Doublelift was robbed some of those MVPs Bjerg was getting when they were on the same team, in season 6 summer, Bjerg got MVP but Doublelift deserved it more, he was almost exclusively playing Lucian that split with a rookie support, and they won off of it almost solo, and when teams started banning it, they'd still win when he picked sivir.
Really feel like Doublelift deserved the top spot. The guy could not stop winning after 2015 MSG. Also was actually native talent and honestly looked like the best in his role in the LCS almost every year he played.
Double is great but inconsistent he held his team back at worlds so many times its just sad. Bjergsen has by far been more consistent has more mvps for a reason. Consistently beating jensen in lane which is insane considering how good jensen is. Double lift just never had crazy competition sneaky was a good adc but so passive. Also bjergsens never throwed in worlds lol. Always did fine in lane unlike doublelift also bjergsen hard carried his team while having shitty roasters
@@slurp3194 What are you talking about that he never throws at world's. Bjergsen has been completely mediocre internationally. Double made finals of MSI beating world champions IG. Honestly Jensen is better than Bjergsen he's made the world's semi finals. Bjerg literally did nothing internationally.
@@DjokovicIsOurLordAndSaviour realistically no one on this list has ever had success or consistent success at worlds NA as a region internationally has never accomplished anything expcept getting to semi’s once
@@andrewchatman622 Of course not. But, it's all relative. We're comparing NA players with each other. In my opinion semis at world's is the most impressive thing NA has done. Finals at MSI probably a close second. Bjerg did win IEM but that was just about the most sketchy tournament format we've ever seen.
I mean the same could be said for Xmithie winning with multiple orgs, but yeah if you wanted to win NA Doublelift was THE requirement. Sadly couldn't say the same internationally.
Nah man, no one looks at stats, everyone just sees that he lost to DL (AKA the best LCS player of all time). Sneaky had, on average, top 3 KDA and DPM of any adc in the league... despite ranking bottom 3 in kill share and gold share in that same time frame. ADC translation? Dude did MORE, with LESS INVESTMENT, than ANYBODY in the league.
@@BelbyB fully agree. Sneaky, imo is the best player NA has ever produced. Had decent worlds runs as well. Putting him as #7 just goes to show that NA is more about branding than actual quality of play. What a shame.
I would have Sneaky at #2 behind Jensen. Doublelift is the LCS GOAT, but the discrepancy between Sneaky and Doublelift at Worlds is staggering. You can't find unbreakable mental in the stats, so anyone who didn't watch C9 will never understand.
Jatt seemed to have been blinded by nostalgia from when Bjerg was in his peak, but Doublelift clearly have a better career over the years, most LCS titles with 3 different teams too, won 4x back to back titles, Bjerg could not win a title when DL played ever since he was kicked off TSM lol, then DL went back to TSM and carried Bjerg to another title, it's pretty fucking clear that DL is #1 lol
@@MrCharly780 Bjerg made out of groups without DL, LCS wise Bjerg has mainly had the upper hand on Jensen, but international for sure Jensen has done better
On 3 different teams, then went back to TSM and won the split for them WITH BJERG ON IT LOL. In recent years whenever DL was on another team Bjerg could never win the LCS.
No reason to not put DL on #1. Trophies number differences are there and DL had proven to be the keystone of success in 3 different teams with 4-5 different iteration. Bjersen hadn't win without DL since 2015 and DL won back to back to back to back LCS titles without bjerson.
While I do agree with this sentiment, I feel as though DL would not have won that third title had Zven not uhhhh, well fought over a Skarner spire. I was very surprised that DL was 2 and Bjergsen was 1. Bjergsen is my favorite esport player of all time, it feels like the only reason they would give him this spot is because DL hasn’t played in 2 years but Bjerg still is playing.
@@CLNCJD94 They gave it to him for all the MVPs, it's harder to get MVPs as an ADC if your team is destroying the competition during the early game. DL wasn't only an outstanding player, but he was also a great shotcaller, which is something that went unnoticed
Almost like they shouldn’t have spent tons of money replacing the all time best with shiny new imports. There’s a reason they got 3rd/4th now. I honestly have no doubt that roster would still be winning trophies today. It all went downhill after they got rid of xmithy.
@@PeterAlagna nah, LCS was getting more and more competitive, it was only a matter of time until they lost. For instance, even tho they upgraded their roster in 2019, they actually lost more games in the playoffs, in all of 2018 they lost two playoff games. In 2020 Spring they likely would've lost to C9, who may have been the best LCS team of all time.
@@marco5030 yeah, they didn't even make playoffs that split... sure, they could've not benched Doublelift and kept Xmithie but they were not winning that split
@@marco5030 They went from 4 straight back to back to not even making playoffs off of pretty much one switch. Broxah never proved to be an upgrade, in fact it might be the biggest downgrade in lcs history. Obviously there are other factors, but xmithy was absolutely robbed and was never given his due from the community, all because of the stigma around NA players being worse than any import you can buy. Now Steves all import team didn't even make worlds. We can only wonder why.... They did the same thing with jensen this year. Even after a good international showing they throw him away like trash for an "upgrade". I would never play for this team if I was a player. How can you be loyal to an org that you are certain will replace you if they can?
Doublelift quite literally never lost when he played after 2015. Except that one year when broxah had visa issues and he got benched 😅. He’s undoubtedly number with most trophies too. The last time bjergson won was literally the last split doublelift played… he hasnt won without him after 2016-2017
@@lucasalarcon3230 Just ignore what happened in 2015-2017 worlds or 2019 and 2020 international. Also you did watch that msi run right? They were getting 2v2 kill by lvl 3 lol
@@Gurpreet-sv5zg don't need to ignore anything both sucked on international play but dl actually got into finals in the modern era, bj didn't. And dl won way more on NA there is not debate dl is the NA goat
@@lucasalarcon3230 Bro dl has not even made it out of groups lmao. That's a fact. No matter how you try to spin it dl been a bottom 3 player at his role in majority of the international.
Hard to put him above Xmithie or Jensen. He's still the #2 LCS ADC and him having the highest peak internationally doesn't mean he had the best consistency. Jensen and Impact also improved C9's team standings, not just Sneaky. He also only has one single LCS title compared to the others.
@@TheVilleGrizzly With Chris talking about international success, Core went all the way and won in 2017 with Sneaky making it to Semis in 2028. Yes he did it with Samsung but with talking about international success, Core did more
for me it is a doublelift at first.. i started watching at 2016 it felt like if a team had doublelift they are always guaranteed a final's spot at least and he was the main reason of it
@@lightningjuniorsuper Actually on tl if i remember correctly impact was not a big factor at least domestically and he under performed a couple of times two,, getting solo killed in final by bb comes to mind... that tl was al about doublelift as a carry and xmitie as an facilitator..pobelter and jensen were also great but it was about dl
Doublelifts a coin flippy player. Nothing against him but bjergs far more consistent and double always gets shaky at worlds losing hard in lane. Bjergsen always stays even. No one ever dominates bjergsen at worlds in lane. Double lift also had a far stronger team after leaving tsm then bjergsen. You can literally just check the names of the players and u quickly realize how advantaged position double was in
Yeah Bjergsen hasn’t won without DL since 2015 I think. Since then he’s only won with DL and when DL left, DL continued winning while bjergsen struggled.
@@joaobrito2653 Xmithie had a pretty rough showing at worlds that year, so it's a little understandable TL wanted to upgrade. But they've never been able to replicate that since.
When do we speak about jensen beeing consistently top 1 or 2 mid since joining NA, had the best international showings of all na players and had literally not a single bad year (bjerg and dl both had bad years in the lcs) AND made Worlds 8 times in a row? I actually do belive we all are sleeping on jensen
Not really bjergsen never had bad years in lcs and I stand by that statement say what you want but I have never seen bjergsen perform bad individually in lane. Tsm just had really coin floppy roaster after 2015. Bjergsen has never been dominated in lane. Bjergsen always maintained his individual play except this most recent year while I can say he has been underperforming very badly. But besides this bjergsen has been consistently better then jensen individually.
Jensen/blabber are current players with a chance of passing bjerg/dl Need more mvps championships because this is lcs list. Not worlds performance list
But it’s top 10 LCS. I don’t think the count worlds performances. Jensen does perform well at worlds , probably the best on the list but he has some shaky splits in LCS
@@elinikola5816 I'm not talking about the performace during worlds. But in order to go to worlds you need to perform well during the regular split which does seem like an important factor to me
funny, his first comment about bjerg is all he does is win.. and make playoffs. when he just got done saying all DL does is win LCS championships.. and he put bjerg over DL.
@@Cybert0ny WHO THE FUCK ARE THESE ANALYSTS???? Must be a bunch of TSM Reginald's people, because aint no way anyone in their right mind puts Bjergsen over Doublelift, they have to be on some serious copium.
@@ashleynguyen2801 The game has been Mid lane favored and Jungle favored way longer than any AD Carry meta, so more awards are likely to go to a mid laner or a jungler. Hence why only one AD Carry has ever won Worlds MVP, Ruler.
@@ashleynguyen2801 The only awards that really matters is LCS championship. You cling onto Bjerg finals MVP awards as if DL was dead weight on that team. Those two went on head to head in the finals btw but DL won.
Everything Meteos did was/is done better by either Xmithie or Blaber. Secondly, Hai is much like Xmithie in that you can't measure worth purely by stats. You have to watch them play and actually understand the game to truly appreciate. Meteos is like the guy who may or may not pop off and 1v9 carry 4 gold elo in a match vs 5 challenger opponents. But Hai is the guy who would level up his 4 gold elo allies and have them playing like they were master tier all while at least matching his lane counterpart. It's not Hai's individual mechanics that made him so highly valued. It is the out-of-the-box ability to think and find win conditions no matter what kind of corner you put the man in. Meteos might rank higher on an individual 1v1 perspective, but Hai would level up your whole team in a manner that gives you a net gain far greater than the slight loss of 1v1 value he offers relative to Meteos. And that kind of value is so rare to find in players which is what made Hai so great.
@@josephbirrenkott7993 blaber only played on 1 team, and almost all Xmithie’s accomplishments come from being on Doublelift’s team (obviously he was the player DL’s teams needed, but his rosters were way better). Meanwhile Meteos ping from team to team, always putting in very respectable performances with middling rosters punching above their weight. He absolutely deserves to be in the conversation
i think the legacy that stood out the most for Hai was the he was the "shot calling king", his leadership in the game was the strongest narrative in that C9 roster which is why he was on that list, not because of his stats or in game performance. i am a lil salty meteos wasnt on that list tho but i can see why.
@@podefunder First off, as much as DL won his teams championships in NA, he also held back their growth and ability to perform at worlds. Second off, Xmithie went from literally the worst jungler (washed up) when he was stuck with Aphro and Stixxay to best in NA. Xmithie needed DL? No. He could have done that with Sneaky just fine. Or Turtle. Xmithie is the guy who would absorb massive counter-jungle pressure and with zero help from team manage to be ahead of his counterpart by level 6 AND have put his laner(s) in winning position. At worlds with the feed the DL bullshit, top, mid, and jg all suffered twice over for DL's sake and even with everything given him DL couldn't deliver. Meanwhile Xmithie would still hold his own far better while given less. Meteos? After C9, he'd have a few good games here and there and that is it. Lose interest and bail before the team's performance could go south. Pretending otherwise is like saying Dardoch was best jungler NA just because for a few weeks he looked it before every team he was on eventually imploded. Blaber has weak teammates? Fudge basically hard carried the team half of last year. Blaber griefing multiple international games off omg I lost a scuttle crab. It is not even close. You may think otherwise, but that shows how little you understand about the game. Go back and watch S3 SKT. Pay attention to Bengi. When you can truly understand all that he did for his team, then go watch Xmithie's gameplay. Until you can do that, you do not understand.
