I was told in my evangelical “full-gospel” church growing up to never study religion in university or it will kill your faith. I studied theology and it led me to leave the church too. If I have to remain ignorant to believe then there’s a huge problem with the religion. It was the history of the Bible that did it for me.
Strange how SHALLOW the reasons for LEAVING are. How full of PRIDE and missing the key point of the 12 tribes and Passover, literally not even trying to SEE THE PURPOSE OF GOD.
@newestengineer @newestengineer Yes lying is a very shallow reason. There are far more positive rituals one could engage in other than one that celebrates the slaughtering of first born childeren unless you happen to put the blood of a slaughtered lamb on your door.
@@AI_Flight_Engineer It's probably not a good idea to undermine another person's spirituality or to assume their experiences weren't as genuine as your own. I'm saying this as someone who has done that and looked back in regret as my own reality changed.
I'm an 80 year old man. My church life began when I was a child. Through the years I've attended more than one denomination and non-denominational church. I have pursued religious teachings and also studied the bible academically. I've been exposed to the things that you and your guests talk about, including errors, inconsistencies, and contradictions. I also have abandoned organized religion. But, and here's the big BUT, I have not done it due to rebellion or a feeling of betrayal. I have done it because I feel I have attained a spiritual relationship to a higher power. It seems to me that you and your guests have a common thread. All have turned to academia as a justification for abandoning not only organized religion, but also the idea of a God/creator. My position is; doing one does not have to equate to the other. I would recommend seeking a very personal spiritual relationship with a creator. Stop allowing RELIGION to get in your way. Let organized religion go by the wayside. You don't have to throw out the baby with the bath water.
I am almost your age, sir. I do believe that religion has nothing to do with salvation. It is your personal relationship with Jesus that will save you. However, God gave us free will so we can believe what we want.
You're right, William, but since most people have no conscience - since most are liars - since most care far too much about their ego and their sense of superiority - while truth is not even a blip on their radar - we have a world of the insane. You are right that "religion" and the fake churches and fake preachers are deceiving those that have no conscience - Jesus said, "They have their reward" because they were attempting to impress others instead of caring for the poor and the sick. Jesus referred to the swine - which are the greedy pigs - that want more for themselves instead of giving and sharing and helping others. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life." You can't get to the truth with lies - which is what these insane "scholars" attempt to do. Thank you for your comment.
Born again atheist. Left the faith after 25 years of being a devout Baptist. To each their own, but life is much better, and my appreciation for the world around me has deepened since i left the faith.
People, and most Christians, operate, as Paul mentioned in Romans 12, “according to the pattern of this world,” which is to interpret everything through the mind, which is governed by the “desires of the heart,” which is filled with a drug-like substance called “the cares and worries of this life and deceitfulness of wealth.”
How have you left the "faith" when perhaps you never had it? When you have faith, it does not matter whether it is through religion or science because FAITH cannot be gained through logic. When you exhaust the logic, then you just sit quietly and look at the petals of the flower. No need to dissect it. Faith and belief are not the same and are not mutually exclusive. It comes down to this, either know IT or do not know IT.
I left the Baptist church that I grew up in, when my baby was two weeks old. I walked into church like my mom and dad did with me and my siblings, but I was stopped at the door with my baby boy and told he couldn’t come in because he would make noise and they were broadcast on the radio. It broke my heart, and me. I could walk out my door and it was next door. I left the church after trying one other small church but it was a fire a brimstone preaching. I left‼️ Now my home, car, outside is my church, my garden is where I found my peace again.
@@jesusisunstoppable4438 Jesus sis the fake. Try explaining this Mr unstoppable. Luke 9 28 Now about eight days after these sayings Jesus took with him Peter and John and James, and went up on the mountain to pray. 29 And while he was praying, the appearance of his face changed, and his clothes became dazzling white. 30 Suddenly they saw two men, Moses and Elijah, talking to him. *Wouldn't an omnipotent, omniscient omnipresent god know Moses is a myth* So Jesus had a seance with his imaginary friend? And that is what you believe. Moses has been proven to be a myth by mountains of evidence that shows the Israelites were just another Canaanite tribe that rose to the top after the bronze age collapse. That was the 10th century *BCE* Not a shred of evidence has ever been found support Exodus or Moses or Joshua.
@andrewharper1609so you are a spokesperson for gawd ? God said this Jesus said that .... I guess gawd can't speak for himself and needs vile flawed humans to twist things around for him , gawd really needs to stand up for himself 😂
I spent twenty five years in a Pentacostal oriented, non denominational church of 4000 people, 20 satellite churches worldwide, radio and television ministries, a grade school through high school campus, a college. I spent six years studying Theology full time. I've kind of seen it all. I've seen guys like your first guest passionate about his faith, legalistic with his family, go through divorce, blame himself and his religion, walk away only to, say, 20 years later, come back to the faith saying "I was wrong. I was not completely honest with myself and everyone else because, deep inside, I knew that God was real". The one evidence I can't dispute is experiential evidence. I can argue internal evidence all day long, showing alleged contradictions, manuscript variances, contextual misinterpretation, etc. I can argue external evidences all day long. The walls of Jericho, the ark in Turkey, carbon dating, etc. I've learned it all, the pros, the cons, the in between. But one evidence I can never dispute is the evidence I've experienced in my own life. He can't dispute it either, which is why, like some other's I've seen, come back to the faith. I could list all of the things I've experienced and witnessed first hand. But I'm not here to argue. I'm sharing my own experience. I cannot leave the one I know. I happen to love Him.❤
@rcchristian2 I've studied tons of science, as well. As all things in the world of science there is supporting evidence on both and all sides. It essentially comes down to what evidence one wants to believe in. Both are acts of faith, ultimately. Creation theory or the theory of evolution. Contradiction or no contradictions. There are arguments on all sides. Now many, due to circular reasoning will say "evolution has been proven" but that's simply not true. Creation has not been proven either. I met Richard Leaky and his band of faithful followers. They all had certain preconceived ideas and there was no way they would ever consider anything else..until, of course, some things were found to be incorrect. That happens all the time in science and religion. We are circular reasoning beings and we can't seem to help ourselves. I could easily gather scholars to dispute ten hours worth of arguments against Christianity. Both sides would have excellent points but in the end, it comes down to experience for pretty much everyone. Faith.
@@АртурИванов-ч9э Experiential evidence refers to information or knowledge gained through direct personal experience or observation rather than through theoretical or secondhand sources. It relies on firsthand encounters, perceptions, and lived experiences as a basis for understanding or forming beliefs about a particular subject.
I'm 80. I went to seminary for 3 years. I'm an atheist now. Religion was a first attempt to explain things without the scientific method. As people got smarter and learned the scientific method they changed their religious radicalism. People need something to soothe their emotional injuries etc. They make things up and get rigidified.
True science, ie. "Factual evidence" cannot be argued against. However, the interpretation of said facts is a different story. Fact: Dinosaurs existed. Opinion: Dinosaurs went extinct millions of years ago, before humans existed. Fact: The Bible describes dinosaurs (the Behemoth and the Leviathan) as living creatures against whom spears and other human weapons were ineffective. The Bible warns people not to try attacking them. The Bible describes what they ate, where they lived, what their tracks look like on land and passing through water, how their tail swayed like a cedar, the impenetrableness of their tough hide and armored plates, their habits, etc, etc. The Biblical accounts of dinosaurs sound an awful lot like scientific observation, don't they?
When God said, "Let there be light", I am quite certain there was an explosion (or "Big Bang" - to borrow the phrase) . Energy went out from God (His voice), in the form of vibration. Vibration is the only thing that everything in the Universe has in common and part of the electro-magnetic spectrum. As this energy slowed to the speed of light, entering the Finite Realm, it first appeared all as light, which was the first thing God created, saying, "Let there be light." As it slowed further, it would have diversified into the full electromagnetic spectrum, then condensing into solid objects like galaxies, stars, planets, etc. My theory is based on the inverse of Einstein's E=mc2 equation. Solve the equation for mass and it shows how to take pure energy and create mass. m=E/c2 (mass equals Energy divided by the speed of light squared). To create the Universe, it would take nearly an infinite amount of energy. Imagine the reverse of a nuclear bomb. Instead of turning plutonium into various forms of energy like heat, light, sound and radiation, these same things, which diversified from God's infinite vocal-sound-vibration combined to form solid objects which make up our Universe. There is no other cohesive explanation that could explain where this nearly infinite amount of energy could originate. Dark matter or anti-matter are foolish postulations. They simply credit matter and energy with all the same attributes as God, except for intelligence, which is critical to the creation of a complex system capable of life. Not only is DNA complex, but also the entire environment to support life is tremendously complex. Complexity to support complexity does not happen by chance. Stephen Hawking's explanation requires people to ignore the Law of the conservation of mass and energy. My theory, however, agrees with it. So, God, the source of infinite power, who is an intelligent designer, is completely necessary to the creation of the Universe. This is my theory, I have published it previously, it may be shared only in it's entirety with full attribution: copyright David Willhite, 2023
@@davidwillhite421 Yeah, no. And furthermore, Nah-weh didn't do it. Was there some dude watching the eternal dude and writing it all down? Or is it more likely that it is a story stemming from the sun baked brain of somebody illiterate in the desert doing an metaphor of the sun rising? And just so you know, atheists and scientists are not saying we came from nothing. That is what theists are saying happened. Literally...we came from nothing and god was nothing until he did something. It is absurd and doesn't explain anything at all.
I have gone through a similar Journey to what these scholars are going through. Also arrived at many of the same conclusions. I am 82 years old. Born in 1941. My background was fundamental also but self-imposed fundamentalism. I sought it out. When I was 13 years old I was watching a Billy Graham Crusade on TV and when he made the alter call I said to myself these people walking down the aisle are going to be doing the same thing on Monday they were doing on Friday. This is not real! (The Crusade broadcast was on a Sunday.) Immediately after thinking that the little TV room I was in was filled with a Light that was/is indescribable. I can only describe it as pure warmth and love. A kind of Love that could never be described in human words. That is the experience that put me on a course of life-long seeking. It is as real to me in 2023 as it was in 1953. I never believed in speaking in tongues but 30 years later I was watching a TBN Broadcast and a group of pastors on stage broke into tongues. I said to myself, "OK God I don't believe in tongues but I don't think these men are faking speaking in them." Instantly I began to speak in them. They just bubbled up from deep within me. I said all that to say this. No matter how deeply we delve into the history and scholastics of Christianity there is something out there that is as real as the cutting of the umbilical cord that happened to each one of us. I am a poet and I have never been able to describe my Light Experience except to say it must almost be the same as Paul's Light Experience on the way to Damascus. I doubt anyone ever reads these comments but if they do I would like to say to them maybe we have this Christianity thing all wrong. but there is something we know little about going on and it is supernatural. I don't have the answers. No human being has the answers.
I can identify with the indescribable light. It set me on long spiritual journey that led to jesus's sacrifice on the cross. my journey with Christ continues.
I did friend. May God bless and keep you. Although I also have many logical reasons for a belief in God and faith in Christ, experience can also be a powerful thing
Intellectually, at the age of 57, I’m discovering so much more about the history of early Christianity that does make me doubt the validity of the religion. And yet I’ve had so many experiences with God that I still feel a relationship and an instinct to pray. “There’s more between heaven and earth than is dreamed of in your philosophy, Horacio.”
Thank you so much for your comments. I love the way you expressed this, “Maybe we have this Christianity thing all wrong, but there is something we know little about going on and it is supernatural. I don’t have the answers. No human being has the answers.” I am 57 and have been on a long journey. I never bought into the literalist interpretation of scripture and I think now that evangelicalism is cultic. Then recently I became very disillusioned with my local church because of the way they treated gay people who were close to me. I have learned so much since then about the literary history of the Bible and the history of the church and I am drawing the same conclusions as yourself. I’ve just had so many supernatural experiences, especially of the tangible sense of the Presence, in meditation, in ‘thin places’, in nature, etc, that I know that “there is more between heaven and hell than is dreamed of i your philosophy, Horacio.” I feel more and more that there’s a wonderful mystery at the core of reality Who is operating for our good and can be encountered in stillness, in nature, through conversation with people, through poetry and art and even at times through the the more inspired parts of scripture. At the moment I am finding the teachings of Fr Richard Rohr very helpful. He has written many books and there’s a wealth of his teachings on RUclips and his organisation, Centre for Action and Contemplation are worth subscribing to. cac.org/daily-meditations/going-somewhere-good/
So sorry, Derek, that your chat is full of such closed-minded folks. Your work is so important, providing a space for these fearless seekers of the honest truth. At 70 it is what I wished for when I was asking the forbidden questions. Thank you, again. Watching and Listening from Alaska.
What the purpose of life for you? What's the difference between you and a non living object like a chair? You truly believe we are going to die and that's it? You will find out the hard way. I'm not saying that to threaten but to warn you. Jesus is coming back soon!
@@Observation-ch9hc Jesus must think a generation is a couple of thousand years long. That my gullible believer, is a FAILED prophecy by non other than the man himself. But I always heard it spun to not say what he said. Obviously, you fell for the lie about that one.
Yes , sooner or later , once one realizes that ones faith is based on bronze / iron age myths , fables and superstitions invented by ignorant shamans, rabbis and priests it's pretty hard to stay committed to nonsense ! The wake up pill is hard to swallow !
It's modern humans who are ignorant. It's like calling JK Rowling ignorant. She rights a brilliant book depicting the "heroes journey" containing life lessons. Is she ignorant if someone comes along 3000 years later and takes it as fact? 🤦
@HoniTheCircleMaker13 No. In principle, JKR is not ignorant. But 3,000 years from now, I hope that if Harry Potter has replace Jesus, then there is a record of the TRUTH, that JKR was an author of fictional stories with a moral component, not a sage with a direct hotline to the creator of the universe, and that Harry Potter was not the son of that creator. In other words, I hope the future contains the TRUTH, stemming the human tendency to seek heroes and promote them to ridiculous heights on no basis whatsoever, as has been done with Christianity, where some guy in a small Jewish sect ends up being promoted by a Roman citizen with an agenda (St Paul), and by those who followed in the next few centuries, to be the virgin-birthed only son of the creator of a universe of countless trillions of stars (not known at the time, but promoted repeatedly as our knowledge of the universe led us to realise its immense spatial and temporal scale).
@@HoniTheCircleMaker13 Or Aesop's fables, or a book of proverbs from around the world. It only has limited value, all of it. The best thing to do is do your best, treat humans with kindness, and think with your head, see with your eyes, and hear with your ears. You don't need special mana or pie in the sky things. Most of it, if not all of it, is just vanity and self entertainment.
At this moment "liberalism" is a problem not religion. Arguing with atheists who are 99.9 % liberal is exactly like arguing with xtians! Both get rabidly violent Both can't present evidence Both rely on strawman nonsense Both love ad hom Both argue from authority And both have IQ s of doorknob
At this moment "liberalism" is a problem not religion. Arguing with atheists who are 99.9 % liberal is exactly like arguing with xtians! Both get rabidly violent Both can't present evidence Both rely on strawman nonsense Both love ad hom Both argue from authority And both have IQ s of doorknobs
I became a ChristIan at he age of 30 after a spiritual journey in which no pastor or church was involved. My faith was, and still is, between myself and God.
NO one was called to follow a pastor nor a church BUT CHRIST alone. Once you lay down your life you will receive his life and you are made able to see and walk the way. Men earthly wisdom get on the way of God Heavenly wisdom. You can't even begin to compare these 2.
As an ex-Christian for 15 years now, I can honestly say that the joy and liberation I felt as an atheist eventually drifted away and I had nothing else to really fall back on besides philosophy. But I am now a Buddhist of 3 years and living a much happier life than I ever did before. So I sincerely hope everyone here finds something that works for them as well and I encourage you all to never give up on yourself or your spirituality. 🙏
@@paulslaveofjesuschrist9939 I believe in the living god of the universe that breathes through us all, just not a personal one. However, I believe I can know this god personally through myself and through you. So I see your intentions as pure and you just want to help and I thank you for that. But what exactly about my message is telling you that I am lost?
@@ShdwftheSuN Forgive me for butting in on this conversation, but I just want to say that I was once where you are now. I knew I was lost when God came and found me and opened my eyes to see that I could never be fully one with God without the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
I think the orginal post is interesting and happens to many people. Fascinating how humans need to CHANGE constantly to move forward and feel connected in all various manners of life. Best wishes to you!
I knew a man who was the reverend who ended up becoming a pastor. He loved studying the Bible and believed it intensely so he decided he would get his PhD. which he did achieve but it changed his perspective. I noticed it had changed him and asked him why. He told me that out of 50 students who were in his class at University only three finished their studying and earned their phd. He also said many of the students who didn't finish had giving up Christianity. It's definitely one of the reasons I decided to look but my intention wasn't to give up my Faith. When I did it really hurt but slowly over time my mental stability became better and now I wish I had started the journey sooner.
True Christians don't need PhDs or higher education - in the first century Jesus exposed the Jewish religious leaders and all those who had attended the Rabbinical schools of higher education - their qualifications were redundant - they had no spiritual understanding. Same goes for today - the clergy of Christendom are corrupt all the way up through the ranks from vicar to priest and bishop to pope. Jesus' disciples were viewed as ordinary men and 'unlettered' - they had not attended the Rabbinical schools, yet they had been educated by the 'fine teacher' Jesus Christ whose knowledge came directly from knowing his Father. At Matthew 24:45 Jesus referred to the 'faithful and discreet slave' - this is the governing body of Christian elders that directs the preaching work - the true vine that Jesus referred to in John chapter 15. Anyone who claims to be a Christian and yet does not make 'public declaration' (Romans 10:10), is deceiving themselves - they are not part of the true vine led by holy spirit. Anyone who relies on 'higher' secular education and goes to 'theological' school to become qualified .. it's a waste of time.
@@Chris_Sheridan for some reason you apparently think there's something wrong with higher education. Do you think it's wrong to learn about the history of your own culture or belief system, if so why? I think it's good to learn from history so the same mistakes from the past are not repeated. Do you prefer to just think you are justified in your beliefs enough to possibly repeat the same mistake? I try to be very careful and educate myself as much as possible, a willingness to learn is to gain more knowledge. Also why are quoting The Bible to me?
@@Chris_Sheridan You completely missed the point that Christ made when he argued with Jewish religious leaders. The point he made account for today's Christianity too. People are falling away from faith because churches are soulless and only care about their hierarchy, rituals, money, power, control, prestige and good looks. All of this is consequence of Catholic church destroying gnostics(who didn't cared for hierarchy nor power), abusing the name of Christ, any book or literature that doesn't align with their view which brought the dark age in Europe. Nothing that Christ spoke of was meant for education.
@@Defectivegg .. in your amazing ignorance you have missed the observation that bible scholars worldwide acknowledge that Jesus Christ was the greatest teacher of lessons in life - no other historical figure has influenced today's calendar year (2024) to the times of anyone else's achievements, except for that one person - the Son of God.
@@Chris_Sheridan You mention that education is wrong and now saying how scholars around the world acknowledge Christ. Those scholars got their Phd from universities which means they had to educate themselves. And don't say that those universities aren't secular because Jewish rabbis probably didn't went to have education about their faith in Rome. That's my two cents on the matter.
I am a fan of long videos. RUclips saves your spot. And there are show notes. I particularly like the long form for this discussion because it takes Not only hours but years to recover from undue influence! So happy all of you are free of theocracy!
I find it interesting that someone in a Masters or PhD program (even in a theological institute) would not have studied the development of the Hellenistic period, as well as Greek and Roman mythology, world religions, etc., at the undergrad level. This is why Humanities are so critical to a lifelong learning.
