I would love to see how these dogs fair in working type competitions. I think if the goal is to bring back the ancient breed/style the dogs would need to be a working type.
He stated in the previous video that he did not create the dog for anything other than close quarter protection and companionship. No agility, or fun stuff.
This dog as is now would be a horrible working breed. Injuries would be inevitable. It is entirely too floppy. Looks like a morbidly obese human trying to move around. Cruel.
I wonder if they've considered adding Boerboel to the mix. It might not be as big, but it would definitely bring some genetic diversity to the breed wouldn't it? They're also not really afraid of much as far as I'm aware (except for thunder probably).
Have this dog's hips x-rayed. He is lame with limited range of motion on the rear right hip at 0:58 Would like to see more health info on these videos that highlight "extreme and exotic" breeders. Orthopedic issues, bone cancer and life expectancy would be a good start when breeding for extreme size. Some breeders on this channel are very responsible; these Bully and "extreme/exotic" breeders as they call themselves never say a single word about health testing - and theyre the ones who need it the most.
GenX Wench No he’s not you’re just hating on him I agree with many of the comments. If you are going to deliberately hate on him watch something else this is for dog lovers.
This is for dog lovers. And naturally, dog lovers are not going to settle with someone who breeds an exaggerated dog from a breed with terrible hip scores and doesn't hip test it.
i totally agree that both hind legs need proper examination and evaluation. i dont understand the dire need of huge dogs when we already have lot of mastiffs,great dane,irish wolf hound list goes on..... we have to respect the nature.
@@SAJ.GAMING there's nothing wrong with huge dogs, small dogs are much more unnatural than large ones (think wolves, coyotes, African wild dogs, all medium-large) it's the way that a lot of large dog breeders breed for excess skin, dont pay attention to hips and spines, ect. When breeding. If large dogs were more health tested and weren't bred to have all of these health deteriorating features than they would be just as healthy as small/medium dogs
Oh great more breed mythology... Anyone who has working dogs knows bigger is far from better. Besides folklore and breed mythology what type of health testing or working test were done in this "program?" Any vids that show any type of working ability or athletic ability to prove this is not a Low Energy dog with poor structure and movement? Which is typical of most of the dogs used to create this mixed breed. Taking big breeds with a laundry list of health problems due to breeding them for size and bragging about making them even bigger is actually below novice stuff. This dog has nothing to do with any ancient dogs. It a large dog created from current mastiff stock.
That's also what jumped out at me. He keeps invoking the idea that this breed is from 3200 - 5000 BC There's no way of knowing exactly what dogs used in war were like, we have some sparse pieces of art with dogs on it, that’s far from precise knowledge. He’s looking at old paintings and sculptures and making his dog feel prestigious rather than looking at what’s the closest representative (mastiffs and the like). It’s also a big red flag to me when these large dog breeders obsess over size, like living vicariously throughout their dogs. They needed "really thick torso, massive square head", to fight humans in war and have to take on lions & bears. Really? They need to get to be 250lbs to take on an animal that’s 450lbs, or 1000lbs? How do wolves, jackles, hounds take down prey, huge size or pack hunting? I’m not a dog expert by any stretch, tell me if I’m wrong but my BS meter is going off the charts with this guy.
I love this channel, but please stop promoting unhealthy dogs and bad breeders like this. This dog is oversize, unhealthy and can't even walk properly. The breeder is just breeding for exaggerations and status. This dog will never be able to have a healthy life because of this. Also, it will never be able to be used for protection work.
This is true. Zero agility or stamina. Dogs like this can only sit chained next to a stationary object to protect it. Any real work would result in orthopedic injuries and the dog choking on it's own skin and phlegm.
Hello Kitty Exactly, these dogs are just oversized Brindle Neo mastiffs, If people really want a dog that looked like the ancient Mollosus than go for a Ca Shepherd, or Great pyreness.
That dog has poor conformation - back legs are too long, and you can see this reflected in the odd way they are running. Hopefully they are targeting this when they are breeding in further lines
depends on what you like and what you desire to have in your dog I agree that the rolling gait isn't the most aesthetically pleasing but that is very much so a mastiff thing.... I much prefer personally presa Canario, cane cross, dogo Argentino for their structural soundness and working potential, this is as stated a estate guardian or close quarter guard based on size and substance like the body guards of old.... very interesting project all the same
Hips way higher than the withers and his dogs are really fat. They jiggle all over with every step which can't be good for the joints. Interesting project though
"Perhaps it's like a Liger". Please look up the genetic factors that makes Ligers as big as they are. It's not natural. It's not healthy. It has nothing to do with crossing two members of the same species. This channel has great content. I'm sure this gentleman loves those puppies -- and I have no doubt he has done a great deal of research. With that said, even wearing the most rose-colored glasses you can see the hip issues developing already. 4-6 years old max. "Anytime you introduce larger gene pools, you bring an influx of health?" -- bruh. Seriously?
Having a pup that big I just can’t imagine the strain on their hips I feel so sorry for these dogs this guy seems to have made it up as he’s gone along
Thats why the dogs get tested before breeding, in my opinion it comes down to proportions really, but they developed this dog from dogs that are normally big boned as Well as heavy And this is just the beginning of the breed and only one example of the breed its still to early to know
"Hey, we really don't have enough oversized unhealthy dogs that are also not really able to do any work and have a really short life expectancy! Let's create a new one, but make it even bigger!" Ridiculous.
The Really big and Bad dogs are extinct , i dont know too much about them , did only Minor Research But i found the alpine mastiff , something like the Grand grandfather of the st Bernaird dog, in average over 150 kg . But you cant bring them back, what this Guys and a lot of Others are doing is playing god, with no good End for the dogs 😕
@@cameroncarter1639 kind of hard to recreate something thats been dead for hundreds of years. Especially if theres no real way of knowing how they look.
You can bring something back that is extinct as long as you create it the same way it was previously created. Dogs aren’t that old of an animal to not figure resurrection out.
I feel the same he's creating a breed to resemble a extinct breed, who knows what the original was made of, just like David Leavitt old English bulldogs supposed to be the original bulldog cause he used dogs that had bulldog in them too create it, but Greg Hermes bulldog can't be a oldie even though he used dogs with bulldog in them too and Hermes bulldogs my opinion are the better of the two and not cause I have one, just saying when creating a extinct dog there's no true way to do it with out the original to start with
Mollosus was a dog which was able to run hunt etc.. Go check kangal alabai and indian mastiff (original ones). They r more like the mollosus coz they can work
The farther dogs stray from nature's idea of "canine", the more problems go along with it. This never varies. The dog pays in one way, the owner pays in other ways, the vets have to try to compensate for what no one wants to really discuss, the trainers have to tell the truth.
