Handbooker Helper: Death Saving Throws
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- It's not a bad idea to know how to roll when life and death are on the line. In this episode of Handbooker Helper, Critical Recap & Talks Machina's Dani Carr teaches us the ins and outs of Death Saving Throws in 5th Edition D&D.
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0:36 Or like if you're a druid and you take 363 points of damage jumping from a cliff
with beforehand saying "we're basically gods"
And having the massive HP barbarian explain the laws of Physics to you. (a goldfish, chortle)
Blaspheme not against the great goldfish falling from the sky! :)
Aim for the bushes
Here is the animated version, for some laughs ruclips.net/video/prJcs6WcnDo/видео.html
“But it’s deeply personal and meaningful..”
“Now it’s a prop” what a mood
This episode in a nutshell. “Sorry”
Apology accepted.
..I was expecting Talisen to talk about this.
Too soon
Exactly why I thought he'd be thrilled to do it.
I think the early episodes were filmed before that. since Laura was still pregnant last episode
Cblack04 _ They used a graphic of Molly when they talked about dead characters so I think they knew
He didn't get saving throws.
I think it should've been clarified that taking damage while unconscious makes you fail a death saving roll.
Or two if it's a crit - and if you're unconscious, then any hit against you by an attacker within 5 feet is automatically a critical hit.
That jab about molly was cruel
But funny😂
I thought molly was stabbed... (too soon?)
thewanderer41
nO
yeah molly's death didn't actually have anything to do with death saving throws so idk
Duck Molly
Never underestimate *Spare the Dying*, especially at low levels. A Grave Domain cleric is always a big bonus since they can cast it as a bonus action and at range.
enter healing word..... does all of that
warfilgames Yep, that's a must-have in the toolbox for sure plus it actually heals HP unlike StD which only stabilizes. However, at low levels when spell slots are hard to come by and resources limited, a clutch "Spare the Dying" cantrip can be the difference between continuing to adventure and re-rolling a new character.
Oh the joy of a new charachter!
warfilgames :D
A Healer's Kit is 5gp for 10 uses of stabilisation, basically replacing the need for Spare the Dying once you have sufficient gold. Even at level 1, your background usually gives starting gold, so at least one person in the party should buy a healer's Kit or two so that they can stabilise others.
I kinda hoped they would clarify an often overlooked part of death saving throws. According to PHB, you roll at the START of your turn, so if you roll that sweet natural 20, you can still take your turn! Spend your action to chug that emergency healing potion in your pocket, and see if you can move away.
Additional note: you’ll most likely have just half your speed, as you have to get up from a more then likely state of prone, so let’s hope you didn’t skip leg day!
Exactly, except you start prone.
they did say that you roll at the start of your turn, but I understand the desire for that extra clarification. Often times people are so excited they rolled a nat 20 on a death save, they just forget to take an action... and from a roleplay perspective, it might make sense to have come out of unconsciousness and not realise you CAN do something still in the next few seconds...
Great observation, I didn't notice that, thanks
This came up in our game just last night, when the firbolg shaman-y cleric had tomb spider broodswarm all over his face.
i guess raise dead isnt good enough to be included
Why would you Raise Dead when you can Animate Dead instead?
* evil laughter *
Also Wish.
Raise dead I think makes undead.
Jorden Taylor common misconception. the above mentioned Animate Dead is the one that makes an undead creature. Raise Dead is a 2nd "bring a character back from the dead" spell in the game after Revivify. Also, only Clerics (and maybe Paladins?) can cast it.
Even better, Raise Dead is available to bards, clerics and paladins whilst Reincarnate is *only* available for druids. It really seems like Raise Dead is the more common 5th level un-deathing, so I was also very confused
Marisha should get the entire handbook tattooed on her. I know it’d be a huge investment, but I’m sure you could save money on graphics in the long run 👍🏼
I think that is the premise of "Blindspot"....
