loved the sinners and wanted every single one of them to come to repentance.