Large doesnt mean Good...In fact its worse than better for the dog, to be oversized. So what is this dog?? Looks like some tale story out of the moon from this guy...
yeah because it's not like they're still gigantic breeds that live the 10-17 years like Tibetan Mastiffs 12 to 15 years Central Asian Shepherd 12 to 15 years Persian Sarabii 12 to 17 years Great Danes if you're lucky 10 years noticing a pattern it's not the size that makes them unhealthy it's the backyard Breeders that royally fucked up the breed same with Rottweilers that used to be able to live up to 15 years no problem then backyard breeders fucked them up because they were breeding them for looks instead of work and if you would have looked into it you would have realized they used dogs that have good genetics so they very well could be used for work granted they're not going to be the most efficient at it because they weren't bread to have the right mindset for work but that will only take one or two generations because it genetically reverted to being a molasses instead of a mastiff so it's going to be very easy to breed in those traits like extremely dense bones human and animal aggression and if someone took a few these dogs and did that as well as work the dogs you would see these dogs living just as long as any of the others I mentioned
yeah because it's not like they're still gigantic breeds that live the 10-17 years like Tibetan Mastiffs 12 to 15 years Central Asian Shepherd 12 to 15 years Persian Sarabi 12 to 17 years Great Danes if you're lucky 10 years noticing a pattern it's not the size that makes them unhealthy it's the backyard Breeders that royally fucked up the breed same with Rottweilers that used to be able to live up to 15 years no problem then backyard breeders fucked them up because they were breeding them for looks instead of work and if you would have looked into it you would have realized they used dogs that have good genetics so they very well could be used for work granted they're not going to be the most efficient at it because they weren't bread to have the right mindset for work but that will only take one or two generations because it genetically reverted to being a molasses instead of a mastiff so it's going to be very easy to breed in those traits like extremely dense bones human and animal aggression and if someone took a few these dogs and did that as well as work the dogs you would see these dogs living just as long as any of the others I mentioned
@@FBFTheRagingWarrior no let me tell you what you're a fucking idiot for thinking I didn't generalize because when I said backyard breeders I meant people that breed the dogs but do not work those dogs and purposely breed away from the standard and no it's really not showing is not that big of a thing compared to Backyard breeding seriously just look up rottweiler for sale in Michigan or Illinois and you'll find an abundance of genetic clusterfucks but at least in the show ring they somewhat resemble what they're supposed to look like so I really don't get what you're trying to say
CAO that live 17 years definitely won't be some fat, over-bred western monstrosity like these dogs. Real CAO are light, agile and sound dogs, as with all ancient molossers.
Trust look at the dogs that can actually fend off wolves n mountian lions.its like saying a great dane can kill a wolf just because its big.they need education
Disliking the video, simply because you don't like the dog is stupid. The brotha puts in a lot of work to bring people this content. Regardless of what your feelings on this dog are, Zeke brings people great content that you can't find anywhere else. The dog ain't my thing, but the video was dope and interesting. Respect
Poteluz Mastiffs are like that the weight is too much for the bones and the breed is like that in general but this is a first try and if Neopolitan Mastiffs can survive then the dog will too
Its a bit to big needs more muscle this dog wont be able to fend off mountain lions etc.its way too thick.look at the kangal thats what a guardian looks like look at the central asian shepherd also plus this dog will run away from the animal doubt they tested em with mountain lions n shit they needa train the mind plus beinga guardian dog its all about instinct this dog wont have that as its a mix breed those insticts come from older breeds but its cool that he re created it tho but the sad truth we will nevee get the original like molosues it may look similar but it wont either be the same but might aswell try create something alike
This man says “the last thing we want to do is promote something unhealthy” and yet blatantly ignores the obvious problems this breed already shows. These dogs don’t deserve a poor life just because he wants to look cool.
@@cameroncarter1639 Which they failed miserably at lmfaoo These dogs look nothing like any traditional working/ livestock guardian breed, they’re just mutts created by crossing English/Neapolitan mastiff
@@cameroncarter1639 if he was truly about resurrection he’d have used dogs much closer to the ancient mollosus which are also extremely healthy and functional. The Malakli, Pshdar dog, Kurdish Mastiff, Sarabi, Volkadav & Bully Kutta all are much closer to the ancient mollosus
@@emersone6904 okay… 1) that’s nothing to do with this discussion & 2) How do you know that for sure? I’m sure the dog would be even happier if he could see, breathe & move properly, and not have excessive skin and weight because some bloke likes it. All of those things lead to severe health problems, nothing ethical about it
All I can say is this grieves me greatly that they would create such a dog that is bound to suffer in a short period of time with a myriad of health issues. Poor animal. This man is clinically insane!
I love mastiff breeds but I'm sorry, this dog looks very unhealthy. Back legs are too long (thus walks funny) and he looks obese. Keep them lean. That's always better for the dog. Go for health, not weight.
Damn. i lived down the street from this guy about 2 years ago and i would walk my dogos and bandogs by his house everyday. His dogs are really impressive. I would love to see what this dog looks like in person. Keep on keepin on
Take a look at this guy's website. Puppy mill if ever I saw it. $5000 for a stud fee, $5450 for a puppy that is nothing but a Neo x English mastiff mongrel with not a single word of health testing. Lots of dogs, all but two are 0-2 years old, not one older than 4 years old. You can order a puppy by putting a deposit straight on the website. Six litters in six months. Absolutely disgraceful practice, should be illegal.
These pups are absolute butterballs, good god. I also find it comical how this is supposed to be a healthy functional mastiff breed when pretty much all the foundation dogs he's used so far are fat, sway backed, and extremely weak in the rear
Is a liger healthier than a lion and a tiger? Comparing a cross between 2 species to a cross between 2 breeds of the same specie doesn't inspire confidence on the information being presented.
Plus, in this situation, the guy picked the biggest dogs he found to make that cross... So its like finding the most criple huge lion and tiger than making a liger
I have a big dog and I LOVE big dogs. This is a little excessive. I can't imagine this dog living more than 6,7 years. I can imagine its knees already popping and creaking when he stands up. The highly probable health issues outweigh having a big dog. Lastly, He's a mutt, not an "ancient" breed. You can try but you will never truly be able to recreate them.
