The soldering element in this video I've found extremely helpful and will put into practise tomorrow. I've done a few poor jobs that have made it work but this video has been key for me. Thank you for the demo! One reason I love this channel. Keep up the good work. Thanks Chris
gf37419 Cheers Chris! I like to do some ‘how to’ videos as well as layout updates. It’s better than endless self promotion and exhibition videos that are all over RUclips. Sharing my modelling and my techniques is what I enjoy. Dave
@@DeanPark it's worked a treat with my 47791. Double iphone speaker and legoman chip in. Sounds great . . . If you like 47s . . . Biased 37 man myself, but the sound is brilliant. Will have to watch the depot build in closer detail once I get my Buxton shed. Cheers Dave and Merry Xmas.
What an improvement Dave, makes a big difference from the basic speaker that is supplied with these decoders. I put an uprated speaker in one of my 37s fuel tanks a while ago and was really impressed with it.
Flux pen now ordered and I purchased eight sound units, direct from Rail Exclusive. Much cheaper than Peter's Spares. Thanks for your help and keep uploading, informative videos.
Hi Dave, With new people starting in the hobby all the time it’s really very helpful to see how to solder, use shrink wrap and add a different speaker. It makes a big difference. Thanks. I’m sure Hunt Couplings would help on your HST 125 too. Regards, Jim
Jim Ross hi thanks. With regard to soldering; in this video I put a little solder on the tip of the soldering iron. I only ever do this when im doing a tiny wee job, like wiring very thin and delicate connections. If you are soldering normal stuff like wires to track you shouldn’t put solder on the iron for too long , but instead place the solder at the joint, bring in the iron to quickly melt the solder. If it’s got flux on it then it’ll flow into the joint and attach.
The sound is so much better now Dave. I will sure try that out when I get my power cars fitted. Been on my list a while now to buy the TTS chips for them. Also like your flux pen I never saw one of those before.
Thanks for that Dave, I’ve just finished installing my Valenta TTS decoders into my original 253 001. I was wondering about changing the speakers, so your video is very timely, did you read my mind ? 🤣 I’ll be ordering some speakers from Peter’s Spares right away !
I rated the TTS Valenta chips with their existing speakers but the Rex speakers really make a difference. You can actually hear the diesel rather than just the turbocharger. Thanks for doing the video, I'll be doing the same upgrade myself on this basis. PS, glad you pointed out the Rex speaker can fit the old speaker cavity in the power car! Excellent and informative video.
Hi Dave, great sound with the upgrade. May try them with the MTU chips in my FGW set. Hope they will fit the driven power car as it's the type with the fan and space is apparently tight. Regards and maybe see you at Warley as I'm hoping that there will be a U.tubers gathering again. Bobby 'T'.
Robert Temple hi, there should be space... you might want to cut out the ribs /screw brackets inside the original speaker enclosure so that the new rail exclusives one sits lower. I did that in this to get it sitting even lower... it’s a 5 min job to the black plastic enclosure with a craft knife. I plan to be at warley but prefer to enjoy the show and wander around. the meet ups are good for some, but I don’t plan on it as I’m with friends and it would be rude to abandon them. If you see me, be sure to say hi... I like meeting others as I walk around while enjoying the show :-)
Been using these speakers since they were released to convert not just TTS sound locos but premium sound locos too, and I have to say they are superb all round. You should try the class 47 Zimo sound decoder Rail Exclusive sell, it's a Paul Chetter sound file and it sounds awesome. I've bought a couple now, 1 for a Bachmann 47 and the other for a ViTrains 47 and at £99 which includes a stay alive too, it's a bargain for a premium sound decoder. I'll be buying more for my other 47's... Mark.
That's a much better sounds Dave, and it captures the Valenta 'Scream' very well, all that was missing was the heavy Clagg associated with those engines....Also enjoyed the Soldering session as well....Bob
Hi dave another great video mate love the sound from the hst mate i am about half way with the class89 loco mate it is going well Dave goodbye for now Clive
Hi dave Brill video as always and the speaker replacement is a massive better difference. But is it me or is the valenta scream from the turbo to me dosnt sound right or kicks in far to early???. Peter from birmingham
southway1943 hi. Yeah the turbo can be out of sync.. this is a TTS decoder and isn’t as good as a full blow loksound decoder. Still they’re bot too bad for the money :-) Cheers.