Stephen Pike We don't talk about that show. (Just kidding we're all supportive fans (Just kidding cancel Blindspot (Just kidding it's all love here)))
Class: Paladin
- Aura of Protection
"Starting at 6th level, whenever you or a friendly creature within 10 feet of you must make a saving throw, the creature gains a bonus to the saving throw equal to your Charisma modifier (with a minimum bonus of +1)."
This bonus is not restricted to ability score saving throws and affects every type of saving throw (including death saving throws).
oh interesting i didnt knew it helped with death saves too :D
i actually learned something here xD
Just started playing, using the D&D beyond player app it doesn't seem to update any new spells when leveling up?
BUt they didn't explain the most important and confusing thing for new players which is taking hits when you are unconcious...they didn't explain either that taking any healing brings you back up...it feels quite incomplete even though the title is about death saving throws they talked about "death" in general
It's not that confusing. I don't even play D&D and I know that melee attacks are critical hits and you autofail 2 death saves. Ranged attacks are only 1 failed death save.
Yeah; a character automatically stabilizes automatically if someone heals them for even one point of damage. I was surprised they didn't mention this.
Domaik If that’s the case, isn’t that something better handled by the DM at the table?
The whole point of this series was to give some basic tips so you can begin playing without feeling overwhelmed.
The more complicated stuff and further questions of “Wait, what happens now?” will come organically as you play. :)
Viktor Stagnetti That's pretty specific 5e knowledge though for not playing D&D. And people who definitely have never played or seen it before won't know that.
Zachary Gallagher The point of this video series is to be viewed in conjunction with the Player's Handbook. As Marisha explained on Twitter. It's not a comprehensive guide for newbies or a replacement for the actual source material. It's quite literally a 'Handbooker Helper'.
Besides the chances are pretty slim that people who don't watch CR or play D&D will watch these. And anyone who does watch CR should have picked up on quite a bit of the rules and procedures by now.
At 0:44 when you're describing instant death, why would the ranger die at 36 damage and 18 HP, but not 30 damage and 18 HP? Doesn't the damage still exceed their HP?
I wish you covered how death saves work when enemies attack you while unconscious, aka the only confusing part about death saves
if you are unconscious you have that 'Condition' which means you
- cannot move or speak
- become 'Incapacitated' so you cannot take any actions or reactions
- drop prone and anything you have held (actually protects you somewhat from ranged attacks as they are at disadvantage at any range further then 5 ft so only a normal roll)
- attacks against you are at advantage (cancels out if ranged)
- auto crit if ANY attack hits from an attacker within 5 ft of you (so a successful arrow shot will still auto crit if they manage to hit from next to you)
critical hits count as 2 failed saves, regular hits count as 1 failed save so if say an enemy orc knocks you out with an axe, rendered you unconscious and you failed the save on your turn you would have only 2 death saves remaining, if he attacks you and succeeds the swing, it will auto crit and you will lose 2 more saves and die.
best way i can quickly thinnk of to simplify it is it after seeing if you have suffered instant death based on hp numbers, they don't matter any more. you are now using a secondary 'health bar' of saves and fails. all damage totals don't matter and are instead reduced to what type of damage it was, whether it was a hit, or a critical hit.
Wildtrexkid yeah I know how it all works. I’m more concerned about the new players/DMs that are watching this video for information!
That end graphic though ;~;
you forgot to mention the cleric spell "spare the dying" if successful you stabilize your party member.
You forgot Spare the Dying. Cantrip that stabilizes anyone with a touch
When you ask the DM how much damage you take and he just hands you a blank character sheet
I love the subtle Molly graphic there at the end. I love these vids and have shipped the link to them to at least three DM's that I know personally to help them explain to their non player family just what goes on.
2:52
ok, I was totally not expecting for that.
THANK YOU.
Be careful if you haven't seen campaign 2 episode 26 because there is half of a major spoiler
why did you have to be so specific.
The comments ruined it for me. I am so fuckign sad
Feels like instead of explaining the spells to come back. A section on what happens when your down and take damage was needed , how if you don't die outright you go to 0 with most effects ending, and a section on any magic heals not only auto gets you up but you get the full effects of the magical healing. Coming into 5e for the 1st time a lot of people get those three confused as it's very different from 3.5.
gotta say those "Sorry" were pretty adorable xD
The little "Ding" in the jingle has me dying every time X'D
I want her dress omg she looks amazing in it!
