Come on, giving a 4 for a 30" length that is 30 inches, giving a 4 for a 6 1/8 brace that is 6 1/8. I thought you were reviewing the bow not what you want!
If a bow hits the advertise weight and draw and brace height, and other specs, I don’t see why it wouldn’t get all fives. I don’t care about your opinion anymore than you care about mine, but you are starting to gain a large following I believe because of your truth telling. It would be nice to award bow companies for their truth, whether you like the specs or not. As soon as you start giving marks for opinions more than truth, on the advertised specs you become just another, RUclips quiver sniffer with a camera. I believe you’re having success on here because of your honesty not just your opinion. So whether you like it or not truth is truth.
I just realized that after watching the video through again a second time. It seems to defeat the purpose of measuring to see if the bow matches the factory specs given if MFJJ is just going to give it 1 less point bc it's not ideal to making a bow more accurate. I'm still a fan of who he is and what he does though lol. Just a bit confused and disappointed with giving the score according to his opinion which is fine I'd say for other features but when it comes to specs, if a bow hits those specs according to what it states it is, it should be given full credit.
Guys he has to sell Mathew’s bows first. They have different dealer rules than other companies. They have to buy a certain amount upfront so they need to sell those to not lose money. Then it’s a large entrance fee ( around 30k) to become a dealer and if they don’t sell a certain amount of bows they lose their Mathew’s dealership. This is why his reviews, along with other guys reviews, have heavy bias towards mathews. So he will down play other companies bows with subjective stuff to make Mathew’s look better.
Would love to see a 2024 Bow review special. Think of it like a NFL gameday highlight reel. Going over each of the bows specs one at a time. Show FPS and then give the data for each bow. Then Vibrations, etc.
So a bow is advertised as a 30" ATA bow.. It measures at a 30" ATA... So you give it a 4.. because you dont like short bows. Thats retarded. It gets a 5 of 5 on ATA because it hits the advertised specs. Speed- this is closet to hitting its advertised speed than any other bow tested this year... and thats on MJFF's slow arse chrono... I dont like the reflex either. But are we scoring bows on what they like? Or whether or not they are hitting advertised specs? Josh jumps around like a leap frog- Why try to use specific measurable standards for scoring when you factor in your likes and dislikes into some categories that are supposed to be measurable and graded on accuracy? Why not just tell us your opinion and throw out standards.
And it had same numbers as the Mathew's on vibration, yet the Mathew's got a 5 and the PSE got a 4. For someone that doesn't favor Mathew's, sure tries pretty damn hard to make them shine
@@DanielMcleod-z1q this guy can be biased sometimes thats why I dont take this review very seriously. Also I tested this bow speed and got 339 fps. Same with PJ from lancaster (338). He makes decent reviews i like him but he needs to stop being biased
$2k for a bow?? It’s all bullshit hype every year. Got a bowtech experience in 2013 all setup for $600 and it still shoots fast and accurate. Would not change it.
We need a video where you shoot deflexed vs reflexed. I’d bet the bows geared toward hunting you can’t shoot the difference. Some I’d even bet past 60 you won’t even see a big enough difference to justify your incessant need to point out reflex.
The PSE got marked down on ATA because in his opinion he wanted to see that number higher. Gave the Mathews 29.5 a top score on ATA because their specs matched his measurements. 🤷♂️
So you are talking down reflex on this bow but PJ Riley did a video on this bow and it won a 2024 comparison against longer axle to axle bows. There is supposed to be something on the bow that recenters you and/or doesn’t allow you to torque the bow. They were getting good groups at okay distance for a short bow. I’d love you to add in some distance shots to your reviews!!!!
I believe PJ mentions that’s because of the ‘variable brace height’ and how the brace height becomes longer at full draw. NOT that it has anything to do with the reflex. Did I mishear PJ?
Bow is 30 inches, measured at 30 inches and you you marked it down because you think it should have been made in a longer. Smh. Tell me you’re a PSE hater without telling me you’re a PSE hater.
This bow destroys Mathew's nonsense of "specific modules provide better performance across all draw lenghts". Mathews uses mods because loves selling 180 spare parts to shops, and that's all...
Have you researched limb angle much? You are harsh on reflex but don’t take into account how much forward facing limb angles counter torque. I completely agree longer risers are more stable, but at the same time if it takes a flat beyond parallel limb to get there you loose every ounce of benefit. Hence the reason most target bows have forward facing limb pockets with risers relatively short compared to over all axle to axle.