Nice upgrade, that made a huge difference in the sound. I also like the no clean flux pen. Where did you get that? Could you provide a link? Thanks for sharing. Ken
Hi Ken, thanks for getting in touch to give your views on the sound upgrade. The flux pen....just google it. I got this last one at an exhibition. However Rapid Electronics have them too. Cheers. Dave
hi nice video my question is do you give your power cars the same address or are they individual addressed and run as a consist and which is best kind regards ralph
DaveClass47 they ran one the opposite way through rosyth and the other one isn’t due to leave inverkeithing until 9 so sorry I couldn’t get any footage. :(
Most electronics solder is rosin cored so comes with its own flux! I've build many a PCB without flux. The only time I use flux is low melt solder when making kits.
Quite right. Flux is only needed to assist rosin cored solder when the conductors have oxidised (gone black in the case of copper or a dull dark grey in the case on tinned copper) otherwise soldering is just a case of iron tip one side of the conductor, solder on the other and it will flow perfectly into the stranded wire. Flux should rarely be needed or used.
Great improvement, do you use the Valenta TTS chips? Tried Megabass, Zimo and Rail Exclusive speakers on MTU TTS chips, but they still sound quite distorted (even with lots of black tack). Guess the sound files are overdriven anyway, issues amplified by better speakers. Chips can get quite hot, any issues with them (had to remove Kapton tape for cooling)? Sounds great indeed!
Ive been fitting out all my locos using these big boomer and chunky boom box speakers from rail exclusive!! There spot with tts or legomanbiffo sounds👌👍
Graham Crichton yeah you can get bass, these new ones Are more bassy... the bigger the speaker and enclosure the better... but space in these locos can be limited.
@@DeanPark cheers Dave. I've always wondered because when I see them on videos they always sound tinny but that might just be the limitations of video. Another great video btw. Thank you. I enjoy watching these.
I saw a 125 at Motherwell station whilst waiting for the train to work, it had obviously had a serious engine problem as the rear end of the tractor unit and the 1st 2 coaches were black, covered in oil which was blowing our of the vents as it rolled through the station at about 10 mph, never saw anything like it, late for work and no time credit from the boss.
vince halls yup when you consider that a legomanbiffo for both cars is £300 ish... this is a bargain. Ok it’s not as good as the Legomanbiffo one, but at about £60 all in it’s certainly not £240 worse! If you get my thinking.
There is no flux left on after you tin the wires, it boils off in seconds. Its very bad practice to carry solder to the joint using the iron as the flux in the solder also burns off in seconds. To actually get reliable joints you should always apply the iron to the joint and then apply the solder. Also you should make a mechanical joint on the wires.. one way is to strip a bit longer, fold both at 90 degrees about half way, then put the wires together and twist the one wire bent bit around the other wire and then the other before soldering. ruclips.net/video/qHoyF4yKhjU/видео.html You probably don't need to solder such a joint. The heat shrink will hold it together.
Yep the soldering method shown in this video was all wrong. It worked for him but its just not the way conductors should be soldered. Heat shrinking should not be heated with an iron either, the correct way is to use a heat gun to apply hot air to the shrink, (I use a paint stripper set to low temperature held a few inches away from the shrink and moved backwards and forwards across it) no direct contact heat.
Problem with doing a review of an audio device is it's only as good as the microphone used to record it, the medium used to deliver it and the device used to replicate it. Probably sounds good in real life, but after compressed by YT upload process and then played back through headphones it still sounded tinny and full of white noise to me. Maybe some engine sounds are more suited to DCC than the high pitched whine of the Vallenta's? - But I did like the way you had two speakers, one for each "power" car - that did give a realistic impression as it passed.
Love sound but donwside for me is it is not to scale. You don’t get it pass you and quieten down to only hear the coaches like real life. It’s just there. Once that is emitagated will be amazing. But the sound is now sport on
Cheers for the video content! Forgive me for the intrusion, I am interested in your opinion. Have you heard about - Januke Henatalie Formula (should be on google have a look)? It is a good one of a kind product for operating a model railroad minus the headache. Ive heard some unbelievable things about it and my old buddy Taylor at very last got excellent results with it.
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The soldering element in this video I've found extremely helpful and will put into practise tomorrow. I've done a few poor jobs that have made it work but this video has been key for me. Thank you for the demo! One reason I love this channel. Keep up the good work.
Thanks
Chris
gf37419 Cheers Chris! I like to do some ‘how to’ videos as well as layout updates. It’s better than endless self promotion and exhibition videos that are all over RUclips. Sharing my modelling and my techniques is what I enjoy. Dave
@@DeanPark it's worked a treat with my 47791. Double iphone speaker and legoman chip in. Sounds great . . . If you like 47s . . . Biased 37 man myself, but the sound is brilliant.
Will have to watch the depot build in closer detail once I get my Buxton shed.
Cheers Dave and Merry Xmas.