This is beyond selfish. There are so many dogs in shelters that need loving homes, and this guy wants to resurrect an old breed? If you love large mastiff types, start an animal rescue and pull these dogs out of shelters. Advocate for adoption.
Base on mastiff breed studies I can't imagen how this dogs hips, elbows will be like in a year or 2. Poor dog. As its mastiffs have a long list of issues. Mixing them won't make them disappear. Smh.... poor ethics.
If you've seen real Molossus dogs in paintings and statues... They look nothing like this. THEY look healthy and workable... This looks like... Like... Gross.
with 9 months that dog have less energy than a 12 years old mastiff kind dog.. so, he talks about guard dogs, I can tire this dog just by running for 2 minutes.... loyal dogs? all breeds MUST be loyal dogs... company dog? This dog looks more like a big vet bills on the long run. This is not healthy breeding, just mixing breeds for size. Nothing else, just size is all I see.
Yes they where big and mean but they wheren't even near to being so heavy and useless just look at the Neapoletan Mastiff (It's original form was more like a Cane Corso) not a big fat dog that barely can walk..and you people are dog experts? Look at today's poor English Mastiff ...the old real English mastiff wasn't so heavy and slow .. they where mastiffs but working mastiffa not just for show ,like the Dogue du Bordeaux ..
You think he says "ward off, not necessarily attack", because there is no chance a dog this unfit could handle any sort of bite work, or work in general.
i have been trying to find out of any dogs could beat the american pit bull in a dog fight. just out of curiosity. the opinions are all over the place, i refuse to watch actual dog fights. so far it sounds like a few breeds like the doggo aregento and cane corso might be as good or a little better than the APBT. i kind of dislike pitbulls and would love for other breeds of dogs to be able to kill them in a fight
I am just concerned of his health and life expectancy. You get a dog you love them to dead they are family. But not many breeds at this size last long. I hope the puppy’s do well. Not a fan of breeding experiments.
I actually enjoy this breed and it IS functional if in shred weight. Like a fortress of a dog, but by no means is this the healthy Molossus of Epirus that is still an alive breed, it is not extinct, it was just labeled extinct.
This dog is young and already looks like it has hip problems. The key to having a big dog is breeding for the right reasons. Those being health, conformation and temperament. I am a Presa Canario owner and my boy is amazing however due to poor breeding (didn't know when bought him) he was diagnosed with elbow and hip dysplasia and now his 3 years it's starting to show. We keep him lean and work him little by little and hydro. Breeding for an overweight dog is wrong. Why people do this as us owners whom love the bigger breeds also feel their pain.
This man is so full of himself. Thinking he resurrected an ancient breed by mixing a neapolitan and english mastiff. Creating unhealthy dogs that will suffer as they get older. I had a cane corso who's bloodline was bred to produce larger specimens. He got around 185 pounds and him aging and getting sick was the most heart breaking thing I ever watched. Their legs and hearts give out. Stop breeding for size! I have not seen one positive comment on this guys videos. No respect!
Everyone hatin on the guy and his dog While he was explaining how passionate he is about his dogs and how he loves them While the dog happily hops on grass.
Amazing how... all of the comments from people who criticize think they are geneticists..,, pros they are.. having such impressive knowledge...that they got from google or just made up...
Damn...some of you guys are really goin in on dude. It's not like he's trying to recreate the Neo into something different. The way I see it is he's trying to bring back the Molosser of old. It's a first gen breeding...your not going to hit a grand slam right out the gate. It takes time and years before the envisioned breed type can be achieved. It's not like there is a specimen floating around to work off of! lol If all breeders lacked vision and courage to create new or resurrect old breeds, we'd have 5 types of pure breeds period running around the world.
The Bopper , Zero need for the war dogs of ancient times..(.let's bring back the mastodon!) that was a time of close quarter combat, a lot less gun powder, less advanced weaponry, etc. the species has evolved, there's already fine, defense driven canines available. What happens to all the experimented, suffering litters already produced?
I love this channel cause it shows different breeds and their stories but I HATE showing dogs..its so unnecessary..why not just show people playing with their dogs..breeding dogs focusing on specific features just hurts the breed..and dont say its “for the dog”..showing dogs its purely for the human ego..look what this asshole has done. This dog is UNHEALTHY.
Should be more fuctional like actual working mastiffs....one of Zekes earlier videos featured a English Mastiff that was in great shape, able to run around and jump.
Bart Vandenhaute comparing English Mastiffs to American Molosasus is like comparing Olympians to chronically obese people suffering from type 2 diabetes
He made a comparison to a liger... Dude that’s one of the worst comparisons. A liger is so big it can’t hunt and it’s unhealthy. If you’re willing to spend money for this dog which is supposed to be a guard dog then you’re absolutely wasting.
It is fine to want to create a new dog breed. However all this about ancient dog breeds mentioned in the video are purely speculative and circumstantial. This is a bandog. And it is heavily influenced by two breeds. English Mastiff and Neo. Probably it is a cross only by these two and no other breed. Finding healthy lines in these breeds is very hard. And they are lines of smaller animals. Not huge. A healthy cross between them is almost impossible. And health is not just about hips and elbows, especially when you have English Mastiff blood in. And unlike what is said on the video there is money involved. Charging 5k stud fee proves that. So at least let's try to be honest and accurate. In conclusion, thumbs up for trying to create a new breed, no problem for me if it falls in the bandog category, thumbs down for not trying to produce healthy animals. As for money involved, that is the policy of each breeder but at least let's be honest.
Resurrected" lol. Please. Does not even look nothing like the real Molossus. Just look at the ancient painting and sculptures. All this guy did really was just made a fatter Neo. Thats all. Short guy with a big dream.
Ligers tends to be VERY UNHEALTHY AND MENTALLY CHALLENGED DUE TO CROSS BREEDING, poor dog would be lucky to live 3 years looks like it's in pain, very high back end smh
One litter of mixed breed puppies doesn’t make a new breed. He simply has a cross breed or hybrid dog. You only have achieved a new breed when those dogs can mate with each other and produce litters that exhibit the breed characteristics. For example, breeding two Yorkiepoos doesn’t produce a Litter of Yorkiepoos.
