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The Martian ice warriors are another classic Doctor Who monster, first appearing alongside the second Doctor in 1967. Always love seeing them bringing old favorites into the modern day.
And one great thing about them is they are not all the same; some are good, and honorable, some are more bloodthirsty and villainous, so one never knows who you will be dealing with when they show up
David Warner, who plays Professor Grisenko, is in freaking EVERYTHING: Tron, Titanic, The Omen, Star Treks V and VI, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2... In the Who audio spinoffs, he plays an alternate version of the Doctor, and appears alongside Christopher Eccleston's Doctor.
Ultravox were a British new wave band, formed in London in April 1974 as Tiger Lily. Between 1980 and 1986, they scored seven Top Ten albums and seventeen Top 40 singles in the UK, the most successful of which was their 1981 hit "Vienna". Midge Ure is a Scottish singer-songwriter and record producer, the second frontman of Ultravox. In 1984, he co-wrote and produced the charity single "Do They Know It's Christmas?", which has sold 3.7 million copies in the UK. The song is the second-highest-selling single in UK chart history, co-organised Band Aid, Live Aid and Live 8 with Bob Geldof.
David Warner(the professor) played The Doctor in an audio drama written by Mark Gatiss and featuring a young unknown called David Tennant. Liam Cunningham auditioned to play The Doctor in the US tv movie.
David Warner is incredible in everything. He had 251 acting credits on IMDb before he passed away in 2022. He actually played a time traveler in a fabulous movie called Time After Time (1979). He was also in the adaptation of Sir Terry Pratchett's Hogfather, which you should totally watch for Christmas! Thanks to both of you for your always thoughtful reactions.
If you are watching David Warner for Christmas, don't forget his turn as Bob Cratchit in the 1984 George C. Scott version. (Unfortunately, he never later did the lead, which I think he would have done fantastically.)
Great reaction guys as usual. Regarding "The bends" that affects divers ascending too rapidly- since the sailors in the boat are in a pressurised vessel they don't suffer the rapid pressure change that causes the problem.
Oh wow I've never been this early for a reaction video! I have a soft spot for this episode because I love the Ice Warriors. They originally showed up with the second Doctor back in the 60s. I know some fans don't like this episode and think it messed with the ice warriors too much, I thought it was a great way to update them for modern audiences! There was also a novel released earlier with Eleven, Amy and Rory where they meet the ice warriors. Also a random fun fact about the episode: they used miniatures for the underwater submarine shots. Hooray for practical effects!
The actor playing Captain Zhukov in this episode was Liam Cunningham. Though they may look alike, the actor who played the captain in 1996 titanic was Bernard Hill, who would later become very well known, not that he he wasn't already, as Theoden, King of the Rohan, in the second and third movies of the Lord of the Rings trilogy. As for all the stuff in his pockets, remember Ten told Donna his pockets were like the TARDIS; bigger on the inside. The only problem I ever had with this episode, once I realized who was playing Professor Grisenko, was not seeing him dancing to Vanilla Ice as he did at the end of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle II: The Secret of the Ooze. :D
Tobias Menzies also played (and won an Emmy for) Prince Philip in _The Crown_ to Olivia Colman's Queen Elizabeth. As you probably recall, Colman was in Matt Smith's first full episode of _Doctor Who,_ "The Eleventh Hour." Smith also played Prince Philip on _The Crown._ I could go on with this, dragging in the _Hot Fuzz_ Colman *and* _Doctor Who_ connections, but I'll stop now. Edit: Okay, but Josh O'Connor who played Prince Charles (and also won an Emmy for that) on _The Crown_ is also in this episode, as pointed out in another comment. It's kind of funny how many pre-Crown actors are in this episode, not to mention the GOT connections. David Warner played the guy who worked for Billy Zane's character in _Titanic._
The TARDIS Hostile Action Displacement System is only used once before on the show, in the 1968 story The Krotons. He explains there that he usually forgets to set it, so I guess he continued to forget for the next 50 years.
The opening moments of this story with The TARDIS arriving just in time at a base (of sorts) on the brink of imminent danger is a homage to the first few minutes of the first appearance of these aliens in "The Ice Warriors' from 1967..Here just like in the earlier story The Doctor frantically explains to the skeptical crew what the exact problem is and how to fix it.