BS list. I hate doublelift but he’s prolly you’re #1 LCS player of all time right now. Bjerg’s failures recently make me not wanna put him over xsmithie but I can say they’re both right there together and either way is understandable. What they did get right, was impact. He’s #2 in my opinion, and could’ve already been #1 if he stayed on C9. But proud of the guy and all he’s done. The guy is legendary, humble and a true GOAT of the game.
Impact will never be the #1 player as he's simply not the focal point of any team that he's been on. You can't be the best player in LCS history when you were never even the best player on any of your best teams.
See, normally I’d give ya credit for y’all’s line of thinking. Cause the only argument bjerg has, is the 4 MVPs he has, but by that standard you’re saying the best player in LCS history is just about who is the most skilled. In which case I’d say there have been plenty of players that were at or above peak Bjerg. From old dogs like QTPie to new blood like Blabber. There’ve been dominate players that were better than Bjergs 2-3 years of combined good play. In a team game setting, the best player is about someone who slots in well, always at the top of their role, a clutch player and all independent of team performance, thus letting others shine. Which is why I give doublelift the number 1 spot. Although due to roles, him and bjerg got resources and games played around them, rather than left on the island that is top.
@@WhittleDragon There's no way you can say plenty of players have peaked above Bjergsen, you just haven't watched his prime if you think that. He was a legitimate contender for best Midlaner in the west at his peak earlier in his career, international players respected and wanted to play against him at tournaments. He legitimately reshaped NA LCS and forced every other team to look internationally for imports like him, he nearly caused the extinction of NA mids he was so good for his time. Made every LCS final for 9 splits straight, beat the dominant OG C9 and stopped their 3peat attempt, won 5 titles and 4 split MVPs in 4 Seperate years and 4 playoff MVPs in 4 separate years, most recent being 2020 summer in his last Championship run. Like you say the best player is always at the top of their role and Bjergsen from 2014 - 2020, regardless of how good or bad his team was, performed as one of the best Mids in the region. Since All pro began in 2015 Bjergsen has never missed the top 3 all pro teams except for 2020 spring, he has 6 First team selections, only other Midlaner with more in the west is Caps at 7 selections. Blabber could have a greater career one day but that hasn't happened yet, Impact has had a fantastic career but he's never been the best player in LCS, and has often been overshadowed even just as a top laner, he only has 2 First team all pro selections in his entire career. Even if you say it's due to his playstyle and resource allocation, that is a limitation of his play that caused issues for his teams throughout the years when weakside top was not the meta. I do respect him and think he is the 3rd or 4th greatest LCS player ever, but there is no way you can argue him over Bjergsen or Doublelift. There is only one guy you can argue had a better LCS career than Bjergsen, and it's Doublelift. Nobody else is close to those two, and any pro who played against them would tell you the same thing. EDIT: Also there's no way you put QTpie in the discussion with Bjergsen, Double and Blabber lol
@@Commissar1111 I’m gonna try and hit in reverse order, QT was an insane player. Hands down one of the best solo players of the early days of league. He was mechanically insane. But league was also smaller, pro scene limited, and he was just a natural. Bjerg was the same way. But in my opinion at a better time. He came as it was blowing up, he WAS the best mid laner hands down at that time. But as the years passed, he became a KDA player. Jenson and other would flame him for tower hugging and playing for the scaling. Which is honesty just salt, but still something that happened cause other mids were getting better and he couldn’t dominate lane like he could in his early days. And since then bjerg has just been a solid player on good teams. Farm, scale, hopefully team fight well. Doublelift is hands down a better player, cause through all his years of hogging resources, he actually played to abuse that power and attention. He played to impact a game and played that role of Carry. Impact played all the roles of top, from carry to tank, from split push to team fight, from an island to a continent of map pressure. And I think that means a lot from a perspective of being a great an impactful player. Blabber definitely hasn’t had the career to surpass the big dogs yet, but he has most certainly came in at a time of world class junglers playing and the fact he came hot with that kind of competition around should speed up his process of joining these talks. Cause I am a believer in him making this Top 10 list. And I can’t really talk down bjerg, cause I think his regional success is meaningful even if it’s overhyped, and did have that one playoff run in his last year or two where he popped off and showed his actual skill. The bjerg of old and legend that we wished showed up internationally. But it didn’t. Jenson is just the better bjerg with less accolades. A better player, who gets compared to a more successful guy cause it’s still a team game and the guy with the better team gets the hype. Bjerg is great. But I’d say he’s just not on that level of guaranteed top 2 or 3. Xsmithie is an example of a goat where I can only remember his sej ults, but when you sit and think back, he was actually dope for so long. Also at an early point in league, so take that thought in hand. Cause with the world class junglers we have now, times would be tough for a guy like him. But I still give him that spot next to/just below bjerg. EDIT: I know the early days were volatile and their success through times of great change of growth is meaningful. Even more so than the last two years with durability and item rework. Back then, players changed the game, and now riot fucks with the game and players just have to adjust faster.
@@daviddevera4921 yeah, I guess that’s just me wishing he would’ve stayed and C9 won those splits back to back. But now that he’s on EG and knocked TL out, hopefully he can show that he’s a staple of a conversation about world class NA players and teams. Especially with a team that can utilize his range as a player.
Blaber will eventually become the best jungler in lcs history. If he locks in his third title and performs at worlds people will realize how fucking good the psychofish really is
@@slj1537 the thing is he has been good at worlds, except for 2018 when he was still really new to lcs, it's the msi performance in a garbage jungle meta that people remember
@@dylanroessler6810 it frustrates me so much how one play from blaber defined his career. Like people forget that he was one of the main reasons C9 beat rogue in the tie breaker to get out of groups and he absolutely shat on some of the best junglers in the world.
Lol bro you realy want your goat to be someone that never made it out of groups at worlds once even tho he had 6 tries xDDD? Actually that sounds about right for NA xD
@@Tomatoffel but we’re talking about LCS here. Domestically no one has won more times and on more teams than DL. Every team he joined would win lcs multiple times in a row with him. If the list were best internationally performing lcs players then sure don’t put him number 1. But if we’re talking about best LCS players then no question DL should be the top.
Sneaky at 7? Dude got robbed. For most important LCS players of all time, the only reason he doesn't have at least 6 titles is Doublelift. He also, when he retired, had the most worlds games played of any player- More than FAKER. This is slander.
Bjergsen is the correct choice. Doublelift has more LCS titles but Bjergsen was by far the best player on those 2016-2017 TSM team. Doublelift was exposed in 2016 & 2017 Worlds. Bjergsen was either winning lane or trying his best to carry them. That statement from Jatt “He defined how mid lane was played for nearly a decade” and yes, he was the face of the League. Jensen said it once, “When I first came here to NA, everyone was trying to get their hands on a Bjergsen type player”.
Both players had teams built around them. Whenver DL moved teams, the team was always put into - protect the DL mode. Did DL "learn" to play different playstyles? Sure... for about a week or 3 at a time. But always would revert to just give him the resources and let him carry. And hey, it would guarantee you NA champion. But it also meant little team growth, predictability, and no personal improvement in versatility and playing from behind or outnumbered (weak side) compared with other international adc's. Which is why you saw C9 (who made all their players learn that versatility) go further at worlds. So sorry, but you can't sit there and say Bjerg got everything built around him while implying DL didn't. And even with changing teams, 2 of the teams were almost the same roster with different nametags and the 3rd was TSM with Bjerg AND DL together (and nobody to challenge them at the time).
Ive been following doublelift ever since 2015 and i never stopped cheering for him! No matter what team he went to! He inspired me alot even to this day! He's Def #1 to me
That's why MSI 2019 was so hype : - TL was LCS superteam (Impact Xmithie Jensen Doublelift CoreJJ) (SKT Impact had won Worlds 2013 alongside Faker, SSG CoreJJ had won Worlds 2017 against Faker) - G2 was LEC superteam (Wunder Jankos Caps Perkz Mickyx) (at Worlds 2018, G2 Wunder Janks Perkz had eliminated Uzi's RNG although RNG had won MSI 2018 and defeated IG in both Spring and Summer LPL finals) - SKT was LCK superteam (Khan Clid Faker Teddy Mata) (Faker had won Worlds 2013+2015+2016 and MSI 2016+2017, SSW Mata had won Worlds 2014) - IG was 2018 World champions (TheShy Ning Rookie Jackeylove Baolan) (at Worlds 2018, IG had eliminated KT Mata in quarterfinals, G2 Wunder Jankos Perkz in semifinals, and FNC Caps in finals) In group stage : - IG was almost invincible (9-1), winning 2-0 vs both TL and G2 - SKT won 2-0 vs TL and ultimately prevented IG from going 10-0 - G2 won 2-0 vs SKT - TL made it out of groups after failing at MSI 2018 and Worlds 2018 (MSI 2019 was actually the only time Doublelift made it out of groups on international stage during his entire career!) In playoffs : - TL won 3-1 vs IG (huge upset!) - G2 won 3-2 vs SKT (which meant NA vs EU finals!) - G2 destroyed TL 3-0 (Wunder even predicted on Twitter : "Ready for the fastest international bo5 ever played?")
I would've liked this list better if it was players who actually started in LCS. Like CoreJJ was already a world champion by the time he joined LCS, doesn't make sense. Also DL got robbed - DL #1 - Bjergsen #2
This is a weird take. For one thing, CoreJJ technically did start in LCS in 2015 on DIG. Plus if you add that year to the 4 he's spent on TL, he's literally played in LCS for half of its existence (5/10 years). I think that is more than substantial enough to warrant a spot on this list. Would you make the same argument for Impact? He was also a world champ when he arrived, but he's probably been in LCS 3 or 4 times longer than he was in the LCK at this point. What about Bjerg? He was already basically a superstar on Copenhagen Wolves in EU before joining TSM, but no one ever puts him lower than second best LCS player of all time (I agree by the way, DL #1). But you still think he should be on this list right?
This list... Is meh 1. Should be Doublelift no question. He swayed so much power pending the team he was on. 2. Definitely has to be Xmithie like wut???? The most successful player domestically and internationally. 3. Impact 4. Bjerg (barely and I mean barely) 5. Jensen The rest are totally up to discussion but the top 5 are pretty easy when you put the bias aside. Bjerg is a great guy but he's not the best all time for NA he just isn't. And DL is one of the most annoying pro players in any sport but he completely changed the landscape everytime he chose a team. And everyone forgets about Xmithie.
Def Agree I wouldn't even mind seeing Bjerg out of the top 5 what has the man actually done besides just rolling over the league in s4/5 just being mechanically better then alot of bad mids. He's usually just lanes and he's the quietest hyped player ever. He never actually does anything. His mechanics the last several years are subpar. The man has not evolved with the game.
Thank you for actually having a brain and not just going off of how you feel. Xmithie has the same number of championships as Bjergsen but has much more international success
@@Worth817Texas my only problem with that is you have to give bjerg credit for the time he was the premier mid laner no matter how long ago. The reason he is lower though is because unlike Doublelift he didn't keep improving he stagnated.
@@theodorefigueroa9339 True yea he was premier mid when mid lane was very weak in the lcs s4/s5 he was a great player, after those years i never saw him as a great player anymore just a great laner. I'd rather give the guys that have actually went toe to toe with the best in the world more credit then a guy who can beat people that aren't as good as him but crumbles so fast when anyone is better then him.
Doublelift deserves the #1 spot imo, look what DL did for TL, he pretty much solo saved them from relegations, and they won 4x back to back splits with him, he has 8 fucking LCS titles ON 3 DIFFERENT TEAMS... come on man, DL is clearly #1, Bjergsen #2.
@@joshuabryant9845 yeah I think internationally Jensen has been the best performing mid and Sneaky the best ADC. Doublelift was a menace in the LCS but seems like his teams always griefed at worlds
Doublelift should've been 1, there was really a time in LCS where it was DLift vs. Bjerg for NA Goat and DLift won. But seeing 5 out of the Top 6 being TL just shows how dominant that TL run was.
