Unfortunately A Bad Guy Won't Distinguish The Difference Between A BCM Or An M&P Sport II AR15 After Being Shot! After Watching IraqVeteran8888's Full Auto Meltdown Video On The M&P Sport II, Its Definantely A Worthy Self Defense/SHTF Rifle. Also, AZ Trigger And A Few Other's Here On RUclips Have Proven That The Sport II Shoot's Up To 75GR Ammo Well With Its 1/9 Twist. It All Comes Down To Someones Personal Preference And Budget. The Majority Of Budget Rifles Will Outlast/Out Live The Owners!
@@Tommy1marg Because there is no firearm you can say you can build for $1000 (or any price for that matter) when you don’t know how much ammunition you’ll need. It’s like saying that if you’re remodeling a kitchen, that you need to incorporate the price of food into it. Someone buying a new vehicle doesn’t include the cost of fuel into the purchase. Sure, for a first time gun owner, they need to understand that ammunition will need to be part of the investment. Accessories are too, although they can be added over time, if time isn’t a major factor. Ammo simply isn’t part of the cost of a build. A chest rig, night vision or body armor isn’t included in the price of a build. The rifle itself, and whatever accessories actually attach to the rifle are a part of the build. Ammo is like gas for a car, you don’t include it in the price of a car, as you expect to constantly have to replace gas or ammo. If you plan on shooting a lot, you couldn’t build any rifle for under $5k.
I really like your view of the 2nd amendment. The more I've learned about firearms (and other arms), our nation's history, and gun control advocates the more I've realized just how far off my views about the 2nd amendment were...and I'm still learning.
That's the glory of life my friend; there is always more to learn. On the 2nd though, it is unfortunate how it has-been skewed, yet here we all are. Learning bit by bit, learning to understand this world, potential dangers, and the science -- and art -- of dealing with those dangers.
Welcome, there’s tons of RUclips channels with great information IV8888 MrGunsandGear ColionNoir Travis Haley (Haley Strategic) Chris Costa (CostaLudas) GarandThumb Regular guy training (I think that’s the name)
hes like John Wicks amourer inside 😂. i like the stealth look myself. people think im straight hippie/preppie an probably never even scractched my fist. causes problems but so would me being me
Until your sword has a sheered gas key because the retarded company forgot to stake the bcg and the gas tube is misaligned causing your gun to be severely undergassed. (Yes I’ve seen this happen)
@@JonnyMatador in other words people who have no idea what they are doing. I have 14 mil and I can only play every other weekend. I make 400-600k per scav run and if you aren't making that much you're doing it wrong.
@@ps3lanigan customs scav runs make me 400k and I made just north of 600k on a reserve scav. Just 2 raiders made me that. My friend got the other one he killed. If I got a bit more loot from buildings around the helo and all the raiders I would have made over a mil that one run.
I went to high school with a local firearms instructor / gun range employee. He told me that they rent the M&P-15’s. Per him, they have put thousands and thousands of rounds through them and have had zero issues. He says it’s a no frills workhorse of a gun.
@@dirtycommtroopI worked in the armory for awhile, the only thing OG on a lot of our M4’s are the lowers and buffer tubes/stocks. Most springs, and definitely the whole BCG and every so often the barrels are changed. These are FN’s primarily and used to be Colt M16A2’s. We now run Aimpoint M68’s as of.. 2015?
I've had mine for 4 years now and have been so content with it that I moved on to other platforms. I should probably get at least one more higher quality AR and will sooner than later, but for now the M&P is doing everything I could possibly need it to.
I have thousands of rounds through my S&W M&P 15 Sport II. Numerous training classes, numerous tactical rifle competitions. Its never failed me and the only malfunctions that have occurred have been instructor or purposefully induced for training purposes.
At that price point I don't see how it could even be talked down on. Say your barrel is worn down after 10,000 or maybe even less rounds. Oh well shit happens with any gun of any level at any price point, even top of the line. So if the barrel is worn, save up buy a chrome lined barrel slap it on the M&P and start sending more lead down range. Problem solved and now you have got an upgraded barrel and still have a great rifle that will outlive you. I see nothing but positives with making this purchase.
Yes and no. S&W’s HQ is in Springfield, MA. I actually went to school with Seth Wesson as a kid. He’s about my age. They understand liberals being from the NE. What they did and how they marketed the M&P-15 was both smart and accurate. The M&P-15 really isn’t 100% milspec, doesn’t have a full auto sear or BCG. Also if you’re marketing it to sportsmen, that’s more palatable than marketing it to warmongers. That’s the trap you will fall into. My point is that words matter so you have to be careful in selecting them. An “M&P-15 Sport” (Sporter) is a term that conjures going to the range not conducting a war. Your “weapons of war” approach gives credence to the narrative that we as lawful gun owners are about war, not self defense and these lefty jackasses in the media are going to take advantage of the average American’s lack of acuity on your valid point about irregular militias being protected by the 2nd Amendment. Liberal Marxists want to stomp that point out by invalidating it. The same way they want to define who a journalist is, they want to control legal use of deadly force and who can use it by defining who exactly is a solider and can use it legally. Your approach will be used to facilitate this goal of theirs using the same tool they used so effectively last year, fear. Our right to defend ourselves, property and rights is encoded in the 2nd Amendment. The right to “make war” is less defensible and the average person isn’t going to support that narrative, so think about modifying it before it is too late please. That isn’t going to get traction. I hear you in that we should not be apologizing to the lefties and I don’t like them, what they are about and least of all what they are trying to do here... implement Marxism. An armed civilian populace is not encouraged in Marxist societies so you would be under their boot and under their hegemony. Bill Ruger understood this and kept the Mini-14 legal in most of the ban states in how it was designed and marketed as a civilian weapon, not a “weapon of war”. That’s called smart, not apologetic, We’d better fight a smart fight with brains and balls or we will lose. Marxists always want a monopoly on violence. Read the Manifesto and Rules for Radicals. Understand their game plan and you can get ahead of it.
@@cbwelch4 War and self defense are one in the same.. stop pretending they're not. Both entail you squeezing a trigger and sending hot lead into another person to stop them with lethal force. First you let them neuter your terminology, then they neuter your rifle and then they neuter your rights; how about we don't let them have any of it.
@@yurikalashnikov5815 That's because you are a sucker for marketing. Stop worrying about what things are labeled, whether good or bad--- and look at what it actually is.
I just love how much of this is purely REAL TALK. Not hodge podge exaggeration or anything of the sort. Just straightforward real talk and always considering other variables.
I bought an m&p15 because it's what I could afford, and I put lots of ammo through it, about 600 rounds so far if I had to estimate (I've had it for 2 months) and it does great definitely worth buying if you're on a budget and I did pretty much everything mentioned in the video, got a light on it, got mags and a chest rig, and obviously ammo
@@None-hq6ws not old enough to buy a lower and didn't want to go through the Hassel of convincing a parent to buy me one so just bought the complete rifle I could afford, I'm actually quite happy with it I've put money into some parts to enhance it.
I bought my PSA rifle for about $450, picked up a few mags, surefire light, swapped out the trigger, and picked up a used EOtech, and I’m about $1400 into it including all the ammo I’ve ran through it and have stocked up. Things been amazing and have ran about 500 rounds through it give or take.
Agreed 100% as protective gear is something you already have and can buy cheaply that is not that bad as you can use it for other stuff. I'm an avid hand project guy that does wood working and other stuff and have started using my electronic hearing pro that cost very little comparatively even during the pandemic for that upgrade for my other power tools and other lawn equipment and it works fantastic. As far as ammo I'd only include that in the initial build if you don't have any of that ammo type around however that is definitely an expendable that you don't include after the initial build.
@@dkinneydk1 You don't get the point of the video. Sure, you can stick extra mags in your back pocket, but it's not as secure and you are probably not going to be driving like that. The idea is the AR-15 as a defensive rifle, not a fudd plinker. There are accoutrements necessary to make an effective militiaman defending hearth and home from any tyranny (home invasion, natural disaster community security) and a rifle with any type of purpose built magazine holder on load bearing equipment is crucial if you need to have a rifle and keep it running when you need it.
You mention "I have no idea if this gun is all of a sudden gonna explode on me." I say that is quality build AND absolutely reliable. Iraqveteran8888 did a M&P 15 Sport ll fully automatic meltdown and lasted about a thousand rounds. That rifle will handle anything a weekend warrior will throw at it, especially in semi-auto which it's designed for. Great video by the way.
I have owned my M&P Sport 2 for several years now, and I've put several thousand rounds through it, and the only problem I've had is a stuck round that caused me to bend the charging handle. Other than that, it's been flawless. I couldn't ask for a better Rifle. Well worth the money.
Goldenwebb did a meltdown video yesterday with a knights armament SR15 and it only lasted a little over 500 rounds before the barrel exploded. I’m a BCM guy. For the money you can’t beat them. I’m impressed that the trigger pins didn’t fall out. The first time I took my DD Mark 18 out, one of the trigger pins worked its way out 2 magazines in
These RUclips operators tend to have an elitist attitude towards firearm brands. The differences between upper tier brands like BCM/Daniel Defense/Radian and entry tier brands like Aero Precision are negligible. They just like to use whatever justification they can to make themselves feel better about spending double or triple the price.
I have never seen or heard anyone who owns a Sport 2, say anything bad about them. I don't know how this became the most underrated rifle. The M&P's are great rifles.
"This is a weapon of war, we have been neutering ourselves" I've had this take forever. That is making the argument that 2A isn't for making war, which it is. Thank you for the spicy take.
FYI: If you put the SW MP15 Upper on a Military FN Lower with an AUTOMATIC Setting and fired a couple of Magpul 60 Round Drum Magazines THRU IT the Upper in Automatic FIRE the Upper would have a MELTDOWN about half way thru the Second Drum because that Barrel, Handguard and Gas Tube will NOT TAKE the HEAT! There are MAJOR Differences between a Military M4/M16 and a Civilian AR-15 YES there are SOME AR15 that are BUILD to M4/M16 Standards of AUTOMATIC Fire but those are VERY FEW and they are NOT all COLT weapons FNH makes a Closer weapon since they use the SAME Barrel in both Lines. Just because something Looks Alike Does NOT Mean it will Perform the Same way! Let me give you an Example do you think that an Invicta Automatic Watch that retails for 200 dollars and Looks like a Rolex Submariner is Going to Performed the Same way as a 12,000 dollar Rolex? They both tell time but the Rolex can go down 200-300 meter Underwater without issues the Invicta might be able to go 150-200 meter a few times before the Seals FAIL! You are Correct any Weapon can be used for WAR but some are Weapons are Designed to be better and Last Longer.
@@af22raptor23503 - Iraqveteran8888 proved you wrong a long time ago. He took an M&P15 Sport-2 and did the Meltdown torture test and it fired 820 rounds in full auto before it stopped. So your theory of an M&P Ar15 melting down with two 60 round drums in full auto is debunked. ruclips.net/video/Qe4GvVYNQbc/видео.html
I got my PSA rifle for $390 with a magpul flip up and a fixed sight post. 1000rds through it and it hasn't malfunctioned. Primary arms fixed 3x with a non battery dependent reticle, sling, and grip. this also lets me take the optic off and use the irons if it broke. I'm in it like $600. Can get an airsoft chest rig for like $35 which would be plenty sufficient for shooting drills, and 500rd, still easy under 1k.
@@corylocher1 Like a car--that's a nice way to think about it. You can only do so much with it when you drive it off the lot, but quite a bit more once you outfit it properly. The number of parallels that can be drawn between firearms and cars continues to impress me.
I never factor ammo costs into my builds... heck if that were the case the little Ruger LCP on my hip is a multi-thousand dollar gun because I have put a lot of rounds through that thing over the years.
@@DeVonMArtis you understand what your saying but think it’s bigger than that. These rifles are capable of full combat so we should treat and refer to them as that. There’s no such thing as sporting artillery. I think he’s right about that. If we refer to pedophiles as alternative lifestyles it makes it seem less bad than it truly is. The world in my opinion needs to start being more straight forward.
The finished rifle at around 27:30 was *exactly* what I put together with my first rifle before I even put any rounds downrange. Down to even the electrical tape on the tape switch. This was around a year ago back when it was really getting tense. God bless T.Rex Arms for being there when I was first getting into firearms and firearms training and the culture. I was very lost as to what to do when looking for a rifle. But their videos were there for me and my family when we were getting started in expressing our rights and defending our family and our people. Thank you guys for everything you all do, you've done more for people than you even know!