I have so much fondness for that episode because it is the first one I've ever watched. I took the train running and when I did, that was the last wagon. :)
Doctor WHO is ALL genres, and that's why it will always be the best show ever. The Ice Warriors of Mars were a Classic WHO species. I don't say villain, because they weren't always, sometimes they were allies. They have nuance and individuality like humans. They were in I think 3 stories overall in the 70s and there was a planed 4th in the 80s that didn't happen. Love the Martians. One of the books goes back in time to their history and they had a Gifting Economy. They gained honor by giving to others. It was really fascinating, also the kind of thing you can't really show on screen when limited to an hour adventure. Also in expanded media they go into why they left Mars and our solar system behind for colder pastures. Looking forward to your next episode, it is one of my 11th Doc favorites!
@@Kasterborous1963 I totally blanked on Seeds of Death, I don't know why. Could be I'm getting old. And you're right about the dates too... I don't know why, but in my addled brain I always think of only 1st Doc being 60s, but that's obviously wrong.
This episode was not a “sub” trope episode. The sub was just a place to have a bottle episode so you could focus on the Martian. To think otherwise is to miss the point.
I thought it was quite refreshing that the episode didn’t have all the usual submarine tropes that you see in the movies. I think that would have been too much, having to cram all that into a 45 minute episode, and had they done that it would have taken the spotlight off of the Ice Warrior being there, roaming about, killing members of the crew. This was the 5th time the Doctor had met the Ice Warriors (though the 1st time in NuWho). Of course the words “Ice Warrior” is a generic term, used in all the stories they feature in, when their correct name should be “Martian,” being that they are originally from Mars. The first time we meet them is in the 5th season of the 2nd Doctor’s era. Called “The Ice Warriors,” the story takes place on a futuristic Earth in the grip of a new ice age. The Doctor and his companions find themselves in a scientific base where scientists are using an ioniser device to combat the advance of glaciers around the world. Outside, a section of these scientists are searching for archaeological finds when they discover what looks like a man wearing warrior armour, inside a block of ice. One of the scientists turns to another and says, “Proper Ice Warrior, Sir.” The scientists cut out a block of ice containing the warrior and take it back to the base where it begins to thaw. Once free and now revived, the Ice Warrior, called Varga, goes back to where he was found and begins thawing out the rest of his warrior crew, with one aim in his mind: as Mars is a dead world then the conquest of Earth must take place so it can become their new home. This story has it roots in the 1951 classic horror, “The Thing from Another World,” where scientists at a base find a buried spaceship and nearby, embedded in a block of ice, a “thing” from another world. They take it back to base, it thaws out and… well, you know the rest. “The Ice Warriors” is a great Doctor Who story in a season which also features stories with the Cybermen (twice), the Great Intelligence (twice) and intelligent alien seaweed (I kid you not!)
We get spoilt with Who, we expect so much more than we do from other programs. This was not about submarines . it was about who is our enemy and context. who we respect and what is bushtit. Also it was an important in Clara's arch. adventure verses reality, game verses consequence. the sub was just a way to contain the story. if we played in to old sub tropes we would have missed the Who story, and one of the ways Clara as a companion is different to others. She needs normal reality to balance the crazy.
I hate how americans have been conditioned to care more about "through lines" and "season arcs". for half a decade, doctor who was about telling self contained stories in episodes. to appease you americans they started focusing more on "season arcs". It is nothing but cancer for the doctor who franchise. Ncuti Gatwa's first season had great self-contained stories, but their awful "god of death" arc left a sour taste on the entire season. They have to keep increasing the stakes to have grander and grander finales. I get talking about the through-line when that's what the episode is about. But being given a self-contained story and whining about not having a season-arc just makes me disappointed in the future of media. Marvel has turned everyone's brains into mush. Season arcs that build up to a season finale were the worst thing to happen to doctor who.
@@JudgeJosephDredd1989 And its not their first time doing it either, every time they're given a self contained story, they talk about not having a through line. Its genuinely what their brains have come to expect from doctor who now: not self contained stories, but season arcs. Give them a self contained story, their brains will go: "wait where's the through line?". they're out here literally counting down how many episodes are left in the season. and unfortunately that's the mentality that doctor who/disney/bbc has been appeasing more and more lately. thus, we get sutekh and the empire of death.