Ancient Molossus may have disappeared after the fall of Rome. Either die at war or owners could not keep up with them do to economy and cross breeding. Even today no conclusive prove tell us what the original Molossus may have look like. After the 1300 Neapolitans and Corsos where choose to be the closest comparison to that beautiful ancient puppy. 🙏
Im not a great expert. But i like dogs and know a thing or two about them. This dog seem to run odly. I dont think he is gonna be healthy on the long run (hope im wrong) Im very wary about this whole thing. Its not an old breed. Its some Dude wanting a huge dog and crossing modern mastiff...
Man congratulations on bringing the Brie back so many people up here knocking the dog so damn shame I own a American Bulldog which weighs 150 lb very athletic would love to know how I get my hands on one of these guys on the East Coast I live in Virginia Beach area of Virginia. Can continue doing what you're doing and best of luck
Dear Marcus, you are only at F1, this is only the very first step in creating a breed. You will have to work at least 25 years to fix characters, so don't boast anything ok? You have nothing else than a F1, you do not have any breed but just a mix as yet.
I understand what they’re trying to do and I know they’re not bad people but this is not a healthy breed at all. Far too large and so many health problems. Labs have hip problems and they’re five times smaller than this breed.
When he throws out there that Ligers are healthier than Tigers, he lost any sort of credibility. Ligers are known for having tons of health problems. These dogs will likely be the same. Let them grow a bit older and once those bones have to carry that weight for a few years, lets look at the dogs again.
think about it- if you were to take a human as a pet in place of a dog "in order to guard your house and ward off predators"- would you prefer a tall, lean and muscular human or a fat and flabby one?
What breeds did you use as foundation? I am a fan of molosser breeds and I love this dog, but skin should be tighter, front legs shouldn't be shorter, I think it's hindering his movement.
These dogs are not breed to run or have the best gate. They are breed to stand their ground and fight off whatever beast gets in-between him and his humans. So I believe this was the man's vision
Jason Miller what purpose would it serve to create a breed that can't even move properly🤔 he falls forward with a jerk while moving, look closely, he cant even handle his body, this dog has limited functionality
always thought english mastiff was the largest breed ,past a few of those no matter how much money you invest to buy the best gene , their life is short and they all end up sadly
Lovely features but the potential vet bill scares me. While I got caught up in size and markings I'm still considering the Malinois for overall health and agility.
I would love to see how these dogs fair in working type competitions. I think if the goal is to bring back the ancient breed/style the dogs would need to be a working type.
Katherine Noble They would drop dead of a heart attack
He stated in the previous video that he did not create the dog for anything other than close quarter protection and companionship. No agility, or fun stuff.
It would be cool to see them pulling weight for real
This dog as is now would be a horrible working breed. Injuries would be inevitable. It is entirely too floppy. Looks like a morbidly obese human trying to move around. Cruel.
@@piplyf what work does an English Mastiff do?
I wonder if they've considered adding Boerboel to the mix. It might not be as big, but it would definitely bring some genetic diversity to the breed wouldn't it? They're also not really afraid of much as far as I'm aware (except for thunder probably).
Have this dog's hips x-rayed. He is lame with limited range of motion on the rear right hip at 0:58 Would like to see more health info on these videos that highlight "extreme and exotic" breeders. Orthopedic issues, bone cancer and life expectancy would be a good start when breeding for extreme size. Some breeders on this channel are very responsible; these Bully and "extreme/exotic" breeders as they call themselves never say a single word about health testing - and theyre the ones who need it the most.
GenX Wench No he’s not you’re just hating on him I agree with many of the comments. If you are going to deliberately hate on him watch something else this is for dog lovers.
This is for dog lovers. And naturally, dog lovers are not going to settle with someone who breeds an exaggerated dog from a breed with terrible hip scores and doesn't hip test it.
i totally agree that both hind legs need proper examination and evaluation.
i dont understand the dire need of huge dogs when we already have lot of mastiffs,great dane,irish wolf hound list goes on.....
we have to respect the nature.
@@SAJ.GAMING there's nothing wrong with huge dogs, small dogs are much more unnatural than large ones (think wolves, coyotes, African wild dogs, all medium-large) it's the way that a lot of large dog breeders breed for excess skin, dont pay attention to hips and spines, ect. When breeding. If large dogs were more health tested and weren't bred to have all of these health deteriorating features than they would be just as healthy as small/medium dogs
@@SAJ.GAMING respect nature??? If we "respected nature" we wouldnt have dogs, we'd have wolves
Oh great more breed mythology... Anyone who has working dogs knows bigger is far from better.
Besides folklore and breed mythology what type of health testing or working test were done in this "program?"
Any vids that show any type of working ability or athletic ability to prove this is not a Low Energy dog with poor structure and movement? Which is typical of most of the dogs used to create this mixed breed.
Taking big breeds with a laundry list of health problems due to breeding them for size and bragging about making them even bigger is actually below novice stuff.
This dog has nothing to do with any ancient dogs. It a large dog created from current mastiff stock.
That's also what jumped out at me. He keeps invoking the idea that this breed is from 3200 - 5000 BC There's no way of knowing exactly what dogs used in war were like, we have some sparse pieces of art with dogs on it, that’s far from precise knowledge. He’s looking at old paintings and sculptures and making his dog feel prestigious rather than looking at what’s the closest representative (mastiffs and the like).
It’s also a big red flag to me when these large dog breeders obsess over size, like living vicariously throughout their dogs. They needed
"really thick torso, massive square head", to fight humans in war and have to take on lions & bears. Really? They need to get to be 250lbs to take on an animal that’s 450lbs, or 1000lbs? How do wolves, jackles, hounds take down prey, huge size or pack hunting?
I’m not a dog expert by any stretch, tell me if I’m wrong but my BS meter is going off the charts with this guy.
I love this channel, but please stop promoting unhealthy dogs and bad breeders like this. This dog is oversize, unhealthy and can't even walk properly. The breeder is just breeding for exaggerations and status. This dog will never be able to have a healthy life because of this. Also, it will never be able to be used for protection work.
This is true. Zero agility or stamina. Dogs like this can only sit chained next to a stationary object to protect it. Any real work would result in orthopedic injuries and the dog choking on it's own skin and phlegm.
Hello Kitty Exactly, these dogs are just oversized Brindle Neo mastiffs, If people really want a dog that looked like the ancient Mollosus than go for a Ca Shepherd, or Great pyreness.
