- Buy games at Instant-Gaming for all platforms with discounts! www.instant-gaming.com/es/?igr=analistadebits - Forza Motorsport 7 runs on PC with maximum settings. Gran Turismo 7 runs on PS5. - Gran Turismo 7 has Ray tracing enabled in this video, but it is only visible in photo mode. - Lighting and weather options in Forza 7 are limited. I have tried to find the most similar options in both games. - Song: ruclips.net/video/L9ZdTDAQWjU/видео.html - Compra juegos con grandes descuentos en Instant-Gaming: www.instant-gaming.com/?igr=analistadebits - Forza Motorsport 7 se ejecuta en PC con todos los settings al máximo. Gran Turismo 7 se ejecuta en PS5. - Gran Turismo 7 tiene activado el Ray tracing en este video, pero sólo es visible en el modo foto. - Las opciones de iluminación y clima en Forza 7 son limitadas. Se ha tratado de buscar las opciones más similares en ambos juegos. - Song: ruclips.net/video/L9ZdTDAQWjU/видео.html
@@joesipr Mejor compara horizon 2 con Zelda breath of the wild y verás como queda debajo todavía, pero aún así por qué te ofende que forza 7 sea mejor que gt7?
Gran Turismo may look gorgeous at times, but if a 5 year old game can look just as good, or even better in some cases, I simply cannot imagine how stunning Forza Motorsport will look. Edit: Forza Motorsport looks stunning :)
5 year old but running on modern high-graphics, ultra - probably on a 3090tx no doubt, most likely a £2k-£2.5k pc (not inc monitor), so when comparing a £500 console against a behemoth of a PC, on ultra-mode theres going to be some difference. Was FM7 the base-first-version install? or the latest with patches? GT7 isnt finished yet as far as updates, so there will be more to come. Models are definitely sweeter on the PS5, RT or not - I do like the physics better on the PC and the dirt - and before you shout out ps5 fanboi, i have a PC, SeriesX and PS5 - Ive had to, just to play the bloody exclusives sheesh. Other issues with the reviews were weather settings and times of day - I feel the reviewer, is definitely PC biased here. they know what I mean because I have both games and I know what they have done - trying to show the PS5 in the worst case, sunrise for example, but again - you dont get sun flare with the naked eye - you do if you look through a lens, so having lens flare just to make a game more realistic, does the opposite. You dont get lens flare with your eyeballs and if you do, you've probably had them replaced with camera-eyes lol. Im looking forward to FM8, should be a cracker of a game.
@@carlharrison3637 A 2017 game on modern hardware will look exactly like a 2017 game. Newer hardware on old games doesn't make them look better, it just increases frame rates (and the only if the game engine allows it). And this video is about the looks not the performance. If a game made 5 years ago looks at some points as good and at some other points even better than a current generation game... WE DON'T LOOK FOR EXCUSES. We make the producer (Sony) know we're angry and that if it happens again there will be consequences.
@@albertmas3752 next lime add the line "if its not modded" theres mods of gta that make it look significantly better than it did in 2013 also u could say that gta5 on ps5 looks way better than it does on the ps3 and technically its a 2013 game, but i get your basic premise.also higher frane rates make a game LOOK better run a game at 10fps and see how that looks, so frame rate is important, a rtx 3090 wont run cyberpunk at 120fps with ray tracing on at ultra but a card in 2-5 years might be able to.....is that not running better?
I played all and like Forza for what it is. Dont has to be like ACC. I find forza so much more immersive as a whole game than GT. Sag tomsay because GT1 blew my mind when it came out. And i played all parts but i like Forza so much more. But i have to say Forza 3-5 were the best so far.
It's on a £3000 Nividia RTX 3090 on Ultra high settings which consoles don't even have...the best GPU on the market...what did you expect lol? GT7 on £350 PS5 still thwarts it...imagine if GT7 ran on RTX 3090 Digital Foundry already tested Forza on X1X, XSX and PC RTX3080 I believe. The quality was better on PC, higher texture quality especially at distance. The ultra settings are only on PC
@@ertugrulbae46 uh, having a better graphics card does not boost a game’s graphical fidelity lol. This is exactly what the game looked like in 2017 and would run perfectly on a 2017 computer.
I think it will be one of the most beautiful games of the generation. Development time, the ambition of the project, and the next-gen version of Forza Tech that is already insane these days. All this in the hands of Turn 10... I am very excited
Incredibile how forza old game is Better on gt7 After 6 years in graphics and physic...its Just awesome...can i image forza Motorsport 8 ...Just look when car go to crash on guard Rail...gt7 si ridiculus likes gt 1997 ahahhahhaahahahahhahahahajaha come cazzo si fa a dire che questo gioco è il re di qualcosa allucinante....l'unica cosa buona e la quantità di auto presenti e per fortuna direi togliamo pure quello meglio non esca proprio
Even without ray tracing, Forza Motorsport 7 looks absolutely amazing! Sometimes looks even better than GT7! I can’t imagine how the upcoming. Forza Motorsport will look WITH ray tracing
Photo mode, FM7 in real time car models look booty. FM7 seems to focus its gfx resources where it matters the most. GT7 is just...... all over the place. I'd like to see the Xbox Version compared instead of Ultra PC. I dont think they'd be too different. Or better GT7 ps4 vs FM7 Xbox One.
That's becasue RT is not a game changer. I mean it is but only if you own something like RTX 3080 which can deal with all types of tracing light. For X, PS or slower cards? It just adds some extras which are not that important imo. I mean... Just take a look at TLoU2 or Tsushima. Both look gorgeues and both don't use RT at all.
I don't know what's all the hype about the new Gt7 I have the game on ps5 for me it feels like a remaster of the old one. I still think 🤔 forza horizon 4,5 are way better and also forza 7. Assetto corsa competizione best simulation when it comes to Physics
This is also another great piece of evidence that Ray-Tracing is not needed for good lighting, shadows, and reflections. All you need is good time spent fixing up the graphics. Edit: For example: RDR2. Rockstar utilised their game engine to the point where the game's graphics look like they’re Ray-Traced, yet the game doesn't even have it. Companies have the ability to recreate Ray-Traced graphics but choose to rely on Ray-Tracing to do their graphics work for them.
this has a point of truth, but we must take into account that the raytracing capacity of these consoles is so low when an RTX 2060 and its implementations are extremely limited, that of the Forza Horizon 5 msm which also doesn't work during races (at least not officially) similarly to this GT7 it ends up delivering better results at least on PC, I don't have access to an xbox to say that there it is better or as simple as GT7 on ps5.
Yeah. I see ray tracing as a huge waste of computational resources. It does add to the visuals, of course, but as of now it's just too expensive. Also, the difference it makes is very subtle, you have to really nitpick to see it - something none of us will do when playing.
@@thekangaroo1880 Agreed. Reflections from building windows do add immersion (just one example), which gets us a step closer to genuine photo realism. It will be nice when we have the hardware to run ray tracing at 60 to 240 (dreaming of 240…) frames per second. To anyone who wants to knock me about the 240 fps comment - There are 240hz monitors, now. When we get new consoles in the years ahead, we should have easy access to 240hz TVs. The finer the textures, the easier things blur, even at 60 frames. 120 smooths it out a good bit, but I think one day we’ll be wanting 240 to possibly even 480 for complete photo realism while in motion.
There has been a lot of praise given to GT7 since its release, but this comparison certainly proves that FM7 has a graphical edge over its more modern counterpart. Not bad for a 5-year-old game.
5 year old game on most modern hardware... Do you people even use your brain? Also lightning is just miles better obvious;y on GT7 since it uses modern features.
@@outlander234 And you think a GPU boost the grafik details? This game runs on Ultra at 60 fps 1440p on a 2060. Series X could run this at 4k on Ultra 60fps. The GPU have nothing to do with the grafik.
Duuude I can't wait to see what Forza Motorsport 8 will look like when it won't be bottlenecked by the Xbox one. Unfortunately I think GT7 has that bottleneck but then you look at the Raytracing and shading details you can see that the PS4 probably wasn't what bottlenecked it.
Algo que me parece horrible del gran turismo es la camara tercera persona xD Que si, que se puede "arreglar" en las opciones, que si. Pero es que ni "arreglandola" jaja el que se vea tan recto en curvas da la sensación de que el coche no es el que se mueve sino su entorno, no se si me explico xD que el coche esta quieto y solo va cambiando el escenario.
People need to realize that this Gran Turismo game looks lazy and phoned in at times. Here's the deal, a 2022 game should look miles ahead of anything that came out in 2017. We're talking about a generational leap in hardware capabilities, this is not a generational leap in visuals. At best it's a modest improvement.
And it's not just generational leap, GT7 should have looked better than Forza Horizon 5. The game doesn't render an entire open world, it just renders a very small map with just the track and some trees on the side. I was waiting for it to be a graphical masterpiece but this just looks like a remastered PS3 game. It doesn't even look better than a 5 year old game with literally no next gen option. It's embarrassing.
@@evilburger518 Not exactly the fairest comparison. A PC rig who's graphics card we've no idea of its capability (though must be pretty high-end since we've set the game on 'ultra'), two completely different games and one on this "ultra" rig, another on a 'next-gen' console, that of which will probably be no where near the capability of this PC rig (whether either are capable of Ray Tracing or not). Not exactly sure what we're comparing here, is it to show how impressive GT7 is for rendering its subjects similar to a PC game set on ultra or is it to emphasise FM7's improved graphics but not that far different considering what it's being generated on?
@@dantesortino5239 viste las colisiones? Eso es simulación, lo de GT es una burla para estos tiempos, tiene el mismo motor de físicas que la versión de psx
Wow forza 7 holds up pretty well. Didnt though it would destroy gt 7 when it comes to rain , reflections , car damage model , smoke effects and shadows. We got to a point where there are minimal graphical improvements between 2017 racing game and 2022 one.
They could argue that GT7 was limited by PS4 but PS4 is more powerful than Xbox one. Still, tun 10 delivers a equal ( or better) 60fps racing game than a game that is 5 years newer, in the newest machine.
@@pardolagames8994 is funny because fm7 isn't on pc anymore. so stop using the pc argument with Forza when they took fm7 off pc due to the license expiring ages ago.
@@priscillaasagiri4913 lol GT7 was not limited by ps4 look how well xbox series s is doing this if they want gt 7 to look better there can easy have do that but ps5 is not that powerful as so many playstation fanboys what that to be what do you think pc are doing you can take a 1440p game that looks better end a ps5 game in 4k because of the ps5 low-mid Graphics
Considering Forza have 5 years old and looks better in majority of aspects, even with GT7 with Ray Tracing on, that deserves its merits. Can't wait to see the new Motorsport. I thought this was not true until I played the game on a store few days ago, in a big TV, and this is true. You can see difference there.
@@madmaster3d just because is it’s on “ultra settings on a 3090” doesn’t mean it’s going to magically add new textures in a 5 year old game. It’ll just add more frames. Are you people that thick. Just over a year ago you lot were screaming the ps5 is a PC killer and now you’re saying the ps5 can’t match a 2016 game on a PC. Make it make sense.
It took me a while to realize some are saying the GT7 looks worse than Forza Motorsport 7 and Horizon 5. The world detail is much worse looking. But there is no denying that Gran Turismo still has the upper hand when it comes to car models and car culture in general. Also, wtf were those crash sounds in GT7? Non existent. FM7 nails the environments but GT7 nails that car models.
1:24 el reflejo del cristal de las manos del piloto en el volante se ve increíble en forza y en GT ese detalle es inexistente, y eso que se supone que tiene Ray tracing jajaja
que si hijo, escóndete un rato, que bien que defiendes al halo infinite y ahora vienes a tirar mrd para que luego chilles de que le tiren mrd a juegos de xbox
@@HELLMUTIL lo sé, pero aún así es difícil de creer que un juego de pasada generación maneje mejores reflejos que un juego de 2022 el cula se jacta de tener Ray tracing (mencionando en letras chiquitas que solo se puede disfrutar en el modo foto)
Thank you so much for this video, I feel like I've been taking crazy pills reading reviews about GT7. People are acting like it has unprecedented visuals but the reality is they are matched (and even exceeded in many cases) by Forza 7. GT7 looks okay, but it is definitely not the true next-gen leap that was expected
No gt7 beats fm7 in everything (except for crash physics). Digital foundry made a video comparison between GTS (ps4 pro) vs FM7( PC max settings) where GTS came out on top with basically everything. And you expect now fm7 to look better then gt7 which is a better version then gts which already beat fm7.