What an improvement Dave, makes a big difference from the basic speaker that is supplied with these decoders. I put an uprated speaker in one of my 37s fuel tanks a while ago and was really impressed with it.
Craig Calibra it’s amazing what a decent speaker can do!
Flux pen now ordered and I purchased eight sound units, direct from Rail Exclusive. Much cheaper than Peter's Spares. Thanks for your help and keep uploading, informative videos.
Wow,sounds so much better,brilliant upgrade Dave.
TOM MAHONEY big improvement :-)
Hi Dave,
With new people starting in the hobby all the time it’s really very helpful to see how to solder, use shrink wrap and add a different speaker. It makes a big difference. Thanks.
I’m sure Hunt Couplings would help on your HST 125 too.
Regards,
Jim
Jim Ross hi thanks. With regard to soldering; in this video I put a little solder on the tip of the soldering iron. I only ever do this when im doing a tiny wee job, like wiring very thin and delicate connections. If you are soldering normal stuff like wires to track you shouldn’t put solder on the iron for too long , but instead place the solder at the joint, bring in the iron to quickly melt the solder. If it’s got flux on it then it’ll flow into the joint and attach.
Dave,
Do you have a link for the make & model of soldering iron you use, the solder and flux you use please?
Thanks.
Jim
The sound is so much better now Dave. I will sure try that out when I get my power cars fitted. Been on my list a while now to buy the TTS chips for them. Also like your flux pen I never saw one of those before.
cedarcam cheers. It’s a big improvement in sound :-) fully recommend them. Dave
Sounds superb compaired to the TTS speaker. I would always advocate swapping the TTS speakers as soon as funds allow.
Thanks for the video Dave.
Alex Hill yes I may buy another TTS hst decoder and add this speaker to it. I’ve 7 hst’s to do lol
Great tutorial, and the HST now sounds fabulous. I'll do mine now. Thanks for posting.
Thanks for that Dave, I’ve just finished installing my Valenta TTS decoders into my original 253 001. I was wondering about changing the speakers, so your video is very timely, did you read my mind ? 🤣 I’ll be ordering some speakers from Peter’s Spares right away !
I rated the TTS Valenta chips with their existing speakers but the Rex speakers really make a difference. You can actually hear the diesel rather than just the turbocharger. Thanks for doing the video, I'll be doing the same upgrade myself on this basis. PS, glad you pointed out the Rex speaker can fit the old speaker cavity in the power car!
Excellent and informative video.
What a great video that was. I didn’t know any of that stuff. Very informative. I love that Scottish accent too. Pete 🇬🇧
Hi Dave, great sound with the upgrade. May try them with the MTU chips in my FGW set. Hope they will fit the driven power car as it's the type with the fan and space is apparently tight. Regards and maybe see you at Warley as I'm hoping that there will be a U.tubers gathering again. Bobby 'T'.
Robert Temple hi, there should be space... you might want to cut out the ribs /screw brackets inside the original speaker enclosure so that the new rail exclusives one sits lower. I did that in this to get it sitting even lower... it’s a 5 min job to the black plastic enclosure with a craft knife.
I plan to be at warley but prefer to enjoy the show and wander around. the meet ups are good for some, but I don’t plan on it as I’m with friends and it would be rude to abandon them. If you see me, be sure to say hi... I like meeting others as I walk around while enjoying the show :-)
You can fit a megabass speaker in the power car which is bigger without modification so it shouldn’t be an issue
Been using these speakers since they were released to convert not just TTS sound locos but premium sound locos too, and I have to say they are superb all round. You should try the class 47 Zimo sound decoder Rail Exclusive sell, it's a Paul Chetter sound file and it sounds awesome. I've bought a couple now, 1 for a Bachmann 47 and the other for a ViTrains 47 and at £99 which includes a stay alive too, it's a bargain for a premium sound decoder. I'll be buying more for my other 47's... Mark.
Kirkton Road Junction I’m well impressed by this speaker.. I’ll certainly be looking into using them again. Dave
That's a much better sounds Dave, and it captures the Valenta 'Scream' very well, all that was missing was the heavy Clagg associated with those engines....Also enjoyed the Soldering session as well....Bob
Robert Masterman Cheers Bob. Yeah it would be nice to get that throaty clagg:-) Dave
Very nice! Tremendous difference. Thanks! See ya next time.
Norman Rowe yeah I am well impressed
Woah, that is certainly breaking the DCC sound barrier!!!!