Why with all the hate? Get a life
Stop all the unnecessary hating
That dog looks very unhealthy. Stop breeding.
That dog has poor conformation - back legs are too long, and you can see this reflected in the odd way they are running. Hopefully they are targeting this when they are breeding in further lines
It almost flips over with every step
depends on what you like and what you desire to have in your dog I agree that the rolling gait isn't the most aesthetically pleasing but that is very much so a mastiff thing.... I much prefer personally presa Canario, cane cross, dogo Argentino for their structural soundness and working potential, this is as stated a estate guardian or close quarter guard based on size and substance like the body guards of old.... very interesting project all the same
A Presa back leg is long
Hips way higher than the withers and his dogs are really fat. They jiggle all over with every step which can't be good for the joints. Interesting project though
Yup!!!this guys doesn't care.....even in his old videos u can see some deformities in his dog breed
"Perhaps it's like a Liger". Please look up the genetic factors that makes Ligers as big as they are. It's not natural. It's not healthy. It has nothing to do with crossing two members of the same species. This channel has great content. I'm sure this gentleman loves those puppies -- and I have no doubt he has done a great deal of research. With that said, even wearing the most rose-colored glasses you can see the hip issues developing already. 4-6 years old max. "Anytime you introduce larger gene pools, you bring an influx of health?" -- bruh. Seriously?
Stephen Stanton well said.
Im 16 barely done that much research and know soooooo much more than him.i actually make him look dumb asf
@ hes right tho
No domestic dog is natural they all hail from selective breeding, lions and tigers are a different story
There actually a breed. It's not a new.breed of dog
Looks like a presa mixed with neopolitan
Kelvin Rodriguez Jr it is an english mastiff mixed with a neapolitan
Presa canarios are a bit smaller
Fila that's how it got the longer legs
@@andrepowell3809 there is no fila in this dog that would make no sense
@@joshmiranda7493 so why the higher hindquarters. I never seen a neo with that. Elaborate?
Having a pup that big I just can’t imagine the strain on their hips I feel so sorry for these dogs this guy seems to have made it up as he’s gone along
Thats why the dogs get tested before breeding, in my opinion it comes down to proportions really, but they developed this dog from dogs that are normally big boned as Well as heavy And this is just the beginning of the breed and only one example of the breed its still to early to know
"Hey, we really don't have enough oversized unhealthy dogs that are also not really able to do any work and have a really short life expectancy! Let's create a new one, but make it even bigger!"
Ridiculous.
Rice Pudding true as fuck, good for you brow, you are smarter than most of the dumbfucks out here, they just dont get it.
It can't even run...
Is that from feeding it kibble or raw food? a raw-fed dog will be much healthier than one that's fed dry food from a bag
RZPhotoandVideo that has nothing to do with food... Its all about genetics
The Really big and Bad dogs are extinct , i dont know too much about them , did only Minor Research But i found the alpine mastiff , something like the Grand grandfather of the st Bernaird dog, in average over 150 kg . But you cant bring them back, what this Guys and a lot of Others are doing is playing god, with no good End for the dogs 😕
This is a creation. You can’t bring something back that is extinct. There’s nothing wrong with saying it’s a new breed.
It’s not a new breed it’s a recreation
@@cameroncarter1639 kind of hard to recreate something thats been dead for hundreds of years. Especially if theres no real way of knowing how they look.
@@jaheimmaduro5897 trust me this is as close as it’ll get. We’ve had enough description of the breed and real mastiff men just know.
You can bring something back that is extinct as long as you create it the same way it was previously created. Dogs aren’t that old of an animal to not figure resurrection out.
I feel the same he's creating a breed to resemble a extinct breed, who knows what the original was made of, just like David Leavitt old English bulldogs supposed to be the original bulldog cause he used dogs that had bulldog in them too create it, but Greg Hermes bulldog can't be a oldie even though he used dogs with bulldog in them too and Hermes bulldogs my opinion are the better of the two and not cause I have one, just saying when creating a extinct dog there's no true way to do it with out the original to start with
Mollosus was a dog which was able to run hunt etc..
Go check kangal alabai and indian mastiff (original ones). They r more like the mollosus coz they can work
Indeed
Dis AMERICAN mollosus. Cheeseburgers and all.
@@snorelax3908 yes
This dog wouldnt fair at all in working or fighting. Back in the Day i reckon they weighed less or were longer
Cane Corsos are the closest to Mollosus. Neapolitan mastiffs too but the way they are bred is horrible nowadays and they can't even run normally
The farther dogs stray from nature's idea of "canine", the more problems go along with it. This never varies. The dog pays in one way, the owner pays in other ways, the vets have to try to compensate for what no one wants to really discuss, the trainers have to tell the truth.
Need to add a greyhound
What are the OFA and PENN hip ratings of the sires and dams?
Breeding for size and not mentioning breeding for health and quality scares me
Large doesnt mean Good...In fact its worse than better for the dog, to be oversized.
So what is this dog?? Looks like some tale story out of the moon from this guy...
Hes a guard he will wait for u so larger is better because he's like groot 😂
@@benjaminpaz3526 i can have a rottweiler guard my dog just as good as this dog but my rottie wont cost me no where near as this dog
Mr. Harambe true
Too fast growth is bad. It hurts. It creates health problems. This dog may live 6-8 years. People suck.
Laura DeMarrais They'll adapt
manansis86 no they don’t. That’s why they don’t live very long
Yep there is a reason tibetan mastiff takes years to grow
yeah because it's not like they're still gigantic breeds that live the 10-17 years like Tibetan Mastiffs 12 to 15 years Central Asian Shepherd 12 to 15 years Persian Sarabii 12 to 17 years Great Danes if you're lucky 10 years noticing a pattern it's not the size that makes them unhealthy it's the backyard Breeders that royally fucked up the breed same with Rottweilers that used to be able to live up to 15 years no problem then backyard breeders fucked them up because they were breeding them for looks instead of work and if you would have looked into it you would have realized they used dogs that have good genetics so they very well could be used for work granted they're not going to be the most efficient at it because they weren't bread to have the right mindset for work but that will only take one or two generations because it genetically reverted to being a molasses instead of a mastiff so it's going to be very easy to breed in those traits like extremely dense bones human and animal aggression and if someone took a few these dogs and did that as well as work the dogs you would see these dogs living just as long as any of the others I mentioned
@apocratos I'm dead😂
He is one delusional man.