Yes, reflex doesn’t matter. When it comes to resisting torque about the axis of the grip, it’s all about brace height, limb design and cam design. The horizontal distance at full draw from where the string contacts the cam to the axis of the grip is the moment arm that is resisting torque. Grip pressure and torque is a variable in even the best archers. We are humans with a heart beat.
Great review even though I would say that some of your scoring seems to defeat the purpose of "measuring" to see if the bows measurements are according to factory stated specs. If you score based off of your opinion of the specs then why even measure for the specs in the first place? Other than that i enjoyed watching the video. Maybe somethings you can add is how stable the bow feels at full draw, like does it feel like it torques easy or does it feel like it just wants to float, etc. Maybe see how easy it groups at 40yds or so incomparison to other bows. These are just some ideas because at the end of the day, the question we all want to know is, why this bow and is it the one for me according to your thoughts and opinions. We want a practical take away which you somewhat already do, but if you can be more clear and intentional with your conclusion in being consistent with all your conclusion that would be most appreciated by im sure most if not everyone watching.
Well what do you know another bow with a longer brace and a published speed that is under the MATHEWS LIFT but coming in faster. The MATHEWS fanboy lightest fastest bow ever made is complete BS
I'm currently shooting a Phase 4 33. I'm looking to go more compact. You going with a Lift and switching over accessories or is the extra price of the Mach 30 worth it? Keep hearing how this bow 'floats' on target. Any comment on that?
What! how can you give them a 4 on brace height if it matched what the specs were? same with riser length ? are you giving points based on what you think or based on how factual what they advertised was? I know this is my personal opinion but i feel if a brace height and ATA match exactly as they advertise it that should be an instant 5 , you cant fault a bow for personal opinions. With that being said i do HIGHLY respect you and very much enjoy your content, thanks for what you do.
Agreed. It's like folks that go online to review an expensive leading brand product and they say " wow, this was great, it did everything better than the competition" and then they give it a score of 3 out of 5, because the product the elected to buy is perceived as being "expensive". I'm getting a little off topic but I think cost should NOT be factor into aggregate review scores. Offer an opinion of value as a complete separate score that is NOT aggregated with performance scores. Again, not saying Podium is doing that...but I see it too often including by another archery reviewer - who also seems like a great and very well meaning guy doing good work - just don't aggregate cost score with performance score. We aren't monkeys. I think. LOL.
It might get the Hog nod... Shorter axles stay out of the saw grass in the salt marsh. Bow hunters do more than just "Out West" / "tree stand" or saddle. I hunt hogs from the ground on foot. All you do is walk... or wade. The whole time you wish your bow was lighter and shorter. Like a kid on X mas with the Podium Archery reviews. Thanks!
Same here, 99% of my hunting is jogging through the woods in the dark and then having to take shots in horrible lighting conditions on targets that never stop moving.
Overseas carbon manufacturing is sketchy. Hopefully the bow industry learns from the bike industry and actually QCs their tolerances. Glad to heat that PSE is doing that here in the US.
I find it humorous that the Mathews intentionally attempts to address vibration and with their rubber sandwich limbs, and fail to produce the best results in that category. Thanks for the honest reviews. Ever consider a way to measure riser flex?
I just can’t take this review serious now. 5/5 on speed but wants a longer BH? Well it’s a give and take. Show me a bow that does that speed on a 7” BH. Square grip? It’s carbon fiber, corners are not good on carbon fiber.
Hey Josh! I trust your opinion and wanted to ask a question about your review. You made some comments about the extreme reflex on this bow for good reason. But the PSE marketing material makes a point of the “Full Draw Stability” system, and says something about the string angle at full draw on this bow being equal to the string angle of longer ATA bows. I’ve also heard your comments on the fireside chats with Tim about how the exit angle of a string from the cam at full draw contributes to positive or negative shooting characteristics. So two questions: first, is this marketing claim true? Does this bow indeed have a string exit angle, or whatever you call it, that is more desirable than you’d expect from a 30” ATA bow with 3” of reflex? And 2. If so, how are they achieving this? Appreciate your time, thanks! I’m considering this bow really seriously, because surprise surprise, my RX-7 isn’t tuning and I’m tired of the 1990’s , which is where my bow’s tuning system seems to be stuck.🤣
Pj Riley says that about every bow he shoots. He has never gave anything a negative review. This guy is just giving his opinion, sorry he didn’t say your bow was the most amazing thing he’s ever seen.