@@nocap5913 yeah this video tells one story. It doesn't show everything. Like the paint is alot more realistic, so paint that doesn't shine as much won't shine as much. So if they wanted to see something that shines more, change the paint because it was proven to be the most accurate. But accuracy doesn't matter. It's like how people look at the track and think forzas is better when GTs is alot more realistic as they're mostly flat roads, there shouldn't be alot of puddle build up on professional courses. Which is why they even talked about how the puddle system works and how it's realistic in comparison to mapping puddles and reflections. People don't appreciate accuracy.
It is truly amazing what Forza Motorsport 7 was able to accomplish almost 5 years ago at this point in time. I have been holding off of spending $70 on GT7 for the PS5, as I am anxiously waiting for FM8. Thanks for the video! Great Quality!
@@Q50BeastTv I've been on twitter for the past 3 weeks and seen that '$70' price tag thrown around as a "gotcha" to Ps players. The fact that you included the price when you could just say you were holding off buying GT7 is a bit sus. Why don't you tell us your psn, let's see whether you actually own a PS5 or not.
@@jonathnjdm714 I have, and you are correct. I am a fan of what xbox is doing right now for sure. I respect your opinion of the games as I have given my own. Actually surprised anyone even replied to my comment :)
Dios GT 7 queda completamente en ridícula al lado de un juego de hace 5 años!!! Hay se demuestra el cariño y amor con el que hacen todos los Forza Horizon
el GT7 se ve mejor pero la cámara en tercera persona tan mala y la ausencia de físicas en colisiones hace que en tercera persona se vea feo, pero en primera persona es de lo mejor que hay gráficamente
@@capitansardina6187 GT7 tiene MUCHISIMO detalle en el modelado de coches y pista, si haces zoom con el modo camara se conserva la calidad incluso puedes ver el numero de serie de los faros de tanto detalle que tiene, lo que pasa es que al alejar la camara en 3ra persona es obvio que no se vea los detalles
@@FakeLuisGames lo sé, aún así la cámara en tercera persona está horriblemente diseñada y hace que el juego pierda mucho. La diferencia entre jugar con las cámaras delanteras y la de tercera persona es abismal
Y este FM 7 fue pensado para la generacion pasada de xbox one y aun asi con sus casi 5 años de haber salido supera por mucho al gt 7 que comparte generacion con la ps5. Tambien hay que tomar en cuenta que si este FM7 corre en una pc ultra de aquel entonces no deberia de haber mucha diferencia con una ps5 con arquitectura o tecnologia mas avanzada al igual que una series x. Ahora imaginense como sera el FM 8 que va salir exclusivo de la nueva generacion ....
En triste, la gente dice: a el juego corre en una PC con ultra!! …pero y q? Es un juego q en impacto, panorama, dańo del vehículo y sonido mata ya a GT7, además de ser pensado para una vieja generación, estoy seguro q si le hubieran puesto mas ganas al juego de seguro q en PS5 se hubiera visto muy bien pero puessssss están vaguitos
@@hectorguadarrama5236 FM7 ya supero a GT7 en muchos aspectos si fueran juegos del mismo año y de la misma generación ya GT7 no tendría oportunidad en ningún apartado
si, lo supera pero no porque esté en una pc ultra porque si es asi entonces vamos a correr un juego de ps3 en una rtx 3090 y wow jajajaj, es más merito del esfuerzo y atención al detalle de turn 10
Después de 6 años de diferencia no me esperaba que casi todo se viera mejor en forza motorsport 7, la iluminación es lo que gana claramente en gran turismo, será cuestión del avance tecnológico, pero esto significa que deberían de haber hecho más con las texturas, igual que también con las físicas, que es horrendo, una pena que en 2022 haya salido el gran turismo así, no han avanzado como debe esta saga, una lástima
@@unbaneo0 pues te equivocas, ya dijo digital foundry, que en one x corría en calidad más alta, que estaba prácticamente igual que en pc, y te aseguro que es así, porqué lo he jugado yo, y no difiera nada de lo que he visto, y ya si llega a poner ciudad, todavía se hubieran visto más las carencias de gran turismo gráficamente, no se porqué no lo hizo
Bueno,con esto creo que se les cae el bulo a todos aquellos que dijeron que el GT7 era tope de gama en juegos de conducción. Un juego de hace 5 años lo ha pisoteado practicamente en todooooooooooooo.
@@inekoforeveri2549 no niña como me va a doler los comentarios de los fanboys de Xbox los gráficos de gran turismo son más naturales no como ese forza de bajo presupuesto 🤣🤣🤣
Turn10 are tech gods, best in the business! Now imagine Forza Motorsport with 2x development time, no cross gen and using BCpack, mesh shaders, sampler feedback streaming and DirectStorage and sharing tech and assets with Playground. Gt7 has no chance.
"Now imagine Forza Motorsport with 2x development time" well this is coming this year with a new forza motorsport with not 2, but 5 years of development...
@@kak8895 haven't heard anything about FM8 using DirectML, won't be surprised if they did though. Also Turn10 will most likely use VRS 2.0 which allegedly could boost performance a massive 30-45%.
Wow I think I'm really surprised by a 5 year old game, overall having the edge here in most scenarios except in photo mode in some cases. Really so much details still missing in gt7 like physics and the car damage model, how it gets dirty is missing in gt7, although the lighting model at night has some advantages in gt7, I like the overall look of Fm7 better. Great job to both developers! I'm excited for F8
@Malitia HD I'm pretty sure Forza has literally all of that. Forza 7 had tire compounds and pressure front/back distribution. It also has aero and accounts for wind resistance. Cars can also go airborne and flip over (I don't think cars can flip in GT). It also has car damage model. Where are you getting your info about Forza 7? It sounds like you've never played or owned.
It's running on a £3000 Nivifia RTX 3090 on ultra high setting which consoles don't even have.. GT7 on the date GPU would be significantly superior. Despite it, the £450 console and GT7 is still thrashing Forza on a PC with the best GPU on the market
It's no surprise that Forza Motorsport 7 and GT sport graphically still holds up very well but they always did in truth , does make u wonder how the new Forza Motorsport will look considering how long it's taken .GT 7 looks incredible so it's all eyes on turn 10 to see if they can deliver an epic racer to rival GT .
Increíble lo mal parado que deja el Forza al gran turismo en cuanto al apartado visual, y eso que se trata de un juego ya algo viejo. Una lastima que no hayan comprado una licencia mas larga para el uso de los autos, pues ahora el juego es incomprable por culpa de eso. Solo queda esperar la monstruosidad que será el Forza Motorsports 8.
@@ApoQChile Cierto, no recordaba las keys, pero aun así, dejando las keys de lado, el juego ya no se puede comprar de manera oficial en la tienda de Xbox.
Strange to see that GT7 in promo videos really looked nextgen. But looking at the gameplays its just ok/nice. Compared with FM7 and GT7 is like what? Waiting for some new FM8 content. ☺️ Thanks for the video. 😉
In GT 7 ray tracing is not available during races, so that's a huge letdown. As a result it looks super realistic in replay mode and photo mode at times, but during races, it just doesn't look as good as it is expected to.
@@nmm7449 jajajajaja si claro campeón, mira... No se te nota que te arde que un juego de varios años es mejor que el gt7 no todo es graficos, pero el gt7 es un juego que salió muy baratejo y lo venden a 80 dolares, a parte de ser un insulto para sus consumidores es un robo y Digital Foundry me la pela, no saben nada, hasta varios desarrolladores de juegos los han expuesto que sus analisis son falsos, que dicen que los juegos tienen resolución dinámica cuando no es así, ellos cuando los descubren solo borran el video y como que no ha pasado nada, ps5 está sacando juegos buenos pero muy baratejos y es la verdad, no me importa si te duele o no pero es la verdad hijo.
@@nmm7449 no le estoy tirando hate, el juego es baratejo y es la verdad, y estaba en mi hora de almuerzo del trabajo, es el único momento donde puedo leer tu estupido comentario, seguí llorando. Me da igual si le va bien a gt7,yo un favor les hago a ustedes, exijan mas calidad en sus juegos, no sean conformistas
Prime example of comparing apples to oranges. Why wouldn’t they simply show a series x running this? Or a PC configured to run Forza at similar settings to the PS5.
Both games look fantastic! And both games have something that makes them better than the other game. But the fact that Forza is already over 4 years old and just looks better than GT7 in places is extremely impressive!!!
@@Soc1alpers0n I didn't say that everything looks better in Forza. Read my comment correctly before you get insulting.... There are things that are better in GT7 and there are things that are better in Forza 7.... And it's even more impressive since Forza 7 is already over 4 years old. I'm definitely not blind!!! But I rather think you're just a fanboy, and that's why you go straight to insulting....
well gtsport is also over 4 years old and has the same advantages in terms of graphics to FM7 that gt7 has but with a significant generation gap. And I think both gtsport and fm7 will hold pretty well graphically even when fm8 comes out.
Yo diría que el juego es más para jugarlo en primera persona más que en tercera pero igual deberia tener 2 tipos de cámaras en tercera persona como en forza
@@dantesortino5239 Lo normal, en este tipo de juego son varias cámaras, y que estas sean decentes, tema aparte las físicas, o sea, vas a todo trapo ,te estrellas y lo único que hace el coche es pararse de golpe, por no decir la sensación de velocidad, totalmente nula, hasta las marcas del suelo al derrapar, que también son inexistentes, daños al entorno y el coche nulos, efectos del clima ufff. Le podría sacar mil fallos más, pero es que cansa.
Cara eu sendo apaixonado ou não pela franquia Forza qualquer um vê claramente que a qualidade do Forza é muito superior a qualidade do Gran Turismo, kkkkkkk E olha que a gente tá falando de um Forza motorsport 7 que já é antigo o game😉😁
Ambos execelentes games , forza tem alguns detalhes gráficos melhores mesmo , o gran turismo 7 tem a vantagem no modo carreira que é superior e o modo online, mas novo forza motorsport vem prometendo um online a altura e muito mais
tenho PS5, mas Forza esta dando uma surra no GT faz tempo. Infelizmente não vem para o meu console. Até me animaria jogar jogo de carro, mas ai teria que investir no G29 ou semelhantes hehe. Até cogitei comprar XsX. Mas se pa ir para um PC ano que vem com uma 4060, ou 4070 que vai dar um grau em relação aos consoles 5 e X
Lo chistoso es que el efecto de luz que sale desde los focos de los vehiculos es mejor en GT7, pero la interaccion de esa luz con los otros autos o con el medioambiente es mejor en FM7 Lo que se ve extraño e irreal en ambas versiones (1:48) es que en FM7 el vehiculo no tenga potencia en los focos pero en el pavimento se ve reflejada una luz muy potente. Y en GT7 el vehiculo tenga unos focos con una luz poderosisima pero en el pavimento casi no se ve reflejado nada
@@fraleon4735 aún así están comparando juegos con más de 4 años de diferencia. La calidad Ultra de un juego del 2016/17 debe ser menor a lo que pueda ofrecer una PS5 actualmente
Finally , a comment section where no one is bashing on either games. i get it that GT7 doesn't look as much as impressive as FM7 but both games are really great none the less.
I play both franchises and each has their pros and cons. I feel like the overall driving experience is better in Gran Turismo, but the physics and damage model are a step ahead in Forza.
Well in GT you will get penalized for purposely crashing, and doing that reverse on track like every kid on forza does. So that’s why they don’t put much into the damage model, cause no one tries to find out. I played GT7 on PS5 and it’s very challenging took me at least 9 tries to get a S License in the game.
Would be nice if the chase camera on Gran Turismo was set to close up and have the rotation sensitivity set to 0 so that the camera is similar to the one in Forza. Seems that people don't like the GT default one, though it's definitely the more practical one.
I disagree, on hairpins like the one in Suzuka after the 2 degners, you can see cars poking or coming up alongside the rear of your car on FM, so you know a cars nose is next to your rear bumper on Forza. With the static camera of GT, you’ve got no clue because the camera doesn’t show those angles, you’ve only got the radar map. I don’t get this comment, how can limited spatial awareness be a good thing in car racing games? 🥴
@@ashdog236 the thing is, if you get that close to an other player in forza, you will experience the sticking effect, that doesnt happen in gt7, so its mostly fine and you can figure it out based on the car size aswell, not that it matters that much because most people that play gt7 for racing will use the inside or hood or roof cameras, most people that use the outside cameras wont do any serious racing.
