To be highly skilled requires many hours of FOCUSED prayer, FOCUSED practice and INTENSE study - working a full time job, plus doing side gigs robs musicians of FOCUSED TIME that could otherwise be spent catering specially to the house of worship and serving in excellence. If your church will invite a guest speaker, singer etc and compensates them for their TIME and SERVICE, but never invest back into you and your skillset, they are out of order! Yes, serve God with your gifts, but understand that money allows you time away from hustling other side gigs to focus and "perfect" & properly cultivate your giftings, talents and worship unto God.
When my son was younger, he was commissioned to play for a church concert for $200. After spending hours learning 8 songs, 4 rehearsals and a 2 hour concert……they handed him a check for $75. We were told that the Pastor’s WIFE decided $200 was too much🙄. I was LIVID! Needless to say, Mama got involved and a few days later my son received the rest of his money. The next year, they asked him to play AGAIN……..his fee was MUCH higher and it was paid up front.
Dont call it SERVICE if you REQUIRE finances. Its good the church considers it, but whetever you do, do it unto the Lord. I serve God fulltime but dont get paid. I know what it means to spend your own money and time. I am a minister who is called to serve.
If you get your vision cleared from this world, you'll see all the work you do is for God and you can't care less about money. Seek Gods kingdom first! Everything else he will take care of. If you can't manage to pay the bills because you are spending so much time with practicing your music, maybe it isn't God's plan for you. What are the motives to play in Church? Really liking music? Honour of men? Not being able to say no when asked? Please let in everything to serve God be your motive! And the sentence: never invest back to you? Are you even listening to the gospel they are preaching? Isn't that investing back in to you? And if it feels like your church isn't investing in to you, what are you doing it for? Are you really seeking treasure's in heaven?
I play drums for a medium sized church and have been blessed to simply serve. Never thought about any type of compensation. There was some benifits though like getting to know the church staff better, getting recognized in the congragation, thus making friendships a lot easier. What a blessing to serve on stage and experience the presence of God while worshipping.
Then there is the majority of us who work a full-time job while trying to be highly skilled, all while raising a family. I can confirm that it’s the most frustrating thing for someone who is a musician at heart!
That is why you pray and ask God to strengthen you. When you minister in your craft, all types of problems will come your way. Especially if God chose you for this ministry. The bible says the enemy will come to kill,steal, and destroy. But before you minister, I encourage you to pray and ask God to strengthen you so you can be faithful in your service. Its not by your own might or power but thru God who strengthens you.
@@HybridMusiciansThe text you are using is being used wrongfully. The text you are referring to is in James 2:14-26. It speaks of "Faith without works is dead." Is there a difference of Work and Works? Works is a demonstartion of your Faith. In other words, your action based on faith. Example: Abraham was ready and obedient to God to sacrifice his son and he was commended for that. In your case, it is the act of playing with the church. That is your spiritual act of worship. It maybe true you need to work at your craft and continue learning, but the act of playing for the Lord is your 'works'.
I'm a pastor and worship leader at our church, and ever since I was a teenager, I've never felt in my heart the desire to get paid for my ministry. I freely received it and freely give it back to our God. The same applies for music lessons. I personally don't feel right getting paid for my ministry as a pastor or musician. The way I see it is that if the local church wants to pay their ministers, they can. But because the church agrees that that is how they want to function. The Apostle Paul made a case for teaching the church to take care of its ministers, but he also preferred not to receive money for his ministry because he didn't want it to affect his testimony. So, although he could and had a right to, he chose not to for sake of the gospel. Money is a sensitive topic for many and a stumbling block for others whether they give or receive. As far as the levites are concerned, they actually had no other choice. God set them aside specifically to minister. The situation is different between us and them. Their "payments" were actually more of a sustenance. The nation of Israel was expected to provide for them via their offerings and tithes. We can have land inherentance for example, they couldn't. But like them, our best inherentance is God, not money or anything we can buy with money. He will provide for us. We should be happy with what we have and don't have. Give thanks to God in any and every situation we find ourselves in.
Respect Pastor. I agree with certain points you made. Where I disagree is that we are different that the Levites. As a gospel musician, I believe I’m required to return to God my gifts, and perfect my gifts. Similar to the 10, 5 and 1 talents. I feel as if your saying that I have the right to bury my talent and be named a wicked servant. Let me know if I’m wrong. Now, real talk - those same skilled players oftentimes end up playing in places other than church because they need to eat, keep a roof, maintain a vehicle, maintain their instruments, and the list goes on. What if the church were to complete for their services rather than them using their talent in the world. In a way, that church becomes a stumbling block if they are able to pay, but choose not to. To be completely transparent, I play for free at my church. But I’m a novice at my instrument. But I’ve been blessed to play with some great players who I learn from.
@lbranom3310 we were given our musical gifts so that we could exclusively worship God with them. I don't feel right playing music that is not worshipping God. Much less to make it my career. The way I see it is I can't serve two masters. Consider this, how would it look if the High Priest in the Tabernacle had a side job worshipping other gods to make ends meet? He would utterly profane the Tabernacle. Now, God deserves OUR best worship, and we should strive to perfect our skills. BUT God never demanded this from us. So saying that we should get paid because we spend time practicing and studying to be better musicians so that we could present a better performance has nothing to do what God ask from us as musicians or from the church. Worshipping in spirit and truth can actually be done without music to begin with. It's a privilege that we have to minister before God and to lead the worship, not a right. Now, the talent parable has nothing to do with gifts such as music. A "talent" was worth years of wages. Some estimate about 20 years' worth for each talent. That's why, towards the end, the master rebukes the servant for not putting the talent in the bank so that he could collect interest from the talent. The parable has more to do with multiplying what God has asked us to do. Spread the gospel, make more disciples. Multiply as believers and not hide the truth of the gospel. We, as believers, are like the levites when it comes to purpose only. To serve before God. Applying the payment aspect of it doesn't hold water because ALL believers are now priests before God in a sense. Does that mean that every believer should get paid? Or if you want to get paid like the levites, are you willing to get circumcised as well? Because they were required to do so. How about keeping the Sabbath? Yeah, it's like comparing apples to oranges. I'm not the best musician in the world, far from it. I'm not even the best I could be, but when I worship God, I try my best to do it with all my heart, and I think that is all God asks for. You can be the fanciest musician, with the greatest licks and arrangements, but if you do it to receive glory from others instead of God, then God isn't interested. As musicians, we are very susceptible to being conceited and self-centered. Vain. But if our heart is in the right place and for the right reasons, then the simplest arrangement will be like a pleasing aroma before God.
@@lbranom3310 It's a personal choice to make. It's okay to step down from the worship team if you want to use your musical skills for events or gigs to support yourself financially. The only thing you might miss is not just your musical talent, but also the feeling of God's presence when you play. Some churches don't pay musicians because their finances depend on tithes and offerings. However, we can't force members to give, but we can teach them about the importance of tithes and offerings and let them decide whether or not to contribute. Lastly, if you have a true understanding of God's word and the importance of worshiping Him, then you should understand why churches may or may not pay their members for their service. However, if you don't understand or accept this concept, it comes down to your personal decision.
Uh oh you stirring the pot again and I love it! 1. If churches don't wanna pay, train up the youth in your church until they get good enough to demand market value for their gift. 2. Specialize people get paid, volunteers get appreciated. 3. Musicians, hear the maturity of KC when it comes to money. He started on a low end, then he got paid well, and now his quality of life allows him to just recerve 100% donation. Know your worth, but be caught chasing your assignment rather than the highest dollar. Your legacy & inheritance is there.
If you are going to train them you still need to pay if the play my son get on I pay him with my money you play you need to pay I adjust my pay according to the size of the church. I feel in all the time. Big church 200 small 100 to the low of 50.
Well, I've been playing for over 20years and I never ask for pay. I'm ok serving God with my talent BUT THAT IS MY CHOICE. GOD HAD A PROPER WELFARE PLAN FOR MUSICIANS AND THOSE WHO SERVED AT THE ALTAR. I think every church should have that plan for her musician . What I understand from this video is that you should create an environment to favour the spiritual focus of the musician. Over here in Nigeria, we always have a way to handle our matters😊
@@GaxtonOkobah What you doing is fine.....as long as you dont believe yourself above or better than those who demand pay...... as soon as you think this way....all blessings are lost...
I play for free at my church. The church shows it's appreciation though. Playing for free is what I wanted. I can focus on the music and bringing in the Spirit. I play guitar.
I worked for a large church in the media and all the musicians that played services, special events, and such were paid. It's a matter of respect and the pay wasn't fantastic but good enough that they wanted the gigs. They were all working pro so it was some extra money for an easy gig. They all were also members of the church. We tried to make the gig as easy possible for them. In general no rehearsals except for big special events they all had great ears. The sound check before service was when most learned the tune for the guest artist at each service. If more time was needed they would all go to one of the utility rooms to go over the tune(s) before the praise part of service started. The music in the service was placed where so they didn't have to stay on the stage during main part of service. They played praise then not long after that the guest artist would do their first tune. After that the band box was set so they could slide out and go outside where we had coffee and snacks for people working the service. The music assistant would stay inside and when she notice the Rev was winding up she would go and tell the band time to come back in and slide into the band box. Band would play for the guest artist second tune, then play the offertory, and remain on stage till the end of service. The Rev's wife was the Choir Director and was a Jazz artist herself in past and that is why the musicians were treated respectfully. We had a list of musician that wanted to play and we rotated through them to get them all a chance to make some money and also keep from burning out if they played all three sunday services and Wednesday night service. So yes church musicians should be paid it is a job and it requires a certain level of proficiency that takes years to develop and need to be compensated for. Anyone who works for the church deserves to get paid. I started at the church as a volunteer being in service to the church. As time went on they saw I had skills they needed regularly and I was hired part-time. As things progress I became a full time media employee.
Church musicians should get paid or their service considered a part of their overall giving... as in a part of their tithe... I was in a situation where I was a volunteer church musician doing services WEEKLY without being paid and expected to give my tithe financially as well as was treated like they were doing me a favor by letting me on the worship team and not like I was doing them a favor by volunteering so much. I had to pay for my instruments. I had to prepare for service every week that I did not get paid for and this took time away from focusing on doing my music as a profession. Professionalism was expected. The pastor and his wife were NOT people that had our family’s back. We were struggling financially. The pastor’s wife went on a vacation out of the country while my family was struggling financially to replace our dishwasher. Yet I was advised that my giving was not to be considered in place of the tithe giving. We were short at the end of the year almost exactly what we tithed to the pastor and his wife so they could live their posh lifestyle. Ugh. I will never do this again. If I was considered a rank amature where they were doing me a favor by letting me on the worship team, why even put me on that team! God deserves the best! Yes... musicians should be paid. I realize not all churches can swing this but if they can they should.