i shot bowtech for years now been shoot hoyt for years-looks to me that bow is the best hunting carbon bow ever made -its light, fast ,low vibe, so very quiet , usa made, hits all the specs and if you get the other fast cam its a 350fps beast it just needs true yokes cant stand that kind of yoke shit
So "currently" there is only the 34" and 30" MACH, how do you feel an in between size would fair in comparison to this 30"? I don't think I want to go up to a 34" for myself, and hope something in between comes out. Thoughts? (Enjoyed meeting you at the TAC in Colorado last year, "Florida Boys".)
So in 18 years bows have only gained close to 15fps? We were shooting 215-225 in the 90's @70lb and 5gpp. I thought more gains would happen in that amount of time.
If a bow comes to you right on the specs then it should get top scores! You shouldn’t grade bows based on your subjective thoughts, i.e. stability or long range accuracy based on reflex!? That’s hogwash, shoot the bows at 40 or 60 yards and then decide! Bias is evident in your reviews, watch them back yourself and you’ll see. Just give us the honest numbers, most of us watch your videos and can pick up your bias and sometimes subjective off the wall grading criteria!?
I see everyone’s point complaining of the unfair review compared to the mathews. (i think) But could it be that those two bows are being judged in two different categories? One is carbon and the other aluminum. I actually was bored and went back and forth to watch both reviews. He seemed to score them both with a little bit of his opinion/perspective. I don’t think it’s apples to apples since those two bows are in different categories.
if you are "consistency and accuracy driven", test it. Yes, test accuracy , otherwise it is pointless. Then talk about things that do not matter at all (reflex).
Yeah his style of measurement is wrong, simply doesn't make sense to reference the frontal area of the pocket instead of the rocket area Just take what MFJJ 😀
@@liamboyle9199It doesn’t make sense to measure any reflex geometry from any point as it pertains to full draw resistance to hand torque about the axis of the grip. Draw the free body diagram and do a static analysis at full draw and you’ll see why riser reflex is a pointless measurement. An easy way to see this is to pull back a newer Mathews and compare it to any high reflex, long limb, non parallel limb bow of the past. I have a V3 that incurs much more angular deflection during hand torque at full draw than my older Martins and it has nothing to do with reflex measurement. It’s all about brace height and the rearward horizontal travel of the tangent point of the string to the cam. Or in the case of a Mathews hunting bow, the forward horizontal travel due to its cam and limb design.
The number on vibration right after shot was 6 twice and 8 and jumped when you moved. I’m not saying that because I love pse I shoot a prime but was just noticing that.
I don’t understand all the haters of the reviews. He gives you the numbers so you can decide what’s important to you. The scores are just his opinion of what he likes to see in a bow. I like that I can find an apples to apples comparison of most of the major manufacturers in one place.
I think the issue is that he is kind of haphazard and inconsistent in how he scores different bows...sometimes it almost seems like he is trying to put his thumb on the scale...more likely he is just winging it and isn't trying to be an engineer about it and doesn't really care if he isn't totally consistent. Which is fine after you figure that out and it is still good information and entertaining.
Alexa turned on the bedroom light and woke me up at 5:20 AM. I checked and saw that this video was posted two hours ago. I wonder if Alexa knew this video was there and wanted me to see it. He's reviewing at a marathon pace. Wow!
wish you gave some points for being the only carbon riser made in AMERICA
Elites are also made in house. Rochester NY
I’d much have the Hoyt American/Italian hybrid.
@@lewisracecarsyeah but it’s an elite
Elite are made overseas. I emailed them and they confirmed that
America can’t do anything right anymore so id much rather have an import do my carbon riser
Come on, giving a 4 for a 30" length that is 30 inches, giving a 4 for a 6 1/8 brace that is 6 1/8. I thought you were reviewing the bow not what you want!
If a bow hits the advertise weight and draw and brace height, and other specs, I don’t see why it wouldn’t get all fives. I don’t care about your opinion anymore than you care about mine, but you are starting to gain a large following I believe because of your truth telling. It would be nice to award bow companies for their truth, whether you like the specs or not. As soon as you start giving marks for opinions more than truth, on the advertised specs you become just another, RUclips quiver sniffer with a camera. I believe you’re having success on here because of your honesty not just your opinion. So whether you like it or not truth is truth.