King Orry yea I am impressed. Dave
Nice video, I’ve just started to change speakers and play around with sound myself👍🔊🔊
Hi dave another great video mate love the sound from the hst mate i am about half way with the class89 loco mate it is going well Dave goodbye for now Clive
clive cobbold cheers Clive. :-) Dave
Sounds more like a Valleta. Incredible sound that is sorely missed much like the Rolls Royce Conway engines of the VC10s and Vulcan.
Mark Franks iconic machines... like the Olympus roar of Concorde... gone but not forgotten.
Great video, informative and well executed! 😊
timsytanker thanks. Hope it was easy to follow. Dave
Very helpful thanks Dave and it sounds so much better
Such an improvement 👍🏼
ADM-43 totally agree. :-)
nice done dave the sound is much improved more depth and sound quality is much better 😊👍👍👍
Layton Junction definitely more depth. Makes me want to use the sound now and not shut it up, As was the case with the standard speaker lol. Dave
i have recently replaced all my speakers with i phone speakers makes a big difference 👍😊
Hi dave
Brill video as always and the speaker replacement is a massive better difference.
But is it me or is the valenta scream from the turbo to me dosnt sound right or kicks in far to early???.
Peter from birmingham
southway1943 hi. Yeah the turbo can be out of sync.. this is a TTS decoder and isn’t as good as a full blow loksound decoder. Still they’re bot too bad for the money :-) Cheers.
They are good I must admit the start up is a good sound and love the horns.
Peter
Wow it sounds great!! I’m getting the MTU version for my LNER HST
well that works. I might do mine one day.
Charles Emerson Id fully recommend these speakers!
Great How to Dave, very Informative and well presented........................John.
John Carvil Cheers John.
Nice upgrade, that made a huge difference in the sound. I also like the no clean flux pen. Where did you get that? Could you provide a link? Thanks for sharing. Ken
Hi Ken, thanks for getting in touch to give your views on the sound upgrade. The flux pen....just google it. I got this last one at an exhibition. However Rapid Electronics have them too. Cheers. Dave
Dave, Thank you for the info. I will google that and see. Ken
hi nice video my question is do you give your power cars the same address or are they individual addressed and run as a consist and which is best
kind regards
ralph
Ralph Lees hi thanks. Both the same address so the lights work together and the power cars power up together. Cheers.
Great improvement. I'm assuming due to the turbo whine that those are velenta engine sound decoders. :)
Bruce Welsh yes most definitely is was the full Valenta treatment :-) Dave
The difference is like night & day! much more depth of sound with the new speaker now.
lancpudn it’s made a massive difference. Really pleased. :-)
What a difference! they'll be the ones then. Cheers Dave. Iain
I M Cheers. They’re worth the money :-) Dave
@@DeanPark very much mate
Nice video.
Are you coming down to the station later?
Peter Mackie Hi... I cant, I’m at a bonefire night :-( get some filming!
DaveClass47 they ran one the opposite way through rosyth and the other one isn’t due to leave inverkeithing until 9 so sorry I couldn’t get any footage. :(
Thoroughly enjoyed the upgrade fitting. Will be ding likewise with my locos. What level of sound did you set?
Scottish Norfolk Southern Fan I went with 7/8 for the volume of the engine. The rest of the volumes are pretty standard settings.
Dave, I wonder if you’d benefit from drilling through the gaps in the exhaust vents, just to let some more sound out?
Locomotionlotion to be honest as the speaker is nearer the back of the power car more sound gets out of the side grills and roof fan grill. Dave
Impressive sound i love the tts sound chips and its a vast improvement on a great sound for half the price many thanks craig😁😁
New Durham Junction Model Railway it’s a good sound and with 25 functions to choose from... great fun to use. Dave
@@DeanPark yip i use them in my 37s and in the look the look out for the 47 tts chips
Most electronics solder is rosin cored so comes with its own flux! I've build many a PCB without flux. The only time I use flux is low melt solder when making kits.
Quite right. Flux is only needed to assist rosin cored solder when the conductors have oxidised (gone black in the case of copper or a dull dark grey in the case on tinned copper) otherwise soldering is just a case of iron tip one side of the conductor, solder on the other and it will flow perfectly into the stranded wire. Flux should rarely be needed or used.
were did you get the furniture(desks, filing cabnets etc.) thanks for the help cheers
www.scalemodelscenery.co.uk/lx284-oo-office-desks--chairs-pack-of-6---oo4mm176-8819-p.asp?aff=2 Use this link. Cheers. Dave
Forgot to ask, where did you get your flux pen? Thanks
Scottish Norfolk Southern Fan oh I have got it from rapid, eBay,Amazon ... just depends where it’s available. Dave
Great improvement, do you use the Valenta TTS chips?
Tried Megabass, Zimo and Rail Exclusive speakers on MTU TTS chips, but they still sound quite distorted (even with lots of black tack).