Simple truth, I always tell young musicians, become skillful at your craft so pastors have no choice but to pay you. Personally, I don’t take a salary anymore, I’ll do my best to be available for Gods service.
I was an unpaid mucian at church and it was extremely expensive for me to perfect my craft. So much that l had to persue another career. I agree with you 100%
The same to me , I work from Monday to Saturday and I find no time to do practice and eventually when you get to play, they want more from me as a drummer and it's embarrassing. this all comes to no facilitation
KC, this video was absolutely wholesome. Thank you. You touched on the economics of the matter too. Few people in a church can play the piano well and play in every key without transposing. Fewer people can play the organ well and with their feet. If nothing else, this is a matter of basic economics. The DEMAND is HIGH for excellent musicians or even relatively decent musicians. But the SUPPLY to meet this demand is LOW. Not everyone can play and more importantly, not everyone loves Jesus Christ. When demand is high for something but the supply to meet that demand is low, the supplier (musician in this case) should not only be paid but be paid very well.
Amen. I play CCM so I do it for free and I'm also retired so I have an income. You're right Gospel is much harder than CCM but not unlearnable and not hard to learn either. I just don't like gospel music. Even CCM musicians should be paid, they still have to buy equipment, practice and be at rehearsals and service all Sunday too.
As a professional musician, I have Been serving in church bands giving 100% week to week four years. I don’t just show up, I rehearse I go over everything making sure every single detail is excellent. It wore me out. Getting paid would make a massive difference
I have bought all of your content because as an older musician, it is great to have something so easy to follow. If I had your stuff early in my career I may have won all kinds of awards by now. This is a great video. I've been a working church musician since I was 12 years old and received $30 per month as a salary. I've played for churches that paid musicians and I have played for those that didn't. Over 40 years I've seen this debate go back and forth and I will say this - if the musician is a blessing to the church then the church should be a blessing to the musician. In college, I worked full-time as a TSA, 20 hours in the engineering lab, and played for 3 different churches in 3 different cities to get through college (I was an electrical engineering major with a whole load of classes simultaneously). I was so exhausted that I fell asleep in the middle of the day while driving and totaled my car. I'm blessed to be alive. A friend of mine that played for the college choir told me about a church that needed a musician. I reached out to them. I was interviewed and after the interview they hired me. That church paid me $200 a week to be the church musician and to work with 5 different choirs but that was enough money for me to get another car, get married to the love of my life, and graduate with my engineering degree. When the church as a whole starts to look at the roles they have that they can compensate I think they should. You don't know what that can do for a musician and his family. Biblically, I think in Number 18, it talks about how all the offerings were taken to take care of the temple. That included an offering for the Levites - the musicians. I could be wrong on that but I do believe it is right to take care of your musicians financially. Thanks for this video.
Mannn this is such an amazing testimony! To know that God provided a church home that also enabled you to succeed and thrive during your school days… Also a big BUG Thanks for the love and support of purchasing and supporting me through the years! Really REALLY means a lot! I don’t take it for granted! ☀️💚
Thank you so much KC . This video is so much a great deal of help. I thought the debate about musicians being paid is a topic of discuss in Africa only. Again, your thoughts are just same as mine. It's good professional musicians like you come out to clear the air for critics, especially non musicians.
Thanks KC. I've played all my life for free. But I've found it challenging sometimes. There was a church I played for in a village that didn't have a keyboard so I came with mine. I didn't have a car so I'd get a taxi. At the close of service, members would jump in their cars and drive off while I waited for my uber, standing at the gate with my keyboard...lol. I did get a ride once but no one ever talked about how I managed. And o...I was a student in a nearby city...just wanted to help out. But the least I expected was at least a ride back into town. I agree with you KC.
I should add I never complained. But I agree with KC. Not everyone will like to hear it but he's right. The purpose for it is what really matters....FOCUS!
This. The amount of time spent on practising and preparing material for a service/mass is enormous. And the time off from work, or from other events is a sacrifice. In the end, little stayed.
Great talking points, and I agree w/ your view on this! In fact, it’s a topic that has been on my mind ever since I first started playing in church about 25 years ago. And most churches do NOT pay, and it’s been a massive challenge for me to deal with, cope with and live with. I could go on, but will just say this video was very helpful and I think it also needed to be laid out clearly.. like you did. God bless, and peace✌️
PERFORMING OR SERVING? When I play professionally (at a club or party) I get paid for performing but when I play for church I offer it up as a thanksgiving to my Lord for allowing me to be able to serve Him with the gifts He has given me. Maybe that’s the difference . Are we performing for our Lord Jesus Christ or are we serving Him?
Except he said that ushers and the people counting the money out the back shouldn't be paid. It doesn't matter if they're skilled or unskilled, aren't they still workers?
You taking that out of context.....music isn't a requirement for church services.....nobody is supposed to profiting off God.....if you love God then you will gladly give that service to Him...
all musicians should be paid....not just the highly skilled.....Maybe paid less..... but still paid. LBJ makes the most money on his team.....but the guys at the end of the bench who never plays in a big game......put in some practice work.....and still get paid.....albeit much less than the highly skilled players.
This was an awesome video with lots of great points. I have been struggling with this same thing as a church drummer. You opened up my eyes to a lot and backed it with scripture too.
It's a topic that needs to be addressed more. It's great people want to volunteer in the church. They should; however, it should not be expected to never pay for work in God's House! That's just unbiblical! A worker is worth his wages!
PREACH BROTHER, PREACH‼️ Levites and Minstrels have to be taught the meaning of ministry but they should be paid. The Bible says a workman is worthy of its hire!
Levites are not the right group to compare in the OT if your going to compare to NT. The levites ministry is compleyed after what Christ accomplished and no longer needed for today. We need to be like David with a contrite heart. Thats why we worship the way we do. Our worship is out of our heart and not like the temple. If you want to copy that go to greek orthodox churches
So you should be paid according the time you spend to do something for your church? Nobody but you and your pastor put the stress on it, God just want humble and true heart worhship him, even with hands and lips only.
I was at a pastor's conference once and heard the speakers say the most awful thing, both huge mega churches had moved to non paid musicians, that's fine, it was the reason one of them gave that just took me out, I had to go talk to him afterward, he said, he looked up and saw the folks playing, and all the people that were around, and thought why are we paying them for this opportunity? This kind of exposure! - I'm like, does that logic work for you Pastor? Why is the church paying you to speak to so many people, you should be happy for the exposure! To date I haven't returned to that conference.
Your gifts and talents come from YAH! Humble yourself and no Elohim giveth and He taketh away. Lucifer was head of the choir in heaven, this is exactly where he is deceiving many members in church. Shalom
As a church musician myself. I kinda disagree. I believe musicians should be payed as "church staff" and not to just rock up to a rehearsal and play songs on Sunday and preacher chords. The levites didn't prepare privately away from the temple. So the musician should, in my opinion basically have a "9-to-5" at the church they play at. Spending hours at the church preparing for the Sunday service, training up the volunteer musicians, improving the overall structure of worship at that church so that there are no distractions etc. You should be more than rocking up to play on Sunday and rehearsing on a Thursday night.
I've discovered I'm a much better organizer and have better time management at home. the commute to and from church + other social distractions is a low payout for my attention and level of FOCUS. Especially with Zoom and Planning Center - home is a perfect setup for me...
I couldn’t agree more. The Levites also prepped the sacrifices, cleaned the temple, meditated on the word, and further in service of the church. I’m a drummer and I worked 10yrs to get to the skill that I’m at, but I also keep my gear clean and I help clean the stage and when they need help in anything in the church I’m there! This video has a very clear worldly view. The entire time advocating for making this just a job. Being a worshipper is NOT a job. It’s a ministry. You wanna make money as a musician, go play a rock concert. I focus (without getting paid) because I love playing and I love my service to the Lord. This is terrible for the new people starting in worship because it’s shifting their focus to pay rather than ministry. Ministry does not equal business.
Ministry is a sacrifice, if it’s “comfortable” then you’re doing it right. God didn’t call you to a life of comfort. As a matter of fact, 11 of the 12 apostles died as martyrs. If you don’t want that then you gotta choose a different religion
@@matiasgastou I don't think you understand the points made in the video, else you won't make such statements. Because of your choice of words and tone, I can say your comment about the video is unfortunate. You can have a different view concerning the matter in question, but you cannot run down his views like that because he equally made a lot of sense, both from a spiritual point of view and a logical point of view. I suggest you watch the video again, this time, with an open mind, to be able to well understand the points made. Thank you.
I think if you playing at a church, they could at least cover servicing of instruments. Like drum skins and sticks or guitar strings and cables. More so for part-time musicians. Full-time musicians should probably get paid if the fund are there. Anyways, great video KC
kC, you are truly blessed! I played at a Church over 20 years. Their outings, rehearsals, funerals and Church Services were all inclusive within the pay. After being loyal and dedicated to this one church they take it upon themselves to move rehearsal days so it doesn't fit my schedule. The pay wasn't even $400/wk and they taxed what they gave me. So I came to the conclusion that this situation was not going to work for me and parted ways.
This is great info and well put across. I am currently having a struggle with church folks inviting me to play-Funerals, Memorials, Thanksgivings and not giving a cent even though one brother I recently played at, boasted about the amount of money he just made working overtime. I guess he did not realize he was working me overtime. So I am currently making a list of stingy brethren to avoid in future. 😀. Music ministry takes money and yes-focus, if the minister wants to perform at the highest possible level. Donations act as an encouragement to maintain that excellence.
Where was this video 2 months ago😅. I wondering about this topic, because I’m a traveling song leader. After reading the scripture and few RUclips videos, I conclude that musicians should get paid; And yes, there are scriptures to back this up. Musicians/Song leaders are MINISTERS too, we relay the Word as well to the congregation, just like the Preacher. Thanks for this video
Thank you for this video! I still work not fulltime but enough to be able to do a few extra things but glory to God that the ministry thinks it not robbery to invest in me. And it gives me time to rest-recoup-perform duties without worry. I wanna be like KC when i grow up but anyways. The bible say to be content with what you have. And because of me being able to focus. I was able to accept award this past weekend for songwriter and i didnt have to say oh i gotta go to work cant attend that appreciation moment. So im just grateful! To God be the Glory!