Well said I was thinking the same thing too.
I just realized that after watching the video through again a second time. It seems to defeat the purpose of measuring to see if the bow matches the factory specs given if MFJJ is just going to give it 1 less point bc it's not ideal to making a bow more accurate. I'm still a fan of who he is and what he does though lol. Just a bit confused and disappointed with giving the score according to his opinion which is fine I'd say for other features but when it comes to specs, if a bow hits those specs according to what it states it is, it should be given full credit.
Rated at 338 fps so it's within 4 fps the Mathews was 10 fps slower that it's advertised speed 😅😂
Putting more weight in honesty with the bow specs vs how it feels and shoots? What?!
Guys he has to sell Mathew’s bows first. They have different dealer rules than other companies. They have to buy a certain amount upfront so they need to sell those to not lose money. Then it’s a large entrance fee ( around 30k) to become a dealer and if they don’t sell a certain amount of bows they lose their Mathew’s dealership. This is why his reviews, along with other guys reviews, have heavy bias towards mathews. So he will down play other companies bows with subjective stuff to make Mathew’s look better.
That is the quietest bow I have heard shot in a long time!
Would love to see a 2024 Bow review special. Think of it like a NFL gameday highlight reel. Going over each of the bows specs one at a time. Show FPS and then give the data for each bow. Then Vibrations, etc.
Thanks for another great detailed review! When they make a 36"+ levitate I will be interested.
Just curious why you don’t check timing and tiller?
You can special order it with the S2 cam, I really want to see those speeds.
Only time I wish I didn't live in Australia... we won't see these for funking ages.. love ya work
Gives us time to save for them
What part of aus you in mate? Qlder?
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I'm glad I'm living in Australia id be broke in no time if we had shops like these haha
@@jaydensankey2301 hahaha fuckn oath
That's smoking fast on the EC2 cam
Cool video! The moaning into the mic after the draw is tough to listen to though.
Do you have any plans on reviewing Xpedition' Xlite 31 or 33? Would love to see how you'd score it.
Man that's one cool garage.
What one would you choose that bowl or the new Hoyt RX8
So a bow is advertised as a 30" ATA bow.. It measures at a 30" ATA... So you give it a 4.. because you dont like short bows. Thats retarded. It gets a 5 of 5 on ATA because it hits the advertised specs. Speed- this is closet to hitting its advertised speed than any other bow tested this year... and thats on MJFF's slow arse chrono... I dont like the reflex either. But are we scoring bows on what they like? Or whether or not they are hitting advertised specs? Josh jumps around like a leap frog- Why try to use specific measurable standards for scoring when you factor in your likes and dislikes into some categories that are supposed to be measurable and graded on accuracy? Why not just tell us your opinion and throw out standards.
And it had same numbers as the Mathew's on vibration, yet the Mathew's got a 5 and the PSE got a 4. For someone that doesn't favor Mathew's, sure tries pretty damn hard to make them shine
@@DanielMcleod-z1q this guy can be biased sometimes thats why I dont take this review very seriously. Also I tested this bow speed and got 339 fps. Same with PJ from lancaster (338). He makes decent reviews i like him but he needs to stop being biased
Would the other cams you referred to be better?
$2k for a bow?? It’s all bullshit hype every year. Got a bowtech experience in 2013 all setup for $600 and it still shoots fast and accurate. Would not change it.
Bruh, thx for all the cool videos and I know it's super busy with archery season but your work area is trash! Lol get it together
That bow looks like the developer just got real lazy and said the hell with and put two holes in the upper and lower frame and called it day. Ugly.
Can you do a review on the nock 30
We need a video where you shoot deflexed vs reflexed. I’d bet the bows geared toward hunting you can’t shoot the difference. Some I’d even bet past 60 you won’t even see a big enough difference to justify your incessant need to point out reflex.
Pretty mf cool
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Reflex shouldn't be part of the test.
He bias toward mathews. The vibration ran lower than mathews. Cant take him seriously.
The PSE got marked down on ATA because in his opinion he wanted to see that number higher. Gave the Mathews 29.5 a top score on ATA because their specs matched his measurements. 🤷♂️
So you are talking down reflex on this bow but PJ Riley did a video on this bow and it won a 2024 comparison against longer axle to axle bows. There is supposed to be something on the bow that recenters you and/or doesn’t allow you to torque the bow. They were getting good groups at okay distance for a short bow. I’d love you to add in some distance shots to your reviews!!!!