Call me poor, but i love the M&P 15. It was my first Ar, and in about 2 years ive put close to 2000 rounds through it with just a few malfunctions at the very beginning because i didnt lube the gun before shooting for the first time. After that its been absolutely perfect. Im probably going to buy another in a few weeks. Oh and of those 2000 rounds 1500 have been steel case
While agree for the most part, It seems like manufacturers have no choice nowadays, otherwise they'll get their ass's sued like Remington over Sandy Hook.
I think the important thing about these budget ARs and AKs is they get more guns in the hands of more Americans. At the same time it's very easy to fit a 1000-1500$ build into your regular budget, especially over a couple paychecks.
Built my first AR recently for about $500, then splurged and bought a red dot magnifier combo from sig for another 250. A few boxes of ammo later and I'm sitting pretty with a fun little gun for well under $1000.
Im still rocking my Ruger AR-556. Got brand new for $479(2016 price). Streamlight Protac HLX for $120 mounted on a Barska barrel mount for $50. Holosun Red Dot $150. B5 sopmod stock for $90 and BCM pistol grip for $20
Love him or hate him, you can't deny that Lucas puts out quality information and calls out the 2a community without holding any punches. For that he's got my respect. Facts>YT drama
I don't hate him but I think he's a douchebag. He says "id rather run irons than a cheap red dot", then later says "well if I had a red dot I would be quicker". He's the best larper in skinny jeans though - I'll give him that. He's just a run of of the mill nerd who happens to like firearms and that's absolutely fine by me.
I mean truthfully that was a pretty bs excuse for us losing our gun rights. We all know the less we have easy access to firearms, means more power to our governing bodies. They ain’t taking our rights because “gun names” are off.
2A Community? You mean "Americans"? Such a strange term... Show me someone who is not in the '2A community' and I will show you someone occupying American lands.
The m&p sport 2 was my 1st AR. I had over 5000 rounds threw it and only had maybe 5 malfunctions. Every malfunction was due to using cheap ammo! I definitely recommend this AR as a great starter rifle!
Yea have been definitely researching this rifle and so it seems that its gonna be my next purchase. I live in NY which is a really fucking stupid state for firearm laws. My brother in law has a basic entry model Colt AR15 and not a bad rifle at all but for the last 10 years ive been hearing a LOT of good things about S&W MP15s.
@@scrawnyclownsnatch9656 no issues? What is your round count through it so far? (Obviously not expecting anything crazy since ammo cost is insane right now) any sensitivity to ammo to your knowledge?
@@TacticoolVIKINGBeard Not nearly as many rounds thru it as I wanted. Only about 2000 rounds I think. No ammo problems, I've run multiple ammo types (Winchester, PMC etc...) both in 556 and 223 with no problems. The only upgrades I've done are a Magpul stock, added iron sites as mine didn't come with any and a B.A.D lever.
"Not a Review" Yet this is EXACTLY what a gun review should look, feel, sound like in my opinion. People can learn way more about a weapon platform through a video like this vs a normal RUclips gUn ReviEw
Lucas at it again, going infinite and beyond for entry level gun lovers out there nd more importantly spreading knowledge and experience. Hate him or love him, you can't ignore the fact that Lucas is really making a difference Ps thanks for the giving us your class 1 starter kit!! These MPs though gonna sell like toilet papers during the epidemic lol
There’s much to consider here. I bought my Sport II just before the’16 election for mid-$600s. It is the model with the fixed front and Magpul rear sights, so I had a complete, usable rifle right off the bat-though I painted over that M&P billboard right away.
That's what I did, I replaced the handguard and gas block and upgraded the furniture for around 200 total. I've got a cheap handheld light on it that still runs after getting beat up which surprises me lol.
I thought the sport line came up as their “budget” line where they used to have the standard mp15 and the mp15 “tactical” Where the sport used to come with a 1:9 twist no forward assist and a cheaper barrel. But that’s just my memory from 2016ish
Lucas is probably the king of antifuddism pointing out that the rifle was never intended for sporting purposes but for people to defend themselves from all threats to their life & liberty
$120 anderson lower $380 PSA upper w/irons $70 optic (Romeo 5 from ebay or a clone) $30 Amazon sling $25 Magpul knockoff foregrip from Amazon $60 5 pmags $90 120 rounds of 5.56 $10 pewpew lube It ain't much but it'll do
FWIW my Sport 2 has had 1 malfunction in 3k rounds, no parts breakage, nor significant wear, and mostly fed steel case ammo. Sample size of 1 but it's been solid for me. Added a red dot, sling, ambi controls, and a different grip over a few years. No issues with Pmags or USGI.
Same with mine, the only issue I’ve ever had is failure to feed because I didn’t clean the rifle after 2500 rounds and let it sit for probably 6 months. Outside of that it’s been great, runs well suppressed and I’ve shot out to 550 yards with it and been able to hit my target. Shot after shot. All I’ve done is different hand guard, swapped out the trigger springs and put and adjustable gas block.
Yep mine is my beater gun when I’m humping around the woods. Shoots garbage ammo like name brand and goes boom when asked. And I don’t cry if I drop it or it clangs against some rocks when climbing
@@ViktoriousDead so that automatically makes my story false? lol low pressure ammo, cleaning after every range, and not running it into the ground helps preserve the barrel. maybe learn to take care of your shit and it will last longer lol
20:22 The reloads are so smooth. He's obviously earned the "Sleight of Hand" perk (through countless hours of training and getting that muscle memory down).
get an ammo sponsor and a youtube channel and youll get that fast too.... easy to practice when that is your job. yes thats envy no it doesnt make it less true
I have and train with the M&P Sport II. At this time I have around 3000 rounds through it. Have never had a malfunction with it. I normally fire around 600 rounds through it each time I take it out. Great gun for the money. Very reliable.
@@three5581 Kinda sorta. Some guns cost a few hundred, some a few thousand, but you have to ask yourself if the extra cost is worth it as long as the cheaper version is perfectly functional.
Well I have found for a person new to the platform it's a reliable starter AR. You can upgrade as you like taking your time so you don't break the bank.
At the end of the day I'm always a fan of cheap rifles being available for the market. Palmetto for example I know I know "cheap crap" but at the end of the day they're putting functional firearms into the hands of as many Americans as possible.
@@jamietwigg5152 I've had two of them and no far no problems however I've seen that their quality control is subpar. I think if they got ahold of that their reputation would be a little higher. Additionally as it was stated in the video, in order to bring the costs down there has to be some things that are cheaper in quality than a more expensive option.
I grabbed a pistol upper from PSA but I can’t decide if I should send it back- the hand guard is slightly off center and the qd point has a spot next to it that looks like a big dent and looks crappy. I feel like I got a blemish item full price yay me.
A randomized ADS delay based on "sling" attachment would be awesome tho. Good slings rule - bad slings suck. Same for mag pouches - but games should be "fun" so fck it I guess...
So... The title is misleading. Yes you can get a AR-15 for less than 1000, you can even get a Iron sighted, slinged, lighted, 2 mags for less than 1000. The video keeps referring to a full kit and other shit. But yes, a baseline functioning AR can be bought for way less than a thousand. Noods, chest rids, bags and high-end optics are another story
@@5jjt just by shopping around you can find deals and sales for gear. My only gripe with this video is he keeps referring to kit and ammo plus a plethora of accessories.. he asks "can you get a rifle for $1,000, no...... Anyway here's an m&p sport for $680" like... There's one right in your hand dude, video over lmao. Now obviously you need sights and a mag to complete the rifle. That's it, he had the sling, a light and some other stuff which is all great and fine and dandy. That's not the point of the video, some people might not need a light because it's a range rifle, some people don't want to sling their rifle for whatever reason. It's all subjective to the mission you want. I have a complete $760 set up for the range and basic tomfoolery.. And I also have a $3200 set up with a pec-15, surefire can, Eotech hybrid systems and a bunch of other cool s*** that I want when I go LARPing in the woods. It's all just kinda subjective
Two years later of meddling in his personal armory filled with hundreds of weapons, NVGs, cables, ammunitions, batteries and accessories: "Ah! What is this?" **video flashbacks** "Omg, I see the truth now"
Besides being overgassed as most budget minded off the shelf ARs, the SW sporter will satisfy 99% of what a person would need an AR platform rifle to do. Battlefield Vegas absolutely destroys these thing in full auto and they still chug. Slap a holosun on it and a Streamlight and you have a solid fighting rifle that’s budget minded but not “cheap”
@@AjackLee4 so sad. Before Obama stepped on the 2nd amendment by banning imports the average citizen could buy a quality ak74 and 1000 rounds for $350. Think about that. Your average person could buy a quality tyrant killing rifle and ammo for a under $400.... It was basic but it could keep up.
@@AjackLee4 I know people who got Russian ak 74 rifles in the early 2000s when I was a young teenager and they paid under 400 for the rifle and ammo. I thought it was so expensive lol. Same guy got an SKS with a bayonet for $100 and I also thought it was expensive as I didn't know any better. I was like 13 Edit* my point is it's a shame how expensive things have gotten. ☹️
@@edwardlilley1705 I remember mosins being in the $100s, SKS in $200s, and AKMs $300-400, more expensive ones were stuff like the M70s with grenade sights and flip up night nights.
Good shit man, I would like to see a “budget breakdown” for current market optics, rifles, slings, lights. I feel like this channel is more honest than most YT channels
You could put together a ept PSA gun which i would gush about but i will just go with i haven't seen it fail yet. 450... sig MSR red dot optic 99$(they are ok probably could get nicer ones), inforce light $120, magpul sling uhhh like $45. add a couple magpuls9$, and a bank robber chest rig(holds 4 ar mags). i don't see how it isn't possible. meh you want to trick it out smack some irons sig m400 flip ups you can find for 105 if you look. and then a sig ambi mag bar 7bucks. and a trybe mbi safety 20. maybe a magpul foregrip. not the operator tier but a 5.56 round from it would feel the same.
@@Dark_Ages_Crusader False. PSA guys are the new Fudds. A fucking $400 shit stick with a Chinese dot and not even so much as a decent WML isn't "just as good," grandpa. You know why Glock guys aren't considered Fudds, despite the fact that they've been ubiquitous since the 80s? Cuz they actually work, all the time. You're not rolling the dice and praying that a low round count won't expose inherent issues.
I find it odd that he’s constantly ragging on foreign made products when the gun he trusts most with his life is from Austria, he sells aimpoints on his website, which are made in Sweden, and his car is Japanese.
Right! Not to mention they want to scream how it’s made over seas but yet 90% of the crap in the world is cause we consume too much and don’t have enough to build at home for the cost we will pay , and when they say. O this is American product. But they leave out the part about how the parts they use to assemble it is made over seas still. But put together here. So yeah 🤷♂️ IMO. If it’s good. It’s good it’s that simple
The M&P 15 sport 2 is my base rifle. I have roughly 9800 rounds through it and it does work great. I upgraded the buffer and spring because mine failed at like 3k rounds. It’s a fantastic base to build from for such a cheap price. Solid video
@@squidy4082 definitely a good question. I’m sure the barrel isn’t giving me the best performance anymore but right now I haven’t been shooting due to the lack of available ammo. I would love to upgrade it to a rosco or even a criterion barrel.
He could have run a red dot for an extra $10 bucks, but chose iron sights? He also pimped his own company’s sling @ $55, when he could have bought a comparable $30 sling.
I bought a M&P Sport II about 10 years ago, I have more rounds through that rifle than any other, I have replaced the gas rings once and after many cases of Wolf steel and M193, I can say it's just an average AR, more than adequate in my estimate. I replaced the gas rings once and that's it. I put a Surefire G2L with a GG&G 1" mount on it because I was obviously trying to be thrifty, a Griffin Armament M4SD flash/comp (best flash comp IMO) and a Geissele SSA trigger. Its a decent set up. I have no reason to dislike it. I have "better" stuff now but I would still recommend an M&P Sport to anybody who was looking for a defensive carbine on a budget. It will send a bullet when you need to send one, and it will send a bullet when you don't need to send one. What more can you ask of a carbine....
@@InflammatoryCommentMaker Yeah. I did. Do you have any experience with Geissele triggers or AR15's in general? I'd be interested to know which AR's in particular you would submit would not benefit from a trigger upgrade. The Geissele is a great improvement over a stock mil spec trigger.
@@dustysavoy6951 I put a two state Geissele sdc on my knights armament sr15 and my aero+bcm Mk12 clone. I wouldn’t put a geissele trigger on a rifle that cost less than $1500. And I wasn’t trying to be rude, my original comment was meant in a joking manner.