Great sir you just said everything I'm a student and a musician a keyboardist at my church but all these years being there i not being paid a dine as a form of appreciation,,,, i think I'm going to share this to my pastor and other fellow musicians out there suffering
very unwise.....Better to be paid by God than by Man....... you wouldnt know I believed this based on my other comments in this same thread.... But we must feed milk to those who require it....and meat for those who may have started getting their teeth.
First of all this video was very informative and I could relate because I am a psalmists, I have 5 albums and churches contact me to minister in their church events, so I was able to relate with this video, and I agree that the keyboardist is a vital part in a church service but so is the guitarist and all the other members, Michael Jordan can not win an NBA game without the help of his team, I agree the keyboardist should be payed but all the other musicians should also be compensated.
I volunteer as worship leader at the local church and at Bible College weekly and get a small amount of money, 100 a month. Next to that I'm a stay at home mum, we have a special need kid and my husband works fulltime. With the 100 I earn we just make it every month. Lately I've been thinking about doing less, because it costs me much and I do not have much time left to write songs, while I feel the Lord is calling me to do that more often this season of my life.
Great content. If the church sets expectations for the musician, he should be paid. If the musician and come and go with no expectations, it is up to the church if they want to pay. But they will never have a strong consistent music ministry. Some ministries do not care, so must have musicians.
I was playing keyboard for a Christian band arranging n teaching the musicians their parts. The leader would always get paid a certain amount, but said it was for future instruments mic’s etc. I suggested to him to ask for a free Will offering and divide it which he refused. I said ok just pay me gas money bcuz I wasn’t working, he said then you will lose your reward in Heaven, I told him he would have to pay me $20 for gas every time we played this was 17 year’s ago. Maybe playing in a worship band is different than a church, however I’ve played in churches for free and some for pay, but if Christ’s Spirit is not present then I’d rather not be there or play period but that’s just me👼🏽🎹
❤ Thanks KC for your clear delineation of the issues. It is so important that people understand this issue. I have been on both ends of this spectrum. Meaning paid and a volunteer. Thanks for sharing this and for your ministering heart! Blessings to you
I would ask you a question? Is your music a form of worship? Your worship should give glory to God. If it is, how much glory do you want from the worship in the form of dollars? Your worship is to glorifying God.
I remember being invited to play at a church 3 hours away and I would rehearse with the singer through facetime to see in what key her voice was in for those particular songs. I practiced my tail off just to make sure I’d give God excellence. Like the guy in the video said its a sacrifice to practice and make sure you’re up-to date with the songs. I’ve never been paid and sometimes I like anybody else have had needs and well I just get on my knees and tell God to bless me. It’s tough to dedicate sooo many hours a week to practicing and prayer. I agree with what has been said on this video.
I got that where they were telling me what to do all the time and I was not getting paid at all, but the troubler was is they had not a clue about Worship or Music. When you are not appreciated or treated like a person, really, it's time to step down and have peace of mind. As I always say, "What is one person's weed is another person's flower, so go where you are the Flower and not treated like a Weed."
Yes!! Thank you! What you said about anyone can usher but not just anyone can jump on the keys and play (or mic and sing well). I've been saying that for YEARS!
Remember: It is a gift from God that you recieved to use for His glory and serve the Lord! Do you agree? If so, dont expect pay to serve. Rather serve, worship and concentrate on the Lord. And if led by God, the church may give a love gift.
Thanks! Again, as stated this was intended for top high demand musicians, not volunteer level musicians (they should be free with maybe doughnuts and juice) - this is for those who are highly skilled and well trained like the Levites… Much love ☀️💚
@@prettysimplemusic I think you are missing the point. Whether your high demand musician or not, the talents you have is from the Lord. Are you saying that the talents that you have is too good to be from the Lord? I am sure you do not believe that because you sound sincere. Whatever you have, give it unto the Lord. Do you know the parable of the Lady who had a small coin to give to God. It was more valuable in the eyes of Jesus than the one who has more. Both were people who believed because both were willing to give. Be grateful with God gives you and give it to the Lord. Again, if you dont want to SERVE the Lord, you can request pay. But dont believe it is Serving the Lord. Otherwise you will be coming to the conclusion you are too good for God to use for free. Its not the church you are serving when you play, it is God. I pray that you come to that conclusion. Btw, my volunteer musician friend won an emy last year. She still volunteers and loves it. She was prepared within the church.
You must have heard of Maverick City Music? Many are still volunteers in their church but do gigs. I know because my friend started her career volunteering and still leads worship in our church. She sings with Maverick City Music.
My take is this: IF a church has the funds, they should pay the musicians. Churches shouldn’t be straining the members for funds for musicians. Receiving remuneration for our skills is ideal. Yet, when that can’t happen (e.g. small churches), we should be willing to serve the Lord with ALL our heart freely. We shouldn’t let the desire for money change our church attendance or worship: that is when it has become the LOVE of money. And that is evil. Btw KC, I see u preacher. 1. Do u believe that CCM musicians should be paid? 2. Can u do a video about how to get hired and keep a job? Can u also discuss what skill level we need to be at b4 we we can work full time on keys?
As a guitarist I have a $1,700 custom built guitar, a cheap amp costing around $400. About $2,000 worth of pedals on my pedalboard and years and years of practice and experience. ALLLLL that but the ONE thing I DON'T have is time to really fine tune my craft. I tell my former students all the time "music is a talent with an expiration date" if you don't use your gift every single day for hours each day. You WILL get sloppy and rusty. I think paying a musician only makes a better musician. To your first point. If we're focused on everything BUT perfecting our craft than we're loosing the game. It's hard to balance ministry, family, a career all while bettering your craft.
This issue isn’t musicians being paid, the issue is the LACK OF COMMITMENT, LACK OF THE SPIRIT you say they have. Many musicians don’t even wanna rehearse to prepare for the things you’re referring to so, its bigger than the money part. Levites weren’t just musicians, they were singers too! Blessings to you👍🏾👍🏾
If you don't pay the musician, it will be very difficult for them to commit and invest time and effort for the church's quality of music, what he is saying, if you want a high calibre musician, they were the paying type, I've experienced a lot that church musicians that are not professional lacks mastery of the art, because they have a job which prioritize more and music is just kind of their hobby. But if you pay a musician, he might exert some time and effort to master the craft, because it will become his profession. Remember, no hobbyist can do it better than the professionals. It's not about lack of commitment and lack of spirit, it's all about the Church's obligation towards his worker. As the saying goes,"Good music is expensive, and there are much cheaper, but it's not good enough."
Dont feel bad......If they started paying you...the control would only increase. "What...you came in with the wrong color tie today? Im docking your pay $50!" true story! But this is mainly for people who grew up in, or got their musical start in the church.
Then you're probably not doing it for the Lord. i say "probably" because I don't know you personally. The 12 disciples left everything they had to follow Jesus. Did he pay them anything? He demanded a lot from them, but did they leave him because He was paying them nothing? Apostle Paul has a side job to sustain his needs, but he does not demand payment from his ministry either, which is more demanding than your ministry, btw. If the church pays you, be thankful. If they don't, then what? Is all that effort not worth it for serving the Lord? Did the disciples and early Christians demand payment for their persecution? Don't focus on material things. Focus on serving the Lord.
Its true Sir.... bcoz if im not payed ill wonder around...the reality is back home there a bills and mouths to feed...and i hv to be presentable as im in front as im ministering with you my Pastor...and my commitment can make the church stable...i think i add value to the kingdom of God...when the livites where not suported they left the temple...thats what is happening now.. most Pastors are working bcoz they get no real support ...even ushers and media team and worshippers if not working at the moment ...the congregants must take notice and help where they can...yes they are serving bt there are needs that abvious...myb you see that one is always wearing the same shoes or same jacket...that means there is a need there plz brederens try and help each other Amen...
English: I understand your point perfectly, and in fact I agree that a FULL-time musician is paid for his service, as long as it is a great church, ALREADY ESTABLISHED, with a local, many faithful (enough to support the work ) and all that stuff. But I'm telling you, I'm from Colombia (I don't know if this happens in the United States). Here there are many churches that are just beginning, with fewer than 20 faithful (in the case of my pastors, the work is sustained, and I'm sure of that, mostly because of them), where there are hardly any musicians (in the church that I attend we are only 1 guitarist, me the pianist and a voice, and I and the guitarist sing too). My question is this... Are you sure my pastors could pay me even one Sunday service? Are we sure that the ministries that are just emerging even have the possibility of paying a musician? I assure you not... On the other hand, here there are many musicians who are paid and are not even full-time (many times they are not even Christians, although that depends on the pastors). Even if I had that possibility of getting paid even if I wasn't a full time musician, I would choose to do it for free... Only for God. Although obviously if they want me there all day I would demand payment. Español: Entiendo tu punto perfectamente, y de hecho estoy de acuerdo en que a un músico de tiempo COMPLETO se le pague por su servicio, siempre y cuando sea una gran iglesia, YA ESTABLECIDA, con un local, muchos fieles (los suficientes para sostener la obra) y todas esas cosas. Pero te lo digo yo, que soy de Colombia (no sé si esto pase en Estados Unidos). Acá hay muchas iglesias que apenas están comenzando, con menos de 20 fieles incluso (en el caso de mis pastores, la obra se sostiene, y estoy seguro de eso, más que todo por ellos), en las que apenas hay músicos (en la iglesia a la que asisto solo somos 1 guitarrista, yo el pianista y una voz, y yo y el guitarrista cantamos también). Mi pregunta es la siguiente... ¿Estás seguro de que mis pastores podrían pagarme tan siquiera un servicio dominical? ¿Estamos seguros de que los ministerios que apenas están surgiendo, tienen tan siquiera la posibilidad de pagarle a un músico? Yo te aseguro que no... Por otro lado, acá hay muchos músicos a los que se les paga y ni siquiera son de tiempo completo (muchas veces ni siquiera son cristianos, aunque eso ya depende de los pastores). Incluso si yo tuviera esa posibilidad de que me pagaran aunque no fuera un músico de tiempo completo, escogería hacerlo gratis... Sólo para Dios. Aunque obviamente si me quieren allí todo el día exigiría un pago.
KC, God bless you for this video. I've been an advocate of this for years but some pastors are the problem cos they look down on our profession. Thank you bro
If you volunteer for a role, but it morphs into more than you thought it would require, or your life circumstances mean it’s requiring more from you than you deem appropriate then talk with whoever is in charge. It’s probably time for that role to become better defined. If it’s unpaid and there’s no contract then you are under no obligation to continue at all - even if you feel pressure, it’s not your job or your responsibility!! Imagine you turned up to a clothes shop and started folding clothes and putting them back on the hanger. Of course, the shopkeeper would appreciate that, they might even lay off a paid member of staff to make way for you! Eventually, you get sucked into doing it every day from 9 to 5. Everybody assumes that it’s your job - but it isn’t!