Start video: Dani is killin it!
Drag Marisha in, "Now you're a prop!" fuckin LOL!
5th level spell, Raise Dead also does the job and is far cheaper then above spells !
You forgot "Raise Dead", the other 5th level spell that can bring back the dead. After all, Reincarnate is Druid only(though IMO it should also be added for Nature Clerics and Oath of the Ancients Paladins)
I would like “And now it’s a prop” to become a recurring thing
Props to the ppl who came up with idea to show those Spells and their casting level. Very smart and neat.
Raise dead is also 5th level and works the same as Reincarnate exept it has the tradeoff of costing 500gp less in exchange for needing the original body.
To recap:
Reincarnate: costs diamonds worth 1000gp, can only bring back those killed within 10 days, you only need a part of a body and the spell creates a new body.
Raise Dead: costs diamonds worth 500gp, still can only bring back those killed within the past 10 days, but you need the original body (with vital organs attached! You can't bring someone back who is missing a head lol!)
Both can be used as 5th level spells, but the situations surrounding the PC's death (and your party's current funds) might play into which spell you ultimately use
Also Raise Dead won't turn you into a different race (probably hurting your abilities and traits, and rendering any racial feats you took unavailable)... but sometimes beggars can't be choosers :P
Sometimes you die a lot
I know death saves backwards and forwards but listen I was so so excited to see Dani (unexpectedly) that I just.... I mean come on I had to watch this she's a blessing
Same
RIP Mollymauk
Long may he rein.
They theoretically COULD still ressurect him later in the campaign... maybe as an NPC... or Cadeucus will need to go back to his temple.
caduceus turned him into mush so i think they could only use true res for him now, at which point he definitely wouldn't be able to be a pc anymore cause he'd still be lvl 5 and the party would have to be at least lvl 17 lol
@@shadycactus6146 Caduceus did not turn him into mush. He used a spell called Gentle Repose which only purpose is to extend the shelf life of Raise Dead, which he will get at Level 9. With that action, Taliesin was telling the audience he fully intends to resurrect Mollymauk as soon as Clay is 9th level. It's the precise reason he made a grave cleric.
i will double check in a second, but i am like 95% sure he cast decompose, not gentle repose. he said something like "i made the earth remember him, there'll be something here" - pretty sure he was intending to make molly tea lol. plus raise dead only works w/in 10 days so even with gentle repose it would be too long unless cad were to come back every 10 days and re-cast it, which he definitely hasn't
Character death done right is one of my favorite aspects to dnd 5e.
Prone: On your stomach.
Supine: On your back.
....that is all.
Should also mention that anytime you take damage while unconscious you fail a death saving throw. That plus a lot of attacks being automatic critical hits on prone targets is a nasty combination.
They should have Dani be a guest one day. She does a lot of stuff for the show, it seems.
Love Dani, but with Joe Manganiello starting his own clothing line 'Death Saves' and having been on Critical Role, I think there was a missed opportunity.
I know you guys filmed a bunch of these all at once so any feedback we give can't actually be implemented until the next set of episodes are filmed, but I'm going to state again the same thing I've said in another video. This show has a TON of promise and isn't a bad show by any definition, but you're falling into a really common trap that most new trainers fall into: You're forgetting the people you're training/teaching could possibly have 0 knowledge of the medium and you're forgetting to mention things that even casual players learn pretty quickly, but brand new players would be completely unaware of.