@@InflammatoryCommentMaker "I wouldn't put a Geisssele on an AR that costs less than $1500" You realize that's kind of silly and makes no sense, right. Also, while you may be joking, you come off as a snob. Like pulling up in a Lexus and scoffing at somebody for putting Hakkapalitas on their Honda, you realize even some of the best shooters among us wouldn't be able to distinguish one make of upper/lower recievers from another if they contain quality components and are tuned and built correctly? It's not the arrow, it's the indian. Do you think having spent $2K-$3K on a rifle puts you ahead of me in terms of skill/experience, or a gunfight or on the range? I have an Aimpoint on a PSA build too, I'm guessing you would "shudder" and scoff at that too..... I don't play the keeping up with the jones' game, I spend money on ammo and quality components and try to be good enough to take advantage of the relatively small performance gains. I have higher end equipment since cutting my teeth on the M&P, but I don't need to flex my "superior" gear to make the point, on the range and in a gunfight, experience and skill are the most important factors, along with having reliable, quality equipment, which I have.
@@dustysavoy6951 well you just took a passing remark phrased lightly and proved that you’re an old fudd who can’t take a joke. Awesome dude, definitely gonna read your essay on why “the youngin’s don’t do it like it should be done”
Lucas and Team, this is one awesome video. I've been following T.rex Arms for years; they're products are top notch, podcasts informative, and their mission vital to the health and growth of a healthy America. While I'm much farther along in my 2A journey as far as the context of this video being gear, I would have loved this video for the guidance and valuable criticism for starting what is a very daunting journey to a beginner. Thank you all for your hard work. Me and many others appreciate what you do.
I have an M&P sport 2 that's built out a little bit (new trigger, cheap-ish red dot, flashlight) i have about 2,000 rounds through it and haven't had any issues at all. In the fair amount of use I've put it through its held up nice.
Hearing protection isn't part of the rifle either, but have fun shooting without that I guess. No one said you absolutely need a chest rig but it sure would be helpful for the purposes Lucas is trying to cater towards.
If worked at a gun store / range for almost 3 years now, I’ve always used t.rex arms as a reference to my customers. I wear the AC1 every day (shit you see at public ranges) along with holsters, mag carriers, shot timer, and videos as training aids for myself as well as customers. Once again, your video highlights something I’ve always told people, but get shrugged off because I’m only 25, and self taught. Thanks for being a leader in an industry led by political followers 🤙🏻
Aye what gun shop? I worked at cabelas. Its kinda hands off but I'm the only one who is into guns in my family. I grew up in the suburbs and could only ever go to indoor pistol ranges when I got old enough. I have experience in paintball as far as tactics go but getting to train with live fire outdoors just isn't possible for me yet. I feel like I could hold my own given the chance just because of being self taught and practicing dry fire but I really wanna try it. Range day?
It’s a small gun shop in central Florida, Frogbones Family Shooting Center. It’s a little mom and pop shop, but he have a full indoor rifle/pistol range, a fully stocked store and a sister company bar and grille attached to the same building. Being the store that we are, I love that I can do two things there; tell people when their wrong and let people hold guns, play with them, test them out (we have a full rental fleet of pistols, rifles and shotguns) and most importantly, dry fire it in store to let them feel triggers and such. I know at big box stores they hardly let you even touch it unless you’re buying it. I’ve played Airsoft for 15 years and that all translated directly into my job as far as tactics go, luckily enough my boss is impressed enough with my shooting to let me inboard into the training group to be an instructor. I have to do the song and dance and get NRA certs but it’s a necessary evil to do what I love. I’m no Lucas, but I like to think that my training is paying off
So you give people defensive shooting advice that you heard from somone who has never been in a single gunfight in there entire life? Sounds about right….
@@jasonredman4627 My Cabela's store ain't much better. One of my customers called us the "World of Opinions" and I had to laugh cause some of the old guys working there part part in retirement are exactly that way.
M&P sport 1 was my first rifle. Still have it. Put about 5500-6000 rounds through before I rebuilt it at a SOLGW AR15 armorers course. It's a 1moa gun with 62gr Federal Fusion and has proven itself reliable(when lubed) through 4 days of rifle classes and many trips to an outdoor range where it was run very hard.
Romeo5 is a great budget optic they are very durable and accurate for the price. If someone buys this for SHTF odds are they are going to leave it mounted and not play musical optics so returning to zero issue is a dumb Issue in my opinion. But I enjoyed the video keep up good work 👍🏻
Same I didn’t even know that “returning to zero” was something to be concerned about with budget optics or what that even meant. Like I see the Romeo didn’t return to zero after removing it so why not just re zero it or have three M&Ps to test the optics on so “return to zero” isn’t even a variable
The problem is, a decent impact should shift the zero too. It has a weak mounting point and no recoil lug. Return to zero plays into "maintaining" zero.
@@TREXARMS ahhh okay I see. So what you were pointing out was the Romeo 5 not having that little notch or “recoil lug” in the middle of the base of the housing? Or the mounts that come with cheap aimpoint micro type optics are just not a viable option if you do choose to run a budget micro red dot?
Well that’s why I say durable and accurate for the price. But I have 2 of these and have beat the crap out of them one stays under back seat of my truck I farm and shoot hogs regularly and have never had one off accuracy wise. Your video as far as the romeo5 wasn’t about impact it was simply taking it on and off. Not bashing what your saying at all cause I know you know what your doing but in my experience with this optic for the price it’s great. Also I love your channel and appreciate you commenting back
A different mount solves the problem also. I personally don't run red dots without a QD mount. The ADM QD gives you lower 1/3rd and QD for sub $100 and is money well spent IMO.
If you account for only the firearm w/out accessories, I can tell you that if you pick your parts at the right time (think flash sales), you can put an AR15 together for under $600. In 2016, I did a PSA/Anderson for $298.
I bought the sport 1 and a year later the sport 2 came out with dust cover and forward assist. It pissed me off so I swapped out the upper for an aero upper and a new rail. Couldn’t be happier with it and the experience of doing the swap inspired me to do more builds.
Yeah i was gifted a dpms oracle as my first ar years ago and to me it was just a cheaper feeling version of something like an m&p but i swapped to an aero upper, new trigger, and everything. Had a good few malfunctions on the dpms upper but since swapping internals and uppers ive only had 1 light primer strike in 1,500+ rounds on the upper, a lot of the time in dust, dirt, and rain. Aero is solid.
I don’t plan on taking my optics on and off my guns very often unless there’s some reason why I have to. I wouldn’t expect it to be right back on zero if I took it off the gun. Even if I had a scalarworks mount I’d still zero the optic/scope again to make sure. Idk that’s just me.
Military Combat Arms instructors will always have you re-zero your $900 Aimpoint on top of your $2000 Colt M4 before scoring your shots. "Return to zero" mounts are really "return to close enough".
I watch a lot, really a lot of video's about firearms, subscribe to many pro gun channels, but most of the useful and practical information is usually found on t.rex arms. Great job, keep it up gentlemen.
I see plenty of ar’s at the ranges I frequent that are under $1,000 and ring steel at 400 yards all day long. This older gentleman built his back in 2015 for $400, has a scope on it and nails playing cards at 600 yards. I don’t know the cost of the scope but I doubt it’s over $600. If you need $1500-$3000 for an ar to be accurate and effective at 500 yards you need to become better with an ar.
The issue is he clearly states you can't build a "rifle" for under a thousand. Yet he unboxes a brand new $650 rifle. Or you can buy a build kit for the same price just better quality and assemble it yourself. You can build a hundred different rifle variations for $1,000 or less but when you're talking about all the attachments and thousand rounds of ammo and all of that that is not what you stated in the beginning of the video.
Not trying to turn my nose up.... But I had a sub $1000 build for my first rifle. 5-6k rounds through it. After two years dropped $4000 full build. The differnce is night and day. I am not the best shooter out there but can gaurntee that the build/price level matters.
It is rewarding to build your own but if u can get complete upper built is usually cheaper. I realy like bk firearms and spend my money on a good trigger and bolt carreir.
Aero receivers and buffer kit, handguard of your choice, ballistic advantage barrel, cmmg parts kit, Magpul k2 or k2+ grip, B5 bravo stock, optic, sling and flashlight. 👍👍
@@chavezhead wow did you go into my carts and pick my exact build? Literally almost exactly what I was gonna get except just a bcm barrel. but now I'm thinking I might just get a built BCM upper so I don't have to deal with tooling to get the barrel in
I have a Sport II and I've put a few thousand rounds through it. Hasn't had any failures. Sure, it's not the highest speed tacticool "weapon of war" that exists. However it's a great choice for a budget rifle, especially if you can get it under $600. I slapped a two point sling on it with an Eotech 512 and a Magpul stock. It gets what I need done, and after I get my partner a rifle I will upgrade to a BCM upper and get some nicer accessories.
Genuine question, how often are you removing an optic from a rifle and not throwing it on another rifle? I don't understand the practical application of having an optic return to zero. I have a few rifles with very different roles, and different optics tailored to those roles. I feel like the only people that would benefit are guys with tons of rifles and tons of optics.
Literally just had an experience that made this entire comment ridiculous. Long story short, it makes re-zeroing an optic or red dot on a new rifle way quicker then starting from scratch. The added benefit from all this is a mount that maintains zero when moved is going to better maintain zero when bumped around.
It's a quality standard. The point he made was the more expensive optic returned to zero, because of the quality its manufactured thus making it cost more. It fits much tighter on the gun and won't move around. Even when removed and put on another gun. Your more expensive optic mounts and or just optics come with a return to zero guarantee.
@@xPRODIGYxGAMER The fact that you compared a 100 dollar optic to something like an aimpoint shows that youre out of your depth. Trust me, if they were "Just as good", our military would be all over it. They give money to the lowest bidder, so why do you think the optics they buy are "Expensive" compared to the rest? Because optics like acogs and aimpoints are so many magnitudes better than the vortex or sig optics that militaries all over the world understand that the increase in quality is worth the 4-5 time markup. Return to zero is a quality control component, not something you'd ever really use. If an optic and mount can be knocked around, taken off, replaced, and shoot true to zero, it's well build. Your sample size of one optic isn't a true test, plenty of hi points out there that never jammed, does that make them good?
@@mynameisjeff6988 I'm sorry but the return to zero quality of a sight is due to the mounting method and hardware and not some "build quality" issue. I am yet another person who owns a Romeo5 and I can also confirm that you can knock them around and they maintain zero quite well. The reason they don't "return to zero" when you remove them and put them on another gun or the same gun later on is because the mounting solution doesn't allow for repeatable positioning on the gun. Which, is really only a problem if you remove it and put it back on. If you aren't going to do that, then they stay in zero fine. In fact, I've seen people test the zero on the Romeo by throwing it off a building and it remained at a perfect zero. Also, the reason the Sig isn't even considered for duty in the military is probably the same reason it's not respected by peoppe like yourself, that's because it's made in China... Let's be real here folks.
I bought this exact AR a few months ago at PSA for around $600. I've since changed the stock to an MOE stock, the grip to an MOE grip, the handguard to a quad rail, added a magpul RVG, and put a vortex UH-1 with a flip up 3x magnifier behind it. love this rifle. im about 700 rounds in and haven't had any issues with it, not a single jam.
@@DragonBallStrike I run a vortex red dot, but man I fell in love with the Huey after using it in R6 Siege. Do you run the micro magnifier or the older version?
I’d honestly never expect an optic to hold zero once it has come off the gun. There’s just too many variables that have nothing to do with the optics construction.
There are just so many sales during the holidays to build something, complete components, individual/from scratch builds... I got a Plametto State AR15 complete lower for $120 and a complete Bear Creek BC15 300 Blackout upper for $260. Including taxes, shipping and FFL processing costs I spent a grand total of about $500. Then a 3x magnifier/red dot combo that was already 25% off, with a coupon code for an extra 25% off and bam, optics for $180. I'm very pleased with the holiday sales this year
I bought a M&P 15 a couple years ago as a base to start my build and I've put that thing through hell and I have never once had any issues with it. Shooting comps, Weekly drills, Thousands of rounds. Summer hot and winter cold, It's never failed me once. You just got to keep in oiled clean and maintained like any other AR platform and you have yourself a very stable platform! I have some drills on my channel.
You lost me a minute in when you started including ammo in the cost. Yes, you can build a very decent rifle on a stripped lower for $1000 especially if you have the luxury to wait for sales. The title of this video should be, can you build a rifle + kit + ammo supply for under $1,000 and right now of course the answer is going to be no.
I built a geissle super duty a few years ago on black Friday I ordered a upper they were really late getting them out and sent us 2 35 percent off coupons and 1 20 percent I ended up building the whole rifle for about $1,200 probably never happen again but it pays to be patient.