Kc please loud it ! Drummer are really going through a lot in churches, when their accessories got damaged, nobody cares, they want drummer to keep managing since the snare drum is still sounding even if the kick is no longer working.😀😀😀
Actually you can run a service with just a drummer! I've been doing it for 15 years!!! LOL Just the Praise Team and Me! But in all seriousness, my Apostle takes great care of me. There is not one need that hasn't been met for me. But now I run the entire service myself musically using Prime. I still play the drums of course but I use Prime for music through the whole service. It's fun and I love what I do!!!
Yeah, I never have asked for money, yet was always provided for. I just never wanted any Church/Ministry be left out. By not asking no one is left out. It all balances out in the end. I agree with you, if a Church has the means. In saying this, the Killer of a Worship Leader is the Politics within the Church. There's nothing worse than those who know nothing of Music trying to dictate, as if they did. For Example, a Pastor wants you to take in someone to be a part of the Worship Team, without even knowing if they are Saved or with a Right Heart. To me, a Worship Leader is the Pastor for the Worship Team and they watch over the Team. You can't have someone just come in and then, later, leave and shake up the whole Team and that was what was happening at one Church I recently left. If a Pastor is told by God, that this person should be the Worship Leader, they should trust this and stop trying to micro-manage. Chazz of Jazz
Awesome information. You have eloquently and gracefully expounded on our roles in the Church, and devotion to GOD - which must align to be able to flow. Thank you! 🙏🏾 I am following. Be blessed.
Great video. Have heard of a church that requires all musicians to attend all church services, score the songs as is because the Pastor requires excellence at all time, but does not pay musicians, and does not allow them to gig. However, when the church invites top gospel artists and other pastors, that church pays the guests very well.
I think it depends on the financial status of a musician,,if he/she has a job a real job that provides them an income to sustain for their family,and playing in church or the love of music is only thier passion,then there's no problem if they'll be paid or not,but if playing in the church or the church obliges you to play for them at anytime or if being musician on the church is only the only source of income of a church musician or the ministry wants you full time to be in the church playing, then they should be paid the right amount to sustain thier needs.. it's the church that needs to have the initiative to what thier musicians needs,, specially now that we experience a very high inflation rate going on around the world...more power and God bless us all
FYI most church musicians are not professional but did learn how to play in church and using the church instruments. Most churches are the size of store fronts or slightly larger and don't have the money to play.
There was no levite musicians. It was a priestly position. Period. That doesn't mean they were "skilled" Musicians. However a man is worthy of his wages.
Great insights! Thanks for sharing your perspectives on these matters KC. I love what I do and would do it for free and it is refreshing to hear that a musician of your caliber is humble enough to use your gifts without getting paid for it. Jesus taught freely you have received, freely give. If a church or ministry desires to honor their music team financially they will be blessed for it, but ultimately we owe it to God to give of our best and trust him to provide.
@@thesoundsofgkez actually I was. There are many people in the world who could sit at a piano for decades and still not be able to play a simple tune because they don't have hands. God gave me hands for free so I use them freely for his glory!
Played for years and years never a dime. Don't think I would have excepted it if it was offered...a thank you or a gift card would have been nice. But I was doing it to serve God in a capacity that I felt I could worship not for any gain. "What good is my worship without sacrafice" . King David.
This is why I repeatedly state Highly Skilled. It’s impossible to give God an highly skilled, excellent musical service without proper training and many years of top tier schooling. Otherwise, yes most should do it for free with a cheerful heart. #HighlySkilled
People’s time, money and effort are valuable. Unless they SPECIFICALLY state that they wish to donate them as part of their financial support of the church? They need to be paid…and it is exploiting them not to do it. The church shouldn’t expect services for free simply because it is a church.
Honestly, I used to think that we should all serve for God and God will provide. Basically, work for free and be grateful. As I grew and read the bible, this was not the case, as we have to value people time, skillset and ability and place value on this accordingly. The issue I have is what I call "Gospel Mercenaries". Great, top-level musicians and singers who go from church to church and only take their wages and build no connection with the church(es). It can get so bad that the church has to schedule an early worship service to accommodate the musicians and singers. I believe if the church wants to pay the musicians and singers, go for it. However, it is a ministry. You should see investments in the community, discipleship in building the next generation of musicians and singers, and growth in their mastery of flow of the service where you can see the holy spirit more so than the wow, he is a great musician or singer (WOW vs POWer section you mentioned). This should be the focus and if it takes a wage, so be it but it is really about your intention and heart. Is your prayer, practice and study all to make a wage or make a difference?
Bro thank you about what you said about broke pastors. as a pastors kid i absolute hate the mindset when people think the pastor should be broke to keep them "humble"", meanwhile the church members can be making 200k a year. my dad has to run a side business because not only the church we are at but the past few churches paid him horribly and some expecting him to do church and pastor things full time. Makes me so mad and my dad and MANY other pastors i know deserve So much more but this stupid mindset that they should be broke keeps them broke. I don't care if i get paid 0, 10, or 100 bucks per Sunday but my dad, (the pastor) si the one that puts in horus every week to bring the message every sunday morning and feed his flock, but cant fully devote his time cause he is barely getting pai enough to get by and that honestly makes me furious sometimes.
hi KC, i'm the lover of your musical work and i constantly still from your ideas. concerning the topic i 100% agree with you and thank you for putting the scriptures out there
I played in a church band about 20 years ago as a teenager, they pretty much begged me to stay on but I studied music full-time right after that so didn't have the time anymore, it gave me a huge advantage because I'd already played over 50 gigs before attending college, that's how I used the experience to my advantage, I was always thinking about it as a craft that you learn to gain experience, it was never about money.
I understand the topic, as a former church musician I don’t get paid, sometimes we get love gifts, I think if the church can pay the church musicians that will be good, but the question is do you serve full time or are you a volunteer, if you are a full time church musician it means you’re working at the church Monday to Sunday you work at the church, yes you should be paid, if you’re a volunteer and you play 2 times a week a love gift or pocket money will work, now if the church hire you to play music because they don’t have good musicians you should be paid, but please understand if the church can’t pay you maybe they need to prioritize to pay the rent the electricity the full time workers.
This topic is getting very popular lately! Wow, I think God is showing me something especially the last couple of months because this is the fourth video that I’ve seen talks about it
I have a different opinion to most of you. Can I ask you guys why you go to church? Is it to play instruments? What does church mean to you? I used to play bass at another church after my church and I would see how they would literally take the money from what we given that day. I told them don't pay me. It's an honour and privilege to serve with my gifts and all the good and effort I've put in is nothing compared to Christ's sacrifice. Guys I implore you. Don't do God's work grudgingly. Don't worry about what the guest speaker is getting. Stop seeking for appreciation from men. Seek the Kingdom, God will reward you. If you get paid cool, if you don't cool. Now I'm in a place where that money I would have got paid for in that other church is nothing to me. Find a church where you can develop your spirit man. Where you can grow. This is more important. Get other gigs in between if you want.
@@prettysimplemusic ok let's say you play for free but because you made this video it means you are also looking for payment, your playing is not from the heart
My dad had a very small and beginning church and I was holding down services with terrible drum skills, because thats all we had. If theres a will theres a way 😂
To be highly skilled requires many hours of FOCUSED prayer, FOCUSED practice and INTENSE study - working a full time job, plus doing side gigs robs musicians of FOCUSED TIME that could otherwise be spent catering specially to the house of worship and serving in excellence. If your church will invite a guest speaker, singer etc and compensates them for their TIME and SERVICE, but never invest back into you and your skillset, they are out of order!
Yes, serve God with your gifts, but understand that money allows you time away from hustling other side gigs to focus and "perfect" & properly cultivate your giftings, talents and worship unto God.
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This is very correct ☺️
When my son was younger, he was commissioned to play for a church concert for $200. After spending hours learning 8 songs, 4 rehearsals and a 2 hour concert……they handed him a check for $75. We were told that the Pastor’s WIFE decided $200 was too much🙄. I was LIVID! Needless to say, Mama got involved and a few days later my son received the rest of his money. The next year, they asked him to play AGAIN……..his fee was MUCH higher and it was paid up front.
Dont call it SERVICE if you REQUIRE finances. Its good the church considers it, but whetever you do, do it unto the Lord. I serve God fulltime but dont get paid. I know what it means to spend your own money and time. I am a minister who is called to serve.
If you get your vision cleared from this world, you'll see all the work you do is for God and you can't care less about money.
Seek Gods kingdom first!
Everything else he will take care of.
If you can't manage to pay the bills because you are spending so much time with practicing your music, maybe it isn't God's plan for you.
What are the motives to play in Church?
Really liking music?
Honour of men?
Not being able to say no when asked?
Please let in everything to serve God be your motive!
And the sentence: never invest back to you?
Are you even listening to the gospel they are preaching?
Isn't that investing back in to you?
And if it feels like your church isn't investing in to you, what are you doing it for? Are you really seeking treasure's in heaven?
This guy is preaching a message every church and church musician needs to hear
Yes!
Great video! And if you're paying for top-notch musicians, don't ruin the investment with unskilled (and often unpaid) mix engineers.
Oh yeah!
Big Facts 🎯🎯🎯🎯
Yeah... It can be annoying. That's why they've got to be following Churchfront for some solid tips and how-tos. 😅😅😅
This topic can no longer be ignored! I now know why I’ve been so frustrated, it doesn’t make sense on my end………..
I play drums for a medium sized church and have been blessed to simply serve. Never thought about any type of compensation. There was some benifits though like getting to know the church staff better, getting recognized in the congragation, thus making friendships a lot easier. What a blessing to serve on stage and experience the presence of God while worshipping.
I’ve been church musician all my life but because of financial problem I started playing with secular bands to earn a living.
Then there is the majority of us who work a full-time job while trying to be highly skilled, all while raising a family. I can confirm that it’s the most frustrating thing for someone who is a musician at heart!
Broooooo!!!!! All facts! 🎯
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That is why you pray and ask God to strengthen you. When you minister in your craft, all types of problems will come your way. Especially if God chose you for this ministry.
The bible says the enemy will come to kill,steal, and destroy. But before you minister, I encourage you to pray and ask God to strengthen you so you can be faithful in your service. Its not by your own might or power but thru God who strengthens you.