For example, as has been pointed out, your explanation of insta-death due to damage was poorly worded to make it sound like if a single hit takes you to your negative current HP, you die. That would mean a cleric with 1 HP could be insta-killed by an attack that does 2 HP of damage. The actual rule is a single attack that takes you to your negative Maximum HP, which is significantly harder to happen. Another example is you didn't explain what happens when you drop unconscious again in the same battle or in another battle before you get a short rest. This is extremely common for low level parties, so mentioning that getting healed or stabilizing resets your death saves would make sense, or even just saying every time you start rolling death saves again after not having to roll them is a brand new set of 3 saves vs 3 losses. Another thing you missed is death saves happen at the beginning of your turn, not the end, so in the case that you roll a nat 20, not only do you get 1 HP and are conscious, but you get to take your turn that round, something a lot of players (And DMs) are not aware of but makes a HUGE difference in the game.
As someone who's designed numerous training plans for everything from teaching a new DM to teaching the entire staff of a multi-million dollar store a brand new service, I can speak from experience when I say your own knowledge of the subject can hurt your potential trainees. It's extremely hard to do, but in a situation like this where your target audience is brand new players, you have to get into the mindset of someone who knows absolutely nothing about the subject. My training tip for that is "Begin at the Beginning" and it means just that. Start at the extreme beginning. If I'm training someone on how to use a computer, I don't start with how to use the mouse and keyboard. I start with how to turn on the computer. Again, most people do that without thinking because they are familiar with computers, but for someone with literally zero knowledge of computers (and they do exist, trust me on this....) you really do have to tell them where the power button is, how to make sure it's plugged in, that the master power switch on the power supply is in the "on" position. Without that very basic information, the rest of the info you're giving is a complete waste of time.
Again, I really like the idea behind this and think, with your reach, your knowledge of the game, and the tools you have that most youtubers don't have, you guys can make a HUGE impact on the D&D community (and Tabletop RPG community as a whole), but you've got to step out of your own heads and approach every subject from a completely new players perspective. That's a lot easier said than done, but until you do you're going to confuse people more than educate, and that can turn people off more quickly than anything else.
Bump pls cause this is the definition of constructive criticism
why thank you!
Well made comment. I hope it gets read by the producers.
Thanks
Sorry, I'm unaware of any side effects for dropping unconscious several times before a short rest mentioned anywhere in the rules, are you sure it's not a home rule?
This was pretty short so it would make sense for it to be a bit more comprehensive. The rules for taking damage whilst unconscious (and what constitutes 1 or 2 deaths saves in those situations) would've been an easy addition. That said, still great content and covers the basics pretty well.
I do think if I showed someone this who didn't know the game that well they would still ask "what happens to that extra damage below 0 though". Yes that was explained in the thing but for someone who doesn't know how any of it works, it could still come up as a point of confusion.
Incidentally that information could've easily been rolled into an explanation on taking damage after you go unconscious, now that I think about it. Ahh well.
Congratulations Marisha! You really played you part beautifully.
Fairly big miss on "Raise Dead" by far the most traditional and often cast of all the bring you back to life spells. :) Odd you would have reincarnate which I would have included as an extra as it does not bring you back to life but puts your soul in a different body.
I'm surprised that you guys forgot the spell "Raise Dead". It's arguably going to be your go-to resurrection spell.
"Sorry"
You may want to re-release this with a clarification. You do NOT die instantly if you take damage equal to twice your current HP like was suggested in this video, you die if the damage exceeding 0 is equal to or higher than your MAX HP. The example in the PHB is a cleric with 12 max hp and currently at half health dies instantly at 18 damage but is unconscious at 17 damage.
The example given in the video was clear. If you're at max hp and take double your max, you're instantly dead. She explained that if the leftover damage is equal to or greater than your max, you die, then used an example where you had max and got hit for double your max.
Yeah, the way she said it coming back to consciousness with 1 hp would be unbelievably dangerous. I'll just stay knocked out, thanks.
It took me a while to understand this rule until my friend explaned it to me as follows: You die instantly if the damage takes you to your Negative MAX HP or lower.
jones81381 it was not. Nowhere did she say max hp. She said total hp which could be construed as current total. The example is clear to us, as seasoned players, but remember that this series is primarily for new players or people who don't play but watch CR and want to have some idea of what's going on, so it's best to be as clear as possible.
Even with the wording they used though, having the example character already have health missing would make the example a million times more clear.