@gerardmoloney433 Can you read Hebrew on native speaker level? Can you read Greek on native speaker level? Translations are always a loss of meaning. Do you know the culture of Greeks and jews in the second century? Well then you do not understand the meaning of a lot in the text. Learn Greek, Hebrew and read for starters Homer, Vergil, Euripides, and basic Greek philosophy. After that, read the "Iesous" ( Jesus) stories. You seem to have overlooked that we have here greek-roman literature, and authors have sock puppet characters and the author make them talk. Paul the oldest storyteller, did not invent these sentences you cited, Mark did not invent these sentences, Luke did not invent them, Mathew did not invent them. The latest story came up with new made up stuff. John make up the water into wine from the Dionysos cult and so much more like the words you cited. We have no evidence that a dead Aramaic speaking preacher ever said what Greek authors, in Greek stories produced for a Greek audience.
@gerardmoloney433 "Jesus fulfilled 109 Old Testament prophecies during His lifetime and for 8 prophecies to happen by chance is mathematically impossible." Someone has really deceived you on the number of prophecies, but the way to explain any of that is that none of it ever happened. After the alleged time of hesus, someone used the old testament to concoct the new testament and make it all up, make it appear that it fulfilled prophecies to you, from your perspective, with you not really knowing Judaism and what they expected from the coming savior. Go watch a video by a rabbi who explains why jesus did not fulfill what they expected from the savior character, Go learn why they were not fooled, why they did not convert, why they are still jewish to this day and not christian. You simply don't know enough about the subject you are talking about.
@gerardmoloney433 "No human being would even dream of making such claims." The only type of person who can say this is someone who knows nothing about all the religions (mythologies) that came before christianity. None of the ideas in christianity are new, not even close, every one of them was lifted from a previous myth.
I started deconstructing at age 5, wanting to be a magician and scientist at 6, study non stop. With hardcore dad, I read 5 versions of the bible by age 21. It's never been accepted by my mind since 5... it's grown stronger every day since. These deconstruct stories sadden me, yet help my heart. If there was a Jesus, he knew these times were coming with enough education. Any amount of Gods belief is too much, but carving it down to one is at least a start. Silly human race. 100 billion of us have wasted this life on earth. Gr8! Peace ☮💜Love
have a read of The language of God by the scientist and former head of the genome project, Collins. christianity is about how we treat others, it is not trying to answer science but in some ways it does... you have to believe in intelligent design to be able to do science in the first place
Excellent interviews. Excellent interviewer. You do a fantastic job of naturally asking questions and letting your subject fully answer with almost zero interruption. 90% of interviewers cannot do that well.
Thanks Derek this was a great idea on a personal level I’m so thankful for these scholars for paving the road and sharing their knowledge And MYTHVISION thanks brother
I attended an evangelical Baptist chapel in rural East Sussex from before I was born, but as soon as I was able to think for myself, I realised that little of what I was told at chapel could be believed. It took many years of study to be able to justify it, while I continued to search for a credible model of God. I have long since given up the search, but I still retain a faith in something that is beyond our comprehension, and that possibly represents a basic human need for meaning and purpose, and that may be the source of the earliest myths, that eventually found their way into the Bible.
I can so relate to Kipp Davis, the more Christians attack me now for not believing what they are saying, the more I know I'm good with not going to their churches.. My whole family are strongly indoctrinated, and I use to be, but the more I research the more it didn't add up. Do just even trying to talk the history of religions bible and before totally pisses them off. I refuse to go anywhere where open discussion is not allowed!!!
Debate is always welcome! And to each man his right to faith is also welcome. I am not a scholar but as practising attorney i know the search for evidence today of a bygone era with the cultural conditioning of this age, is seeking out an impossible outcome. I have believed and then also disbelieved for a time. I know from experience the scriptures come alive when you add faith to it. Maybe i believe in vain. Thats a choice i make. But that does not mean i operate in ignorance. No one really know everything. Not anyone. I think spirituality is an adventure. Open your heart to the impossible. And keep reason accessible.
@@pn558 Why do I know, that Yeshua is God, who made Heaven and earth? I prayed as an unbeliever to the God, who made Heaven and earth. And when He came into my room, I asked Him to prove to me, that He is the God, who made Heaven and earth, So I know, what many do not know. Yeshua is not another God, but the incarnation and the manifestation of the invisible God. Yeshua is the Messiah of the Jews, The King of the Jews. He is Immanu EL, God with us, the Arm of God, Almighty God, Our Savior. He died for our sins, that saves us through faith in Him, by following Him. I experienced Paradise and Hell, both are real. God and Satan are real. We humans are slaves and will go to the light or the darkness according to whom we follow. Our life is a dressing room for eternity, with eternal life in the presence of God or damnation in the lake of fire. Our soul and spirit are eternal, the question is, where we will spend eternity?
I left the church at 14 and earned my biology degree. My worldview was evolutionary. One day when I was 27 the Holy Spirit convicted me and guided me to move. I ended up joining a church and my whole worldview changed. It seems to me that the intellectual community really indoctrinates people with a worldview that is different than a Christian worldview. Evolution is one example. I am now convinced because of scientific evidence that all that exists is Intelligently designed. My mind was changed in the early 80s and since then more and more evidence has been discovered to confirm my faith. The Shroud of Turin would be another example of scientific evidence for my faith. I visited Israel twice in the last 5 years. The archeological evidence in Israel is confirming my faith beyond my expectations. I find the journey from faith to non faith an interesting topic. My opinion is that the intellectual community "nudges" people in a certain direction.
Yep, indoctrination as the world hates the light. Even Darwin though that life would get simpler magnified and that cells were just little bags of protoplasm. If he was alive to see what we have discovered in the field of cell biology I have a hard time believing he would stick to his theory. Life is just way too complex and obviously designed (also obviously deteriorating since)
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❤In the beginning there was one energy that split down the middle one side was positive energy the other was negative energy. Whoosh all planets an water vegetation heaven an hell was formed. One energy was Melchizedek the other was God Melchizedek could create humans but God could only create spirits. They figured out human emotions were powerful energy. Human worshippers emotions were over powered. They helped build pyramids and structures geometrically perfect all over the world to create earth magnetic pull. To extract human emotions. God wanted all the power to himself so he used the weapon on Melchizedek and turned him into the purple flame. God put the purple flame in the moon to enhance emotions even more. That's why the moon glows. I'm a atheist just like you because I know for a fact that God an the devil don't exist. Because I destroyed them they were both negative energy. Jesus an I are the last 2 standing ❤So the devil tricked God into testing Job. The devil argument was u let me test Job what about the rest of the humans. 2 weeks worth of negative energy was allowed to enter the body. Living a thousand years to what we can live now because negative energy rots the body causes all illnesses. So dreams were allowed to take away negative energy a dream for a day. Even a preacher that stays up past the witching hour 11 dream can b messed with. Cain Mark that God put on him being the first black man. Think about those that don't dream. Negative energy pushes our positive energy down to our butt and upper thighs that why no harm is ever there Our positive energy only surfaces if the body is in trauma . Shock what ever you want to call it. That's how magic was made. People would be tortured in water to keep the shock constant with negative prayers. Someone or a group could bind the positive energy to there will. I stopped that to no more magic ❤The fallen Angels figure out how to trap a soul in a diamond box. They built a giant diamond box and shot it into lower orbit. With there care system they gathered up 100 of thousands of babies. It was going to be the biggest sacrifice in man kind history of course they would eat them. There souls would go up an get trapped in the giant diamond box. Souls are recycled through heaven so it would be a matter of time before heaven was emptied. I stopped it with seconds to spare. Jesus didn't think I would be able to stop it so he took a renowned black preacher in the last minute by car wreck. It's ironic what they named the box The Web ❤When the devil took a third of heaven Enoch went with him. Enoch figured out true quantum about 60 years ago so the devil put a diamond chip in all his crew right hand and put them through the quantum machine. It would pick what they would look like an enhance certain abilities. Bam super heroes an villains were born . Enoch was the red skull an the devil was Thanos the devil would never put himself through the quantum machine because he would loose his angel of light. In the valley of death we're he wasn't allowed to take any children under the age of puberty. Unless hey little boy or girl wouldn't you like to be a spider man or woman look how colorful we are. When they sign on the dotted line. Bam in the quantum machine an it would pick what they would be. Then they were forced to fight in the fifth dimension arenas were I rose through the ranks battling hulk's an supermen. Once I asked the devil before I ripped his soul out. I said what would you do if you win an get my power. His exact words were I would turn myself into Galactus and destroy this universe an create a new one. I said that sounds lonely ❤Why are there so many mirrors in space on all space crap. A mirror is a portal for demons. Not all mirrors just the ones that reflection of a sacrifice. Then demons uncleaned spirit what ever you call them would be summoned to help. I stopped that to no more demons or uncleaned spirits ❤end game supermen an women no babies all babies will start at 7 years old and grow up tell there 33.all over 33 will become 33.Thoes that have true (compassion for your fellow man) will be allowed to pick yr body type an shape. Man or woman are equal. Up to 12 in a Herm man or woman's. Are allowed. Some will be able to leave earth and visit heaven or stay. Governing system those that loose true compassion for your fellow man. Will loose power and have to eat an crap again and live out there speck of existence ❤When we are born our aura is always purple celestrial because we are recycled through heaven. A baby is as close to a angel as it gets. Then there is blue aura true compassion for your fellow man. All blue aura automatically goes to heaven. Then there is orange aura confrontational with fellow man all orange aura waiting for judgement day. Then there is red aura judge and jury to fellow man all red aura automatically goes to hell. Then there black aura executioner to fellow man to bad for hell all black aura automatically goes to the abyss where they come out like locust in the end. Our emotions are judged by are aura love at the top an hate at the other. Negative energy is 3 times more powerful than positive energy so we have to do three good to one bad to stay balanced. When we get close to red aura hell actually orange level 8. Sorrow is put into our lives to keep us out the red hell. The devil puts fear in our lives to counter. Big war goes on over the soul. It's better to have no arms no legs paralyzed and can't talk an make it into heaven because we get our warrior body back ❤No one has to believe in a god to make it through . (True compassion for your fellow man is enough). But believing in Jesus will reset yr aura back to purple celestrial ❤I share a god with many names. I call him Jesus or J for short. All he wants is true compassion for your fellow man. Because without that how are we to be together. Someone always looking for power. Or something over the other. There will be quantum food machines. Just think what u want. Like now think about in yr mind say yes I want to know. I will feel yr thoughts an release the truth. In Jesus name if seemed harder an knocked harder than u could imagine. So that I got the attention of the fallen Angels illuminati aka aliens NASA what ever you want to call them. An there creater D himself. To where he an Enoch put the chalidlen red evil warrior planet. Shrunk it down in the micro dimension an put it inside me . Because you keep what you kill universal rule. So he didn't know if I was good or bad because I had no aura an I was once saved an fell away. I did take the Elijah spirit from heaven. So the devil wanted my power. With the red planet in me he knew I couldn't be good. Rise of the red planet. I can speak chalidlen to the sun an wind it obey me. ❤A few years ago the fallen Angels gathered up scientists from around the world to go to Antarctica under sworn secrecy. Everyone thought they found a portal but they found that years before. In middle earth, first heaven, paradise what ever you want to call it. I call it paradise. Were the floor is glass and the Sea is under the sky is above. How this u say because gravity is reversed. Were Elon 40 satellites were destroyed an my final battle with the fallen Angels was. My rule is no satellites an no shoes on the seacret floor. The portal could take u to the 8 planets I stopped that to it wasn't very big. No the scientist were gathered for another reason. When God flooded the world because of the Giants breath was hurting his angels. Gods last act before leaving was flood an leave. 10 giants were flash froze and the fallen Angels needed help bringing them back. Success the thin line chemtrails are true giants breath. I stopped that to no more chemtrails We always been the prey Those that rejects the power not the god will enter trials and tribulation. ❤So after the red planet was put in me. An I had the Elijah spirit. The devil wanted to test me He sent a tin can full of fallen angels an big foots. I destroyed them all but not with out a price. The Elijah spirit ten thousand fall to yr right and ten thousand fall to yr left not a hair on yr head will be harmed. Not for me. I got 167 stitches broken back doc still can't believe I'm walking a paralyzed left hand. The fallen could turn back time a few hours. I stopped that to. They brought back the fallen Angels but they couldn't bring back the big foots. Left me to be bay flighted into Louisville hospital. So I took 17 prayers and made them 1.thin I took 15 prayers and made them 1 I took both prayers 33 in all an made them 1 two minute prayer so powerful I gave back the Elijah spirit an flow I took from heaven. Even the numbers 17 an 15 are powerful. If u say 17. 15. In yr mind repeatedly for 20 seconds . 4 hours of negative energy will creep out yr feet. Try it if u think I'm lying it only takes 20 seconds.
These men have a great deal of learned knowledge. It sounds like they all have both life and spiritual experiences. I had a true rebirth experience at 27. No other experience before that. I maintained a steady prayer life and just reading, asking for a greater understanding of the Word. This was my life for about 5yrs. Things happened and I slowly drifted away. After 15yrs I felt the tug of the Holy Spirit to come back. I did. I have found, at least for me, if I overthink and not leave it to the Holy Spirit to teach then I can get confused. While I do believe deep theological teaching is great, I take the Bible in the simplicity in which it was written. I find this is the simplest way to convey the true message of Jesus Christ. I feel for these 'scholars' who have lost their first love. My hope, my prayer for them is: come back, back to your first love, Jesus Christ.
Thank you for your comment. I did the reverse moved away from the charismatic, but came back now beiing allowed to think for myself and realise that I did not need dogma or paricular factual belief since the myths of the bible were enough because I felt the mythic stories are just as real or even more real than the physical world, so factual history was no longer my way of measuring reality. We can live myths as a reality so I do not need factual historical seven day creation, vrigin births, resurrection, flood etc, but mythically they are reall stories that effect the psyche.
So what your saying is.. if you research the truth.. it won't be true. It's better to be ignorant and shallow and keep it simple.. and not question it, so the truth won't be revealed. This is how you sound to me. But le me ask you? If God were real.. then researching it should only further clarify and verify that he is real and exist .. would you not agree?
_Tens of millions of Christians around the world lost faith in the existence of God and become agnostics and atheists due to contradictions in the bible and the confusing doctrine of the trinity._
I am an ex-Jehovah's Witness. Joshua 10: 13 was the last straw for me. Strange, how we are expected to participate in wine and bread, typical of the Mediterranean climate. How come wine does not grow everywhere. As if this Christianity is just a marketing ploy to sell wine.
I watched this but I am only interested in my walk with god. I never went to church and never even had anyone tell me to go to church. I do care for others as I must and desire to do so. I have never put my faith in priests, pastors or humans. I have and do go to churches. It’s important to do so at times but only as my heart and what I think god would have or want me to do. Nothing more or less. I was driving a country road , I was not totally familiar with. I was going to meet a friend to fish a lake. I stopped at a small church that I did know…I do now but at that time, I did not. I opened the door and I have no idea why….nobody was inside and I just sat down. I sat for a half hour….no feelings, nothing. I decided to try and speak out loud to this supposed god. Nothing..but something told me, read the Bible. Ok……I started to do so a week later and have for many years. I belong to no….specific church but I do live for him and show his love. I have a peace and comfort I never had….I don’t listen to many other folks at all….my god is in the words, I read. I need no validation or confirmation. Everything I need or want is in the book I carry. I am sorry but it sounds like so many others that follow the big church factory…..you will get lost and lose yourself and your personal walk with god. Any judgment that we have will be between us and him. I am not going to be judged based on a pastor, or a priest, and what they did it’s about me and him. I wish you all the best. Love all of you. God bless you.
I haven’t really explained much about not believing it anymore. It has been too much of a thing for people to trust leaders and just wait. I finally figured out I don’t trust anyone, but I am a genuine caring person.
Been a skeptic since a child in Catholicism. Became a baptist in my 20s, because, you know, I just thought I wasn’t worshipping right and that’s why I couldn’t hear god’s voice. Well, I then started reading my Bible like they told me to and to believe it as the inerrant word of god, and I literally just couldn’t. Now I accept the fact I’m an atheist.
The missionary’s story resonated with me. Who can argue with a Bible translator who nearly loses his family just trying to share the gospel? As an electrical engineer, I’m part mathematician. If step 1 in a ten part proof is wrong. You stop. After 27 adult years in the church and study of Franceska Stavrakopoulou’s work, I now had a rationale as to how the Garden Story was metaphorical rather than historical. This was over and above evolution making it impossible. Once I got to that place of understanding, Jesus became a mute point. Who cares about the resurrection? We don’t need it. There is no original sin, right? I had all the pieces I needed in high school to construct this argument. However, I was afraid of being wrong. Pascal’s wager seemed to point to the only way out of the damnation trap. But, if you are lying and you don’t really believe, Christian dogma says you’re going to hell anyway. So, it’s not the magic escape clause I supposed. I can so relate to the interview subjects thus far (two hours into the vid.) It wasn’t so hard to replace the church community for me, as it may have been for the missionary/Bible translator. I had work, the gym and the social dance community. But, it was difficult.
well, you have dozens of Miriam Aparitions around the world. Some in this century, videotaped, and that proves paranormal exists. Lets analyze one encounter Zeitoun-Cairo (Egito) Mother of Jesus. Search in Google and you will see photos of this. And after investigations, there were no doubts it was from another world. Also per example Garabandal, Espanha. There were scientist to descredit the young ones, and they all became Christians. There was no doubt that they were talking with the Virgin Mary. The Bible was written by humans, but they were talking about something that happened ! The history didnt died 2000 years ago, i ve told you two episodes that are proof of what i said.
This is so helpful, to hear you guys talking about this. I went to an evangelical college,and then, in reaction, to the most liberal seminary I could find in my area, and then on to ministry in the Presbyterian and UCC churches. I burned out on ministry a few times, and finally got to the point where I knew I could not recite the Lord’s Prayer one more time, because I just couldn’t think of “God” as a Father, and couldn’t fathom what it meant for this god to be in heaven. I told my congregation, “I don’t believe in “Belief.” I could still follow the moral examples of Jesus and others who did the right things in the Bible. But, you know, I can also follow the examples of Nelson Mandela or Buddha or Florence Nightingale or Johnny Appleseed when they did the moral things. It was time to get out. It is not just my doubts about the Bible and theology that drove me out, but also the Bible and ecclesiology (study of the church itself) that made me leave. Rather than excusing congregational misbehaviour as “it’s a hospital for sinners,” I realized it’s a trainwreck that actually creates sin. Paul gives terrible leadership advice. The church of late antiquity and the medieval Church were based on Roman autocratic power structures. Authoritarianism is a terrible way to govern. I was a pastor, but I was not interested in leading in any authoritarian way. Yuck! Supposedly, Protestants got away from this, but any pastor will tell you that they’re treated like they’re “holier” than others. Many people in my churches put me on that damned ancient pedestal. I could see vestiges of this “pedestal” thinking in the way people treated me. I could see other pastors fall prey to the attitude toward their power that led to clergy sexual abuse, and the secrecy that surrounded it. This is an academic area the deconstruction movement has barely tapped.
Well said, also what has me is that the King James Version. Was revised by KJames himself and many other scholars from France Italy and so forth. They put in the fear stuff. So that the people would pay their taxes to the King! 🤷🏻♀️
You know that we have manuscripts that date much further back than the KJV. It is quite possible to determine where the scripture was either added to in order to support a particular political or ecclesiastical position or was interpreted to conform to the cultural norms of the moment. It is called textual criticism. @@tamtamm1743
Authoritarianism is a terrible way to govern. If nothing else, it usurps the authority of the Lord. But it is a temptation for many pastors because of the respect they receive from their congregations and because few in most congregations take up their responsibility to lead WITH the pastor.