@@Motwn24 Faith without the 'work' of PRACTICING won't be fruitful. You need time to practice - study to show yourself approved.
@@HybridMusiciansThe text you are using is being used wrongfully. The text you are referring to is in James 2:14-26. It speaks of "Faith without works is dead." Is there a difference of Work and Works?
Works is a demonstartion of your Faith. In other words, your action based on faith. Example: Abraham was ready and obedient to God to sacrifice his son and he was commended for that. In your case, it is the act of playing with the church. That is your spiritual act of worship.
It maybe true you need to work at your craft and continue learning, but the act of playing for the Lord is your 'works'.
I'm a pastor and worship leader at our church, and ever since I was a teenager, I've never felt in my heart the desire to get paid for my ministry. I freely received it and freely give it back to our God. The same applies for music lessons. I personally don't feel right getting paid for my ministry as a pastor or musician.
The way I see it is that if the local church wants to pay their ministers, they can. But because the church agrees that that is how they want to function. The Apostle Paul made a case for teaching the church to take care of its ministers, but he also preferred not to receive money for his ministry because he didn't want it to affect his testimony. So, although he could and had a right to, he chose not to for sake of the gospel.
Money is a sensitive topic for many and a stumbling block for others whether they give or receive.
As far as the levites are concerned, they actually had no other choice. God set them aside specifically to minister. The situation is different between us and them. Their "payments" were actually more of a sustenance. The nation of Israel was expected to provide for them via their offerings and tithes. We can have land inherentance for example, they couldn't. But like them, our best inherentance is God, not money or anything we can buy with money. He will provide for us. We should be happy with what we have and don't have. Give thanks to God in any and every situation we find ourselves in.
Respect Pastor. I agree with certain points you made. Where I disagree is that we are different that the Levites. As a gospel musician, I believe I’m required to return to God my gifts, and perfect my gifts. Similar to the 10, 5 and 1 talents. I feel as if your saying that I have the right to bury my talent and be named a wicked servant. Let me know if I’m wrong. Now, real talk - those same skilled players oftentimes end up playing in places other than church because they need to eat, keep a roof, maintain a vehicle, maintain their instruments, and the list goes on. What if the church were to complete for their services rather than them using their talent in the world. In a way, that church becomes a stumbling block if they are able to pay, but choose not to. To be completely transparent, I play for free at my church. But I’m a novice at my instrument. But I’ve been blessed to play with some great players who I learn from.
@lbranom3310 we were given our musical gifts so that we could exclusively worship God with them. I don't feel right playing music that is not worshipping God. Much less to make it my career. The way I see it is I can't serve two masters.
Consider this, how would it look if the High Priest in the Tabernacle had a side job worshipping other gods to make ends meet? He would utterly profane the Tabernacle.
Now, God deserves OUR best worship, and we should strive to perfect our skills. BUT God never demanded this from us. So saying that we should get paid because we spend time practicing and studying to be better musicians so that we could present a better performance has nothing to do what God ask from us as musicians or from the church.
Worshipping in spirit and truth can actually be done without music to begin with. It's a privilege that we have to minister before God and to lead the worship, not a right.
Now, the talent parable has nothing to do with gifts such as music. A "talent" was worth years of wages. Some estimate about 20 years' worth for each talent. That's why, towards the end, the master rebukes the servant for not putting the talent in the bank so that he could collect interest from the talent. The parable has more to do with multiplying what God has asked us to do. Spread the gospel, make more disciples. Multiply as believers and not hide the truth of the gospel.
We, as believers, are like the levites when it comes to purpose only. To serve before God. Applying the payment aspect of it doesn't hold water because ALL believers are now priests before God in a sense. Does that mean that every believer should get paid? Or if you want to get paid like the levites, are you willing to get circumcised as well? Because they were required to do so. How about keeping the Sabbath? Yeah, it's like comparing apples to oranges.
I'm not the best musician in the world, far from it. I'm not even the best I could be, but when I worship God, I try my best to do it with all my heart, and I think that is all God asks for. You can be the fanciest musician, with the greatest licks and arrangements, but if you do it to receive glory from others instead of God, then God isn't interested. As musicians, we are very susceptible to being conceited and self-centered. Vain. But if our heart is in the right place and for the right reasons, then the simplest arrangement will be like a pleasing aroma before God.
@@lbranom3310 It's a personal choice to make. It's okay to step down from the worship team if you want to use your musical skills for events or gigs to support yourself financially. The only thing you might miss is not just your musical talent, but also the feeling of God's presence when you play.
Some churches don't pay musicians because their finances depend on tithes and offerings. However, we can't force members to give, but we can teach them about the importance of tithes and offerings and let them decide whether or not to contribute.
Lastly, if you have a true understanding of God's word and the importance of worshiping Him, then you should understand why churches may or may not pay their members for their service. However, if you don't understand or accept this concept, it comes down to your personal decision.
Do you collect tithings? Or take up offerings?
@@JaeWheeler In my church we take tithes and offerings.
Uh oh you stirring the pot again and I love it!
1. If churches don't wanna pay, train up the youth in your church until they get good enough to demand market value for their gift.
2. Specialize people get paid, volunteers get appreciated.
3. Musicians, hear the maturity of KC when it comes to money. He started on a low end, then he got paid well, and now his quality of life allows him to just recerve 100% donation. Know your worth, but be caught chasing your assignment rather than the highest dollar. Your legacy & inheritance is there.
If you are going to train them you still need to pay if the play my son get on I pay him with my money you play you need to pay I adjust my pay according to the size of the church. I feel in all the time. Big church 200 small 100 to the low of 50.
Well, I've been playing for over 20years and I never ask for pay. I'm ok serving God with my talent BUT THAT IS MY CHOICE. GOD HAD A PROPER WELFARE PLAN FOR MUSICIANS AND THOSE WHO SERVED AT THE ALTAR. I think every church should have that plan for her musician . What I understand from this video is that you should create an environment to favour the spiritual focus of the musician. Over here in Nigeria, we always have a way to handle our matters😊
@@GaxtonOkobah What you doing is fine.....as long as you dont believe yourself above or better than those who demand pay...... as soon as you think this way....all blessings are lost...
I play for free at my church. The church shows it's appreciation though. Playing for free is what I wanted. I can focus on the music and bringing in the Spirit. I play guitar.
Thank you Amen
I worked for a large church in the media and all the musicians that played services, special events, and such were paid. It's a matter of respect and the pay wasn't fantastic but good enough that they wanted the gigs. They were all working pro so it was some extra money for an easy gig. They all were also members of the church. We tried to make the gig as easy possible for them. In general no rehearsals except for big special events they all had great ears. The sound check before service was when most learned the tune for the guest artist at each service. If more time was needed they would all go to one of the utility rooms to go over the tune(s) before the praise part of service started. The music in the service was placed where so they didn't have to stay on the stage during main part of service. They played praise then not long after that the guest artist would do their first tune. After that the band box was set so they could slide out and go outside where we had coffee and snacks for people working the service. The music assistant would stay inside and when she notice the Rev was winding up she would go and tell the band time to come back in and slide into the band box. Band would play for the guest artist second tune, then play the offertory, and remain on stage till the end of service. The Rev's wife was the Choir Director and was a Jazz artist herself in past and that is why the musicians were treated respectfully. We had a list of musician that wanted to play and we rotated through them to get them all a chance to make some money and also keep from burning out if they played all three sunday services and Wednesday night service.
So yes church musicians should be paid it is a job and it requires a certain level of proficiency that takes years to develop and need to be compensated for. Anyone who works for the church deserves to get paid. I started at the church as a volunteer being in service to the church. As time went on they saw I had skills they needed regularly and I was hired part-time. As things progress I became a full time media employee.
amen bro, thats how it should be done
Church musicians should get paid or their service considered a part of their overall giving... as in a part of their tithe... I was in a situation where I was a volunteer church musician doing services WEEKLY without being paid and expected to give my tithe financially as well as was treated like they were doing me a favor by letting me on the worship team and not like I was doing them a favor by volunteering so much. I had to pay for my instruments. I had to prepare for service every week that I did not get paid for and this took time away from focusing on doing my music as a profession. Professionalism was expected. The pastor and his wife were NOT people that had our family’s back. We were struggling financially. The pastor’s wife went on a vacation out of the country while my family was struggling financially to replace our dishwasher. Yet I was advised that my giving was not to be considered in place of the tithe giving. We were short at the end of the year almost exactly what we tithed to the pastor and his wife so they could live their posh lifestyle. Ugh. I will never do this again. If I was considered a rank amature where they were doing me a favor by letting me on the worship team, why even put me on that team! God deserves the best! Yes... musicians should be paid. I realize not all churches can swing this but if they can they should.
Your reward is in heaven bro. ❤❤❤
If the church is rich, church must pay musician...
Simple truth, I always tell young musicians, become skillful at your craft so pastors have no choice but to pay you. Personally, I don’t take a salary anymore, I’ll do my best to be available for Gods service.
I was an unpaid mucian at church and it was extremely expensive for me to perfect my craft. So much that l had to persue another career. I agree with you 100%
The same to me , I work from Monday to Saturday and I find no time to do practice and eventually when you get to play, they want more from me as a drummer and it's embarrassing. this all comes to no facilitation
The Church provides a learning ground for the willing.
Totally agree KC
depending on what church though- some churches require immediate skill and that may not allow for a beginner to learn@@rooseveltkemp869
KC, this video was absolutely wholesome. Thank you. You touched on the economics of the matter too. Few people in a church can play the piano well and play in every key without transposing. Fewer people can play the organ well and with their feet. If nothing else, this is a matter of basic economics. The DEMAND is HIGH for excellent musicians or even relatively decent musicians. But the SUPPLY to meet this demand is LOW. Not everyone can play and more importantly, not everyone loves Jesus Christ. When demand is high for something but the supply to meet that demand is low, the supplier (musician in this case) should not only be paid but be paid very well.
out of all of that, I never saw God in your comment.... where does God fit into paying a musician skilled or not?
@@ChristianRobinson
Exactly!!
KC laid out accurate scriptural backing in the video@@ChristianRobinson
Amen. I play CCM so I do it for free and I'm also retired so I have an income. You're right Gospel is much harder than CCM but not unlearnable and not hard to learn either. I just don't like gospel music. Even CCM musicians should be paid, they still have to buy equipment, practice and be at rehearsals and service all Sunday too.
