I like this side of jstern. Feels like he's too chaotic on his own but he makes some really good arguments when forced to mellow out to not offend zajef lol
I was there for the streams, it was surreal. I started the day by watching Jstern, but then halfway through switched to watching Zajef and literally right as I started watching Zajef, Jstern called him, so I basically just stayed on the Jstern stream lol
This feels like a conversation we should only be having after she is out, there's just a lot of speculation and opinions based on things we just haven't fully seeing
well ackshually, we pretty much have all the info we need, as long as they don't adjust her stats/kit anymore. there's quite a few videos of Furina's abilities along with all the technical TC stuff.
Thr Wriothsley burgeon (?) team makes a lot of sense. I run a team of Noelle Nahida Yelan Xiangling with a similar concept where you erase the burn aura (Noelle geo) before applying off field hydro to both Yelan Vape and make more seeds that Xiangling can burgeon. I suppose in this case, it would be Wriothsley's cryo that erases some burn beforehand for the extra vape and seeding.
@@marcelusjarabe4057I tried to post the vid of the original creator of the team, but it seems like pasting link killed my comment. Basically, Xingqiu might do too much hydro app, so it would only work fluidly with Nahida's high dendro. DMC could still work well with Yelan though. So far, I haven't seen any English community discussing the team, so if you want to see a vid with nice visuals and team showcase, I recommend copy pasting "노엘 연소증발화" (Noelle BurnMeltBurgeon) in YT. Otherwise I could share more details myself. I do run a slightly diff rotation too.
@@mickysaif oh i didnt read the vape yelan thingy, mb. but what i wanted to ask was if the burgeon Noelle with xiangling would work without triggering burning
Furina might be the first character to create this many situations among theorycrafters and players.. Some say she is broken , some say she is balanced , some say she is sh*t , some she is the best hydro and some say she is the best unit in the game...
I feel that people who said she was bad was people who only hand 2nd hand knowledge of what furina can do. I'm pretty sure all of that furina is bad was from before her kit got buffed. After her huge buff this people who mistook her kit being bad recieved news of how good actually she is only made them second guessing what they thought they know
To be fair though, you have to understand that a lot of people aren’t really into Theorycrafting. so naturally, it is normal for them to say dumb shit. feelscrafting is a thing in casual community. She’s an alright character, even in her pre-buff state. her personal damage and hydro application at the baseline is worse than Xingqiu/Yelan but in exchange, she gives you an omega big DMG buff. she also trade off one slot for a healer (which usually don’t do any damage). so I says everything is balancing out.
Okay, zajef, the food names are fine. It reminds me of Magic the Gathering. But, you explained what boy Marie is and I still don't know what it is. Its gotta be at least somewhat catchy of a name to catch on. Like fridge or or soup.
Bain Marie is also known as double-boiler or hot water bath. If you temper chocolate or make dishes like cheesecake or creme brulee, it's a way to prevent overheating the dessert as the water cannot be hotter than 100C.
The Xingqiu making you invincible is so real that recently I was farming domains with Cyno + Xingqiu and somehow, despite being the one who spent most time on-field, he was the healthiest one out of the entire team-
I think Dehya gets relevance through Furina because of game balancing, where just as Hoyo introduced mechanical and elemental checks of enemies as well as hyper aggressive enemies like the consecrated beasts, they will also do the same with Furina's release, and that makes Dehya even more prevalent. How would you balance the game with your characters being more sustainable through more max HP and healing? My theory is that enemiy groups released post-Furina would hit hard like Dark Souls bosses, plus new damage mechanics such as max HP percentile damage, so basically fixed % damage that is based off % of your character's max HP. It wouldn't deal a flat value but damage relative to % of max HP, so enemies hit much harder respectively, but also as a reward playstlye to give you more Fanfare stacks. Dehya pretty much halving a % of fixed% damage makes it much better for the team to survive, and is eliminates the issue with Dehya taking less HP loss from a flat Damage value received and transated. Also, Dehya burn-vape is quite a suggestion to enable Furina to forward vape, and this without needing so much ER such as for Xiangling, and you can just maintain uptime via Sac Greatsword. I am in expectation of what new counters we will have against us with Furina increasing the survivability and high-risk high-reward play and heightened damage of teams. I genuinely believe Fontaine would be the appropriate time to introduce enemies that do fixed percentile damage, just not on all attacks but on signature attacks like Wind/Frost Operatives with Bond of Life application.
