@@Philthornnah its fitting for him. Its not really a character conclusion, he was already like that before. His conclusion was when he lost the armored. But yea him just being able to shift his consciousness (god i hate that word) around is just dumb and could've been easily avoided if they just changed it to levi missing his stab by like an inch due to reiner moving unexpectedly
@@Philthorn yea i hope they overwork some things in the anime. Levi saluting on that rock and going together with his friends and loved ones would've been perfect
That's actually the tragedy in AoT, everyone get exactly opposite of what they want. Eren, Mikasa, Armin, Zeke, Kenny, and especially Erwin. I think the only person who got a wish fulfilled is Ymir, but knowing her back story that's more like a release through death.
@@kory.j6561 SPOILER when the weird worm thing is separated from eren at the end of the manga it’s killed making titan shifting powers disappear i don’t believe they ever show it but because of this the 13 year curse all titans powers and rules all of it is gone so it’s reasonable to assume that connie’s mother is released from her titan form to a normal human and they probably get to have reunion as for jean i mean it’s not that hard to start a family soo yea
His hardening was supposed to be his power, but Annie, the war-hammer, and Eren all have better armor. Maybe his power is "plot armor." If you think that's BS, you gotta remember that Eren can see the future. There is no more broken power than the Attack Titan power.
@@josemexicanmexican7602 AoT's version of "time travel" is a fixed timeline, so eren can't really change or alter anything that he has seen through the paths from the future since it has already happened in the timeline so i wouldnt say its completely broken. Like you coukd know exactly how and when you would die but you would not be able to circumvent it at all.
@@Mikaeel815 yes and that was only because of a very specific scenario where Zeke had brought eren back through Grisha's memories and eren was able to see himself manipulate grisha through grishas perspective and in turn made that a fixed moment in the timeline. this was only possible because Zeke had royal blood so it was not something eren could do on his own
The whole Reiner sequence with Levi absolutely fucking obliterating him and him miraculously surviving feels a lot like a DM in D&D saying "Sorry assassin rogue, your crit sneak attack of fuck-you damage doesn't kill the boss because I need him in this fight"
OMFG as a player I hate that and as a dm I don't allow that situation to happen so I can't make up some plot armor BS to make him cheat death. If my players are good enough and smart enough to get past my contingency plans then my boss character dies before the climax like the players hope and I adapt accordingly. My players avoided what would have been a brutal fight by eliminating a boss with a well planned, brutal, and slightly overkill assassination. They were happy it worked, that they didn't have to deal with him due to some BS and were very ok skipping what could have been a hell of a fight
He can't travel through time tho, he can only see the future through memories because the paths are connected to all eldians from all times, the part where he influences people was the founding titans ability which is more plausible then consciousness balls
@maddenbanh8033 oh yeah because Eren in the future being able to gaslight his dad in the past is a reasonable ability for the attack (and only the attack titan) titan to have but God forbid reiner is able to transfer his consciousness into his balls for a minute
@@collincaperton6718 Reiner balls is still bullshit and also how exactly is the attack titan having that ability exclusively weird :/ plus that was misinformation because the attack titan can't even influence memories it can only see the future, that was the founding titans ability as eren was only able to do that when Zeke lead him there
@@maddenbanh8033 your not helping your case its a bullshit ability being able to see the future makes absolutely no sense and don't say it's because they are connected through the paths or whatever because you know who else is? Litterally every other shifter so please explain why is this ability for some unknown reason exclusive to the attack titan and not oh idk THE FOUNDER. The reasoning will never not be dumb it's a cool power but it is fundamentally stupid. Furthermore even if the founder had this ability it would still be dumb btw.
@@collincaperton6718 every titan shifter has their own ability, you can't make an argument saying that they all should be able to see the future because one can, also the founder can see the future???
Especially when you remember Eren being decapitated by Mikasa. If Reiner was able to do that, then I don’t see how the FUCKIN FOUNDING TITAN shouldn’t be able to do same!
@@shawnellesmithhonestly I thought that was what Eren did when Gabi blew his head off. But no. And also the war hammer ability to remotely control a titan would have also been extremely handy for that battle, didn't use that either. Weird that such things were introduced and they literally do not matter.
@@short_dose_of_internet no, the ability to create a titan out of pure hardened material and have it fight remotely while physically being somewhere else
1. its anime usually in anime even total losers in other anime's fall from more than 200 feet and still barely live. 2. It was completely explained that titans basically die with one good shot at the nape. And finally 3. Even though its totally retarded, he wont slander his favorite charcter (probably)
@@captainflappyarms8277 he fell from 150 feet while being burnt blacker than myself. He was already on the verge of death when he was burnt and he shoudlve definitely died as soon as hit the ground
Fun fact: Aot's creater once said in an interview that his fav character was Reiner, so i must say im not surprised to see that Reiner lives every single mortal blow dealt to him Edit: Dear god thats so many likes
Isayama be like: ,,i will compromise the story, the themes, the world and believability of my power system, but Reiner Will Survive" and i love him for that
50-0. Undefeated. Never lost a fight. Never lost a round. Perfect Jawline. Donates some of his crimson chin to charity. 6'2. Got marco killed. Got porco killed. Got ymir killed. Got marcel killed. Does not care. Disowned his father. Let scouts develop thunder spears. Gave Eren buffs. Gave himself nerfs. Gave himself depression. Gave himself personality disorder. Not friends with umi da. Not friends with mankasa. Choked out schnoze. Responsible for 90% of the memes in this community. He's the GOAT for a reason.
Tbh none of it is as bad as Armin’s survival in this sequence of events. Your telling me he survived severe and I mean SEVERE third degree burns all over his body and again I mean ALL OVER fine maybe then immediately after surviving a fall of 60 meters which is nearly 200ft for people in used to the metric system. He is like dead beyond belief.
For real. Spoilers, but at the part where they were deciding who to give the shot to, I thought they were going to choose Armin, but it would have been way too late and he would have remained dead.
Yeah, I don't think this is bad at all. Like, just make Reiner not get hit through the neck and the whole thing plays out exactly the same. Armin falling almost the height of the wall and surviving though? There's absolutely no way you can excuse that lmao
The cart titan has insanely good hearing. This has been demonstrated with her being the one to warn Zeke that their enemies are coming. That's why she was able to find them right away.
The transfer of consciousness was only important because it's a founder ability that the armor got. Yimir could do it too and transfered her consciousness to the Paths
Now that sounds very cool. Zeke said that Ymir had wanted to escape death, so even after she had died she awoke in the Paths realm, where such thing as death doesn’t exist. And Armored Titan can transfer its consciousness to other body parts to escape death in a similar way.
isnt the armor of the titan, the power of the armored titan? And also, the armored titan transfered his consciousness to his body, ymir's paths is a whole dimension where there is no future, present and past, and that conects all eldians, can we even make a paralel with transfering the cousciousness to the body with that?
The lore stuff about extra abilities never made much sense to me. Like what the hell was in that vial that gave Eren the ability to create armor? How did Falco learn to fly, what the hell happened there with him and Annie?
I never noticed these flaws, specially on this arch which is my favourite. I think I was just soo lost on the plot that I completely suspended my disbelief I think the show felt so oppressive and tense because of how Little we knew about the titans. They made us feel like the characters by creating some bullshit out of their ass; they didn't know they could do that, and neither did we. The characters practically knew nothing about the titans, and that was about to change at the end of this arc TL;DR They made stuff of to suprise us and remind us we know nothing
if you truly love a show you will notice all the things about it, flaws included. But the longer you know them, the more those flaws will become apparent.
@@ibm30rpgwell, that worm spinal fluid thing was based on a real life ancient creature. It’s just buried under some dang tree waiting to infect someone
What bugs me is that Reiner can survive getting most of his head blown off, but Porco loses a much smaller chunk of his head and, oooooh no! He's too messed up to heal himself! Time to feed himself to Falco! And his last words being something to the effect of of, " I was always better than you after all, Reiner." Uh, no you weren't. You just gave up after getting a wound that Reiner could have easily healed from.