@@tamtamm1743 The King James Bible was NOT revised by King James. "......47 scholars and theologians worked to translate the different books of the Bible: the Old Testament from Hebrew, the New Testament from Greek and the Apocrypha from Greek and Latin. Much of the resulting translation drew on the work of the Protestant reformer William Tyndale, who had produced the first New Testament translation from Greek into English in 1525 but was executed for heresy less than a decade later."
LOVE Matt Monger’s sharing of his experiencing. SO glad I tuned in to this. Thank you Matt. Thank you Derek, for your beautiful facilitations. Love to both your wives too. 💗
Interesting video. When I went to university, I was fully denying the Bible and Christ and talked about the same things (mid-1980s). I met a bonified Christian during that time and decided to explore spirituality. Having rejected Christianity, I majored in Biology with a History minor from a large research university with a great library. I read the Quran, Hindu Scriptures, Babylonian texts, Gnostic texts, and read historical Roman documents among other things. After having spent two years doing this, I decided it all paled compared to the Bible and started reading it for myself. I really did not want to be a Christian and was hung up on the pagan origins of holidays, the saints, and other historical traditions. I finally read the bible, especially John and realized how uniquely different the Bible is. I was especially impressed by the book of John to become a Christian. Best decision I ever made. So, it seems I came into it from the other side and after 35+ years, it was absolutely the difference in life. For me, I accept the Bible as fact based on all the evidence and based on reading other scriptures. It stands alone if you spend the time. I actually love these kind of well done videos. I will listen to anybody's spiritual story. Through the years, I have read the Bible cover to cover at least 10 times. I get a lot out of these deconstruction stories, especially the longer more honest conversations. If you have read the Bible through many times, you have connected many dots and you realize what is going on.
It takes courage to leave any religious cult, and they are all cults. In a way it is sad to find out that one’s religion is false. I know because I left Christianity at age 55. I feel free, but there are things I miss.
Perhaps I am at an advantage as I never had to leave anything. But I had a career that entailed a few times ensuring childrens human rights to religious observance was abided. I do tire of folk complaining about being a part of a church, mosque whatever. In a liberal democracy that was your personal choice and you could leave if you choose. It is also none of yours or my business who anyone else choose to led their lives or raise their family. Oh I forbid staff from using cult as it is use as provocative - alternative faith community sufficed. And it was always another faith community complaining about another religion. Churches are there own worst enemy - there is no need to worry about them
I have been in and out of Christianity since I was a young teen. I tried SO hard to be a"good Christian," but I could never get the questions out of my mind. They kept coming back over and over again. At age 70, I'm finally giving up. There are no reasonable answers to my questions because they don't exist. My family and friends are going to be pretty upset, but they are not in my mind. They are not living this hell that I have been in for 60 years. This is the most difficult journey I've ever started., and I need as much support from these online sites as possible since I only have one person irl that can help me. Thanks everyone.
I really appreciated Doctor Cargill. One of the most annoying aspects of SOME evangalists is how mean spirited and judgemental they are. The kindest people I know are those who respect and love others as they are.
10.5 hours? This is still going to be going when I wake up tomorrow? How are you putting this much material together. Seriously, you have the longest videos I have ever seen on RUclips. It's going to take me a week to watch all this.
@helencheung2537 If God didn't want evil in the World, maybe he should of not created the Devil. I'm not omniscient, but that's the way I would of handled it.
I remain a Christian. But now i love questions, am comfortable with not knowing and with conflicting ideas. But boy, have i dumped churchianity and my old interpretation of scriptures. Who ever said "love your enemies" was a genius. As far as i know, that was Jesus. Combine this with loving our neighbour as ourselves, stops all co dependency, cult mentalty and narcissism. The rest.. i am not so attached to.
It is painfully clear: the more you read for yourself and think through it yourself, the more you realize it’s completely stitched together and utterly mythology. It’s completely incomprehensible how the actual creator of the universe would not have a celestial bullhorn. If it requires “interpretation” it’s not real. Countless people have lawyered the Bible for their own interests and control over others. Unfortunately you need some distance to clear your head and shake the guilt implanted in your head.
So when you open a law book, or a medical book, you don't have to study and interpret the context, the excuses hell headed humans make to try an sound intelligent ,instead of just saying I hate God I reject His gift of eternal salvation, because I love my sins more.
@normandknowlesdmd It is a complete arrogance to expect God to use a bull horn to make mankind obey him and worship him. If God did not use a bull horn to make Adam and Eve obey him, why should God use a bull horn to force you to obey him. That is why, the same way Satan deceived Adam and Eve to disobey God, he has done the same to you because of your lack of fear of God. This is what has separated you from God and gives power to Satan to destroy your life. Because the lack of fear of God and devil worship is pain and suffering and death. You can not escape it by your sinfulness against God. You reap what you sow with God. Apostle.
The people who worship Satan in this did not need a bull horn from Satan before they are all worshipping Satan with so much passion. Why didn't you ask these people why they did not need a bull horn from Satan??? Do you know why. God revealed to me that the majority of mankind on earth are worshiping Satan. They did not need a bull horn. Wide is the way that leads to hell and to self destruction. Apostle
Really you keep Believing Your Bible. I will stick Honoring the Horned lord of the sun and The Radiant Lady Threefold Goddess of the moon. That is the Trinity of the Mother Maiden Crone. Not the Father Son and Holy Ghost which is made up and Not true.
Since birth, I struggled with frequent seizures. I followed into the footsteps of my parents who were very devout. When I was 10, my best friend died in a freak accident. My father, trying to console me, explained that it is the will of God and for the longest time I was very angry and lost my faith. I met my wife in college, and we got married. She came from a fundamentalist, evangelical family. We went on to graduate school and I was doing my PhD in one of the engineering fields and she was a teaching assistant. She got pregnant but we were told that the baby didn't develop a skull or a brain and will die upon birth. My wife refused to have an abortion and carried the baby full term. As expected, the baby died shortly after birth. My father-in-law told her that she passed with flying colors for not having an abortion. I was even more angry. Engineering is based on the laws of thermodynamics. The first, called the equation of continuity, is used for modeling and design purposes. Simply put, nothing can be created or destroyed. Energy and mass are interchangeable. The second law can be used to model and define life and death since humans are a bunch of chemical reactions. It predicts death but there is no resurrection. These 2 laws are used by atheists to prove that God doesn't exist. However, as an engineer I believe that the universe is a great piece of engineering and there is a supreme engineer who did it and created these laws. Of course, the Old Testament and the Gospels are man-made and defy science and all of our knowledge of history and archeology. In addition, organized religions have their own racist agenda, whether it is ISIS for Moslems, Zionism for Jews, or the evangelicals with their dogma. As a scientist, I rejected organized religion, but I still have deep faith in God. I have redefined my life accordingly. I don't need salvation through Christ or any other messiah to redeem myself. Redemption comes from making the worlds a better place for all.
Jesus of Christianity is not a Nature's God, Jesus of Christianity is a Supernatural Superhero, just like Superman, Spiderman, Luke Skywalker, all Supernatural Superheroes. So why can we write that Jesus is not a Nature's God and is a Supernatural Superhero, like other human created story characters? Analogy evidence. Why do we think that the stories of humans landing on the moon from 1969 to 1972 are true? Because of all the knowledge of flying by the Astronauts, Knowledge of orbital mechanics, rockets and space craft from Scientists and Engineers and all the money spent on it, and the companies to build all the stuff.
For Jesus to come back from the dead 3 days after dying, Jesus would have to have knowledge of blood, skin, the heart, lungs, digestion, immune systems, kidneys, etc.. Then Jesus to be moral would have to tell humans about natural ways to prevent illnesses and diseases. Does Jesus tell us the value of sanitation, cleanliness, sterilization, inoculation and medication? Then have knowledge of Chemistry, Organic Chemistry, Physics, etc.. Did Jesus tell us anything about that? Then if Jesus was a God who created everything, that Jesus would have to know Geology, Nuclear Star Fusion, Mathematics, etc. Does Jesus give us any idea that he would know about that? Then look at Jesus's economics. Having poor people give stuff to other poor people. Wouldn't a God know about creating wealth and making stuff? Jesus is just not a God. You could get away with it in the ancient age and the middle age, but the Christian scam just should not work in the modern age.
I think like you. Also the jump from not believing in Jesus to being an atheist is too big. To me both are so different, I believe Jesus brought a message but he is not God. I believe in God. If anything I think Islam gets it. Not believing in Christianity doesn’t make me an atheist because I believe in God.
Awesome compilation video. Thank you from a self-educated former Christian who now knows that one of the oldest agencies with mankind is the creation of gods.
Jewish Crimes from Time to Time.: The hatred and conspiracy of the Jewish Rabbis with Herod the Great King of the Jews, against the baby Jesus who was born in Bethlehem, ordered the execution of all boys aged two years and under in all of Bethlehem. (Matthew 2:16-18)…And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled (Luke 21:24). GOD HIMSELF HAS PUNISHED THE JEWS FOR THEIR SIN 1. Battle of Badr in Medina 2. Expulsion from Africa. 3.Holocaust in Germany Peace, Zionis Kristen
Jewish Crimes from Time to Time.: The hatred and conspiracy of the Jewish Rabbis with Herod the Great King of the Jews, against the baby Jesus who was born in Bethlehem, ordered the execution of all boys aged two years and under in all of Bethlehem. (Matthew 2:16-18)…And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled (Luke 21:24). GOD HIMSELF HAS PUNISHED THE JEWS FOR THEIR SIN 1. Battle of Badr in Medina 2. Expulsion from Africa. 3.Holocaust in Germany Peace, Zionis Kristen
….Jewish Lies. Why the Jews (Israel) for 3000 years have not been able to fulfill the prophecies of : # Ezekiel 37:21, # Isaiah 11:11-12, # Isaiah 43:5-6 ? # The Truth of Jesus: # Jesus Christ from infancy was prophesied by the High Priest Simeon in the Temple of God. Simeon said: 2:30.For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, 2:31.Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; 2:32.A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel. - (Luke 2:25-35). # Jesus fulfilled Jewish Scriptures (OT) 3000 years ago: # New Testament Prophecies: 2000 years ago: 1.Matthew 28:19-20 - (Forming the Believers) 2.Acts 1:8-(The Holy Spirit guides the believers) 3.Romans 11:26 - (Prophecy of the Apostle Paul) # The Turkish Islamic Ottomans who colonized Jerusalem and the Arab Islamic States for 400 years, surrendered to British troops on December 9, 1917. The Believers such as "Arthur James Balfour" created the famous "Balfour Declaration" to this day. This is a proposal letter to return Israel to their homeland in Palestine which they lost thousands of years ago. The British Congress unanimously ratified the Balfour Declaration on November 2, 1917, one month before the Ottoman surrender to British troops on December 9, 1917. We all believe that the "Holy Spirit" works within the believers, whether it is the "British Troops" or "Arthur James Balfour", they have carried out the fulfillment of the Old Testament Bible Prophecies for World Peace and the salvation of Israel. # Israel implemented its Declaration of Independence on May 14, 1948, one day before the British Mandate ended on May 15, 1948. # New Testament Books & The Believers Have Fulfilled the Prophecies of the Old Testament Books (Jewish Tanakh) Peace, Zionis Kristen
Just found your channel, better late than never. I have deconverted from Numbers genocides and churches promoting Trump. Thanks for showing up with such depth of thought and love of the truth.
Had some buddies involved in that hallelujah Christianity born again thing. I'm not 'saved' but still a believer in God. It's a work in progress. Some people just love telling other people what's 'right'. Funny ol world.
"Twenty-two years ago, I stood where I stand now - and watched my loved ones die, betrayed by those I had called friends. Vengeance clouded my mind. It would have consumed me, were it not for the wisdom of a few strangers, who taught me to look past my instincts. They never preached answers, but guided me to learn from myself. We don't need anyone to tell us what to do; not Savonarola, not the Medici. We are free to follow our own path. There are those who will take that freedom from us, and too many of you gladly give it. But it is our ability to choose - whatever you think is true - that makes us human... There is no book or teacher to give you the answers, to show you the path. Choose your own way! Do not follow me, or anyone else." - Ezio Auditore da Firence
@@chrismoore7365 I think a Christian Socialist ideal secretly terrifies me when I think it through. It's so filled with "rightness". Orwellian 1984 type murmurings at the mo'. I'd definitely not like to " .......live in interesting times." Quite like just 'plodding' about being ignorant.
Correlation is not causation. Similar stories doesnt mean christians outright stole the true life of jesus. Poor guy. Seeing things that r not really there. The afterlife is real.
@@cheesesteak983 I have no need nor desire to prove anything to you. But I'll offer this little gem: "Hell is being stuck with yourself. Heaven is being blessed with yourself." Of course... a person needs God to be truly blessed with themself. ;-)
Great video Derek. Sort of like several episodes of "Harmonic Atheist" all rolled into one video. This kind of thing does a lot to help people navigate a life away from faith or to navigate life to a different and better faith.
I was brought up a strong Christian, but later found out that most Christians were preaching about loving your enemies, but 80% of them were participating on war.. Worst was as grew older, I found out there was a Christian church sitting on our ancestors Tribal land.. I.said WTF is going on??
It’s exciting watching these shows on this topic. I began this journey when I was 30 years old. Iam 62 now. Back then it was never talked about. So after learning all of this new knowledge about the Old Testament and New Testament from world renowned scholars, from a historical point of view, I was so overjoyed! They answered all the questions I had in my head and then some. I don’t consider myself a Christian and I tell that to anyone that ask. It’s interesting how Christians never want to know more then that? At the end of the day, the stores in the Bible are just trying to motivate you to live a better life. Which is fine, but there only that, stories!
Academics and the academia cannot explain what happens what happens before and after death whereas the Bible does both. The Old and New testaments explain death as the departure of the spirit from the body so that there is life after death
Islam will be the next step for anyone who is not happy with what the Bible teaches as it's the only religion that believes in Jesus Christ without all the contradictions and confusion unconditionally.
Im a spiritual Christian. I expirence a relationship with God Father Son and Holy Spirit. I expirence the key scriptures personally. I tell people its not about church its not about church people or Christians. Its about personal relationship and experience with God Father Son and Holy Spirit and the Bible. Its True Spirituality not religion. Unfortunately some of the worst people are " Christians"
"True spiritually is not a religion". Depends how you define religion I guess. Personally, I think the whole evangelical "Christianity is a relationship, not a religion" is well-intentioned but false; Christianity is clearly a religion, and if God is real then of course it is a relationship, too. Why saddle a perfectly good word like "religion" with a definition of something like "empty works" or "religious legalism"? Just say that true Christianity is not merely a set of rules or rituals -- or something like that.
If the choice is between atheistic materialism on one hand, or believing that the bible is a perfect record of literal history on the other, then I'm stuck. Can't we just embrace the profound mystery of existence, including being absolutely fascinated with the bible and who the man Jesus might have been, without feeling like we HAVE to make a "life or death" decision? Sadly, Christianity has mostly been reduced to a memo of bullet points which the faithful are told they have to believe, whether it makes sense or not. What a petty God that is. If God is real, it has to be something greater than we can possibly wrap our minds around. Meister Eckhart said that "Existence is God."
You can still believe in God and be spiritual. A huge problem with mainstream Christianity is that it's dogmatic and judgemental. They are slowly becoming what Islam is.
While respecting these scholars for sharing their stories,. I cannot help feeling (as someone who has journeyed in the opposite direction) that websites such as this are increasingly resembling a fulfilment of the prophecy in 2 Timothy 4 v3.
Ditto Chris. Totally agree with you. Channels like this seem to have the main purpose of turning people off God, the bible and church. The great falling away as another chapter and verse said though I can't remember which one. Think it's Revelations. Just spent the whole weekend watching RUclips videos on the Gnostics and beginning and early history of the church and first Christians. The majority I could totally relate though I found some of it pretty wild but than I started getting angry and confused and what bit of faith I have fading. When I saw in the comment section that Dr. John Hamer, video I had been watching, had been a guest on this show I stopped watching because like I said shows like this exist only to turn people off Christianity and God. I saw people commenting on this video saying this should turn people off God and if it doesn't nothing will. This video showed up in my recommendations and I only clicked on it to see if it was really 9 hours. Not going to watch it.
It always struck me that people are afraid of living without a faith: how te be moral, how to find a purpose, compassion etc. I had a problem with believing in any kind of personal god since a little kid and since age of 13 or 15 I do not believe in any kind of god or superpowers governing and caring about us, humans. Saying so, I need to add that its hard to have bigger affirmation of life then I have. We live in most amazing universe, full of wonders and mysteries. We have all the tools for exploration and understanding: curiosity, resources, intelligence, consciousness, society. We have it all, so let's focus on learning about what we have around us and just admire how amazing all of this is: life, nature, cosmos, physics. You don't need to attribute this to some personal supernatural beings telling us what to do. We don't have anything to do, we are a space dust in scale of universe. Just make it comfortable for you and fellow humans to have conditions to admire this beauty in peace.
This video is over the top !! So awesome. I actually needed to see and hear this. I'm trying to get as much truth as possible, and I don't think Christianity is the key. Thank you, thank you
"Knowledge puffeth up but faith edifieth." " For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness” (I Corinthians 3:19).
Listening to the first speaker, Dr. Miller, for a while makes it clear to me, that the whole group of fallen away doctors who are put together here, have never been truly born again, they never experienced the Lord, but they just are co-runners with a lot of brain-knowledge, but without "recognizing" the Lord personally. And the nose-up way of speaking tells me all. That's the difference to a true Christian. The true Christian may even much less be able to explain theology, but he knows from the him-indwelling Holy Spirit that the Bible is true and Jesus God's Son and only Saviour of the world. "Knowledge" alone doesn't save you and gets you to nowhere.
I relate to Dr Bart Ehrman very much so particularly about his point of view regarding not having a 'closed mind' when it comes to honest and rigorous scholarship/findings that bear upon biblical belief systems. Reality is perceptual and thus highly nuanced by the psychological mind and emotional set that is peculiar to each individual. I hold that 'Christ Consciousness' is a wonderful 'thing' and does not obliterate any other deeply known grasp of the ineffable light that so often pertains those 'special' moments of insight or revelation any person might have, that is felt as glorious, wondrous, humbling, ennobling and a 'gift' that so often goes towards changing people in so many ways which often are described by such persons as being a 'life changing experience' even if others don't necessarily see that (but of course many a time they can ie their friend/kin comes across as happier, kinder, and 'different'.)
I gave up worshipping God and started worshipping nature and I've never felt better. Id also recommend meditation, journaling, and maybe even a little witchcraft for Dr Monger. Its how Im finding myself again. Heathens Greetings! 🎄
God's inspired Word through the apostle Paul warned of the dangers of sorcery/witchcraft. This, among many other things will lead to damnation. But God will forgive the repentant heart that trusts in Christ for salvation Galations 5 Now the works of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, moral impurity, promiscuity, idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambitions, dissensions, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and anything similar. I tell you about these things in advance-as I told you before-that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
The bible clearly says that deceivers will come with all knowledge of this world to deceive many to go against the truth of the gospel. Human knowledge is nothing compared to Gods knowledge.
Truth! God has made foolish the wisdom of this world. They dont even know the difference between a man and a woman any more. Lots of these will have had doubts due to wishing to practice unnatural sexual sins. It is their lusts carrying them away into unbelief and perdition
I am so glad to find MythVision as I have been in the process of deconstruction from evangelical fundamentalism for 3 years. I also have really appreciated this documentary. so good and helpful. question: any reason there is not a women in the list of theologians who you interviewed? I do not consider myself a feminist or really need it to be a women to listen to but it was a thought I had. Have you interviewed a deconstructed a female theologian in past? If so can you recommend the video. thanks again!