Cope dude. There is one thing that furina helps, and that is bringing healers relevance. Dehaya heals once every 20 seconds and only herself and only a little. Sorry....but no one in their right mind is using dehaya to bring out furinas potential. Dehaya is becoming a decenttttttt sidegrade to some characters in some new teams like lyney mono pyro and neuvillete hyperbloom. Key focus being on decent and sidegrade cause there is always other options. But sadly....furina does not cater to dehaya whatsoever. And.....that's just that.
Your Cooking feels a bit mild,but i guess thats personal bias to ones own cooking. My own cooking would be Vadouvan. So curry but French. Furina/Dendro/Pyro/Electro its basic idea is similar to your Bain-Marie but instead of reducing the pyro from burning with cryo you use electro to cause overloads and quicken. and while furina doesnt up the bloom reactions dmg it will up the personal dmg of the mostly em build units by alot given those lack elemental goblets.does need good critvalues on substats. might only work with nahida given that you need a constant stream of dendro to withstand the electro pyro and hydro apply. but upping her e dmg sounds Funk. My own Team for this is weird there are most likely better options but gotta provide an example. my version also req. c2 furina or atleast c1 to be worthwhile, similar i would say for other versions of this,until more fontaine units release that could be slotted into this for faster stack gains. also dont mind my units used its just fitting to my playstyle i just gotten so used to dehya e res and burst in this it feels like a literal Tank moving over pure Chaos when used in combo with doris burst* Team: nahida with dreams r1 and deepwood 4pc em/em/critdmg, dehya beacon r1 gilded 4pc em/em/em, furina ferryman r5 golden troupe hp%/hp%/critdmg, dori favonius r5 gilded 4pc em/em/em. so standard burgeon/hyperbloom builds for the electro and pyro while trying to get critvalue from substats and er% as needed. Nahida on her generic builds will do,i just have a busted af deepwood set that outshines all my gilded sets for her in total team dps with enough er% aswell so she doesnt need fav herself. Same for furina where i need the critrate more from the pipe over another fav. *Doris cons are NEEDED,without them she really isnt a useable unit but with them she really adds alot to this team, her burst energy gain while small does add up combining it with her c4 and favonius is also a very big help if you funnel the particles into a Swap burst cast ,the unit that bursts gets a good chunk of energy back. and if dori is c6 her onfield teamwide healing is also very useful, my own dori currently heals for a bit above 1k per hit with furinas buff i will heal the whole team 4 times per na string for a decent amount. her c4 also keeps dehya alive during her burst alot easier even if you facetank boss hits or groups of hard hitting enemys given that it also ups her own selfhealing. saved my runs plenty of times when dehyas hp bar had more drama then the dehyamains subreddit during the beta. gonna make use of that now with furinas burst to gain more dmg from it and even more healing. by my own calculations should get i c2 furina.my c1 dehya burst will hit for about 15k per crit punch, double the amount it does now which i say for a burgeon build is nice. should i somehow get a vape the dmg is gonna be funk given the 1k em she would have onfield. if i only get c1 it lowers to around 10-11k but still a good enough increase given the rest of the team also keeps doing dmg during her burst even better than right now without furina. overall im in good spirits this will work,i mean i used the same setup but with nilou as the sole hydro apply and it worked out,granted i did more overburn then anything else but eh nahida likes all reactions equally. Feel free to rip me a new bumhole if want,but ya cant change my mind i know this teams pros and cons well enough due to constant abyss usage(everything since dehya release but wenut and double cryo,hydro herald floor). and yes i can feed dehyas burst even with the little er% my dehya has(125%) she has, thanks to god damn dori and nahida particles so adding and feeding furina who has currently 163%+pipe effect will be cakewalk.
@@achy7872 You don't have to get so defensive over a stranger's opinion about your favorite content creator's funny meme. I didn't even attack him or anything. I aint letting him off easy because I like him too. Grow up and do better.