Yeah but if we skip over plot points of his sacrifice we can assume that : he just recieved memories about his brother wanting to protect him from war and thats why he wasnt choosen to be a warrior so maybe porco thought that since his brother sacrificed himself or rather sacrificed reiner for porco so he might as well sacrifice himself for someone else since hes already too injured to fight
Man I Agree Porco just felt like fodder for falco. Ereh should have been properly beaten before zeke intervened cuz he still would win later. he had zero stamina. where riener had plot armour porco was plot naked.
The whole "transfering my consciousness" thing was always stupid to me. It was never set up, it never came back, and it only served to save Reiner in a situation where he should have been incredibly dead. I love this show, but that was a rare instance of bad writing in it Edit: "Wah wah wah, I don't like the ending, that's bad writing!!1!1" 1. That is completely irrelevant to the point I'm trying to make. At no point did I bring up the ending in the original comment. 2. If you want my opinion on the ending: if you think it's poorly written or you think it betrays the themes of the show, then I think you don't understand what the show was trying to say in the first place. The ending is beautiful in it's tragedy and what it has to say about cycles and how just because we can't change the world forever doesn't mean what we do doesn't matter. I think most people are mad because it's not what they wanted, and not because it was actually of lower quality than the rest of the show
@@mamba7160 The Mikasa thing was set up very early on. The thing with Reiner just kinda happened and nobody acknowledged it ever again. I'm not gonna pretend that seeing Mikasa as a parallel to Ymir is not a good comparison, but it didn't come out of completely nowhere
for all the shit Reiner gets for how long he lives (and he should), it does play up his narrative symbol. Until the very end of the story Reiner was someone haunted by the sacrifices of those around him and all he ever wanted was a peaceful escape to death. But by circumstance and stupid luck he is never able to. His tragedy is that he is unable to gain the peace he wants by almost godlike intervention while Eren, the other side of his coin, does achieve his perfect peaceful victory in the end. Dosent excuse the writing but makes it not really a problem for me given how his character story was done.
if Reiner wanted to die the 19 thunder spears was his ticket. the reality is that Reiner is a guilty coward who will cling to life and let others die for him. marcel, bertholdt, Marco, porco. Reiner is one of the most evil people in the show.
@@JohnDoe-ligma tf, that’s chimp logic. Reiner did not make Proco and Marcel die for him, they did it for their own reasons that are beat into your skull if you have any media literacy. You also clearly just don’t pay attention to the nuance of the argument if your going to say “well why dident he just die that one time”
I honestly loved that Reiner specifically can transfer/disperse his consciousness to prevent serious incapacitation or death. It fits so well with the theme of his titan. You thought his durability stopped at his armor? Nah good luck taking this guy down period. I'm honestly disappointed he's not given BETTER durability/resilience feats.
Yeah I agree. It didn't particularly offend me either. He never got into such a dire situation later in the story and it fits his defensive theme as you say.
@@Gahanun fr, its called the armored titan, u think this mf don't got unkillable defensive abilities? the attack titan can literally see the future, but this is crazy?
I just can’t think of any realistic way that Reiner could survive a surprise attack against Levi, and I doubt Isayama could either, while still giving his characters the opportunity to take the initiative, so he came up with the transferring consciousness ploy. When I read these chapters for the first time, my thought was that Reiner would at least be permanently trapped in his Titan body, providing a severe downside to escaping death. But nope. From what we know, Reiner is pretty invincible.
Yeah I feel like having it be different way could also be hard. I mean if Isayama just had Levi not attack any vital points then it would be clearly Levi's totally basic mistake as he had perfect opportunity which he didn't use, something that I feel like wouldn't fit what we know of Levi up to that point. He is one of most skilled fighters in whole series so I having him do such a blatant mistake just for plot convinience also wouldn't feel right.
@@mrszmatan2727An easy fix is to give Reiner some kind of special Marleyan equipment to make his entrance easier. Maybe a smoke bomb? Would be pretty hard for Levi to stab someone he can't see, or make Reiner leap out of the walls and ODM his way somewhere else necessitating that Levi has to chase him instead of instantly murder him
The cart titan was literally on top of the wall looking over the town and would have easily seen the scouts with reiner, connie was literally on a roof too, and reiner would be letting off lots of steam she wouldve seen her finding reiner is not hard
Also, the cart titan is THE stealth Titan. Pieck does all the undercover wet work! Not a stretch of the imagination to believe she got in there undetected.
The idea of a shifter using their titan body as a surrogate for their consciousness as their human body regenerates is pretty cool. Titans don't have most organs but they do have a brain. So reiner living using this power is fine when bertholdt goes to him after the spears mess him up the first time. The other use with Levi is a little iffy though
I totally agree about the transferring conscious by Reiner, that’s the only time throughout the entire show that I just put my hands up and went, well that’s dumb as hell! And it’s never talked about or explained again. It felt like the only time this show pulled one of those shonen plot armor tricks that you see in something like Bleach or something.
The only part of this I disagree with is the sword in his chest messes with the consciousness transfer, remember, he saw levi coming, transferred his consciousness, got stabbed in the neck, THEN got stabbed in the chest, his consciousness could still be intact in his limbs and such (although the power suddenly showing up, barely being explained, then not showing up again is still stupid)
@@sammybutler3027 theres no hurdles to jump through, that's simply the order of events we're shown, just because no one paid attention to it doesn't mean it's complicated
Tbh I’m willing to just let AOT get away with this one because the fact it’d be an actual upside for the armored titan which would otherwise be like literally the worst titan. The armor on the armor titan is easily beaten by just crystalizing your fists. Which essentially every titan can do, it is trash.
@@kostadim7892 yeah, it makes sense given its armour is so easily outclassed towards the latter seasons, but more set up and explanation would've been nice
@@SuperSpider9098 that event shouldn’t have even happened if he can’t explain in less than a paragraph how reiner managed to survive its just making abilities up
Given that every titan has some unique ability... (cart - ability to stay in titan form for months, jaw - has the hardest hardening, attack - can receive future memories, female - extra good at manifesting) ...I don't see a problem with Reiner's consciousness transfer ability. It matches the toughness of the armored perfectly, making him harder to kill. Also we don't know how deep Levi stabbed into his chest - it would have had to go almost all the way through his torso to cut his spine.
like many other's have mentioned, "It was never set up, it never came back." thats a huge issue with the lore. Not to mention no other titan shifters had any other powers in their human form aside from wolverine healing. It's a contrived plot device. I still love the show, but this part could have been written better.
@@psython2160 Hmm, I agree that it could've been at least mentioned later but many other powers also seemed to come out of nowhere with little to no setup. And it's not true that all other shifters only had healing in human form. Frieda wiped memories, while Lara Tybur and Eren could create stuff with the Warhammer Titan power.
I mostly agree with this video. I think the ability to transfer your consciousness into your body is one of the few times I felt like a power was contrived into the story. Every other titan power was set up as a mystery, or was spread throughout. It all was used more than once. But this? No set up, and it's never used again. I won't say it doesn't make sense, since Titan Spinal Bullshit™ seems possible, it's just kind of bleh compared to every other ability. I think Reiner surviving can easily be explained by Isayama's want to torture Reiner as much as possible. Obviously, he has the worst kind of plot armor.
@@seg162 That is inconsistent, but I mostly feel like it doesn't majorly effect the plot. It might have some minor changes. This one would have killed Reiner, ultimately shifting the story from this point forward.
@@ibm30rpg Well, humans are thought to remain conscious for up to 30 seconds after decapitation. If all it needed was Eren to be conscious for him to be "alive" then that was well within the time span from being shot to touching Zeke.