yeah because it's not like they're still gigantic breeds that live the 10-17 years like Tibetan Mastiffs 12 to 15 years Central Asian Shepherd 12 to 15 years Persian Sarabi 12 to 17 years Great Danes if you're lucky 10 years noticing a pattern it's not the size that makes them unhealthy it's the backyard Breeders that royally fucked up the breed same with Rottweilers that used to be able to live up to 15 years no problem then backyard breeders fucked them up because they were breeding them for looks instead of work and if you would have looked into it you would have realized they used dogs that have good genetics so they very well could be used for work granted they're not going to be the most efficient at it because they weren't bread to have the right mindset for work but that will only take one or two generations because it genetically reverted to being a molasses instead of a mastiff so it's going to be very easy to breed in those traits like extremely dense bones human and animal aggression and if someone took a few these dogs and did that as well as work the dogs you would see these dogs living just as long as any of the others I mentioned
@@zander3696 Im sorry but what ruins a breed the most is breeding for showing. Let me tell you show people dont breed for work.
@@FBFTheRagingWarrior no let me tell you what you're a fucking idiot for thinking I didn't generalize because when I said backyard breeders I meant people that breed the dogs but do not work those dogs and purposely breed away from the standard and no it's really not showing is not that big of a thing compared to Backyard breeding seriously just look up rottweiler for sale in Michigan or Illinois and you'll find an abundance of genetic clusterfucks but at least in the show ring they somewhat resemble what they're supposed to look like so I really don't get what you're trying to say
CAO that live 17 years definitely won't be some fat, over-bred western monstrosity like these dogs. Real CAO are light, agile and sound dogs, as with all ancient molossers.
Nicholas Zoppa
Yep my thoughts exactly the whole time I’m hearing this you hit the nail on the head sir!!!!!!!🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Dogs in ancients times had to earn their keep, this poor dog can hardly even walk, let alone guard or protect you from anything, shame on you man.
Shut the fuck up
@@MisfitRecords go get your opioids first
Trust look at the dogs that can actually fend off wolves n mountian lions.its like saying a great dane can kill a wolf just because its big.they need education
Looks healthy to me, maybe a few pounds to lose but pretty much in good health
EvoJigger get help for your autophobia champ. It’s ok to be quiet and not just talk or type for the sake of it. Nothing wrong with that dog.
Disliking the video, simply because you don't like the dog is stupid. The brotha puts in a lot of work to bring people this content. Regardless of what your feelings on this dog are, Zeke brings people great content that you can't find anywhere else. The dog ain't my thing, but the video was dope and interesting.
Respect
Something doesn't look right and it's way too overweight, joints are going to be destroyed in a year or two.
Poteluz Mastiffs are like that the weight is too much for the bones and the breed is like that in general but this is a first try and if Neopolitan Mastiffs can survive then the dog will too
Not necessarily most mastiff haves heavy bones
@@vichoaguayo6242 noo this isnt like the neopolitian its an whole diff breed dog is to big.most likely will die really soon so sad
@@vichoaguayo6242 but then again you cant say what will happen rn just wait and see hope it goes well.
Its a bit to big needs more muscle this dog wont be able to fend off mountain lions etc.its way too thick.look at the kangal thats what a guardian looks like look at the central asian shepherd also plus this dog will run away from the animal doubt they tested em with mountain lions n shit they needa train the mind plus beinga guardian dog its all about instinct this dog wont have that as its a mix breed those insticts come from older breeds but its cool that he re created it tho but the sad truth we will nevee get the original like molosues it may look similar but it wont either be the same but might aswell try create something alike
This man says “the last thing we want to do is promote something unhealthy” and yet blatantly ignores the obvious problems this breed already shows. These dogs don’t deserve a poor life just because he wants to look cool.
That is not the goal. The goal is resurrection.
@@cameroncarter1639 Which they failed miserably at lmfaoo
These dogs look nothing like any traditional working/ livestock guardian breed, they’re just mutts created by crossing English/Neapolitan mastiff
@@cameroncarter1639 if he was truly about resurrection he’d have used dogs much closer to the ancient mollosus which are also extremely healthy and functional. The Malakli, Pshdar dog, Kurdish Mastiff, Sarabi, Volkadav & Bully Kutta all are much closer to the ancient mollosus
@@GiantsBeauceronsRugby you know who’s happy the dog
@@emersone6904 okay… 1) that’s nothing to do with this discussion
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2) How do you know that for sure? I’m sure the dog would be even happier if he could see, breathe & move properly, and not have excessive skin and weight because some bloke likes it. All of those things lead to severe health problems, nothing ethical about it
The Liger is Not a healthy animal, might wanna find a different comparison.
What kind of work can this dog do besides eat?
All I can say is this grieves me greatly that they would create such a dog that is bound to suffer in a short period of time with a myriad of health issues. Poor animal. This man is clinically insane!
I love mastiff breeds but I'm sorry, this dog looks very unhealthy. Back legs are too long (thus walks funny) and he looks obese. Keep them lean. That's always better for the dog. Go for health, not weight.
More like waaaayyyyyy too much skin... and yes bad confirmation and unhealthy 100%
Heads up these comments are savage and true.
You actually have me scared to read
Damn. i lived down the street from this guy about 2 years ago and i would walk my dogos and bandogs by his house everyday. His dogs are really impressive. I would love to see what this dog looks like in person. Keep on keepin on
Take a look at this guy's website. Puppy mill if ever I saw it.
$5000 for a stud fee, $5450 for a puppy that is nothing but a Neo x English mastiff mongrel with not a single word of health testing.
Lots of dogs, all but two are 0-2 years old, not one older than 4 years old.
You can order a puppy by putting a deposit straight on the website.
Six litters in six months.
Absolutely disgraceful practice, should be illegal.
These pups are absolute butterballs, good god. I also find it comical how this is supposed to be a healthy functional mastiff breed when pretty much all the foundation dogs he's used so far are fat, sway backed, and extremely weak in the rear
Is a liger healthier than a lion and a tiger? Comparing a cross between 2 species to a cross between 2 breeds of the same specie doesn't inspire confidence on the information being presented.
Anderson The you can't compare felines to dogs...dogs benefit from cross breeding
..in fact dogs are the most easily crossbred animals there are.
Lol i laughed so hard at this, youre so fuckn right hahahha
+R - Dogs are dogs, the same specie and lions and tigers are different species not breeds.