Doublelift 3-0 penta Bjerg at MSG. HotshotGG being the idiot he is, gave DL to TSM to save Bjerg, else CLG would be dominating the entire way. Now TSM rises to the top thanks to DL. Regi being the stupid boi he always is, kicked DL with the approval of Bjerg to form 'bEsT in the wEsT' bot lane. Choked for 3 straight seasons no worlds playing around Bjerg. On the other hand, DL turns TL into the new NA powerhouse replacing TSM. 4 straight championships, MSI Top 2, directly rekt Bjerg rverse swepping him with his shotcalling and leadership. Then Bjerg begs DL to return cause he can't win or make worlds without him and DL gave him his last trophy immediately. Now, Bjerg sees CoreJJ on TL (who explicitly said he joined TL specifically because of Doublelift), and wants to hop onto the bandwagon and TL foundation that DL built. Now he flops again on a superteam and continue to not win without DL. DOUBLELIFT HAS BJERGSEN AND LCS IN THE PALM OF HIS HANDS CONTROLLING EVERYTHING, easy GOAT.
That wasnt double lift vs bjerg that was bjerg vs a super star roaster. If you look at bjergs team its a miracle they even went to game 5 considering zven intended that game. If you watched the games you would also know how hard bjerg carried every single game they won. Its not even close core was huge reason why double was winning. Tl overall was jusr fucking stupid strong
@@slurp3194 The fk you talking bout? BJERGSEN LITERALLY KICKED DL FOR ZVEN MITHY because he's forming a superteam. DL had to gather the scrabs of Trolleh and Trollbelter and still brought TL to the top where they stay while TSM crumble under Bjerg. You bunch of bullshyt. Lol. Bjerg is destroying TL right now as we speak waiting for DL to return to save him again.
DL is number 1. The bias towards Bjergsen everyone has is insane. Bjergsen hasn't won without Doublelift since like 2015. Every single time Bjergsen has won a title since then, DL was on his team. DL is also the reason Impact and Xmithie are the most decorated players in their role. Even CoreJJ hasn't won a title since DL left the team. Both of his titles were with DL. TSM hadn't won a title IN YEARS since DL left, and they only won 2020 summer because they brought him back. There was no way they would have beat TL in 2020 if they kept DL. The bias towards Bjergsen is just cringe. If you look at that "most dominant stint unmatched by any other player" mentioned in this video, it affected the careers of so many and led to the success of so many people who haven't had success IN YEARS without him. Follow the trophy trail, and one name stands above the rest. Doublelift.
THIS, how is the guy that wins WHEREEVER he goes not #1. Teams let him go, they don't win, the teams he joins always win. I don't get how DL leaves TSM, they don't win ever again and DL wins like 4 in a row. He comes back to TSM and right away win again. Doesn't make sense to not have DL #1.
@@ashleynguyen2801 It doesn't matter. Bjergsen hasn't won without DL since freaking 2015. If everything didn't go south with TL for DL in 2020, Bjergsen wouldn't have any titles since like 2017 or 2018. He was just on a super team and didn't even make worlds. Put DL on that roster and they win the whole split guaranteed, no questions asked. C9 won 2020 spring, but guess what? DL was benched from TL and they weren't in playoffs. It didn't even feel like a good win because we won without having to beat DL in 2020. I will never forget telling my friends in Spring 2020 "this win doesn't even feel that good because we didn't have to beat DL to lift this trophy." And I say that as a C9 fan. I'm not some delusional DL fan boy. It's just undisputed the guy is the GOAT of NA. Wherever he went, trophies followed for like 5 straight years. I give respect where it is due. Bjergsen may be a good teammate, and a great player, but to say he is the GOAT of NA when he hasn't been able to win in like 7 years without having the actual NA GOAT on his team is to spit in DL's face. The Bjergsen bias is so insane.
@@ashleynguyen2801 that not true the most relevant element for that run is spica and bb being the stronger top side in the league making tsm the only team knew how to dive top and snowball the Game from there. TSM sucked when playing from behind or when they were on from to back teamcomps
@@lazerfruit2121 Sure, but this is LCS of all time. And if international mattered, I believe Xmithie made it to semi finals of msi? This list still says you wrong.
Not being an import means nothing if someone else was clearly better for longer. Period. Good job, he made the Finals and got pimp slapped by G2, congrats. Not to mention going into knockout stage by being the 4th out of 6 teams at MSI. What an achievement, only edging out minor regions there. Bjergsen with TSM won IEM, an actual international tournament.
@@cryptidian3530 Idk about being better for longer, DL still has more trophies then Bjerg. I can give you IEM, but the teams there weren't really that good aside GE. Also doesn't really matter if they got clapped , they still made GF's so that point still stands. MSI is a bigger tournamant then IEM, 2nd MSI > 1st IEM
Maybe hot take, but Vulcan got absolutely robbed. The man has won more LCS titles than CoreJJ despite playing less time and having a "worse" on paper roster than TL every year. Also qualified for worlds on 3 teams, MSI on 2 teams. Take Hai off (too much focus on legacy) and put Vulcan ahead of Core
Vulcan I can see the argument but Hai needs to be on the list. The shot calling legend was so strong NA teams spent years trying to buy a shot calling player because they thought that's what you needed lol the guy went to worlds from 3 different positions! The legacy was cut short with the wrist injuries but definitely has to be up there
@@ShawnBlaque Agreed. The level in which Hai led and basically just leveled up his entire team through controlling the flow of the map, strategizing, and always finding angles to win are intangible but concrete things to put him on the list. He's won titles, been in Worlds quarters, and role swapping to lead a 10th place team to worlds is no joke.
For me, DL is undeniably the #1 LCS player of all time. The fact that he switched teams so many times and still won championships with them speaks for itself. SO many players never achieve their previous heights when changing teams, and yet DL consistently was a driving factor which led his teams to win trophies, regardless of what team it was. Also imo Blaber > Xmithie. Xmithie is definitely an all time LCS great, and is / was constantly an underappreciated player, but I also think he was jungling at a time where LCS junglers were MUCH worse than what they are today. Blaber has played against insane competition domestically for years, and is almost never out of the question for current best LCS jungler. He has hard carried C9 to so many wins, and several trophies, even with the constant roster shuffles going on around him. I think with time it will become even clearer that he is definitively the #1 LCS jungler of all time.
Bjergsen stayed on TSM forever but the team around him changed 100 times lol. I dont think anyone is doubting that Faker can do well on teams outside of T1 because his teammates are never the same anyway. Not sure why switching the name of the org makes a bigger difference than switching the people you're playing with
as for blaber being better than xmithie: flash smite! i think thats enough. blaber is most likelly the most overvalued jng i ever saw, the guy wouldnt start in any region if he wasnt amarican. bjergsen being no1 is a joke for all. as a EU and unbiased viewer i cant help but put DL at the top, just look at him in all those teams and what he did on them and then compare to bjerg who only did anything relevant on tsm and half of it with DL... betwen bjergsen and jensen its even a close call for who's the better mid laner and we all saw where jensen landed there. biased af list.
Nah xmithie>blabber. Blabber is mechanically better and aggressive, but xmithie wins games which is what matter most. He even performed well internationally.
@@josephinfinity2553 it could be, although I'd argue going to TL where you get to handpick previous successful teamates/proven winners is probably a pretty comfortable transition
I've always thought that DL would have been a better fit in EU, his personality, and with better competetion I think he would have had an even better resume. I'm not certain I would be able to say the same about Bjerg, Bjergs personality seems better for NA.
Honestly, some of the best NA players like DL, Bjerg, Blaber, Dardoch would all be better off in EU and would've probably made it far at worlds with an EU team simply because of the environment and passion compared to NA.
@@Shawn17WiFi What Environment does EU actually have? Only way those players have a chance at a healthy environment is G2. The rest of EU (FNC included) pumps and dumps rookies and players like they have an endless supply (Which they don't). Also, Blaber has had the best jungler worlds showing in NA & EU (Jankos excluded), there's nothing EU can actually give him internationally that C9 hasn't. The passion sure, but I can't stand how people brush over how downright toxic EU teams treat players. There's a reason why EU has been terrible these past few seasons.
@@NotedEcho Nah bro, ive been watching league since s4. The passion and approach to pro play, especially intenationally is way superior in EU. They have a larger playerbase (3x larger), the game is much more popular in EU than in NA, so they take the game a lot more serious than NA, all the teams actually play to win and compete, unlike most of the NA teams just play to not be last place, and could care less about international play. EU teams focus on international which is why they have way more success than NA.
I'm happy to see Impact, that guy is a rock! 1&2 are very interchangable imo really goes to personal preference, but I stick with the one on the video.
Doublelift 3-0 penta Bjerg at MSG. HotshotGG being the idiot he is, gave DL to TSM to save Bjerg, else CLG would be dominating the entire way. Now TSM rises to the top thanks to DL. Regi being the stupid boi he always is, kicked DL with the approval of Bjerg,to form 'bEsT in the wEsT' bot lane. Choked for 3 straight seasons no worlds playing around Bjerg. On the other hand, DL turns TL into the new NA powerhouse replacing TSM. 4 straight championships, MSI Top 2, directly rekt Bjerg rverse swepping him with his shotcalling and leadership. Then Bjerg begs DL to return cause he can't win or make worlds without him and DL gave him his last trophy immediately. Now, Bjerg sees CoreJJ on TL (who explicitly said he joined TL specifically because of Doublelift), and wants to hop onto the bandwagon and TL foundation that DL built. Now he flops again on a superteam and continue to not win without DL. DOUBLELIFT HAS BJERGSEN AND LCS IN THE PALM OF HIS HANDS CONTROLLING EVERYTHING, easy GOAT.
Damn did Sneaky a little dirty by not mentioning never missed a Worlds in his professional career. And is part of the only team to make it to Top 4 from the LCS, cause we are honestly not counting Season 1.
Doublelift should really be first... the international memes follow both those players but double had a finals at MSI... GOAT of NA midlane not GOAT of NA sorry bjerg needs another season or 2 of actually being a top 2 mid.. 3-6 doesn't cut it for a return year.
Making worlds 8 years in a row, finals in MSI, Semi finals in worlds, won 2 titles (hope its 3 soon), and 1 year he is first all time pro and bjergsen still got the mvp for 0 reason. But for the lcs its still not enough
I think it should swap jensen and xmithie, jensen is the forgotten mid cause everyone thinks bjerg is some hero but xmithie was mechanically shit compared to most pros, he was just smart on the map and facilitated which is what jensen does, but jensen is good with his hands and the man just doesn’t miss worlds
@@squidca2455 Xmithie has 6 championships. Jensen only has 2, and he had to join a superteam that had already won without him. Xmithie also won with Stixxay, beating Doublelift and Bjergsen in a finals
@@Tomatoffel yeah not sure how much international competition was taken into account in voting. But yeah BIG flop at world's each year. Crazy how NOT clutch he was at world's.
@@nostalgiacorner1999 obsessed again? favourite word i guess. ok I count for bjerg you count for DL 1vs1 champion. first place. Shit on your boy doublelift. IEM Winner. Beat korean and chinese teams. Made it out of groups at worlds. Seems like an insane achievement. I mean its so insanely hard that DL could not do it once with 6 tries. Like thats not even statistically likely. NAs finest xD Wasnt on the team that got shit on the fastest in a international bo5 ever.
I saw someone’s comment laughing at all the “DL fans crying”. But you can’t argue that DL was the most dominant carry the LCS has seen. Even a double world champion couldn’t beat him!
I’m changing my flow and will root for EG. Impact is one of my all time favorite players. Man that Broxah Impact Jensen and DL team was something nasty. Damn shame they didn’t keep TL team with Jatt as the coach. Time woulda shown how good they all were.
@@TheSergio1021 Facts. Inspired also really good, but it seems like Blaber always has his number. C9 still my favorite team mostly cus of Jensen, Blaber and now fudge.
Bjergsen was literally edging Doublelift in player of the game, player of the series and winning MVP while they were both in the same team. In 2020, DL was literally fucking inting and Bjergsen carried his dead body through the finish line. Saying that DL won Bjergsen his trophies is the funniest joke I ever heard.
