Interesting video! To start off, what discs are local and where you play might dictate what discs are purchased. Flight numbers are not standardized across brands. My bag is mostly Trilogy due to consistency for me in northern Cali. Austin Turner, PM and PP threw Vultures and Forces for varying periods.
Dude I havnt seen you in a while. My buddy gave me a gift credit card and I just bought a back up disc I needed. Next time I will look up your store, I like your vide…
I personally don’t like champion or Z line just because of the feel. They always seem harder and less grippy than a star or esp plastic. I also don’t like that those plastics are known to make a disc more stable. There have been times that I’ve used that to my advantage though. When I first started I really liked champion mambas. The champ plastic helped make it just stable enough that I could get max distance out of them.
Some random comments: - KT throws Harp. Competes with zone. Deeper than zone and zone is in *ALL* plastics by now. - Nord is fine on BH but FHs bad. - Maverick is fine, have it in my bag on and off. Is a bit slower than 7 imo. Zack Melton throws it.
What overshadows the Vulture? My first Trail from one of the beefier runs, for one. Can't even blame under-powering it, because they're both 10 | 5's, and the Trail consistently gets the same or more right to left movement than the Vulture.
@@xcfjdyrkdtulkgfilhu Yeah the Trail is significantly more popular than the Vulture. I think it comes down to what professionals throw and I don't know of many that throw the Vulture.
I love the Justice and I taught myself how to FH with it, but it’s interesting that you say that. I purchased my 4th one, and it was definitely not as beefy as the other 3.
@ yes, and definitely all beefy, but the red lucid I just got actually glides a little on BH and doesn’t just dump hard left and on FH it definitely glides more. I’d say my justice is my bag is noticeably more stable than my zone, but the odd red one is less stable than my zone. That’s all based on my old man 300 foot (on a good day) arm speed.
Opaque means you cannot see through it. Which would be like Innova Star plastic. I think you mean transparent or translucent plastic which is what that Champion Beast would be considered.
@@TheDiscZone All good, just letting you know if you didn't. I enjoyed the video. It's interesting to see what is or isn't selling because I just live in my little disc golf bubble. lol
The Savant isn’t a bad disc. I agree with you that sometimes it flies indistinguishable from a Thunderbird. Some of the Halo Valkyries mirror the flight also.
I feel like courses in the 831 require putter and driver tee more than midrange shots for most ppl that i play with! I don’t see a lot of mids getting thrown
Bag a Harp and a Maverick, my bro bags a RocX3 and Justice. That particular Harp is a great run, really nice and overstable. Trilogy just doesn't have much of a presence on the pro scene since Discraft sponsors half the field now. But Ricky, Matty O and Kristin Lätt all throw Harps so if you know, you know.
My 2 cents: Savant, has some flip to my arm but as you said, doesn’t like to fly DD molds: aren’t really popular, what I’ve heard is the naming convention. Personally I like the felon bc they were half off and flat and the slammer is the only other mold I like bc it’s a unique slot Discraft molds: personally hate all the plastics outside the Jawbreaker Z Flx, they just feel horrible so I don’t bother The overstable mid slot: agreed with thoughts, fast ground play and shot shapes don’t call for overstable mids, throwing an envy/approach disc or bumping up to a straight mid/stable fairway most of the time Harp: Zone>
😅 I'm crying, the Westside Harp is the one disc I throw on almost EVERY hole. It is generally considered a kind of "cult" disc. I prefer it in BT Hard plastic.
@@TheDiscZone Very big skips on forehand, more so than the Swarm, I bag both, Justice for daytime since I can find a glow Justice and Swarm for glow rounds. Super soft Justice is the option if you want to avoid the flare skip way past the basket.
I play in the rocky desert a lot so champion plastic holds up much better. I threw a beast as an early driver. It handled lower arm speed well. Now that my armspeed is better it's flippy, but that's still useful in my bag.