Disagree. We need a through-line with story arcs each season featuring big baddy every finale. Forget the stakes, journey and experience. This is how we fans evolve, whether you like it or not.
I love a good standalone episode, despite being a despised American. ;) Every episode shouldn't be about the arc. That's what's led to shorter and shorter seasons/series and less time to focus on characters (which isn't filler, hate that term).
Very much disagree. Old versions only didnt come out because of budgetary and tech reasons. There's no reason to hold to that when you have the option to exapand.
@@JudgeJosephDredd1989 But not everything needs to be hidden either. Hiding something just for the sake of it isn't fulfilling. What Ice Warriors look like under their suits is not an interesting mystery, so there's no reason that a story can't explore the hunt of a submarine crew by an Ice Warrior unsuited to better get around. Narratively, it's more interested to see what we got than it is to uphold a mystery that has no significance.
Rekkai's Deep Dive for this episode available soon!
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Make sure you join the Discord - discord.gg/ZKHV8dKcjQ
The Martian ice warriors are another classic Doctor Who monster, first appearing alongside the second Doctor in 1967. Always love seeing them bringing old favorites into the modern day.
And one great thing about them is they are not all the same; some are good, and honorable, some are more bloodthirsty and villainous, so one never knows who you will be dealing with when they show up
David Warner, who plays Professor Grisenko, is in freaking EVERYTHING: Tron, Titanic, The Omen, Star Treks V and VI, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2... In the Who audio spinoffs, he plays an alternate version of the Doctor, and appears alongside Christopher Eccleston's Doctor.
Ultravox were a British new wave band, formed in London in April 1974 as Tiger Lily. Between 1980 and 1986, they scored seven Top Ten albums and seventeen Top 40 singles in the UK, the most successful of which was their 1981 hit "Vienna". Midge Ure is a Scottish singer-songwriter and record producer, the second frontman of Ultravox. In 1984, he co-wrote and produced the charity single "Do They Know It's Christmas?", which has sold 3.7 million copies in the UK. The song is the second-highest-selling single in UK chart history, co-organised Band Aid, Live Aid and Live 8 with Bob Geldof.
There was a Canadian in the band too
Tardis: “Everything alright? What’d I miss?” 😂
David Warner(the professor) played The Doctor in an audio drama written by Mark Gatiss and featuring a young unknown called David Tennant. Liam Cunningham auditioned to play The Doctor in the US tv movie.
David Warner is incredible in everything. He had 251 acting credits on IMDb before he passed away in 2022. He actually played a time traveler in a fabulous movie called Time After Time (1979). He was also in the adaptation of Sir Terry Pratchett's Hogfather, which you should totally watch for Christmas! Thanks to both of you for your always thoughtful reactions.
Time After Time is a good movie!
If you are watching David Warner for Christmas, don't forget his turn as Bob Cratchit in the 1984 George C. Scott version. (Unfortunately, he never later did the lead, which I think he would have done fantastically.)
Great reaction guys as usual. Regarding "The bends" that affects divers ascending too rapidly- since the sailors in the boat are in a pressurised vessel they don't suffer the rapid pressure change that causes the problem.
Oh wow I've never been this early for a reaction video!
I have a soft spot for this episode because I love the Ice Warriors. They originally showed up with the second Doctor back in the 60s. I know some fans don't like this episode and think it messed with the ice warriors too much, I thought it was a great way to update them for modern audiences! There was also a novel released earlier with Eleven, Amy and Rory where they meet the ice warriors.
Also a random fun fact about the episode: they used miniatures for the underwater submarine shots. Hooray for practical effects!
It's funny between the ice and the water on Mars.