12:08 acaso ves mejor el FM7 que el GT7? Dios hay que ser muy fanboy Además de que en la conducción y contenido el Gran Turismo ha sido muy superior al Forza Motorsport
@Daniel Ortega amigo hay que ser un lambebotas de Xbox para no admitir que Gran Turismo es mejor que Forza Motorsport 7, los gráficos no son todo en un videojuego, Gran Turismo literalmente lo aplasta en jugabilidad, en modelado de los coches, en modos de juego, en contenido jugable, en la libertad de personalización, en las opciones de Modificación, en el sistema de edición, tiene más pistas, tiene más competiciones, tiene un online mas activo, tiene un online mas competitivo y es mínimamente mas realista Y eso no lo digo yo, literalmente hay Simracers profesionales que respaldan mi opinión, o dime tu cuando has visto a algún Simracers jugar al Forza Motorsport de forma competitiva? Debo aceptar que Forza ha evolucionado mejor que Gran Turismo pero aún no lo supera en todos los aspectos, Forza solo es superior es Graficos, MotionBlur, Autos y sistema de colisiones, en todo lo demás gana por bastante Gran Turismo
@@ariasgamingcr 😂tampoco defiendas lo indefendible,ya que te la pasas comentandolo mismo en varios comentarios, no soy de ningún bando ,pero este gt ,es un juego a medio terminar . La gente decidira si prefiere gráficos, o una simulación Lo único que nos queda es disfrutar los juegos
Forza M7 is only optimized for Xbox One/X while GT7 is optimized for PS5 and yet it looks worse, we know Forza Horizon already surpassed FM7 so just imagine FM8 lol
Que triste que un juego de hace 5 años le pegue semejante verguiza a un juego "Next Gen" que a duras penas en modo foto con RTX le puede hacer competencia, ya en lo jugable habra que ver, pero técnicamente que decepción y nada de lloriqueos de "lo están corriendo en PC" que una PC de hace 5 años debería ser inferior a una consola next gen
Because the engine Forza uses is years ahead of Gran Turismo. FM8 will without a doubt, be one of, if not the most beautiful looking race game when it releases.
I have both games and they are both my favourites for racing, and race with a Fanatec direct drive setup. The real differences come down to gameplay. GT7 has a better career mode. FM7 is a little more immersive, career mode is still excellent, just more to do in GT7. Can’t wait to see what the new FM8 (Motorsport game) will have for us.
@@anthonypeterson42 I thought it was more of a, “hey, here are some fun scenarios to do!” Instead of a, “race to become a legend,” type of thing. Just made the game feel much more casual than it should have been. But Car bowling still has to be the greatest thing in the history of racing video games, it’s just that it feels more of like a bonus game mode than a main game mode. Even the serious game modes were too short for my liking which I was a bit disappointing. That’s just my opinion though. I still had many memories with the game though.
5:55 me parece una vergüenza lo de GT7, en pleno 2022 tener esas fisicas es inadmisible, Forza 7 le da un repaso en casi todos los aspecto, y salio hace 5 años, no quiero ni imaginar la paliza que le dara Forza Motorsport 8 que sale este año.
La conducción es muy superior en Gran Turismo, también los modos de juego, el contenido jugable, el sistema de personalización, el sistema de modificaciones, el sistema de Penalizaciones, el Online, la competitividad
Lo unico en lo que vi mejor a GT7 es en la iluminacion de los faros, en todo lo demas es que gana por paliza FM7, vergűenza les deberia de dar seguirse llamando "The real driving simulator" porque ese juego sobretodo en las fisicas (que parecen de juego movil) no tiene nada de realista.
Si, solo la iluminación con RT es su fuerte, en especial en los faros, lástima que durante el gameplay las sombras no se proyectan como deberían incluso en un entorno nocturno
Lo dice alguien que seguro ni Playstation tiene y mucho menos a jugado un Gran Turismo en su vida... Pfff. Los físicos de GT están muy por encima que Forza. De hecho la sensación de velocidad es la correcta en Gran Turismo aunque cierta gente prefiera esa velocidad irreal de forza
@@forevernow4 Qué las físicas están correctas en GT7? Ah si, es que en la vida real el pit-maneuver hace que te quedes enganchado en el auto y en vez de hacerlo trompear, también se me olvidaba que al estrellarte de frente tu coche mantiene las 4 ruedas el 100% del tiempo haciendo contacto con el piso
@minesauriorex creo que el quiso decir mucho mejor xD, no lo juegues ya que puede ser un niño y suelen escribir así, tranquilo que en el argumento del comentario tiene toda la razón
Gráficamente veo muy superior a forza en casi todos los aspectos comparados en el video, raro que un Gt en 2022 no esté mejor inclusive que esté Forza 7 que ya tiene sus años. Toca esperar a jugar FM8 en Series X para ver cómo sigue la evolución.
@@pedroirles8918 ¿Como asi? no ves? El GT que tiene Ray Tracing tiene reflejos horribles, los charcos de agua no reflejan nada jajaja, el cielo en el GT está congelado, la cámara está trabada detrás del auto, los choques no tienen realismo y la vista trasera no tiene sombra. no puedes ver??? Le daría a esta porcaria un 6 y siendo muy amable.
@@jhaudyrivera4689 Hate triado por tirar, One X corre Forza Motorsport 7 con ajustes gráficos equivalentes a Graficos en Ultra en PC, solo cambia el antialiasing, ahora es un juego que no exprime series x y es un juego de hace 4.5 años y si no me crees de los ajustes graficos solo busca en digital foundry.
For someone looking forward to next year's Forza Motorsport game and wanting a comparison between it and Gran T this is an amazing video! Edit. Just wow! How does a five year old FM look even better than a BRAND NEW GT game? And I can't imagine how unbelievable the new FM will look next year with ray tracing too! Wow its gonna be insane!
it's awesome to see completely different devs with different engines, each focusing/prioritizing some elements over others, etc both resulting in awesome looking racers in their own way...all the stupid back and forth hate on either side needs to stop...both will also only improve with their next entry dropping the previous gen and their previous entry as the foundation doing more from scratch
Few days ago i've played FM7 on the France's Le Man track, and almost immediately after - the same track, but in GT7. Honest opinion: in FM7 (and even FM6) this track looks better. During the rain especially. Same thing with Spa and Brands Hatch. Don't get me wrong - GT7 looks pretty, but damn those 5-7 years old XBOX ONE era games still holding their own!
Se lo come en todo Forza, las texturas de la carretera, los efectos ambientales, la sensación de conducir es que es todo, gran turismo no ha cambiado nada.
Hay que decir que la resolución no t8ene xq destacar como puños la textura del asfalto, que son pneumáticos para carretera,no para un camino de cabras esfaltado,aunque sí, se ve más bonito en apariencia todo el asfalto bien remarcado.
Y pensar que el forza motorsport 7 lo estaban casi regalando (Unos $8 dólares) hace unos meses porque ya no lo iban a poder seguir vendiendo en la store, por el tema de las licencias de las marcas de los coches. Qué pena que no me decidí a comprarlo. Un verdadero juegazo.
Bueno no sufras mucho, en un par de años como mucho sale el nuevo Motosport con motor gráfico basado en el nuevo Unreal Engine 5, madre mía como se va a ver eso....
If GT7 was never going to be made exclusively for PS5... PD are too lazy, that's why they picked cross gen, that's their excuse for the visuals not looking good without raytracing.
@@nmm7449 yo en lo personal no he visto muchos gameplays del juego GT7 pero si jugué FM7 y el clima dinámico es maravilloso, supongo que la diferencia real es que en FM7 usan nubes volumétricas diferentes a GT7 y de ahí la diferencia.
@@nmm7449 No hay peor ciego que el que no quiere ver ...conoces ese dicho? Las pruebas están en ese vídeos..las nubes son de cartón como todo el juego pero tu 1mb3c1L como buen fanboy de la Plastilina5 niegas la realidad 🤣😂..
Ex sim racer here. Iracing for 5 years along with GTR, GTR2 , Race 07 , GT Legends, Project cars and many more. I always have a good laugh when I see physics debates here in the comments. Sorry to say but although both games are fun to drive they are no simulation racing game. Physics are basic and fun and I have FM7 , FH4 AND 5 and do like them on a wheel. Tire models feels fun and basic stuff like trail braking and other technics work but I can still feel canned effects in them. FH5 is the best of the 3 and feels fun but its not high res physics. So no , save the debates because neither are sims. SIM cade only nothing more.
In my console one x with ssd forza run it 4k and 60 fps! Very love my console and now don't needed nextgen, I from Ukraine, now in my region war, Ukraine winning!
@@redfirefox3568 If you don’t watch the news I’m talking about, not propaganda, then read history and then write nonsense about the victory of the USSR over fascism, they won only thanks to the USA and Britain, they received huge lend-leases, otherwise they would have fallen very quickly before writing nonsense, look at historical facts
At 2:06 even with RT on it’s not that impressive compared to MS7. Overall the lighting is toned down especially compared to MS. It looks more showy than anything, being filled with lens flare and the like. Overall disappointing, especially considering the hardware.
I know that GT7 is having ray tracing support, but I think they depends too much on it, that when turned off, there's almost no reflection on wet road, making it a bit low quality.... Since I've only had the PS4 version, well.....
@@horizon_angel gtsport has more reflections in the rain than gt7. It's just that in real life, the track doesn't look like a mirror, if the track would be that covered in water, like in fm7, the conditions would be too undrivable. I too think that rain looks better on fm7 but it's incredibly unrealistic, gt7 could go balls out on reflections, but with it's new physics model which simulates metereologically accurate clouds and weather, better tyre model, and dynamic time, they bumped up realism than what is considered aesthetically pleasing. Sim racers are having a good time playing gt7 albeit not all but it is really impressive for a game that introduces absolute newbies to car culture (probably arcade racing game players) to a more realistic driving experience and, a more frustrating one. A definite stepping stone to hardcore sim racing games like iracing, assetto corsa and the competitive world of esports. The graphics are stunning in a lot of scenarios but come on PD what the fuck are those textures??????
Forza is amazing .. Motorsport and horizon and people still choose other games just cos they in the business longer 😂 ... This video is proof Forza has been killing it ever since and alot of people doesn't give it that much credit
People who says that forza is better are simply coping for it, Forza in somes cases does look better but overall GT7 impressive more with density and lookness of it yeah I invented that word right now!! Some people haven't seen GT7 on a oled with in screen mode it basically looks like real life 90% of the time! To me Gt7 looks better but I can too accept that other people think forza m7 is better!
Having played both GT7 feels more next gen, maybe its the dualsense etc i dont know but this does show how good FM7 is and suggests FM8 will be incredible, as its next gen only. Polyphony should have done the same - ie; build a whole new engine for next gen.
What does Duelsense offerin racing game that is not possible with Xbox One controller? If you mean feeling brakes and traction through triggers: It was already available in FM5 (2013) and FH2 Xbox One version (2014).
@@UltraCasualPenguin i think coupled with haptic feedback it makes for pretty decent experience, and the adaptive triggers are a little more advanced to the vibration in the xbox one controllers, although they were great at the time
@@UltraCasualPenguin umm no it offers a lot more than an xbox one controller, sorry are you being serious ? You’ve clearly never used a dualsense or played a PS5, such comments just display ignorance and is not the most intelligent approach to a debate
I own both of these games, I played Forza 7 maxed out on a high end PC and play GT7 on ps5. Both look amazing and each have their strengths and weaknesses. Overall the driving physics in GT7 are superior to Forza and the lighting and car models are the best I have seen in a driving game which makes GT7 feel more photorealistic overall. Forza 7 has a more arcade feel to it in comparison to GT7. Also the HDR implementation in GT7 is superb. I wish though GT7 would improve on the lod management crossing, make the transition between high level of detail and further out level of detail a more smooth gradiant transition instead of this clear invisible wall when things pop in high detail level. It is much better then in GT sport, but there is room for improvement. Forza does lod management in a less intrusive way, at least on PC and uses Photogrammetry for the surroundings more effectively which make the enviroments look better in parts. Especially the Dubai track is a stunner. Anway both games look great, play great and come highly recommended if you are into driving games. Can´t wait for Forza 8 as Horizon 5 is the best looking open world racer on the market today, I love what Turn 10 Studios does with Photogrammetry.
FM8 is going to look amazing, the track environments are really going to set it apart from GT7 with the photogrammetry like you say. I just hope turn10 can match GT7 when it comes to the car models themselves and get the lighting right
@@BOKtober Agree, Forza 8 will look fantastic coming off Horizon 5. A racing game with GT7 car models, physics, HDR implementation and realistic Lighting paired with Forzas Enviroments/Photogrammetry and damage model would be the perfect racing game.
sorry man, photorealistic is not what anybody is seeing...it literally looks last gen, be honest at least. i have heard many people talk about the physics as arcady from numerous sim racers
Hmm, to me Forza looks far better in pretty much every category except grass, but even then Forza manages to make it look better with dirt separating it from the road. I love me some GT though because the simulation is so good.