Guess the sound files are overdriven anyway, issues amplified by better speakers.
Chips can get quite hot, any issues with them (had to remove Kapton tape for cooling)?
Sounds great indeed!
T McG hi, they are the Valenta. So far no issues. Cheers. Dave
Definitely an upgrade.
Anthony Dodge The Model Train Outsider cheers. :-)
Hi Dave, great video, which colour ballasts do you use for your station layout, in the 6ft and 4ft of the track? Cheers, E
E M hi. I use woodland scenic grey blend medium ballast: :-) Cheers Dave
Ive been fitting out all my locos using these big boomer and chunky boom box speakers from rail exclusive!!
There spot with tts or legomanbiffo sounds👌👍
Banks Road modern image good to know that they are good with Legomanbiffo decoders
Most of my latest 37 and 47 videos are fitted out legomanbiffo decoders and these “top” speakers realy bring the layout to life too DaveClass47
Yeah, sounds the bee’s knees, that does!
Planes, Trains & Automobiles hi, thanks :-) I’m pleased with it too. Dave
Is there any bass to the speakers on locos or do they sound like cheap laptop speakers?
Graham Crichton yeah you can get bass, these new ones Are more bassy... the bigger the speaker and enclosure the better... but space in these locos can be limited.
@@DeanPark cheers Dave. I've always wondered because when I see them on videos they always sound tinny but that might just be the limitations of video. Another great video btw. Thank you. I enjoy watching these.
Sounds great
Hermitage Road I agree. Not a bad improvement for £20 and an hours work. Dave
I saw a 125 at Motherwell station whilst waiting for the train to work, it had obviously had a serious engine problem as the rear end of the tractor unit and the 1st 2 coaches were black, covered in oil which was blowing our of the vents as it rolled through the station at about 10 mph, never saw anything like it, late for work and no time credit from the boss.
For the price of the TTS decoders + £10 upgrade speakers you say it's a bit of a bargain, especially against the cost of some other combinations
vince halls yup when you consider that a legomanbiffo for both cars is £300 ish... this is a bargain. Ok it’s not as good as the Legomanbiffo one, but at about £60 all in it’s certainly not £240 worse! If you get my thinking.
Wow - what a difference - clearly far superior to what was in the loco's before. Euan
Not seen a flux pen before where do you get them from please Dave ?
Mark Bowman Hi, loads of places have them, rapid electronics, eBay, etc. Google it :-) Cheers
Replacement speakers from an iPhone 4 are much better in sound quality for a fraction of cost.
365n4 I’ve got twin iPhone speakers as well in other locos. They are very good. But not always suitable for TTS decoders.
Mr Watson !!
There is no flux left on after you tin the wires, it boils off in seconds.
Its very bad practice to carry solder to the joint using the iron as the flux in the solder also burns off in seconds.
To actually get reliable joints you should always apply the iron to the joint and then apply the solder.
Also you should make a mechanical joint on the wires..
one way is to strip a bit longer,
fold both at 90 degrees about half way,
then put the wires together and twist the one wire bent bit around the other wire and then the other before soldering.
ruclips.net/video/qHoyF4yKhjU/видео.html
You probably don't need to solder such a joint.
The heat shrink will hold it together.
Yep the soldering method shown in this video was all wrong. It worked for him but its just not the way conductors should be soldered. Heat shrinking should not be heated with an iron either, the correct way is to use a heat gun to apply hot air to the shrink, (I use a paint stripper set to low temperature held a few inches away from the shrink and moved backwards and forwards across it) no direct contact heat.
Problem with doing a review of an audio device is it's only as good as the microphone used to record it, the medium used to deliver it and the device used to replicate it. Probably sounds good in real life, but after compressed by YT upload process and then played back through headphones it still sounded tinny and full of white noise to me. Maybe some engine sounds are more suited to DCC than the high pitched whine of the Vallenta's? - But I did like the way you had two speakers, one for each "power" car - that did give a realistic impression as it passed.
You can also get mufflers that make a moped sound like a Harley! Or this ruclips.net/video/kwaXjtRybhI/видео.html
Love sound but donwside for me is it is not to scale. You don’t get it pass you and quieten down to only hear the coaches like real life. It’s just there. Once that is emitagated will be amazing. But the sound is now sport on
Cheers for the video content! Forgive me for the intrusion, I am interested in your opinion. Have you heard about - Januke Henatalie Formula (should be on google have a look)? It is a good one of a kind product for operating a model railroad minus the headache. Ive heard some unbelievable things about it and my old buddy Taylor at very last got excellent results with it.