The actor playing Captain Zhukov in this episode was Liam Cunningham. Though they may look alike, the actor who played the captain in 1996 titanic was Bernard Hill, who would later become very well known, not that he he wasn't already, as Theoden, King of the Rohan, in the second and third movies of the Lord of the Rings trilogy. As for all the stuff in his pockets, remember Ten told Donna his pockets were like the TARDIS; bigger on the inside. The only problem I ever had with this episode, once I realized who was playing Professor Grisenko, was not seeing him dancing to Vanilla Ice as he did at the end of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle II: The Secret of the Ooze. :D
Tobias Menzies also played (and won an Emmy for) Prince Philip in _The Crown_ to Olivia Colman's Queen Elizabeth. As you probably recall, Colman was in Matt Smith's first full episode of _Doctor Who,_ "The Eleventh Hour." Smith also played Prince Philip on _The Crown._ I could go on with this, dragging in the _Hot Fuzz_ Colman *and* _Doctor Who_ connections, but I'll stop now. Edit: Okay, but Josh O'Connor who played Prince Charles (and also won an Emmy for that) on _The Crown_ is also in this episode, as pointed out in another comment. It's kind of funny how many pre-Crown actors are in this episode, not to mention the GOT connections.
David Warner played the guy who worked for Billy Zane's character in _Titanic._
The TARDIS Hostile Action Displacement System is only used once before on the show, in the 1968 story The Krotons. He explains there that he usually forgets to set it, so I guess he continued to forget for the next 50 years.
The Ice Warriors first appeared in 1967. Before this (not counting licensed spinoffs), they were last seen in The Monster of Peladon in 1974.
Josh O'Connor and James Norton are in this too and both are pretty big stars now
The opening moments of this story with The TARDIS arriving just in time at a base (of sorts) on the brink of imminent danger is a homage to the first few minutes of the first appearance of these aliens in "The Ice Warriors' from 1967..Here just like in the earlier story The Doctor frantically explains to the skeptical crew what the exact problem is and how to fix it.
Ultravox was a Scottish Canadian band from the 70’s and 80’s
8:28 Great actor. He was in the time travel series Outlander.
Yes, this is a very stary episode. Josh O'Connor, David Warder (The Omen) and so on.
The Ice Warriors first appeared in 1967 during the Second Doctor (Patrick Troughton's) era.
Are you going to do an Adventure In Space and Time soon ?
It's only fitting
I have so much fondness for that episode because it is the first one I've ever watched. I took the train running and when I did, that was the last wagon. :)
Davos! (Not to be confused with Davros.)
Doctor WHO is ALL genres, and that's why it will always be the best show ever. The Ice Warriors of Mars were a Classic WHO species. I don't say villain, because they weren't always, sometimes they were allies. They have nuance and individuality like humans. They were in I think 3 stories overall in the 70s and there was a planed 4th in the 80s that didn't happen. Love the Martians. One of the books goes back in time to their history and they had a Gifting Economy. They gained honor by giving to others. It was really fascinating, also the kind of thing you can't really show on screen when limited to an hour adventure. Also in expanded media they go into why they left Mars and our solar system behind for colder pastures. Looking forward to your next episode, it is one of my 11th Doc favorites!
They were in 2 stories in the '60s and 2 in the '70s.
@@Kasterborous1963 I totally blanked on Seeds of Death, I don't know why. Could be I'm getting old. And you're right about the dates too... I don't know why, but in my addled brain I always think of only 1st Doc being 60s, but that's obviously wrong.
This episode was not a “sub” trope episode. The sub was just a place to have a bottle episode so you could focus on the Martian. To think otherwise is to miss the point.
I know the old professor as the bad guy in Time bandits and Tron
He is a professor again in _Scream 2._ Also more time travel in _Time after Time._
I thought it was quite refreshing that the episode didn’t have all the usual submarine tropes that you see in the movies. I think that would have been too much, having to cram all that into a 45 minute episode, and had they done that it would have taken the spotlight off of the Ice Warrior being there, roaming about, killing members of the crew.
This was the 5th time the Doctor had met the Ice Warriors (though the 1st time in NuWho). Of course the words “Ice Warrior” is a generic term, used in all the stories they feature in, when their correct name should be “Martian,” being that they are originally from Mars.
The first time we meet them is in the 5th season of the 2nd Doctor’s era. Called “The Ice Warriors,” the story takes place on a futuristic Earth in the grip of a new ice age. The Doctor and his companions find themselves in a scientific base where scientists are using an ioniser device to combat the advance of glaciers around the world.