Sure FM7 has higher res textures and maybe better effects. But the color tones and post processing in GT7 are just so much richer and natural. The presentation is very polished and particular, the developers went more for realism which i appreciate
It's shocking that GT 7 clouds looks like 2d bit map, while forza is geometry. Man Turn 10 is talented as hell, they faked a lot of reflection and shadows and it all holds up.
No entiendo como dicen que GT7 es excelente, un juego de generación pasada lo supera en texturas, detalles y fisicas. En GT7 parece ser que solo se enfocaron en dualsense y la iluminación (sin contar el RT)
GT still plays like a PS2 game in pretty much every area apart from it's visuals. Also I believe that FM7 on Xbox One X or Series X(BC) is pretty much identical to the PC version apart from the reflections refresh update to 60fps instead of 30fps.
@@mcdadlouis4550 I know the overall game runs at 60fps but the reflections on cars do not update at 60fps on consoles, they update at 30fps and that's pretty much the main difference btw PC and One X/Series X (BC) version.
2:41 ¿Porque pones el modo foto? a quien carajos le importa... si cuando juegas no vas a estar todo el rato metido en el modo foto, aunque intentes manipular que ya lo has hecho con otros juegos, todos saben que el forza motorsport 7 o el forza horizon 5 se siguen viendo mejor hasta John Linneman de digital foundry dijo que Gran Turismo 7 parecía que tuviera gráficos de ps3, así que deja de manipular.
Forza Horizon 5 выглядит отлично при большом открытом мире. Я представляю, как мощь движка проявится на закрытых трассах в следующем Мотоспорте. Думаю будет выглядеть круто.
Forza horizon 5 on series x graphically beats both,so let's not bring the PC into this.gt7 is using old tech from the PS3 era,it's actually quite behind the times tbh
En mi opinión lo único destacable del GT7 es el nivel de atención al detalle al momento de recrear los coches, los autos en Forza carecen de muchos detalles presentes en GT, sin embargo en términos generales Forza es muy superior...
Pero que hablas si en GT7 parecen de juguete los coches que ni se mueven las ruedas al girar etc En Forza ha sido todo siempre superior, solo mira cuants categorias a carreras llevan ganando desde 2004 En cambio GT ni una, o se lo llevan los Forza o Asseto u otros
Yo si creo que debe haber partes en que tengan mejor modelado, pero lo que quiero es que marquen la parte de la comparación o digan en dónde es mejor Por ejemplo así de simple 7:45 aquí yo pienso que la llanta en gran turismo parece ponchada porque traspasa el suelo. 5:44 vs 6:18 las colisiones son mejores en forza. Me refiero, no es muy difícil decir de dónde sacas lo que dices y no solo decirlo porque si pues
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- Forza Motorsport 7 runs on PC with maximum settings. Gran Turismo 7 runs on PS5.
- Gran Turismo 7 has Ray tracing enabled in this video, but it is only visible in photo mode.
- Lighting and weather options in Forza 7 are limited. I have tried to find the most similar options in both games.
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- Forza Motorsport 7 se ejecuta en PC con todos los settings al máximo. Gran Turismo 7 se ejecuta en PS5.
- Gran Turismo 7 tiene activado el Ray tracing en este video, pero sólo es visible en el modo foto.
- Las opciones de iluminación y clima en Forza 7 son limitadas. Se ha tratado de buscar las opciones más similares en ambos juegos.
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Los de Playstation se sienten ofendidos por qué lo comparaste con la versión de PC, deberías hacerlo con la versión de one X o corriendo en series X
@@jonathanhuerta1724 vamos a comprarar halo infinite cn horizon forbiden west tuenes huevos pa eso?
@@joesipr Mejor compara horizon 2 con Zelda breath of the wild y verás como queda debajo todavía, pero aún así por qué te ofende que forza 7 sea mejor que gt7?
Nnt
Ok for a 5 year old game it battles graphics wise really well
Gran Turismo may look gorgeous at times, but if a 5 year old game can look just as good, or even better in some cases, I simply cannot imagine how stunning Forza Motorsport will look.
Edit: Forza Motorsport looks stunning :)
And actually GT7 looks so good
5 year old but running on modern high-graphics, ultra - probably on a 3090tx no doubt, most likely a £2k-£2.5k pc (not inc monitor), so when comparing a £500 console against a behemoth of a PC, on ultra-mode theres going to be some difference. Was FM7 the base-first-version install? or the latest with patches? GT7 isnt finished yet as far as updates, so there will be more to come. Models are definitely sweeter on the PS5, RT or not - I do like the physics better on the PC and the dirt - and before you shout out ps5 fanboi, i have a PC, SeriesX and PS5 - Ive had to, just to play the bloody exclusives sheesh. Other issues with the reviews were weather settings and times of day - I feel the reviewer, is definitely PC biased here. they know what I mean because I have both games and I know what they have done - trying to show the PS5 in the worst case, sunrise for example, but again - you dont get sun flare with the naked eye - you do if you look through a lens, so having lens flare just to make a game more realistic, does the opposite. You dont get lens flare with your eyeballs and if you do, you've probably had them replaced with camera-eyes lol. Im looking forward to FM8, should be a cracker of a game.
@@carlharrison3637 the Xbox Series X exists lol
@@carlharrison3637 A 2017 game on modern hardware will look exactly like a 2017 game. Newer hardware on old games doesn't make them look better, it just increases frame rates (and the only if the game engine allows it). And this video is about the looks not the performance.
If a game made 5 years ago looks at some points as good and at some other points even better than a current generation game... WE DON'T LOOK FOR EXCUSES. We make the producer (Sony) know we're angry and that if it happens again there will be consequences.
@@albertmas3752 next lime add the line "if its not modded" theres mods of gta that make it look significantly better than it did in 2013 also u could say that gta5 on ps5 looks way better than it does on the ps3 and technically its a 2013 game, but i get your basic premise.also higher frane rates make a game LOOK better run a game at 10fps and see how that looks, so frame rate is important, a rtx 3090 wont run cyberpunk at 120fps with ray tracing on at ultra but a card in 2-5 years might be able to.....is that not running better?
Forza 7 is 4.5 years old ...,it's even delisted because of licensing (so they didn't even think about next gen optimization)
A versão do One X está excelente no Series X
PC Ultra man... Next Gen? Puresh¡t 😂 😂
No way! So you can't buy it right now?
that doesn't matter, it's the ultra PC version so it looks better than a possible "Next Gen" version
@@augustorayslle é igual do PC ultra. Tá melhor q GT 7
Really liked the look of the new Gran Turismo 7, but i have to say, this just puts it into perspective how good Forza Motorsport 7 is.
too bad the gameplay is dogshit in forza.
@@EMG81xTHRASHER how so?
@@DrMintyy FM 5-7 never had the „grip“-feeling that GT had. After playing sims like ACC you will feel how bad and strange forzas physics are.
I played all and like Forza for what it is. Dont has to be like ACC. I find forza so much more immersive as a whole game than GT. Sag tomsay because GT1 blew my mind when it came out. And i played all parts but i like Forza so much more. But i have to say Forza 3-5 were the best so far.
@@TheKeseg yeah but it's terrible so who cares
Amazing to see that even without Ray tracing the graphics engine, lighting, reflection and textures are amazing for a 2017 game.
It's on a £3000 Nividia RTX 3090 on Ultra high settings which consoles don't even have...the best GPU on the market...what did you expect lol?
GT7 on £350 PS5 still thwarts it...imagine if GT7 ran on RTX 3090
Digital Foundry already tested Forza on X1X, XSX and PC RTX3080 I believe. The quality was better on PC, higher texture quality especially at distance. The ultra settings are only on PC
@@ertugrulbae46 xbox one x lo puede ejecutar en ultra que dices?
@@ertugrulbae46 uh, having a better graphics card does not boost a game’s graphical fidelity lol. This is exactly what the game looked like in 2017 and would run perfectly on a 2017 computer.
@@ertugrulbae46 So if I play tetris on that graphic card , I coud get a red dead redemption quality
. Wow!
@@ertugrulbae46 🧢🧢🧢🧢
Forza Motorsport 8 is going to be a banger
I think it will be one of the most beautiful games of the generation. Development time, the ambition of the project, and the next-gen version of Forza Tech that is already insane these days. All this in the hands of Turn 10... I am very excited
It’s gonna be a beautiful game
It will also be next gen. only.
Incredibile how forza old game is Better on gt7 After 6 years in graphics and physic...its Just awesome...can i image forza Motorsport 8 ...Just look when car go to crash on guard Rail...gt7 si ridiculus likes gt 1997 ahahhahhaahahahahhahahahajaha come cazzo si fa a dire che questo gioco è il re di qualcosa allucinante....l'unica cosa buona e la quantità di auto presenti e per fortuna direi togliamo pure quello meglio non esca proprio
@@akk36theciccio61. Maybe gt7 on pc with max. would look better?
Even without ray tracing, Forza Motorsport 7 looks absolutely amazing! Sometimes looks even better than GT7! I can’t imagine how the upcoming. Forza Motorsport will look WITH ray tracing
Most of the time looked better than GT7…
Photo mode, FM7 in real time car models look booty. FM7 seems to focus its gfx resources where it matters the most. GT7 is just...... all over the place. I'd like to see the Xbox Version compared instead of Ultra PC. I dont think they'd be too different. Or better GT7 ps4 vs FM7 Xbox One.
That's becasue RT is not a game changer. I mean it is but only if you own something like RTX 3080 which can deal with all types of tracing light. For X, PS or slower cards? It just adds some extras which are not that important imo. I mean... Just take a look at TLoU2 or Tsushima. Both look gorgeues and both don't use RT at all.
no, i don't really agree, i think gt7 is much better
Hahaha. Only Forza fanboys would think Forza looks even better than another racing game. Can't trust fanboys.
That Forza Tech engine is just amazing
I can't wait for the next Forza Motorsport with the improved FTech X engine!!!
@@YurymBR same here
I got a PS5 and gt7 and this game looks amazing but daaaaaaaaaayyum forzá looks dope
It's advancing, just like any other engine for next gen 🤷♂️ 🤦♂️
The game is still ass. And the fan base will just ram cars into each other and reverse on the track.
Can’t wait for forza motorsport 8
@@MA57 bruh what
@@landbell201 Forza Motorsport 7 is also on PC
@@oror3751 so
@@kingavila7584 Instead of criticizing a community, that if they enjoy their games, you should demand more from sony
@@landbell201 ratioed
No me quiero ni imaginar lo que se viene con Forza Motorsport 🤤
Será tan realista que cuando llueva en el juego te mojará la cara
The fm7 that is a 2017 game compares with a 2022 game imagine what is to come
@@itachix3460 lluvia blanca 😋
@@k98k007 .________.?
I don't know what's all the hype about the new Gt7 I have the game on ps5 for me it feels like a remaster of the old one. I still think 🤔 forza horizon 4,5 are way better and also forza 7.
Assetto corsa competizione best simulation when it comes to Physics
11:56 - look the clock in lemans
FM7 it works showing the actual time of race, in GT7 it doesnt
At the Daytona circuit you can see the Clock that marks the time of the race
And that's the only thing going for Forza lmao
This is also another great piece of evidence that Ray-Tracing is not needed for good lighting, shadows, and reflections. All you need is good time spent fixing up the graphics.
Edit: For example: RDR2. Rockstar utilised their game engine to the point where the game's graphics look like they’re Ray-Traced, yet the game doesn't even have it. Companies have the ability to recreate Ray-Traced graphics but choose to rely on Ray-Tracing to do their graphics work for them.
True
this has a point of truth, but we must take into account that the raytracing capacity of these consoles is so low when an RTX 2060 and its implementations are extremely limited, that of the Forza Horizon 5 msm which also doesn't work during races (at least not officially) similarly to this GT7 it ends up delivering better results at least on PC, I don't have access to an xbox to say that there it is better or as simple as GT7 on ps5.
Yeah. I see ray tracing as a huge waste of computational resources. It does add to the visuals, of course, but as of now it's just too expensive. Also, the difference it makes is very subtle, you have to really nitpick to see it - something none of us will do when playing.
@@brutalschel if Ray-Tracing is implemented correctly then it's worth it.
@@thekangaroo1880 Agreed. Reflections from building windows do add immersion (just one example), which gets us a step closer to genuine photo realism. It will be nice when we have the hardware to run ray tracing at 60 to 240 (dreaming of 240…) frames per second.