Forgot to mention that if anyone heals you for any amount of health once you are unconscious, if you stabilize at all, or if someone uses a healer’s kit to do so all of your death saving throw successes and failures reset.
I love that Dani talked about this topic. It made it light and hopeful and nothing to be sad about. And of course, Marisha's cameo was 100% needed, you get a tattoo of something we're gonna exploit it as much as we can ;P
I wonder what it signifys?
Athina Agelopoulos Goldfish.
Mentioning Molly's death will never not be too soon. :P
Should’ve gotten Joe Manginello to do this one.
So theoretically... Molly could still come back!
Considering Talesin's moved on to another character, that seems unlikely unless Molly's back as an NPC and has amnesia again.
This has to be said because I can tell in the comments that people did not get the memo:
CR adressed on Twitter that this is NOT and never will be a replacement for the PHB by any means. It is something that people can use for help/clarification after the PHB has been both purchased and read. People are unfortunately coming in here with the wrong expectations, especially if they don't underatand the pun.
"Hamburger Helper" is a food brand that creates a means for people to cook hamburger meat when they are short on experience and time, but it does not replace the hamburger, just the same way that Handbooker Helper does not replace the Player's Handbook.
I get that you are all excited to help and give feedback, but you need to know what the show is intended to do before giving critiques. The key to a valid critique is making sure that you keep the critiques relevant to what the artist/content creator intended to create.
Just the as we can't critique a horror movie for not being a romcom, we can't critique Handbooker Helper for not being a perfect PHB summary so people don't have to read it.
There are plenty of other content creators that do just that.
I just finished a 5 hours session where our party of three (at level 2) versed 15 goblins, 4 hob goblins, and 1 wizard. The half-elven druid and I (half-orc fighter) had the same initiative and when there was 1 Hobgoblin, 3 goblins and the wizard remaining we were surrounded and our rouge was no where to be seen. The druid went down first and had 1 success one failed death saving throw, and then I failed a throw. Our rouge then went into the thick of it and was dropped to 2 hit points, after being on full health the whole fight (he is very squishy). The druid and I decided to take our next saving throws together so at the same time we rolled... AND WE BOTH GOT NATURAL ONES!!!!!
What kind of game are you playing? The 4 hobgolins alone vs 3 lvl 2 players is a deadly encounter according to kobold fight club. 15 goblins and a wizard aswell? How the hell did your DM play that out without you realising he was holding your hand the entire way?
"You see 15 goblins coming at you but they are all tied together with a huge rubberband making it impossible for 14 goblins to attack. In the middle of the pile you notice a wizard hat and you see that the wizard is actually driving the goblins. The wizard is packed so tightly that he can't use his arms to cast spells. Oh yeah and on the ground is four hobgoblins that looks dead but they each have a sword on their bodies so they count aswell"
EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CLERIC, BUY A GODDAMN HEALER'S KIT!
You only die if the extra damage is more than your Max Hp, not current hp.
How was Raise Dead not mentioned? I feel like that's the most used resurrection spell.
I think she was implying the max HP of the ranger was 18, not just current.
@@Arkatox Yes that's probably what she was implying, but that needs to be made clear.
I've not heard of raise dead
Hmmm
Joe Pelletier It seemed pretty implicit to me, but *shrugs*
I love this series and love the eyes of Dani.
I wonder if Caleb is ever thinking about trying to resurrect Molly…
There is a 5th level raise dead that works within 10 days of death
That shot at the end made me chuckle, in spite of myself.
Dani is great as always in this, and Marisha's tattoo as a prop is hilarious!
I may have missed it, but did you cover whether there are ways (any ways) to gain advantage on death saving throws? I know there are not, but I have clever players to deal with. Thanks!
Giving us some of the spell names to resurrect was a nice touch.
you're so good at this dani!! love it
Does something happen to Molly? Only on episode 12.... Ah damn it. That's what I get for reading comments. At least I'll get to discover *how* it happens.
Ahhhhhhh, the Molly feels!!!