@@MrCharly780 Name 1 split that DL had MVP or more player of the series than Bjergsen in their time together. There's none. DL was atrocious in 2020 and I'm not sure how Bjergsen still won LCS with DL's atrocious play in that year.
@@MrCharly780 Bjergsen have 3 titles without DL. And another one straight up turbo consensus carrying him, drawing 5 bans and winning every player of the series award. Along with 5 MVPs: 4 LCS MVP, 1 international MVP. Now name two DL's individual awards.
#1 Doublelift. It's not even close. He was the face of LCS for the longest time. Voted to appear the most number of times in All-Stars events by fans and the only LCS player that foreign players feared back in the day. Known for his Vayne and signature trashtalk, he was a huge personality to watch and he wasn't afraid to speak his own mind. IMO, he was the biggest reason to watch LCS. Doublelift is without a doubt, the greatest NA LCS player of all time.
CoreJJ above Sneaky makes little sense, Sneaky was a top three ADC for 13 straight splits, and top two or top one for many of them. CorrJJ is good, but since Bjerg is above DL and Jensen, clearly how they play internationally isn't taken into account. So why is Core in here when he only has 6 split where he was a top performer, less than half of what Sneaky did.
no shot bjergsen is over doublelift... bjerg hasn't won anything after doublelift left his team, for doublelift to win LCS 4 times in a row. he then came back to bjerg's team, won them a split, left, and bjerg hasnt seen success since.
Tell me you're a casual without telling me you're a casual moments. Bjerg won IEM way back in 2015. DL won MSI while facing G2. G2 beat the stronger teams while TL had the easier route. I love em both but its obvious whos the real winner. Your argument is trash. Go back to bed, kid.
I love how our top spot couldn't go to Doublelift, our actual native NA talent. Still a good list and I don't think there's any real problems with it. Pretty much perfect.
As good as bjergsen is, doublelift is the best talent NA will ever produce, full stop. He deserves the number 1 spot. People forget that bjergsen is European and imported to NA.
@@Shawn17WiFi it's not besides the point. The LCS is north American competition. It's actually extremely relevant to the point. It would be like if they made a top ten lec members of all time and threw reignover in. This video is supposed to be a celebration of what the country has to offer, now I'm not saying bjergssn hasn't earned his place here. He's been in Na longer than most homegrown pros. I'm saying it's weird as fuck to make a video celebrating your regions talent and include people from other regions in it.
Idk if it is recency tho Imma big Bjergsen fan and dl kinda annoys me but i can see facts: DL won more titles with more different teams While bjergs last years werent as good, doublelifts first years in lcs were kinda bad (13/14), but dl actually won 6 splits he competed in a row (if you count out the break at 17 spring)
Nah, I love the list but we all know Doublelift is number 1. No player has ever done what he has done. Won CLG first title,got kicked out went to TSM and won a couple of title. Went to TL for a short time, and carried them out of relegation with an average team. When back to TSM and won some. Got kicked from TSM, went to TL and won a few more. Got kicked from TL because of average spring split performance. Came back to TSM and beat TL to win summer. He is the GOAT. Even as you can see now bjergsen with the highest paid team and the number 1 sup corejj. Still can’t even get to the finals?? It’s a close race between these two but I do believe DL should be 1. One reason that he is 2 is probably because he people who voted was past players, team owners etc . And possibly they voted out of hate cause DL wasn’t the most popular guy outside of the game among players and team owners. But this is about ingame skill not outside relationship.
I just read that Steve for DL at 4th???? Doublelift came to TL and won all that title for u, and u put his at 4? Darius put DL at 5th? It’s a popularity contest and some past grudge
List was great until you said #2. Sad that pandering to more fans is valued higher than just rating them correctly. DL over Bjerg. DL won the most championships of anyone and did it accross 3 different teams. And honestly you can't convince me that Bjerg is even above Jensen. At least if he wins this championship and performs at worlds, it'd be laughable to ever say Bjerg > Jensen ever again.
DL got robbed, DL got 8 tiles, Bjerg got 6, and for some reasons Bjerg is the best LCS players of all times LOL. And Bjerg has won 0 titles after not playing with DL, I guess LCS really hates DL LOL
Gotta agree with many others in comments. In terms of NA specifically, DL is unquestionably number 1. If you consider international performance, I would rate Bjerg higher. But in NA if you had to pick between Bjerg or DL winning you the championship, it was DL 9/10 times. Hence why TSM decided they needed both players.
Thats awesome youd rate bjerg higher internationally, please fill me in on why? Because DL went MSI finals, Bjerg got out of groups at Worlds once. ????
Bjergsen has literally 2 good international showings: IEM Katovice 2015 and Worlds 2014 Yes, DL shit the bed many times too at worlds, but atleast he got more titles Lets be honest internationally both suck
@@tom400iq6ft MSI. That is a far cry from worlds. Also, you can look at the actual gameplay footage bro. Compare him to someone like Uzi. Uzi at worlds 2v3 getting camped and winning lane vs the best adc's in the world. Not some play-in's adc that made it to group stage. Premier NA, EU, LPL or LCK adc. DL gets all the ganks, gets the winning matchup, gets all the roams from mid. He then... barely wins lane and does nothing with it. Can't carry despite all resources invested in him. If he doesn't get those resources invested? He gets crushed. You can't say the same about Bjerg. He doesn't require everything and the kitchen sink handed to him to NOT lose lane then get outperformed post laning-phase. Don't blindly argue back I'm wrong because I'm not. Go re-watch some footage.
@@julianarnold21 Didn't say either were good or great internationally. I said Bjerg was better. You have to consider the resources in-game a team invests in each player too. The more you're given, the more you need to make good on that investment. With mid drafting and roaming bot to support DL getting advantages and jungle playing almost exclusively for bot lane, much must be expected of you. When no such investment is made to Bjerg, less is to be expected of him.
Tough choice on #1 between Bjerg and DL. But I am picking DL as #1. Won LCS titles in 3 different teams.
Doublelift was robbed some of those MVPs Bjerg was getting when they were on the same team, in season 6 summer, Bjerg got MVP but Doublelift deserved it more, he was almost exclusively playing Lucian that split with a rookie support, and they won off of it almost solo, and when teams started banning it, they'd still win when he picked sivir.
haha ur a joke..... Look at international difference. DL got gapped so hard
@@Miro20411 This is a top 10 LCS player ranking though.
@@Miro20411 oh wait bjergsen played at worlds?
3 Different teams because CLG didnt want to play with him anymore. Then got kicked off TL for not giving a shit.
Really feel like Doublelift deserved the top spot. The guy could not stop winning after 2015 MSG. Also was actually native talent and honestly looked like the best in his role in the LCS almost every year he played.
Double is great but inconsistent he held his team back at worlds so many times its just sad. Bjergsen has by far been more consistent has more mvps for a reason. Consistently beating jensen in lane which is insane considering how good jensen is. Double lift just never had crazy competition sneaky was a good adc but so passive. Also bjergsens never throwed in worlds lol. Always did fine in lane unlike doublelift also bjergsen hard carried his team while having shitty roasters
@@slurp3194 What are you talking about that he never throws at world's. Bjergsen has been completely mediocre internationally. Double made finals of MSI beating world champions IG. Honestly Jensen is better than Bjergsen he's made the world's semi finals. Bjerg literally did nothing internationally.
@@slurp3194 0-6?
@@DjokovicIsOurLordAndSaviour realistically no one on this list has ever had success or consistent success at worlds NA as a region internationally has never accomplished anything expcept getting to semi’s once
@@andrewchatman622 Of course not. But, it's all relative. We're comparing NA players with each other. In my opinion semis at world's is the most impressive thing NA has done. Finals at MSI probably a close second. Bjerg did win IEM but that was just about the most sketchy tournament format we've ever seen.
I would personally put DL at number 1 just for his sheer dominance in terms of championships, won it with 3 different orgs and won multiple with 2
didnt he also win 4 in a row on TL? and then beat TL to earn a 5th on TSM
@@nicholastartaglia4276 yup, although he didn't win 5 in a row it was more like 4 in a row then lost in spring and won in summer
nah you just want to put DL 1st coz bjergsen is EU and DL is NA
@@tmax4750 nah dl is just better
I mean the same could be said for Xmithie winning with multiple orgs, but yeah if you wanted to win NA Doublelift was THE requirement. Sadly couldn't say the same internationally.
DL has the most finals, best individual performance internationally 2018, MSI finals 2019, and most wins but he didn't get 1st? Lol
Bro how many times did he made it out of groups at worlds? And how many tries did he had. Can you write that out for me xD?
@@Tomatoffel bjergsen has only made it out once, does that make him better? DL has made msi finals.
@@TheGreatDrummerLevi well but it is only LCS guys. Bjerg had more individual awards than DL
@@Tomatoffel bjergson hasn't made it out of groups since 2015 LOL. At least doublelift performed well individually (except 2020) during World's groups
@@ashleynguyen2801 even then there's a reason why teams that drop DL have YET TO WIN LCS AGAIN
Am I the only one who thinks sneaky at 7 is underselling how good he really was. Also dl should have been 1
Nah man, no one looks at stats, everyone just sees that he lost to DL (AKA the best LCS player of all time).
Sneaky had, on average, top 3 KDA and DPM of any adc in the league... despite ranking bottom 3 in kill share and gold share in that same time frame.
ADC translation? Dude did MORE, with LESS INVESTMENT, than ANYBODY in the league.
@@BelbyB fully agree. Sneaky, imo is the best player NA has ever produced. Had decent worlds runs as well. Putting him as #7 just goes to show that NA is more about branding than actual quality of play. What a shame.
I would have Sneaky at #2 behind Jensen. Doublelift is the LCS GOAT, but the discrepancy between Sneaky and Doublelift at Worlds is staggering. You can't find unbreakable mental in the stats, so anyone who didn't watch C9 will never understand.
“Bjergsen does nothing but win”
...about that
HAHAUAHAU I was thinking the same thing.
Probably they made this video before 2018
@@Darkaitr lmfao😭😭😭
Jatt seemed to have been blinded by nostalgia from when Bjerg was in his peak, but Doublelift clearly have a better career over the years, most LCS titles with 3 different teams too, won 4x back to back titles, Bjerg could not win a title when DL played ever since he was kicked off TSM lol, then DL went back to TSM and carried Bjerg to another title, it's pretty fucking clear that DL is #1 lol
@@Shawn17WiFi He won with wildturtle as his adc when DL took a break.
Bro no way bjerg is above DL. The man wins 4 in a row!!
No way Jensen is below Bjerg as well, he hasn't done shit without DL other than chocking and going 0/6 in worlds lmao.
@@MrCharly780 Bjerg made out of groups without DL, LCS wise Bjerg has mainly had the upper hand on Jensen, but international for sure Jensen has done better
On 3 different teams, then went back to TSM and won the split for them WITH BJERG ON IT LOL. In recent years whenever DL was on another team Bjerg could never win the LCS.
@@Shawn17WiFi Not only did Bjerg never win the LCS he never even made Worlds when DL was on TL.
@@DairyCat Wow that is a crazy stat. And people are still so delusional voting Bjerg as the goat
No reason to not put DL on #1. Trophies number differences are there and DL had proven to be the keystone of success in 3 different teams with 4-5 different iteration. Bjersen hadn't win without DL since 2015 and DL won back to back to back to back LCS titles without bjerson.
without bjerg but had jensen impact and corejj
EXACTLY... what is wrong with Jatt, this needs to be corrected lmao
While I do agree with this sentiment, I feel as though DL would not have won that third title had Zven not uhhhh, well fought over a Skarner spire. I was very surprised that DL was 2 and Bjergsen was 1. Bjergsen is my favorite esport player of all time, it feels like the only reason they would give him this spot is because DL hasn’t played in 2 years but Bjerg still is playing.
Bjerg won without DL in Spring 2017 with WT. If that is the case pre-2015 summer should be included with DL with the 0 trophy case as well.