The funniest part about all of this discussion is that all of this shit is fine and the discussion of balance barely matters. Like the thinking about and discussing balance and relative strength is more interesting than actually playing any of those teams and clearing each side of abyss in about a minute.
For me i like that fact that they reduced furinas burst cost from 70 to 60, in this way I don’t have to use favge or that festering desire weapon (which I don’t even have) on her, i can go for her signature or the bp weapon. Its a big buff
Do someone knows if neuvillette's weapon is better than Lost prayer for wriothesley C0 or C1 ? I have both and i don't really know wich one will give the most benefits Some says it's neuvi wep and some says it's Lost prayer i'm confused. Thank you for your time.
I mean it would probably function, but I don't really see much of a point in using Kuki here since she isn't doing anything except providing another stack for Nuev and is also really annoying to work with since her skill often won't be hitting since you want to Kite with Nuev and not be next to the enemy. I'd sooner use Yaoyao or Baizhu for the team healing for Furina stacks and easier app or maybe Charlotte. A pyro healer would be nice maybe for some additional vapes but we don't really have one, Bennet is indeed one but yeah he's not really doing anything for Nuev. Either way yeah the last slot doesn't have a great healer to fill it that contributes a lot.
@@twigz3214 Maybe Charlote will be good. Kuki can trigger Electro Charged, you can even build her with EM instead of HP, thats more dmg than the other healers. At 1K EM, charged should hit like 10k so its not bad, it also hits AoE and stuns enemies. So group with Kazuha and electrocharge everything, then focus Neuv beam on the bigger enemies...
with c0/1 furina, Kuki should be enough healing to get your stacks in a Neuv Team if you pull for c2 furina then you dont need a Healer at all in a Neuv Team, because 1 Neuv-CA caps the stacks (Kuki -> Fischl/Yae with golden troupe ig)
Dori could actually be pretty good here.She needs alot of ER but she is a very good fit here cuz a)Electro infusion will prevent the hydro from drowning out the electro application b)She restores energy for both off them.
@@IDKbruh420that’s dumb. it is still one of his best team at C0. sure, you lose one stack but why does it matter ? you have enough damage in that team to clear shit anyway. beside, building a cohesive team is much more important than trying to get one more stack. you can also gains one more stack by just reacting with element that is on enemy.
@@nanathedelta8561It's more of his interruption resistance on his C1 that makes the comp much more comfy. When he's at C0, a shielder is usually recommended.
@@nanathedelta8561nah what you're saying is dumb, neuvi needs a shielder easpecially in abyss and losing 35% of his damage is huge in a hypercarry team, you can still do it since this game is easy but it won't be his best team at c0
That team of wrio wouldn't work at all. 3 enrgy hungry characters of different elements? Unless you run them all with favonius and a lot of ER but at that point would it be worth it?
Yes it would be, because Furina ain’t losing that much from a Fav, especially because she’s vaping. Xiangling’s losing a bit, but because of EM diminishing returns it’s actually not as much as you think. Baizhu’s only there for application and healing, he’s a good healer, so you can afford a bit more ER. Wriosthesley doesn’t have any ER reqs.
You can deal with their ER needs, I play teams like that quite often even energy poor scenarios (stuff like Sucrose, Yelan, Rosaria and a Xiangling… yes, it works and it’s also actually decent)
To be extremely precise is not an object, or the word was used to describe a technique that without equipment is made by placing water into a pot over the fire then putting the food you want to cook into another pot that is placed into the water ...
its as if the 'well ackshually' meme came to life
Well ackshually 🤓☝️
um ackshually 🤓🤓
According to my calculations ☝️🤓
zajef & jstern looking like furina's pneuma and ousia mode visual design
Best comment ever
I can’t unsee it and I love it. Thank you
Zajef. 77. Jstern. 25
Nerdge vs Nerdge, truly the end game pvp content we needed.
These are Furina's two personalities 😂
LMFAOOOOO
Bruhhh im crying 😭😂
💀
WHAT
bro.....LMAO
good tc pvp content. love to see it.
When the toppers of the class debate the answer:
When the nerds* debate the answer. Ftfy
true😭
@@Puppetmaster2005 everyone who plays genshin is a nerd, no questions asked. when the toppers debate is more accurate.