@@benthephilosopher considering it doesn't come with sights I would argue the Springfield Saint Victor or Troy are the best bang for buck options around 900. The Zion might* tie with aero for rifles without sights but IWI does not publish good specs on this rifle so there are a bunch of unknowns.
My first AR platform was an M&P Sport II. I've only put about 1500 rounds through it in the 6 months I've had it. I threw an Aimpoint PRO on it, a 15" MLOK handguard (small brand, not sure if it will hold zero with an IR device), redid the gas system, Streamlight railmount with a pressure switch, Blueforce gear sling, FAB Defense GL-Core stock (kind of wish I went with a Magpul CTR lol), M&P sling swivel in the rear, and a couple of other minor changes. Internals and trigger are all stock. I'll say that the only malfunctions I've had in that time were related to very used Gen-2 Magpul PMAGs I got from a friend. The malfunctions cease entirely when I use brand new PMAGs. The rifle is definitely not a terrible starting point for new AR platform folks, but you may get some buyer's remorse once you start getting more educated on the platform and other options out there. The money I've put into "upgrades" could definitely have been spent on a BCM upper and Aero Precision lower to start with; but I wouldn't have gotten the experience of tinkering along the way. There's something about buying a lower tier gun that makes me go out and research the crap out of the platform. One of the two jobs I work require me to be armed while on duty, and this gun is always either at my knees or on my body. I confirm zero with both my optic and irons at least once a month, and practice dry reload and fire drills daily with it just to keep proficiency; the same goes for my Glock 19. For what you pay for an M&P Sport/Sport II, I'd say it's fine so long as you're keeping up with the maintenance and training. If $1000 is your budget for a carbine, there's definitely worse options. Build out accessories over time, and train with your savings. I've spent way more on supporting gear than on the gun itself. I bought the gun when I did because I wanted to start getting time behind the platform ASAP before I went into the field I'm going into now. Still way better with my Glock though lol.
If you had the time, would love to see a follow up with the M&P Sport II after 2,000+ rounds. I think your words offer a lot as you seem very straight forward. I'm sure there are plenty of subscribers that own or would purchase that rifle, and an honest review after a few thousand rounds would be sweet.
Because outside of this video, Captain McTightpants wouldn't be caught dead with a non Gucci rifle. In the teenage gun culture 2.0 world: massive $$$ = QuAlItY. Even if an M&P Sport II is a legit viable alternative. It'd be great if he would grow up a bit, but he's living high on the hog on his family's virtues. Look at Saint Kyle. That kid got it done with an M&P Sport. Probably didn't have a ton of training, really. Yup. He had a failure (I've had failures with FN and Colt in the heat of the moment), but he applied immediate action and pressed. Point? Heart and a decent amount of good training means much more than spending $$$ ever will. But, this is a concept that Captain McTightpants NEVER says (or will say), yet Mike Jones (GarandThumb) always pushes (nowadays, anyways).
@@MrBeachDoctor this guys a shill. He is so out of touch with the average person to where he thinks that the only option is to break the bank. He thinks 150$ for a pair of ironsights is necessary...
I love how you and your crew there at T-Rex arms Care more about getting good product quickly to the consumer more than you care about getting your name out there! America needs more companies like yours! 👍🙂
I actually have a m&p15 sport 2 and I love it, so far I’ve only done a carry handle and a quad rail but I plan to add more to the rifle but so far it works great and I love it. I’m happy to see a video of a build with that firearm and when I say it works great I mean so far and I’ve Barely had it and I do look forward to upgrading it to make it better then a entry rifle
I bought one three or four years ago and right now you wouldn't even recognize it as an M&P sport 2. I swapped out everything on the gun overtime other than the upper and lower receiver and barrel. Literally everything. And that's not because it was a bad gun out of the box because it wasn't it was actually a great rifle I just wanted a different look and feel
Most of the ARs here in MA are m&p sport 2's it was the most common AR in local stores up until July 2016, then all options other than what's already in state became unavailable. Granted, you can still get any upper still, just the lower is going to be what's available in state or 80 percent and that's an uncontested legal matter still.
Check out Iraq veteran 8888 he does a melt down on the m&p 15 I think it holds up as good or better than more expensive guns I think it run a little over 800 rounds on full auto
@@TheLAWanderer Honestly, there's not a whole lot to upgrade besides the extractor and spring. What else can you think of that isn't just for a brand's name sake?
@@5jjt with BCA? might want to check the sheer amount of QC fuggups and bolt failures. My personal experience I bought a complete 223 wylde billet upper from them, and they shipped it with the bolt out of spec. I wrote an email asking for a replacement, and they didnt bother sending a label. I had to pay shipping for their mistake. Nice one BCA.
One of the many reason I love BCM, “We are not a sporting arms company. We engineer and build life saving equipment and tools.”
Don't they support BLM or something?
@@Vahkii is that a bad thing?
Unfortunately A Bad Guy Won't Distinguish The Difference Between A BCM Or An M&P Sport II AR15 After Being Shot! After Watching IraqVeteran8888's Full Auto Meltdown Video On The M&P Sport II, Its Definantely A Worthy Self Defense/SHTF Rifle. Also, AZ Trigger And A Few Other's Here On RUclips Have Proven That The Sport II Shoot's Up To 75GR Ammo Well With Its 1/9 Twist. It All Comes Down To Someones Personal Preference And Budget. The Majority Of Budget Rifles Will Outlast/Out Live The Owners!
@@deedub1468 yes it absolutely is.
@@deedub1468 - I would say so, yes..
"you cant shoot what you cant see"
That's not true. I tested this, the bullet still entered my abdomen even with the lights off.
Ha ha hahaha...
You CAN shoot what you can't see, concealment isn't cover.
@@AbsoluteArch i know one thing your sight cant see exactly what your barrel can which would be anything consisting of matter.
Ouch
LAPD has also debunked this.
once you have the rifle in a shootable configuration, the ammo and spare mags are a sustainment cost more than a "build" cost
highly disagree. Why having "shootable" rifle if you can afford ammo?
@@Tommy1marg because ammo isnt a rifle cost
@@gansior4744 yeah, thats why it's ok to drop 4k on a rifle, put it in the corner of your room and eat noodles for the next couple months... stupid.
@@Tommy1marg Because there is no firearm you can say you can build for $1000 (or any price for that matter) when you don’t know how much ammunition you’ll need.
It’s like saying that if you’re remodeling a kitchen, that you need to incorporate the price of food into it.
Someone buying a new vehicle doesn’t include the cost of fuel into the purchase.
Sure, for a first time gun owner, they need to understand that ammunition will need to be part of the investment. Accessories are too, although they can be added over time, if time isn’t a major factor.
Ammo simply isn’t part of the cost of a build. A chest rig, night vision or body armor isn’t included in the price of a build. The rifle itself, and whatever accessories actually attach to the rifle are a part of the build. Ammo is like gas for a car, you don’t include it in the price of a car, as you expect to constantly have to replace gas or ammo. If you plan on shooting a lot, you couldn’t build any rifle for under $5k.
@@christophermitchell7925 dude i'm not reading this
I really like your view of the 2nd amendment. The more I've learned about firearms (and other arms), our nation's history, and gun control advocates the more I've realized just how far off my views about the 2nd amendment were...and I'm still learning.
That's the glory of life my friend; there is always more to learn.
On the 2nd though, it is unfortunate how it has-been skewed, yet here we all are. Learning bit by bit, learning to understand this world, potential dangers, and the science -- and art -- of dealing with those dangers.
Welcome, there’s tons of RUclips channels with great information
IV8888
MrGunsandGear
ColionNoir
Travis Haley (Haley Strategic)
Chris Costa (CostaLudas)
GarandThumb
Regular guy training (I think that’s the name)
That’s the exactly right attitude to have Stephen. Welcome to the community of 2A defenders.
This young man just demonstrated why our government is so intent on trying to take our ARs away. We can fight back.
If you think that the 2nd Amendment has anything to do with hunting, well then you might be part of the problem
Indoors with cool lighting and a cool looking room, he looked like the cool gun guy. Outdoors he looked like McLovin
McLovin lol
Put some respect on John WickLovin
hes like John Wicks amourer inside 😂.
i like the stealth look myself. people think im straight hippie/preppie an probably never even scractched my fist. causes problems but so would me being me
MCLOVVINNN
FACTS
I'm a firm believer in "A good swordsman is more important than a good sword." philosophy.
Glad to see videos like this.
obviously is the case too, He's running that cheapo gun like nobody's business lol.
Seems like there's alot less that can go wrong with a sword though
Until your sword has a sheered gas key because the retarded company forgot to stake the bcg and the gas tube is misaligned causing your gun to be severely undergassed. (Yes I’ve seen this happen)
@@CertifiedBullpupHater what make? Was the bcg the same make as the rifle?
The man who said it obviously never fought with a rusted sword.
"Your not gonna go in with a duct tape, chest rig, One mag and a handful of ammo."
Tarkov scavs : :0
pmc's with 1k roubles left in stash :0
@@JonnyMatador in other words people who have no idea what they are doing. I have 14 mil and I can only play every other weekend. I make 400-600k per scav run and if you aren't making that much you're doing it wrong.
@@backseatswitchyy what do u do to make that much in one run?
@@ps3lanigan customs scav runs make me 400k and I made just north of 600k on a reserve scav. Just 2 raiders made me that. My friend got the other one he killed. If I got a bit more loot from buildings around the helo and all the raiders I would have made over a mil that one run.
@@backseatswitchyy didnt even answer the question....
I went to high school with a local firearms instructor / gun range employee. He told me that they rent the M&P-15’s. Per him, they have put thousands and thousands of rounds through them and have had zero issues. He says it’s a no frills workhorse of a gun.
same, sporters in eastern europe are workhorses in some gunranges, if you dont shoot russian/chinese rounds
People forget the military has been using mass produced mil-spec colts for decades.
@@dirtycommtroopI worked in the armory for awhile, the only thing OG on a lot of our M4’s are the lowers and buffer tubes/stocks. Most springs, and definitely the whole BCG and every so often the barrels are changed. These are FN’s primarily and used to be Colt M16A2’s.
We now run Aimpoint M68’s as of.. 2015?
I've had mine for 4 years now and have been so content with it that I moved on to other platforms. I should probably get at least one more higher quality AR and will sooner than later, but for now the M&P is doing everything I could possibly need it to.
I have thousands of rounds through my S&W M&P 15 Sport II. Numerous training classes, numerous tactical rifle competitions. Its never failed me and the only malfunctions that have occurred have been instructor or purposefully induced for training purposes.
I bet.
Preach!
Assuring to hear. I’ve put a couple thousand through mine and felt weary after hearing Lucas’ opinion on it.
Exactly. I don't wtf this dude is on about. "Might blow up at 2k". His damn ego might blow it's so fucking big.
At that price point I don't see how it could even be talked down on. Say your barrel is worn down after 10,000 or maybe even less rounds. Oh well shit happens with any gun of any level at any price point, even top of the line. So if the barrel is worn, save up buy a chrome lined barrel slap it on the M&P and start sending more lead down range. Problem solved and now you have got an upgraded barrel and still have a great rifle that will outlive you. I see nothing but positives with making this purchase.
By pointing out that SPORT is a neutered term you just became my favorite YouRube personality. Keep up the good work.
As attractive as those rifles are for the money, it always threw me off because it had the word “sport “in the product title.
Yes and no. S&W’s HQ is in Springfield, MA. I actually went to school with Seth Wesson as a kid. He’s about my age. They understand liberals being from the NE. What they did and how they marketed the M&P-15 was both smart and accurate. The M&P-15 really isn’t 100% milspec, doesn’t have a full auto sear or BCG. Also if you’re marketing it to sportsmen, that’s more palatable than marketing it to warmongers. That’s the trap you will fall into. My point is that words matter so you have to be careful in selecting them. An “M&P-15 Sport” (Sporter) is a term that conjures going to the range not conducting a war. Your “weapons of war” approach gives credence to the narrative that we as lawful gun owners are about war, not self defense and these lefty jackasses in the media are going to take advantage of the average American’s lack of acuity on your valid point about irregular militias being protected by the 2nd Amendment. Liberal Marxists want to stomp that point out by invalidating it. The same way they want to define who a journalist is, they want to control legal use of deadly force and who can use it by defining who exactly is a solider and can use it legally. Your approach will be used to facilitate this goal of theirs using the same tool they used so effectively last year, fear. Our right to defend ourselves, property and rights is encoded in the 2nd Amendment. The right to “make war” is less defensible and the average person isn’t going to support that narrative, so think about modifying it before it is too late please. That isn’t going to get traction. I hear you in that we should not be apologizing to the lefties and I don’t like them, what they are about and least of all what they are trying to do here... implement Marxism.