@@CLNCJD94 They gave it to him for all the MVPs, it's harder to get MVPs as an ADC if your team is destroying the competition during the early game. DL wasn't only an outstanding player, but he was also a great shotcaller, which is something that went unnoticed
It's crazy that TL managed to get 5 out of the top 6 all time greats on a team at the same time.
and that's why they won with them every split they were together iirc, and how they managed to go to MSI finals
Almost like they shouldn’t have spent tons of money replacing the all time best with shiny new imports. There’s a reason they got 3rd/4th now. I honestly have no doubt that roster would still be winning trophies today. It all went downhill after they got rid of xmithy.
@@PeterAlagna nah, LCS was getting more and more competitive, it was only a matter of time until they lost. For instance, even tho they upgraded their roster in 2019, they actually lost more games in the playoffs, in all of 2018 they lost two playoff games. In 2020 Spring they likely would've lost to C9, who may have been the best LCS team of all time.
@@marco5030 yeah, they didn't even make playoffs that split... sure, they could've not benched Doublelift and kept Xmithie but they were not winning that split
@@marco5030 They went from 4 straight back to back to not even making playoffs off of pretty much one switch. Broxah never proved to be an upgrade, in fact it might be the biggest downgrade in lcs history. Obviously there are other factors, but xmithy was absolutely robbed and was never given his due from the community, all because of the stigma around NA players being worse than any import you can buy. Now Steves all import team didn't even make worlds. We can only wonder why.... They did the same thing with jensen this year. Even after a good international showing they throw him away like trash for an "upgrade". I would never play for this team if I was a player. How can you be loyal to an org that you are certain will replace you if they can?
Doublelift quite literally never lost when he played after 2015. Except that one year when broxah had visa issues and he got benched 😅. He’s undoubtedly number with most trophies too. The last time bjergson won was literally the last split doublelift played… he hasnt won without him after 2016-2017
Tbh DL as well has the worst track record internationally. Hell, it's fair to say he's been arguably one of the worst bots internationally.
@@Gurpreet-sv5zg msi finals
@@lucasalarcon3230 Just ignore what happened in 2015-2017 worlds or 2019 and 2020 international. Also you did watch that msi run right? They were getting 2v2 kill by lvl 3 lol
@@Gurpreet-sv5zg don't need to ignore anything both sucked on international play but dl actually got into finals in the modern era, bj didn't. And dl won way more on NA there is not debate dl is the NA goat
@@lucasalarcon3230 Bro dl has not even made it out of groups lmao. That's a fact. No matter how you try to spin it dl been a bottom 3 player at his role in majority of the international.
Sneaky, the only NA ADC to reach Worlds Semis with C9, Sneaky > CoreJJ, at least needs to be on Top 5.
Core won a World Championship the year prior to Sneaky making semis
Hard to put him above Xmithie or Jensen. He's still the #2 LCS ADC and him having the highest peak internationally doesn't mean he had the best consistency. Jensen and Impact also improved C9's team standings, not just Sneaky. He also only has one single LCS title compared to the others.
@@The_Second with which NA team? Seeing as this is LCS Top 10
@@TheVilleGrizzly With Chris talking about international success, Core went all the way and won in 2017 with Sneaky making it to Semis in 2028. Yes he did it with Samsung but with talking about international success, Core did more
@@The_Second under the lck flag
for me it is a doublelift at first.. i started watching at 2016 it felt like if a team had doublelift they are always guaranteed a final's spot at least and he was the main reason of it
I wouldnt say main reason but he was ONE OF the reasons for it.
on tsm it was him and bjerg then on TL it was him and impact with a dash of Jensen.
@@lightningjuniorsuper Actually on tl if i remember correctly impact was not a big factor at least domestically and he under performed a couple of times two,, getting solo killed in final by bb comes to mind... that tl was al about doublelift as a carry and xmitie as an facilitator..pobelter and jensen were also great but it was about dl
@@lightningjuniorsuper he won without jensen he literally have jensen a title jensen first regular season on tl was meh he was role playing
Doublelifts a coin flippy player. Nothing against him but bjergs far more consistent and double always gets shaky at worlds losing hard in lane. Bjergsen always stays even. No one ever dominates bjergsen at worlds in lane. Double lift also had a far stronger team after leaving tsm then bjergsen. You can literally just check the names of the players and u quickly realize how advantaged position double was in
@@slurp3194 coin Flipper he won the title like every split outside 2 that literally not a coin flip
DL had a lot of troubling things going on in his personal life and he still carried his team. Definitely #1 and I’m a huge fan of Bjergson.
Real life Sasuke
How is doublelift not #1 won championships on 3 different teams and made an MSI finals
Yeah Bjergsen hasn’t won without DL since 2015 I think. Since then he’s only won with DL and when DL left, DL continued winning while bjergsen struggled.
@@Glazierstar DL won 4x back to back championships while Bjerg could not beat him lmao.
Impressive that the entirety of 2019 TL is on this list.
By LCS standards, that was the super team. Shame greed got the better of em.
then they chose to fuck the roster because why not
@@walterhenry9574 greed? The people that left that team, aka xmithie, got kicked from the team
@@joaobrito2653 i think he meant the team was greedy, not the players
@@joaobrito2653 Xmithie had a pretty rough showing at worlds that year, so it's a little understandable TL wanted to upgrade. But they've never been able to replicate that since.
When do we speak about jensen beeing consistently top 1 or 2 mid since joining NA, had the best international showings of all na players and had literally not a single bad year (bjerg and dl both had bad years in the lcs) AND made Worlds 8 times in a row?
I actually do belive we all are sleeping on jensen
Not really bjergsen never had bad years in lcs and I stand by that statement say what you want but I have never seen bjergsen perform bad individually in lane. Tsm just had really coin floppy roaster after 2015. Bjergsen has never been dominated in lane. Bjergsen always maintained his individual play except this most recent year while I can say he has been underperforming very badly. But besides this bjergsen has been consistently better then jensen individually.
Yeah kinda sad that they didn't mention that Jensen went to worlds every season he played
Jensen/blabber are current players with a chance of passing bjerg/dl
Need more mvps championships because this is lcs list. Not worlds performance list
But it’s top 10 LCS. I don’t think the count worlds performances. Jensen does perform well at worlds , probably the best on the list but he has some shaky splits in LCS
@@elinikola5816 I'm not talking about the performace during worlds. But in order to go to worlds you need to perform well during the regular split which does seem like an important factor to me
funny, his first comment about bjerg is all he does is win.. and make playoffs. when he just got done saying all DL does is win LCS championships.. and he put bjerg over DL.
He didnt make this list. He's just announcing the results from the analysts that submitted their top 10s.
@@Cybert0ny WHO THE FUCK ARE THESE ANALYSTS???? Must be a bunch of TSM Reginald's people, because aint no way anyone in their right mind puts Bjergsen over Doublelift, they have to be on some serious copium.
@@Shawn17WiFi Doublelift was in TSM so that arguement really doesn't work
@@Cybert0ny you probably dont know about the regi DL beef huh
This Video for Bjergsen to make him feel better after poor performance and miss worlds
Lmao facts
DL Should be #1 and it's not even close.
3 Championship on 3 different teams
saving TL from relegation
Remember when DL Trophy case was just a meme
No way in hell Bjerg is above DL.
DL is by far the goat of LCS.
DL has won more titles than bjerg and on 3 FREAKING DIFFERENT TEAMS.
But Bjerg had more individual awards than DL
nah bjerg better
@@ashleynguyen2801 The game has been Mid lane favored and Jungle favored way longer than any AD Carry meta, so more awards are likely to go to a mid laner or a jungler. Hence why only one AD Carry has ever won Worlds MVP, Ruler.
@@FilterBySubgenre it doesnt matter. Both of them should be in #1 for me
@@ashleynguyen2801 The only awards that really matters is LCS championship. You cling onto Bjerg finals MVP awards as if DL was dead weight on that team. Those two went on head to head in the finals btw but DL won.
I find it odd to see Hai and not Meteos. Had a longer career and same success, and was arguably a bigger carry for OG C9 than Hai
Everything Meteos did was/is done better by either Xmithie or Blaber.
Secondly, Hai is much like Xmithie in that you can't measure worth purely by stats. You have to watch them play and actually understand the game to truly appreciate.
Meteos is like the guy who may or may not pop off and 1v9 carry 4 gold elo in a match vs 5 challenger opponents. But Hai is the guy who would level up his 4 gold elo allies and have them playing like they were master tier all while at least matching his lane counterpart.
It's not Hai's individual mechanics that made him so highly valued. It is the out-of-the-box ability to think and find win conditions no matter what kind of corner you put the man in. Meteos might rank higher on an individual 1v1 perspective, but Hai would level up your whole team in a manner that gives you a net gain far greater than the slight loss of 1v1 value he offers relative to Meteos. And that kind of value is so rare to find in players which is what made Hai so great.
@@josephbirrenkott7993 blaber only played on 1 team, and almost all Xmithie’s accomplishments come from being on Doublelift’s team (obviously he was the player DL’s teams needed, but his rosters were way better). Meanwhile Meteos ping from team to team, always putting in very respectable performances with middling rosters punching above their weight. He absolutely deserves to be in the conversation
@@josephbirrenkott7993 Hai would be greater but his hand injury :(
i think the legacy that stood out the most for Hai was the he was the "shot calling king", his leadership in the game was the strongest narrative in that C9 roster which is why he was on that list, not because of his stats or in game performance. i am a lil salty meteos wasnt on that list tho but i can see why.
@@podefunder First off, as much as DL won his teams championships in NA, he also held back their growth and ability to perform at worlds.
Second off, Xmithie went from literally the worst jungler (washed up) when he was stuck with Aphro and Stixxay to best in NA. Xmithie needed DL? No. He could have done that with Sneaky just fine. Or Turtle. Xmithie is the guy who would absorb massive counter-jungle pressure and with zero help from team manage to be ahead of his counterpart by level 6 AND have put his laner(s) in winning position.
At worlds with the feed the DL bullshit, top, mid, and jg all suffered twice over for DL's sake and even with everything given him DL couldn't deliver. Meanwhile Xmithie would still hold his own far better while given less.
Meteos? After C9, he'd have a few good games here and there and that is it. Lose interest and bail before the team's performance could go south. Pretending otherwise is like saying Dardoch was best jungler NA just because for a few weeks he looked it before every team he was on eventually imploded.
Blaber has weak teammates? Fudge basically hard carried the team half of last year. Blaber griefing multiple international games off omg I lost a scuttle crab.
It is not even close. You may think otherwise, but that shows how little you understand about the game. Go back and watch S3 SKT. Pay attention to Bengi. When you can truly understand all that he did for his team, then go watch Xmithie's gameplay. Until you can do that, you do not understand.
BS list. I hate doublelift but he’s prolly you’re #1 LCS player of all time right now.
Bjerg’s failures recently make me not wanna put him over xsmithie but I can say they’re both right there together and either way is understandable.
What they did get right, was impact. He’s #2 in my opinion, and could’ve already been #1 if he stayed on C9. But proud of the guy and all he’s done. The guy is legendary, humble and a true GOAT of the game.
Impact will never be the #1 player as he's simply not the focal point of any team that he's been on. You can't be the best player in LCS history when you were never even the best player on any of your best teams.
See, normally I’d give ya credit for y’all’s line of thinking. Cause the only argument bjerg has, is the 4 MVPs he has, but by that standard you’re saying the best player in LCS history is just about who is the most skilled. In which case I’d say there have been plenty of players that were at or above peak Bjerg.
From old dogs like QTPie to new blood like Blabber. There’ve been dominate players that were better than Bjergs 2-3 years of combined good play.
In a team game setting, the best player is about someone who slots in well, always at the top of their role, a clutch player and all independent of team performance, thus letting others shine. Which is why I give doublelift the number 1 spot. Although due to roles, him and bjerg got resources and games played around them, rather than left on the island that is top.