@@BloodyHowl69 hi nerd
@@Puppetmaster2005 sup fellow nerd
i’m more than halfway through and i still can’t tell if these two are friends or have a mild dislike for each other, it’s awesome
lol they both have their own biases and when the other person points it out they start defending it and then yea😭
Honestly thats how most friendships are lol
I hate it when mom and dad fight
I mean zajef isn't really nice, he is really hard to get along with
@@Aiden-iy9duNo one talks to there friends like that , they legit dislike each other
9:51 Wrio convo start
Thank god, doing lords work
Lasts about 10mins ,no Wrio discussion l8r
Thank you so much, I don't really have time to watch the entire vid, just came for Wrio 😭
Also 31:58
two grown up adults arguing about Jenshin impact
I love it
two jrown up adults
Well, akshually...
It is spelled Jenshin Impac 🤓
@@calliope-greiigrown 🤓
Jood comment
where link in description.
where link in description.
man wasn't even paid in exposure
Madge not even mentioned in title Madge
Zajeff is cringe and its no use arguing with him.Loud doesnt mean true argument
(Zajef)77 - (Jstern)25 = 52(nretsJ)
Cool
(zajef)77 - (jstern)25 = 77je(zaf) - 25je(strn) = 25je(3.08zaf - strn)
@@noobuserlol4266 ultimate gauge theory
lmfao
Y'all need to go outside
Zajeff be like: "yeah I understand 😒"
I feel zajef tho😭, I love jsterns work because he’s a good tc but he explains things in a billion words which gets a bit tiring
i mean zajef kinda does that also lmao@@mavswrld
@@mavswrld skill issue tbh
@@jombieslayer918 like your mom ?
Id pay for a PVP PreTC Podcast with these 2
Put in TGS too
This is the equivalent of the two smartest kids in class getting different answers
So cool of Zajeff77 to collab with Zajeff76!
i love how you just minecraft parkour in the background during discussions now lmao it really does work in keeping my attention span
he does it oftewhen he's talking about something and he's in game lmao it's a little bit entertaining fr
It’s really satisfying to do when you’re having a conversation with someone while in genshin
wow zajef met his younger brother
I actually think zajef is younger lol
Zajef is 22😭
@@yaemiko0614 he's 23 but still definitely younger than jstern lmao
@@yaemiko0614Damn, the effects of malding are harsh
@@lucasfranke5161 it's just the beard..
"PVP THEORYCRAFTING" someone said 🤣
the video description? lol
All I'm going to say is: Sunfire Jean is getting a HUGE upgrade, and Jean in general.
In general Jean is getting a huge buff, it's kinda like dendro for keqing. She's gonna be sooo much more viable once Furina is out
@@idk-sy3iuSo it's safe to say that Diluc is line up next in Natlan? 😅
Damn I wish I have Jean. Been playing since launch and I still don't have her :'(
C2 Jean just waiting for her chance😊
@@tristanmanalo6252Qiqi will be the Natlan Buffed Char
I like this side of jstern. Feels like he's too chaotic on his own but he makes some really good arguments when forced to mellow out to not offend zajef lol
The most socially awkward conversation ever recorded (and I loved every sec of it)
POV: you're in line at an anime convention and the two neckbeards in front of you are arguing over whether Goku or Sasuke would win in a fight.
J stern : i do like the furina buffs
Zajeff : i dont . They are cringe
😂
Theorycrafting Player VS Player
I was there for the streams, it was surreal. I started the day by watching Jstern, but then halfway through switched to watching Zajef and literally right as I started watching Zajef, Jstern called him, so I basically just stayed on the Jstern stream lol
Nothing about that is surreal, ur watching two grown men play and argue video games, touch grass
@@WeAreGhuraba Thank you for your insightful input 👍
Have a good day!
I've been staring at the archon of inazuma jump around a fountain for over 18 minutes now, what am I doing man
Let's gooo a full blown concert
Bruh What was I thinking while tying this, i meant podcast
i feel like i'm watching two slightly different zajef clones talking to each other
two zajeffs pog
Finally genshin pvp
We need more Zajestern meta content
They're having a "umm akshually"-off.
I love deep dive discussions on Genshin Theory crafting, this is gold.