To anyone who wants to knock me about the 240 fps comment - There are 240hz monitors, now. When we get new consoles in the years ahead, we should have easy access to 240hz TVs. The finer the textures, the easier things blur, even at 60 frames. 120 smooths it out a good bit, but I think one day we’ll be wanting 240 to possibly even 480 for complete photo realism while in motion.
There has been a lot of praise given to GT7 since its release, but this comparison certainly proves that FM7 has a graphical edge over its more modern counterpart. Not bad for a 5-year-old game.
5 year old game on most modern hardware... Do you people even use your brain? Also lightning is just miles better obvious;y on GT7 since it uses modern features.
And FM7 is available for PC as well
@@outlander234 And you think a GPU boost the grafik details? This game runs on Ultra at 60 fps 1440p on a 2060. Series X could run this at 4k on Ultra 60fps. The GPU have nothing to do with the grafik.
@@Tommek461991 Series X? I am talking about Xbox One.
@@outlander234 you wanna talk about using your brain? You’re dim brain just said new hardware completely changes a games graphics, BRUH 😂🤦🏻♂️
This gets me so pumped for forza especially with the engine improvements!!!
Duuude I can't wait to see what Forza Motorsport 8 will look like when it won't be bottlenecked by the Xbox one. Unfortunately I think GT7 has that bottleneck but then you look at the Raytracing and shading details you can see that the PS4 probably wasn't what bottlenecked it.
@@DragonicGamer32 forzamotorsport will not be on xbox one, it is xsx and xss and PC only.
Forza P4P King 🏆
@@user-uuuu2 LOL I literally just said that. Please re-read my comment where I said It WON'T be bottlenecked by the Xbox one.
@@DragonicGamer32 Sorry. I am not a good English speaker so I missed the reading.
Algo que me parece horrible del gran turismo es la camara tercera persona xD
Que si, que se puede "arreglar" en las opciones, que si. Pero es que ni "arreglandola" jaja el que se vea tan recto en curvas da la sensación de que el coche no es el que se mueve sino su entorno, no se si me explico xD que el coche esta quieto y solo va cambiando el escenario.
Totalmente
Wtf?
Quizás porque lo ves por YT pero jugandolo y acercando la cámara es otra cosa.
@@leito6807 Dios que haces en cada comentario?
Tan aburrido estas😂😂😂
@@Assasinsmikel y vos me estas siguiendo? 🤦🏻
People need to realize that this Gran Turismo game looks lazy and phoned in at times. Here's the deal, a 2022 game should look miles ahead of anything that came out in 2017. We're talking about a generational leap in hardware capabilities, this is not a generational leap in visuals. At best it's a modest improvement.
And it's not just generational leap, GT7 should have looked better than Forza Horizon 5. The game doesn't render an entire open world, it just renders a very small map with just the track and some trees on the side. I was waiting for it to be a graphical masterpiece but this just looks like a remastered PS3 game. It doesn't even look better than a 5 year old game with literally no next gen option. It's embarrassing.
@@evilburger518 Not exactly the fairest comparison. A PC rig who's graphics card we've no idea of its capability (though must be pretty high-end since we've set the game on 'ultra'), two completely different games and one on this "ultra" rig, another on a 'next-gen' console, that of which will probably be no where near the capability of this PC rig (whether either are capable of Ray Tracing or not). Not exactly sure what we're comparing here, is it to show how impressive GT7 is for rendering its subjects similar to a PC game set on ultra or is it to emphasise FM7's improved graphics but not that far different considering what it's being generated on?
well, driveclub came out in 2014 and looks miles better than these two.
Improvement? Shadows, textures and physics are trash compared to motorsport 7.
@@monke1228 lmao say that to driveclub. a game released almost fkin 8 years ago and still looks better than a 2022 game released for next gen.
Increíble la paliza que le da FORZA MOTORSPORT 7 siendo de 2017 a Gran Turismo 7 siendo supuestamente de nueva generación en 2022.
Me da risa como los fanboys de xbox solo le importan los gráficos y no si el juegos está bueno xd
@@dantesortino5239 Es que el juego no está bien. Más de lo mismo y desfasadísimo.
@@dantesortino5239 viste las colisiones? Eso es simulación, lo de GT es una burla para estos tiempos, tiene el mismo motor de físicas que la versión de psx
@@deaminium hasta un Mario kart tiene mejor sistema de daños
Tengo ambos, y teniendo el GT7 digo jugando el forza motosport, no por ser fanboy ni nada porque gaste dinero en ambos, pero el GT7 decepciona.
No se puede aceptar que un juego de 2016 supere en la mayoria de aspectos a uno de 2022. Inadmisible
Wow forza 7 holds up pretty well. Didnt though it would destroy gt 7 when it comes to rain , reflections , car damage model , smoke effects and shadows. We got to a point where there are minimal graphical improvements between 2017 racing game and 2022 one.
They could argue that GT7 was limited by PS4 but PS4 is more powerful than Xbox one. Still, tun 10 delivers a equal ( or better) 60fps racing game than a game that is 5 years newer, in the newest machine.
@@priscillaasagiri4913 You forgot the PS4 Pro is inferior to Xbox One X. Not only that but FM is being ran on PC.
@@pardolagames8994 is funny because fm7 isn't on pc anymore. so stop using the pc argument with Forza when they took fm7 off pc due to the license expiring ages ago.
@@priscillaasagiri4913 lol GT7 was not limited by ps4 look how well xbox series s is doing this if they want gt 7 to look better there can easy have do that but ps5 is not that powerful as so many playstation fanboys what that to be what do you think pc are doing you can take a 1440p game that looks better end a ps5 game in 4k because of the ps5 low-mid Graphics
It’s insane how bad GT7 is especially compared to a 5 year old game, how on earth did it get the scores that it received?
Because it's a Racing Game, not a Graphic Demo
Its because press is biased!
They are fanatics of Sony and no matter how bad Sony makes a game or product, press will talk wonders about it.
@@GrafAndras a racing game that looks half assed and rushed. Literally everything about it plays like a PS3 game.. demand better
Because it's a playstation game, and such a game can't get bad reviews, even if it's obviously so bad.
@@K7SB It's still a very good racing game with his own special mood and style. If you don't like it, don't play it.
Wasn’t expecting this! Thanks for the videos.
Now to twitter?
@@unknownbytes2874 Hell nooo!!
Considering Forza have 5 years old and looks better in majority of aspects, even with GT7 with Ray Tracing on, that deserves its merits. Can't wait to see the new Motorsport.
I thought this was not true until I played the game on a store few days ago, in a big TV, and this is true. You can see difference there.
hahah a xbox bot
- Forza Motorsport 7 runs on PC with maximum settings. Gran Turismo 7 runs on PS5.
@@madmaster3d So, do you accept that a 5 years old game looks better on a PC than a recent launch game on PS5? Why? Is PS5 not so good enough?
@@NessNoldo consoles games run on medium-high settings. Ultra settings on PC generally looks a bit better than medium and high settings
@@madmaster3d just because is it’s on “ultra settings on a 3090” doesn’t mean it’s going to magically add new textures in a 5 year old game. It’ll just add more frames. Are you people that thick.
Just over a year ago you lot were screaming the ps5 is a PC killer and now you’re saying the ps5 can’t match a 2016 game on a PC. Make it make sense.
@@madmaster3d this is why nobody likes console fanboys.
Finally, an actual graphics comparison between the two.
It took me a while to realize some are saying the GT7 looks worse than Forza Motorsport 7 and Horizon 5. The world detail is much worse looking. But there is no denying that Gran Turismo still has the upper hand when it comes to car models and car culture in general. Also, wtf were those crash sounds in GT7? Non existent. FM7 nails the environments but GT7 nails that car models.
@@JonesBrothersProductionsiac and Forza nails physics and GT nails light and crowds.
@@Robertoilo Nah man. It's GT that nails physics. Forza's physics are crap in comparison
@@Robertoilo forza nails the crash physics while gt nails the driving physics
@@vgnvideogameninja2930 he meant crash physics. Still i dont have any complains with fm 7 handling.
1:24 el reflejo del cristal de las manos del piloto en el volante se ve increíble en forza y en GT ese detalle es inexistente, y eso que se supone que tiene Ray tracing jajaja
que si hijo, escóndete un rato, que bien que defiendes al halo infinite y ahora vienes a tirar mrd para que luego chilles de que le tiren mrd a juegos de xbox
@@FrentonGod callate
Foto de mona de anime = no opinión
Gran Turismo 7 no tiene Ray Tracing cuando juegas, sino para repeticiones, el Café o el garaje.
@@HELLMUTIL lo sé, pero aún así es difícil de creer que un juego de pasada generación maneje mejores reflejos que un juego de 2022 el cula se jacta de tener Ray tracing (mencionando en letras chiquitas que solo se puede disfrutar en el modo foto)
La compartiva debio hacerse con una series x
Thank you so much for this video, I feel like I've been taking crazy pills reading reviews about GT7. People are acting like it has unprecedented visuals but the reality is they are matched (and even exceeded in many cases) by Forza 7. GT7 looks okay, but it is definitely not the true next-gen leap that was expected
I agree. It just felt like something was off about it and now it makes sense.
It’s not a true next Gen leap because it came out on PS4 as well
Well said
No gt7 beats fm7 in everything (except for crash physics). Digital foundry made a video comparison between GTS (ps4 pro) vs FM7( PC max settings) where GTS came out on top with basically everything. And you expect now fm7 to look better then gt7 which is a better version then gts which already beat fm7.
@@nocap5913 yeah this video tells one story. It doesn't show everything. Like the paint is alot more realistic, so paint that doesn't shine as much won't shine as much. So if they wanted to see something that shines more, change the paint because it was proven to be the most accurate. But accuracy doesn't matter. It's like how people look at the track and think forzas is better when GTs is alot more realistic as they're mostly flat roads, there shouldn't be alot of puddle build up on professional courses. Which is why they even talked about how the puddle system works and how it's realistic in comparison to mapping puddles and reflections. People don't appreciate accuracy.
It is truly amazing what Forza Motorsport 7 was able to accomplish almost 5 years ago at this point in time. I have been holding off of spending $70 on GT7 for the PS5, as I am anxiously waiting for FM8. Thanks for the video! Great Quality!
Your entire channel is just Xbox stuff. Highly doubt you actually have a Ps5.
@@splashydiamond :) I don't do Ps5 videos maybe..?
@@Q50BeastTv Dude just say your cbox fan and move on come on no need to drag this on...Plus GT7 better than Forza.
@@Q50BeastTv I've been on twitter for the past 3 weeks and seen that '$70' price tag thrown around as a "gotcha" to Ps players. The fact that you included the price when you could just say you were holding off buying GT7 is a bit sus.
Why don't you tell us your psn, let's see whether you actually own a PS5 or not.
@@jonathnjdm714 I have, and you are correct. I am a fan of what xbox is doing right now for sure. I respect your opinion of the games as I have given my own. Actually surprised anyone even replied to my comment :)
Dios GT 7 queda completamente en ridícula al lado de un juego de hace 5 años!!! Hay se demuestra el cariño y amor con el que hacen todos los Forza Horizon
Gt 7 is cross gen....
Es forza motorsport
el GT7 se ve mejor pero la cámara en tercera persona tan mala y la ausencia de físicas en colisiones hace que en tercera persona se vea feo, pero en primera persona es de lo mejor que hay gráficamente
@@capitansardina6187 GT7 tiene MUCHISIMO detalle en el modelado de coches y pista, si haces zoom con el modo camara se conserva la calidad incluso puedes ver el numero de serie de los faros de tanto detalle que tiene, lo que pasa es que al alejar la camara en 3ra persona es obvio que no se vea los detalles
@@FakeLuisGames lo sé, aún así la cámara en tercera persona está horriblemente diseñada y hace que el juego pierda mucho. La diferencia entre jugar con las cámaras delanteras y la de tercera persona es abismal
Y este FM 7 fue pensado para la generacion pasada de xbox one y aun asi con sus casi 5 años de haber salido supera por mucho al gt 7 que comparte generacion con la ps5. Tambien hay que tomar en cuenta que si este FM7 corre en una pc ultra de aquel entonces no deberia de haber mucha diferencia con una ps5 con arquitectura o tecnologia mas avanzada al igual que una series x. Ahora imaginense como sera el FM 8 que va salir exclusivo de la nueva generacion ....