@TheDiscZone Yeah it holds up, but the champion is holding up slightly better. The Star definitely doesn't, but Halo Star is better. The desert rocks are BRUTAL on discs. If I had a store, I'd have it in the desert LOL, because of how much shorter disc lifespans are there. The champion texture isn't that bad once you get used to it, but it is different at first. I travel and play in trees in the summer, and do get used to tackier plastics then.
a slammer comes to mind for ricky as well, so it might not have quite as strong an association with a top pro as the zone or toro does. also, DD is just isn’t thrown the most out here
@@TheDiscZone I think Innova should discontinue the Savant, and Discraft should discontinue the Vulture (or Anax). They're just so damn similar they don't need both.
Everyone around here throw Buzz’s I’ve had like five of them and I don’t like them. The buzz reminds me of a Rock which I don’t like either. I’d rather just rip a Pig straight at it
You said the Force Ellis is the only one you know of. Doss bags only Forces. Mcbeth all Force, Hammes is Force only. Force for me is my Overstable disc overall Disc. Mcbeth still throws some Vultures. Not as much as he used to. For me 13 speed discs are not my cup of tea. I am not a sponsored player. But Discraft is all i throw. You will never see me bag a INNOVA disc. Thats just my Opinion. Have a good holidays
Makes sense. It's most likely just the area I live in. I used to throw a force for a while as well and loved it. Maybe it's just a plastic preference in the Forces. Do you throw a lot of Z plastic stuff? Happy holidays.
@ mostly ESP. I don’t have no pro power. 300 my norm. Zeus and Force are my go to overstable. The recycled ESP tends to for some reason be a lil less over stable with the force. Thrasher is my main thrower for distance.
Sexton throws the savant Brodie, Mcbeth, fish all throw the Vulture As for the force.. Doss, ellis, mcbeth, prez, literally every discraft pro throws it. 🤦
Really? People at your store actually bought active line from discmania? I cant imagine the majesty, astronaut, rockstar, magician and maestro selling better than even a pizza box
It’s the cost factor. I worked part time at a disc shop and we definitely moved some of those. I agree with you on the disc but the cost and “new look” is appealing to some new players I guess.
I don’t think you meant opaque. Opaque is not transparent like the Champion plastic. Examples of opaque would be Star plastic, DX plastic, Neutron plastic, etc. Opaque plastic does not let light pass through it. Very informative post. More, please.
At the store I was working at, they never moved. We only sold some when we marked it down by a lot since we wanted to make room. The pizza box was a joke but fr that's what's surprises me haha. Harps did us pretty well since we had a good amount of diehard trilogy throwers haha
I bag a savant and anax over a thunderbird people dont throw dynamic discs anywhere. I personally dont want duscs named after the justice system. As a felon i used one for a bit as a kind of joke but see they recently released "the Jury" so lame
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Love the Justice. Everyone should have one at some point. The Savant is good for touch forehand and power backhand. Kind of a two in one disc.
@@trevorwischhusen2869 Yeah, I would agree. Definitely two highly underrated discs.
I've bagged a Maverick and Beast. An Innova IT and Gorgon are now in those slots.
@@cosmolean Understandable. Seems like most of these molds are replacable by more popular stuff.
Interesting video! To start off, what discs are local and where you play might dictate what discs are purchased. Flight numbers are not standardized across brands. My bag is mostly Trilogy due to consistency for me in northern Cali.
Austin Turner, PM and PP threw Vultures and Forces for varying periods.
Dude I havnt seen you in a while. My buddy gave me a gift credit card and I just bought a back up disc I needed. Next time I will look up your store, I like your vide…
I personally don’t like champion or Z line just because of the feel. They always seem harder and less grippy than a star or esp plastic. I also don’t like that those plastics are known to make a disc more stable. There have been times that I’ve used that to my advantage though. When I first started I really liked champion mambas. The champ plastic helped make it just stable enough that I could get max distance out of them.
Ah that makes sense! I don't know why I forgot that Champion plastic is more stable. I'm sure the Champion Mamba is a bomber. Thanks for your comment!
Some random comments:
- KT throws Harp. Competes with zone. Deeper than zone and zone is in *ALL* plastics by now.
- Nord is fine on BH but FHs bad.
- Maverick is fine, have it in my bag on and off. Is a bit slower than 7 imo. Zack Melton throws it.