100%
As a professional musician, I have Been serving in church bands giving 100% week to week four years. I don’t just show up, I rehearse I go over everything making sure every single detail is excellent. It wore me out. Getting paid would make a massive difference
I have bought all of your content because as an older musician, it is great to have something so easy to follow. If I had your stuff early in my career I may have won all kinds of awards by now.
This is a great video. I've been a working church musician since I was 12 years old and received $30 per month as a salary. I've played for churches that paid musicians and I have played for those that didn't. Over 40 years I've seen this debate go back and forth and I will say this - if the musician is a blessing to the church then the church should be a blessing to the musician.
In college, I worked full-time as a TSA, 20 hours in the engineering lab, and played for 3 different churches in 3 different cities to get through college (I was an electrical engineering major with a whole load of classes simultaneously). I was so exhausted that I fell asleep in the middle of the day while driving and totaled my car. I'm blessed to be alive.
A friend of mine that played for the college choir told me about a church that needed a musician. I reached out to them. I was interviewed and after the interview they hired me. That church paid me $200 a week to be the church musician and to work with 5 different choirs but that was enough money for me to get another car, get married to the love of my life, and graduate with my engineering degree.
When the church as a whole starts to look at the roles they have that they can compensate I think they should. You don't know what that can do for a musician and his family.
Biblically, I think in Number 18, it talks about how all the offerings were taken to take care of the temple. That included an offering for the Levites - the musicians. I could be wrong on that but I do believe it is right to take care of your musicians financially. Thanks for this video.
Mannn this is such an amazing testimony! To know that God provided a church home that also enabled you to succeed and thrive during your school days… Also a big BUG Thanks for the love and support of purchasing and supporting me through the years! Really REALLY means a lot! I don’t take it for granted! ☀️💚
Thank you so much KC . This video is so much a great deal of help. I thought the debate about musicians being paid is a topic of discuss in Africa only.
Again, your thoughts are just same as mine. It's good professional musicians like you come out to clear the air for critics, especially non musicians.
The fact this is still a conversation in 2023 is the craziest part
That is the best discourse I've heard on why musicians should be paid as well as taking care of pastors. Really well said! Love it
PREACHHHHHHH!!!!! 🗣️ don’t believe the folks in the back can hear you 🔥🔥🔥👍🏽
Thanks KC. I've played all my life for free. But I've found it challenging sometimes. There was a church I played for in a village that didn't have a keyboard so I came with mine. I didn't have a car so I'd get a taxi. At the close of service, members would jump in their cars and drive off while I waited for my uber, standing at the gate with my keyboard...lol. I did get a ride once but no one ever talked about how I managed. And o...I was a student in a nearby city...just wanted to help out. But the least I expected was at least a ride back into town. I agree with you KC.
I should add I never complained. But I agree with KC. Not everyone will like to hear it but he's right. The purpose for it is what really matters....FOCUS!
Really, that cries unto the Eyes of God.
This happened me last week, I was involved into a car crash, honestly I don't have money and I was asking for rides but it was really hard to get one.
Wow! That's a shame. The Lord will provide in His Name.
I hear you. I'm sorry you were being taken advantage of. Not all churches are like that. I pray you find one that appreciates you financially!
This.
The amount of time spent on practising and preparing material for a service/mass is enormous. And the time off from work, or from other events is a sacrifice. In the end, little stayed.
Great talking points, and I agree w/ your view on this! In fact, it’s a topic that has been on my mind ever since I first started playing in church about 25 years ago. And most churches do NOT pay, and it’s been a massive challenge for me to deal with, cope with and live with. I could go on, but will just say this video was very helpful and I think it also needed to be laid out clearly.. like you did. God bless, and peace✌️
PERFORMING OR SERVING? When I play professionally (at a club or party) I get paid for performing but when I play for church I offer it up as a thanksgiving to my Lord for allowing me to be able to serve Him with the gifts He has given me. Maybe that’s the difference . Are we performing for our Lord Jesus Christ or are we serving Him?
Of course they should get paid!! The Bible says a worker is worthy of his wages.....
Yessir! Same for the construction workers, electricians and plumbers who BUILT the church… ☀️💚
Except he said that ushers and the people counting the money out the back shouldn't be paid. It doesn't matter if they're skilled or unskilled, aren't they still workers?
You taking that out of context.....music isn't a requirement for church services.....nobody is supposed to profiting off God.....if you love God then you will gladly give that service to Him...
@@bigbluetruck3464 exactly
@@bigbluetruck3464 not in this society. 🤣
all musicians should be paid....not just the highly skilled.....Maybe paid less..... but still paid. LBJ makes the most money on his team.....but the guys at the end of the bench who never plays in a big game......put in some practice work.....and still get paid.....albeit much less than the highly skilled players.
This was an awesome video with lots of great points. I have been struggling with this same thing as a church drummer. You opened up my eyes to a lot and backed it with scripture too.
It's a topic that needs to be addressed more. It's great people want to volunteer in the church. They should; however, it should not be expected to never pay for work in God's House! That's just unbiblical! A worker is worth his wages!
PREACH BROTHER, PREACH‼️ Levites and Minstrels have to be taught the meaning of ministry but they should be paid. The Bible says a workman is worthy of its hire!
Levites are not the right group to compare in the OT if your going to compare to NT. The levites ministry is compleyed after what Christ accomplished and no longer needed for today.
We need to be like David with a contrite heart. Thats why we worship the way we do. Our worship is out of our heart and not like the temple. If you want to copy that go to greek orthodox churches
Huh? The Levites are EXACTLY the right group because that's who the workers in the House of God are! lol!
Thank you for putting it out there. People have no idea what it takes to make the music department flow and flourish!!!! God bless you sir!!!!
So you should be paid according the time you spend to do something for your church? Nobody but you and your pastor put the stress on it, God just want humble and true heart worhship him, even with hands and lips only.
THANK YOU, for all of this and all that you are teaching. It's so nice to know that others see things, as I do.
I was at a pastor's conference once and heard the speakers say the most awful thing, both huge mega churches had moved to non paid musicians, that's fine, it was the reason one of them gave that just took me out, I had to go talk to him afterward, he said, he looked up and saw the folks playing, and all the people that were around, and thought why are we paying them for this opportunity? This kind of exposure! - I'm like, does that logic work for you Pastor? Why is the church paying you to speak to so many people, you should be happy for the exposure! To date I haven't returned to that conference.
Someone said that people die of exposure lol
Your gifts and talents come from YAH!
Humble yourself and no Elohim giveth and He taketh away.
Lucifer was head of the choir in heaven, this is exactly where he is deceiving many members in church.
Shalom
As a church musician myself. I kinda disagree. I believe musicians should be payed as "church staff" and not to just rock up to a rehearsal and play songs on Sunday and preacher chords. The levites didn't prepare privately away from the temple. So the musician should, in my opinion basically have a "9-to-5" at the church they play at. Spending hours at the church preparing for the Sunday service, training up the volunteer musicians, improving the overall structure of worship at that church so that there are no distractions etc. You should be more than rocking up to play on Sunday and rehearsing on a Thursday night.
I've discovered I'm a much better organizer and have better time management at home. the commute to and from church + other social distractions is a low payout for my attention and level of FOCUS. Especially with Zoom and Planning Center - home is a perfect setup for me...
I couldn’t agree more. The Levites also prepped the sacrifices, cleaned the temple, meditated on the word, and further in service of the church. I’m a drummer and I worked 10yrs to get to the skill that I’m at, but I also keep my gear clean and I help clean the stage and when they need help in anything in the church I’m there! This video has a very clear worldly view. The entire time advocating for making this just a job. Being a worshipper is NOT a job. It’s a ministry. You wanna make money as a musician, go play a rock concert. I focus (without getting paid) because I love playing and I love my service to the Lord. This is terrible for the new people starting in worship because it’s shifting their focus to pay rather than ministry. Ministry does not equal business.
Ministry is a sacrifice, if it’s “comfortable” then you’re doing it right. God didn’t call you to a life of comfort. As a matter of fact, 11 of the 12 apostles died as martyrs. If you don’t want that then you gotta choose a different religion
@@matiasgastou I don't think you understand the points made in the video, else you won't make such statements. Because of your choice of words and tone, I can say your comment about the video is unfortunate. You can have a different view concerning the matter in question, but you cannot run down his views like that because he equally made a lot of sense, both from a spiritual point of view and a logical point of view. I suggest you watch the video again, this time, with an open mind, to be able to well understand the points made. Thank you.
@thabomahlagare9001 You also have a solid point there.
May God continue to bless you. Great content and very good ideas!
Ah thanks so much!! Much love and many blessings to you! ☀️💚
I think if you playing at a church, they could at least cover servicing of instruments. Like drum skins and sticks or guitar strings and cables. More so for part-time musicians. Full-time musicians should probably get paid if the fund are there. Anyways, great video KC
kC, you are truly blessed! I played at a Church over 20 years. Their outings, rehearsals, funerals and Church Services were all inclusive within the pay. After being loyal and dedicated to this one church they take it upon themselves to move rehearsal days so it doesn't fit my schedule. The pay wasn't even $400/wk and they taxed what they gave me. So I came to the conclusion that this situation was not going to work for me and parted ways.
Excellent break down brother thanks for sharing and as a fellow musician I'll like to add like anything you get what you pay for
This is great info and well put across. I am currently having a struggle with church folks inviting me to play-Funerals, Memorials, Thanksgivings and not giving a cent even though one brother I recently played at, boasted about the amount of money he just made working overtime. I guess he did not realize he was working me overtime. So I am currently making a list of stingy brethren to avoid in future. 😀. Music ministry takes money and yes-focus, if the minister wants to perform at the highest possible level. Donations act as an encouragement to maintain that excellence.
Nah you can just refuse the invitations
Ask them how it will go without your input. How much they would then pay an outsider to step in. Then say take it or leave it
Where was this video 2 months ago😅. I wondering about this topic, because I’m a traveling song leader. After reading the scripture and few RUclips videos, I conclude that musicians should get paid; And yes, there are scriptures to back this up. Musicians/Song leaders are MINISTERS too, we relay the Word as well to the congregation, just like the Preacher. Thanks for this video
You’ve got a new subscriber from Sweden 🇸🇪 now. Bless you brother.
Hey there to you in Sweden!! So glad to have you here with us, much love!! ☀️💚
Thank you for this video! I still work not fulltime but enough to be able to do a few extra things but glory to God that the ministry thinks it not robbery to invest in me. And it gives me time to rest-recoup-perform duties without worry. I wanna be like KC when i grow up but anyways. The bible say to be content with what you have. And because of me being able to focus. I was able to accept award this past weekend for songwriter and i didnt have to say oh i gotta go to work cant attend that appreciation moment. So im just grateful! To God be the Glory!