An armed civilian populace is not encouraged in Marxist societies so you would be under their boot and under their hegemony.
Bill Ruger understood this and kept the Mini-14 legal in most of the ban states in how it was designed and marketed as a civilian weapon, not a “weapon of war”. That’s called smart, not apologetic,
We’d better fight a smart fight with brains and balls or we will lose. Marxists always want a monopoly on violence. Read the Manifesto and Rules for Radicals. Understand their game plan and you can get ahead of it.
@@cbwelch4 War and self defense are one in the same.. stop pretending they're not. Both entail you squeezing a trigger and sending hot lead into another person to stop them with lethal force. First you let them neuter your terminology, then they neuter your rifle and then they neuter your rights; how about we don't let them have any of it.
@@yurikalashnikov5815 That's because you are a sucker for marketing. Stop worrying about what things are labeled, whether good or bad--- and look at what it actually is.
"YouRube" --- lol.. I'll have to steal that one.
I just love how much of this is purely REAL TALK. Not hodge podge exaggeration or anything of the sort. Just straightforward real talk and always considering other variables.
I bought an m&p15 because it's what I could afford, and I put lots of ammo through it, about 600 rounds so far if I had to estimate (I've had it for 2 months) and it does great definitely worth buying if you're on a budget and I did pretty much everything mentioned in the video, got a light on it, got mags and a chest rig, and obviously ammo
I have one from years ago and have put almost four thousand rounds through it over the years. Still in the safe. Was reliable and a good beater gun.
@@None-hq6ws not old enough to buy a lower and didn't want to go through the Hassel of convincing a parent to buy me one so just bought the complete rifle I could afford, I'm actually quite happy with it I've put money into some parts to enhance it.
I bought my PSA rifle for about $450, picked up a few mags, surefire light, swapped out the trigger, and picked up a used EOtech, and I’m about $1400 into it including all the ammo I’ve ran through it and have stocked up. Things been amazing and have ran about 500 rounds through it give or take.
@@Baitsss which trigger did you put in it?
@@boejiden1065 Currently running a Geissele super semi-auto 2 stage trigger, picked it up for a whooping $180 with a discount
Nice to see Lucas wearing short sleeves. Letting those pythons have some fresh air.
Garden snakes
BEEFCAKE!!!
Ayee the men who made the sba3 1000% better. Just reminded me I need to grab an ODG splitfix to change out my MC
Earthworm jim
Mid August Tennessee heat is a bitch ! It’s been constantly in the mid to upper 90s for nearly 3 weeks. Plus humidity
“Unless your willing to run a chest rig made out of duct tape a single magazine and a handful of bullets”
Mans calling out my tarkov load out
take the stock and muzzle off and breach load it for my loadout
You’re*
I have a few AR's, I don't include eye glasses , hearing or ammo in the cost of a build. You should already have that. Granted Covid prices now suck.
Yeah quite a bit of fluff in this video.
You don’t need a chest rig. I only use mine for hunting and pest control. Plus 20 round box of green tip at academy is $13.
Agreed 100% as protective gear is something you already have and can buy cheaply that is not that bad as you can use it for other stuff. I'm an avid hand project guy that does wood working and other stuff and have started using my electronic hearing pro that cost very little comparatively even during the pandemic for that upgrade for my other power tools and other lawn equipment and it works fantastic. As far as ammo I'd only include that in the initial build if you don't have any of that ammo type around however that is definitely an expendable that you don't include after the initial build.
@@dkinneydk1
You don't get the point of the video.
Sure, you can stick extra mags in your back pocket, but it's not as secure and you are probably not going to be driving like that.
The idea is the AR-15 as a defensive rifle, not a fudd plinker. There are accoutrements necessary to make an effective militiaman defending hearth and home from any tyranny (home invasion, natural disaster community security) and a rifle with any type of purpose built magazine holder on load bearing equipment is crucial if you need to have a rifle and keep it running when you need it.
@@weege5.45 the true point of this video is to build a rifle not rifle plus a kit
You mention "I have no idea if this gun is all of a sudden gonna explode on me." I say that is quality build AND absolutely reliable. Iraqveteran8888 did a M&P 15 Sport ll fully automatic meltdown and lasted about a thousand rounds. That rifle will handle anything a weekend warrior will throw at it, especially in semi-auto which it's designed for. Great video by the way.
I have owned my M&P Sport 2 for several years now, and I've put several thousand rounds through it, and the only problem I've had is a stuck round that caused me to bend the charging handle. Other than that, it's been flawless. I couldn't ask for a better Rifle. Well worth the money.
Goldenwebb did a meltdown video yesterday with a knights armament SR15 and it only lasted a little over 500 rounds before the barrel exploded. I’m a BCM guy. For the money you can’t beat them. I’m impressed that the trigger pins didn’t fall out. The first time I took my DD Mark 18 out, one of the trigger pins worked its way out 2 magazines in
These RUclips operators tend to have an elitist attitude towards firearm brands. The differences between upper tier brands like BCM/Daniel Defense/Radian and entry tier brands like Aero Precision are negligible. They just like to use whatever justification they can to make themselves feel better about spending double or triple the price.
Lol yeahhhhh he's a clown for that it just completely invalidates anything he can ever say as far as I'm concerned.
I have never seen or heard anyone who owns a Sport 2, say anything bad about them. I don't know how this became the most underrated rifle. The M&P's are great rifles.
"This is a weapon of war, we have been neutering ourselves"
I've had this take forever. That is making the argument that 2A isn't for making war, which it is. Thank you for the spicy take.
all guns can be used in war
And do you remember how brutal the thousands of wars were, before there was firearms... lol
@@brachcooper4203 agreed I rather not beat someone too death like in the wars before guns. rather use a gun in war then my fist or something sharp.
FYI: If you put the SW MP15 Upper on a Military FN Lower with an AUTOMATIC Setting and fired a couple of Magpul 60 Round Drum Magazines THRU IT the Upper in Automatic FIRE the Upper would have a MELTDOWN about half way thru the Second Drum because that Barrel, Handguard and Gas Tube will NOT TAKE the HEAT!
There are MAJOR Differences between a Military M4/M16 and a Civilian AR-15 YES there are SOME AR15 that are BUILD to M4/M16 Standards of AUTOMATIC Fire but those are VERY FEW and they are NOT all COLT weapons FNH makes a Closer weapon since they use the SAME Barrel in both Lines. Just because something Looks Alike Does NOT Mean it will Perform the Same way!
Let me give you an Example do you think that an Invicta Automatic Watch that retails for 200 dollars and Looks like a Rolex Submariner is Going to Performed the Same way as a 12,000 dollar Rolex? They both tell time but the Rolex can go down 200-300 meter Underwater without issues the Invicta might be able to go 150-200 meter a few times before the Seals FAIL!
You are Correct any Weapon can be used for WAR but some are Weapons are Designed to be better and Last Longer.
@@af22raptor23503 - Iraqveteran8888 proved you wrong a long time ago. He took an M&P15 Sport-2 and did the Meltdown torture test and it fired 820 rounds in full auto before it stopped. So your theory of an M&P Ar15 melting down with two 60 round drums in full auto is debunked. ruclips.net/video/Qe4GvVYNQbc/видео.html
I mean, I built my rifle for $1000 but I wasn't expecting him to include a full kit to go with it in that budget lol
Yeah I say rifle means rifle. "Loadout" is the word he needs
My thoughts exactly… I could still do it though (without the ammo)
@@corylocher1 one magazine is 30 rounds if u cant stop a single bad guy with 30 rounds then you shouldnt own a firearm period.
I got my PSA rifle for $390 with a magpul flip up and a fixed sight post. 1000rds through it and it hasn't malfunctioned. Primary arms fixed 3x with a non battery dependent reticle, sling, and grip. this also lets me take the optic off and use the irons if it broke. I'm in it like $600. Can get an airsoft chest rig for like $35 which would be plenty sufficient for shooting drills, and 500rd, still easy under 1k.
@@corylocher1 Like a car--that's a nice way to think about it. You can only do so much with it when you drive it off the lot, but quite a bit more once you outfit it properly. The number of parallels that can be drawn between firearms and cars continues to impress me.
YES LUCAS SPITTING FAX RN, love the sporting rant.
Evan?
@@thearguy4445 hi
Evan ?
Happy to see you here Evan 😏
never thought id see you here. Worlds collide! You should make content on a second channel and a lot of your viewers would support you!
I never factor ammo costs into my builds... heck if that were the case the little Ruger LCP on my hip is a multi-thousand dollar gun because I have put a lot of rounds through that thing over the years.
Yeah I would not include the cost of ammo in my build either.
Like I stated it is to me same as buying Gasoline.Have to fuel you ride
Agreed. Rediculous.
This has to be the best "non review " realistic understanding of owning MY RIFLE ... Thank you
Really glad I wasn't the only one bothered by the word "sport" used by manufacturers on their products. The 2A isn't about "sport".
I was at first 2:40 taken aback... but was then reminded of 2A history ruclips.net/video/9kWW_y5deeg/видео.html
Depends on how you look at it. Tyrants over 230lbs are like 100 points.
I couldn’t care less about the term sport. People use the tool for competitive sport. If Jerry Miculek says it’s fine it’s fine.
@@DeVonMArtis you understand what your saying but think it’s bigger than that. These rifles are capable of full combat so we should treat and refer to them as that. There’s no such thing as sporting artillery. I think he’s right about that. If we refer to pedophiles as alternative lifestyles it makes it seem less bad than it truly is. The world in my opinion needs to start being more straight forward.
@@callsignblaze4388 I can see your point.
The finished rifle at around 27:30 was *exactly* what I put together with my first rifle before I even put any rounds downrange. Down to even the electrical tape on the tape switch. This was around a year ago back when it was really getting tense. God bless T.Rex Arms for being there when I was first getting into firearms and firearms training and the culture. I was very lost as to what to do when looking for a rifle. But their videos were there for me and my family when we were getting started in expressing our rights and defending our family and our people. Thank you guys for everything you all do, you've done more for people than you even know!
Call me poor, but i love the M&P 15. It was my first Ar, and in about 2 years ive put close to 2000 rounds through it with just a few malfunctions at the very beginning because i didnt lube the gun before shooting for the first time. After that its been absolutely perfect. Im probably going to buy another in a few weeks. Oh and of those 2000 rounds 1500 have been steel case
At 1300+ rounds through mine zero malfunctions
I got a MP Sport 2 I’ve put over 5000 rounds through mine all it needs is proper care, clean and lube 🔥
The rant about SPORT in the name was well done sir, thank you! for not kissing up
While agree for the most part, It seems like manufacturers have no choice nowadays, otherwise they'll get their ass's sued like Remington over Sandy Hook.
@@Tom-kk1zu so true my friend, so true!
Who cares what the box says we all know it's a deer rifle!
I think the important thing about these budget ARs and AKs is they get more guns in the hands of more Americans. At the same time it's very easy to fit a 1000-1500$ build into your regular budget, especially over a couple paychecks.
That's how I got my BCM
If your a nun
@@pinejungleboogie3563 not everyone has the defense budget for a scar h
@@jackbuendgen389 same with my Daniel Defense M4A1
Same I think Palmetto State is doing a very patriotic thing by getting those ARs out to as many people as possible for as cheap as possible
Built my first AR recently for about $500, then splurged and bought a red dot magnifier combo from sig for another 250. A few boxes of ammo later and I'm sitting pretty with a fun little gun for well under $1000.
Thank you bro it’s $400-$500 ARs that Yu build up n it still be under $1000 shit under $900
What was the 80's like?
@@seanbouker entry ars are cheap right now lol
@@smangosmooly9538 I'm in New York nothing is cheap lol
@@seanbouker apparently the 80s was about a month ago lmao.
Ammo and kit are part of a rifle load out, but not part of the rifle build. You can use the same armor/etc with multiple rifles.
Did I just watch an hour long not review for a budget rifle thinking I would only watch 15 minutes of it? You bet I did. Great vid!
Im still rocking my Ruger AR-556. Got brand new for $479(2016 price). Streamlight Protac HLX for $120 mounted on a Barska barrel mount for $50. Holosun Red Dot $150. B5 sopmod stock for $90 and BCM pistol grip for $20
Radical Arms 223 Wylde $499 used flip up sights $70...Is it impressive? No...Does it protect my property and family..Yes.