Jstern laughing feels uncanny
Yes his mouth doesn't move
@@putent9623 He doesnt use any of his facemuscles
This feels like a conversation we should only be having after she is out, there's just a lot of speculation and opinions based on things we just haven't fully seeing
This isn’t 1.0 anymore.
well ackshually, we pretty much have all the info we need, as long as they don't adjust her stats/kit anymore. there's quite a few videos of Furina's abilities along with all the technical TC stuff.
This isn't 1.0 anymore
People in this replies still haven't learned after 3 years that theory and practice aren't the same thing.
This isn't 1.0 anymore.
I would take a bath with wriothesley
I would like a bath with toaster
The pile of unwashed clothes in jstern's background is the most Genshin player backdrop there is lol
this is like the class topper nerdges debating, having a slight disdain for each other, pretty fun lol
It's like Magnus and Hikaru in chess. These two.
Thr Wriothsley burgeon (?) team makes a lot of sense. I run a team of Noelle Nahida Yelan Xiangling with a similar concept where you erase the burn aura (Noelle geo) before applying off field hydro to both Yelan Vape and make more seeds that Xiangling can burgeon. I suppose in this case, it would be Wriothsley's cryo that erases some burn beforehand for the extra vape and seeding.
As for Kitain(R5) Xiangling, 195 ish ER was great with 2 Fav mates.
no way, now i want to try this, do u think it can work with dmc and xingqiu? Assuming u dont f up putting pyro to dendro mc burst.
@@marcelusjarabe4057dmc and xq are the opposite compared to nahida and yelan, xq applies way more hydro and dmc applies way less dendro
@@marcelusjarabe4057I tried to post the vid of the original creator of the team, but it seems like pasting link killed my comment.
Basically, Xingqiu might do too much hydro app, so it would only work fluidly with Nahida's high dendro. DMC could still work well with Yelan though.
So far, I haven't seen any English community discussing the team, so if you want to see a vid with nice visuals and team showcase, I recommend copy pasting "노엘 연소증발화" (Noelle BurnMeltBurgeon) in YT.
Otherwise I could share more details myself. I do run a slightly diff rotation too.
@@mickysaif oh i didnt read the vape yelan thingy, mb. but what i wanted to ask was if the burgeon Noelle with xiangling would work without triggering burning
So long as she works with Noelle I'm happy with either version of Furina.
the real endgame
10:50 i felt that "yeah" Inside of me
Furina might be the first character to create this many situations among theorycrafters and players.. Some say she is broken , some say she is balanced , some say she is sh*t , some she is the best hydro and some say she is the best unit in the game...
I feel that people who said she was bad was people who only hand 2nd hand knowledge of what furina can do. I'm pretty sure all of that furina is bad was from before her kit got buffed. After her huge buff this people who mistook her kit being bad recieved news of how good actually she is only made them second guessing what they thought they know
Respectfully, ain’t no body saying she’s bad
She is the best unit in the game
@scarletdisaster2699 "Feelscrafting" 😂
To be fair though, you have to understand that a lot of people aren’t really into Theorycrafting. so naturally, it is normal for them to say dumb shit. feelscrafting is a thing in casual community.
She’s an alright character, even in her pre-buff state. her personal damage and hydro application at the baseline is worse than Xingqiu/Yelan but in exchange, she gives you an omega big DMG buff. she also trade off one slot for a healer (which usually don’t do any damage). so I says everything is balancing out.
its actually that meme where the two smartest dudes in the class disagree with eachother
My last two braincells waiting for the resin to refresh:
the girls are fightingggg
Okay, zajef, the food names are fine. It reminds me of Magic the Gathering. But, you explained what boy Marie is and I still don't know what it is. Its gotta be at least somewhat catchy of a name to catch on. Like fridge or or soup.
It's bain marie, and it's a way to cook food with water
It's basically cooking something delicate on top of hot water instead of directly on heat, like melting chocolate in a bowl. It's pretty common
Bain Marie is also known as double-boiler or hot water bath. If you temper chocolate or make dishes like cheesecake or creme brulee, it's a way to prevent overheating the dessert as the water cannot be hotter than 100C.