Great sir you just said everything I'm a student and a musician a keyboardist at my church but all these years being there i not being paid a dine as a form of appreciation,,,, i think I'm going to share this to my pastor and other fellow musicians out there suffering
very unwise.....Better to be paid by God than by Man....... you wouldnt know I believed this based on my other comments in this same thread.... But we must feed milk to those who require it....and meat for those who may have started getting their teeth.
it is not unwise
Maaaaaan Bro 🗣PREACHIN!! 🔥🔥🔥
hahaha.... sometimes you gotta!! Thanks so much for watching! Much love ☀️💚
First of all this video was very informative and I could relate because I am a psalmists, I have 5 albums and churches contact me to minister in their church events, so I was able to relate with this video, and I agree that the keyboardist is a vital part in a church service but so is the guitarist and all the other members, Michael Jordan can not win an NBA game without the help of his team, I agree the keyboardist should be payed but all the other musicians should also be compensated.
I volunteer as worship leader at the local church and at Bible College weekly and get a small amount of money, 100 a month. Next to that I'm a stay at home mum, we have a special need kid and my husband works fulltime. With the 100 I earn we just make it every month.
Lately I've been thinking about doing less, because it costs me much and I do not have much time left to write songs, while I feel the Lord is calling me to do that more often this season of my life.
Great content. If the church sets expectations for the musician, he should be paid. If the musician and come and go with no expectations, it is up to the church if they want to pay. But they will never have a strong consistent music ministry. Some ministries do not care, so must have musicians.
I was playing keyboard for a Christian band arranging n teaching the musicians their parts. The leader would always get paid a certain amount, but said it was for future instruments mic’s etc. I suggested to him to ask for a free Will offering and divide it which he refused. I said ok just pay me gas money bcuz I wasn’t working, he said then you will lose your reward in Heaven, I told him he would have to pay me $20 for gas every time we played this was 17 year’s ago. Maybe playing in a worship band is different than a church, however I’ve played in churches for free and some for pay, but if Christ’s Spirit is not present then I’d rather not be there or play period but that’s just me👼🏽🎹
*Totally agree. Work on your craft and most importantly be DEPENDABLE.*
That word right there: DEPENDABLE 🔥🔥🔥
❤ Thanks KC for your clear delineation of the issues. It is so important that people understand this issue. I have been on both ends of this spectrum. Meaning paid and a volunteer. Thanks for sharing this and for your ministering heart! Blessings to you
I would ask you a question? Is your music a form of worship? Your worship should give glory to God. If it is, how much glory do you want from the worship in the form of dollars? Your worship is to glorifying God.
Music is a profession like any other. Pay them properly!
I remember being invited to play at a church 3 hours away and I would rehearse with the singer through facetime to see in what key her voice was in for those particular songs. I practiced my tail off just to make sure I’d give God excellence. Like the guy in the video said its a sacrifice to practice and make sure you’re up-to date with the songs. I’ve never been paid and sometimes I like anybody else have had needs and well I just get on my knees and tell God to bless me. It’s tough to dedicate sooo many hours a week to practicing and prayer. I agree with what has been said on this video.
That sacrifice should be your decision and God. Not someone else’s to make for you.
I got that where they were telling me what to do all the time and I was not getting paid at all, but the troubler was is they had not a clue about Worship or Music.
When you are not appreciated or treated like a person, really, it's time to step down and have peace of mind. As I always say, "What is one person's weed is another person's flower, so go where you are the Flower and not treated like a Weed."
You nailed it my brother KC. No fear in love. Only truth.
Yes!! Thank you! What you said about anyone can usher but not just anyone can jump on the keys and play (or mic and sing well). I've been saying that for YEARS!
Remember: It is a gift from God that you recieved to use for His glory and serve the Lord! Do you agree? If so, dont expect pay to serve. Rather serve, worship and concentrate on the Lord. And if led by God, the church may give a love gift.
Thanks! Again, as stated this was intended for top high demand musicians, not volunteer level musicians (they should be free with maybe doughnuts and juice) - this is for those who are highly skilled and well trained like the Levites… Much love ☀️💚
@@prettysimplemusic I think you are missing the point. Whether your high demand musician or not, the talents you have is from the Lord. Are you saying that the talents that you have is too good to be from the Lord? I am sure you do not believe that because you sound sincere.
Whatever you have, give it unto the Lord. Do you know the parable of the Lady who had a small coin to give to God. It was more valuable in the eyes of Jesus than the one who has more. Both were people who believed because both were willing to give. Be grateful with God gives you and give it to the Lord.
Again, if you dont want to SERVE the Lord, you can request pay. But dont believe it is Serving the Lord. Otherwise you will be coming to the conclusion you are too good for God to use for free. Its not the church you are serving when you play, it is God. I pray that you come to that conclusion.
Btw, my volunteer musician friend won an emy last year. She still volunteers and loves it. She was prepared within the church.
You must have heard of Maverick City Music? Many are still volunteers in their church but do gigs. I know because my friend started her career volunteering and still leads worship in our church. She sings with Maverick City Music.
My take is this: IF a church has the funds, they should pay the musicians. Churches shouldn’t be straining the members for funds for musicians. Receiving remuneration for our skills is ideal. Yet, when that can’t happen (e.g. small churches), we should be willing to serve the Lord with ALL our heart freely. We shouldn’t let the desire for money change our church attendance or worship: that is when it has become the LOVE of money. And that is evil. Btw KC, I see u preacher.
1. Do u believe that CCM musicians should be paid?
2. Can u do a video about how to get hired and keep a job? Can u also discuss what skill level we need to be at b4 we we can work full time on keys?
I totaly agree
As a guitarist I have a $1,700 custom built guitar, a cheap amp costing around $400. About $2,000 worth of pedals on my pedalboard and years and years of practice and experience. ALLLLL that but the ONE thing I DON'T have is time to really fine tune my craft. I tell my former students all the time "music is a talent with an expiration date" if you don't use your gift every single day for hours each day. You WILL get sloppy and rusty. I think paying a musician only makes a better musician. To your first point. If we're focused on everything BUT perfecting our craft than we're loosing the game. It's hard to balance ministry, family, a career all while bettering your craft.
Exactly!
This issue isn’t musicians being paid, the issue is the LACK OF COMMITMENT, LACK OF THE SPIRIT you say they have. Many musicians don’t even wanna rehearse to prepare for the things you’re referring to so, its bigger than the money part. Levites weren’t just musicians, they were singers too! Blessings to you👍🏾👍🏾
If you don't pay the musician, it will be very difficult for them to commit and invest time and effort for the church's quality of music, what he is saying, if you want a high calibre musician, they were the paying type, I've experienced a lot that church musicians that are not professional lacks mastery of the art, because they have a job which prioritize more and music is just kind of their hobby. But if you pay a musician, he might exert some time and effort to master the craft, because it will become his profession. Remember, no hobbyist can do it better than the professionals. It's not about lack of commitment and lack of spirit, it's all about the Church's obligation towards his worker. As the saying goes,"Good music is expensive, and there are much cheaper, but it's not good enough."
This was one of the reasons I left my home church they were trying to be so demanding and controlling but wasn’t paying me nothing.
Dont feel bad......If they started paying you...the control would only increase. "What...you came in with the wrong color tie today? Im docking your pay $50!" true story! But this is mainly for people who grew up in, or got their musical start in the church.
Then you're probably not doing it for the Lord. i say "probably" because I don't know you personally.
The 12 disciples left everything they had to follow Jesus. Did he pay them anything? He demanded a lot from them, but did they leave him because He was paying them nothing? Apostle Paul has a side job to sustain his needs, but he does not demand payment from his ministry either, which is more demanding than your ministry, btw.
If the church pays you, be thankful. If they don't, then what? Is all that effort not worth it for serving the Lord? Did the disciples and early Christians demand payment for their persecution? Don't focus on material things. Focus on serving the Lord.
You always have the option of dropping out of the worship team too
Wooooow !!! Thank you for this video @KC
Absolutely!! Thanks so much for watching, much love! ☀️💚
Its true Sir.... bcoz if im not payed ill wonder around...the reality is back home there a bills and mouths to feed...and i hv to be presentable as im in front as im ministering with you my Pastor...and my commitment can make the church stable...i think i add value to the kingdom of God...when the livites where not suported they left the temple...thats what is happening now.. most Pastors are working bcoz they get no real support ...even ushers and media team and worshippers if not working at the moment ...the congregants must take notice and help where they can...yes they are serving bt there are needs that abvious...myb you see that one is always wearing the same shoes or same jacket...that means there is a need there plz brederens try and help each other Amen...
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I understand your point perfectly, and in fact I agree that a FULL-time musician is paid for his service, as long as it is a great church, ALREADY ESTABLISHED, with a local, many faithful (enough to support the work ) and all that stuff. But I'm telling you, I'm from Colombia (I don't know if this happens in the United States). Here there are many churches that are just beginning, with fewer than 20 faithful (in the case of my pastors, the work is sustained, and I'm sure of that, mostly because of them), where there are hardly any musicians (in the church that I attend we are only 1 guitarist, me the pianist and a voice, and I and the guitarist sing too). My question is this... Are you sure my pastors could pay me even one Sunday service? Are we sure that the ministries that are just emerging even have the possibility of paying a musician? I assure you not...
On the other hand, here there are many musicians who are paid and are not even full-time (many times they are not even Christians, although that depends on the pastors). Even if I had that possibility of getting paid even if I wasn't a full time musician, I would choose to do it for free... Only for God. Although obviously if they want me there all day I would demand payment.
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Entiendo tu punto perfectamente, y de hecho estoy de acuerdo en que a un músico de tiempo COMPLETO se le pague por su servicio, siempre y cuando sea una gran iglesia, YA ESTABLECIDA, con un local, muchos fieles (los suficientes para sostener la obra) y todas esas cosas. Pero te lo digo yo, que soy de Colombia (no sé si esto pase en Estados Unidos). Acá hay muchas iglesias que apenas están comenzando, con menos de 20 fieles incluso (en el caso de mis pastores, la obra se sostiene, y estoy seguro de eso, más que todo por ellos), en las que apenas hay músicos (en la iglesia a la que asisto solo somos 1 guitarrista, yo el pianista y una voz, y yo y el guitarrista cantamos también). Mi pregunta es la siguiente... ¿Estás seguro de que mis pastores podrían pagarme tan siquiera un servicio dominical? ¿Estamos seguros de que los ministerios que apenas están surgiendo, tienen tan siquiera la posibilidad de pagarle a un músico? Yo te aseguro que no...