What overshadows the Vulture? My first Trail from one of the beefier runs, for one. Can't even blame under-powering it, because they're both 10 | 5's, and the Trail consistently gets the same or more right to left movement than the Vulture.
@@xcfjdyrkdtulkgfilhu Yeah the Trail is significantly more popular than the Vulture. I think it comes down to what professionals throw and I don't know of many that throw the Vulture.
I love the Justice and I taught myself how to FH with it, but it’s interesting that you say that. I purchased my 4th one, and it was definitely not as beefy as the other 3.
@@davesage4931 Did you buy each of them in the Lucid plastic? I would expect most of them to be fairly beefy.
@ yes, and definitely all beefy, but the red lucid I just got actually glides a little on BH and doesn’t just dump hard left and on FH it definitely glides more. I’d say my justice is my bag is noticeably more stable than my zone, but the odd red one is less stable than my zone. That’s all based on my old man 300 foot (on a good day) arm speed.
@@davesage4931 Interesting. Thanks for your reply!
Opaque means you cannot see through it. Which would be like Innova Star plastic. I think you mean transparent or translucent plastic which is what that Champion Beast would be considered.
@@thejasonblackburn Bro, I know I'm sorry 🥲. I had a brain fart while filming lol.
@@TheDiscZone All good, just letting you know if you didn't. I enjoyed the video. It's interesting to see what is or isn't selling because I just live in my little disc golf bubble. lol
I scramble with a Justice ALL THE TIME, it’s my go to four-hand upshot disc.
I throw the rocx3, but mine is in champion plastic for that extra beef. It's my main OS approach disc.
I love the harp, have it in VIP ice glimmer. I don't forehand it though, too deep for me.
How does it fly backhand? Is it pretty overstable?
@@TheDiscZone I don't feel it is as overstable as my zone, maybe closer to the tempo. At least for me
The Savant isn’t a bad disc. I agree with you that sometimes it flies indistinguishable from a Thunderbird. Some of the Halo Valkyries mirror the flight also.
@@TherealPapaDogP Yeah I agree. Savant is highly underrated.
I love that there’s no Discmania discs on the lists🔥
Good concept!
Surprised at the Maverick. It was my favorite beginner driver for awhile when I first started. Okay, Harp shocked me.
@@brianc1651 I can't believe either of those made the list either. Do you bag a Harp?
I feel like courses in the 831 require putter and driver tee more than midrange shots for most ppl that i play with! I don’t see a lot of mids getting thrown
Bag a Harp and a Maverick, my bro bags a RocX3 and Justice. That particular Harp is a great run, really nice and overstable. Trilogy just doesn't have much of a presence on the pro scene since Discraft sponsors half the field now. But Ricky, Matty O and Kristin Lätt all throw Harps so if you know, you know.
My 2 cents:
Savant, has some flip to my arm but as you said, doesn’t like to fly
DD molds: aren’t really popular, what I’ve heard is the naming convention. Personally I like the felon bc they were half off and flat and the slammer is the only other mold I like bc it’s a unique slot
Discraft molds: personally hate all the plastics outside the Jawbreaker Z Flx, they just feel horrible so I don’t bother
The overstable mid slot: agreed with thoughts, fast ground play and shot shapes don’t call for overstable mids, throwing an envy/approach disc or bumping up to a straight mid/stable fairway most of the time
Harp: Zone>
@@ryanliu3455 All valid points. I agree with everything.
😅 I'm crying, the Westside Harp is the one disc I throw on almost EVERY hole. It is generally considered a kind of "cult" disc. I prefer it in BT Hard plastic.
Absolutely love the Vulture!
@@HyzerMyzer Definitely a highly underrated mold
I really enjoy the justice for fore hands
@@brandondaniels5634 Is it pretty overstable?
@@TheDiscZone Very big skips on forehand, more so than the Swarm, I bag both, Justice for daytime since I can find a glow Justice and Swarm for glow rounds. Super soft Justice is the option if you want to avoid the flare skip way past the basket.
I love the flight of the harp but too deep… this list makes sense to me… have to be careful with discs that are too stable bc scary for ams.
@@discbee9107 Thanks for your comment. What approach disc do you use instead? Toro?