That joke was a stab at Molly at the very end.... Reroll, with blood
Oh my god thank you. This was so helpful 😅
This has probably been asked and answered somewhere before, but I wonder what kind of character Dani would play?
Dani! Hi! Also ouch my heart at that Molly graphic
The molly joke hits different now
Dani's episode is by far the most interesting
Dani is the cutest!!! This was the most fun one so far!
And I can't believe I said that about an episode regarding death!
these are very helpful
one of my main questions is how does the dynamics of swapping weapons during combat work?
from a bow to a sword --- or sword to bow etc
Debbie Buckland don't know if you're still wondering, but it's fairly simple albeit cumbersome to do so.
Each turn you can do one free interaction without using action/movement/bonus action etc. An example of an "interaction" is drawing or sheathing a weapon, but both both. If you want to do a second interaction, you must use your action to do the Use an Object action. So if you wanted to swap weapons, it would take your interaction and action.
This is fairly annoying, so it's better to predict a swap early; at the end of one turn, sheathe your weapon as an interaction. On your next turn, use your interaction to draw the new weapon. This way you still have your action to attack with the new weapon. It's just not quite as dynamic without the scene telling your character they'll need to change weapons soon.
However, you can circumvent this somewhat by dropping your current weapon; dropping a weapon doesn't cost anything, not even an interaction, so you can still use your interaction to draw your new weapon. At the end of your next turn, you'll want to use your interaction to pickup your new weapon, and then the turn after sheathe it. In this way you still have your full actions to do stuff, but it takes longer to perform the whole interaction.
Ha! Good pick for this week, I've been wondering about these throws for a while now. And now I get Marisha's tattoo!
When you play the game of Dungeons and Dragons sometimes you die but if you are mystic, you just DONT FUCKING DIE
Watching this makes me want some Hamburger Helper. Is that odd?
I thought it was intentional.
Yes. How did you even connect the two?
Omar Guillen I have no idea. But when I hear Sam singing his tune, I feel like having some noodles and ground beef. @_@
Great episode, however, can the audio engineer try and fix sibilance issues in future episodes? my ears would appreciate that :D
Marisha
The creative director of the channel
Prop for Dani's whims
Awe, Dani did such a great job! It's not easy being in front of the camera.
How did we miss Raise Dead?
What happened to Sam's "ding" at the end of the song?
That melody gets me every time. Please create a Scanlan soundtrack so I can sprinkle his diddies in throughout my day.
This topic being covered so soon is how you know this series isn't just to spread excitement about playing D&D (dying is not the first reason people join the hobby). It's how you know it's also for people who just watch the show and want to understand the mechanical aspects of Critical Role. Death comes up often enough for mechanic to be important to cove quickly xD
0:42 how unfortunate could that be, it's the ranger
You missed Raise Dead 5th level spell but this is a good video going to share with my players :D
I wish Sam published an album with just happy songs. His voice is so nice.
Oh man, this one made me laugh out loud.
*SADNESS, LONG MAY HE REIGN, KING MOLLYMAUK*
Don't forget the 5th level spell "Raise Dead"
It would be helpfull to also explain what happens whan you take a hit after you drop to 0 hit points
Forgot to mention that creatures can make a attack at you while unconcious at advantage and critical hit you making you fail 2 safes.
For my homebrew:
You only fail 1 safe and the dex/shield bonus doesnt count to your AC when unconscious
I also use it rarely.
I need that "Eups" sound at 1:56 as a notification sound thanks.
Great episode, I like Dani's energy, but one thing: maybe I wasn't listening well enough, but I think they forgot to mention that if you get hit whike you're unconscious you automatically fail 2 saves
BUY A GODDAMN HEALER'S KIT AND TAKE THE HEALER FEAT
I totally expected a disclaimer after those spells *actual results may vary
RIP Molly in the background
thanks very helpfull and well resumed
Amazing as always Dani! You should do hit dice next
The double "Sorry" was the best part. Was failing additional saves due to damage or stablizing resetting death saves to tangential to mention?
Dani needs to play. She's a gem.