Another moment that I thought was dumb as hell was when Eren and co. were in the crystal cavern as it was caving in. Eren needed the hardening ability to protect everyone and whadyaknow there just so happens to be a bottle of armour juice in the bag next to him. This is so unsatisfying. Would it have been such a stretch that hardening is an inherent ability that titan shifters have that can be brought out with training? That's exactly what Eren was doing prior to this arc: training to gain the hardening ability. After all, Annie had hardening powers. Zeke is shown to have hardening powers. Reiner has an extreme case of hardening powers which you could say is the best hardening of any of the titans. We also know that the walls themselves were erected using the hardening powers of millions of colossal titans. A life-or-death moment of crisis like what Eren was experiencing in the cavern would have been the perfect time for him to unearth this ability. But no, just down a conveniently-placed chug jug, and you're done. So stupid.
@@dozergames2395 Actually no, I would say that it makes sense for his first time to be so impressive, he just ingested it and there was a lot of it in his system. After that, he does either turns the full titan into hardening (deplenishing his energy) OR just small tricks like Annie did.
They could have had the same exact scene minus the armor juice. He just magically learns how to do it because he wants to protect his friends or whatever, that would have been fine.
The popular consensus is that it's a bottle of the Armored Titan's spinal fluid. Just like how Falco's Jaw Titan got traits of the Beast Titan due to Zeke's spinal fluid, it's not a stretch to imagine both Eren and Annie having ingested Armored Titan fluid.
I've been thinking the same. Aot has such jawdropingly amazing twists and plot developments that it baffles me when Iseyama uses something as simple as plot armor
when i was watching this fight again with my father i was saying the same thing, not only did reiner have insane plot armor from the start of levi "missing" his nape. It also seemed that all the characters just went dumb during this fight, Erwin and Levi standing and having a calm conversation while they're men get trampled by rocks, Mikasa and her team acted as if they never took a titan down after Reiner got thunderspeared and Hange came in and did it all for them within seconds while they sat on the building.
the reason they couldnt take down reiner is because they had only one thunderspear left and their blades didnt work. hange saved the day because she had one more thunderspear to open reiners mouth, letting mikasa take him down with the last spear the transfer consciousness thing is bs, ill give you that, but erwin and levi being cool is kinda their thing, so im fine with it
@@JamesConoverhe was their fuckin comrade!! Emotions goddammit!... Berthold was hesitant to finish armin, Annie was hesitant with marcel as she was with armin... So stop looking for flaws and enjoy the show. Reiner's survival isn't even that bad, he got stabbed twice, he's the greatest armored titan, with one of the best regenerative abilities.
Someone else already talked about the thunderspear thing so I'll talk about Erwin and Levi. What else were they supposed to do? Become desperate and start screaming? They were put in a very hard spot with seemingly no exit, so they had to plan something. Erwin was always very calm in planning and Levi is... Levi, he rarely gets too emotional.
I agree the plot device where they can transfer the conciseness to their body is just stupid, like transfer where? there is no place in the body that can store a full brain worth of data
Man I am a Reiner stan first and foremost but I do completely agree with you here. This shit always struck me as so strange like yeah it's cool to see my favourite character surviving but why can he suddenly do all that?? I've always found it a little goofy. Also the end of the video got a good laugh out of me because my roommate is constantly teasing me or having a favourite character who can effectively put his brain in his nuts lmao 😭
On one hand I do think the whole "transferring consciousness" thing is an ass pull on the face of it. However, on closer inspection I do feel it CAN work if framed as something that the Titan Research Institute had discovered. It'd make sense, the Titans already violate many laws of biology and even physics, and a militant nation like Marley would definitely try and investigate all the strange quirks surrounding their greatest military assets. Looking back Reiner getting stabbed was definitely an attempt to plant it for when he gets his head blown off later, but I feel it was too little since we weren't aware of Marley or any of their potential institutions yet Definitely a sticking point in an otherwise very smartly written story. Not a huge one, but definitely something there
2:47 to be fair Reiner’s eyes did return after getting stabbed in the chest meaning he could’ve switched it back. But I do see wym with Reiner I noticed the same thing after season 3, he just can’t seem to die even though he was suppose to so many times
@@remphz3321 no shit, but we are talking about people who can grow back limbs and turn to 10m tall monstrosities in 2 seconds. And I mean that there just needs to exist an uninterrupted connection in the body.
@@inteallsviktigt lol there’s a limit you do realize that right? If you’re damaged to the point that your body can’t heal enough, you’re dead. So nearly severing the brain steam, pierced through the heart/lungs, and a fall from 40 meters should have been more than enough.
Reiner can't harden himself like Annie did with the crystal, this is most likely due to the female titan also known as the "mimic titan" Gains its abilities by eating other parts of titan-shifters, as Annie mentions Marley had her eat multipe things in titan form. So she most likely got the crystal-ability from the Warhammer
Except the only reason Eren can harden was because he drunk a bottled labeled with armor titan fluid That and the fact that Zeke's beast titan can also create Crystal out of his titan
Actually we did see Reiner harden himself. He was shown to harden his fingers when he climbed the wall. He just never hardened at any other point in the series. What VG said above also proves that wrong.
Not to mention that it is impossible that Annie got her hardening abilities from the Warhammer since the Tyburs had decided to separate themselves from the conflict and kept the Warhammer hidden for generations, Wily himself asks Magath if he can guess which of the Tyburs he thinks has has the Warhammer Reiner doesn't harden like Annie because his hardening permanent, and most likely stronger than crystal hardening, but it is the same thing, that's why it was affected by Eren using the founder to undo all hardening within the walls
Honestly Levi should have done his usual thing and turned absolutely every bit of Reiner into minced meat, but he chose to be sloppy. This happens with Zeke as well. He almost killed him several times over.
this part, Armin surviving a fall from the height of the colossal titan, and Levi handing Zeke a bomb as a "hostage" are all unfortunate stains on the great series as a whole
Bruh I thought the same thing like Why would Levi a Smart character And Leader Do something so stupid. , They needed to find a way To have Zeke Escape and Levi to be out of the story for awhile
I was also at the point where, reading this chapter, I had accepted it as an "Isayama HJ" intended to quickly power up Reiner to survive some crazy stuff. Didn't expect it to NEVER come up again though, it seems so useful.
No, the first piece of bullsh!t was that the guy who found Reiner didnt see a massive outline of where reiner cut out the hole before tapping on that part of the wall.
3:20 I find it odd how he never used those super hardened fists on his fights, I'm pretty sure one hit from that and not even Eren would be able to tank it without his arm or head being pulverized (unless he did use them on a fight and i'm unaware)
I remember watching that part and being annoyed that reiner just wont fucking die. If they didnt want too kill him they just shouldnt have given him so many "deathblows"
That is so true even with out that there are no other examples of ANY titans let alone the armoured being able to transfer their consciousness, I mean no one else ever did anything like that in the whole anime. Ty collateral for this vid
Honestly, this could've been easily mitigated by Reiner dodging just enough for it not to be a lethal blow and attributing it to his warrior training, but Levi can't be fallible in battle because he is stupid levels OP, so *of course* Reiner never stood a chance.
Glad you pointed this out, on first watch Reiners survival immediately felt like a stretch to me. But I decided to take the shows explanation at face value, and decide for myself if it's valid later. I hoped it wasn't a quick lore retcon and that is was a more integral part of titan biology I guess
That's not the problem,the drop DID nothing to him . No damage at all ,he dropped on his head. Is his head made of vibranium? How come it didn't just splash like watermelon?
It could be argued that Eren has worse plot armor than Reiner. He was literally decapitated in S4, not to mention he was devoured by a Titan in S1. Reiner, Eren, and Arman survived things they shouldn’t have, but why do we only focus on Reiner?