@@WhittleDragon There's no way you can say plenty of players have peaked above Bjergsen, you just haven't watched his prime if you think that. He was a legitimate contender for best Midlaner in the west at his peak earlier in his career, international players respected and wanted to play against him at tournaments. He legitimately reshaped NA LCS and forced every other team to look internationally for imports like him, he nearly caused the extinction of NA mids he was so good for his time. Made every LCS final for 9 splits straight, beat the dominant OG C9 and stopped their 3peat attempt, won 5 titles and 4 split MVPs in 4 Seperate years and 4 playoff MVPs in 4 separate years, most recent being 2020 summer in his last Championship run. Like you say the best player is always at the top of their role and Bjergsen from 2014 - 2020, regardless of how good or bad his team was, performed as one of the best Mids in the region. Since All pro began in 2015 Bjergsen has never missed the top 3 all pro teams except for 2020 spring, he has 6 First team selections, only other Midlaner with more in the west is Caps at 7 selections.
Blabber could have a greater career one day but that hasn't happened yet, Impact has had a fantastic career but he's never been the best player in LCS, and has often been overshadowed even just as a top laner, he only has 2 First team all pro selections in his entire career. Even if you say it's due to his playstyle and resource allocation, that is a limitation of his play that caused issues for his teams throughout the years when weakside top was not the meta. I do respect him and think he is the 3rd or 4th greatest LCS player ever, but there is no way you can argue him over Bjergsen or Doublelift.
There is only one guy you can argue had a better LCS career than Bjergsen, and it's Doublelift. Nobody else is close to those two, and any pro who played against them would tell you the same thing.
EDIT: Also there's no way you put QTpie in the discussion with Bjergsen, Double and Blabber lol
@@Commissar1111 I’m gonna try and hit in reverse order, QT was an insane player. Hands down one of the best solo players of the early days of league. He was mechanically insane. But league was also smaller, pro scene limited, and he was just a natural.
Bjerg was the same way. But in my opinion at a better time. He came as it was blowing up, he WAS the best mid laner hands down at that time. But as the years passed, he became a KDA player. Jenson and other would flame him for tower hugging and playing for the scaling. Which is honesty just salt, but still something that happened cause other mids were getting better and he couldn’t dominate lane like he could in his early days. And since then bjerg has just been a solid player on good teams. Farm, scale, hopefully team fight well.
Doublelift is hands down a better player, cause through all his years of hogging resources, he actually played to abuse that power and attention. He played to impact a game and played that role of Carry.
Impact played all the roles of top, from carry to tank, from split push to team fight, from an island to a continent of map pressure. And I think that means a lot from a perspective of being a great an impactful player.
Blabber definitely hasn’t had the career to surpass the big dogs yet, but he has most certainly came in at a time of world class junglers playing and the fact he came hot with that kind of competition around should speed up his process of joining these talks. Cause I am a believer in him making this Top 10 list.
And I can’t really talk down bjerg, cause I think his regional success is meaningful even if it’s overhyped, and did have that one playoff run in his last year or two where he popped off and showed his actual skill. The bjerg of old and legend that we wished showed up internationally. But it didn’t.
Jenson is just the better bjerg with less accolades. A better player, who gets compared to a more successful guy cause it’s still a team game and the guy with the better team gets the hype.
Bjerg is great. But I’d say he’s just not on that level of guaranteed top 2 or 3.
Xsmithie is an example of a goat where I can only remember his sej ults, but when you sit and think back, he was actually dope for so long. Also at an early point in league, so take that thought in hand. Cause with the world class junglers we have now, times would be tough for a guy like him. But I still give him that spot next to/just below bjerg.
EDIT: I know the early days were volatile and their success through times of great change of growth is meaningful. Even more so than the last two years with durability and item rework. Back then, players changed the game, and now riot fucks with the game and players just have to adjust faster.
@@daviddevera4921 yeah, I guess that’s just me wishing he would’ve stayed and C9 won those splits back to back.
But now that he’s on EG and knocked TL out, hopefully he can show that he’s a staple of a conversation about world class NA players and teams. Especially with a team that can utilize his range as a player.
good too see blaber get the respect he deserves, so many people hate on him and still call him a coinflip player
He’s what spica wants to be. Funny how people praise spica for being on a shit team when he’s even more coin flip than blaber.
Blaber will eventually become the best jungler in lcs history. If he locks in his third title and performs at worlds people will realize how fucking good the psychofish really is
@@slj1537 the thing is he has been good at worlds, except for 2018 when he was still really new to lcs, it's the msi performance in a garbage jungle meta that people remember
Agree. You don't improve by playing it safe. Blaber is getting better every season and I can't wait to see where he goes.
@@dylanroessler6810 it frustrates me so much how one play from blaber defined his career. Like people forget that he was one of the main reasons C9 beat rogue in the tie breaker to get out of groups and he absolutely shat on some of the best junglers in the world.
i love bjerg, but man DL got robbed
Agreed.
Lol bro you realy want your goat to be someone that never made it out of groups at worlds once even tho he had 6 tries xDDD?
Actually that sounds about right for NA xD
@@Tomatoffel did Bjergsen make it out of groups either?
@@Tomatoffel but we’re talking about LCS here. Domestically no one has won more times and on more teams than DL. Every team he joined would win lcs multiple times in a row with him. If the list were best internationally performing lcs players then sure don’t put him number 1. But if we’re talking about best LCS players then no question DL should be the top.
@@Tomatoffel Bjergsen and TL haven't won LCS since DL left. He also won the last 2 finals against Berg (CLG 2015 and TL 2019)
Sneaky at 7? Dude got robbed. For most important LCS players of all time, the only reason he doesn't have at least 6 titles is Doublelift. He also, when he retired, had the most worlds games played of any player- More than FAKER. This is slander.
Agreed played well on the big stage like world's
That's what I'm saying lol. Sneaky best NA talent yet.
Having CoreJJ above Sneaky is laughable for me
Bjergsen is the correct choice. Doublelift has more LCS titles but Bjergsen was by far the best player on those 2016-2017 TSM team. Doublelift was exposed in 2016 & 2017 Worlds. Bjergsen was either winning lane or trying his best to carry them.
That statement from Jatt “He defined how mid lane was played for nearly a decade” and yes, he was the face of the League. Jensen said it once, “When I first came here to NA, everyone was trying to get their hands on a Bjergsen type player”.
DL should've been #1. No hate on Bjerg. DL has won multiple teams with different playstyles. Bjerg just had TSM build around him imo.
Both players had teams built around them. Whenver DL moved teams, the team was always put into - protect the DL mode. Did DL "learn" to play different playstyles? Sure... for about a week or 3 at a time. But always would revert to just give him the resources and let him carry. And hey, it would guarantee you NA champion.
But it also meant little team growth, predictability, and no personal improvement in versatility and playing from behind or outnumbered (weak side) compared with other international adc's. Which is why you saw C9 (who made all their players learn that versatility) go further at worlds.
So sorry, but you can't sit there and say Bjerg got everything built around him while implying DL didn't. And even with changing teams, 2 of the teams were almost the same roster with different nametags and the 3rd was TSM with Bjerg AND DL together (and nobody to challenge them at the time).
Basically C9 + TL players + Aphroo
Bjerg and DL are ex TSM
if we're going that far DL + Aphroo are CLG
Ive been following doublelift ever since 2015 and i never stopped cheering for him! No matter what team he went to! He inspired me alot even to this day! He's Def #1 to me
That's why MSI 2019 was so hype :
- TL was LCS superteam (Impact Xmithie Jensen Doublelift CoreJJ) (SKT Impact had won Worlds 2013 alongside Faker, SSG CoreJJ had won Worlds 2017 against Faker)
- G2 was LEC superteam (Wunder Jankos Caps Perkz Mickyx) (at Worlds 2018, G2 Wunder Janks Perkz had eliminated Uzi's RNG although RNG had won MSI 2018 and defeated IG in both Spring and Summer LPL finals)
- SKT was LCK superteam (Khan Clid Faker Teddy Mata) (Faker had won Worlds 2013+2015+2016 and MSI 2016+2017, SSW Mata had won Worlds 2014)
- IG was 2018 World champions (TheShy Ning Rookie Jackeylove Baolan) (at Worlds 2018, IG had eliminated KT Mata in quarterfinals, G2 Wunder Jankos Perkz in semifinals, and FNC Caps in finals)
In group stage :
- IG was almost invincible (9-1), winning 2-0 vs both TL and G2
- SKT won 2-0 vs TL and ultimately prevented IG from going 10-0
- G2 won 2-0 vs SKT
- TL made it out of groups after failing at MSI 2018 and Worlds 2018 (MSI 2019 was actually the only time Doublelift made it out of groups on international stage during his entire career!)
In playoffs :
- TL won 3-1 vs IG (huge upset!)
- G2 won 3-2 vs SKT (which meant NA vs EU finals!)
- G2 destroyed TL 3-0 (Wunder even predicted on Twitter : "Ready for the fastest international bo5 ever played?")
I would've liked this list better if it was players who actually started in LCS. Like CoreJJ was already a world champion by the time he joined LCS, doesn't make sense.
Also DL got robbed - DL #1 - Bjergsen #2
This is a weird take.
For one thing, CoreJJ technically did start in LCS in 2015 on DIG. Plus if you add that year to the 4 he's spent on TL, he's literally played in LCS for half of its existence (5/10 years). I think that is more than substantial enough to warrant a spot on this list.
Would you make the same argument for Impact? He was also a world champ when he arrived, but he's probably been in LCS 3 or 4 times longer than he was in the LCK at this point.
What about Bjerg? He was already basically a superstar on Copenhagen Wolves in EU before joining TSM, but no one ever puts him lower than second best LCS player of all time (I agree by the way, DL #1). But you still think he should be on this list right?
Like alot of the comments doublelift and bjerg should be swapped.
This list... Is meh
1. Should be Doublelift no question. He swayed so much power pending the team he was on.
2. Definitely has to be Xmithie like wut???? The most successful player domestically and internationally.
3. Impact
4. Bjerg (barely and I mean barely)
5. Jensen
The rest are totally up to discussion but the top 5 are pretty easy when you put the bias aside. Bjerg is a great guy but he's not the best all time for NA he just isn't. And DL is one of the most annoying pro players in any sport but he completely changed the landscape everytime he chose a team. And everyone forgets about Xmithie.
Someone with an actual brain. I like it.
Def Agree I wouldn't even mind seeing Bjerg out of the top 5 what has the man actually done besides just rolling over the league in s4/5 just being mechanically better then alot of bad mids. He's usually just lanes and he's the quietest hyped player ever. He never actually does anything. His mechanics the last several years are subpar. The man has not evolved with the game.
Thank you for actually having a brain and not just going off of how you feel. Xmithie has the same number of championships as Bjergsen but has much more international success
@@Worth817Texas my only problem with that is you have to give bjerg credit for the time he was the premier mid laner no matter how long ago. The reason he is lower though is because unlike Doublelift he didn't keep improving he stagnated.
@@theodorefigueroa9339 True yea he was premier mid when mid lane was very weak in the lcs s4/s5 he was a great player, after those years i never saw him as a great player anymore just a great laner. I'd rather give the guys that have actually went toe to toe with the best in the world more credit then a guy who can beat people that aren't as good as him but crumbles so fast when anyone is better then him.
Doublelift deserves the #1 spot imo, look what DL did for TL, he pretty much solo saved them from relegations, and they won 4x back to back splits with him, he has 8 fucking LCS titles ON 3 DIFFERENT TEAMS... come on man, DL is clearly #1, Bjergsen #2.
Imagine putting Bjerg above DL. XD
How is DL Not number 1
i feel like sneaky got snubbed a bit, i think he deserves to be top 5
always underrated. If this included international performance he'd be near the top. People forget he lead worlds in dpm one year. lol
@@joshuabryant9845 yeah I think internationally Jensen has been the best performing mid and Sneaky the best ADC. Doublelift was a menace in the LCS but seems like his teams always griefed at worlds
Should be above Corejj at least, but not top 5. He only has two titles and got outclassed by Doublelift every year in Lcs
Doublelift should've been 1, there was really a time in LCS where it was DLift vs. Bjerg for NA Goat and DLift won. But seeing 5 out of the Top 6 being TL just shows how dominant that TL run was.