Well, if you want an easier, non french name, its hot water bath. Specifically Furina's hot bathwater
Bain-marie is the best name for the team
the way he just MATERIALIZED
There’s so much tension…. They should kiss 🫣🤭🤭
Keqing mains at 99% power
uh actually vs uh actually
xingqiu praise AGAIN I can't take it anymore
Zajef for xqsu is honestly what tenten was for xiangling
EPIC RAP BATTLES OF HISTORY
The Xingqiu making you invincible is so real that recently I was farming domains with Cyno + Xingqiu and somehow, despite being the one who spent most time on-field, he was the healthiest one out of the entire team-
Kokomi Mono Hydro is gonna be so fun 😈
REALLLL
Nice video. Also balls
i was in chat desperately begging them too talk about furinoelle wet rock
2 HOT MEN IN ONE VIDEO I WON 🎉
I know zajef is like "not this bitch again..." when he gets a call from jstern
First baby boy
I think Dehya gets relevance through Furina because of game balancing, where just as Hoyo introduced mechanical and elemental checks of enemies as well as hyper aggressive enemies like the consecrated beasts, they will also do the same with Furina's release, and that makes Dehya even more prevalent.
How would you balance the game with your characters being more sustainable through more max HP and healing? My theory is that enemiy groups released post-Furina would hit hard like Dark Souls bosses, plus new damage mechanics such as max HP percentile damage, so basically fixed % damage that is based off % of your character's max HP. It wouldn't deal a flat value but damage relative to % of max HP, so enemies hit much harder respectively, but also as a reward playstlye to give you more Fanfare stacks. Dehya pretty much halving a % of fixed% damage makes it much better for the team to survive, and is eliminates the issue with Dehya taking less HP loss from a flat Damage value received and transated.
Also, Dehya burn-vape is quite a suggestion to enable Furina to forward vape, and this without needing so much ER such as for Xiangling, and you can just maintain uptime via Sac Greatsword.
I am in expectation of what new counters we will have against us with Furina increasing the survivability and high-risk high-reward play and heightened damage of teams. I genuinely believe Fontaine would be the appropriate time to introduce enemies that do fixed percentile damage, just not on all attacks but on signature attacks like Wind/Frost Operatives with Bond of Life application.
Cope dude.
There is one thing that furina helps, and that is bringing healers relevance. Dehaya heals once every 20 seconds and only herself and only a little. Sorry....but no one in their right mind is using dehaya to bring out furinas potential.
Dehaya is becoming a decenttttttt sidegrade to some characters in some new teams like lyney mono pyro and neuvillete hyperbloom. Key focus being on decent and sidegrade cause there is always other options. But sadly....furina does not cater to dehaya whatsoever. And.....that's just that.
Im losing my shit when someone say "PVP theorycrafting"💀
The girls are fightiiiiiing
"Why are you calling me?" Lmao
i love this
"Why are you calling me?" with genuine confusion as to why jstern is.
Me vs My inner demon (that's somehow more logical)
This is giving me shounen rivalry core
the banter stresses me out but it's hilarious
Where is Father Seka when we need him the most...?
Probably still batchesting yoimiya
Seka om
Hes too busy banning childe mains...😂
Your Cooking feels a bit mild,but i guess thats personal bias to ones own cooking.
My own cooking would be
Vadouvan.
So curry but French. Furina/Dendro/Pyro/Electro
its basic idea is similar to your Bain-Marie but instead of reducing the pyro from burning with cryo you use electro to cause overloads and quicken.
and while furina doesnt up the bloom reactions dmg
it will up the personal dmg of the mostly em build units by alot given those lack elemental goblets.does need good critvalues on substats.
might only work with nahida given that you need a constant stream of dendro to withstand the electro pyro and hydro apply.
but upping her e dmg sounds Funk.
My own Team for this is weird
there are most likely better options but gotta provide an example.
my version also req. c2 furina or atleast c1 to be worthwhile,
similar i would say for other versions of this,until more fontaine units release that could be slotted into this for faster stack gains.
also dont mind my units used its just fitting to my playstyle
i just gotten so used to dehya e res and burst in this it feels like a literal Tank moving over pure Chaos when used in combo with doris burst*
Team:
nahida with dreams r1 and deepwood 4pc em/em/critdmg,
dehya beacon r1 gilded 4pc em/em/em,
furina ferryman r5 golden troupe hp%/hp%/critdmg,
dori favonius r5 gilded 4pc em/em/em.
so standard burgeon/hyperbloom builds for the electro and pyro while trying to get critvalue from substats and er% as needed.