Love him or hate him, you can't deny that Lucas puts out quality information and calls out the 2a community without holding any punches. For that he's got my respect. Facts>YT drama
I don't hate him but I think he's a douchebag. He says "id rather run irons than a cheap red dot", then later says "well if I had a red dot I would be quicker". He's the best larper in skinny jeans though - I'll give him that. He's just a run of of the mill nerd who happens to like firearms and that's absolutely fine by me.
So you are saying you dont support your amendment?
@@dilldowschwagginz2674 he also shows later in the video how that cheap dot doesn’t return to zero so I agree with what he said
I mean truthfully that was a pretty bs excuse for us losing our gun rights. We all know the less we have easy access to firearms, means more power to our governing bodies. They ain’t taking our rights because “gun names” are off.
2A Community? You mean "Americans"? Such a strange term... Show me someone who is not in the '2A community' and I will show you someone occupying American lands.
You can't build a rifle for less than $350k. You need a house. You need a car. Don't forget the granola bars and an umbrella.
The m&p sport 2 was my 1st AR. I had over 5000 rounds threw it and only had maybe 5 malfunctions. Every malfunction was due to using cheap ammo! I definitely recommend this AR as a great starter rifle!
Through*
Yea have been definitely researching this rifle and so it seems that its gonna be my next purchase. I live in NY which is a really fucking stupid state for firearm laws. My brother in law has a basic entry model Colt AR15 and not a bad rifle at all but for the last 10 years ive been hearing a LOT of good things about S&W MP15s.
this is my first rifle as well, (mostly because it was the only one in my price range that was in stock back in December of 2020). Been great so far.
@@scrawnyclownsnatch9656 no issues? What is your round count through it so far? (Obviously not expecting anything crazy since ammo cost is insane right now) any sensitivity to ammo to your knowledge?
@@TacticoolVIKINGBeard Not nearly as many rounds thru it as I wanted. Only about 2000 rounds I think. No ammo problems, I've run multiple ammo types (Winchester, PMC etc...) both in 556 and 223 with no problems. The only upgrades I've done are a Magpul stock, added iron sites as mine didn't come with any and a B.A.D lever.
"Not a Review" Yet this is EXACTLY what a gun review should look, feel, sound like in my opinion. People can learn way more about a weapon platform through a video like this vs a normal RUclips gUn ReviEw
This is exactly what I want a product review to look like LOL
Lucas at it again, going infinite and beyond for entry level gun lovers out there nd more importantly spreading knowledge and experience. Hate him or love him, you can't ignore the fact that Lucas is really making a difference
Ps thanks for the giving us your class 1 starter kit!! These MPs though gonna sell like toilet papers during the epidemic lol
you said it right brother
Thats when I got mine
There’s much to consider here.
I bought my Sport II just before the’16 election for mid-$600s. It is the model with the fixed front and Magpul rear sights, so I had a complete, usable rifle right off the bat-though I painted over that M&P billboard right away.
That's what I did, I replaced the handguard and gas block and upgraded the furniture for around 200 total. I've got a cheap handheld light on it that still runs after getting beat up which surprises me lol.
Did you cut the a2 off and put a floating barrel over it?@@jonathanwalker4985
Got a M&P Sport II and hasn’t failed me once. Truly an awesome budget rifle.
same got it for my birthday last year before biden and it serves me great!
Traded mine for an AK but loved it . It was my first AR and would definitely recommend.
Yup, it's an outstanding rifle, I've never had an issue once with any of mine! 👍
Take a look at IraqVeteran8888, his full auto destruction videos, the M&P lasted impressively long.
@@y0tub3admin23 I always wonder about this when all of them are "mil-spec"
I thought the sport line came up as their “budget” line where they used to have the standard mp15 and the mp15 “tactical”
Where the sport used to come with a 1:9 twist no forward assist and a cheaper barrel. But that’s just my memory from 2016ish
True
I agree tho these are potentially deadly firearms and we shouldn’t be soft about it.
yes, the sport is their budget gun
I'm running a Sport with a 1:8 twist Barrel with 5r Rifling, and I love it.
I'm hitting 700yds in my current setup.
Yep that was my first rifle. Still runs like a champ!
Lucas is probably the king of antifuddism pointing out that the rifle was never intended for sporting purposes but for people to defend themselves from all threats to their life & liberty
I know a lot of people who just use the AR for hunting coyotes so no not really
@@mdsupreme1776 they work well for that but Stoner’s original intention wasn’t hunting coyotes. Nor was Kalashnikov’s
He comes off as larpy as fuck though
@@nocooldudes7614 cope
@@Teboski78 touch grass
$120 anderson lower
$380 PSA upper w/irons
$70 optic (Romeo 5 from ebay or a clone)
$30 Amazon sling
$25 Magpul knockoff foregrip from Amazon
$60 5 pmags
$90 120 rounds of 5.56
$10 pewpew lube
It ain't much but it'll do
Nice. Only thing that bothers me is that price of ammo😬 It's still not as cheap as before, but you should be able to find it under .50 a round.
Hands down best gun company on RUclips and in the industry! No Bs just truth and facts ! Love it
Opinions vary
FWIW my Sport 2 has had 1 malfunction in 3k rounds, no parts breakage, nor significant wear, and mostly fed steel case ammo. Sample size of 1 but it's been solid for me. Added a red dot, sling, ambi controls, and a different grip over a few years. No issues with Pmags or USGI.
Noice
Same with mine, the only issue I’ve ever had is failure to feed because I didn’t clean the rifle after 2500 rounds and let it sit for probably 6 months. Outside of that it’s been great, runs well suppressed and I’ve shot out to 550 yards with it and been able to hit my target. Shot after shot. All I’ve done is different hand guard, swapped out the trigger springs and put and adjustable gas block.
picked up my sport 2 in 2018, 10k rounds later still going like it was brand new.
It’s a great tool.
@M V 223 and 556 green tip.
Yep mine is my beater gun when I’m humping around the woods. Shoots garbage ammo like name brand and goes boom when asked. And I don’t cry if I drop it or it clangs against some rocks when climbing
You haven’t put 10k rounds through it, I’d bet you anything. I have one too and had to replace the barrel after about 7k
@@ViktoriousDead so that automatically makes my story false? lol low pressure ammo, cleaning after every range, and not running it into the ground helps preserve the barrel. maybe learn to take care of your shit and it will last longer lol
20:22 The reloads are so smooth. He's obviously earned the "Sleight of Hand" perk (through countless hours of training and getting that muscle memory down).
yea he has sleight of hand pro so he can aim faster too
get an ammo sponsor and a youtube channel and youll get that fast too.... easy to practice when that is your job. yes thats envy no it doesnt make it less true
I have and train with the M&P Sport II. At this time I have around 3000 rounds through it. Have never had a malfunction with it. I normally fire around 600 rounds through it each time I take it out. Great gun for the money. Very reliable.
same here, but when i got mine a few years ago it was less than $400
So what you’re saying is the M&P Sport II is like a Honda Civic? Cheap but reliable ;)
@@three5581 Kinda sorta. Some guns cost a few hundred, some a few thousand, but you have to ask yourself if the extra cost is worth it as long as the cheaper version is perfectly functional.
Well I have found for a person new to the platform it's a reliable starter AR. You can upgrade as you like taking your time so you don't break the bank.
@@three5581 exactly I right now have over 3000 rounds through mine. With no internal upgrades, and still no malfunctions.
At the end of the day I'm always a fan of cheap rifles being available for the market. Palmetto for example I know I know "cheap crap" but at the end of the day they're putting functional firearms into the hands of as many Americans as possible.
I'd put the Palmetto PA15 up against so.e that cost 3 times as much
@@jamietwigg5152 I've had two of them and no far no problems however I've seen that their quality control is subpar. I think if they got ahold of that their reputation would be a little higher. Additionally as it was stated in the video, in order to bring the costs down there has to be some things that are cheaper in quality than a more expensive option.
@@jamietwigg5152 Id put the race gun I built from them against any AR on the market.
If it kills it has done its job.$60.00 or $6,000.00
I grabbed a pistol upper from PSA but I can’t decide if I should send it back- the hand guard is slightly off center and the qd point has a spot next to it that looks like a big dent and looks crappy. I feel like I got a blemish item full price yay me.
Imagine playing Tarkov and all you hear is “Ahh, Sling!” Before everything goes black.
"Head,eyes"
A randomized ADS delay based on "sling" attachment would be awesome tho.
Good slings rule - bad slings suck. Same for mag pouches - but games should be "fun" so fck it I guess...
So... The title is misleading. Yes you can get a AR-15 for less than 1000, you can even get a Iron sighted, slinged, lighted, 2 mags for less than 1000. The video keeps referring to a full kit and other shit. But yes, a baseline functioning AR can be bought for way less than a thousand. Noods, chest rids, bags and high-end optics are another story
Where? Or, are you referring to assembling one by yourself?
@@5jjt just by shopping around you can find deals and sales for gear. My only gripe with this video is he keeps referring to kit and ammo plus a plethora of accessories.. he asks "can you get a rifle for $1,000, no...... Anyway here's an m&p sport for $680" like... There's one right in your hand dude, video over lmao. Now obviously you need sights and a mag to complete the rifle. That's it, he had the sling, a light and some other stuff which is all great and fine and dandy. That's not the point of the video, some people might not need a light because it's a range rifle, some people don't want to sling their rifle for whatever reason. It's all subjective to the mission you want.
I have a complete $760 set up for the range and basic tomfoolery.. And I also have a $3200 set up with a pec-15, surefire can, Eotech hybrid systems and a bunch of other cool s*** that I want when I go LARPing in the woods. It's all just kinda subjective
9:10 *YEET*
Lucas: (thinking) “Yeah... I’m never finding that again.
Two years later of meddling in his personal armory filled with hundreds of weapons, NVGs, cables, ammunitions, batteries and accessories: "Ah! What is this?" **video flashbacks**
"Omg, I see the truth now"
Besides being overgassed as most budget minded off the shelf ARs, the SW sporter will satisfy 99% of what a person would need an AR platform rifle to do. Battlefield Vegas absolutely destroys these thing in full auto and they still chug. Slap a holosun on it and a Streamlight and you have a solid fighting rifle that’s budget minded but not “cheap”
Imo, today's market, $1500 is a budget kit that can work.
@@AjackLee4 so sad. Before Obama stepped on the 2nd amendment by banning imports the average citizen could buy a quality ak74 and 1000 rounds for $350.
Think about that. Your average person could buy a quality tyrant killing rifle and ammo for a under $400....
It was basic but it could keep up.
@@edwardlilley1705 Idk about under 400 but it would be under 1k.
@@AjackLee4 I know people who got Russian ak 74 rifles in the early 2000s when I was a young teenager and they paid under 400 for the rifle and ammo. I thought it was so expensive lol.
Same guy got an SKS with a bayonet for $100 and I also thought it was expensive as I didn't know any better. I was like 13
Edit* my point is it's a shame how expensive things have gotten. ☹️
@@edwardlilley1705 I remember mosins being in the $100s, SKS in $200s, and AKMs $300-400, more expensive ones were stuff like the M70s with grenade sights and flip up night nights.
Good shit man, I would like to see a “budget breakdown” for current market optics, rifles, slings, lights. I feel like this channel is more honest than most YT channels
You could put together a ept PSA gun which i would gush about but i will just go with i haven't seen it fail yet. 450... sig MSR red dot optic 99$(they are ok probably could get nicer ones), inforce light $120, magpul sling uhhh like $45. add a couple magpuls9$, and a bank robber chest rig(holds 4 ar mags). i don't see how it isn't possible. meh you want to trick it out smack some irons sig m400 flip ups you can find for 105 if you look. and then a sig ambi mag bar 7bucks. and a trybe mbi safety 20. maybe a magpul foregrip. not the operator tier but a 5.56 round from it would feel the same.
PSA Rifle w Romeo 5 optic would be had for under 550 total. Their QA over the last few years has gone up leaps and bounds.
Their AR15 days of Christmas sale was pretty amazing this year
Their blem GF5 is now on sale for 799.
That is a crazy good deal.
It really hasn't
@@TommyTombstoneanti-PSA guys are the new fudds.
@@Dark_Ages_Crusader False. PSA guys are the new Fudds. A fucking $400 shit stick with a Chinese dot and not even so much as a decent WML isn't "just as good," grandpa.
You know why Glock guys aren't considered Fudds, despite the fact that they've been ubiquitous since the 80s? Cuz they actually work, all the time. You're not rolling the dice and praying that a low round count won't expose inherent issues.
I find it odd that he’s constantly ragging on foreign made products when the gun he trusts most with his life is from Austria, he sells aimpoints on his website, which are made in Sweden, and his car is Japanese.