@@missypead2293 Graig? A used car sakesman telking us it took the Muslim Kalam to make ul an argument fir the muslim god so Graig uses it for the christian one. Amazing
I as an Indian, and what I know a bit about Indian, scriptures, always found it absurd to believe or accept that certain people believe the Biblical stories literally. There could be historical elements but down the line became myth. Find it equally absurd that one needed to a PhD to arrive at this conclusion.
I get this. The moment I let go of my Catholic indoctrination I started having fabulous connection moments like running with the Sun shining on me. Thank you!
@@topsuperseven7910 Not surprising, Catholicism retains a remnant of the earlier state religion of Rome, the cult of Sol Invictus, the worship of the invincible sun, along with a bit of even older pagan beliefs.
@@mirandahotspring4019 That doesn't make much sense. 'The Cult of Sol Invictus' shows up (weakly and oddly) as Christianity is becoming more established. Not sure what 'a little big of even older pagan beliefs' might mean but yes there were numerous "god of the sun" or demigods of the sun. The Sun is kind of a big deal. In Christianity, long before there was Greece, Rome or any Paganism they have God creating the Sun as a great light. it's a big deal. It's considered one of God (Jesus, the bible etc) one of HIs major life-giving creations for mankind. the Roman Catholics didn't enjoy 'Sol' and wrote and denounced certain things about it so it's weird you'd think the opposite and they'd somehow try and retain parts of it. What 'remnants' do you know of?
I grew up Anglican. My uncle was a minister, so I did the Sunday school thing and was confirmed. At the age of 13, in 1967, I died and had an NDE. I’ll summarize it as a region of light and intoxicating sound. There was a light being by my side as a guide, then the next moment I was back in my body. 12 years later I met that guide in the flesh and became an initiate. There is a passage in the gospel of John 9:5. Find that living poll, just like the disciples of Jesus did back then. Hint, no religion has the monopoly on that.
@@WoodstockG54 that doesnt sound like God to me... the Holy Spirit makes Jesus real to us... that sounds like you came face to face with a spirit in your NDE... who then guided you to a person and made you think it was from that light... scripture is there to protect us from this stuff.... we must have a relationship with the Jesus of the bible through the Holy Spirit...
JESUS LEFT HIS BODY LIKE AN NDE AND WENT TO GOD IN SPIRIT FORM AND COMBINIED HIS SPIRIT WITH THE FATHER AND SENT IT DOWN TO THE DISCIPLES.--- 1 Corinthians 2:16 For we have the mind of Christ.
I’m Hindu by birth. As I am getting older and older, I am learning that i just have to be a good human and follow the law of land. I don’t have to believe any form of religion. To be independent, I’m finding the independent from within has to come making life as simple as possible. I read bible, I read Hindu books, Buddhist Tripitak , Quran , etc., all these books are on my shelf- I see them they are not fighting. Interestingly, I see that these books are more fictional. Human beings create problem after reading these books in so many different ways- like war, crime, etc., forgetting humanity comes first.
I truly hope for healing and justice for those people hurt by the church leaders or members, and for people who have moved away from Jesus sometimes from the undeniable pains of life. I can relate. My life as a Christian has also been full of massive road bumps - not going to lie. I know most people here don’t need prayer - because well what help could they get from a god they see as pointless, even harmful, or just lost in the sea of possible truths. But I’m going to pray for you anyway. I admire the search for truth and rigour. And I greatly respect that trait when I see it in others - and in fact I believe we should only see interviews with scholars and researchers on tv every night on the news - to help make sense of the world - I even believe that such a revelation of the truths of history would help make us more peaceful than we’ve ever been. But here’s something I want to say to bridges these two ideas. Let’s say God has a heart to connect with everyone - and he wanted make his love clear and his connection accessible to all - not just to those who have an incredible desire for knowledge and wisdom (and truth) So in saying this - some of the people I’ve seen who are the most alive in Jesus and connect to him - are not intellectuals - and not necessarily the leaders in church or researchers but instead are people who sacrifice the comfort of what they had - to drop everything and serve the poorest, the sickest, the most ostracised and the most in danger. When I see these people that’s when I truly feel I’ve seen a glimpse of Gods goodness breathing life into people. I’ve come out of those places with such amazing hope and revitalisation that I found myself spiritually renewed. Unfortunately, historically can’t we really measure the spiritual impact of encounters with God on a persons life- Its so deeply personal and unquantifiable. But that just my minor thoughts. Much respect to all of you and praying for you health and happiness.
The idea there is "something" greater than ourselves is easy to argue as "true". The idea that this something is a "father"...having a beard, penis and XY chromosomes, had a child that needed to be killed to appease itself and "forgive humanity" is just stupid. If people mistake the awesomeness of life and transpose it to being loved and accepting a vicarious atonement for guilt is silly, if not perverse. Prayers are for the lazy. Good luck in contributing to a better world.
Didn't Jesus mention that in the last days belief in his teaching would diminish. Over and over we have heard people decry his word as if they had a deep desire to discredit him. Even so, those hitting ground zero in their emotional and physical health seem to find great comfort in knowing he died and was resurrected for them. It's a twist of scientific fate that by following the righteous word of our Deity, we support gravity better, and this helps us riddle out of the body crushing chaos that unrighteousness brings down upon us.
This is why i stopped believing. It’s the threats and forcing people to not question. It’s manipulation. Christianity is happy with keeping people ignorant, not question. Weren’t people killed by the church in the Middle Ages if they wanted to read the Bible. They wanted to feed us information and keep us ignorant which I believe is so contrary to what God is. God is real, Jesus worship is idolatry. Can someone please point out a verse where Jesus specifically asked to be worshiped, where he asked for a church for him, where he wanted us to stop believing in God and him instead. Jesus brought a message and it was never about him. These last few times I went to church I was so uncomfortable that all the workship songs were about Jesus, everything Jesus. Why have people forgotten about the father. That’s idolatry and it makes me uncomfortable
And promotes racism in some cases. Have you seen the grave stone of Scipio Africanus in Bristol UK? click images. At the end of the Day, Joshua also known as "Jesus" never created a religion called "Christianity". He was a jew and his followers are correctly called Nazarenes Acts 24:5 Named after him =Matthew 2:23. The faith is called THE WAY according to the N.T “The Way” is mentioned several times in the book of Acts (Acts 9:2; 19:9, 23; 22:4; 24:14, 22) in connection with early followers of Messiah It was to take prisoner men and women who “belonged to the Way” (Acts 9:2; 22:4) that Saul of Tarsus went to Damascus. After Saul was converted, he became a missionary and went by the name of Pau in the Gentile worldl. In Ephesus, Paul met some in the synagogue who “became obstinate; they refused to believe and publicly maligned the Way” (Acts 19:9). Paul left the synagogue and continued to preach the Message where it would be heard rather than remain with those who denigrated the Way. During his trial before Felix, Paul said, “I admit that I worship the God of our ancestors as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect” (Acts 24:14). We are also told that Felix knew about the Way (verse 22). It seems that the Romans considered the Way to be a sect of Judaism rather than a separate religion. The way 1st century jewish sect open to everybody Jew and non jew= Acts 212:21-25. so called "Christianity" on the other hand took (Joshua/Jesus) and made their religion called christianity which went out and slaved millions of africans in the Atlantic slave trade and killed many jews in crusades and pogroms. A well documented pogrom was the York pogrom in the United Kingdom. Joshua/Jesus is the truth but Christianity isn't. There wasn't no "church buildings" until the 4th century. Jewish believers met in Synagogues read the book of Jacob who they renamed to "James". James 2:2 direct from Greek the word is synagogue.
Have watched Robert Cargill for many years and it’s really great seeing him on MythVision with you Derek Lambert. All of your speakers are fabulous and very much appreciated. Thank you for the awesome work you do!
Jewish Crimes from Time to Time.: The hatred and conspiracy of the Jewish Rabbis with Herod the Great King of the Jews, against the baby Jesus who was born in Bethlehem, ordered the execution of all boys aged two years and under in all of Bethlehem. (Matthew 2:16-18)…And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled (Luke 21:24). GOD HIMSELF HAS PUNISHED THE JEWS FOR THEIR SIN 1. Battle of Badr in Medina 2. Expulsion from Africa. 3.Holocaust in Germany Peace, Zionis Kristen
I am getting to old. I can't watch his shows because I lose my attention and drift away from shows around 2 hours long or more. I wish he had a editor that can be a overall summary of the shows that are long. After saying this, My congratulations for his hard work and his life's purpose to find truth on a subject that involves all of us.
Trump was elected president a few days ago. I was already suffering PTSD due to the death of my daughter a few years ago but, this election has been a huge setback. I am done with life. Coming across these interviews (which I heard in their original format) has been very helpful. They are inspiring and uplifting in ways religion never was in my 60 years of being a believer. Knowing there are intelligent, critical thinkers who have freed themselves from cult thinking gives me hope for the future. Hoping they can save us from full on Idiocracy. Thank you Derek - you are changing and saving lives. ❤️
As a former minister for over 30 years in a very well known Nondenominational (aka, Pentecostal) church, I implore all my BORN AGAIN BROTHERS AND SISTERS -- please don't be afraid of questions. Please don't be afraid to ask questions. When I was a committed Born Again Christian, although I was in err, I was only doing the best I could. But then I started to ask questions. So I encourage all my Christian brothers and sisters, do not tire of asking questions. For no being can ever do any better than it knows. The more you know, the better you can do. And to know more, you must question more. But please allow yourself the gift of asking questions. And there are no wrong or bad questions... “The only thing that can be loved, it is the truth. The only thing that can love the truth, it is love. There is nothing else with which you can love the truth. You cannot have any idea of the truth, if you do not love. You will have an idea of the truth only if you love it.” Adonai…
The same way SCHOLARS in general LEAVE, they also RETURN - and there are others who join as a "new" believers. Many scientists doctors professors, all walks of life, etc... A nice youtube video testifying of their visions and opinions why they decide to become Christians or re-join their faith would be awesome as well.
I am a self studied Bible student ,my child hood life was horrific to say rhe least full of abuse by parents and relatives ,Father left when I was 4 mother married her bother in law that beat me almost every day rab away at 12 was brought back to them ran away or left at 18 .was an athiest even though was baptised as a Chathic. Studied Aristole ,plato,all phylosphi on my own for years ,Found Christ in Jail,studied harder then any scholar,could ,was kicked out with my family more than adozen times by all major Churches for being arguementive ,today i teach simble bible study to Inmates and Love seeing God use me to pray for them and speak for them too.Concluded that all acadamia teach doctrines of devils .Miller is right Satan speaks through "mtyhology and Legends "Isa 19:3 Ps 58:5 not God.Shalom.e.m and I love my bible best book of wisdom ever! I am 62yrs old fyi.
I feel fortunate that i lost my faith after a single year, on the day of my baptism, because three church started praying for every other denomination under the sun. I thought we were all Christians but at that point realized the lie. It's about control.
@@Plethorality praying for them because "they are wrong and going to hell" even though they believe in the same god. The same god who, so they told me, just needed to be accepted as your savior.
Proof that critical thinking skills will turn any evangelical into leaving it all behind. Facts and logic win in the end. What took you all so long? I left the Catholic Church in the 80's as a teen.
Excellent program ! The honesty and integrity of these former bible believers and their courage to COME OUT of their beliefs in these bronze / iron age myths , stories and shaman invented stories endeavoring to explain mysterious phenomena which our sciences how explained coherently ! Breaking the spell of these nonsensical beliefs is difficult but these interviews are a good start in that direction !
Hmm methinks you give too much credence to what people say because their statements agree with your position. A man can call himself a scholar, but if he spends a lifetime twisting the meanings of the things he studies to reflect his own personal biases, I would be hard pressed to call then honest. They weren't even honest with themselves. I'm growing weary of all of these conversion videos, either converting to/from faith or to/from catholicism / protestantism. All with the express intent of influencing people's decision making. None of it can be thought of as genuine. It's all putting on a show for the audience. I have better things to do with the next 10.5 hours of my life. It's easy to convince yourself to believe/disbelieve anything if it justifies your choices, even if superficially.
That's not going to fly on judgement day. Romans 1 For God’s wrath is revealed from heaven against all godlessness and unrighteousness of people who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth, since what can be known about God is evident among them, because God has shown it to them. For His invisible attributes, that is, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen since the creation of the world, being understood through what He has made. As a result, people are without excuse.
@@davissalaki8703 If you arent poor you go to hell says Jesus. “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He has anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor.” (Luke 4:18
My wife wanted to be married in a "church" so she chose the Greek Orthodox church. We started attending and right away i was struck with what was going on during the "services". I was raised a protestant Christen. I was never exposed to Catholic (Orthodox) teachings and ritual. So i was taken back with all the ritualistic pomp and ritual integrated into the weekly service. In the Orthodox system, it is VERY ritualistic and repeditive playing out rituals handed down over many centuries . I came to the following conclusion: 1)... The Orthodox church is a Pauline creation interwoven with pegan rituals the "Gentile" converts centuries ago practiced when worshiping their god or gods. 2)... In the past, most lay people could not read ir had access to the Biblical scrolls. So they relied on the "father" or priest to tell them scriptural "truth" and reverance for the scriptures and what it contains. 3)... The rituals gave the ignorant congrogation of former pegans a sence of worship and reverance while at the same time being spoon fed small snippets of selected portions of scripture. Back in the day, this ceremonial "worship"was common in pegan temples of worship where the priest had the rare literacy skills to read the "sacred texts" and interprit them for the illiterate masses. 4)... Today, what was once only accessable to the initiated or literate is available to all. So, all these rituilistic traditions of centuries past is unnecessary. There is a reason why at one time the church outlawed the possession and reading of the Bible outside the clergy class. This video and several other Biblical scholorly study videos, books and research volumes based on history and research expose the truth so long hidden (on purpose) to the lay person. "You will know the truth and the truth shal set you free".
I am not a scholar but i left x-tianity. I did not leave out of haste. I was a preacher. I saw a lot of hate among me members be so hateful towards each other but during g the service they acted like nothing was wrong. I stayed in x-tianity for about 10 to 15 years. I did my own research and looked within my self. As of late the mega churches really has pushed me away and all the hypocrisy in religion.
The word God in Hebrew is Elohim, its plural, it means gods. The "gods" were the stars. So Genesis 1:1 should be read as "In the beginning the stars created the heaven and the earth" Which makes more sense.
@@LogicStandsBeforeGod according to hadith al bukhari Muhammed had intercourse with a 9 year old child when he was 54 years old. Clearly man made religion.
Man what a great session. Dr Monger, Derek is so right- you can make such a difference with your education. I can see you becoming the next Matt Dillahunty. You have the education/credentials and so you have that historical knowledge to educate and free people of ignorance. You and Derek are good dudes doing good work.
I previously commented on my atheism, which is neo-atheism actually. Now that I've grown for 5 decades I find the misogyny of the Bible to be affecting me with overwhelming broken heart. The note of how deep cutting it is in everyday life is shocking. I have to come to grips with my own attitude for so long, which didn't notice, so I couldn't care. I feel disgusted now, with my younger self, and the world around me. Simple attitudes permeate our culture with this disgusting moral being in play. Women, in the bible, are simply property. You are not a man if you give your entire love to a woman says the book. The "loving" god these people keep talking about? It's not there, it is evil if anything, but the love is not there, sorry. Gr8! Peace ☮💜Love
It is also trauma to try to pretend you are a believer so you don’t disappoint your family and friends. Have done it for many years, and really struggling with it, . I knew at the age of 5 when I lost my faith, but didn’t tell. It was when my older brother started making fun of me for believing in Santa clause. After that I started doubting a lot of the stuff my loving folks told me.
Loving folks who messed up with Santa i did the same with my daughter unfortunately. You must be born again. You cannot force yourself to believe or just pretend. Your situation is not good you need the Holy Spirit.
I’ve been listening to this over the course of a week and I have to say, you guys are incredible! You hit so many points that I’ve struggled with and I loved seeing how different everyone’s stories were from each other! Great video, love your work! 👏
Jewish Crimes from Time to Time.: The hatred and conspiracy of the Jewish Rabbis with Herod the Great King of the Jews, against the baby Jesus who was born in Bethlehem, ordered the execution of all boys aged two years and under in all of Bethlehem. (Matthew 2:16-18)…And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled (Luke 21:24). GOD HIMSELF HAS PUNISHED THE JEWS FOR THEIR SIN 1. Battle of Badr in Medina 2. Expulsion from Africa. 3.Holocaust in Germany Peace, Zionis Kristen
@ronaldlindeman6136 wrong. I had an encounter with Him in Spirit. After He woke me up stripped me of sin, healed me physically, and changed my mind and heart. That is not emotional. That is spiritual and physical.
@@Truthseed313 People from the Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, etc., all say the same thing happened during their Religious experience. People who used to be Christian and now don't think Christianity is true will tell you those are human emotions they were feeling and not from some God, once they figured it out.
@@Truthseed313 Yes, I did. I went from being an atheist and not believing in God and then one day God showed me that everything I thought I knew, was wrong. I then spent the next 5 years walking around shaking as He showed me things that I did not believe in. It has been an amazing 32 odd years and I know where I am standing. On the Rock. The parable of the sower Matt 13:3-9.
I was told in my evangelical “full-gospel” church growing up to never study religion in university or it will kill your faith. I studied theology and it led me to leave the church too. If I have to remain ignorant to believe then there’s a huge problem with the religion. It was the history of the Bible that did it for me.
Yes and the fact that religion will lie to hide the true history.
Strange how SHALLOW the reasons for LEAVING are. How full of PRIDE and missing the key point of the 12 tribes and Passover, literally not even trying to SEE THE PURPOSE OF GOD.
@newestengineer @newestengineer Yes lying is a very shallow reason. There are far more positive rituals one could engage in other than one that celebrates the slaughtering of first born childeren unless you happen to put the blood of a slaughtered lamb on your door.
Religion thrives on ignorance.
@@AI_Flight_Engineer It's probably not a good idea to undermine another person's spirituality or to assume their experiences weren't as genuine as your own. I'm saying this as someone who has done that and looked back in regret as my own reality changed.
I'm an 80 year old man. My church life began when I was a child. Through the years I've attended more than one denomination and non-denominational church. I have pursued religious teachings and also studied the bible academically. I've been exposed to the things that you and your guests talk about, including errors, inconsistencies, and contradictions. I also have abandoned organized religion. But, and here's the big BUT, I have not done it due to rebellion or a feeling of betrayal. I have done it because I feel I have attained a spiritual relationship to a higher power. It seems to me that you and your guests have a common thread. All have turned to academia as a justification for abandoning not only organized religion, but also the idea of a God/creator. My position is; doing one does not have to equate to the other. I would recommend seeking a very personal spiritual relationship with a creator. Stop allowing RELIGION to get in your way. Let organized religion go by the wayside. You don't have to throw out the baby with the bath water.
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I am almost your age, sir. I do believe that religion has nothing to do with salvation.
It is your personal relationship with Jesus that will save you.
However, God gave us free will so we can believe what we want.
You're right, William, but since most people have no conscience - since most are liars - since most care far too much about their ego and their sense of superiority - while truth is not even a blip on their radar - we have a world of the insane.
You are right that "religion" and the fake churches and fake preachers are deceiving those that have no conscience - Jesus said, "They have their reward" because they were attempting to impress others instead of caring for the poor and the sick.
Jesus referred to the swine - which are the greedy pigs - that want more for themselves instead of giving and sharing and helping others.
Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life."
You can't get to the truth with lies - which is what these insane "scholars" attempt to do.
Thank you for your comment.
Sounds like you were happy to throw the baby out, but are still addicted to the bath water!
Born again atheist. Left the faith after 25 years of being a devout Baptist. To each their own, but life is much better, and my appreciation for the world around me has deepened since i left the faith.
Your life is not better, keep gaslighting yourself.
People, and most Christians, operate, as Paul mentioned in Romans 12, “according to the pattern of this world,” which is to interpret everything through the mind, which is governed by the “desires of the heart,” which is filled with a drug-like substance called “the cares and worries of this life and deceitfulness of wealth.”