Cómo lo va a superar no manches!!😆
En triste, la gente dice: a el juego corre en una PC con ultra!! …pero y q? Es un juego q en impacto, panorama, dańo del vehículo y sonido mata ya a GT7, además de ser pensado para una vieja generación, estoy seguro q si le hubieran puesto mas ganas al juego de seguro q en PS5 se hubiera visto muy bien pero puessssss están vaguitos
@@hectorguadarrama5236 FM7 ya supero a GT7 en muchos aspectos si fueran juegos del mismo año y de la misma generación ya GT7 no tendría oportunidad en ningún apartado
si, lo supera pero no porque esté en una pc ultra porque si es asi entonces vamos a correr un juego de ps3 en una rtx 3090 y wow jajajaj, es más merito del esfuerzo y atención al detalle de turn 10
Gt SPORT igual es mejor gráficamente a fm7 y es la misma generación
Después de 6 años de diferencia no me esperaba que casi todo se viera mejor en forza motorsport 7, la iluminación es lo que gana claramente en gran turismo, será cuestión del avance tecnológico, pero esto significa que deberían de haber hecho más con las texturas, igual que también con las físicas, que es horrendo, una pena que en 2022 haya salido el gran turismo así, no han avanzado como debe esta saga, una lástima
Pero si está comparando la versión de PC en ultra, eso es bastante mejoría a comparación si lo juegas en una xbox. Es comparar una PS5 vs PC ultra.
@@unbaneo0 pero lo esta jugando en xbox no? es que se ven los controles de xbox. al menos que tenga control conectado :)
@@unbaneo0 defiendes lo indefendible
@@unbaneo0 pues te equivocas, ya dijo digital foundry, que en one x corría en calidad más alta, que estaba prácticamente igual que en pc, y te aseguro que es así, porqué lo he jugado yo, y no difiera nada de lo que he visto, y ya si llega a poner ciudad, todavía se hubieran visto más las carencias de gran turismo gráficamente, no se porqué no lo hizo
@@unbaneo0 las especificaciones Ultra en juegos de 2017 son inferiores a lo que puede dar de si una ps5
Bueno,con esto creo que se les cae el bulo a todos aquellos que dijeron que el GT7 era tope de gama en juegos de conducción. Un juego de hace 5 años lo ha pisoteado practicamente en todooooooooooooo.
De echo tiene mejores gráficos el gran turismo
@@nero-nw1kb 🙄🙄🙄🙄. Comprate gafas men. Que no estás viendo bien
El Nero va llorando en varios comentarios no le hagas caso, se nota que le duele xd
Solo en graficas y en el sistema de colisiones, en todo lo demás gana Gran Turismo
@@inekoforeveri2549 no niña como me va a doler los comentarios de los fanboys de Xbox los gráficos de gran turismo son más naturales no como ese forza de bajo presupuesto 🤣🤣🤣
Turn10 are tech gods, best in the business! Now imagine Forza Motorsport with 2x development time, no cross gen and using BCpack, mesh shaders, sampler feedback streaming and DirectStorage and sharing tech and assets with Playground. Gt7 has no chance.
"Now imagine Forza Motorsport with 2x development time" well this is coming this year with a new forza motorsport with not 2, but 5 years of development...
@@joaokaduko4816 I think that is what he was trying to get at lol
You're not even talking about DirectML. Making use of that feature with the AI will be an immersive experience
@@kak8895 haven't heard anything about FM8 using DirectML, won't be surprised if they did though. Also Turn10 will most likely use VRS 2.0 which allegedly could boost performance a massive 30-45%.
Me dieron ganas de jugar forza nuevamente!!
Pero no está en la tienda
@@hernandarioromerogoyeneche711 por suerte lo compré antes de que se fuera
@@hernandarioromerogoyeneche711 todavía se puede comprar codigos
Todavia se puede comprar en fisico
@@hernandarioromerogoyeneche711 si en su momento compraste un DLC fuera uno barato te regalaban el juego eso sí fue bonito
Wow I think I'm really surprised by a 5 year old game, overall having the edge here in most scenarios except in photo mode in some cases. Really so much details still missing in gt7 like physics and the car damage model, how it gets dirty is missing in gt7, although the lighting model at night has some advantages in gt7, I like the overall look of Fm7 better. Great job to both developers! I'm excited for F8
@Malitia HD umm no gran turismo has always had horrible driving physics even need for speed 1994 still has better driving physics lol.
These xbots have lost the plot thinking forza arcade driving physics is better than GT7 sim physics lol
@Malitia HD I'm pretty sure Forza has literally all of that. Forza 7 had tire compounds and pressure front/back distribution. It also has aero and accounts for wind resistance. Cars can also go airborne and flip over (I don't think cars can flip in GT). It also has car damage model. Where are you getting your info about Forza 7? It sounds like you've never played or owned.
It's running on a £3000 Nivifia RTX 3090 on ultra high setting which consoles don't even have..
GT7 on the date GPU would be significantly superior. Despite it, the £450 console and GT7 is still thrashing Forza on a PC with the best GPU on the market
@Malitia HD yeah ok that's why with you hit a wall there's no reaction or damage model on gt7.
It's no surprise that Forza Motorsport 7 and GT sport graphically still holds up very well but they always did in truth , does make u wonder how the new Forza Motorsport will look considering how long it's taken .GT 7 looks incredible so it's all eyes on turn 10 to see if they can deliver an epic racer to rival GT .
Simcade vs simcade...cool I guess.
gt7 doesnt look incredible. it looks awful for the time and technology we have. physics are also trash
@@naterod yes a great genre
@@arminius504 yeah if all you have is console
@@naterod acc is on consoles except Iracing I can't think of any other games
Increíble lo mal parado que deja el Forza al gran turismo en cuanto al apartado visual, y eso que se trata de un juego ya algo viejo. Una lastima que no hayan comprado una licencia mas larga para el uso de los autos, pues ahora el juego es incomprable por culpa de eso.
Solo queda esperar la monstruosidad que será el Forza Motorsports 8.
Todavía quedan webs con keys del juego para comprar.
Forza, eterno hijo de gran turismo apesar de los graficos...
@@ApoQChile Cierto, no recordaba las keys, pero aun así, dejando las keys de lado, el juego ya no se puede comprar de manera oficial en la tienda de Xbox.
El gran turismo se basa en el foto realismo.
Estas claro de k la comparación es en computadora y gt7 en consola
Comparamos un juego de 2022 con uno de hace un lustro y aún así sale perdiendo, que vergüenza Sony.
Mas bien comparemos un juego en pc ultra con sus parches correspondientes vs un juego en ps5. Y aun asi hay cosas que es mejor el de ps5.
@@eternaldreamspro estoy de acuerdo, en precio insuperable 80€ PvP y micropagos por un tubo
@@carlosbaeza7517 cuando te sales por la tangente 🤣🤣🤣🤦🏻♂️
@@jhaudyrivera4689 GT7 es indigno para las capacidades de la nueva generación, cuando salga Forza 8 vais a ver la verdad
@@eternaldreamspro Secate las lagrimas y dilo sin llorar!🤣🤣🤣
Eu ainda tenho o Forza 7 instalado no meu PC, por sorte. O jogo saiu da loja, mas ainda posso jogar esse magnífico jogo!
Both looks good but I would expect more from GT on ps5. And at the same time such a good work to make forza looks like that many years ago,
I actually didn't expect more of gt7 since its clearly been aimed for ps4, more than sure it runs on the same engine as gt sport
Much better fm7.
Imagine fm8.....
？
@@4.4magnum you clearly didn’t watch this video, FM is leagues ahead
Lol
Let GT7 release on PC first. Console games run on low medium settings. PC on max is always has superior gfx. Look at CP2077
@K7 SB No it’s not. Gran turismo looks better in 90% of these shots
Strange to see that GT7 in promo videos really looked nextgen. But looking at the gameplays its just ok/nice. Compared with FM7 and GT7 is like what? Waiting for some new FM8 content. ☺️ Thanks for the video. 😉
5 year old game beating my brand new PS5 game… 😭
@@saucyx4 gt7 is not a ps5 it’s technically a ps4 game ported to the ps5 with some upgrades
@@Angelowalker. ohhhhh still.
In GT 7 ray tracing is not available during races, so that's a huge letdown. As a result it looks super realistic in replay mode and photo mode at times, but during races, it just doesn't look as good as it is expected to.
this is why forza is the best racing game
No, this is not why, but yes it is indeed.
Y el 8 será una locura... 4.5 años más viejo que gt7 y se ve mejor...
En pc sera una lokuta en xbox sera la misma basura de siempre mira este forza7 en ultra y se ve peor
Como lloran los sonyer jsjs.
@@nmm7449 jajajajaja si claro campeón, mira... No se te nota que te arde que un juego de varios años es mejor que el gt7 no todo es graficos, pero el gt7 es un juego que salió muy baratejo y lo venden a 80 dolares, a parte de ser un insulto para sus consumidores es un robo y Digital Foundry me la pela, no saben nada, hasta varios desarrolladores de juegos los han expuesto que sus analisis son falsos, que dicen que los juegos tienen resolución dinámica cuando no es así, ellos cuando los descubren solo borran el video y como que no ha pasado nada, ps5 está sacando juegos buenos pero muy baratejos y es la verdad, no me importa si te duele o no pero es la verdad hijo.
@@nmm7449 no le estoy tirando hate, el juego es baratejo y es la verdad, y estaba en mi hora de almuerzo del trabajo, es el único momento donde puedo leer tu estupido comentario, seguí llorando. Me da igual si le va bien a gt7,yo un favor les hago a ustedes, exijan mas calidad en sus juegos, no sean conformistas
@Chuy VGZ no lo defiendo a ese Man solo digo que el forza solo se enfocan en los gráficos después es un juego de carreras re normal xd
Prime example of comparing apples to oranges. Why wouldn’t they simply show a series x running this? Or a PC configured to run Forza at similar settings to the PS5.
Both games look fantastic!
And both games have something that makes them better than the other game.
But the fact that Forza is already over 4 years old and just looks better than GT7 in places is extremely impressive!!!
It's looks worse compare to gt sport and 7 , lol u must be blind if u saying this
@@Soc1alpers0n I didn't say that everything looks better in Forza.
Read my comment correctly before you get insulting....
There are things that are better in GT7 and there are things that are better in Forza 7....
And it's even more impressive since Forza 7 is already over 4 years old.
I'm definitely not blind!!!
But I rather think you're just a fanboy, and that's why you go straight to insulting....
@@Soc1alpers0n You didn't even watch the video lol. FM7 has the edge in most of the comparisons.
well gtsport is also over 4 years old and has the same advantages in terms of graphics to FM7 that gt7 has but with a significant generation gap. And I think both gtsport and fm7 will hold pretty well graphically even when fm8 comes out.
Yeah both teams work miracles with their graphics, only fanboys say otherwise.
El sistema de daños del gt7 es lo más lamentable que he visto en mi vida, por no hablar de la 3.ª persona, dios mío que horror.
Your name explains that
Si hermano nose por q tan fea esa camara pense q era el unico xd
@@SolarErazer My name is the one I choose, reality is reality, another thing is that you don't want to see it.
Yo diría que el juego es más para jugarlo en primera persona más que en tercera pero igual deberia tener 2 tipos de cámaras en tercera persona como en forza
@@dantesortino5239 Lo normal, en este tipo de juego son varias cámaras, y que estas sean decentes, tema aparte las físicas, o sea, vas a todo trapo ,te estrellas y lo único que hace el coche es pararse de golpe, por no decir la sensación de velocidad, totalmente nula, hasta las marcas del suelo al derrapar, que también son inexistentes, daños al entorno y el coche nulos, efectos del clima ufff.
Le podría sacar mil fallos más, pero es que cansa.
Cara eu sendo apaixonado ou não pela franquia Forza qualquer um vê claramente que a qualidade do Forza é muito superior a qualidade do Gran Turismo, kkkkkkk E olha que a gente tá falando de um Forza motorsport 7 que já é antigo o game😉😁
Imagina quando vier o novo forza motorsport 8
Ai depois os fanboys de Gran Turismo falam que o Forza é muito inferior que o que o Gran Turismo kk
Ambos execelentes games , forza tem alguns detalhes gráficos melhores mesmo , o gran turismo 7 tem a vantagem no modo carreira que é superior e o modo online, mas novo forza motorsport vem prometendo um online a altura e muito mais
@@linekker1 Realmente
tenho PS5, mas Forza esta dando uma surra no GT faz tempo. Infelizmente não vem para o meu console. Até me animaria jogar jogo de carro, mas ai teria que investir no G29 ou semelhantes hehe.