Don't forget, Attack on Titan was named as the "Game of Thrones" of anime for how many characters died, meanwhile in the series we have characters with plot armor that AREN'T the main character lol.
I think a 5 year old girl (obvious exaggeration) being able to hold a fucking anti titan rifle and perfectly aim it to sever erens head is ridiculous. Let's not forget why she's there in the first place, doing some apex legends slide perfectly headshotting someone flying midair, sneaking onto a ship full of people that somehow don't see her, and killing sasha, then once in prison somehow overpowering a grown man.
I believe all of this coincidence has to do with how Future Eren influenced his life to instill the perfect conditions and values into each and every person he could, including his battles. I’m not sure how exactly, as we aren’t shown, but I believe that these many coincidences are because of Future Eren’s oversight (outside of Reiner being impaled in the chest, where his consciousness is, which is just what it is I guess).
Even though Reiner is my favourite character in the show I still hated this while watching it. I think what happened was that Isyama wanted to showcase multiple things through Reiner but still wanting him alive, like Eren's new hardening and the thunder spears, but he didn't think it though very well.
There's plenty of fictional stories that do not do this. It's just lazy writing. I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Because it's made up it can't be consistent? Are you stupid?
Okay, there's unrealistic plottwists, and then there "My brain is my balls now so decapitation don't work no more! And no I will never bring this up ever again!"
@@patchwurk6652 if an author fr said that,. I wouldn’t argue with it. Cause it’s their story. If you have such a big problem with things like these, then go write ur own manga lmao. Get off isayamas D. it shouldn’t be his job to cater to what you think should’ve happened. It’s not my fault you have a problem enjoying this man’s story.
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Reiner being able to transfer his consciousness to his balls disturbs me more than the show itself
There is already a consciousness there though.
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@@Philthornnah its fitting for him. Its not really a character conclusion, he was already like that before. His conclusion was when he lost the armored.
But yea him just being able to shift his consciousness (god i hate that word) around is just dumb and could've been easily avoided if they just changed it to levi missing his stab by like an inch due to reiner moving unexpectedly
@@Philthorn yea true isayama should have killed off a few characters like reiner and levi
@@Philthorn yea i hope they overwork some things in the anime. Levi saluting on that rock and going together with his friends and loved ones would've been perfect
I love how Reiner just wants to die but the creator is “no you live”
Plot armor titan
Mans has the Suzaku curse
That's actually the tragedy in AoT, everyone get exactly opposite of what they want. Eren, Mikasa, Armin, Zeke, Kenny, and especially Erwin. I think the only person who got a wish fulfilled is Ymir, but knowing her back story that's more like a release through death.
@@lanzer22except connie… and Jean..
@@kory.j6561 SPOILER when the weird worm thing is separated from eren at the end of the manga it’s killed making titan shifting powers disappear i don’t believe they ever show it but because of this the 13 year curse all titans powers and rules all of it is gone so it’s reasonable to assume that connie’s mother is released from her titan form to a normal human and they probably get to have reunion as for jean i mean it’s not that hard to start a family soo yea
" I'm sorry Levi but as a man of culture I have a second brain "
*transfers to his balls*
I can't deal. XD
Heman I got my consciousness is my balls Heman
Jujutsu Kaisen type shit. 😂
@@WallNutBreaker524knowing how many plot conveniences and ass-pulls there are on jjk, this is indeed a jjk type of shit
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Levi: WHAT ARE THESE GUYS MADE OF?!
Isayama: Concentrated bullsh!t, a generous helping of plot armor, and 2 sentient balls.
Levi: WHY WON’T YOU DIE!?!
Reiner: ahaha!! My balls, Heicho! I can transport my conciseness to them at any second.
You can’t hurt me, Levi.
Plot Armor Titan versus Batman? Who'll win?
the titan power is located in the spine, of course he doesnt die like a regular human being
"Um actually I can transfer my consciousness to my testicles" ☝️🤓
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Same tho
@andrewwagner942 proof👽
the fact that reiner transferred his consciousness to his balls further proves my point that levi striked the wrong area twice
"you should have gone for the balls!"
@@SteveTheWereWalrus
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Tbh shifters can heal any wounds so if you castrate them the balls will probably just grow back
@@IcyFingers
True, but still, nothing short of complete annihilation of the central nervous system will kill a shifter
@@IcyFingersDang, ultra based!
Do you fear the rumbling? No, you should fear the plot armor titan.
His hardening was supposed to be his power, but Annie, the war-hammer, and Eren all have better armor. Maybe his power is "plot armor." If you think that's BS, you gotta remember that Eren can see the future. There is no more broken power than the Attack Titan power.
@@josemexicanmexican7602 AoT's version of "time travel" is a fixed timeline, so eren can't really change or alter anything that he has seen through the paths from the future since it has already happened in the timeline so i wouldnt say its completely broken. Like you coukd know exactly how and when you would die but you would not be able to circumvent it at all.
@@montydog990 but hold up eren did manipulate some events in the past from the future,🤔
@@Mikaeel815 yes and that was only because of a very specific scenario where Zeke had brought eren back through Grisha's memories and eren was able to see himself manipulate grisha through grishas perspective and in turn made that a fixed moment in the timeline. this was only possible because Zeke had royal blood so it was not something eren could do on his own
Hell yeah
The whole Reiner sequence with Levi absolutely fucking obliterating him and him miraculously surviving feels a lot like a DM in D&D saying "Sorry assassin rogue, your crit sneak attack of fuck-you damage doesn't kill the boss because I need him in this fight"
True
I'm gonna start using "fuck-you damage" now
@@fireballq2 it's enough damage that you want to curse at the player (or player at the DM) for it. With love of course
OMFG as a player I hate that and as a dm I don't allow that situation to happen so I can't make up some plot armor BS to make him cheat death. If my players are good enough and smart enough to get past my contingency plans then my boss character dies before the climax like the players hope and I adapt accordingly. My players avoided what would have been a brutal fight by eliminating a boss with a well planned, brutal, and slightly overkill assassination. They were happy it worked, that they didn't have to deal with him due to some BS and were very ok skipping what could have been a hell of a fight
railroading at it's finest
If the attack Titan can travel through time then I think we can let Reiner live inside his balls for a minute.
He can't travel through time tho, he can only see the future through memories because the paths are connected to all eldians from all times, the part where he influences people was the founding titans ability which is more plausible then consciousness balls
@maddenbanh8033 oh yeah because Eren in the future being able to gaslight his dad in the past is a reasonable ability for the attack (and only the attack titan) titan to have but God forbid reiner is able to transfer his consciousness into his balls for a minute
@@collincaperton6718 Reiner balls is still bullshit and also how exactly is the attack titan having that ability exclusively weird :/ plus that was misinformation because the attack titan can't even influence memories it can only see the future, that was the founding titans ability as eren was only able to do that when Zeke lead him there
@@maddenbanh8033 your not helping your case its a bullshit ability being able to see the future makes absolutely no sense and don't say it's because they are connected through the paths or whatever because you know who else is? Litterally every other shifter so please explain why is this ability for some unknown reason exclusive to the attack titan and not oh idk THE FOUNDER. The reasoning will never not be dumb it's a cool power but it is fundamentally stupid. Furthermore even if the founder had this ability it would still be dumb btw.
@@collincaperton6718 every titan shifter has their own ability, you can't make an argument saying that they all should be able to see the future because one can, also the founder can see the future???
0:40 that titan with his hands on his hips is probably my favourite titan in the whole thing
It's a DIO reference. Similar to Eren doing the WRYY pose when fighting Reiner in S2.
@@kreatyboy idk what wryy is
@@inky3541 It's Dio's main pose from Jojo. He's leaning back with his arms out.