Nahida on her generic builds will do,i just have a busted af deepwood set that outshines all my gilded sets for her in total team dps
with enough er% aswell so she doesnt need fav herself.
Same for furina where i need the critrate more from the pipe over another fav.
*Doris cons are NEEDED,without them she really isnt a useable unit but with them she really adds alot to this team,
her burst energy gain while small does add up combining it with her c4 and favonius is also a very big help
if you funnel the particles into a Swap burst cast ,the unit that bursts gets a good chunk of energy back.
and if dori is c6 her onfield teamwide healing is also very useful, my own dori currently heals for a bit above 1k per hit with furinas buff i will heal the whole team 4 times per na string for a decent amount.
her c4 also keeps dehya alive during her burst alot easier even if you facetank boss hits or groups of hard hitting enemys given that it also ups her own selfhealing.
saved my runs plenty of times when dehyas hp bar had more drama then the dehyamains subreddit during the beta.
gonna make use of that now with furinas burst to gain more dmg from it and even more healing.
by my own calculations should get i c2 furina.my c1 dehya burst will hit for about 15k per crit punch, double the amount it does now which i say for a burgeon build is nice.
should i somehow get a vape the dmg is gonna be funk given the 1k em she would have onfield. if i only get c1 it lowers to around 10-11k but still a good enough increase given the rest of the team also keeps doing dmg during her burst even better than right now without furina.
overall im in good spirits this will work,i mean i used the same setup but with nilou as the sole hydro apply and it worked out,granted i did more overburn then anything else but eh nahida likes all reactions equally.
Feel free to rip me a new bumhole if want,but ya cant change my mind i know this teams pros and cons well enough due to constant abyss usage(everything since dehya release but wenut and double cryo,hydro herald floor).
and yes i can feed dehyas burst even with the little er% my dehya has(125%) she has,
thanks to god damn dori and nahida particles so adding and feeding furina who has currently 163%+pipe effect will be cakewalk.
tf
wtf is this
bro wrote an entire essay
@@yunyun2391 bro how short are you essays?
certified nerdge moment
I love Zachef but the food related names are lame because he's trying too hard to make them a thing and they don't make as much sense as he thinks
agree w the part about trying too hard. "sautee" "pan fry" like. be serious
It doesn't have to make 100% sense, they're just funny names. Stop doing the "uhmm akshuallyy 🤓", you're being cringe.
@@achy7872no adult besides himself considers them funny, and no one knows what the fuck he's talking about
@@achy7872 You don't have to get so defensive over a stranger's opinion about your favorite content creator's funny meme. I didn't even attack him or anything. I aint letting him off easy because I like him too. Grow up and do better.
The funniest part about all of this discussion is that all of this shit is fine and the discussion of balance barely matters. Like the thinking about and discussing balance and relative strength is more interesting than actually playing any of those teams and clearing each side of abyss in about a minute.
I like the cooking names because it’s like in Magic the Gathering with shit like “CheeriOs” “Second Breakfast” etc
I hope someone will put timestamps
i hope someone mutes that guy on the right
@@firby7341funny. 😐
@@firby7341left*
@@firby7341you mean mute zajeff?
I LOVEEEEEEE clashing autism
☝️🤓
The video should have started with context as to wtf they are talking about. Is it some new leaked Furina change?
Yea she was updated with new changes 2 days ago, overall it's a buff
yeah, her stacks decreased to 300 but her damage bonus increased, you rarely get the full 450 stacks so it's literally a buff
Oh word i just started watching jstern!
you can just run sayu instead of jean to not get sunfire in dehya/furina/benny :v it isn't pretty but its possible
For me i like that fact that they reduced furinas burst cost from 70 to 60, in this way I don’t have to use favge or that festering desire weapon (which I don’t even have) on her, i can go for her signature or the bp weapon. Its a big buff
…FLUIDS ARE NOT INTERCHANGEABLE
fight fight fight , drama atlast. Streamers giving fontaine energy
It’s been 3 years and I still don’t have Jean. Feels bad
genshin doesnt have pvp because the pvp happens outside the game because of the game
Do someone knows if neuvillette's weapon is better than Lost prayer for wriothesley C0 or C1 ?