I play in the rocky desert a lot so champion plastic holds up much better. I threw a beast as an early driver. It handled lower arm speed well. Now that my armspeed is better it's flippy, but that's still useful in my bag.
@@erickyoung8331 That makes sense. Have you tried Halo Star plastic as well? Definitely just as durable and consistent as Champion plastic.
@TheDiscZone Yeah it holds up, but the champion is holding up slightly better. The Star definitely doesn't, but Halo Star is better. The desert rocks are BRUTAL on discs. If I had a store, I'd have it in the desert LOL, because of how much shorter disc lifespans are there.
The champion texture isn't that bad once you get used to it, but it is different at first. I travel and play in trees in the summer, and do get used to tackier plastics then.
a slammer comes to mind for ricky as well, so it might not have quite as strong an association with a top pro as the zone or toro does. also, DD is just isn’t thrown the most out here
Vulture is totally slept on.
I always think of mcbeth throwing a force
I love my champion Beast!
Vulture works fine, but it overlaps way too much with the Anax. Same with the Savant and Thunderbird.
@@twmccoy100 I'm not sure if they should retool each of those molds or try to market them differently.
@@TheDiscZone I think Innova should discontinue the Savant, and Discraft should discontinue the Vulture (or Anax). They're just so damn similar they don't need both.
I throw the Beast pretty frequently.
@@mckayandersen5858 Does it serve as your hyzer flip distance driver or something else?
@ Yes distance. I don’t have such a great arm so I don’t throw the faster discs.
Nate Sexton throws the savant
It's a already beat in thunderbird
Everyone around here throw Buzz’s I’ve had like five of them and I don’t like them. The buzz reminds me of a Rock which I don’t like either. I’d rather just rip a Pig straight at it
You said the Force Ellis is the only one you know of. Doss bags only Forces. Mcbeth all Force, Hammes is Force only. Force for me is my Overstable disc overall Disc. Mcbeth still throws some Vultures. Not as much as he used to. For me 13 speed discs are not my cup of tea. I am not a sponsored player. But Discraft is all i throw. You will never see me bag a INNOVA disc. Thats just my Opinion. Have a good holidays
Makes sense. It's most likely just the area I live in. I used to throw a force for a while as well and loved it. Maybe it's just a plastic preference in the Forces. Do you throw a lot of Z plastic stuff? Happy holidays.
@ mostly ESP. I don’t have no pro power. 300 my norm. Zeus and Force are my go to overstable. The recycled ESP tends to for some reason be a lil less over stable with the force. Thrasher is my main thrower for distance.
No Discmania there...🛡
@@DiscGolfDouche Facts. Discmania was pretty middle of the pack for my shop.
Sexton throws the savant
Brodie, Mcbeth, fish all throw the Vulture
As for the force.. Doss, ellis, mcbeth, prez, literally every discraft pro throws it.
🤦
Forgot that Sexton throws the Savant. Anthony Barela, arguably the best and most popular Discraft pro, doesn't throw the Force.
@ but every single other player does when you said "pros dont throw the force"
Really? People at your store actually bought active line from discmania? I cant imagine the majesty, astronaut, rockstar, magician and maestro selling better than even a pizza box
It’s the cost factor. I worked part time at a disc shop and we definitely moved some of those. I agree with you on the disc but the cost and “new look” is appealing to some new players I guess.
@@Kennb19 I don't really have a lot of Active line discs from Discmania. I think I only have the Essence and Instinct, which sell fairly well.
I don’t think you meant opaque. Opaque is not transparent like the Champion plastic. Examples of opaque would be Star plastic, DX plastic, Neutron plastic, etc. Opaque plastic does not let light pass through it. Very informative post. More, please.
At the store I was working at, they never moved. We only sold some when we marked it down by a lot since we wanted to make room. The pizza box was a joke but fr that's what's surprises me haha. Harps did us pretty well since we had a good amount of diehard trilogy throwers haha
@@davesage4931 I can understand that I wish I had that success when I tried hahaha
I bag a savant and anax over a thunderbird people dont throw dynamic discs anywhere. I personally dont want duscs named after the justice system. As a felon i used one for a bit as a kind of joke but see they recently released "the Jury" so lame