Just look up Dio Wry
The potato shaped titan standing perfectly straight next to him is the cherry on top
@@kreatyboyits actually when he was beating the life out of jotaro
The S4 scene where he was gonna blow his head off wouldn't have mattered, his balls would've remained in tact. Truly peak fiction.
Bahahahah
Bro lol
Wait, he transfers his conciseness into his balls and transforms, titans dont have balls, where his conciseness go?
@@troyscribner4342 The balls are in the Paths area
@@troyscribner4342only ymir knows
the thing that pisses me off most about it is that ball consciousness is NEVER used again. It just makes it stand out even more
Especially when you remember Eren being decapitated by Mikasa. If Reiner was able to do that, then I don’t see how the FUCKIN FOUNDING TITAN shouldn’t be able to do same!
@@shawnellesmithhonestly I thought that was what Eren did when Gabi blew his head off. But no. And also the war hammer ability to remotely control a titan would have also been extremely handy for that battle, didn't use that either. Weird that such things were introduced and they literally do not matter.
@@TheJotaroKujowait war hammer titan can control pure titans?
@@short_dose_of_internet no, the ability to create a titan out of pure hardened material and have it fight remotely while physically being somewhere else
@@trex576 oh,
I misunderstood
So Reiner surviving loosing his head is bullshit but Armin surviving getting turned into a rotisserie chicken and falling 150 feet isn't?
That's the point. They both are.
1. its anime usually in anime even total losers in other anime's fall from more than 200 feet and still barely live. 2. It was completely explained that titans basically die with one good shot at the nape. And finally 3. Even though its totally retarded, he wont slander his favorite charcter (probably)
The only reason he lived was by becoming the colossal Titan though so you could say not quite as much plot armor
@@captainflappyarms8277 he fell from 150 feet while being burnt blacker than myself. He was already on the verge of death when he was burnt and he shoudlve definitely died as soon as hit the ground
@@tiktokisgarbage good point
Fun fact: Aot's creater once said in an interview that his fav character was Reiner, so i must say im not surprised to see that Reiner lives every single mortal blow dealt to him
Edit: Dear god thats so many likes
Lmao I feel bad for him though.. He just wanted to die the most in the entire series
Reiner is isayama’s favorite son, he gets all the plot armor
@@seanofthedead3076 the plot armored titan
Isayama be like: ,,i will compromise the story, the themes, the world and believability of my power system, but Reiner Will Survive" and i love him for that
Reiner in pain
Reiner” just do it!”
Fans “no”
50-0. Undefeated. Never lost a fight. Never lost a round. Perfect Jawline. Donates some of his crimson chin to charity. 6'2. Got marco killed. Got porco killed. Got ymir killed. Got marcel killed. Does not care. Disowned his father. Let scouts develop thunder spears. Gave Eren buffs. Gave himself nerfs. Gave himself depression. Gave himself personality disorder. Not friends with umi da. Not friends with mankasa. Choked out schnoze. Responsible for 90% of the memes in this community.
He's the GOAT for a reason.
THE MF GOAT
What a comprehensive list.
He is my absolute fucking spirit animal.
They don't call him the Bad Guy for nothin'
The true hero of AoT. He should have beaten Eren's ass in Season 1
i don't know man, sometimes, after a nice uh, session, my consciousness transfers from my balls back to my head pretty damn quick.
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bro is a gooner
Lmao
Lucky for u there many man need to close their eye first to regain the control about half an hour later
Then you ask yourself why you stayed in...
Tbh none of it is as bad as Armin’s survival in this sequence of events. Your telling me he survived severe and I mean SEVERE third degree burns all over his body and again I mean ALL OVER fine maybe then immediately after surviving a fall of 60 meters which is nearly 200ft for people in used to the metric system. He is like dead beyond belief.
For real. Spoilers, but at the part where they were deciding who to give the shot to, I thought they were going to choose Armin, but it would have been way too late and he would have remained dead.
Bro had the n-word pass for like 10 minutes💀
@@conneraldeqn9751 BRO NAHHHH
Yeah, I don't think this is bad at all. Like, just make Reiner not get hit through the neck and the whole thing plays out exactly the same. Armin falling almost the height of the wall and surviving though? There's absolutely no way you can excuse that lmao
As long as his CNS has like a quarter of the cells working an Eldian can still titanize.
The cart titan has insanely good hearing. This has been demonstrated with her being the one to warn Zeke that their enemies are coming. That's why she was able to find them right away.
She also climbed over the wall at some point. Could have surveyed the whole situation without being noticed.
@@Scroolewse she also would have been seen and heard by everyone, since she's 15 meters tall and thousands of pounds
But couldnt warn about levi demolishing Zeke's titans?
Lol the cart Titan is amazingly annoying and dumb.. literally saves every twat from their deserved demise
The transfer of consciousness was only important because it's a founder ability that the armor got. Yimir could do it too and transfered her consciousness to the Paths
Now that sounds very cool. Zeke said that Ymir had wanted to escape death, so even after she had died she awoke in the Paths realm, where such thing as death doesn’t exist. And Armored Titan can transfer its consciousness to other body parts to escape death in a similar way.
isnt the armor of the titan, the power of the armored titan?
And also, the armored titan transfered his consciousness to his body, ymir's paths is a whole dimension where there is no future, present and past, and that conects all eldians, can we even make a paralel with transfering the cousciousness to the body with that?
@@samuel9294 Titans are shown to have multiple abilities from the Founder im pretty sure now and then.
Now this would have been cool if it was thought out and developed but instead it was only used once and never touched upon again
The lore stuff about extra abilities never made much sense to me. Like what the hell was in that vial that gave Eren the ability to create armor? How did Falco learn to fly, what the hell happened there with him and Annie?
I never noticed these flaws, specially on this arch which is my favourite. I think I was just soo lost on the plot that I completely suspended my disbelief
I think the show felt so oppressive and tense because of how Little we knew about the titans. They made us feel like the characters by creating some bullshit out of their ass; they didn't know they could do that, and neither did we. The characters practically knew nothing about the titans, and that was about to change at the end of this arc
TL;DR They made stuff of to suprise us and remind us we know nothing
These aren't flaws
He did the same with the entire concept of paths and the memory transfer shit etc, basically everything past right before the hand kissing scene
Are you a My Little Pony fan? Just curious, no harm or insults.
That doesnt change the fact reiner survives every BS thrown at him all the time.
@@CODA96in writing, this is called a Deus ex machina. It’s generally expected to have, at the very least one such event.
Well we do know that Isayama's favorite character is Reiner so more abilities and special treatment I guess
Jean is his favorite
@@nameunlisted1359 he said both
He has good taste then 😎
Nah its armong
Cringe Isayama not having my man Boss Flegel as his favorite
if you truly love a show you will notice all the things about it, flaws included. But the longer you know them, the more those flaws will become apparent.
Is it really a flaw when we're talking about a show with giant maneating titans transforming from worm spine fluid?
@@ibm30rpgwell, that worm spinal fluid thing was based on a real life ancient creature. It’s just buried under some dang tree waiting to infect someone
Of course his balls were big enough to host his consciousness after all the frustration he experienced from not being able to marry Historia.
I was screaming my head off when Reiner kept somehow surviving.
What bugs me is that Reiner can survive getting most of his head blown off, but Porco loses a much smaller chunk of his head and, oooooh no! He's too messed up to heal himself! Time to feed himself to Falco! And his last words being something to the effect of of, " I was always better than you after all, Reiner." Uh, no you weren't. You just gave up after getting a wound that Reiner could have easily healed from.
Yeah but if we skip over plot points of his sacrifice we can assume that : he just recieved memories about his brother wanting to protect him from war and thats why he wasnt choosen to be a warrior so maybe porco thought that since his brother sacrificed himself or rather sacrificed reiner for porco so he might as well sacrifice himself for someone else since hes already too injured to fight
Low-key I feel like I'm overhearing some girls in school gossiping to each other about those other *bitches* when reading your comment.