I believe PJ mentions that’s because of the ‘variable brace height’ and how the brace height becomes longer at full draw. NOT that it has anything to do with the reflex. Did I mishear PJ?
You worry way too much about reflex and hand shock.
Bow is 30 inches, measured at 30 inches and you you marked it down because you think it should have been made in a longer. Smh. Tell me you’re a PSE hater without telling me you’re a PSE hater.
You should start measuring STRING ANGLE at FULL DRAW with all new bow reviews!
This bow destroys Mathew's nonsense of "specific modules provide better performance across all draw lenghts". Mathews uses mods because loves selling 180 spare parts to shops, and that's all...
Sure bud what ever makes you feel better about buying your pse.
Have you researched limb angle much? You are harsh on reflex but don’t take into account how much forward facing limb angles counter torque. I completely agree longer risers are more stable, but at the same time if it takes a flat beyond parallel limb to get there you loose every ounce of benefit. Hence the reason most target bows have forward facing limb pockets with risers relatively short compared to over all axle to axle.
Yes, reflex doesn’t matter. When it comes to resisting torque about the axis of the grip, it’s all about brace height, limb design and cam design. The horizontal distance at full draw from where the string contacts the cam to the axis of the grip is the moment arm that is resisting torque. Grip pressure and torque is a variable in even the best archers. We are humans with a heart beat.
Great review even though I would say that some of your scoring seems to defeat the purpose of "measuring" to see if the bows measurements are according to factory stated specs. If you score based off of your opinion of the specs then why even measure for the specs in the first place? Other than that i enjoyed watching the video. Maybe somethings you can add is how stable the bow feels at full draw, like does it feel like it torques easy or does it feel like it just wants to float, etc. Maybe see how easy it groups at 40yds or so incomparison to other bows. These are just some ideas because at the end of the day, the question we all want to know is, why this bow and is it the one for me according to your thoughts and opinions. We want a practical take away which you somewhat already do, but if you can be more clear and intentional with your conclusion in being consistent with all your conclusion that would be most appreciated by im sure most if not everyone watching.
Using a whisker biscuit is not giving you an accurate speed. That rest slows the arrow by 2-4fps. I tested this using 2 different bows.
Considering he had a drop away when testing the mathews and they where still 15+fps slow and still gave them a high score for speed
He did a video on this. It’s 2fps max which is basically insignificant. You can go back and watch the test. It was actually under 2fps
Well what do you know another bow with a longer brace and a published speed that is under the MATHEWS LIFT but coming in faster. The MATHEWS fanboy lightest fastest bow ever made is complete BS
I wish you would keep a list of scores on each bow and we could see the winner
He will at the end of all the reviews on his website i believe he said.
Why ? He's doing everything he can to make the lift come out on top, when it's clearly a terd compared to actual numbers of other bows being tested.
Hearing you moan every time you pull bow back in my ear kinda freaks/grosses me out
Have you checked out PJ Reilly's Outdoor Life review of this bow . Worth a listen
I'm currently shooting a Phase 4 33. I'm looking to go more compact. You going with a Lift and switching over accessories or is the extra price of the Mach 30 worth it? Keep hearing how this bow 'floats' on target. Any comment on that?
What! how can you give them a 4 on brace height if it matched what the specs were? same with riser length ? are you giving points based on what you think or based on how factual what they advertised was? I know this is my personal opinion but i feel if a brace height and ATA match exactly as they advertise it that should be an instant 5 , you cant fault a bow for personal opinions.
With that being said i do HIGHLY respect you and very much enjoy your content, thanks for what you do.
Agreed. It's like folks that go online to review an expensive leading brand product and they say " wow, this was great, it did everything better than the competition" and then they give it a score of 3 out of 5, because the product the elected to buy is perceived as being "expensive". I'm getting a little off topic but I think cost should NOT be factor into aggregate review scores. Offer an opinion of value as a complete separate score that is NOT aggregated with performance scores. Again, not saying Podium is doing that...but I see it too often including by another archery reviewer - who also seems like a great and very well meaning guy doing good work - just don't aggregate cost score with performance score. We aren't monkeys. I think. LOL.