How have you left the "faith" when perhaps you never had it? When you have faith, it does not matter whether it is through religion or science because FAITH cannot be gained through logic. When you exhaust the logic, then you just sit quietly and look at the petals of the flower. No need to dissect it. Faith and belief are not the same and are not mutually exclusive. It comes down to this, either know IT or do not know IT.
I left the Baptist church that I grew up in, when my baby was two weeks old. I walked into church like my mom and dad did with me and my siblings, but I was stopped at the door with my baby boy and told he couldn’t come in because he would make noise and they were broadcast on the radio. It broke my heart, and me. I could walk out my door and it was next door. I left the church after trying one other small church but it was a fire a brimstone preaching. I left‼️ Now my home, car, outside is my church, my garden is where I found my peace again.
Blah blah You're fake
@@jesusisunstoppable4438 Jesus sis the fake. Try explaining this Mr unstoppable.
Luke 9
28 Now about eight days after these sayings Jesus took with him Peter and John and James, and went up on the mountain to pray. 29 And while he was praying, the appearance of his face changed, and his clothes became dazzling white. 30 Suddenly they saw two men, Moses and Elijah, talking to him.
*Wouldn't an omnipotent, omniscient omnipresent god know Moses is a myth*
So Jesus had a seance with his imaginary friend? And that is what you believe.
Moses has been proven to be a myth by mountains of evidence that shows the Israelites were just another Canaanite tribe that rose to the top after the bronze age collapse. That was the 10th century *BCE*
Not a shred of evidence has ever been found support Exodus or Moses or Joshua.
Hi Janet, go check out Dr ralph yankee Arnold best preacher of the simple gospel, God Bless robert.
This is absolutely tragic….What a horrible way to learn that the church cares more about its image and success than its sole purpose…..
@andrewharper1609so you are a spokesperson for gawd ? God said this Jesus said that .... I guess gawd can't speak for himself and needs vile flawed humans to twist things around for him , gawd really needs to stand up for himself 😂
I spent twenty five years in a Pentacostal oriented, non denominational church of 4000 people, 20 satellite churches worldwide, radio and television ministries, a grade school through high school campus, a college. I spent six years studying Theology full time.
I've kind of seen it all. I've seen guys like your first guest passionate about his faith, legalistic with his family, go through divorce, blame himself and his religion, walk away only to, say, 20 years later, come back to the faith saying "I was wrong. I was not completely honest with myself and everyone else because, deep inside, I knew that God was real".
The one evidence I can't dispute is experiential evidence. I can argue internal evidence all day long, showing alleged contradictions, manuscript variances, contextual misinterpretation, etc. I can argue external evidences all day long. The walls of Jericho, the ark in Turkey, carbon dating, etc.
I've learned it all, the pros, the cons, the in between. But one evidence I can never dispute is the evidence I've experienced in my own life. He can't dispute it either, which is why, like some other's I've seen, come back to the faith.
I could list all of the things I've experienced and witnessed first hand.
But I'm not here to argue. I'm sharing my own experience. I cannot leave the one I know. I happen to love Him.❤
How do you know God is a male?
@@shaydesofblue2281 I don't. It's called a manner of language.
@rcchristian2 I've studied tons of science, as well. As all things in the world of science there is supporting evidence on both and all sides. It essentially comes down to what evidence one wants to believe in. Both are acts of faith, ultimately.
Creation theory or the theory of evolution.
Contradiction or no contradictions. There are arguments on all sides.
Now many, due to circular reasoning will say "evolution has been proven" but that's simply not true. Creation has not been proven either. I met Richard Leaky and his band of faithful followers. They all had certain preconceived ideas and there was no way they would ever consider anything else..until, of course, some things were found to be incorrect.
That happens all the time in science and religion. We are circular reasoning beings and we can't seem to help ourselves.
I could easily gather scholars to dispute ten hours worth of arguments against Christianity. Both sides would have excellent points but in the end, it comes down to experience for pretty much everyone. Faith.
What is experiential evidence? 🤔
@@АртурИванов-ч9э Experiential evidence refers to information or knowledge gained through direct personal experience or observation rather than through theoretical or secondhand sources. It relies on firsthand encounters, perceptions, and lived experiences as a basis for understanding or forming beliefs about a particular subject.
I'm 80. I went to seminary for 3 years. I'm an atheist now. Religion was a first attempt to explain things without the scientific method. As people got smarter and learned the scientific method they changed their religious radicalism. People need something to soothe their emotional injuries etc. They make things up and get rigidified.
LOL. The Scientific Method came through me of faith.
True science, ie. "Factual evidence" cannot be argued against.
However, the interpretation of said facts is a different story.
Fact: Dinosaurs existed.
Opinion: Dinosaurs went extinct millions of years ago, before humans existed.
Fact: The Bible describes dinosaurs (the Behemoth and the Leviathan) as living creatures against whom spears and other human weapons were ineffective. The Bible warns people not to try attacking them. The Bible describes what they ate, where they lived, what their tracks look like on land and passing through water, how their tail swayed like a cedar, the impenetrableness of their tough hide and armored plates, their habits, etc, etc.
The Biblical accounts of dinosaurs sound an awful lot like scientific observation, don't they?
When God said, "Let there be light", I am quite certain there was an explosion (or "Big Bang" - to borrow the phrase) . Energy went out from God (His voice), in the form of vibration. Vibration is the only thing that everything in the Universe has in common and part of the electro-magnetic spectrum. As this energy slowed to the speed of light, entering the Finite Realm, it first appeared all as light, which was the first thing God created, saying, "Let there be light."
As it slowed further, it would have diversified into the full electromagnetic spectrum, then condensing into solid objects like galaxies, stars, planets, etc.
My theory is based on the inverse of Einstein's E=mc2 equation. Solve the equation for mass and it shows how to take pure energy and create mass. m=E/c2 (mass equals Energy divided by the speed of light squared). To create the Universe, it would take nearly an infinite amount of energy.
Imagine the reverse of a nuclear bomb. Instead of turning plutonium into various forms of energy like heat, light, sound and radiation, these same things, which diversified from God's infinite vocal-sound-vibration combined to form solid objects which make up our Universe.
There is no other cohesive explanation that could explain where this nearly infinite amount of energy could originate. Dark matter or anti-matter are foolish postulations. They simply credit matter and energy with all the same attributes as God, except for intelligence, which is critical to the creation of a complex system capable of life. Not only is DNA complex, but also the entire environment to support life is tremendously complex. Complexity to support complexity does not happen by chance.
Stephen Hawking's explanation requires people to ignore the Law of the conservation of mass and energy. My theory, however, agrees with it.
So, God, the source of infinite power, who is an intelligent designer, is completely necessary to the creation of the Universe.
This is my theory, I have published it previously, it may be shared only in it's entirety with full attribution: copyright David Willhite, 2023
@@davidwillhite421 Yeah, no. And furthermore, Nah-weh didn't do it. Was there some dude watching the eternal dude and writing it all down? Or is it more likely that it is a story stemming from the sun baked brain of somebody illiterate in the desert doing an metaphor of the sun rising? And just so you know, atheists and scientists are not saying we came from nothing. That is what theists are saying happened. Literally...we came from nothing and god was nothing until he did something. It is absurd and doesn't explain anything at all.
Read the Quran my friend .
I have gone through a similar Journey to what these scholars are going through. Also arrived at many of the same conclusions. I am 82 years old. Born in 1941. My background was fundamental also but self-imposed fundamentalism. I sought it out. When I was 13 years old I was watching a Billy Graham Crusade on TV and when he made the alter call I said to myself these people walking down the aisle are going to be doing the same thing on Monday they were doing on Friday. This is not real! (The Crusade broadcast was on a Sunday.) Immediately after thinking that the little TV room I was in was filled with a Light that was/is indescribable. I can only describe it as pure warmth and love. A kind of Love that could never be described in human words. That is the experience that put me on a course of life-long seeking. It is as real to me in 2023 as it was in 1953. I never believed in speaking in tongues but 30 years later I was watching a TBN Broadcast and a group of pastors on stage broke into tongues. I said to myself, "OK God I don't believe in tongues but I don't think these men are faking speaking in them." Instantly I began to speak in them. They just bubbled up from deep within me. I said all that to say this. No matter how deeply we delve into the history and scholastics of Christianity there is something out there that is as real as the cutting of the umbilical cord that happened to each one of us. I am a poet and I have never been able to describe my Light Experience except to say it must almost be the same as Paul's Light Experience on the way to Damascus. I doubt anyone ever reads these comments but if they do I would like to say to them maybe we have this Christianity thing all wrong. but there is something we know little about going on and it is supernatural. I don't have the answers. No human being has the answers.
I can identify with the indescribable light. It set me on long spiritual journey that led to jesus's sacrifice on the cross. my journey with Christ continues.
I did friend. May God bless and keep you.
Although I also have many logical reasons for a belief in God and faith in Christ, experience can also be a powerful thing
Thanks for your honesty
Intellectually, at the age of 57, I’m discovering so much more about the history of early Christianity that does make me doubt the validity of the religion. And yet I’ve had so many experiences with God that I still feel a relationship and an instinct to pray. “There’s more between heaven and earth than is dreamed of in your philosophy, Horacio.”
Thank you so much for your comments. I love the way you expressed this, “Maybe we have this Christianity thing all wrong, but there is something we know little about going on and it is supernatural. I don’t have the answers. No human being has the answers.”
I am 57 and have been on a long journey. I never bought into the literalist interpretation of scripture and I think now that evangelicalism is cultic. Then recently I became very disillusioned with my local church because of the way they treated gay people who were close to me.
I have learned so much since then about the literary history of the Bible and the history of the church and I am drawing the same conclusions as yourself.
I’ve just had so many supernatural experiences, especially of the tangible sense of the Presence, in meditation, in ‘thin places’, in nature, etc, that I know that “there is more between heaven and hell than is dreamed of i your philosophy, Horacio.”
I feel more and more that there’s a wonderful mystery at the core of reality Who is operating for our good and can be encountered in stillness, in nature, through conversation with people, through poetry and art and even at times through the the more inspired parts of scripture.
At the moment I am finding the teachings of Fr Richard Rohr very helpful. He has written many books and there’s a wealth of his teachings on RUclips and his organisation, Centre for Action and Contemplation are worth subscribing to.
cac.org/daily-meditations/going-somewhere-good/
So sorry, Derek, that your chat is full of such closed-minded folks.
Your work is so important, providing a space for these fearless seekers of the honest truth.
At 70 it is what I wished for when I was asking the forbidden questions.
Thank you, again. Watching and Listening from Alaska.
You 70 close to death. You should seek the lord Jesus Christ while you still alive! Just Saying..
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Thank you but no thanks.
I'm content to have left fear behind.
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You're quoting Lewis at me? The Screwtape Letters? Seriously?
What the purpose of life for you? What's the difference between you and a non living object like a chair? You truly believe we are going to die and that's it? You will find out the hard way. I'm not saying that to threaten but to warn you. Jesus is coming back soon!
@@Observation-ch9hc Jesus must think a generation is a couple of thousand years long. That my gullible believer, is a FAILED prophecy by non other than the man himself. But I always heard it spun to not say what he said. Obviously, you fell for the lie about that one.
Yes , sooner or later , once one realizes that ones faith is based on bronze / iron age myths , fables and superstitions invented by ignorant shamans, rabbis and priests it's pretty hard to stay committed to nonsense ! The wake up pill is hard to swallow !
It's modern humans who are ignorant. It's like calling JK Rowling ignorant.
She rights a brilliant book depicting the "heroes journey" containing life lessons.
Is she ignorant if someone comes along 3000 years later and takes it as fact? 🤦
@HoniTheCircleMaker13 No. In principle, JKR is not ignorant. But 3,000 years from now, I hope that if Harry Potter has replace Jesus, then there is a record of the TRUTH, that JKR was an author of fictional stories with a moral component, not a sage with a direct hotline to the creator of the universe, and that Harry Potter was not the son of that creator.
In other words, I hope the future contains the TRUTH, stemming the human tendency to seek heroes and promote them to ridiculous heights on no basis whatsoever, as has been done with Christianity, where some guy in a small Jewish sect ends up being promoted by a Roman citizen with an agenda (St Paul), and by those who followed in the next few centuries, to be the virgin-birthed only son of the creator of a universe of countless trillions of stars (not known at the time, but promoted repeatedly as our knowledge of the universe led us to realise its immense spatial and temporal scale).
@@HoniTheCircleMaker13 Or Aesop's fables, or a book of proverbs from around the world. It only has limited value, all of it. The best thing to do is do your best, treat humans with kindness, and think with your head, see with your eyes, and hear with your ears. You don't need special mana or pie in the sky things. Most of it, if not all of it, is just vanity and self entertainment.
At this moment "liberalism" is a problem not religion.
Arguing with atheists who are 99.9 % liberal is exactly like arguing with xtians!
Both get rabidly violent
Both can't present evidence
Both rely on strawman nonsense
Both love ad hom
Both argue from authority
And both have IQ s of doorknob
At this moment "liberalism" is a problem not religion.
Arguing with atheists who are 99.9 % liberal is exactly like arguing with xtians!
Both get rabidly violent
Both can't present evidence
Both rely on strawman nonsense
Both love ad hom
Both argue from authority
And both have IQ s of doorknobs
You are all on the right path. Free at last! Let us all rejoice!!! More power to u Derek and to your guests!!!
I wonder when will Christian understand this. We've been duped by the churches and pastors. Thank you for this great and very helpful story.
I became a ChristIan at he age of 30 after a spiritual journey in which no pastor or church was involved. My faith was, and still is, between myself and God.
NO one was called to follow a pastor nor a church BUT CHRIST alone. Once you lay down your life you will receive his life and you are made able to see and walk the way. Men earthly wisdom get on the way of God Heavenly wisdom. You can't even begin to compare these 2.
Most of the pastors and churches are garbage....most people don't take the time to understand ...it is a weekly event at best
As Christian I’ve never been duped. It is my belief in Jesus that made me strong !!!!
@@ChrisSmith-xh9wb Good thing you were born in the correct country, under the correct god. Amazing!!!
Watching Dr. Matt's part ending right now. I love seeing good people doing good things. Great work Derek! You are such a wonderful, kind person!
I am so enjoying this discussion, and looking forward to moving through these interviews. What a gift, thank you.
As an ex-Christian for 15 years now, I can honestly say that the joy and liberation I felt as an atheist eventually drifted away and I had nothing else to really fall back on besides philosophy. But I am now a Buddhist of 3 years and living a much happier life than I ever did before. So I sincerely hope everyone here finds something that works for them as well and I encourage you all to never give up on yourself or your spirituality. 🙏
You substituted Christ and the Living God for an idol. May God help you to recognize that you're lost and turn back to Him.
@@paulslaveofjesuschrist9939 I believe in the living god of the universe that breathes through us all, just not a personal one. However, I believe I can know this god personally through myself and through you. So I see your intentions as pure and you just want to help and I thank you for that. But what exactly about my message is telling you that I am lost?
@@ShdwftheSuN Forgive me for butting in on this conversation, but I just want to say that I was once where you are now. I knew I was lost when God came and found me and opened my eyes to see that I could never be fully one with God without the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
I think the orginal post is interesting and happens to many people. Fascinating how humans need to CHANGE constantly to move forward and feel connected in all various manners of life. Best wishes to you!
@@n.c.1201 Thanks and right back at you!
I knew a man who was the reverend who ended up becoming a pastor.
He loved studying the Bible and believed it intensely so he decided he would get his PhD. which he did achieve but it changed his perspective.
I noticed it had changed him and asked him why.
He told me that out of 50 students who were in his class at University only three finished their studying and earned their phd.
He also said many of the students who didn't finish had giving up Christianity.
It's definitely one of the reasons I decided to look but my intention wasn't to give up my Faith.
When I did it really hurt but slowly over time my mental stability became better and now I wish I had started the journey sooner.
True Christians don't need PhDs or higher education - in the first century Jesus exposed the Jewish religious leaders and all those who had attended the Rabbinical schools of higher education - their qualifications were redundant - they had no spiritual understanding.
Same goes for today - the clergy of Christendom are corrupt all the way up through the ranks from vicar to priest and bishop to pope.
Jesus' disciples were viewed as ordinary men and 'unlettered' - they had not attended the Rabbinical schools, yet they had been educated by the 'fine teacher' Jesus Christ whose knowledge came directly from knowing his Father.
At Matthew 24:45 Jesus referred to the 'faithful and discreet slave' - this is the governing body of Christian elders that directs the preaching work - the true vine that Jesus referred to in John chapter 15.
Anyone who claims to be a Christian and yet does not make 'public declaration' (Romans 10:10), is deceiving themselves - they are not part of the true vine led by holy spirit.
Anyone who relies on 'higher' secular education and goes to 'theological' school to become qualified .. it's a waste of time.
@@Chris_Sheridan for some reason you apparently think there's something wrong with higher education.
Do you think it's wrong to learn about the history of your own culture or belief system, if so why?
I think it's good to learn from history so the same mistakes from the past are not repeated.
Do you prefer to just think you are justified in your beliefs enough to possibly repeat the same mistake?
I try to be very careful and educate myself as much as possible, a willingness to learn is to gain more knowledge.
Also why are quoting The Bible to me?
@@Chris_Sheridan You completely missed the point that Christ made when he argued with Jewish religious leaders.
The point he made account for today's Christianity too.
People are falling away from faith because churches are soulless and only care about their hierarchy, rituals, money, power, control, prestige and good looks.
All of this is consequence of Catholic church destroying gnostics(who didn't cared for hierarchy nor power), abusing the name of Christ, any book or literature that doesn't align with their view which brought the dark age in Europe.
Nothing that Christ spoke of was meant for education.
@@Defectivegg .. in your amazing ignorance you have missed the observation that bible scholars worldwide acknowledge that Jesus Christ was the greatest teacher of lessons in life - no other historical figure has influenced today's calendar year (2024) to the times of anyone else's achievements, except for that one person - the Son of God.
@@Chris_Sheridan You mention that education is wrong and now saying how scholars around the world acknowledge Christ.
Those scholars got their Phd from universities which means they had to educate themselves. And don't say that those universities aren't secular because Jewish rabbis probably didn't went to have education about their faith in Rome. That's my two cents on the matter.
I am a fan of long videos. RUclips saves your spot. And there are show notes. I particularly like the long form for this discussion because it takes
Not only hours but years to recover from undue influence!
So happy all of you are free of theocracy!
I find it interesting that someone in a Masters or PhD program (even in a theological institute) would not have studied the development of the Hellenistic period, as well as Greek and Roman mythology, world religions, etc., at the undergrad level. This is why Humanities are so critical to a lifelong learning.
I read greek, roman egyptian and other mythology at a younf age it showed me how dependend christian mythology is on them
@gerardmoloney433 Can you read Hebrew on native speaker level? Can you read Greek on native speaker level? Translations are always a loss of meaning. Do you know the culture of Greeks and jews in the second century? Well then you do not understand the meaning of a lot in the text. Learn Greek, Hebrew and read for starters Homer, Vergil, Euripides, and basic Greek philosophy. After that, read the "Iesous" ( Jesus) stories.
You seem to have overlooked that we have here greek-roman literature, and authors have sock puppet characters and the author make them talk. Paul the oldest storyteller, did not invent these sentences you cited, Mark did not invent these sentences, Luke did not invent them, Mathew did not invent them. The latest story came up with new made up stuff. John make up the water into wine from the Dionysos cult and so much more like the words you cited. We have no evidence that a dead Aramaic speaking preacher ever said what Greek authors, in Greek stories produced for a Greek audience.