Até cogitei comprar XsX. Mas se pa ir para um PC ano que vem com uma 4060, ou 4070 que vai dar um grau em relação aos consoles 5 e X
Un juego de la anterior generación aplasta a GT7, es para flipar
Dios, las "físicas" 6:04
Lo chistoso es que el efecto de luz que sale desde los focos de los vehiculos es mejor en GT7, pero la interaccion de esa luz con los otros autos o con el medioambiente es mejor en FM7
Lo que se ve extraño e irreal en ambas versiones (1:48) es que en FM7 el vehiculo no tenga potencia en los focos pero en el pavimento se ve reflejada una luz muy potente. Y en GT7 el vehiculo tenga unos focos con una luz poderosisima pero en el pavimento casi no se ve reflejado nada
Xd
Lo chistoso es que un juego de hace unos cuantos años mas el desarrollo se ve mejor que uno actual
@@oskiodin21oo3 que este en PC y en ultra ayuda también
@@fraleon4735 a un si lo pusieras al minimo el forza se veria mejor 😅
@@fraleon4735 aún así están comparando juegos con más de 4 años de diferencia.
La calidad Ultra de un juego del 2016/17 debe ser menor a lo que pueda ofrecer una PS5 actualmente
Finally , a comment section where no one is bashing on either games.
i get it that GT7 doesn't look as much as impressive as FM7
but both games are really great none the less.
I play both franchises and each has their pros and cons. I feel like the overall driving experience is better in Gran Turismo, but the physics and damage model are a step ahead in Forza.
Well in GT you will get penalized for purposely crashing, and doing that reverse on track like every kid on forza does. So that’s why they don’t put much into the damage model, cause no one tries to find out. I played GT7 on PS5 and it’s very challenging took me at least 9 tries to get a S License in the game.
@@KydraExhale lame excuse there needs to be a model regardless if they are penalized or not
Would be nice if the chase camera on Gran Turismo was set to close up and have the rotation sensitivity set to 0 so that the camera is similar to the one in Forza. Seems that people don't like the GT default one, though it's definitely the more practical one.
Exactly 💯
You can change that in the game.....
@@f.hegerfeldt128 yea that's what I mentioned.
I disagree, on hairpins like the one in Suzuka after the 2 degners, you can see cars poking or coming up alongside the rear of your car on FM, so you know a cars nose is next to your rear bumper on Forza. With the static camera of GT, you’ve got no clue because the camera doesn’t show those angles, you’ve only got the radar map. I don’t get this comment, how can limited spatial awareness be a good thing in car racing games? 🥴
@@ashdog236 the thing is, if you get that close to an other player in forza, you will experience the sticking effect, that doesnt happen in gt7, so its mostly fine and you can figure it out based on the car size aswell, not that it matters that much because most people that play gt7 for racing will use the inside or hood or roof cameras, most people that use the outside cameras wont do any serious racing.
Easily the best comparison out there..great work
Forza Win
Brutality!!
Un juego de 2017 con mejores gráficos que uno de 2022. Prepárense cuanda salga el Forza Motorsport NEXT GEN.
12:08 acaso ves mejor el FM7 que el GT7?
Dios hay que ser muy fanboy
Además de que en la conducción y contenido el Gran Turismo ha sido muy superior al Forza Motorsport
@Daniel Ortega amigo hay que ser un lambebotas de Xbox para no admitir que Gran Turismo es mejor que Forza Motorsport 7, los gráficos no son todo en un videojuego, Gran Turismo literalmente lo aplasta en jugabilidad, en modelado de los coches, en modos de juego, en contenido jugable, en la libertad de personalización, en las opciones de Modificación, en el sistema de edición, tiene más pistas, tiene más competiciones, tiene un online mas activo, tiene un online mas competitivo y es mínimamente mas realista
Y eso no lo digo yo, literalmente hay Simracers profesionales que respaldan mi opinión, o dime tu cuando has visto a algún Simracers jugar al Forza Motorsport de forma competitiva?
Debo aceptar que Forza ha evolucionado mejor que Gran Turismo pero aún no lo supera en todos los aspectos, Forza solo es superior es Graficos, MotionBlur, Autos y sistema de colisiones, en todo lo demás gana por bastante Gran Turismo
@@ariasgamingcr 1:50
@@ariasgamingcr 😂tampoco defiendas lo indefendible,ya que te la pasas comentandolo mismo en varios comentarios, no soy de ningún bando ,pero este gt ,es un juego a medio terminar .
La gente decidira si prefiere gráficos, o una simulación
Lo único que nos queda es disfrutar los juegos
Ya salio FM8 y le pone una tremenda follada visualmente a FM7... y ya ni te digo de GT7, que no puede ni competir con Forza 7.
Forza M7 is only optimized for Xbox One/X while GT7 is optimized for PS5 and yet it looks worse, we know Forza Horizon already surpassed FM7 so just imagine FM8 lol
It's also on PS4...
@@PolYGameforza horizon 5 is also on Xbox one
Que triste que un juego de hace 5 años le pegue semejante verguiza a un juego "Next Gen" que a duras penas en modo foto con RTX le puede hacer competencia, ya en lo jugable habra que ver, pero técnicamente que decepción y nada de lloriqueos de "lo están corriendo en PC" que una PC de hace 5 años debería ser inferior a una consola next gen
How can a 2017 game be so superior to a 2022 game???
Because Turn10 are on a different level to Polyphony Digital. They have been for the since Forza 2
Because the engine Forza uses is years ahead of Gran Turismo. FM8 will without a doubt, be one of, if not the most beautiful looking race game when it releases.
How is this possible. Gran Turismo has only better car lights. Everything else is worse.
1:20 you can definitely see the reflection of the driver in the windshield on forza 7
I have both games and they are both my favourites for racing, and race with a Fanatec direct drive setup. The real differences come down to gameplay. GT7 has a better career mode. FM7 is a little more immersive, career mode is still excellent, just more to do in GT7. Can’t wait to see what the new FM8 (Motorsport game) will have for us.
The career in gt7 is embarrassingly short what are you talking about
How is the gt7 career mode better when they have 2 lap races and no proper racing categories 😂
I thought the Career in FM7 was pretty stinky in my opinion. The main reason why I choose the Horizon titles instead but that’s just my thoughts.
@@MrYogurtExists why didn’t you like the career mode in fm7?
@@anthonypeterson42 I thought it was more of a, “hey, here are some fun scenarios to do!” Instead of a, “race to become a legend,” type of thing. Just made the game feel much more casual than it should have been. But Car bowling still has to be the greatest thing in the history of racing video games, it’s just that it feels more of like a bonus game mode than a main game mode. Even the serious game modes were too short for my liking which I was a bit disappointing. That’s just my opinion though. I still had many memories with the game though.
5:55 me parece una vergüenza lo de GT7, en pleno 2022 tener esas fisicas es inadmisible, Forza 7 le da un repaso en casi todos los aspecto, y salio hace 5 años, no quiero ni imaginar la paliza que le dara Forza Motorsport 8 que sale este año.
Nada que ver no sabes nada de apartado visual
Este nones el gt 7, es el gt sport que vergüenza dan quienes tratan de engañar a la gente solo por que los siguen algunos fans de una pltaforma
La conducción es muy superior en Gran Turismo, también los modos de juego, el contenido jugable, el sistema de personalización, el sistema de modificaciones, el sistema de Penalizaciones, el Online, la competitividad
@@Hazer200 losiento pero no puedo tomar enserio a alguien que se de like a su propio comentario
@@nero-nw1kb bro no entendí. Quien le dio like a su propio comentario?
Lo unico en lo que vi mejor a GT7 es en la iluminacion de los faros, en todo lo demas es que gana por paliza FM7, vergűenza les deberia de dar seguirse llamando "The real driving simulator" porque ese juego sobretodo en las fisicas (que parecen de juego movil) no tiene nada de realista.
Si, solo la iluminación con RT es su fuerte, en especial en los faros, lástima que durante el gameplay las sombras no se proyectan como deberían incluso en un entorno nocturno
Nada que ver no saben nada a apartado visual
Hablan de las físicas solo por el sistema de colisiones pero la conducción es bastante más realista la de GT7 que la de FM7
Lo dice alguien que seguro ni Playstation tiene y mucho menos a jugado un Gran Turismo en su vida... Pfff. Los físicos de GT están muy por encima que Forza. De hecho la sensación de velocidad es la correcta en Gran Turismo aunque cierta gente prefiera esa velocidad irreal de forza
@@forevernow4 Qué las físicas están correctas en GT7? Ah si, es que en la vida real el pit-maneuver hace que te quedes enganchado en el auto y en vez de hacerlo trompear, también se me olvidaba que al estrellarte de frente tu coche mantiene las 4 ruedas el 100% del tiempo haciendo contacto con el piso
Muy mejor FM7. Imagine el FM "8"
This year FM8 are coming
@minesauriorex creo que el quiso decir mucho mejor xD, no lo juegues ya que puede ser un niño y suelen escribir así, tranquilo que en el argumento del comentario tiene toda la razón
Gráficamente veo muy superior a forza en casi todos los aspectos comparados en el video, raro que un Gt en 2022 no esté mejor inclusive que esté Forza 7 que ya tiene sus años. Toca esperar a jugar FM8 en Series X para ver cómo sigue la evolución.
O que eu vi foi um RT bem porco,e um jogo passado superando em vários momentos os gráficos do GT7
¿Seguro que viste el video completo? Forza mató a GT aunque sea un juego antiguo
Neh en series x , neh mejor en pc :D.
@@gustavopietro4526 como? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@pedroirles8918 ¿Como asi? no ves? El GT que tiene Ray Tracing tiene reflejos horribles, los charcos de agua no reflejan nada jajaja, el cielo en el GT está congelado, la cámara está trabada detrás del auto, los choques no tienen realismo y la vista trasera no tiene sombra. no puedes ver??? Le daría a esta porcaria un 6 y siendo muy amable.
I'm a Gran-Turismo fan all the way ever since my childhood of playing GT3 and GT4 but this Forza is very good too !!!
uff ansias de ver el nuevo Forza Motorsport 8 con el poder de Series X
Si pusiste atención que la comparación la hacen contra Forza pero corriendo en PC? 😅🤦🏻♂️
@@jhaudyrivera4689 y? El Forza 7 en series X es increíble.
@@jhaudyrivera4689 Hate triado por tirar, One X corre Forza Motorsport 7 con ajustes gráficos equivalentes a Graficos en Ultra en PC, solo cambia el antialiasing, ahora es un juego que no exprime series x y es un juego de hace 4.5 años y si no me crees de los ajustes graficos solo busca en digital foundry.
si asi como se ve halo infinite tremendo power😂
@@jhaudyrivera4689 no Xbox one X roda igual PC no ultra
Forza MotorSport 7 looks better, but although she is almost 5 years old, and Grand Turismo 7 came out not long ago
Forza Motorsport 7 best !! 2017 Vs 2022
Forza Motorsport 7 in 2017, is the clear winner!
For someone looking forward to next year's Forza Motorsport game and wanting a comparison between it and Gran T this is an amazing video!
Edit. Just wow! How does a five year old FM look even better than a BRAND NEW GT game? And I can't imagine how unbelievable the new FM will look next year with ray tracing too! Wow its gonna be insane!
GT 7 had PS2 era physics. Just look at 06:04. That's not 'next gen' despite how great the game looks
Looks so boring
Lol. Thanks for sharing this. That's pathetic. You smash the barrier and just stop?
it's awesome to see completely different devs with different engines, each focusing/prioritizing some elements over others, etc both resulting in awesome looking racers in their own way...all the stupid back and forth hate on either side needs to stop...both will also only improve with their next entry dropping the previous gen and their previous entry as the foundation doing more from scratch
Both of them look great
Few days ago i've played FM7 on the France's Le Man track, and almost immediately after - the same track, but in GT7. Honest opinion: in FM7 (and even FM6) this track looks better. During the rain especially.
Same thing with Spa and Brands Hatch. Don't get me wrong - GT7 looks pretty, but damn those 5-7 years old XBOX ONE era games still holding their own!
Se lo come en todo Forza, las texturas de la carretera, los efectos ambientales, la sensación de conducir es que es todo, gran turismo no ha cambiado nada.
GT7 parece un juego de hace dos generaciones 🤷♂️
Has jugado?
Estas ciego?
@@henrygonzalez5314 una vergüenza el trabajo de polyphony y encima te lo cobran a 80 pavos, insultante
Hay que decir que la resolución no t8ene xq destacar como puños la textura del asfalto, que son pneumáticos para carretera,no para un camino de cabras esfaltado,aunque sí, se ve más bonito en apariencia todo el asfalto bien remarcado.