Wow these 2024 Bows are awesome. I appreciate you taking the time to do great demonstrations.
It might get the Hog nod...
Shorter axles stay out of the saw grass in the salt marsh.
Bow hunters do more than just "Out West" / "tree stand" or saddle.
I hunt hogs from the ground on foot. All you do is walk... or wade.
The whole time you wish your bow was lighter and shorter.
Like a kid on X mas with the Podium Archery reviews. Thanks!
Same here, 99% of my hunting is jogging through the woods in the dark and then having to take shots in horrible lighting conditions on targets that never stop moving.
1900 dollars? Why
Overseas carbon manufacturing is sketchy. Hopefully the bow industry learns from the bike industry and actually QCs their tolerances. Glad to heat that PSE is doing that here in the US.
I find it humorous that the Mathews intentionally attempts to address vibration and with their rubber sandwich limbs, and fail to produce the best results in that category. Thanks for the honest reviews.
Ever consider a way to measure riser flex?
I just can’t take this review serious now.
5/5 on speed but wants a longer BH? Well it’s a give and take. Show me a bow that does that speed on a 7” BH. Square grip? It’s carbon fiber, corners are not good on carbon fiber.
Hmm, 0.2lb less and 1fps more than LIFT. Also doesn't go snowpiercer on your fingers in 0F late season sits.
@MFJJ - have you considered doing a ratio of reflex to brace ht? Would that not reflect the net-shootability/torqueness?
I shot this yesterday. It held on target better than any bow I've ever shot. I don't understand how it could be "squirrely".
This is the bow of the year for a reason ladies. Hoyt big mad, so mad they just paid Dud to come back, lmfao
Hey Josh! I trust your opinion and wanted to ask a question about your review. You made some comments about the extreme reflex on this bow for good reason. But the PSE marketing material makes a point of the “Full Draw Stability” system, and says something about the string angle at full draw on this bow being equal to the string angle of longer ATA bows. I’ve also heard your comments on the fireside chats with Tim about how the exit angle of a string from the cam at full draw contributes to positive or negative shooting characteristics. So two questions: first, is this marketing claim true? Does this bow indeed have a string exit angle, or whatever you call it, that is more desirable than you’d expect from a 30” ATA bow with 3” of reflex? And 2. If so, how are they achieving this?
Appreciate your time, thanks! I’m considering this bow really seriously, because surprise surprise, my RX-7 isn’t tuning and I’m tired of the 1990’s , which is where my bow’s tuning system seems to be stuck.🤣
Pj Riley on the Outdoor Life channel called this bow " The Most Remarkable Bow We've Tested " Right behind the Hoyt RX 8 HBX
Pj Riley says that about every bow he shoots. He has never gave anything a negative review. This guy is just giving his opinion, sorry he didn’t say your bow was the most amazing thing he’s ever seen.
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How do you give them a 4 for axle to axle and brace height being exactly what is advertised?
i shot bowtech for years now been shoot hoyt for years-looks to me that bow is the best hunting carbon bow ever made -its light, fast ,low vibe, so very quiet , usa made, hits all the specs and if you get the other fast cam its a 350fps beast
it just needs true yokes cant stand that kind of yoke shit
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You're scaring me Josh, every time you draw a bow back like that.
You're breaking your number one rule. 😂 jk buddeh
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I wouldn’t buy the ugly thing for $1000. Not my taste.
Needs to be a 5 outta 5 for cost being made in USA!
What does the reflex matter or what does it do or not do
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Hey Brother. I'm with you on this one. If the riser was a couple inches longer, it would definitely balance a little easier. Very nice bow, otherwise.
Nice video!
However, why is the 2023 Mach 34 lighter than the 2024 Mach 30?
This bow looks great. I understand the reflex issue and agree but the weight and speed look great.
Ive heard a bunch of people say its very accurate for a 30 ata.. its a nice looking Bow im going to go check this one out..
Been waiting for this one ever since I saw that sneak peek!
The website shows ibo at 338
I dig these reviews. Any plans for xpedition xlite bows?
Looks like a good bow just can’t get over the looks personally
Heard a 32 is coming soon.
So "currently" there is only the 34" and 30" MACH, how do you feel an in between size would fair in comparison to this 30"? I don't think I want to go up to a 34" for myself, and hope something in between comes out.
Thoughts?
(Enjoyed meeting you at the TAC in Colorado last year, "Florida Boys".)