BACK TO BACK TO BACK TO BACK
Doublelift 3-0 penta Bjerg at MSG.
HotshotGG being the idiot he is, gave DL to TSM to save Bjerg, else CLG would be dominating the entire way.
Now TSM rises to the top thanks to DL. Regi being the stupid boi he always is, kicked DL with the approval of Bjerg to form 'bEsT in the wEsT' bot lane. Choked for 3 straight seasons no worlds playing around Bjerg.
On the other hand, DL turns TL into the new NA powerhouse replacing TSM. 4 straight championships, MSI Top 2, directly rekt Bjerg rverse swepping him with his shotcalling and leadership.
Then Bjerg begs DL to return cause he can't win or make worlds without him and DL gave him his last trophy immediately.
Now, Bjerg sees CoreJJ on TL (who explicitly said he joined TL specifically because of Doublelift), and wants to hop onto the bandwagon and TL foundation that DL built.
Now he flops again on a superteam and continue to not win without DL.
DOUBLELIFT HAS BJERGSEN AND LCS IN THE PALM OF HIS HANDS CONTROLLING EVERYTHING, easy GOAT.
That wasnt double lift vs bjerg that was bjerg vs a super star roaster. If you look at bjergs team its a miracle they even went to game 5 considering zven intended that game. If you watched the games you would also know how hard bjerg carried every single game they won. Its not even close core was huge reason why double was winning. Tl overall was jusr fucking stupid strong
@@slurp3194 The fk you talking bout? BJERGSEN LITERALLY KICKED DL FOR ZVEN MITHY because he's forming a superteam. DL had to gather the scrabs of Trolleh and Trollbelter and still brought TL to the top where they stay while TSM crumble under Bjerg. You bunch of bullshyt. Lol. Bjerg is destroying TL right now as we speak waiting for DL to return to save him again.
DL is number 1. The bias towards Bjergsen everyone has is insane.
Bjergsen hasn't won without Doublelift since like 2015. Every single time Bjergsen has won a title since then, DL was on his team.
DL is also the reason Impact and Xmithie are the most decorated players in their role.
Even CoreJJ hasn't won a title since DL left the team. Both of his titles were with DL.
TSM hadn't won a title IN YEARS since DL left, and they only won 2020 summer because they brought him back. There was no way they would have beat TL in 2020 if they kept DL.
The bias towards Bjergsen is just cringe. If you look at that "most dominant stint unmatched by any other player" mentioned in this video, it affected the careers of so many and led to the success of so many people who haven't had success IN YEARS without him.
Follow the trophy trail, and one name stands above the rest. Doublelift.
THIS, how is the guy that wins WHEREEVER he goes not #1. Teams let him go, they don't win, the teams he joins always win. I don't get how DL leaves TSM, they don't win ever again and DL wins like 4 in a row. He comes back to TSM and right away win again. Doesn't make sense to not have DL #1.
@@Kevin-jz4tj DL came back TSM but the one who carried TSM to the title in 2020 was Bjergsen
@@ashleynguyen2801 It doesn't matter. Bjergsen hasn't won without DL since freaking 2015. If everything didn't go south with TL for DL in 2020, Bjergsen wouldn't have any titles since like 2017 or 2018. He was just on a super team and didn't even make worlds. Put DL on that roster and they win the whole split guaranteed, no questions asked.
C9 won 2020 spring, but guess what? DL was benched from TL and they weren't in playoffs. It didn't even feel like a good win because we won without having to beat DL in 2020. I will never forget telling my friends in Spring 2020 "this win doesn't even feel that good because we didn't have to beat DL to lift this trophy."
And I say that as a C9 fan. I'm not some delusional DL fan boy. It's just undisputed the guy is the GOAT of NA. Wherever he went, trophies followed for like 5 straight years. I give respect where it is due.
Bjergsen may be a good teammate, and a great player, but to say he is the GOAT of NA when he hasn't been able to win in like 7 years without having the actual NA GOAT on his team is to spit in DL's face.
The Bjergsen bias is so insane.
@@ashleynguyen2801 that not true the most relevant element for that run is spica and bb being the stronger top side in the league making tsm the only team knew how to dive top and snowball the Game from there. TSM sucked when playing from behind or when they were on from to back teamcomps
@@lucasalarcon3230 yeah was spica really big in their win. he even inspired jankos to pick shen against FNC :D
DL never hard carried a team the way Bjerg has, including teams with DL on them. Bjerg is the GOAT, for sure.
Not half of the C9 roster on the top 10 list. Talk about impact. I agree with this list. They are all Legends.
List should be
1 DL
2 Bjerg
3 Impact
4 Jensen
5 Sneaky
6 Xmithie
7 Aphro
8 CoreJJ
9 Blaber
10 Hai
No. Xmithie has 6 titles lol. More than Jensen and Sneaky combined. And this coming from a die hard c9 fan
@@jameslufkin1190 sneaky and jensen have been out of groups at worlds
@@lazerfruit2121 Sure, but this is LCS of all time. And if international mattered, I believe Xmithie made it to semi finals of msi? This list still says you wrong.
DL should be number 1 imo.
- Not an Import
- More LCS Titles
- Made Grand Finals in MSI
Not being an import means nothing if someone else was clearly better for longer. Period.
Good job, he made the Finals and got pimp slapped by G2, congrats. Not to mention going into knockout stage by being the 4th out of 6 teams at MSI. What an achievement, only edging out minor regions there.
Bjergsen with TSM won IEM, an actual international tournament.
@@cryptidian3530 Idk about being better for longer, DL still has more trophies then Bjerg. I can give you IEM, but the teams there weren't really that good aside GE. Also doesn't really matter if they got clapped , they still made GF's so that point still stands. MSI is a bigger tournamant then IEM, 2nd MSI > 1st IEM
Maybe hot take, but Vulcan got absolutely robbed. The man has won more LCS titles than CoreJJ despite playing less time and having a "worse" on paper roster than TL every year. Also qualified for worlds on 3 teams, MSI on 2 teams.
Take Hai off (too much focus on legacy) and put Vulcan ahead of Core
Vulcan I can see the argument but Hai needs to be on the list. The shot calling legend was so strong NA teams spent years trying to buy a shot calling player because they thought that's what you needed lol the guy went to worlds from 3 different positions! The legacy was cut short with the wrist injuries but definitely has to be up there
All-time list = legacy though. ???
@@ShawnBlaque That's true. Vulcan does deserve to be on the list though.
@@ShawnBlaque Agreed. The level in which Hai led and basically just leveled up his entire team through controlling the flow of the map, strategizing, and always finding angles to win are intangible but concrete things to put him on the list. He's won titles, been in Worlds quarters, and role swapping to lead a 10th place team to worlds is no joke.
I think double should been #1 Bjerg couldn’t win a title again for years until double was back on his team.
Literally half of these players kickstarted their LCS careers on C9
10. Blaber
9. Hai
7. Snacky
5. Jensen
3. Impact
idk about impact there. really don't know
@@lympharia8257 learn to read
@@ozmega man he was on impulse AND on NRG in NA before he went to c9.
@@ozmega he played on impulse before C9.
Man I love Snacky
For me, DL is undeniably the #1 LCS player of all time. The fact that he switched teams so many times and still won championships with them speaks for itself. SO many players never achieve their previous heights when changing teams, and yet DL consistently was a driving factor which led his teams to win trophies, regardless of what team it was.
Also imo Blaber > Xmithie. Xmithie is definitely an all time LCS great, and is / was constantly an underappreciated player, but I also think he was jungling at a time where LCS junglers were MUCH worse than what they are today. Blaber has played against insane competition domestically for years, and is almost never out of the question for current best LCS jungler. He has hard carried C9 to so many wins, and several trophies, even with the constant roster shuffles going on around him. I think with time it will become even clearer that he is definitively the #1 LCS jungler of all time.
Bjergsen stayed on TSM forever but the team around him changed 100 times lol. I dont think anyone is doubting that Faker can do well on teams outside of T1 because his teammates are never the same anyway. Not sure why switching the name of the org makes a bigger difference than switching the people you're playing with
as for blaber being better than xmithie: flash smite! i think thats enough. blaber is most likelly the most overvalued jng i ever saw, the guy wouldnt start in any region if he wasnt amarican.
bjergsen being no1 is a joke for all. as a EU and unbiased viewer i cant help but put DL at the top, just look at him in all those teams and what he did on them and then compare to bjerg who only did anything relevant on tsm and half of it with DL... betwen bjergsen and jensen its even a close call for who's the better mid laner and we all saw where jensen landed there. biased af list.
@@MikeyDLuffy Switching to teams is way way more difficult than having different team members.
Nah xmithie>blabber. Blabber is mechanically better and aggressive, but xmithie wins games which is what matter most. He even performed well internationally.
@@josephinfinity2553 it could be, although I'd argue going to TL where you get to handpick previous successful teamates/proven winners is probably a pretty comfortable transition
Good list but DL is clearly #1 if for no other reason than winning the title on multiple different teams. Who else has done that?
this is HILARIOUS after TL bombed out of worlds LMAO
DL is #1, bjerg played for longer and still doesnt have as many title, DL wins.
Dl has been in LCS much longer than Bjergsen. How is Bjergsen number 1? DL is originally from NA? Hello?
how is DL not #1 bruh 8x LCS Champion + MSI Finalist
Banger video. Just a quick suggestion, the volume mixing was way off. I could barely hear Jatt over the music in some parts.
I've always thought that DL would have been a better fit in EU, his personality, and with better competetion I think he would have had an even better resume. I'm not certain I would be able to say the same about Bjerg, Bjergs personality seems better for NA.
Honestly, some of the best NA players like DL, Bjerg, Blaber, Dardoch would all be better off in EU and would've probably made it far at worlds with an EU team simply because of the environment and passion compared to NA.
@@Shawn17WiFi What Environment does EU actually have? Only way those players have a chance at a healthy environment is G2. The rest of EU (FNC included) pumps and dumps rookies and players like they have an endless supply (Which they don't). Also, Blaber has had the best jungler worlds showing in NA & EU (Jankos excluded), there's nothing EU can actually give him internationally that C9 hasn't.
The passion sure, but I can't stand how people brush over how downright toxic EU teams treat players. There's a reason why EU has been terrible these past few seasons.
@@NotedEcho Nah bro, ive been watching league since s4. The passion and approach to pro play, especially intenationally is way superior in EU. They have a larger playerbase (3x larger), the game is much more popular in EU than in NA, so they take the game a lot more serious than NA, all the teams actually play to win and compete, unlike most of the NA teams just play to not be last place, and could care less about international play. EU teams focus on international which is why they have way more success than NA.
Im not even a fan of Jensen but not being No.3 feels disrespectful
I'm happy to see Impact, that guy is a rock! 1&2 are very interchangable imo really goes to personal preference, but I stick with the one on the video.
Doublelift 3-0 penta Bjerg at MSG.
HotshotGG being the idiot he is, gave DL to TSM to save Bjerg, else CLG would be dominating the entire way.
Now TSM rises to the top thanks to DL. Regi being the stupid boi he always is, kicked DL with the approval of Bjerg,to form 'bEsT in the wEsT' bot lane. Choked for 3 straight seasons no worlds playing around Bjerg.
On the other hand, DL turns TL into the new NA powerhouse replacing TSM. 4 straight championships, MSI Top 2, directly rekt Bjerg rverse swepping him with his shotcalling and leadership.
Then Bjerg begs DL to return cause he can't win or make worlds without him and DL gave him his last trophy immediately.
Now, Bjerg sees CoreJJ on TL (who explicitly said he joined TL specifically because of Doublelift), and wants to hop onto the bandwagon and TL foundation that DL built.
Now he flops again on a superteam and continue to not win without DL.