@gerardmoloney433 "Jesus fulfilled 109 Old Testament prophecies during His lifetime and for 8 prophecies to happen by chance is mathematically impossible."
Someone has really deceived you on the number of prophecies, but the way to explain any of that is that none of it ever happened.
After the alleged time of hesus, someone used the old testament to concoct the new testament and make it all up, make it appear that it fulfilled prophecies to you, from your perspective, with you not really knowing Judaism and what they expected from the coming savior.
Go watch a video by a rabbi who explains why jesus did not fulfill what they expected from the savior character, Go learn why they were not fooled, why they did not convert, why they are still jewish to this day and not christian.
You simply don't know enough about the subject you are talking about.
@gerardmoloney433 "No human being would even dream of making such claims."
The only type of person who can say this is someone who knows nothing about all the religions (mythologies) that came before christianity.
None of the ideas in christianity are new, not even close, every one of them was lifted from a previous myth.
@@jimbob3030Have you ever thought that perhaps you have it wrong ?
I started deconstructing at age 5, wanting to be a magician and scientist at 6, study non stop. With hardcore dad, I read 5 versions of the bible by age 21. It's never been accepted by my mind since 5... it's grown stronger every day since. These deconstruct stories sadden me, yet help my heart. If there was a Jesus, he knew these times were coming with enough education. Any amount of Gods belief is too much, but carving it down to one is at least a start. Silly human race. 100 billion of us have wasted this life on earth. Gr8! Peace ☮💜Love
have a read of The language of God by the scientist and former head of the genome project, Collins.
christianity is about how we treat others, it is not trying to answer science but in some ways it does... you have to believe in intelligent design to be able to do science in the first place
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Excellent interviews. Excellent interviewer. You do a fantastic job of naturally asking questions and letting your subject fully answer with almost zero interruption. 90% of interviewers cannot do that well.
Gawd I so agree! They frustrate me so much.
Thanks Derek this was a great idea on a personal level I’m so thankful for these scholars for paving the road and sharing their knowledge
And MYTHVISION thanks brother
You're the freaking man my friend! Thank you for always being in my corner ❤️
I attended an evangelical Baptist chapel in rural East Sussex from before I was born, but as soon as I was able to think for myself, I realised that little of what I was told at chapel could be believed. It took many years of study to be able to justify it, while I continued to search for a credible model of God. I have long since given up the search, but I still retain a faith in something that is beyond our comprehension, and that possibly represents a basic human need for meaning and purpose, and that may be the source of the earliest myths, that eventually found their way into the Bible.
Have you ever looked into Eastern Orthodoxy? Literally any book by Seraphim Rose would be an interesting or even videos on him here on RUclips.
I can so relate to Kipp Davis, the more Christians attack me now for not believing what they are saying, the more I know I'm good with not going to their churches.. My whole family are strongly indoctrinated, and I use to be, but the more I research the more it didn't add up. Do just even trying to talk the history of religions bible and before totally pisses them off. I refuse to go anywhere where open discussion is not allowed!!!
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Christians don't attack you.
Damn Liar
@littlebubba6199No disagreement is a good way of flushing out contradictions. But religious intolerance would be classified as attacking.
Debate is always welcome! And to each man his right to faith is also welcome. I am not a scholar but as practising attorney i know the search for evidence today of a bygone era with the cultural conditioning of this age, is seeking out an impossible outcome. I have believed and then also disbelieved for a time. I know from experience the scriptures come alive when you add faith to it. Maybe i believe in vain. Thats a choice i make. But that does not mean i operate in ignorance. No one really know everything. Not anyone. I think spirituality is an adventure. Open your heart to the impossible. And keep reason accessible.
@@pn558 Why do I know, that Yeshua is God, who made Heaven and earth? I prayed as an unbeliever to the God, who made Heaven and earth. And when He came into my room, I asked Him to prove to me, that He is the God, who made Heaven and earth, So I know, what many do not know. Yeshua is not another God, but the incarnation and the manifestation of the invisible God. Yeshua is the Messiah of the Jews, The King of the Jews. He is Immanu EL, God with us, the Arm of God, Almighty God, Our Savior. He died for our sins, that saves us through faith in Him, by following Him. I experienced Paradise and Hell, both are real. God and Satan are real. We humans are slaves and will go to the light or the darkness according to whom we follow. Our life is a dressing room for eternity, with eternal life in the presence of God or damnation in the lake of fire. Our soul and spirit are eternal, the question is, where we will spend eternity?
I left the church at 14 and earned my biology degree. My worldview was evolutionary. One day when I was 27 the Holy Spirit convicted me and guided me to move. I ended up joining a church and my whole worldview changed. It seems to me that the intellectual community really indoctrinates people with a worldview that is different than a Christian worldview. Evolution is one example. I am now convinced because of scientific evidence that all that exists is Intelligently designed. My mind was changed in the early 80s and since then more and more evidence has been discovered to confirm my faith. The Shroud of Turin would be another example of scientific evidence for my faith. I visited Israel twice in the last 5 years. The archeological evidence in Israel is confirming my faith beyond my expectations. I find the journey from faith to non faith an interesting topic. My opinion is that the intellectual community "nudges" people in a certain direction.
Yep, indoctrination as the world hates the light.
Even Darwin though that life would get simpler magnified and that cells were just little bags of protoplasm. If he was alive to see what we have discovered in the field of cell biology I have a hard time believing he would stick to his theory. Life is just way too complex and obviously designed (also obviously deteriorating since)
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Most Christian denominations accept the reality of evolution. It's only Evangelical that dont.
Very disturbing isn't it.
The Bible says the earth is 6000 years old. It is obviously 5 billion years old and the universe 15 billion years. You must be kidding.
Yes as soon as you think for yourself then this all becomes a story with no basis in fact
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❤end game supermen an women no babies all babies will start at 7 years old and grow up tell there 33.all over 33 will become 33.Thoes that have true (compassion for your fellow man) will be allowed to pick yr body type an shape. Man or woman are equal. Up to 12 in a Herm man or woman's. Are allowed. Some will be able to leave earth and visit heaven or stay. Governing system those that loose true compassion for your fellow man. Will loose power and have to eat an crap again and live out there speck of existence
❤When we are born our aura is always purple celestrial because we are recycled through heaven. A baby is as close to a angel as it gets. Then there is blue aura true compassion for your fellow man.
All blue aura automatically goes to heaven. Then there is orange aura confrontational with fellow man all orange aura waiting for judgement day. Then there is red aura judge and jury to fellow man all red aura automatically goes to hell. Then there black aura executioner to fellow man to bad for hell all black aura automatically goes to the abyss where they come out like locust in the end. Our emotions are judged by are aura love at the top an hate at the other. Negative energy is 3 times more powerful than positive energy so we have to do three good to one bad to stay balanced. When we get close to red aura hell actually orange level 8. Sorrow is put into our lives to keep us out the red hell. The devil puts fear in our lives to counter. Big war goes on over the soul. It's better to have no arms no legs paralyzed and can't talk an make it into heaven because we get our warrior body back
❤No one has to believe in a god to make it through . (True compassion for your fellow man is enough). But believing in Jesus will reset yr aura back to purple celestrial
❤I share a god with many names. I call him Jesus or J for short. All he wants is true compassion for your fellow man. Because without that how are we to be together. Someone always looking for power. Or something over the other. There will be quantum food machines. Just think what u want. Like now think about in yr mind say yes I want to know. I will feel yr thoughts an release the truth. In Jesus name if seemed harder an knocked harder than u could imagine. So that I got the attention of the fallen Angels illuminati aka aliens NASA what ever you want to call them. An there creater D himself. To where he an Enoch put the chalidlen red evil warrior planet. Shrunk it down in the micro dimension an put it inside me . Because you keep what you kill universal rule. So he didn't know if I was good or bad because I had no aura an I was once saved an fell away. I did take the Elijah spirit from heaven. So the devil wanted my power. With the red planet in me he knew I couldn't be good. Rise of the red planet. I can speak chalidlen to the sun an wind it obey me.
❤A few years ago the fallen
Angels gathered up scientists from around the world to go to Antarctica under sworn secrecy. Everyone thought they found a portal but they found that years before. In middle earth, first heaven, paradise what ever you want to call it. I call it paradise. Were the floor is glass and the Sea is under the sky is above. How this u say because gravity is reversed. Were Elon 40 satellites were destroyed an my final battle with the fallen Angels was. My rule is no satellites an no shoes on the seacret floor. The portal could take u to the 8 planets I stopped that to it wasn't very big.
No the scientist were gathered for another reason. When God flooded the world because of the Giants breath was hurting his angels. Gods last act before leaving was flood an leave. 10 giants were flash froze and the fallen Angels needed help bringing them back. Success the thin line chemtrails are true giants breath. I stopped that to no more chemtrails
We always been the prey
Those that rejects the power not the god will enter trials and tribulation.
❤So after the red planet was put in me. An I had the Elijah spirit. The devil wanted to test me He sent a tin can full of fallen angels an big foots. I destroyed them all but not with out a price. The Elijah spirit ten thousand fall to yr right and ten thousand fall to yr left not a hair on yr head will be harmed. Not for me. I got 167 stitches broken back doc still can't believe I'm walking a paralyzed left hand. The fallen could turn back time a few hours. I stopped that to. They brought back the fallen Angels but they couldn't bring back the big foots. Left me to be bay flighted into Louisville hospital. So I took 17 prayers and made them 1.thin I took 15 prayers and made them 1 I took both prayers 33 in all an made them 1 two minute prayer so powerful I gave back the Elijah spirit an flow I took from heaven. Even the numbers 17 an 15 are powerful. If u say 17. 15. In yr mind repeatedly for 20 seconds . 4 hours of negative energy will creep out yr feet. Try it if u think I'm lying it only takes 20 seconds.
These men have a great deal of learned knowledge. It sounds like they all have both life and spiritual experiences. I had a true rebirth experience at 27. No other experience before that. I maintained a steady prayer life and just reading, asking for a greater understanding of the Word. This was my life for about 5yrs. Things happened and I slowly drifted away. After 15yrs I felt the tug of the Holy Spirit to come back. I did. I have found, at least for me, if I overthink and not leave it to the Holy Spirit to teach then I can get confused. While I do believe deep theological teaching is great, I take the Bible in the simplicity in which it was written. I find this is the simplest way to convey the true message of Jesus Christ. I feel for these 'scholars' who have lost their first love. My hope, my prayer for them is: come back, back to your first love, Jesus Christ.
@TheMahayanist that is a very prideful thing to say. Do you know the origin of pride?
@TheMahayanistyou must be badly hurt inside to behave like this. Hope you will find your peace someday.
Thank you for your comment. I did the reverse moved away from the charismatic, but came back now beiing allowed to think for myself and realise that I did not need dogma or paricular factual belief since the myths of the bible were enough because I felt the mythic stories are just as real or even more real than the physical world, so factual history was no longer my way of measuring reality. We can live myths as a reality so I do not need factual historical seven day creation, vrigin births, resurrection, flood etc, but mythically they are reall stories that effect the psyche.
So what your saying is.. if you research the truth.. it won't be true. It's better to be ignorant and shallow and keep it simple.. and not question it, so the truth won't be revealed. This is how you sound to me. But le me ask you? If God were real.. then researching it should only further clarify and verify that he is real and exist .. would you not agree?
So... to summarise you don't want to think too much. Is ignorance a virtue?
_Tens of millions of Christians around the world lost faith in the existence of God and become agnostics and atheists due to contradictions in the bible and the confusing doctrine of the trinity._
I am an ex-Jehovah's Witness. Joshua 10: 13 was the last straw for me.
Strange, how we are expected to participate in wine and bread, typical of the Mediterranean climate. How come wine does not grow everywhere. As if this Christianity is just a marketing ploy to sell wine.
I watched this but I am only interested in my walk with god. I never went to church and never even had anyone tell me to go to church. I do care for others as I must and desire to do so. I have never put my faith in priests, pastors or humans. I have and do go to churches. It’s important to do so at times but only as my heart and what I think god would have or want me to do. Nothing more or less. I was driving a country road , I was not totally familiar with. I was going to meet a friend to fish a lake. I stopped at a small church that I did know…I do now but at that time, I did not. I opened the door and I have no idea why….nobody was inside and I just sat down. I sat for a half hour….no feelings, nothing. I decided to try and speak out loud to this supposed god. Nothing..but something told me, read the Bible. Ok……I started to do so a week later and have for many years. I belong to no….specific church but I do live for him and show his love. I have a peace and comfort I never had….I don’t listen to many other folks at all….my god is in the words, I read. I need no validation or confirmation. Everything I need or want is in the book I carry. I am sorry but it sounds like so many others that follow the big church factory…..you will get lost and lose yourself and your personal walk with god. Any judgment that we have will be between us and him. I am not going to be judged based on a pastor, or a priest, and what they did it’s about me and him. I wish you all the best. Love all of you. God bless you.
God*
The hardest thing is the feeling that you are betraying your wife, children, family, friends, your history, etc.
I haven’t really explained much about not believing it anymore. It has been too much of a thing for people to trust leaders and just wait. I finally figured out I don’t trust anyone, but I am a genuine caring person.
Been a skeptic since a child in Catholicism. Became a baptist in my 20s, because, you know, I just thought I wasn’t worshipping right and that’s why I couldn’t hear god’s voice. Well, I then started reading my Bible like they told me to and to believe it as the inerrant word of god, and I literally just couldn’t. Now I accept the fact I’m an atheist.
Islam rejoices.
@ajaysamanta9661 What's that? Chaiwala language? Get someone to translate for you into English. LOL.
Practise meditation .
We are here to Love and be Loved.
Would you call that God ?
"We are more than our physical bodies"
Robert Monroe
From the beginning you are unbeliever you have Judas heart even Jesus even cannot save you you are of your father the D from heaven to hell
The missionary’s story resonated with me. Who can argue with a Bible translator who nearly loses his family just trying to share the gospel?
As an electrical engineer, I’m part mathematician. If step 1 in a ten part proof is wrong. You stop. After 27 adult years in the church and study of Franceska Stavrakopoulou’s work, I now had a rationale as to how the Garden Story was metaphorical rather than historical. This was over and above evolution making it impossible. Once I got to that place of understanding, Jesus became a mute point. Who cares about the resurrection? We don’t need it. There is no original sin, right?
I had all the pieces I needed in high school to construct this argument. However, I was afraid of being wrong. Pascal’s wager seemed to point to the only way out of the damnation trap. But, if you are lying and you don’t really believe, Christian dogma says you’re going to hell anyway. So, it’s not the magic escape clause I supposed.
I can so relate to the interview subjects thus far (two hours into the vid.)
It wasn’t so hard to replace the church community for me, as it may have been for the missionary/Bible translator. I had work, the gym and the social dance community. But, it was difficult.
well, you have dozens of Miriam Aparitions around the world. Some in this century, videotaped, and that proves paranormal exists. Lets analyze one encounter Zeitoun-Cairo (Egito) Mother of Jesus. Search in Google and you will see photos of this. And after investigations, there were no doubts it was from another world. Also per example Garabandal, Espanha. There were scientist to descredit the young ones, and they all became Christians. There was no doubt that they were talking with the Virgin Mary. The Bible was written by humans, but they were talking about something that happened ! The history didnt died 2000 years ago, i ve told you two episodes that are proof of what i said.
Love your informative Videos Derrick...keep them coming! I am trying to learn all I can... So mush I never knew before. Thank you!
This is so helpful, to hear you guys talking about this. I went to an evangelical college,and then, in reaction, to the most liberal seminary I could find in my area, and then on to ministry in the Presbyterian and UCC churches. I burned out on ministry a few times, and finally got to the point where I knew I could not recite the Lord’s Prayer one more time, because I just couldn’t think of “God” as a Father, and couldn’t fathom what it meant for this god to be in heaven. I told my congregation, “I don’t believe in “Belief.” I could still follow the moral examples of Jesus and others who did the right things in the Bible. But, you know, I can also follow the examples of Nelson Mandela or Buddha or Florence Nightingale or Johnny Appleseed when they did the moral things. It was time to get out. It is not just my doubts about the Bible and theology that drove me out, but also the Bible and ecclesiology (study of the church itself) that made me leave. Rather than excusing congregational misbehaviour as “it’s a hospital for sinners,” I realized it’s a trainwreck that actually creates sin. Paul gives terrible leadership advice. The church of late antiquity and the medieval Church were based on Roman autocratic power structures. Authoritarianism is a terrible way to govern. I was a pastor, but I was not interested in leading in any authoritarian way. Yuck! Supposedly, Protestants got away from this, but any pastor will tell you that they’re treated like they’re “holier” than others. Many people in my churches put me on that damned ancient pedestal. I could see vestiges of this “pedestal” thinking in the way people treated me. I could see other pastors fall prey to the attitude toward their power that led to clergy sexual abuse, and the secrecy that surrounded it. This is an academic area the deconstruction movement has barely tapped.
Well said, also what has me is that the King James Version. Was revised by KJames himself and many other scholars from France Italy and so forth. They put in the fear stuff. So that the people would pay their taxes to the King! 🤷🏻♀️
Let the Bible be true! This is called the "great falling away".
I can't watch it
You know that we have manuscripts that date much further back than the KJV. It is quite possible to determine where the scripture was either added to in order to support a particular political or ecclesiastical position or was interpreted to conform to the cultural norms of the moment. It is called textual criticism. @@tamtamm1743
Authoritarianism is a terrible way to govern. If nothing else, it usurps the authority of the Lord. But it is a temptation for many pastors because of the respect they receive from their congregations and because few in most congregations take up their responsibility to lead WITH the pastor.
@@tamtamm1743 The King James Bible was NOT revised by King James. "......47 scholars and theologians worked to translate the different books of the Bible: the Old Testament from Hebrew, the New Testament from Greek and the Apocrypha from Greek and Latin. Much of the resulting translation drew on the work of the Protestant reformer William Tyndale, who had produced the first New Testament translation from Greek into English in 1525 but was executed for heresy less than a decade later."
LOVE Matt Monger’s sharing of his experiencing. SO glad I tuned in to this. Thank you Matt. Thank you Derek, for your beautiful facilitations. Love to both your wives too. 💗
Interesting video. When I went to university, I was fully denying the Bible and Christ and talked about the same things (mid-1980s). I met a bonified Christian during that time and decided to explore spirituality. Having rejected Christianity, I majored in Biology with a History minor from a large research university with a great library. I read the Quran, Hindu Scriptures, Babylonian texts, Gnostic texts, and read historical Roman documents among other things. After having spent two years doing this, I decided it all paled compared to the Bible and started reading it for myself.
I really did not want to be a Christian and was hung up on the pagan origins of holidays, the saints, and other historical traditions. I finally read the bible, especially John and realized how uniquely different the Bible is. I was especially impressed by the book of John to become a Christian. Best decision I ever made. So, it seems I came into it from the other side and after 35+ years, it was absolutely the difference in life. For me, I accept the Bible as fact based on all the evidence and based on reading other scriptures. It stands alone if you spend the time.
I actually love these kind of well done videos. I will listen to anybody's spiritual story. Through the years, I have read the Bible cover to cover at least 10 times. I get a lot out of these deconstruction stories, especially the longer more honest conversations. If you have read the Bible through many times, you have connected many dots and you realize what is going on.
It takes courage to leave any religious cult, and they are all cults. In a way it is sad to find out that one’s religion is false. I know because I left Christianity at age 55. I feel free, but there are things I miss.
I left when I was 55 years old too. I guess I'm just a slow learner.
Perhaps I am at an advantage as I never had to leave anything. But I had a career that entailed a few times ensuring childrens human rights to religious observance was abided. I do tire of folk complaining about being a part of a church, mosque whatever. In a liberal democracy that was your personal choice and you could leave if you choose. It is also none of yours or my business who anyone else choose to led their lives or raise their family.