So in 18 years bows have only gained close to 15fps? We were shooting 215-225 in the 90's @70lb and 5gpp. I thought more gains would happen in that amount of time.
@podiumarcher what bow scale was that? My H4S is not that consistent...
If a bow comes to you right on the specs then it should get top scores! You shouldn’t grade bows based on your subjective thoughts, i.e. stability or long range accuracy based on reflex!? That’s hogwash, shoot the bows at 40 or 60 yards and then decide! Bias is evident in your reviews, watch them back yourself and you’ll see. Just give us the honest numbers, most of us watch your videos and can pick up your bias and sometimes subjective off the wall grading criteria!?
Is the PSE Mach 30 Carbon Axle to Axle = 30 ???? what important information, we need more such measurements like this in every video)))
I see everyone’s point complaining of the unfair review compared to the mathews. (i think)
But could it be that those two bows are being judged in two different categories? One is carbon and the other aluminum. I actually was bored and went back and forth to watch both reviews. He seemed to score them both with a little bit of his opinion/perspective.
I don’t think it’s apples to apples since those two bows are in different categories.
if you are "consistency and accuracy driven", test it.
Yes, test accuracy , otherwise it is pointless. Then talk about things that do not matter at all (reflex).
Is there anything majorly different from the 30 to 34? At 6'3" and 30" draw, which would you choose?
If it woulda had a Mathews label it would a been best bow Eva.
Enjoy the reviews but once the grading starts it's comical. I own a Mathews too.
Hey Josh, I'm watching Mike's archery review, and he said reflex of 5.5. What is he measuring to be so different?
He might be measuring the front of the limb pocket instead of the back.
Yeah his style of measurement is wrong, simply doesn't make sense to reference the frontal area of the pocket instead of the rocket area
Just take what MFJJ 😀
@@liamboyle9199It doesn’t make sense to measure any reflex geometry from any point as it pertains to full draw resistance to hand torque about the axis of the grip. Draw the free body diagram and do a static analysis at full draw and you’ll see why riser reflex is a pointless measurement. An easy way to see this is to pull back a newer Mathews and compare it to any high reflex, long limb, non parallel limb bow of the past. I have a V3 that incurs much more angular deflection during hand torque at full draw than my older Martins and it has nothing to do with reflex measurement. It’s all about brace height and the rearward horizontal travel of the tangent point of the string to the cam. Or in the case of a Mathews hunting bow, the forward horizontal travel due to its cam and limb design.
What do you mean by "torquier"? Not sure what the big deal is on reflex, never really heard of that outside this channel.
I like your reviews. However, the BH and ATA were spot on and you still gave 4/5. Come on man!
if i could get this in a 34 inch platform , i would like a tiny bit better , but overall nice bow !!!
Get the Mach 34 from last year still in the line up awesome bow
@@coltonmerriman1296 yes it is a nice bow bro !!!
@MFJJ Would you be willing to do a review on a brand that's not a top dollar bow? Like obsession or bear someone along those lines? 😅
The number on vibration right after shot was 6 twice and 8 and jumped when you moved. I’m not saying that because I love pse I shoot a prime but was just noticing that.
I've been shooting PSE carbons for 6 years. I have a short DL so the vibration has never been an issue. Plus, I shoot a lot of stabilizer.
I don’t understand all the haters of the reviews. He gives you the numbers so you can decide what’s important to you. The scores are just his opinion of what he likes to see in a bow.
I like that I can find an apples to apples comparison of most of the major manufacturers in one place.
Exactly. Thinking this should get a perfect review because of honesty with the specs vs how it feels and shoots is insane.
I think the issue is that he is kind of haphazard and inconsistent in how he scores different bows...sometimes it almost seems like he is trying to put his thumb on the scale...more likely he is just winging it and isn't trying to be an engineer about it and doesn't really care if he isn't totally consistent. Which is fine after you figure that out and it is still good information and entertaining.
What’s the best budget friendly carbon fiber bow that’s pretty light?
Will you be reviewing the Nockon 30? Just curious with the different cams that come with it.
Alexa turned on the bedroom light and woke me up at 5:20 AM. I checked and saw that this video was posted two hours ago. I wonder if Alexa knew this video was there and wanted me to see it. He's reviewing at a marathon pace. Wow!
What release is that, I would like one with an option to set travel the click I’m hearing before the shot goes off seems ideal