Por otro lado, acá hay muchos músicos a los que se les paga y ni siquiera son de tiempo completo (muchas veces ni siquiera son cristianos, aunque eso ya depende de los pastores). Incluso si yo tuviera esa posibilidad de que me pagaran aunque no fuera un músico de tiempo completo, escogería hacerlo gratis... Sólo para Dios. Aunque obviamente si me quieren allí todo el día exigiría un pago.
I agree with what you said because it seems like you are coming from a place of LOVE,SKILL, AND HUMILITY.
Ah, thanks my brother!! I appreciate those words, much love! ☀️💚
This topic needs to be talked about more! Great video supporting paying church musicians with accurate scriptural backing!
Thanks so much!! I think this topic is important to share! ☀️💚
KC, God bless you for this video. I've been an advocate of this for years but some pastors are the problem cos they look down on our profession. Thank you bro
Thanks so much for watching my brother! Much love ☀️💚
When Holy Spirit spoke to me and said His House was and is not an employment agency, I listened.
Music is a ministry and what we have today is entertainer's, performer's, artists, celebrities, talented
AMEN! i've been preaching this for years. omg. sooooo true. thank you
Thanks so much for watching!! Much love ☀️💚
If you volunteer for a role, but it morphs into more than you thought it would require, or your life circumstances mean it’s requiring more from you than you deem appropriate then talk with whoever is in charge. It’s probably time for that role to become better defined. If it’s unpaid and there’s no contract then you are under no obligation to continue at all - even if you feel pressure, it’s not your job or your responsibility!! Imagine you turned up to a clothes shop and started folding clothes and putting them back on the hanger. Of course, the shopkeeper would appreciate that, they might even lay off a paid member of staff to make way for you! Eventually, you get sucked into doing it every day from 9 to 5. Everybody assumes that it’s your job - but it isn’t!
Well said!
Kc please loud it ! Drummer are really going through a lot in churches, when their accessories got damaged, nobody cares, they want drummer to keep managing since the snare drum is still sounding even if the kick is no longer working.😀😀😀
Actually you can run a service with just a drummer! I've been doing it for 15 years!!! LOL Just the Praise Team and Me! But in all seriousness, my Apostle takes great care of me. There is not one need that hasn't been met for me. But now I run the entire service myself musically using Prime. I still play the drums of course but I use Prime for music through the whole service. It's fun and I love what I do!!!
Exactly my bro! There’s no worship flow with just drums! Gotta have keys (or stems in your case) as the foundation to have a flow
Yeah, I never have asked for money, yet was always provided for. I just never wanted any Church/Ministry be left out. By not asking no one is left out. It all balances out in the end.
I agree with you, if a Church has the means. In saying this, the Killer of a Worship Leader is the Politics within the Church. There's nothing worse than those who know nothing of Music trying to dictate, as if they did.
For Example, a Pastor wants you to take in someone to be a part of the Worship Team, without even knowing if they are Saved or with a Right Heart. To me, a Worship Leader is the Pastor for the Worship Team and they watch over the Team. You can't have someone just come in and then, later, leave and shake up the whole Team and that was what was happening at one Church I recently left.
If a Pastor is told by God, that this person should be the Worship Leader, they should trust this and stop trying to micro-manage.
Chazz of Jazz
Awesome information. You have eloquently and gracefully expounded on our roles in the Church, and devotion to GOD - which must align to be able to flow. Thank you! 🙏🏾 I am following. Be blessed.
Ah thanks so much sister!! So glad you enjoyed the video, much love and many blessings to you! ☀️💚
Great video.
Have heard of a church that requires all musicians to attend all church services, score the songs as is because the Pastor requires excellence at all time, but does not pay musicians, and does not allow them to gig. However, when the church invites top gospel artists and other pastors, that church pays the guests very well.
This is so wrong. That "pastor" is no pastor at all treating his musicians like that.
I think it depends on the financial status of a musician,,if he/she has a job a real job that provides them an income to sustain for their family,and playing in church or the love of music is only thier passion,then there's no problem if they'll be paid or not,but if playing in the church or the church obliges you to play for them at anytime or if being musician on the church is only the only source of income of a church musician or the ministry wants you full time to be in the church playing, then they should be paid the right amount to sustain thier needs.. it's the church that needs to have the initiative to what thier musicians needs,, specially now that we experience a very high inflation rate going on around the world...more power and God bless us all
FYI most church musicians are not professional but did learn how to play in church and using the church instruments. Most churches are the size of store fronts or slightly larger and don't have the money to play.
There was no levite musicians. It was a priestly position. Period. That doesn't mean they were "skilled" Musicians. However a man is worthy of his wages.
Total Agreement. If you want it done right!
Great insights! Thanks for sharing your perspectives on these matters KC. I love what I do and would do it for free and it is refreshing to hear that a musician of your caliber is humble enough to use your gifts without getting paid for it. Jesus taught freely you have received, freely give. If a church or ministry desires to honor their music team financially they will be blessed for it, but ultimately we owe it to God to give of our best and trust him to provide.
Yes. I think the same. Thanks.
Sir you weren't freely given your piano skill
@@thesoundsofgkez actually I was. There are many people in the world who could sit at a piano for decades and still not be able to play a simple tune because they don't have hands. God gave me hands for free so I use them freely for his glory!
Exactly, lol@@thesoundsofgkez
Excellent subject, K.C. ! Thank you so much for discussing this subject.
Preach KC!!!!
Whoop!! So glad you enjoyed the video! Much love ☀️💚
Played for years and years never a dime. Don't think I would have excepted it if it was offered...a thank you or a gift card would have been nice. But I was doing it to serve God in a capacity that I felt I could worship not for any gain. "What good is my worship without sacrafice" . King David.
This is why I repeatedly state Highly Skilled. It’s impossible to give God an highly skilled, excellent musical service without proper training and many years of top tier schooling. Otherwise, yes most should do it for free with a cheerful heart. #HighlySkilled
What you saying I'm not highly skilled lol.
People’s time, money and effort are valuable. Unless they SPECIFICALLY state that they wish to donate them as part of their financial support of the church?
They need to be paid…and it is exploiting them not to do it. The church shouldn’t expect services for free simply because it is a church.
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Honestly, I used to think that we should all serve for God and God will provide. Basically, work for free and be grateful. As I grew and read the bible, this was not the case, as we have to value people time, skillset and ability and place value on this accordingly.
The issue I have is what I call "Gospel Mercenaries". Great, top-level musicians and singers who go from church to church and only take their wages and build no connection with the church(es). It can get so bad that the church has to schedule an early worship service to accommodate the musicians and singers. I believe if the church wants to pay the musicians and singers, go for it. However, it is a ministry. You should see investments in the community, discipleship in building the next generation of musicians and singers, and growth in their mastery of flow of the service where you can see the holy spirit more so than the wow, he is a great musician or singer (WOW vs POWer section you mentioned). This should be the focus and if it takes a wage, so be it but it is really about your intention and heart. Is your prayer, practice and study all to make a wage or make a difference?
There's maturity in what you're saying. You grow as you read and understand the Word of God. Well said.
Bro thank you about what you said about broke pastors. as a pastors kid i absolute hate the mindset when people think the pastor should be broke to keep them "humble"", meanwhile the church members can be making 200k a year. my dad has to run a side business because not only the church we are at but the past few churches paid him horribly and some expecting him to do church and pastor things full time. Makes me so mad and my dad and MANY other pastors i know deserve So much more but this stupid mindset that they should be broke keeps them broke. I don't care if i get paid 0, 10, or 100 bucks per Sunday but my dad, (the pastor) si the one that puts in horus every week to bring the message every sunday morning and feed his flock, but cant fully devote his time cause he is barely getting pai enough to get by and that honestly makes me furious sometimes.
hi KC, i'm the lover of your musical work and i constantly still from your ideas. concerning the topic i 100% agree with you and thank you for putting the scriptures out there
Thanks KC. For sharing your knowledge
Great message. According to scripture.
Thanks my brother!! Much love ☀️💚
Awesome 😎 the goal is to focus, my dad is a preacher I play at his church for free even though I come across offer's from other churches, he says NO.
I played in a church band about 20 years ago as a teenager, they pretty much begged me to stay on but I studied music full-time right after that so didn't have the time anymore, it gave me a huge advantage because I'd already played over 50 gigs before attending college, that's how I used the experience to my advantage, I was always thinking about it as a craft that you learn to gain experience, it was never about money.
This man inspires me to keep practicing. Love your spirit bro!
This is 100% CORRECT!
Thanks for sharing more light on this KC!!!🙏🙏
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I understand the topic, as a former church musician I don’t get paid, sometimes we get love gifts, I think if the church can pay the church musicians that will be good, but the question is do you serve full time or are you a volunteer, if you are a full time church musician it means you’re working at the church Monday to Sunday you work at the church, yes you should be paid, if you’re a volunteer and you play 2 times a week a love gift or pocket money will work, now if the church hire you to play music because they don’t have good musicians you should be paid, but please understand if the church can’t pay you maybe they need to prioritize to pay the rent the electricity the full time workers.
This topic is getting very popular lately! Wow, I think God is showing me something especially the last couple of months because this is the fourth video that I’ve seen talks about it
It needs to be addressed more in the church! Vitally important!
Thank you for this video!
1 Timothy 5:18 says, "The worker is worthy of his wages.” Case closed.
I have a different opinion to most of you. Can I ask you guys why you go to church? Is it to play instruments? What does church mean to you? I used to play bass at another church after my church and I would see how they would literally take the money from what we given that day. I told them don't pay me. It's an honour and privilege to serve with my gifts and all the good and effort I've put in is nothing compared to Christ's sacrifice. Guys I implore you. Don't do God's work grudgingly. Don't worry about what the guest speaker is getting. Stop seeking for appreciation from men. Seek the Kingdom, God will reward you. If you get paid cool, if you don't cool. Now I'm in a place where that money I would have got paid for in that other church is nothing to me. Find a church where you can develop your spirit man. Where you can grow. This is more important. Get other gigs in between if you want.
So I’m guessing you skipped me saying that I play for free???
@@prettysimplemusic ok let's say you play for free but because you made this video it means you are also looking for payment, your playing is not from the heart
My dad had a very small and beginning church and I was holding down services with terrible drum skills, because thats all we had. If theres a will theres a way 😂