Probably because the jaw titan is not nearly as tenacious as the armored titan
Man I Agree Porco just felt like fodder for falco. Ereh should have been properly beaten before zeke intervened cuz he still would win later. he had zero stamina. where riener had plot armour porco was plot naked.
Or it's an ability exclusive to the Armored Titan and/or Porco doesn't know about it. Also seemed like Porco wanted to die.
The whole "transfering my consciousness" thing was always stupid to me. It was never set up, it never came back, and it only served to save Reiner in a situation where he should have been incredibly dead. I love this show, but that was a rare instance of bad writing in it
Edit: "Wah wah wah, I don't like the ending, that's bad writing!!1!1"
1. That is completely irrelevant to the point I'm trying to make. At no point did I bring up the ending in the original comment.
2. If you want my opinion on the ending: if you think it's poorly written or you think it betrays the themes of the show, then I think you don't understand what the show was trying to say in the first place. The ending is beautiful in it's tragedy and what it has to say about cycles and how just because we can't change the world forever doesn't mean what we do doesn't matter. I think most people are mad because it's not what they wanted, and not because it was actually of lower quality than the rest of the show
have you read the whole manga? cause the ending... is another example sadly. coming from someone who loves AOT and what it could have been
@@seanmundyphoto I'd like to point out the word "show"
(Also I liked the ending)
You know how shifting works right. And as thanos once said. Levi should have went for the head
@@SplontonSPOILER
you thought Reiner transferring consciousness was an asspull but not Mikasa being the key to breaking Ymir’s curse?
@@mamba7160 The Mikasa thing was set up very early on. The thing with Reiner just kinda happened and nobody acknowledged it ever again. I'm not gonna pretend that seeing Mikasa as a parallel to Ymir is not a good comparison, but it didn't come out of completely nowhere
for all the shit Reiner gets for how long he lives (and he should), it does play up his narrative symbol. Until the very end of the story Reiner was someone haunted by the sacrifices of those around him and all he ever wanted was a peaceful escape to death. But by circumstance and stupid luck he is never able to. His tragedy is that he is unable to gain the peace he wants by almost godlike intervention while Eren, the other side of his coin, does achieve his perfect peaceful victory in the end. Dosent excuse the writing but makes it not really a problem for me given how his character story was done.
if Reiner wanted to die the 19 thunder spears was his ticket. the reality is that Reiner is a guilty coward who will cling to life and let others die for him. marcel, bertholdt, Marco, porco. Reiner is one of the most evil people in the show.
@@JohnDoe-ligma tf, that’s chimp logic. Reiner did not make Proco and Marcel die for him, they did it for their own reasons that are beat into your skull if you have any media literacy. You also clearly just don’t pay attention to the nuance of the argument if your going to say “well why dident he just die that one time”
@@JohnDoe-ligmaeren is the most evil, reiner has been indoctrinated about hate, if you don't know how things work don't comment
@@JohnDoe-ligma ..... Lmao the lack of empathy
Also, John Doe.
.. U a Seven fan too, huh?
@@priyamshome7005 empathy? Reiner massacred a bunch of innocent people and literally provoked a genocidal war. And idk what seven is
I honestly loved that Reiner specifically can transfer/disperse his consciousness to prevent serious incapacitation or death. It fits so well with the theme of his titan. You thought his durability stopped at his armor? Nah good luck taking this guy down period.
I'm honestly disappointed he's not given BETTER durability/resilience feats.
Yeah I agree. It didn't particularly offend me either. He never got into such a dire situation later in the story and it fits his defensive theme as you say.
Dude he fight all those titan eren spawn is testament of his resilience I don't think pre S4 Reiner could hold tht long
@@Gahanun fr, its called the armored titan, u think this mf don't got unkillable defensive abilities? the attack titan can literally see the future, but this is crazy?
The armor titan is know for it's resilience and tenacity.
He's the Plot Armour Titan.
I chuckled :D
Funny how Porco gets half his head blown off and dies, while Reiner endures all this bs and is still alive
Reiner is like "just lemmie die" and is unironically the most durable character, dude just can't be put down.
I just can’t think of any realistic way that Reiner could survive a surprise attack against Levi, and I doubt Isayama could either, while still giving his characters the opportunity to take the initiative, so he came up with the transferring consciousness ploy. When I read these chapters for the first time, my thought was that Reiner would at least be permanently trapped in his Titan body, providing a severe downside to escaping death. But nope. From what we know, Reiner is pretty invincible.
To be fair, that still didn't stop him from losing just about every single fight.
Yeah I feel like having it be different way could also be hard. I mean if Isayama just had Levi not attack any vital points then it would be clearly Levi's totally basic mistake as he had perfect opportunity which he didn't use, something that I feel like wouldn't fit what we know of Levi up to that point. He is one of most skilled fighters in whole series so I having him do such a blatant mistake just for plot convinience also wouldn't feel right.
@@mrszmatan2727An easy fix is to give Reiner some kind of special Marleyan equipment to make his entrance easier. Maybe a smoke bomb? Would be pretty hard for Levi to stab someone he can't see, or make Reiner leap out of the walls and ODM his way somewhere else necessitating that Levi has to chase him instead of instantly murder him
The cart titan was literally on top of the wall looking over the town and would have easily seen the scouts with reiner, connie was literally on a roof too, and reiner would be letting off lots of steam she wouldve seen
her finding reiner is not hard
Especially since Reiner's "defeat" involved a very visible explosion from the thunderspears
Also, the cart titan is THE stealth Titan. Pieck does all the undercover wet work! Not a stretch of the imagination to believe she got in there undetected.
There is no fucking way they wouldnt notice a titan on any of the walls surrounding Shiganshina. It still doesnt make sense
@@nickcolleton5684 yeah
the virgin actual explanation into how it could have happened vs the chad "idk man just suspend your disbelief"
Not too mention the fact that consciousness having a location in our body is a long time philosophical question itself
You always hear how men tend to think with their other head. Reiner said "bet".
The idea of a shifter using their titan body as a surrogate for their consciousness as their human body regenerates is pretty cool. Titans don't have most organs but they do have a brain. So reiner living using this power is fine when bertholdt goes to him after the spears mess him up the first time. The other use with Levi is a little iffy though
The problem is that isn't even a viable way of explaining it away because Reiner got impaled through the neck before transforming.
0:42 that titan is standing like such a gentlemen
Giving Dio vibes
Levi: "No, you can't just survive getting impaled and slit!"
Reiner: "Haha plot armor go brrr."
Honestly I’m willing to accept this total BS just for the shot at 0:04 alone. I LOVE how gross and detailed Reiner’s half-regenerated head is
I totally agree about the transferring conscious by Reiner, that’s the only time throughout the entire show that I just put my hands up and went, well that’s dumb as hell! And it’s never talked about or explained again. It felt like the only time this show pulled one of those shonen plot armor tricks that you see in something like Bleach or something.
The only part of this I disagree with is the sword in his chest messes with the consciousness transfer, remember, he saw levi coming, transferred his consciousness, got stabbed in the neck, THEN got stabbed in the chest, his consciousness could still be intact in his limbs and such (although the power suddenly showing up, barely being explained, then not showing up again is still stupid)
The amount of hurdles needed to jump through to defend this just shows it’s not good writing lmao
@@sammybutler3027 theres no hurdles to jump through, that's simply the order of events we're shown, just because no one paid attention to it doesn't mean it's complicated
Tbh I’m willing to just let AOT get away with this one because the fact it’d be an actual upside for the armored titan which would otherwise be like literally the worst titan.
The armor on the armor titan is easily beaten by just crystalizing your fists. Which essentially every titan can do, it is trash.