Y pensar que el forza motorsport 7 lo estaban casi regalando (Unos $8 dólares) hace unos meses porque ya no lo iban a poder seguir vendiendo en la store, por el tema de las licencias de las marcas de los coches.
Qué pena que no me decidí a comprarlo. Un verdadero juegazo.
Bueno no sufras mucho, en un par de años como mucho sale el nuevo Motosport con motor gráfico basado en el nuevo Unreal Engine 5, madre mía como se va a ver eso....
@@jocantaroisgaming879 el Forza motorsport usará el Forza Engine, el mismo que usa MFS2020 o Fable
This is the proof we needed to showcase how having made GT7 a cross-gen title really ended up affecting it visually.
Not a really good thing to do, since there's a clear technical difference between Horizon Forbiden West of PS4/Pro and PS5
@@cubetamalvada893 not really. The performance mode is a huge letdown. Nobody cares how good 30fps look
It looks significantly worse than Forza 7 which is a 5-year-old game. Cross-gen is not an excuse. Series S and X didn't even exist then.
If GT7 was never going to be made exclusively for PS5... PD are too lazy, that's why they picked cross gen, that's their excuse for the visuals not looking good without raytracing.
alguién ah mencionado, que las nubes de FM7 se mueven y son dinámicos? en GT7 son estáticos...parecen fotos nada más.
Es que son de cartón 😂 🤣
De hecho las nubes en FM7 son dinámicas, lucen muy realistas y la verdad se nota la diferencia contra GT7
@@nmm7449 yo en lo personal no he visto muchos gameplays del juego GT7 pero si jugué FM7 y el clima dinámico es maravilloso, supongo que la diferencia real es que en FM7 usan nubes volumétricas diferentes a GT7 y de ahí la diferencia.
@@nmm7449 JaJaJaJa a llorar a la cueva 🤣
@@nmm7449 No hay peor ciego que el que no quiere ver ...conoces ese dicho? Las pruebas están en ese vídeos..las nubes son de cartón como todo el juego pero tu 1mb3c1L como buen fanboy de la Plastilina5 niegas la realidad 🤣😂..
Make a comparison on GT7 and Driveclub.
Especially on weather effects.
Ex sim racer here. Iracing for 5 years along with GTR, GTR2 , Race 07 , GT Legends, Project cars and many more. I always have a good laugh when I see physics debates here in the comments. Sorry to say but although both games are fun to drive they are no simulation racing game. Physics are basic and fun and I have FM7 , FH4 AND 5 and do like them on a wheel. Tire models feels fun and basic stuff like trail braking and other technics work but I can still feel canned effects in them. FH5 is the best of the 3 and feels fun but its not high res physics. So no , save the debates because neither are sims. SIM cade only nothing more.
In my console one x with ssd forza run it 4k and 60 fps! Very love my console and now don't needed nextgen, I from Ukraine, now in my region war, Ukraine winning!
Napoleon and Hitler couldn't beat Russia but Ukraine is winning?
@@redfirefox3568 Yeap, I leave here and see much more than you see in tv
@@АлександрЛогвинов-ь4ы I'll come back to you in a month and we'll see. I don't watch tv propaganda.
@@АлександрЛогвинов-ь4ы Stay safe btw
@@redfirefox3568 If you don’t watch the news I’m talking about, not propaganda, then read history and then write nonsense about the victory of the USSR over fascism, they won only thanks to the USA and Britain, they received huge lend-leases, otherwise they would have fallen very quickly before writing nonsense, look at historical facts
At 2:06 even with RT on it’s not that impressive compared to MS7. Overall the lighting is toned down especially compared to MS. It looks more showy than anything, being filled with lens flare and the like. Overall disappointing, especially considering the hardware.
Haz la comparativa de Gran Turismo 7 vs Driveclub, por favor. 👌🏻
Eso me interesa un montón. También quiero verlo 🔥
I know that GT7 is having ray tracing support, but I think they depends too much on it, that when turned off, there's almost no reflection on wet road, making it a bit low quality....
Since I've only had the PS4 version, well.....
GT7 only has ray tracing during replays though, and in 3D scenes
@@FloppyFiona well, I know that, and that I mean they're only rely on RT, like when there's no RT, there'd be almost no reflection
@@horizon_angel gtsport has more reflections in the rain than gt7. It's just that in real life, the track doesn't look like a mirror, if the track would be that covered in water, like in fm7, the conditions would be too undrivable. I too think that rain looks better on fm7 but it's incredibly unrealistic, gt7 could go balls out on reflections, but with it's new physics model which simulates metereologically accurate clouds and weather, better tyre model, and dynamic time, they bumped up realism than what is considered aesthetically pleasing. Sim racers are having a good time playing gt7 albeit not all but it is really impressive for a game that introduces absolute newbies to car culture (probably arcade racing game players) to a more realistic driving experience and, a more frustrating one. A definite stepping stone to hardcore sim racing games like iracing, assetto corsa and the competitive world of esports.
The graphics are stunning in a lot of scenarios but come on PD what the fuck are those textures??????
Forza is amazing .. Motorsport and horizon and people still choose other games just cos they in the business longer 😂 ... This video is proof Forza has been killing it ever since and alot of people doesn't give it that much credit
bcs forzas experience is worste over time than gt7. it has to do with racing descipline
People who says that forza is better are simply coping for it, Forza in somes cases does look better but overall GT7 impressive more with density and lookness of it yeah I invented that word right now!! Some people haven't seen GT7 on a oled with in screen mode it basically looks like real life 90% of the time! To me Gt7 looks better but I can too accept that other people think forza m7 is better!
Having played both GT7 feels more next gen, maybe its the dualsense etc i dont know but this does show how good FM7 is and suggests FM8 will be incredible, as its next gen only. Polyphony should have done the same - ie; build a whole new engine for next gen.
What does Duelsense offerin racing game that is not possible with Xbox One controller?
If you mean feeling brakes and traction through triggers: It was already available in FM5 (2013) and FH2 Xbox One version (2014).
@@UltraCasualPenguin i think coupled with haptic feedback it makes for pretty decent experience, and the adaptive triggers are a little more advanced to the vibration in the xbox one controllers, although they were great at the time
@@burnsyblues So basically nothing.
@@UltraCasualPenguin umm no it offers a lot more than an xbox one controller, sorry are you being serious ? You’ve clearly never used a dualsense or played a PS5, such comments just display ignorance and is not the most intelligent approach to a debate
@@burnsyblues List all things you can feel in RACING GAME only with Duelsense.
I own both of these games, I played Forza 7 maxed out on a high end PC and play GT7 on ps5.
Both look amazing and each have their strengths and weaknesses.
Overall the driving physics in GT7 are superior to Forza and the lighting and car models are the best I have seen in a driving game which makes GT7 feel more photorealistic overall.
Forza 7 has a more arcade feel to it in comparison to GT7. Also the HDR implementation in GT7 is superb.
I wish though GT7 would improve on the lod management crossing, make the transition between high level of detail and further out level of detail a more smooth gradiant transition instead of this clear invisible wall when things pop in high detail level. It is much better then in GT sport, but there is room for improvement.
Forza does lod management in a less intrusive way, at least on PC and uses Photogrammetry for the surroundings more effectively which make the enviroments look better in parts.
Especially the Dubai track is a stunner.
Anway both games look great, play great and come highly recommended if you are into driving games.
Can´t wait for Forza 8 as Horizon 5 is the best looking open world racer on the market today, I love what Turn 10 Studios does with Photogrammetry.
FM8 is going to look amazing, the track environments are really going to set it apart from GT7 with the photogrammetry like you say. I just hope turn10 can match GT7 when it comes to the car models themselves and get the lighting right
@@BOKtober Agree, Forza 8 will look fantastic coming off Horizon 5.
A racing game with GT7 car models, physics, HDR implementation and realistic Lighting paired with Forzas Enviroments/Photogrammetry and damage model would be the perfect racing game.
sorry man, photorealistic is not what anybody is seeing...it literally looks last gen, be honest at least. i have heard many people talk about the physics as arcady from numerous sim racers
Hmm, to me Forza looks far better in pretty much every category except grass, but even then Forza manages to make it look better with dirt separating it from the road. I love me some GT though because the simulation is so good.
Forza Motorsport 7 is also 5 years older than GT7 and looks that good.
Sure FM7 has higher res textures and maybe better effects. But the color tones and post processing in GT7 are just so much richer and natural. The presentation is very polished and particular, the developers went more for realism which i appreciate
Ye agree on that definitely
Incorrect. Turn10 used color toners for real circuit in the game to match tones, hues etc. Your L, sir🤡
Brand new gen game should look far superior than a 5 year old game and it just doesn’t.
It's shocking that GT 7 clouds looks like 2d bit map, while forza is geometry. Man Turn 10 is talented as hell, they faked a lot of reflection and shadows and it all holds up.
Damn Forza actually still holds up!!
No entiendo como dicen que GT7 es excelente, un juego de generación pasada lo supera en texturas, detalles y fisicas.
En GT7 parece ser que solo se enfocaron en dualsense y la iluminación (sin contar el RT)
GT still plays like a PS2 game in pretty much every area apart from it's visuals.
Also I believe that FM7 on Xbox One X or Series X(BC) is pretty much identical to the PC version apart from the reflections refresh update to 60fps instead of 30fps.
Xbox series x updated code of the game is basically pc Ultra settings at 4k 60, and yes I think the reflection might still be 30 fps on it lol.
@@ibrohiem There's no updated code for Series X, only for One X and that's what it runs on Series X.
@@PlayLifeX It runs at 4k 60fps on One X. I have One X and I am a testament to that.
@@mcdadlouis4550 I know the overall game runs at 60fps but the reflections on cars do not update at 60fps on consoles, they update at 30fps and that's pretty much the main difference btw PC and One X/Series X (BC) version.
2:41 ¿Porque pones el modo foto? a quien carajos le importa... si cuando juegas no vas a estar todo el rato metido en el modo foto, aunque intentes manipular que ya lo has hecho con otros juegos, todos saben que el forza motorsport 7 o el forza horizon 5 se siguen viendo mejor hasta John Linneman de digital foundry dijo que Gran Turismo 7 parecía que tuviera gráficos de ps3, así que deja de manipular.
Forza Horizon 5 выглядит отлично при большом открытом мире. Я представляю, как мощь движка проявится на закрытых трассах в следующем Мотоспорте. Думаю будет выглядеть круто.
Новая forza Motorsport 8 она же перезапуск forza Motorsportуже вышла.
I'm a PS gamer, and the graphics in Forza are fantastic! But this comparison should have been done on consoles, not PC.
I mean, it's to compare on the highest graphics possible, and the only option is high end PC now
Forza horizon 5 on series x graphically beats both,so let's not bring the PC into this.gt7 is using old tech from the PS3 era,it's actually quite behind the times tbh
Agree and it looks just as amazing in Xbox one X. Remember it's a5 year old game. They run at near identical settings.
Probably the only hardware the video maker has to show FM7. Remember it released on PC
Gt7 looks okay but those physics are a joke forza is way more refined in every level, gt7 plays like a 20 year old game with modern graphics
Forza motorsport 7 es superior. No me quiero imaginar el próximo forza motorsport next gen.
@Diego Falcón en mi opinión gana forza
En mi opinión lo único destacable del GT7 es el nivel de atención al detalle al momento de recrear los coches, los autos en Forza carecen de muchos detalles presentes en GT, sin embargo en términos generales Forza es muy superior...
Pero que hablas si en GT7 parecen de juguete los coches que ni se mueven las ruedas al girar etc
En Forza ha sido todo siempre superior, solo mira cuants categorias a carreras llevan ganando desde 2004
En cambio GT ni una, o se lo llevan los Forza o Asseto u otros
Yo si creo que debe haber partes en que tengan mejor modelado, pero lo que quiero es que marquen la parte de la comparación o digan en dónde es mejor
Por ejemplo así de simple 7:45 aquí yo pienso que la llanta en gran turismo parece ponchada porque traspasa el suelo.
5:44 vs 6:18 las colisiones son mejores en forza.
Me refiero, no es muy difícil decir de dónde sacas lo que dices y no solo decirlo porque si pues
Pero estas comparando juegos que tienen 5 años de diferencia, claramente los coches van a tener mas poligonos en GT7.
@@nmm7449 Y eso que tiene que ver?Lo importante es quien gana mas premios etc
Y GT no gana ni uno, Forza si
Eso demuestra quien es superior
Forza looks so much better not to mention it's half a decade older 😯