Oh I forbid staff from using cult as it is use as provocative - alternative faith community sufficed. And it was always another faith community complaining about another religion.
Churches are there own worst enemy - there is no need to worry about them
I gave up at age 39. But, as early as 15 I began the slow steady process of asking ever more difficult questions.
@@russellmiles2861 I agree. We have six children, two are Christians, two are atheists, and two are spiritual, and that's just fine.
I have been in and out of Christianity since I was a young teen. I tried SO hard to be a"good Christian," but I could never get the questions out of my mind. They kept coming back over and over again. At age 70, I'm finally giving up. There are no reasonable answers to my questions because they don't exist. My family and friends are going to be pretty upset, but they are not in my mind. They are not living this hell that I have been in for 60 years. This is the most difficult journey I've ever started., and I need as much support from these online sites as possible since I only have one person irl that can help me. Thanks everyone.
I really appreciated Doctor Cargill. One of the most annoying aspects of SOME evangalists is how mean spirited and judgemental they are. The kindest people I know are those who respect and love others as they are.
The Bible speaks about The Great Falling Away before Jesus Returns.
That already happened
@@200x-v4k its a gradual process
No..fallen away happens .but not this GREAT one..@@200x-v4k
There have been several "Fallings Away" since the rise of christianity.
Well, I hope you're prepared then 😢!
10.5 hours? This is still going to be going when I wake up tomorrow? How are you putting this much material together. Seriously, you have the longest videos I have ever seen on RUclips. It's going to take me a week to watch all this.
Yes, Satan doesn't do anything by halves.
@helencheung2537 If God didn't want evil in the World, maybe he should of not created the Devil. I'm not omniscient, but that's the way I would of handled it.
@@helencheung2537 You should know !
Ive tried to start others of his and they're super repetitive. The same thing gets said 30 times in slightly different ways.
Stop whining🙄
I remain a Christian. But now i love questions, am comfortable with not knowing and with conflicting ideas. But boy, have i dumped churchianity and my old interpretation of scriptures.
Who ever said "love your enemies" was a genius. As far as i know, that was Jesus.
Combine this with loving our neighbour as ourselves, stops all co dependency, cult mentalty and narcissism.
The rest.. i am not so attached to.
@@Plethorality it’s amazing if what radiates out of us is love. I have been accused of being a powder puff. I have tremendous joy.
It is painfully clear: the more you read for yourself and think through it yourself, the more you realize it’s completely stitched together and utterly mythology.
It’s completely incomprehensible how the actual creator of the universe would not have a celestial bullhorn. If it requires “interpretation” it’s not real.
Countless people have lawyered the Bible for their own interests and control over others. Unfortunately you need some distance to clear your head and shake the guilt implanted in your head.
So when you open a law book, or a medical book, you don't have to study and interpret the context, the excuses hell headed humans make to try an sound intelligent ,instead of just saying I hate God I reject His gift of eternal salvation, because I love my sins more.
There is no universe, read Genesis 1.
@normandknowlesdmd It is a complete arrogance to expect God to use a bull horn to make mankind obey him and worship him. If God did not use a bull horn to make Adam and Eve obey him, why should God use a bull horn to force you to obey him. That is why, the same way Satan deceived Adam and Eve to disobey God, he has done the same to you because of your lack of fear of God. This is what has separated you from God and gives power to Satan to destroy your life. Because the lack of fear of God and devil worship is pain and suffering and death. You can not escape it by your sinfulness against God. You reap what you sow with God. Apostle.
The people who worship Satan in this did not need a bull horn from Satan before they are all worshipping Satan with so much passion. Why didn't you ask these people why they did not need a bull horn from Satan??? Do you know why. God revealed to me that the majority of mankind on earth are worshiping Satan. They did not need a bull horn. Wide is the way that leads to hell and to self destruction. Apostle
Really you keep Believing Your Bible. I will stick Honoring the Horned lord of the sun and The Radiant Lady Threefold Goddess of the moon. That is the Trinity of the Mother Maiden Crone. Not the Father Son and Holy Ghost which is made up and Not true.
The mystery of science and the challenge of reason is the road less traveled.
Thank you so much!❤
Since birth, I struggled with frequent seizures. I followed into the footsteps of my parents who were very devout. When I was 10, my best friend died in a freak accident. My father, trying to console me, explained that it is the will of God and for the longest time I was very angry and lost my faith. I met my wife in college, and we got married. She came from a fundamentalist, evangelical family. We went on to graduate school and I was doing my PhD in one of the engineering fields and she was a teaching assistant. She got pregnant but we were told that the baby didn't develop a skull or a brain and will die upon birth. My wife refused to have an abortion and carried the baby full term. As expected, the baby died shortly after birth. My father-in-law told her that she passed with flying colors for not having an abortion. I was even more angry. Engineering is based on the laws of thermodynamics. The first, called the equation of continuity, is used for modeling and design purposes. Simply put, nothing can be created or destroyed. Energy and mass are interchangeable. The second law can be used to model and define life and death since humans are a bunch of chemical reactions. It predicts death but there is no resurrection. These 2 laws are used by atheists to prove that God doesn't exist. However, as an engineer I believe that the universe is a great piece of engineering and there is a supreme engineer who did it and created these laws. Of course, the Old Testament and the Gospels are man-made and defy science and all of our knowledge of history and archeology. In addition, organized religions have their own racist agenda, whether it is ISIS for Moslems, Zionism for Jews, or the evangelicals with their dogma. As a scientist, I rejected organized religion, but I still have deep faith in God. I have redefined my life accordingly. I don't need salvation through Christ or any other messiah to redeem myself. Redemption comes from making the worlds a better place for all.
Jesus of Christianity is not a Nature's God, Jesus of Christianity is a Supernatural Superhero, just like Superman, Spiderman, Luke Skywalker, all Supernatural Superheroes.
So why can we write that Jesus is not a Nature's God and is a Supernatural Superhero, like other human created story characters?
Analogy evidence.
Why do we think that the stories of humans landing on the moon from 1969 to 1972 are true? Because of all the knowledge of flying by the Astronauts, Knowledge of orbital mechanics, rockets and space craft from Scientists and Engineers and all the money spent on it, and the companies to build all the stuff.
For Jesus to come back from the dead 3 days after dying, Jesus would have to have knowledge of blood, skin, the heart, lungs, digestion, immune systems, kidneys, etc.. Then Jesus to be moral would have to tell humans about natural ways to prevent illnesses and diseases. Does Jesus tell us the value of sanitation, cleanliness, sterilization, inoculation and medication? Then have knowledge of Chemistry, Organic Chemistry, Physics, etc.. Did Jesus tell us anything about that? Then if Jesus was a God who created everything, that Jesus would have to know Geology, Nuclear Star Fusion, Mathematics, etc. Does Jesus give us any idea that he would know about that? Then look at Jesus's economics. Having poor people give stuff to other poor people. Wouldn't a God know about creating wealth and making stuff? Jesus is just not a God. You could get away with it in the ancient age and the middle age, but the Christian scam just should not work in the modern age.
I think like you. Also the jump from not believing in Jesus to being an atheist is too big. To me both are so different, I believe Jesus brought a message but he is not God. I believe in God. If anything I think Islam gets it. Not believing in Christianity doesn’t make me an atheist because I believe in God.
Awesome compilation video. Thank you from a self-educated former Christian who now knows that one of the oldest agencies with mankind is the creation of gods.
Jewish Crimes from Time to Time.:
The hatred and conspiracy of the Jewish Rabbis with Herod the Great King of the Jews, against the baby Jesus who was born in Bethlehem, ordered the execution of all boys aged two years and under in all of Bethlehem. (Matthew 2:16-18)…And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled (Luke 21:24).
GOD HIMSELF HAS PUNISHED THE JEWS FOR THEIR SIN
1. Battle of Badr in Medina
2. Expulsion from Africa.
3.Holocaust in Germany
Peace,
Zionis Kristen
Jewish Crimes from Time to Time.:
The hatred and conspiracy of the Jewish Rabbis with Herod the Great King of the Jews, against the baby Jesus who was born in Bethlehem, ordered the execution of all boys aged two years and under in all of Bethlehem. (Matthew 2:16-18)…And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled (Luke 21:24).
GOD HIMSELF HAS PUNISHED THE JEWS FOR THEIR SIN
1. Battle of Badr in Medina
2. Expulsion from Africa.
3.Holocaust in Germany
Peace,
Zionis Kristen
….Jewish Lies.
Why the Jews (Israel) for 3000 years have not been able to fulfill the prophecies of : # Ezekiel 37:21, # Isaiah 11:11-12, # Isaiah 43:5-6 ?
# The Truth of Jesus:
# Jesus Christ from infancy was prophesied by the High Priest Simeon in the Temple of God. Simeon said: 2:30.For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, 2:31.Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; 2:32.A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel. - (Luke 2:25-35).
# Jesus fulfilled Jewish Scriptures (OT) 3000 years ago:
# New Testament Prophecies: 2000 years ago:
1.Matthew 28:19-20 - (Forming the Believers)
2.Acts 1:8-(The Holy Spirit guides the believers)
3.Romans 11:26 - (Prophecy of the Apostle Paul)
# The Turkish Islamic Ottomans who colonized Jerusalem and the Arab Islamic States for 400 years, surrendered to British troops on December 9, 1917. The Believers such as "Arthur James Balfour" created the famous "Balfour Declaration" to this day. This is a proposal letter to return Israel to their homeland in Palestine which they lost thousands of years ago. The British Congress unanimously ratified the Balfour Declaration on November 2, 1917, one month before the Ottoman surrender to British troops on December 9, 1917. We all believe that the "Holy Spirit" works within the believers, whether it is the "British Troops" or "Arthur James Balfour", they have carried out the fulfillment of the Old Testament Bible Prophecies for World Peace and the salvation of Israel.
# Israel implemented its Declaration of Independence on May 14, 1948, one day before the British Mandate ended on May 15, 1948.
# New Testament Books & The Believers Have Fulfilled the Prophecies of the Old Testament Books (Jewish Tanakh)
Peace,
Zionis Kristen
What agency?
The supernatural agency. @@R2D2Axis
WHEN did he RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT ??
Just found your channel, better late than never. I have deconverted from Numbers genocides and churches promoting Trump. Thanks for showing up with such depth of thought and love of the truth.
Had some buddies involved in that hallelujah Christianity born again thing. I'm not 'saved' but still a believer in God. It's a work in progress. Some people just love telling other people what's 'right'. Funny ol world.
"Twenty-two years ago, I stood where I stand now - and watched my loved ones die, betrayed by those I had called friends. Vengeance clouded my mind. It would have consumed me, were it not for the wisdom of a few strangers, who taught me to look past my instincts. They never preached answers, but guided me to learn from myself. We don't need anyone to tell us what to do; not Savonarola, not the Medici. We are free to follow our own path. There are those who will take that freedom from us, and too many of you gladly give it. But it is our ability to choose - whatever you think is true - that makes us human... There is no book or teacher to give you the answers, to show you the path. Choose your own way! Do not follow me, or anyone else."
- Ezio Auditore da Firence
@@chrismoore7365 I think a Christian Socialist ideal secretly terrifies me when I think it through. It's so filled with "rightness". Orwellian 1984 type murmurings at the mo'. I'd definitely not like to " .......live in interesting times." Quite like just 'plodding' about being ignorant.
Correlation is not causation. Similar stories doesnt mean christians outright stole the true life of jesus. Poor guy. Seeing things that r not really there. The afterlife is real.
Being a bible scholar has nothing to do with being a Christian.
A Christian is somebody who has an intimate relationship with God.
Amen !!!
Do you personally know God? How? What you said gives no evidence
@@cheesesteak983 I have no need nor desire to prove anything to you. But I'll offer this little gem: "Hell is being stuck with yourself. Heaven is being blessed with yourself." Of course... a person needs God to be truly blessed with themself. ;-)
@@Zulonix Nonsense and inaccurate. Many people live happy lives without a god.
@@eurechdefine happy
Great video Derek. Sort of like several episodes of "Harmonic Atheist" all rolled into one video. This kind of thing does a lot to help people navigate a life away from faith or to navigate life to a different and better faith.
I was brought up a strong Christian, but later found out that most Christians were preaching about loving your enemies, but 80% of them were participating on war..
Worst was as grew older, I found out there was a Christian church sitting on our ancestors Tribal land..
I.said WTF is going on??
@isaacfarrell5597
Your ancestors are dead and burning in hell, God isn’t and he is trying to save any soul that will reach to him.
It’s exciting watching these shows on this topic. I began this journey when I was 30 years old. Iam 62 now. Back then it was never talked about. So after learning all of this new knowledge about the Old Testament and New Testament from world renowned scholars, from a historical point of view, I was so overjoyed! They answered all the questions I had in my head and then some. I don’t consider myself a Christian and I tell that to anyone that ask. It’s interesting how Christians never want to know more then that? At the end of the day, the stores in the Bible are just trying to motivate you to live a better life. Which is fine, but there only that, stories!
Academics and the academia cannot explain what happens what happens before and after death whereas the Bible does both. The Old and New testaments explain death as the departure of the spirit from the body so that there is life after death
Islam will be the next step for anyone who is not happy with what the Bible teaches as it's the only religion that believes in Jesus Christ without all the contradictions and confusion unconditionally.
Does Islam believe Yeshua died for sins of the world?
@@Mik-ha-El Yeshua himself did not believe he died for the sin of the world..
Im a spiritual Christian. I expirence a relationship with God Father Son and Holy Spirit. I expirence the key scriptures personally. I tell people its not about church its not about church people or Christians. Its about personal relationship and experience with God Father Son and Holy Spirit and the Bible. Its True Spirituality not religion. Unfortunately some of the worst people are " Christians"
"True spiritually is not a religion". Depends how you define religion I guess. Personally, I think the whole evangelical "Christianity is a relationship, not a religion" is well-intentioned but false; Christianity is clearly a religion, and if God is real then of course it is a relationship, too. Why saddle a perfectly good word like "religion" with a definition of something like "empty works" or "religious legalism"? Just say that true Christianity is not merely a set of rules or rituals -- or something like that.
If the choice is between atheistic materialism on one hand, or believing that the bible is a perfect record of literal history on the other, then I'm stuck. Can't we just embrace the profound mystery of existence, including being absolutely fascinated with the bible and who the man Jesus might have been, without feeling like we HAVE to make a "life or death" decision? Sadly, Christianity has mostly been reduced to a memo of bullet points which the faithful are told they have to believe, whether it makes sense or not. What a petty God that is. If God is real, it has to be something greater than we can possibly wrap our minds around. Meister Eckhart said that "Existence is God."
You can still believe in God and be spiritual.
A huge problem with mainstream Christianity is that it's dogmatic and judgemental.
They are slowly becoming what Islam is.
While respecting these scholars for sharing their stories,. I cannot help feeling (as someone who has journeyed in the opposite direction) that websites such as this are increasingly resembling a fulfilment of the prophecy in 2 Timothy 4 v3.
Ditto Chris. Totally agree with you. Channels like this seem to have the main purpose of turning people off God, the bible and church. The great falling away as another chapter and verse said though I can't remember which one. Think it's Revelations. Just spent the whole weekend watching RUclips videos on the Gnostics and beginning and early history of the church and first Christians. The majority I could totally relate though I found some of it pretty wild but than I started getting angry and confused and what bit of faith I have fading. When I saw in the comment section that Dr. John Hamer, video I had been watching, had been a guest on this show I stopped watching because like I said shows like this exist only to turn people off Christianity and God. I saw people commenting on this video saying this should turn people off God and if it doesn't nothing will. This video showed up in my recommendations and I only clicked on it to see if it was really 9 hours. Not going to watch it.
yes the great falling away
Thank you. Watching and Listening from Alaska.
It always struck me that people are afraid of living without a faith: how te be moral, how to find a purpose, compassion etc. I had a problem with believing in any kind of personal god since a little kid and since age of 13 or 15 I do not believe in any kind of god or superpowers governing and caring about us, humans. Saying so, I need to add that its hard to have bigger affirmation of life then I have. We live in most amazing universe, full of wonders and mysteries. We have all the tools for exploration and understanding: curiosity, resources, intelligence, consciousness, society. We have it all, so let's focus on learning about what we have around us and just admire how amazing all of this is: life, nature, cosmos, physics. You don't need to attribute this to some personal supernatural beings telling us what to do. We don't have anything to do, we are a space dust in scale of universe. Just make it comfortable for you and fellow humans to have conditions to admire this beauty in peace.
This video is over the top !!
So awesome. I actually needed to see and hear this. I'm trying to get as much truth as possible, and I don't think Christianity is the key.
Thank you, thank you
youtube . william donahue
"Knowledge puffeth up but faith edifieth." " For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness” (I Corinthians 3:19).
end times start appearing.... Jesus come😭
Listening to the first speaker, Dr. Miller, for a while makes it clear to me, that the whole group of fallen away doctors who are put together here, have never been truly born again, they never experienced the Lord, but they just are co-runners with a lot of brain-knowledge, but without "recognizing" the Lord personally. And the nose-up way of speaking tells me all. That's the difference to a true Christian. The true Christian may even much less be able to explain theology, but he knows from the him-indwelling Holy Spirit that the Bible is true and Jesus God's Son and only Saviour of the world. "Knowledge" alone doesn't save you and gets you to nowhere.
Amen🙏
I relate to Dr Bart Ehrman very much so particularly about his point of view regarding not having a 'closed mind' when it comes to honest and rigorous scholarship/findings that bear upon biblical belief systems. Reality is perceptual and thus highly nuanced by the psychological mind and emotional set that is peculiar to each individual. I hold that 'Christ Consciousness' is a wonderful 'thing' and does not obliterate any other deeply known grasp of the ineffable light that so often pertains those 'special' moments of insight or revelation any person might have, that is felt as glorious, wondrous, humbling, ennobling and a 'gift' that so often goes towards changing people in so many ways which often are described by such persons as being a 'life changing experience' even if others don't necessarily see that (but of course many a time they can ie their friend/kin comes across as happier, kinder, and 'different'.)
I gave up worshipping God and started worshipping nature and I've never felt better.
Id also recommend meditation, journaling, and maybe even a little witchcraft for Dr Monger. Its how Im finding myself again.
Heathens Greetings! 🎄
That's cool. I looked into witchcraft like 2 years ago. Doesn't interest me, but a good hobby to individuals.
Atleast you are honest concerning the object of your worship.
God's inspired Word through the apostle Paul warned of the dangers of sorcery/witchcraft. This, among many other things will lead to damnation. But God will forgive the repentant heart that trusts in Christ for salvation
Galations 5
Now the works of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, moral impurity, promiscuity, idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambitions, dissensions, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and anything similar. I tell you about these things in advance-as I told you before-that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
@@davissalaki8703 you're only warning others because you yourself fear eternal hell. There is no other true motivation behind that
The bible clearly says that deceivers will come with all knowledge of this world to deceive many to go against the truth of the gospel. Human knowledge is nothing compared to Gods knowledge.
Truth! God has made foolish the wisdom of this world. They dont even know the difference between a man and a woman any more. Lots of these will have had doubts due to wishing to practice unnatural sexual sins. It is their lusts carrying them away into unbelief and perdition
I am so glad to find MythVision as I have been in the process of deconstruction from evangelical fundamentalism for 3 years. I also have really appreciated this documentary. so good and helpful. question: any reason there is not a women in the list of theologians who you interviewed? I do not consider myself a feminist or really need it to be a women to listen to but it was a thought I had. Have you interviewed a deconstructed a female theologian in past? If so can you recommend the video. thanks again!
Just get out of the fundamentalist Christian view and just listen to William lane Craig, David Wood, Michael Jones.
@@missypead2293 Graig? A used car sakesman telking us it took the Muslim Kalam to make ul an argument fir the muslim god so Graig uses it for the christian one. Amazing
I broke away. Was a painful but liberating experience.