Right! Not to mention they want to scream how it’s made over seas but yet 90% of the crap in the world is cause we consume too much and don’t have enough to build at home for the cost we will pay , and when they say. O this is American product. But they leave out the part about how the parts they use to assemble it is made over seas still. But put together here. So yeah 🤷♂️ IMO. If it’s good. It’s good it’s that simple
@@jasonjackson329
Well if we could do to the atf what they pulled in waco we might have more usa companies to choose from
To be fair Toyota makes a ton of cars in the US and Glock has a US factory.
"Overseas" is a euphemism for China
Arent Glocks made in Georgia?
People were making fun of the M&P's two years ago and I'm sure now they'll be sold out. The M&P 15 has always been my bedside and SHTF rifle..
I’ve been looking into getting one. Or the saint victor but the m&p seems really good.
@@sabgarcia1 I'd probably do something other than Springfield ars
The M&P 15 sport 2 is my base rifle. I have roughly 9800 rounds through it and it does work great. I upgraded the buffer and spring because mine failed at like 3k rounds. It’s a fantastic base to build from for such a cheap price. Solid video
9800 rounds is really good, I wonder how many rounds it’ll last before it keyholes
@@squidy4082 definitely a good question. I’m sure the barrel isn’t giving me the best performance anymore but right now I haven’t been shooting due to the lack of available ammo. I would love to upgrade it to a rosco or even a criterion barrel.
@@stevenleflar5152 I know BCM level barrels can get 15-20 so I would assume 10k give or take
@@stevenleflar5152 ballistic advantage Hansen series has changed the game for me.
@@regularjoetac-gearshow6474 I just saw this comment. I’m going to look into it for sure, have you noticed a performance difference?
He could have run a red dot for an extra $10 bucks, but chose iron sights? He also pimped his own company’s sling @ $55, when he could have bought a comparable $30 sling.
This was a great video to watch. It's nice to see Lucas run a less expensive set up.
I bought a M&P Sport II about 10 years ago, I have more rounds through that rifle than any other, I have replaced the gas rings once and after many cases of Wolf steel and M193, I can say it's just an average AR, more than adequate in my estimate. I replaced the gas rings once and that's it. I put a Surefire G2L with a GG&G 1" mount on it because I was obviously trying to be thrifty, a Griffin Armament M4SD flash/comp (best flash comp IMO) and a Geissele SSA trigger. Its a decent set up. I have no reason to dislike it. I have "better" stuff now but I would still recommend an M&P Sport to anybody who was looking for a defensive carbine on a budget. It will send a bullet when you need to send one, and it will send a bullet when you don't need to send one. What more can you ask of a carbine....
U put a geissele trigger on an m&p..? I just shuddered even thinking about it
@@InflammatoryCommentMaker Yeah. I did. Do you have any experience with Geissele triggers or AR15's in general? I'd be interested to know which AR's in particular you would submit would not benefit from a trigger upgrade. The Geissele is a great improvement over a stock mil spec trigger.
@@dustysavoy6951 I put a two state Geissele sdc on my knights armament sr15 and my aero+bcm Mk12 clone. I wouldn’t put a geissele trigger on a rifle that cost less than $1500. And I wasn’t trying to be rude, my original comment was meant in a joking manner.
@@InflammatoryCommentMaker "I wouldn't put a Geisssele on an AR that costs less than $1500"
You realize that's kind of silly and makes no sense, right. Also, while you may be joking, you come off as a snob. Like pulling up in a Lexus and scoffing at somebody for putting Hakkapalitas on their Honda, you realize even some of the best shooters among us wouldn't be able to distinguish one make of upper/lower recievers from another if they contain quality components and are tuned and built correctly? It's not the arrow, it's the indian.
Do you think having spent $2K-$3K on a rifle puts you ahead of me in terms of skill/experience, or a gunfight or on the range? I have an Aimpoint on a PSA build too, I'm guessing you would "shudder" and scoff at that too..... I don't play the keeping up with the jones' game, I spend money on ammo and quality components and try to be good enough to take advantage of the relatively small performance gains. I have higher end equipment since cutting my teeth on the M&P, but I don't need to flex my "superior" gear to make the point, on the range and in a gunfight, experience and skill are the most important factors, along with having reliable, quality equipment, which I have.
@@dustysavoy6951 well you just took a passing remark phrased lightly and proved that you’re an old fudd who can’t take a joke. Awesome dude, definitely gonna read your essay on why “the youngin’s don’t do it like it should be done”
Lucas and Team, this is one awesome video. I've been following T.rex Arms for years; they're products are top notch, podcasts informative, and their mission vital to the health and growth of a healthy America. While I'm much farther along in my 2A journey as far as the context of this video being gear, I would have loved this video for the guidance and valuable criticism for starting what is a very daunting journey to a beginner. Thank you all for your hard work. Me and many others appreciate what you do.
I have an M&P sport 2 that's built out a little bit (new trigger, cheap-ish red dot, flashlight) i have about 2,000 rounds through it and haven't had any issues at all. In the fair amount of use I've put it through its held up nice.
“Can you build a rifle under $1000”
“No once you add a chest rig and accessories it’s impossible”
Well my friend a chest rig is not part of a rifle.
You're gonna need a pair of Oakleys too, which sets you back another couple hundred
No you can't once you add an M1 Abrams and accessories.
Right, what a ridiculous statement lol. Then goes on to including fricking ammo cost as well. Gimme a break.
That was some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard
Hearing protection isn't part of the rifle either, but have fun shooting without that I guess. No one said you absolutely need a chest rig but it sure would be helpful for the purposes Lucas is trying to cater towards.
Guaranteed to be one of the most watched videos T-Rex ever posted
If worked at a gun store / range for almost 3 years now, I’ve always used t.rex arms as a reference to my customers. I wear the AC1 every day (shit you see at public ranges) along with holsters, mag carriers, shot timer, and videos as training aids for myself as well as customers.
Once again, your video highlights something I’ve always told people, but get shrugged off because I’m only 25, and self taught. Thanks for being a leader in an industry led by political followers 🤙🏻
Aye what gun shop? I worked at cabelas. Its kinda hands off but I'm the only one who is into guns in my family.
I grew up in the suburbs and could only ever go to indoor pistol ranges when I got old enough. I have experience in paintball as far as tactics go but getting to train with live fire outdoors just isn't possible for me yet.
I feel like I could hold my own given the chance just because of being self taught and practicing dry fire but I really wanna try it.
Range day?
It’s a small gun shop in central Florida, Frogbones Family Shooting Center. It’s a little mom and pop shop, but he have a full indoor rifle/pistol range, a fully stocked store and a sister company bar and grille attached to the same building.
Being the store that we are, I love that I can do two things there; tell people when their wrong and let people hold guns, play with them, test them out (we have a full rental fleet of pistols, rifles and shotguns) and most importantly, dry fire it in store to let them feel triggers and such. I know at big box stores they hardly let you even touch it unless you’re buying it.
I’ve played Airsoft for 15 years and that all translated directly into my job as far as tactics go, luckily enough my boss is impressed enough with my shooting to let me inboard into the training group to be an instructor. I have to do the song and dance and get NRA certs but it’s a necessary evil to do what I love. I’m no Lucas, but I like to think that my training is paying off
So you give people defensive shooting advice that you heard from somone who has never been in a single gunfight in there entire life? Sounds about right….
I sure do, because he’s right. And when he’s wrong, he comes out and says so and tells you how to fix it. 😁
@@jasonredman4627 My Cabela's store ain't much better. One of my customers called us the "World of Opinions" and I had to laugh cause some of the old guys working there part part in retirement are exactly that way.
M&P sport 1 was my first rifle. Still have it. Put about 5500-6000 rounds through before I rebuilt it at a SOLGW AR15 armorers course.
It's a 1moa gun with 62gr Federal Fusion and has proven itself reliable(when lubed) through 4 days of rifle classes and many trips to an outdoor range where it was run very hard.
The M&P is a damn good, no thrills rifle. It just works, it’s accurate, and it’s affordable for the common man to own.
Amen!
To a point yeah but you can build a better quality Rifle for around the same price but with better parts
@@Covertdaily true but not all new gun owners want to build an AR.
Yuck.
@@Covertdaily no you can’t tbh. For the same price you could build a psa or something but it won’t be as good a stock sport 2
Damn, Lucas coming straight saying, "yes it is a weapon of war." Extremely ballsy but you have my whole attention
💯 had to remember 2:40 the right and responsibility to “weapons of war” is specifically protected in the 2A ruclips.net/video/9kWW_y5deeg/видео.html
I mean technically a beretta 92 is a weapon of war so…🤷🏼♂️
But by definition it is a weapon you could use to go to war
If a gun isn’t deadly then it isn’t worth owning for protection. That’s kind of the point of them
retittle this "lucas lvl 1 prepared citizen " loadout.
Damn what I’d do to have a range like this. Or even a range my neighbors aren’t trying to take away.
What I’d do to have a range like this is work hard and buy/build it. What would you do?
@@InappropriateShorts ooo edgy
I swear the Internet sure makes folks ballsy.
This is what i love, seeing a man who can train with anything and be proficient with it
Romeo5 is a great budget optic they are very durable and accurate for the price. If someone buys this for SHTF odds are they are going to leave it mounted and not play musical optics so returning to zero issue is a dumb Issue in my opinion. But I enjoyed the video keep up good work 👍🏻
Same I didn’t even know that “returning to zero” was something to be concerned about with budget optics or what that even meant. Like I see the Romeo didn’t return to zero after removing it so why not just re zero it or have three M&Ps to test the optics on so “return to zero” isn’t even a variable
The problem is, a decent impact should shift the zero too. It has a weak mounting point and no recoil lug. Return to zero plays into "maintaining" zero.
@@TREXARMS ahhh okay I see. So what you were pointing out was the Romeo 5 not having that little notch or “recoil lug” in the middle of the base of the housing? Or the mounts that come with cheap aimpoint micro type optics are just not a viable option if you do choose to run a budget micro red dot?
Well that’s why I say durable and accurate for the price. But I have 2 of these and have beat the crap out of them one stays under back seat of my truck I farm and shoot hogs regularly and have never had one off accuracy wise. Your video as far as the romeo5 wasn’t about impact it was simply taking it on and off. Not bashing what your saying at all cause I know you know what your doing but in my experience with this optic for the price it’s great. Also I love your channel and appreciate you commenting back
A different mount solves the problem also. I personally don't run red dots without a QD mount. The ADM QD gives you lower 1/3rd and QD for sub $100 and is money well spent IMO.
Only Lucas can make a Smith & Wesson sport look cool when shooting it lol
He did tho!
If you account for only the firearm w/out accessories, I can tell you that if you pick your parts at the right time (think flash sales), you can put an AR15 together for under $600.
In 2016, I did a PSA/Anderson for $298.
👆👆YOU’VE BEEN PICKED FOR THE ONGOING GIVEAWAY.🎊🎉..
I bought the sport 1 and a year later the sport 2 came out with dust cover and forward assist. It pissed me off so I swapped out the upper for an aero upper and a new rail. Couldn’t be happier with it and the experience of doing the swap inspired me to do more builds.
Yeah i was gifted a dpms oracle as my first ar years ago and to me it was just a cheaper feeling version of something like an m&p but i swapped to an aero upper, new trigger, and everything. Had a good few malfunctions on the dpms upper but since swapping internals and uppers ive only had 1 light primer strike in 1,500+ rounds on the upper, a lot of the time in dust, dirt, and rain. Aero is solid.
I don’t plan on taking my optics on and off my guns very often unless there’s some reason why I have to. I wouldn’t expect it to be right back on zero if I took it off the gun. Even if I had a scalarworks mount I’d still zero the optic/scope again to make sure. Idk that’s just me.
Military Combat Arms instructors will always have you re-zero your $900 Aimpoint on top of your $2000 Colt M4 before scoring your shots. "Return to zero" mounts are really "return to close enough".
I watch a lot, really a lot of video's about firearms, subscribe to many pro gun channels, but most of the useful and practical information is usually found on t.rex arms. Great job, keep it up gentlemen.
I see plenty of ar’s at the ranges I frequent that are under $1,000 and ring steel at 400 yards all day long. This older gentleman built his back in 2015 for $400, has a scope on it and nails playing cards at 600 yards. I don’t know the cost of the scope but I doubt it’s over $600.
If you need $1500-$3000 for an ar to be accurate and effective at 500 yards you need to become better with an ar.
Iraqiveteren8888 did a burn test on the M&P 15 and it out performed alot of Gucci guns.
When people get big like this they really turn their noses up at budget firearms gear. Yes, you can build a solid rifle for $1000 lol
I love his content. He isnt wrong per say but I can confirm my rifle was around $1,000 and is rock solid.