Anderson The, you are correct
A dog and wolf are even the same where a lion and tiger are not.
Plus, in this situation, the guy picked the biggest dogs he found to make that cross... So its like finding the most criple huge lion and tiger than making a liger
I have a big dog and I LOVE big dogs.
This is a little excessive. I can't imagine this dog living more than 6,7 years. I can imagine its knees already popping and creaking when he stands up. The highly probable health issues outweigh having a big dog.
Lastly, He's a mutt, not an "ancient" breed. You can try but you will never truly be able to recreate them.
Not 6-7... 4-6 at most.
The moment I saw that dog I thought "oh oh, Neapolitan mastiff mix, not functional, it moves awkwardly..." Sad. Most people in the comments are right
This is beyond selfish. There are so many dogs in shelters that need loving homes, and this guy wants to resurrect an old breed? If you love large mastiff types, start an animal rescue and pull these dogs out of shelters. Advocate for adoption.
Base on mastiff breed studies I can't imagen how this dogs hips, elbows will be like in a year or 2. Poor dog. As its mastiffs have a long list of issues. Mixing them won't make them disappear. Smh.... poor ethics.
This dog will probably have a very short life span though.
They have really bad structure :(
It runs so uncomfortably
Cause it's fat
poor breeding looks like a very unhealthy dog no more than 5 years life expectancy could be expected because of their size
Richard Ramdin Maybe 7 years if he's lucky.
If you've seen real Molossus dogs in paintings and statues... They look nothing like this. THEY look healthy and workable... This looks like... Like... Gross.
Terrible breeding
with 9 months that dog have less energy than a 12 years old mastiff kind dog..
so, he talks about guard dogs, I can tire this dog just by running for 2 minutes....
loyal dogs? all breeds MUST be loyal dogs...
company dog? This dog looks more like a big vet bills on the long run.
This is not healthy breeding, just mixing breeds for size. Nothing else, just size is all I see.
Should of called that dog wobble
The best mastiff mix by far is the South African boerbul x Japanese Tosa. It just clicks better.
Yes they where big and mean but they wheren't even near to being so heavy and useless just look at the Neapoletan Mastiff (It's original form was more like a Cane Corso) not a big fat dog that barely can walk..and you people are dog experts? Look at today's poor English Mastiff ...the old real English mastiff wasn't so heavy and slow .. they where mastiffs but working mastiffa not just for show ,like the Dogue du Bordeaux ..
You think he says "ward off, not necessarily attack", because there is no chance a dog this unfit could handle any sort of bite work, or work in general.
The funny thing is Molossus of Epirus is still around and that is the dog he is talking about. Lmao
i have been trying to find out of any dogs could beat the american pit bull in a dog fight. just out of curiosity. the opinions are all over the place, i refuse to watch actual dog fights. so far it sounds like a few breeds like the doggo aregento and cane corso might be as good or a little better than the APBT. i kind of dislike pitbulls and would love for other breeds of dogs to be able to kill them in a fight
@@craigstevens9351 why do you dislike them they are very nice dogs
@@craigstevens9351 they are good dog just raise em right
Nice, but I'm getting a cane Corso,180lbs @10 months,I'm cool,to big to quick, it just looks like a brindle neo mastiff
What a mess !!!
I am just concerned of his health and life expectancy. You get a dog you love them to dead they are family. But not many breeds at this size last long. I hope the puppy’s do well. Not a fan of breeding experiments.
I actually enjoy this breed and it IS functional if in shred weight. Like a fortress of a dog, but by no means is this the healthy Molossus of Epirus that is still an alive breed, it is not extinct, it was just labeled extinct.
It's a canine version of my 600 pound life cruel and pointless
That dog dont look right! #period!
These dogs look like a mess, a saggy, overweight mess.
Ummmm...there are no mountain lions in the old world. Just sayin’.
This dog is young and already looks like it has hip problems. The key to having a big dog is breeding for the right reasons. Those being health, conformation and temperament. I am a Presa Canario owner and my boy is amazing however due to poor breeding (didn't know when bought him) he was diagnosed with elbow and hip dysplasia and now his 3 years it's starting to show. We keep him lean and work him little by little and hydro. Breeding for an overweight dog is wrong. Why people do this as us owners whom love the bigger breeds also feel their pain.
This man is so full of himself. Thinking he resurrected an ancient breed by mixing a neapolitan and english mastiff. Creating unhealthy dogs that will suffer as they get older. I had a cane corso who's bloodline was bred to produce larger specimens. He got around 185 pounds and him aging and getting sick was the most heart breaking thing I ever watched. Their legs and hearts give out. Stop breeding for size! I have not seen one positive comment on this guys videos. No respect!
Exactly. Totally unethical.
Everyone hatin on the guy and his dog
While he was explaining how passionate he is about his dogs and how he loves them
While the dog happily hops on grass.
Only fools will buy this type of dog. Can barely walk. Walking vet Bill.
hope their legs, joints and stuff will be able to carry...
kinda sceptical about this dude
I really don’t see the purpose in this
Amazing how... all of the comments from people who criticize think they are geneticists..,, pros they are.. having such impressive knowledge...that they got from google or just made up...
Damn...some of you guys are really goin in on dude. It's not like he's trying to recreate the Neo into something different. The way I see it is he's trying to bring back the Molosser of old. It's a first gen breeding...your not going to hit a grand slam right out the gate. It takes time and years before the envisioned breed type can be achieved. It's not like there is a specimen floating around to work off of! lol If all breeders lacked vision and courage to create new or resurrect old breeds, we'd have 5 types of pure breeds period running around the world.
The Bopper , Zero need for the war dogs of ancient times..(.let's bring back the mastodon!) that was a time of close quarter combat, a lot less gun powder, less advanced weaponry, etc. the species has evolved, there's already fine, defense driven canines available. What happens to all the experimented, suffering litters already produced?
Agreed. Stop hating on this dude. He's obviously dedicated to what he's trying to do. If it ain't your thing, move on.
It’s a Neapolitan mastiff mix with the English mastiff big deal
The big deal is that it's selective breeding you know the same type of breeding that made wolf's into dogs from killers to poodles and chihuahuas 😅
This is the definition of hating. Lol
I love this channel cause it shows different breeds and their stories but I HATE showing dogs..its so unnecessary..why not just show people playing with their dogs..breeding dogs focusing on specific features just hurts the breed..and dont say its “for the dog”..showing dogs its purely for the human ego..look what this asshole has done. This dog is UNHEALTHY.