@@kostadim7892 yeah, it makes sense given its armour is so easily outclassed towards the latter seasons, but more set up and explanation would've been nice
@@SuperSpider9098 that event shouldn’t have even happened if he can’t explain in less than a paragraph how reiner managed to survive its just making abilities up
Given that every titan has some unique ability... (cart - ability to stay in titan form for months, jaw - has the hardest hardening, attack - can receive future memories, female - extra good at manifesting)
...I don't see a problem with Reiner's consciousness transfer ability. It matches the toughness of the armored perfectly, making him harder to kill.
Also we don't know how deep Levi stabbed into his chest - it would have had to go almost all the way through his torso to cut his spine.
5:25 you can literally see the sword come out of his back.
@@iaminconstantpain4330 true, I never noticed! I guess it could be explained by his consciousness moving again to dodge that point in his body😅
@@loganshalloe5927 Or Levi missing the spine with this stab, I guess…
like many other's have mentioned, "It was never set up, it never came back." thats a huge issue with the lore. Not to mention no other titan shifters had any other powers in their human form aside from wolverine healing. It's a contrived plot device. I still love the show, but this part could have been written better.
@@psython2160 Hmm, I agree that it could've been at least mentioned later but many other powers also seemed to come out of nowhere with little to no setup. And it's not true that all other shifters only had healing in human form. Frieda wiped memories, while Lara Tybur and Eren could create stuff with the Warhammer Titan power.
I mostly agree with this video. I think the ability to transfer your consciousness into your body is one of the few times I felt like a power was contrived into the story. Every other titan power was set up as a mystery, or was spread throughout. It all was used more than once. But this? No set up, and it's never used again. I won't say it doesn't make sense, since Titan Spinal Bullshit™ seems possible, it's just kind of bleh compared to every other ability.
I think Reiner surviving can easily be explained by Isayama's want to torture Reiner as much as possible. Obviously, he has the worst kind of plot armor.
@@vesi7993 Yup, completely agree.
What about the Colossal poofing out of existence in his second appearance?
@@seg162 That is inconsistent, but I mostly feel like it doesn't majorly effect the plot. It might have some minor changes. This one would have killed Reiner, ultimately shifting the story from this point forward.
Okay so let's just ignore when Eren got his entire head shot off by a sniper rifle and still survived.
@@ibm30rpg Well, humans are thought to remain conscious for up to 30 seconds after decapitation. If all it needed was Eren to be conscious for him to be "alive" then that was well within the time span from being shot to touching Zeke.
This is like playing with your little brother and he can't stop making random rules up so he stays in the game
Another moment that I thought was dumb as hell was when Eren and co. were in the crystal cavern as it was caving in. Eren needed the hardening ability to protect everyone and whadyaknow there just so happens to be a bottle of armour juice in the bag next to him. This is so unsatisfying. Would it have been such a stretch that hardening is an inherent ability that titan shifters have that can be brought out with training? That's exactly what Eren was doing prior to this arc: training to gain the hardening ability. After all, Annie had hardening powers. Zeke is shown to have hardening powers. Reiner has an extreme case of hardening powers which you could say is the best hardening of any of the titans. We also know that the walls themselves were erected using the hardening powers of millions of colossal titans. A life-or-death moment of crisis like what Eren was experiencing in the cavern would have been the perfect time for him to unearth this ability. But no, just down a conveniently-placed chug jug, and you're done. So stupid.
Honestly id of called bs regardless we dont see hardening on that scale again till the warhammer titan
And its his first time using it
@@dozergames2395 Actually no, I would say that it makes sense for his first time to be so impressive, he just ingested it and there was a lot of it in his system. After that, he does either turns the full titan into hardening (deplenishing his energy) OR just small tricks like Annie did.
They could have had the same exact scene minus the armor juice. He just magically learns how to do it because he wants to protect his friends or whatever, that would have been fine.
The popular consensus is that it's a bottle of the Armored Titan's spinal fluid. Just like how Falco's Jaw Titan got traits of the Beast Titan due to Zeke's spinal fluid, it's not a stretch to imagine both Eren and Annie having ingested Armored Titan fluid.
I've been thinking the same. Aot has such jawdropingly amazing twists and plot developments that it baffles me when Iseyama uses something as simple as plot armor
when i was watching this fight again with my father i was saying the same thing, not only did reiner have insane plot armor from the start of levi "missing" his nape. It also seemed that all the characters just went dumb during this fight, Erwin and Levi standing and having a calm conversation while they're men get trampled by rocks, Mikasa and her team acted as if they never took a titan down after Reiner got thunderspeared and Hange came in and did it all for them within seconds while they sat on the building.
the reason they couldnt take down reiner is because they had only one thunderspear left and their blades didnt work. hange saved the day because she had one more thunderspear to open reiners mouth, letting mikasa take him down with the last spear
the transfer consciousness thing is bs, ill give you that, but erwin and levi being cool is kinda their thing, so im fine with it
@mcbaws21 fair points, can't disagree
They also were hesitant to finish him and kinda needed hange to nudge them in the right direction
@@JamesConoverhe was their fuckin comrade!! Emotions goddammit!... Berthold was hesitant to finish armin, Annie was hesitant with marcel as she was with armin... So stop looking for flaws and enjoy the show. Reiner's survival isn't even that bad, he got stabbed twice, he's the greatest armored titan, with one of the best regenerative abilities.
Someone else already talked about the thunderspear thing so I'll talk about Erwin and Levi. What else were they supposed to do? Become desperate and start screaming? They were put in a very hard spot with seemingly no exit, so they had to plan something. Erwin was always very calm in planning and Levi is... Levi, he rarely gets too emotional.
2:54 "..a death amount" 😆 that cracked me up
reason why the cart titan know where reiner is
hange literally fired a flare to executed reiner.
Mikasa did next to Armin, not Reiner
The Cart probably heard Hange’s loud voice
I agree the plot device where they can transfer the conciseness to their body is just stupid, like transfer where? there is no place in the body that can store a full brain worth of data
Man I am a Reiner stan first and foremost but I do completely agree with you here. This shit always struck me as so strange like yeah it's cool to see my favourite character surviving but why can he suddenly do all that?? I've always found it a little goofy. Also the end of the video got a good laugh out of me because my roommate is constantly teasing me or having a favourite character who can effectively put his brain in his nuts lmao 😭
Yikes.. Reiner fan
On one hand I do think the whole "transferring consciousness" thing is an ass pull on the face of it.
However, on closer inspection I do feel it CAN work if framed as something that the Titan Research Institute had discovered. It'd make sense, the Titans already violate many laws of biology and even physics, and a militant nation like Marley would definitely try and investigate all the strange quirks surrounding their greatest military assets.
Looking back Reiner getting stabbed was definitely an attempt to plant it for when he gets his head blown off later, but I feel it was too little since we weren't aware of Marley or any of their potential institutions yet
Definitely a sticking point in an otherwise very smartly written story. Not a huge one, but definitely something there
2:47 to be fair Reiner’s eyes did return after getting stabbed in the chest meaning he could’ve switched it back. But I do see wym with Reiner I noticed the same thing after season 3, he just can’t seem to die even though he was suppose to so many times
How does his consciousness return back to his brain if the sword has severed the pathway?
@@remphz3321we have multiple nerve endings that goes through the body and Outside the spinal cord.
All that’s needed is a single nerve surviving
@@inteallsviktigt a single cell? Are you kidding me? Cutting through the brainstem can cause near instantaneous death.
@@remphz3321 no shit, but we are talking about people who can grow back limbs and turn to 10m tall monstrosities in 2 seconds. And I mean that there just needs to exist an uninterrupted connection in the body.
@@inteallsviktigt lol there’s a limit you do realize that right? If you’re damaged to the point that your body can’t heal enough, you’re dead. So nearly severing the brain steam, pierced through the heart/lungs, and a fall from 40 meters should have been more than enough.