Outside, a section of these scientists are searching for archaeological finds when they discover what looks like a man wearing warrior armour, inside a block of ice. One of the scientists turns to another and says, “Proper Ice Warrior, Sir.” The scientists cut out a block of ice containing the warrior and take it back to the base where it begins to thaw. Once free and now revived, the Ice Warrior, called Varga, goes back to where he was found and begins thawing out the rest of his warrior crew, with one aim in his mind: as Mars is a dead world then the conquest of Earth must take place so it can become their new home.
This story has it roots in the 1951 classic horror, “The Thing from Another World,” where scientists at a base find a buried spaceship and nearby, embedded in a block of ice, a “thing” from another world. They take it back to base, it thaws out and… well, you know the rest. “The Ice Warriors” is a great Doctor Who story in a season which also features stories with the Cybermen (twice), the Great Intelligence (twice) and intelligent alien seaweed (I kid you not!)
This episode has a very strong cast.
Being chronically online is crazy bc them not recognizing Josh O'Connor immediately had me stressed out!!
We get spoilt with Who, we expect so much more than we do from other programs. This was not about submarines . it was about who is our enemy and context. who we respect and what is bushtit. Also it was an important in Clara's arch. adventure verses reality, game verses consequence. the sub was just a way to contain the story. if we played in to old sub tropes we would have missed the Who story, and one of the ways Clara as a companion is different to others. She needs normal reality to balance the crazy.
Aye - and if you’re doing an episode set in a nuclear sub during the Cold War, you have to bring in some brinksmanship.
If y'all decided to do a Red October watchalong, I'd watch it.
The episode with 2 Game of Thrones guest stars.
Depth charges ? Against whom ?
Nah the professor was always gold
Don't forget Day of the doctor and time of the doctor at the end of the season. After the name of the doctor.
I think they are watching on Max. And there they have all the episodes in the right order
😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
Although I appreciate bringing back old villains. Not my favourite Ice Warrior episode. It has to go to The Seeds Of Death in Classics
Anyone hyped for the savages?
When was a pound worth 4 Dollars?
1940
The oldest currency pair in the world.
I hate how americans have been conditioned to care more about "through lines" and "season arcs". for half a decade, doctor who was about telling self contained stories in episodes. to appease you americans they started focusing more on "season arcs". It is nothing but cancer for the doctor who franchise. Ncuti Gatwa's first season had great self-contained stories, but their awful "god of death" arc left a sour taste on the entire season. They have to keep increasing the stakes to have grander and grander finales.
I get talking about the through-line when that's what the episode is about. But being given a self-contained story and whining about not having a season-arc just makes me disappointed in the future of media. Marvel has turned everyone's brains into mush. Season arcs that build up to a season finale were the worst thing to happen to doctor who.
I agree.
@@JudgeJosephDredd1989 And its not their first time doing it either, every time they're given a self contained story, they talk about not having a through line. Its genuinely what their brains have come to expect from doctor who now: not self contained stories, but season arcs. Give them a self contained story, their brains will go: "wait where's the through line?". they're out here literally counting down how many episodes are left in the season.
and unfortunately that's the mentality that doctor who/disney/bbc has been appeasing more and more lately. thus, we get sutekh and the empire of death.
Disagree. We need a through-line with story arcs each season featuring big baddy every finale. Forget the stakes, journey and experience. This is how we fans evolve, whether you like it or not.
I love a good standalone episode, despite being a despised American. ;) Every episode shouldn't be about the arc. That's what's led to shorter and shorter seasons/series and less time to focus on characters (which isn't filler, hate that term).
@@A7bz3LOT4AL0B Every episode doesn't have to be about that.
What's wrong with being a standalone episode?
Love the ice warriors but i didnt like it coming out it should be in the suit like the old episodes with them.
Very much disagree.
Old versions only didnt come out because of budgetary and tech reasons. There's no reason to hold to that when you have the option to exapand.
@@xiongrey19 I disagree because I think it takes the mystery out of it and not everything needs to be explained or revealed.
@@JudgeJosephDredd1989 But not everything needs to be hidden either. Hiding something just for the sake of it isn't fulfilling.
What Ice Warriors look like under their suits is not an interesting mystery, so there's no reason that a story can't explore the hunt of a submarine crew by an Ice Warrior unsuited to better get around.
Narratively, it's more interested to see what we got than it is to uphold a mystery that has no significance.
Had to in order to escape