DOUBLELIFT HAS BJERGSEN AND LCS IN THE PALM OF HIS HANDS CONTROLLING EVERYTHING, easy GOAT.
@@youngbae5187 ok
Agreed
Damn did Sneaky a little dirty by not mentioning never missed a Worlds in his professional career. And is part of the only team to make it to Top 4 from the LCS, cause we are honestly not counting Season 1.
Season 1 should quite literally be irrelevant, and for the same reason S1 worlds is irrelevant too.
The whole time I was wondering who would get no.1 between double and bjerg haha
Great list other than DL is by far number 1, not including the fact hes actually FROM North America...
Ooof DL got robbed should of been first. I also think Meteos should of been in instead of blabber but that’s much more debatable
Doublelift should have been number 1, and I do not think it is even close.
Great video and loved the narration, but Doublelift should be above Bjerg and why is Corejj at 6 and Vulcan not on the list?
Doublelift should really be first... the international memes follow both those players but double had a finals at MSI... GOAT of NA midlane not GOAT of NA sorry bjerg needs another season or 2 of actually being a top 2 mid.. 3-6 doesn't cut it for a return year.
Having bjergsen first instead of doublelift is such a disrespect.
lol Bjerg as number 1 over Doublelift is crazy
feels like jensen still sitting lower then he should as usual
Making worlds 8 years in a row, finals in MSI, Semi finals in worlds, won 2 titles (hope its 3 soon), and 1 year he is first all time pro and bjergsen still got the mvp for 0 reason. But for the lcs its still not enough
I think it should swap jensen and xmithie, jensen is the forgotten mid cause everyone thinks bjerg is some hero but xmithie was mechanically shit compared to most pros, he was just smart on the map and facilitated which is what jensen does, but jensen is good with his hands and the man just doesn’t miss worlds
@@mathieujohnson9047 Still pisses me off to this day.
@@squidca2455 Xmithie has 6 championships. Jensen only has 2, and he had to join a superteam that had already won without him. Xmithie also won with Stixxay, beating Doublelift and Bjergsen in a finals
DL over Bjerg, otherwise I like it!
Drowned 6 times at worlds in groups, never made it out in his entire career.
Yupp that represents NA pretty well should be no.1 xD
@@Tomatoffel yeah not sure how much international competition was taken into account in voting. But yeah BIG flop at world's each year. Crazy how NOT clutch he was at world's.
Jensen is the real goat doublelift and bjergsen never performed at worlds
@@Tomatoffel Obsessed Bjergsen fanboy. Bjergsen has LESS international success than Doublelift by the way.
@@nostalgiacorner1999 obsessed again? favourite word i guess.
ok I count for bjerg you count for DL
1vs1 champion. first place. Shit on your boy doublelift.
IEM Winner. Beat korean and chinese teams.
Made it out of groups at worlds. Seems like an insane achievement. I mean its so insanely hard that DL could not do it once with 6 tries. Like thats not even statistically likely. NAs finest xD
Wasnt on the team that got shit on the fastest in a international bo5 ever.
I saw someone’s comment laughing at all the “DL fans crying”.
But you can’t argue that DL was the most dominant carry the LCS has seen. Even a double world champion couldn’t beat him!
I’m changing my flow and will root for EG. Impact is one of my all time favorite players. Man that Broxah Impact Jensen and DL team was something nasty. Damn shame they didn’t keep TL team with Jatt as the coach. Time woulda shown how good they all were.
Impact and Vulcan are enough for me to root for EG but add Danny and Jojo to the mix and you got a favorite
@@TheSergio1021 Facts. Inspired also really good, but it seems like Blaber always has his number. C9 still my favorite team mostly cus of Jensen, Blaber and now fudge.
Dont sugarcoat your bandwagoning by saying you're 'changing your flow'. Lol. Just say you're hopping on the EG bandwagon cause they beat TL.
DL is the best, it’s not close between he and Bjerg. DM won Bjerg his championships
Bjergsen was literally edging Doublelift in player of the game, player of the series and winning MVP while they were both in the same team. In 2020, DL was literally fucking inting and Bjergsen carried his dead body through the finish line. Saying that DL won Bjergsen his trophies is the funniest joke I ever heard.
@@pedrosansen Name one thing Bjergsen has accomplished since DL left. I'll wait.
@@MrCharly780 Name 1 split that DL had MVP or more player of the series than Bjergsen in their time together. There's none. DL was atrocious in 2020 and I'm not sure how Bjergsen still won LCS with DL's atrocious play in that year.
@@MrCharly780 Bjergsen have 3 titles without DL. And another one straight up turbo consensus carrying him, drawing 5 bans and winning every player of the series award. Along with 5 MVPs: 4 LCS MVP, 1 international MVP. Now name two DL's individual awards.
@@MrCharly780 Ah yeah, and Bjergsen also personally eliminated DL in the international 1v1 All Star tournament. Just a trivia.
Doublelift is #1
#1 Doublelift.
It's not even close. He was the face of LCS for the longest time. Voted to appear the most number of times in All-Stars events by fans and the only LCS player that foreign players feared back in the day. Known for his Vayne and signature trashtalk, he was a huge personality to watch and he wasn't afraid to speak his own mind. IMO, he was the biggest reason to watch LCS.
Doublelift is without a doubt, the greatest NA LCS player of all time.
im just gonna say that longevity != being good
CoreJJ above Sneaky makes little sense, Sneaky was a top three ADC for 13 straight splits, and top two or top one for many of them. CorrJJ is good, but since Bjerg is above DL and Jensen, clearly how they play internationally isn't taken into account. So why is Core in here when he only has 6 split where he was a top performer, less than half of what Sneaky did.
Literal goosebumps when the LCS theme started playing at #3
So hyped for playoffs and to see who the new kings of NA are!! #LCS10
"All Bjergsen does is WIN!"
Me huge Bjerg fan, crying after last series with EG and poor draft making him pick Galio :?
rip stixxay for not getting mentioned as one of aphro's adcs
It's sad that half of the list aren't even North Americans. Doublelift should be #1
no shot bjergsen is over doublelift... bjerg hasn't won anything after doublelift left his team, for doublelift to win LCS 4 times in a row. he then came back to bjerg's team, won them a split, left, and bjerg hasnt seen success since.
cmon... "all he does is win" bro hasnt won anything of note without doublelift for years man.
DL came back and be under-performance in 2020, the one who carried TSM to the title that year is Bjergsen
Tell me you're a casual without telling me you're a casual moments.
Bjerg won IEM way back in 2015. DL won MSI while facing G2. G2 beat the stronger teams while TL had the easier route.
I love em both but its obvious whos the real winner. Your argument is trash. Go back to bed, kid.
I love how our top spot couldn't go to Doublelift, our actual native NA talent. Still a good list and I don't think there's any real problems with it. Pretty much perfect.
As good as bjergsen is, doublelift is the best talent NA will ever produce, full stop. He deserves the number 1 spot. People forget that bjergsen is European and imported to NA.
Bjerg being EU is completely besides the point. Doublelift has accomplished more than Bjerg in his career and that's why he should be #1.
@@Shawn17WiFi it's not besides the point. The LCS is north American competition. It's actually extremely relevant to the point. It would be like if they made a top ten lec members of all time and threw reignover in. This video is supposed to be a celebration of what the country has to offer, now I'm not saying bjergssn hasn't earned his place here. He's been in Na longer than most homegrown pros. I'm saying it's weird as fuck to make a video celebrating your regions talent and include people from other regions in it.
There was no question who number 1 and 2 were. Good call.
Maybe a bit of recency bias but DL should be #1 and Bjerg should be #2.
Idk if it is recency tho
Imma big Bjergsen fan and dl kinda annoys me but i can see facts:
DL won more titles with more different teams
While bjergs last years werent as good, doublelifts first years in lcs were kinda bad (13/14), but dl actually won 6 splits he competed in a row (if you count out the break at 17 spring)
DL coming back next year to prove a point
When he said "the person next to bjergsen is doubled" well its doublelift
Nah, I love the list but we all know Doublelift is number 1. No player has ever done what he has done. Won CLG first title,got kicked out went to TSM and won a couple of title. Went to TL for a short time, and carried them out of relegation with an average team. When back to TSM and won some. Got kicked from TSM, went to TL and won a few more. Got kicked from TL because of average spring split performance. Came back to TSM and beat TL to win summer. He is the GOAT. Even as you can see now bjergsen with the highest paid team and the number 1 sup corejj. Still can’t even get to the finals?? It’s a close race between these two but I do believe DL should be 1. One reason that he is 2 is probably because he people who voted was past players, team owners etc . And possibly they voted out of hate cause DL wasn’t the most popular guy outside of the game among players and team owners. But this is about ingame skill not outside relationship.
I just read that Steve for DL at 4th???? Doublelift came to TL and won all that title for u, and u put his at 4? Darius put DL at 5th? It’s a popularity contest and some past grudge
This was made before this weekend
Impact should be number 1 , he has the dominance in top lane , the stats , the wins and he got out of group stage at worlds for NA
corejj over sneaky is disrespectful
doublelift def got robbed he is the GOAT idc what anyone says he just got unlucky at worlds with group draws and the 4-4 or 3-3
That 2019 team should have made it out. But that group was so hard. Damwon AND IG, are you kidding me? Lol
DL is aaaaaaaabsolutely #1
List was great until you said #2. Sad that pandering to more fans is valued higher than just rating them correctly. DL over Bjerg. DL won the most championships of anyone and did it accross 3 different teams. And honestly you can't convince me that Bjerg is even above Jensen. At least if he wins this championship and performs at worlds, it'd be laughable to ever say Bjerg > Jensen ever again.
DL got robbed, DL got 8 tiles, Bjerg got 6, and for some reasons Bjerg is the best LCS players of all times LOL. And Bjerg has won 0 titles after not playing with DL, I guess LCS really hates DL LOL
Downvoting because doublelift got robbed again
Doublelift >>>>>>> Bjergsen
Gotta agree with many others in comments. In terms of NA specifically, DL is unquestionably number 1. If you consider international performance, I would rate Bjerg higher. But in NA if you had to pick between Bjerg or DL winning you the championship, it was DL 9/10 times. Hence why TSM decided they needed both players.
Thats awesome youd rate bjerg higher internationally, please fill me in on why? Because DL went MSI finals, Bjerg got out of groups at Worlds once. ????
Bjergsen has literally 2 good international showings: IEM Katovice 2015 and Worlds 2014
Yes, DL shit the bed many times too at worlds, but atleast he got more titles
Lets be honest internationally both suck
@@tom400iq6ft MSI. That is a far cry from worlds. Also, you can look at the actual gameplay footage bro. Compare him to someone like Uzi. Uzi at worlds 2v3 getting camped and winning lane vs the best adc's in the world. Not some play-in's adc that made it to group stage. Premier NA, EU, LPL or LCK adc.
DL gets all the ganks, gets the winning matchup, gets all the roams from mid. He then... barely wins lane and does nothing with it. Can't carry despite all resources invested in him. If he doesn't get those resources invested? He gets crushed.
You can't say the same about Bjerg. He doesn't require everything and the kitchen sink handed to him to NOT lose lane then get outperformed post laning-phase.
Don't blindly argue back I'm wrong because I'm not. Go re-watch some footage.
@@julianarnold21 Didn't say either were good or great internationally. I said Bjerg was better.
You have to consider the resources in-game a team invests in each player too. The more you're given, the more you need to make good on that investment. With mid drafting and roaming bot to support DL getting advantages and jungle playing almost exclusively for bot lane, much must be expected of you. When no such investment is made to Bjerg, less is to be expected of him.
@@josephbirrenkott7993 this is not at all an accurate assessment of those games
Swap Aphro and CoreJJ, then it'l be correct. Just Saying.
DL ROBBED, 8 of 11 splits from 2015 onwards he won. Beat Bjerg within those 8 titles too and is a NA born talent. What a let down LCS.
5 of these players played for C9. I think Fudge could make it onto this list someday.
DL got robbed