Only Jesus Christ alone can give you true liberty. "Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty"
I as an Indian, and what I know a bit about Indian, scriptures, always found it absurd to believe or accept that certain people believe the Biblical stories literally. There could be historical elements but down the line became myth. Find it equally absurd that one needed to a PhD to arrive at this conclusion.
Brilliant, it is so obvious for everyone who knows mythology or even read or watched a lot of stories.
I get this. The moment I let go of my Catholic indoctrination I started having fabulous connection moments like running with the Sun shining on me. Thank you!
connection to what? the sun?
@@topsuperseven7910 Not surprising, Catholicism retains a remnant of the earlier state religion of Rome, the cult of Sol Invictus, the worship of the invincible sun, along with a bit of even older pagan beliefs.
@@mirandahotspring4019 That doesn't make much sense. 'The Cult of Sol Invictus' shows up (weakly and oddly) as Christianity is becoming more established. Not sure what 'a little big of even older pagan beliefs' might mean but yes there were numerous "god of the sun" or demigods of the sun.
The Sun is kind of a big deal.
In Christianity, long before there was Greece, Rome or any Paganism they have God creating the Sun as a great light. it's a big deal. It's considered one of God (Jesus, the bible etc) one of HIs major life-giving creations for mankind.
the Roman Catholics didn't enjoy 'Sol' and wrote and denounced certain things about it so it's weird you'd think the opposite and they'd somehow try and retain parts of it.
What 'remnants' do you know of?
I grew up Anglican. My uncle was a minister, so I did the Sunday school thing and was confirmed. At the age of 13, in 1967, I died and had an NDE. I’ll summarize it as a region of light and intoxicating sound. There was a light being by my side as a guide, then the next moment I was back in my body. 12 years later I met that guide in the flesh and became an initiate. There is a passage in the gospel of John 9:5. Find that living poll, just like the disciples of Jesus did back then. Hint, no religion has the monopoly on that.
You sure the light being by your side wasn’t your guardian angel?
@@tvhead7074 Not only that but I got to sit in his company 12 years later, in the flesh.🙏🏼
Ridiculous!
@@WoodstockG54 that doesnt sound like God to me... the Holy Spirit makes Jesus real to us... that sounds like you came face to face with a spirit in your NDE... who then guided you to a person and made you think it was from that light...
scripture is there to protect us from this stuff.... we must have a relationship with the Jesus of the bible through the Holy Spirit...
@@JuliexSteadman Each to their own.🙏🏼
JESUS LEFT HIS BODY LIKE AN NDE AND WENT TO GOD IN SPIRIT FORM AND COMBINIED HIS SPIRIT WITH THE FATHER AND SENT IT DOWN TO THE DISCIPLES.--- 1 Corinthians 2:16 For we have the mind of Christ.
I’m Hindu by birth. As I am getting older and older, I am learning that i just have to be a good human and follow the law of land. I don’t have to believe any form of religion. To be independent, I’m finding the independent from within has to come making life as simple as possible. I read bible, I read Hindu books, Buddhist Tripitak , Quran , etc., all these books are on my shelf- I see them they are not fighting. Interestingly, I see that these books are more fictional. Human beings create problem after reading these books in so many different ways- like war, crime, etc., forgetting humanity comes first.
kumbaya and all that to boot, there is but one answer and that is why all are trying to silence its ultimate power, Jesus Christ and Him crucified!
@@michaelf6705 🤣🤣
Eternal life is found in Yahusha, wide is the path that leads to destruction.
@@David-lq4tq Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
I think that reading the Qur’an, the holy book of Muslims, would be a very good idea for many of those interested in the topic of this video
I truly hope for healing and justice for those people hurt by the church leaders or members, and for people who have moved away from Jesus sometimes from the undeniable pains of life. I can relate. My life as a Christian has also been full of massive road bumps - not going to lie.
I know most people here don’t need prayer - because well what help could they get from a god they see as pointless, even harmful, or just lost in the sea of possible truths.
But I’m going to pray for you anyway.
I admire the search for truth and rigour. And I greatly respect that trait when I see it in others - and in fact I believe we should only see interviews with scholars and researchers on tv every night on the news - to help make sense of the world - I even believe that such a revelation of the truths of history would help make us more peaceful than we’ve ever been.
But here’s something I want to say to bridges these two ideas.
Let’s say God has a heart to connect with everyone - and he wanted make his love clear and his connection accessible to all - not just to those who have an incredible desire for knowledge and wisdom (and truth)
So in saying this - some of the people I’ve seen who are the most alive in Jesus and connect to him - are not intellectuals - and not necessarily the leaders in church or researchers but instead are people who sacrifice the comfort of what they had - to drop everything and serve the poorest, the sickest, the most ostracised and the most in danger.
When I see these people that’s when I truly feel I’ve seen a glimpse of Gods goodness breathing life into people.
I’ve come out of those places with such amazing hope and revitalisation that I found myself spiritually renewed.
Unfortunately, historically can’t we really measure the spiritual impact of encounters with God on a persons life- Its so deeply personal and unquantifiable.
But that just my minor thoughts. Much respect to all of you and praying for you health and happiness.
The idea there is "something" greater than ourselves is easy to argue as "true". The idea that this something is a "father"...having a beard, penis and XY chromosomes, had a child that needed to be killed to appease itself and "forgive humanity" is just stupid. If people mistake the awesomeness of life and transpose it to being loved and accepting a vicarious atonement for guilt is silly, if not perverse.
Prayers are for the lazy. Good luck in contributing to a better world.
Didn't Jesus mention that in the last days belief in his teaching would diminish. Over and over we have heard people decry his word as if they had a deep desire to discredit him. Even so, those hitting ground zero in their emotional and physical health seem to find great comfort in knowing he died and was resurrected for them. It's a twist of scientific fate that by following the righteous word of our Deity, we support gravity better, and this helps us riddle out of the body crushing chaos that unrighteousness brings down upon us.
This is why i stopped believing. It’s the threats and forcing people to not question. It’s manipulation. Christianity is happy with keeping people ignorant, not question. Weren’t people killed by the church in the Middle Ages if they wanted to read the Bible. They wanted to feed us information and keep us ignorant which I believe is so contrary to what God is. God is real, Jesus worship is idolatry. Can someone please point out a verse where Jesus specifically asked to be worshiped, where he asked for a church for him, where he wanted us to stop believing in God and him instead. Jesus brought a message and it was never about him. These last few times I went to church I was so uncomfortable that all the workship songs were about Jesus, everything Jesus. Why have people forgotten about the father. That’s idolatry and it makes me uncomfortable
Left Christianity because of all the hate and racism that it ignores
And promotes racism in some cases. Have you seen the grave stone of Scipio Africanus in Bristol UK? click images. At the end of the Day, Joshua also known as "Jesus" never created a religion called "Christianity". He was a jew and his followers are correctly called Nazarenes Acts 24:5 Named after him =Matthew 2:23. The faith is called THE WAY according to the N.T “The Way” is mentioned several times in the book of Acts (Acts 9:2; 19:9, 23; 22:4; 24:14, 22) in connection with early followers of Messiah It was to take prisoner men and women who “belonged to the Way” (Acts 9:2; 22:4) that Saul of Tarsus went to Damascus. After Saul was converted, he became a missionary and went by the name of Pau in the Gentile worldl. In Ephesus, Paul met some in the synagogue who “became obstinate; they refused to believe and publicly maligned the Way” (Acts 19:9). Paul left the synagogue and continued to preach the Message where it would be heard rather than remain with those who denigrated the Way.
During his trial before Felix, Paul said, “I admit that I worship the God of our ancestors as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect” (Acts 24:14). We are also told that Felix knew about the Way (verse 22). It seems that the Romans considered the Way to be a sect of Judaism rather than a separate religion.
The way 1st century jewish sect open to everybody Jew and non jew= Acts 212:21-25. so called "Christianity" on the other hand took (Joshua/Jesus) and made their religion called christianity which went out and slaved millions of africans in the Atlantic slave trade and killed many jews in crusades and pogroms. A well documented pogrom was the York pogrom in the United Kingdom. Joshua/Jesus is the truth but Christianity isn't. There wasn't no "church buildings" until the 4th century. Jewish believers met in Synagogues read the book of Jacob who they renamed to "James". James 2:2 direct from Greek the word is synagogue.
Have watched Robert Cargill for many years and it’s really great seeing him on MythVision with you Derek Lambert. All of your speakers are fabulous and very much appreciated. Thank you for the awesome work you do!
Jewish Crimes from Time to Time.:
The hatred and conspiracy of the Jewish Rabbis with Herod the Great King of the Jews, against the baby Jesus who was born in Bethlehem, ordered the execution of all boys aged two years and under in all of Bethlehem. (Matthew 2:16-18)…And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled (Luke 21:24).
GOD HIMSELF HAS PUNISHED THE JEWS FOR THEIR SIN
1. Battle of Badr in Medina
2. Expulsion from Africa.
3.Holocaust in Germany
Peace,
Zionis Kristen
“The Bible Came from Arabia “, Kamal Salibi,1985 plus his 3 other bible study books for facts.
Awesome work? Aweful more like. Satans unwitting dupes
I am getting to old. I can't watch his shows because I lose my attention and drift away from shows around 2 hours long or more. I wish he had a editor that can be a overall summary of the shows that are long. After saying this, My congratulations for his hard work and his life's purpose to find truth on a subject that involves all of us.
Listen to it in parts like a podcast while you shave, then start where you left off the next day.
I listen while getting my steps in, sometimes stretching or light weights. Time goes by and I feel I’ve exercised my mind as well.
This should be produced by the BBC.
Trump was elected president a few days ago. I was already suffering PTSD due to the death of my daughter a few years ago but, this election has been a huge setback. I am done with life. Coming across these interviews (which I heard in their original format) has been very helpful. They are inspiring and uplifting in ways religion never was in my 60 years of being a believer. Knowing there are intelligent, critical thinkers who have freed themselves from cult thinking gives me hope for the future. Hoping they can save us from full on Idiocracy. Thank you Derek - you are changing and saving lives. ❤️
Adam, what you are doing is so profound and valuable. Keep up the good work. Thank you!
Origin of the letter J?
As a former minister for over 30 years in a very well known Nondenominational (aka, Pentecostal) church, I implore all my BORN AGAIN BROTHERS AND SISTERS -- please don't be afraid of questions. Please don't be afraid to ask questions. When I was a committed Born Again Christian, although I was in err, I was only doing the best I could. But then I started to ask questions. So I encourage all my Christian brothers and sisters, do not tire of asking questions. For no being can ever do any better than it knows. The more you know, the better you can do. And to know more, you must question more. But please allow yourself the gift of asking questions. And there are no wrong or bad questions...
“The only thing that can be loved, it is the truth. The only thing that can love the truth, it is love. There is nothing else with which you can love the truth. You cannot have any idea of the truth, if you do not love. You will have an idea of the truth only if you love it.”
Adonai…
The same way SCHOLARS in general LEAVE, they also RETURN - and there are others who join as a "new" believers. Many scientists doctors professors, all walks of life,
etc... A nice youtube video testifying of their visions and opinions why they decide to become Christians or re-join their faith would be awesome as well.
Many more people putting the nonsense behind them than joining the delusion!
No 😂 that's not true at all. There is an Exodus of acadamics leaving Xtianity.
@@mirandahotspring4019 just what i was thinking, well said😆
10 hours lol. Surely this is just putting together videos I've already seen from you 😊
And that's a bad thing?
😂
The saying goes, " Some smart people are also stupid at the same time".
I am a self studied Bible student ,my child hood life was horrific to say rhe least full of abuse by parents and relatives ,Father left when I was 4 mother married her bother in law that beat me almost every day rab away at 12 was brought back to them ran away or left at 18 .was an athiest even though was baptised as a Chathic.
Studied Aristole ,plato,all phylosphi on my own for years ,Found Christ in Jail,studied harder then any scholar,could ,was kicked out with my family more than adozen times by all major Churches for being arguementive ,today i teach simble bible study to Inmates and Love seeing God use me to pray for them and speak for them too.Concluded that all acadamia teach doctrines of devils .Miller is right Satan speaks through "mtyhology and Legends "Isa 19:3 Ps 58:5 not God.Shalom.e.m and I love my bible best book of wisdom ever!
I am 62yrs old fyi.
Praise the Lord
Dude, no doubt you need a God.. good for you.
do you think ignorance is a virtue?
what a beautiful testimony
I feel fortunate that i lost my faith after a single year, on the day of my baptism, because three church started praying for every other denomination under the sun. I thought we were all Christians but at that point realized the lie.
It's about control.
I dont understand. What did you think was wrong with praying for other denominations? What did i miss?
@@Plethorality praying for them because "they are wrong and going to hell" even though they believe in the same god. The same god who, so they told me, just needed to be accepted as your savior.
Proof that critical thinking skills will turn any evangelical into leaving it all behind. Facts and logic win in the end. What took you all so long? I left the Catholic Church in the 80's as a teen.
Excellent program ! The honesty and integrity of these former bible believers and their courage to COME OUT of their beliefs in these bronze / iron age myths , stories and shaman invented stories endeavoring to explain mysterious phenomena which our sciences how explained coherently ! Breaking the spell of these nonsensical beliefs is difficult but these interviews are a good start in that direction !
Hmm methinks you give too much credence to what people say because their statements agree with your position. A man can call himself a scholar, but if he spends a lifetime twisting the meanings of the things he studies to reflect his own personal biases, I would be hard pressed to call then honest. They weren't even honest with themselves. I'm growing weary of all of these conversion videos, either converting to/from faith or to/from catholicism / protestantism. All with the express intent of influencing people's decision making. None of it can be thought of as genuine. It's all putting on a show for the audience. I have better things to do with the next 10.5 hours of my life. It's easy to convince yourself to believe/disbelieve anything if it justifies your choices, even if superficially.
That's not going to fly on judgement day.
Romans 1
For God’s wrath is revealed from heaven against all godlessness and unrighteousness of people who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth, since what can be known about God is evident among them, because God has shown it to them. For His invisible attributes, that is, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen since the creation of the world, being understood through what He has made. As a result, people are without excuse.
@@davissalaki8703 If you arent poor you go to hell says Jesus.
“The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, because He has anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor.” (Luke 4:18
My wife wanted to be married in a "church" so she chose the Greek Orthodox church. We started attending and right away i was struck with what was going on during the "services".
I was raised a protestant Christen. I was never exposed to Catholic (Orthodox) teachings and ritual. So i was taken back with all the ritualistic pomp and ritual integrated into the weekly service.
In the Orthodox system, it is VERY ritualistic and repeditive playing out rituals handed down over many centuries .
I came to the following conclusion:
1)... The Orthodox church is a Pauline creation interwoven with pegan rituals the "Gentile" converts centuries ago practiced when worshiping their god or gods.
2)... In the past, most lay people could not read ir had access to the Biblical scrolls. So they relied on the "father" or priest to tell them scriptural "truth" and reverance for the scriptures and what it contains.
3)... The rituals gave the ignorant congrogation of former pegans a sence of worship and reverance while at the same time being spoon fed small snippets of selected portions of scripture. Back in the day, this ceremonial "worship"was common in pegan temples of worship where the priest had the rare literacy skills to read the "sacred texts" and interprit them for the illiterate masses.
4)... Today, what was once only accessable to the initiated or literate is available to all. So, all these rituilistic traditions of centuries past is unnecessary.
There is a reason why at one time the church outlawed the possession and reading of the Bible outside the clergy class. This video and several other Biblical scholorly study videos, books and research volumes based on history and research expose the truth so long hidden (on purpose) to the lay person.
"You will know the truth and the truth shal set you free".
I am not a scholar but i left x-tianity. I did not leave out of haste. I was a preacher. I saw a lot of hate among me members be so hateful towards each other but during g the service they acted like nothing was wrong. I stayed in x-tianity for about 10 to 15 years. I did my own research and looked within my self. As of late the mega churches really has pushed me away and all the hypocrisy in religion.
The word God in Hebrew is Elohim, its plural, it means gods. The "gods" were the stars. So Genesis 1:1 should be read as "In the beginning the stars created the heaven and the earth" Which makes more sense.
@62wyo Have you read the Quran?
@@LogicStandsBeforeGod according to hadith al bukhari Muhammed had intercourse with a 9 year old child when he was 54 years old. Clearly man made religion.
Man what a great session. Dr Monger, Derek is so right- you can make such a difference with your education. I can see you becoming the next Matt Dillahunty.
You have the education/credentials and so you have that historical knowledge to educate and free people of ignorance. You and Derek are good dudes doing good work.
Let hope not matt dillahunty is a bully and doesn't know what a woman is😂
Exactly@@missypead2293. Derek could be much more than Matt Dillahunty could ever be.
I previously commented on my atheism, which is neo-atheism actually. Now that I've grown for 5 decades I find the misogyny of the Bible to be affecting me with overwhelming broken heart. The note of how deep cutting it is in everyday life is shocking. I have to come to grips with my own attitude for so long, which didn't notice, so I couldn't care. I feel disgusted now, with my younger self, and the world around me. Simple attitudes permeate our culture with this disgusting moral being in play. Women, in the bible, are simply property. You are not a man if you give your entire love to a woman says the book. The "loving" god these people keep talking about? It's not there, it is evil if anything, but the love is not there, sorry. Gr8! Peace ☮💜Love
It is also trauma to try to pretend you are a believer so you don’t disappoint your family and friends. Have done it for many years, and really struggling with it,
. I knew at the age of 5 when I lost my faith, but didn’t tell. It was when my older brother started making fun of me for believing in Santa clause. After that I started doubting a lot of the stuff my loving folks told me.
Loving folks who messed up with Santa i did the same with my daughter unfortunately. You must be born again. You cannot force yourself to believe or just pretend. Your situation is not good you need the Holy Spirit.
@@PhilipBaker-sf4yv Yes ankther imagined friend is what you need. When you can't belief in Harry Potter then Hermione will help you.
I’ve been listening to this over the course of a week and I have to say, you guys are incredible! You hit so many points that I’ve struggled with and I loved seeing how different everyone’s stories were from each other! Great video, love your work! 👏
If only Islamic scholars felt the same there may be peace in the world - at last.
Different, thanks for your opinions and all your hard work Sir. Its good to see different thinking...
Jewish Crimes from Time to Time.:
The hatred and conspiracy of the Jewish Rabbis with Herod the Great King of the Jews, against the baby Jesus who was born in Bethlehem, ordered the execution of all boys aged two years and under in all of Bethlehem. (Matthew 2:16-18)…And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled (Luke 21:24).
GOD HIMSELF HAS PUNISHED THE JEWS FOR THEIR SIN
1. Battle of Badr in Medina
2. Expulsion from Africa.
3.Holocaust in Germany
Peace,
Zionis Kristen
Thank you so much you bring forth the best topics 💯👏👏
This is Great 👍
Has anyone actually had an encounter with and been saved by Jesus like i have??
If you have had the emotions of being saved, that doesn't mean that there is a God that saved you, it only means that you are a human with emotions.
@ronaldlindeman6136 wrong. I had an encounter with Him in Spirit. After He woke me up stripped me of sin, healed me physically, and changed my mind and heart. That is not emotional. That is spiritual and physical.
@@Truthseed313 People from the Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, etc., all say the same thing happened during their Religious experience. People who used to be Christian and now don't think Christianity is true will tell you those are human emotions they were feeling and not from some God, once they figured it out.
@@Truthseed313 Yes, I did. I went from being an atheist and not believing in God and then one day God showed me that everything I thought I knew, was wrong. I then spent the next 5 years walking around shaking as He showed me things that I did not believe in. It has been an amazing 32 odd years and I know where I am standing. On the Rock. The parable of the sower Matt 13:3-9.