Burrow has a losing regular season record has all these great players and still can't lift his team enough to make the playoffs Josh Allen has no name guys won his division is the number 2 seed and had 13 wins with nobody players burrows so great why couldn't he carry his team to the playoffs
TLDR book here... But I'd imagine even Joe would trade Tee Higgins for solid line play and a consistent MID tier D. Burrow can absolutely elevate avg receivers/players if he has more than 1.9 seconds to go thru his reads like Patty, Josh or Lamaar do regularly, or have a hammer run game to keep the blitzes and covgs honest. He still obviously eats so fn many sacks trying to extend..its literally all on film. So then everyone thinks that that Patty, Lamaar or Josh could DEFINITELY have had better results with the team Joes had around him since 2020, and he has no reason to be considered under the same metrics?? I'd wager none of those guys could have even sniffed a SB with what Joe had. And all this about "..WELL HES GOT 2 ELITE RECEIVERS SO HES A SCRUB FOR NOT MAKING THE POs EVERY YEAR OR WINNING A RING YET!! 🤪" is laughable. Tee is healthy 65 to 70% of the time (not a knock...just facts, it's the NFL.) and was almost entirely out their 2nd AFC run in 22'..so what did he have to do? Make Trenton Irwin and practice squad TEs look better than what they were..and that's exactly what he did. So this year did nothing to elevate or diminish his "standing"..it just made the front office finally realize they better take some significantly more drastic measures to improve the O line and D before he breaks for good..or plays out his deal and goes and gets a ring somewhere else for his last contract. Dude is no less than top 3 QB...wide receivers don't block, play D, or make coaching decisions. And they sure don't seemingly work against league leading efforts like his organization has. No he's not flawless or an all time great yet like Patty..but saying he still isn't in the convo for the 2 or 3 spot in play ranking because of this less than desired season is absurd...even Brou knows that. ☝️ Anything else is just a slanted take bc someone doesn't like Burrow..totally cool to simply not like a guy, just don't cap and say it's bc the dude isn't as good as this guy or that guy. I don't ever make bets, but I think things changed this year..and he'll have his ring before the end of his current deal. All just one guys opinion of course, heard a bunch of 'hot' takes so had to drop one myself, stay blessed. 💯🎉
@@shutupsuffer how are the two correlated at all? Stafford is clearly past his prime so he isn’t mentioned when discussing the top 5 QBs in the league. When comparing Mahomes vs lamar vs Allen vs burrow it’s a relevant talking point to note that burrow has done what the other two have not been able to.
@@StrongmanBrian because he's on the Bengals. They hired a QB coach as their head coach. They have 5 scouts (most teams have 20). Winning for a franchise that's not even trying to win is impressive. It matters.
Yah, and the only reason why Herbert is not in the first 0:08 slide for 2021 is because Tom Brady held the spot. Justin was 2nd in the league. But you put Joe in 2021 with his 2024 numbers and he does not pass Brady. Burrow never passed Brady in total yards. Tough to compete against the GOAT. Its a very cherry picked stat to use to defend Burrow.
Honestly so happy about it. This is a daily part of my life. I do believe most of the misconduct took place in Los Angeles and this show is in New York.
Not mentioned because they don’t work with Joy who has been busy spreading Joy at FS1. Regardless they’re all married and have kids so. They’re good dudes.
Burrow beat the Panthers, Giants, Browns, Raiders, Titans, Cowboys, Browns ( again ), Broncos, and Steelers. Until two weeks ago, they hadn't beat a team with a winning record. The Cowboys are the 3rd best team they beat.
so what's your point. nobody else in the afc playoffs going to beat kc. lmao. the chargers. the texans. the steelers. oh the 2-4 lamar jackson ravens. bo nix going to do it when he he failed to reach the national title right. oh it will be buffalo for the 4th time right.
@@lorenzotheman1Could be the only team that's given chiefs a real run for their money is the bills. So honestly I'd bet on them. The biggest issue I see with the Bengals these past few years isn't that Joe burrow can't get stuff done. It's the organization as a whole that's the issue. A team run by committee slows down everything because everyone wants a say with how the moneys spent. And currently not much is getting done that needs to get done. The bengals would be better off being sold to a single owner who can make changes on the fly as the season progress. The bengals barley made a dent in replacing all their defensive issues along with even making sure to try and keep Higgins on this team period or chase really. They seem to not wanna pay players or seem to find it hard to come to agreements might as well be the jets at this point.
Cincy is a good team (I'm a Chiefs fan). But these slow starts to each season is killing them. That's on Zac Taylor. It's 100% coaching. He needs to reevaluate his processes or quit.