The issue is he clearly states you can't build a "rifle" for under a thousand. Yet he unboxes a brand new $650 rifle. Or you can buy a build kit for the same price just better quality and assemble it yourself. You can build a hundred different rifle variations for $1,000 or less but when you're talking about all the attachments and thousand rounds of ammo and all of that that is not what you stated in the beginning of the video.
Effectively all you need is a bare Bones m&p 15 with a cheap set of irons and you have a rifle that you can shoot as is..
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Not trying to turn my nose up.... But I had a sub $1000 build for my first rifle. 5-6k rounds through it. After two years dropped $4000 full build. The differnce is night and day. I am not the best shooter out there but can gaurntee that the build/price level matters.
The M&P15 is a sacred gun. Kyle had it.
Based
the people's rifle
Wish I started off with a Palmetto State Armory carbine and equipment instead of going straight to a premium brand.
Literally just started putting together a parts list for an AR
It is rewarding to build your own but if u can get complete upper built is usually cheaper. I realy like bk firearms and spend my money on a good trigger and bolt carreir.
Aero receivers and buffer kit, handguard of your choice, ballistic advantage barrel, cmmg parts kit, Magpul k2 or k2+ grip, B5 bravo stock, optic, sling and flashlight. 👍👍
@@chavezhead Ballistic Advantage upper! With Aero Lower and BCG.
Real gamer move
@@chavezhead wow did you go into my carts and pick my exact build? Literally almost exactly what I was gonna get except just a bcm barrel. but now I'm thinking I might just get a built BCM upper so I don't have to deal with tooling to get the barrel in
I have a Sport II and I've put a few thousand rounds through it. Hasn't had any failures. Sure, it's not the highest speed tacticool "weapon of war" that exists. However it's a great choice for a budget rifle, especially if you can get it under $600. I slapped a two point sling on it with an Eotech 512 and a Magpul stock. It gets what I need done, and after I get my partner a rifle I will upgrade to a BCM upper and get some nicer accessories.
Bro to be honest you can build your M&p into a Highend rifle just as better as the BCM
Glad to see you running the M&P15, it’s a good price and a great quality rifle.
Love my sport 2… thousands of rounds threw it, no problems. Excellent choice for fun range shooting or serious prepping.
Genuine question, how often are you removing an optic from a rifle and not throwing it on another rifle? I don't understand the practical application of having an optic return to zero. I have a few rifles with very different roles, and different optics tailored to those roles. I feel like the only people that would benefit are guys with tons of rifles and tons of optics.
agree
Literally just had an experience that made this entire comment ridiculous. Long story short, it makes re-zeroing an optic or red dot on a new rifle way quicker then starting from scratch. The added benefit from all this is a mount that maintains zero when moved is going to better maintain zero when bumped around.
It's a quality standard. The point he made was the more expensive optic returned to zero, because of the quality its manufactured thus making it cost more. It fits much tighter on the gun and won't move around. Even when removed and put on another gun. Your more expensive optic mounts and or just optics come with a return to zero guarantee.
@@xPRODIGYxGAMER The fact that you compared a 100 dollar optic to something like an aimpoint shows that youre out of your depth. Trust me, if they were "Just as good", our military would be all over it. They give money to the lowest bidder, so why do you think the optics they buy are "Expensive" compared to the rest? Because optics like acogs and aimpoints are so many magnitudes better than the vortex or sig optics that militaries all over the world understand that the increase in quality is worth the 4-5 time markup. Return to zero is a quality control component, not something you'd ever really use. If an optic and mount can be knocked around, taken off, replaced, and shoot true to zero, it's well build. Your sample size of one optic isn't a true test, plenty of hi points out there that never jammed, does that make them good?
@@mynameisjeff6988 I'm sorry but the return to zero quality of a sight is due to the mounting method and hardware and not some "build quality" issue. I am yet another person who owns a Romeo5 and I can also confirm that you can knock them around and they maintain zero quite well. The reason they don't "return to zero" when you remove them and put them on another gun or the same gun later on is because the mounting solution doesn't allow for repeatable positioning on the gun. Which, is really only a problem if you remove it and put it back on. If you aren't going to do that, then they stay in zero fine. In fact, I've seen people test the zero on the Romeo by throwing it off a building and it remained at a perfect zero. Also, the reason the Sig isn't even considered for duty in the military is probably the same reason it's not respected by peoppe like yourself, that's because it's made in China... Let's be real here folks.
I bought this exact AR a few months ago at PSA for around $600. I've since changed the stock to an MOE stock, the grip to an MOE grip, the handguard to a quad rail, added a magpul RVG, and put a vortex UH-1 with a flip up 3x magnifier behind it. love this rifle. im about 700 rounds in and haven't had any issues with it, not a single jam.
Nice I run a lot of mag pull moe stuff on my rifles and there stocks are hella comfy
I like PSA stripped uppers and lowers I run them on a few of my rifles
Spent more on the sight than the rifle itself, you love to see it haha
@@Phoros yep hahaha
@@DragonBallStrike I run a vortex red dot, but man I fell in love with the Huey after using it in R6 Siege. Do you run the micro magnifier or the older version?
Olight watching this with a clenched fist screaming “LUUUUUCAAAASSSSS!!!!”
I’d honestly never expect an optic to hold zero once it has come off the gun. There’s just too many variables that have nothing to do with the optics construction.
"Can you build a rifle for under a grand" proceeds to buy a rifle
There are just so many sales during the holidays to build something, complete components, individual/from scratch builds... I got a Plametto State AR15 complete lower for $120 and a complete Bear Creek BC15 300 Blackout upper for $260. Including taxes, shipping and FFL processing costs I spent a grand total of about $500.
Then a 3x magnifier/red dot combo that was already 25% off, with a coupon code for an extra 25% off and bam, optics for $180.
I'm very pleased with the holiday sales this year
I'd love a ready rig, but I'm never ready when they're available for the 3 minutes they're available for lol
I bought a M&P 15 a couple years ago as a base to start my build and I've put that thing through hell and I have never once had any issues with it.
Shooting comps, Weekly drills, Thousands of rounds. Summer hot and winter cold, It's never failed me once. You just got to keep in oiled clean and maintained like any other AR platform and you have yourself a very stable platform! I have some drills on my channel.
Can we get a list to all these to build? Thanks!
RUclips actually doesnt allow it
Some channels get away with it but others get struck for putting anything in the description
Good question!
You lost me a minute in when you started including ammo in the cost. Yes, you can build a very decent rifle on a stripped lower for $1000 especially if you have the luxury to wait for sales. The title of this video should be, can you build a rifle + kit + ammo supply for under $1,000 and right now of course the answer is going to be no.
Sometimes much less cheaper then 1000. Especially if you know what brands for parts are a big bang for your buck. And not some hiped up brand.
Threw me off as well. The title of the video was a little misleading lol
I built a geissle super duty a few years ago on black Friday I ordered a upper they were really late getting them out and sent us 2 35 percent off coupons and 1 20 percent I ended up building the whole rifle for about $1,200 probably never happen again but it pays to be patient.
IWI Zion-15 gets close. About $750 before FFL transfer and tax. But yes, still need sling, WML, sights, ammo, etc etc.
The problem with the Z15 imo is that the specs are unknown. They do a terrible job on their website providing information imo.
Facts! I got mine for 800+ though. My best purchase by far , an amazing manufacturer too.
True I've heard the Zion 15 is the best for the money.
@@benthephilosopher considering it doesn't come with sights I would argue the Springfield Saint Victor or Troy are the best bang for buck options around 900. The Zion might* tie with aero for rifles without sights but IWI does not publish good specs on this rifle so there are a bunch of unknowns.
@@1unkn0wn Springfield saint is trash
My first AR platform was an M&P Sport II. I've only put about 1500 rounds through it in the 6 months I've had it. I threw an Aimpoint PRO on it, a 15" MLOK handguard (small brand, not sure if it will hold zero with an IR device), redid the gas system, Streamlight railmount with a pressure switch, Blueforce gear sling, FAB Defense GL-Core stock (kind of wish I went with a Magpul CTR lol), M&P sling swivel in the rear, and a couple of other minor changes. Internals and trigger are all stock.
I'll say that the only malfunctions I've had in that time were related to very used Gen-2 Magpul PMAGs I got from a friend. The malfunctions cease entirely when I use brand new PMAGs. The rifle is definitely not a terrible starting point for new AR platform folks, but you may get some buyer's remorse once you start getting more educated on the platform and other options out there. The money I've put into "upgrades" could definitely have been spent on a BCM upper and Aero Precision lower to start with; but I wouldn't have gotten the experience of tinkering along the way. There's something about buying a lower tier gun that makes me go out and research the crap out of the platform. One of the two jobs I work require me to be armed while on duty, and this gun is always either at my knees or on my body. I confirm zero with both my optic and irons at least once a month, and practice dry reload and fire drills daily with it just to keep proficiency; the same goes for my Glock 19.
For what you pay for an M&P Sport/Sport II, I'd say it's fine so long as you're keeping up with the maintenance and training. If $1000 is your budget for a carbine, there's definitely worse options. Build out accessories over time, and train with your savings. I've spent way more on supporting gear than on the gun itself. I bought the gun when I did because I wanted to start getting time behind the platform ASAP before I went into the field I'm going into now. Still way better with my Glock though lol.
If you had the time, would love to see a follow up with the M&P Sport II after 2,000+ rounds. I think your words offer a lot as you seem very straight forward. I'm sure there are plenty of subscribers that own or would purchase that rifle, and an honest review after a few thousand rounds would be sweet.
I think his sponsors/his company push towards the $1500+ rifles and expensive accessories.
Because outside of this video, Captain McTightpants wouldn't be caught dead with a non Gucci rifle. In the teenage gun culture 2.0 world: massive $$$ = QuAlItY. Even if an M&P Sport II is a legit viable alternative. It'd be great if he would grow up a bit, but he's living high on the hog on his family's virtues.
Look at Saint Kyle. That kid got it done with an M&P Sport. Probably didn't have a ton of training, really. Yup. He had a failure (I've had failures with FN and Colt in the heat of the moment), but he applied immediate action and pressed.
Point? Heart and a decent amount of good training means much more than spending $$$ ever will. But, this is a concept that Captain McTightpants NEVER says (or will say), yet Mike Jones (GarandThumb) always pushes (nowadays, anyways).
@@MrBeachDoctor this guys a shill. He is so out of touch with the average person to where he thinks that the only option is to break the bank. He thinks 150$ for a pair of ironsights is necessary...
Im a new AR-15 buyer and my decision came down to the M&P vs the Diamondback DB-15.
I chose the DB-15. Looking forward to how it performs.
I love how you and your crew there at T-Rex arms Care more about getting good product quickly to the consumer more than you care about getting your name out there! America needs more companies like yours! 👍🙂
I actually have a m&p15 sport 2 and I love it, so far I’ve only done a carry handle and a quad rail but I plan to add more to the rifle but so far it works great and I love it. I’m happy to see a video of a build with that firearm and when I say it works great I mean so far and I’ve Barely had it and I do look forward to upgrading it to make it better then a entry rifle
I bought one three or four years ago and right now you wouldn't even recognize it as an M&P sport 2. I swapped out everything on the gun overtime other than the upper and lower receiver and barrel. Literally everything. And that's not because it was a bad gun out of the box because it wasn't it was actually a great rifle I just wanted a different look and feel
Most of the ARs here in MA are m&p sport 2's it was the most common AR in local stores up until July 2016, then all options other than what's already in state became unavailable. Granted, you can still get any upper still, just the lower is going to be what's available in state or 80 percent and that's an uncontested legal matter still.
Check out Iraq veteran 8888 he does a melt down on the m&p 15 I think it holds up as good or better than more expensive guns I think it run a little over 800 rounds on full auto
@@redmiller7524 I actually saw that video and I took that into consideration when buying it
Get a PSA assembled lower for $149, then a complete upper from Bear Creek for $299
You need to understand who is building these “budget” guns, this guy is built on money.
I mean - if it is your first AR ever and dont have alot to spend... You will and should upgrade once you become more proficient
As a left handed rifle shooter, I am a huge bear creek enthusiast
@@TheLAWanderer Honestly, there's not a whole lot to upgrade besides the extractor and spring. What else can you think of that isn't just for a brand's name sake?
@@5jjt with BCA? might want to check the sheer amount of QC fuggups and bolt failures. My personal experience I bought a complete 223 wylde billet upper from them, and they shipped it with the bolt out of spec. I wrote an email asking for a replacement, and they didnt bother sending a label. I had to pay shipping for their mistake. Nice one BCA.