Should be more fuctional like actual working mastiffs....one of Zekes earlier videos featured a English Mastiff that was in great shape, able to run around and jump.
Kevin Canchola Exactly. English Mastiffs have their own problems but are in much better shape.
English Mastiffs are pathetic excuses of what they were...
Agreed but so is this "American mollasus"
Bart Vandenhaute comparing English Mastiffs to American Molosasus is like comparing Olympians to chronically obese people suffering from type 2 diabetes
He made a comparison to a liger... Dude that’s one of the worst comparisons. A liger is so big it can’t hunt and it’s unhealthy. If you’re willing to spend money for this dog which is supposed to be a guard dog then you’re absolutely wasting.
It is fine to want to create a new dog breed. However all this about ancient dog breeds mentioned in the video are purely speculative and circumstantial. This is a bandog. And it is heavily influenced by two breeds. English Mastiff and Neo. Probably it is a cross only by these two and no other breed. Finding healthy lines in these breeds is very hard. And they are lines of smaller animals. Not huge. A healthy cross between them is almost impossible. And health is not just about hips and elbows, especially when you have English Mastiff blood in. And unlike what is said on the video there is money involved. Charging 5k stud fee proves that. So at least let's try to be honest and accurate. In conclusion, thumbs up for trying to create a new breed, no problem for me if it falls in the bandog category, thumbs down for not trying to produce healthy animals. As for money involved, that is the policy of each breeder but at least let's be honest.
Resurrected" lol. Please. Does not even look nothing like the real Molossus. Just look at the ancient painting and sculptures. All this guy did really was just made a fatter Neo. Thats all. Short guy with a big dream.
Ligers tends to be VERY UNHEALTHY AND MENTALLY CHALLENGED DUE TO CROSS BREEDING, poor dog would be lucky to live 3 years looks like it's in pain, very high back end smh
One litter of mixed breed puppies doesn’t make a new breed. He simply has a cross breed or hybrid dog. You only have achieved a new breed when those dogs can mate with each other and produce litters that exhibit the breed characteristics. For example, breeding two Yorkiepoos doesn’t produce a Litter of Yorkiepoos.
This seems morally suspect.
Ancient Molossus may have disappeared after the fall of Rome. Either die at war or owners could not keep up with them do to economy and cross breeding. Even today no conclusive prove tell us what the original Molossus may have look like. After the 1300 Neapolitans and Corsos where choose to be the closest comparison to that beautiful ancient puppy. 🙏
Im not a great expert. But i like dogs and know a thing or two about them. This dog seem to run odly. I dont think he is gonna be healthy on the long run (hope im wrong) Im very wary about this whole thing. Its not an old breed. Its some Dude wanting a huge dog and crossing modern mastiff...
Man congratulations on bringing the Brie back so many people up here knocking the dog so damn shame I own a American Bulldog which weighs 150 lb very athletic would love to know how I get my hands on one of these guys on the East Coast I live in Virginia Beach area of Virginia. Can continue doing what you're doing and best of luck
The to loose skin the poor gait this is not a healthy breed beware
Yeah! Very athletic for 10 good minutes..max! and compared to what? A sloth...
Mr. M. E. Curtis, question.
In Ur opinion would be prudent to use Ur breed as an emotional support therapy dog or a support dog ?
& if yes how much?
Dear Marcus, you are only at F1, this is only the very first step in creating a breed. You will have to work at least 25 years to fix characters, so don't boast anything ok? You have nothing else than a F1, you do not have any breed but just a mix as yet.
How to make it more "American",..make it bigger and add more sugar,... I hope they dogs will be ok,..
bigger the dog bigger the problems
more activity=joint problems
less activity=heart problems
no proper training=eat you alive 😅😅
This dogs are just fat
I understand what they’re trying to do and I know they’re not bad people but this is not a healthy breed at all. Far too large and so many health problems. Labs have hip problems and they’re five times smaller than this breed.
When he throws out there that Ligers are healthier than Tigers, he lost any sort of credibility. Ligers are known for having tons of health problems. These dogs will likely be the same. Let them grow a bit older and once those bones have to carry that weight for a few years, lets look at the dogs again.
Uh get the wide collar off these dogs.....its better to harness dogs this size. From 40 plus yrs exp.
think about it- if you were to take a human as a pet in place of a dog "in order to guard your house and ward off predators"- would you prefer a tall, lean and muscular human or a fat and flabby one?
That dog looks like it will have hip problems early on in life.
The liger is not a bigger healthier combination of the lion & tiger. They’re actually very unhealthy and could never live in the wild
Will have serious health problems. People shouldn't be allowed to breed animals just for sport
Still a pup and already looks like it has hip problems😬☹️
You CREATED a big sloppy dog. Damn it moves horrible in comparison to my Corsos.
See this is why i like cane corsos because thay can run unlike this dog i feel so bad for this breed it sad
Yes he is like a 'liger' but they are not healthier,in fact its the opposite and i bet its the same with ur dog.
Humans always messing with lines . Poor dogs
What breeds did you use as foundation? I am a fan of molosser breeds and I love this dog, but skin should be tighter, front legs shouldn't be shorter, I think it's hindering his movement.
Muhammad Ali Cheema he has 2 previous videos on this channel its really cool we got to see this breed From the beginning
Muhammad Ali Cheema good eye, his hips are too high over shoulder
These dogs are not breed to run or have the best gate. They are breed to stand their ground and fight off whatever beast gets in-between him and his humans. So I believe this was the man's vision
Jason Miller what purpose would it serve to create a breed that can't even move properly🤔 he falls forward with a jerk while moving, look closely, he cant even handle his body, this dog has limited functionality
Muhammad Ali Cheema It's not loose skin, it's just a fat sloppy dog.
always thought english mastiff was the largest breed ,past a few of those no matter how much money you invest to buy the best gene , their life is short and they all end up sadly
I see a lot of faults I hope they address that high rear the dogs movement is bad
I like how he won't call it what it is a designer cross breed.
Lions and tigers do not interbreed without evil scientists hand, man interfering yet again.
Lovely features but the potential vet bill scares me. While I got caught up in size and markings I'm still considering the Malinois for overall health and agility.
You Are playing with the Life and the healthy of a poor animal
Where the fuck did all of these dog experts just spawn from
Dog looks cool but you can see the hips limping already