Lmfao that ending.
That hard hitting restrospective and analysis id precisely why i pay for my internet.
Lol great video
"I STABBED YOU THROUGH THE NECK, HOW THE HELL DIDNT YOU DI-"
"I think with balls"
Reiner can't harden himself like Annie did with the crystal, this is most likely due to the female titan also known as the "mimic titan"
Gains its abilities by eating other parts of titan-shifters, as Annie mentions Marley had her eat multipe things in titan form.
So she most likely got the crystal-ability from the Warhammer
Except the only reason Eren can harden was because he drunk a bottled labeled with armor titan fluid
That and the fact that Zeke's beast titan can also create Crystal out of his titan
Actually we did see Reiner harden himself. He was shown to harden his fingers when he climbed the wall. He just never hardened at any other point in the series. What VG said above also proves that wrong.
Not to mention that it is impossible that Annie got her hardening abilities from the Warhammer since the Tyburs had decided to separate themselves from the conflict and kept the Warhammer hidden for generations, Wily himself asks Magath if he can guess which of the Tyburs he thinks has has the Warhammer
Reiner doesn't harden like Annie because his hardening permanent, and most likely stronger than crystal hardening, but it is the same thing, that's why it was affected by Eren using the founder to undo all hardening within the walls
Honestly Levi should have done his usual thing and turned absolutely every bit of Reiner into minced meat, but he chose to be sloppy. This happens with Zeke as well. He almost killed him several times over.
this part, Armin surviving a fall from the height of the colossal titan, and Levi handing Zeke a bomb as a "hostage" are all unfortunate stains on the great series as a whole
Fancy seeing you here.
Bruh I thought the same thing like Why would Levi a Smart character And Leader Do something so stupid. , They needed to find a way To have Zeke Escape and Levi to be out of the story for awhile
First time watching but I can tell you love the show, loving something means recognizing it's flaws.
I was also at the point where, reading this chapter, I had accepted it as an "Isayama HJ" intended to quickly power up Reiner to survive some crazy stuff. Didn't expect it to NEVER come up again though, it seems so useful.
No, the first piece of bullsh!t was that the guy who found Reiner didnt see a massive outline of where reiner cut out the hole before tapping on that part of the wall.
3:20 I find it odd how he never used those super hardened fists on his fights, I'm pretty sure one hit from that and not even Eren would be able to tank it without his arm or head being pulverized (unless he did use them on a fight and i'm unaware)
6:07
INTO HIS WHAT?!?!?
AAAAAYYYOOOOO
Butt also?
The f bomb at 2:40 caught me of guard so much. Love the video and the title
If they did it the way you suggested, then Zeke would have had nobody to save him, and the show ends here.
thank you! i'm so happy someone finally addressed this. reiner had sasuke levels of plot armor but most people don't talk about it yet
Banger but Reiner is my absolute favorite character... Sooooo I'm happy for this bullshit
Why, he’s an absolute twat and a murderer lol
1:43 breathing tube where zeke was hiding
dope asf
I remember watching that part and being annoyed that reiner just wont fucking die. If they didnt want too kill him they just shouldnt have given him so many "deathblows"
Your analysis is awesome, I agree that with such an excellent show, little plot holes would stand out. Still love AOT with all my gosh darn heart
This just makes me even more pissed that my man Bertholdt was the one who had to die.
cringe Bertholdt enjoyer
another day of reiner being isayamas fav. but the last part got me crying HHAHAAH
2:56 Reiner summarized in one phrase💀
Plot armour Titan, Isayama's fav character, no wonder he didn't die
That is so true even with out that there are no other examples of ANY titans let alone the armoured being able to transfer their consciousness, I mean no one else ever did anything like that in the whole anime. Ty collateral for this vid
Thanos to Thor: You should've gone for the head
Reiner to Levi: You should've gone for the balls
The "so no head?" Fkn bodied me💀💀
Honestly, this could've been easily mitigated by Reiner dodging just enough for it not to be a lethal blow and attributing it to his warrior training, but Levi can't be fallible in battle because he is stupid levels OP, so *of course* Reiner never stood a chance.
Makes me wonder how the story would change if Reiner died right here
Glad you pointed this out, on first watch Reiners survival immediately felt like a stretch to me. But I decided to take the shows explanation at face value, and decide for myself if it's valid later. I hoped it wasn't a quick lore retcon and that is was a more integral part of titan biology I guess
3:05 they can survive their limbs being chopped off & losing organs, I’m sure that drop was nothing to Reiner
That's not the problem,the drop DID nothing to him .
No damage at all ,he dropped on his head.
Is his head made of vibranium?
How come it didn't just splash like watermelon?
It could be argued that Eren has worse plot armor than Reiner. He was literally decapitated in S4, not to mention he was devoured by a Titan in S1. Reiner, Eren, and Arman survived things they shouldn’t have, but why do we only focus on Reiner?
Ngl just saw this on yt shorts, ur content is hella good
imagine if AOT was a board game and there was a card you could pull where you'd just transfer your consciousness to your testicles.
Don't forget, Attack on Titan was named as the "Game of Thrones" of anime for how many characters died, meanwhile in the series we have characters with plot armor that AREN'T the main character lol.
I think a 5 year old girl (obvious exaggeration) being able to hold a fucking anti titan rifle and perfectly aim it to sever erens head is ridiculous. Let's not forget why she's there in the first place, doing some apex legends slide perfectly headshotting someone flying midair, sneaking onto a ship full of people that somehow don't see her, and killing sasha, then once in prison somehow overpowering a grown man.
Bro watch my Gabi vid I say the same stuff their😂
@@collateral8920 I JUST WATCHED THE VIDEO, I SWEAR TO GOD I HAVE NEVER SEEN IT. THERE'S NO WAY WE BOTH SAID "APEX LEGENDS SLIDE" LOL
Reiner:No one understands me.
Levi:A clown tought i am a kid. 🗿
I believe all of this coincidence has to do with how Future Eren influenced his life to instill the perfect conditions and values into each and every person he could, including his battles. I’m not sure how exactly, as we aren’t shown, but I believe that these many coincidences are because of Future Eren’s oversight (outside of Reiner being impaled in the chest, where his consciousness is, which is just what it is I guess).
Eren uses ball transfer later in s4 when his head is shot off.
They could have just explained the stabs with the real life fact that you remain conscious for a few seconds after youre beheaded
consciousness is stored in the balls
people forgot that the real MC is Reineer. MC doesnt die
Even though Reiner is my favourite character in the show I still hated this while watching it. I think what happened was that Isyama wanted to showcase multiple things through Reiner but still wanting him alive, like Eren's new hardening and the thunder spears, but he didn't think it though very well.
I think I can explain this. Reiner has the armoured titan so he automatically gets plot armour
“Unrealistic plot twists.”
That’s what tends to happen when it’s a show rooted in fiction😂
There's plenty of fictional stories that do not do this. It's just lazy writing. I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Because it's made up it can't be consistent? Are you stupid?
Okay, there's unrealistic plottwists, and then there "My brain is my balls now so decapitation don't work no more! And no I will never bring this up ever again!"
@@patchwurk6652 if an author fr said that,. I wouldn’t argue with it. Cause it’s their story. If you have such a big problem with things like these, then go write ur own manga lmao. Get off isayamas D. it shouldn’t be his job to cater to what you think should’ve happened. It’s not my fault you have a problem enjoying this man’s story.
This was when I knew reiner was going to live through the whole anime.
5:59 it’s been a while since I watched but didn’t they not pursue the cart because they were pretty much all out of odm gas?
We're reacting to this on the podcast right now. Dope vid ;)
Bro it's literally in the name of the titan, the ARMORED titan and he uses his ability plot ARMOR...what is so hard to get
Bro, why is everyone so mad that the ARMORED titan has crazy durability feats I never understood that