I have both and i don't really know wich one will give the most benefits
Some says it's neuvi wep and some says it's Lost prayer i'm confused. Thank you for your time.
In most cases, Lost Prayer is better
Thank you !!
@@MrSemperEaden np
Put zyox at the middle next time. Guide maker tho.
2 tc bulling guide maker about his game knowlage😂
I wonder if Neuv, Kazuha, Furina and Kuki, with Kuki built full HP for healing and Neuv self healing + Furina healing bonus buff works well...
Interesting
I mean it would probably function, but I don't really see much of a point in using Kuki here since she isn't doing anything except providing another stack for Nuev and is also really annoying to work with since her skill often won't be hitting since you want to Kite with Nuev and not be next to the enemy. I'd sooner use Yaoyao or Baizhu for the team healing for Furina stacks and easier app or maybe Charlotte. A pyro healer would be nice maybe for some additional vapes but we don't really have one, Bennet is indeed one but yeah he's not really doing anything for Nuev. Either way yeah the last slot doesn't have a great healer to fill it that contributes a lot.
@@twigz3214 Maybe Charlote will be good.
Kuki can trigger Electro Charged, you can even build her with EM instead of HP, thats more dmg than the other healers.
At 1K EM, charged should hit like 10k so its not bad, it also hits AoE and stuns enemies.
So group with Kazuha and electrocharge everything, then focus Neuv beam on the bigger enemies...
with c0/1 furina, Kuki should be enough healing to get your stacks in a Neuv Team
if you pull for c2 furina then you dont need a Healer at all in a Neuv Team, because 1 Neuv-CA caps the stacks (Kuki -> Fischl/Yae with golden troupe ig)
Dori could actually be pretty good here.She needs alot of ER but she is a very good fit here cuz a)Electro infusion will prevent the hydro from drowning out the electro application
b)She restores energy for both off them.
I’m thinking to use Neuvillette c0, jean c2, furina c0 or c1 maybe and c6 fischl I hope this team work well
Have neuvi at c1 and that's probably his best possible team
@@IDKbruh420that’s dumb. it is still one of his best team at C0. sure, you lose one stack but why does it matter ? you have enough damage in that team to clear shit anyway. beside, building a cohesive team is much more important than trying to get one more stack. you can also gains one more stack by just reacting with element that is on enemy.
@@nanathedelta8561It's more of his interruption resistance on his C1 that makes the comp much more comfy. When he's at C0, a shielder is usually recommended.
@@nanathedelta8561nah what you're saying is dumb, neuvi needs a shielder easpecially in abyss and losing 35% of his damage is huge in a hypercarry team, you can still do it since this game is easy but it won't be his best team at c0
No
C2
"boring! I mean, Why Do I even bother"
"Please refrain levity on the court this Beta is far from over"
That team of wrio wouldn't work at all. 3 enrgy hungry characters of different elements? Unless you run them all with favonius and a lot of ER but at that point would it be worth it?
Ye
Yes it would be, because Furina ain’t losing that much from a Fav, especially because she’s vaping. Xiangling’s losing a bit, but because of EM diminishing returns it’s actually not as much as you think. Baizhu’s only there for application and healing, he’s a good healer, so you can afford a bit more ER. Wriosthesley doesn’t have any ER reqs.
You can deal with their ER needs, I play teams like that quite often even energy poor scenarios (stuff like Sucrose, Yelan, Rosaria and a Xiangling… yes, it works and it’s also actually decent)
Is jstern masteroogway long lost brother?
To be extremely precise is not an object, or the word was used to describe a technique that without equipment is made by placing water into a pot over the fire then putting the food you want to cook into another pot that is placed into the water ...
what about - massive cope warning - running r5 prototype amber mona with 4pc maidens AND furina together with bennet and dehya XD
I CAN'T UNDERSTAND A DAMN THING!!!
Kovalsky, analysis!
Zajef is Sheldon and Jstern is Leonard