If the Bengals want to be in the playoffs maybe they should start playing football in September instead of December. Only the Chiefs can start in December. Bengals are not the Chiefs.
The 0-2 or 0-3 starts just have to stop. That’s why Cincy isn’t in the playoffs because they don’t play the first half of the season that prepared. Missing the playoffs sucks but Burrow proved that if he is healthy the entire season he is one of the elite QB’s in the league. He also had one of the worst o-lines, run game, and defense in the league but still willed his team a chance to get in the playoffs
Gotta stop using that word. You can’t be elite and miss the playoffs. Imagine if Pat Mahomes missed the playoffs in this way that the bengals did. Y’all would have a field day.
Seems like he's right on track for what I expected. Superbowl in second year, AFC Championship game third year and then never get back. Just like Dan Marino.
Yep Marino & Offense was always great and Dolphins NEVER gave him a Defense good enough to get to SB just like Burrow Marino lost a lot of games he scored 30 points
Other fan bases can say whatever they want I don’t care. As a bengals fan who watches every snap, what Joe burrow did this season was unbelievable. Line graded out 29th in pass blocking 30 in run blocking. Cappa finished the season with first in sacks allowed , first in pressures allowed and first in hurries allowed, and he was guard who didn’t get benched for playing so bad. Higgins missed basically 6 games. He played a little in the Steelers game. Chase brown was hurt for most of last season so he was essentially a rookie. He had all that and all year long people had them in the conversation as best offense in the league. Burrow is elite period.
Nick claims he’s the Josh Allen and Bills guy this year. But if he has a chance to tear Josh down he will. He will get on 2 knees to prop up Mahomes and the Chiefs which is fine. I just find him to be pretty hypocritical at times.
His position is very simple. 2 years ago when everyone was saying Josh was the second best QB, he believed it was Burrow. Now that he's been since presented with new information, it is harder for him to make that case. Someone saying Burrow isn't #2 is no longer an untenable position in his eyes.
@@nYcbOyrameez why would he need to do that? When the man is already at the apex there is no “building up”. Mahomes is who these other guys look up to so beating Josh Allen would only mean he’s now done that for what, a third or fourth time in the playoffs? Nick is giving Josh more props because people always got on him for seemingly never giving much praise to em in the past (which was his homer reaction to some acting like Allen was better than Mahomes).
Yeah or just don’t turn the ball over late in games that allow teams to get back into the game. Or not going 3 and out in potential game winning drives. Joe has some blame even though everyone will point fingers at the defense.
The biggest fault of Joe Burrow (and the Bengals as an organization) is that they ALWAYS start slow. If you beat the Patriots week 1 you are a playoff team now because of the head-to-head over Denver. I'm the biggest JB simp there is, but you can't start 0-2, 0-3, or 1-2 every season. These slow starts every year are partly on Burrow but mostly on Zac Taylor who must surely be on the hotseat next season. If they have to play a half of football in week 3 of the pre-season to be ready for the regular season, then so be it. As Nick said the other week, you've got to be winning 12-14 games a season with this offense, but the Bengals being the Bengals they always make it difficult for themselves. The Steelers game shouldn't have been close, but they just couldn't put them to bed and allowed the corpse or Russell Wilson to hang around.
Did Burrow lead Chase to a triple crown or did Chase lead Burrow to a lot of his numbers? Burrow is top 3 in YAC %. Lots of that is Chase being amazing. So is Burrow, but the benefit each other HUGELY
Saying missing the playoffs helps him because he had great numbers is a bit strange...the game is about winning yes? TB12 is the GOAT because he won the most...not because he had the best stats all the time. The best thing Burrow has done is lose in the SB
Underachieving is 3 full seasons, 1 Sb app./ 2 Afc championships/ and leading qbs in all stats? Also only one to beat mahomes in playoffs since TB12? Yeah I’d agree boss
Not to mention not a single “elite” afc QB has made a Super Bowl other than Burrow and Mahomes. These other guys underachieve base on that narrative as they can’t beat Mahomes.
@@zayarguellothese people are not serious when they say joe burrow underachieved. In any possible metric that’s just not factual what so ever. If anyone underachieved it’s mahomes this season,but nick and his clown show fans don’t want to have that conversation.
And now Bengals fans won't stop yapping about how the Chiefs intentionally lost because they were afraid to play the Bengals in the playoffs... Imagine having such big egos over a 9-8 team & thinking a 3 x Super Bowl champ is afraid of YOU. That same SB champ who has also beaten you the last 3 times yall have played. But sure guys, the Chiefs are afraid of the Bungles 😂
@corey2232 Exactly, right!!! I'm a KC fan, and it feels like the Bengals are desperately trying to blame anyone but themselves for their failures. They lost their right to complain when they lost to the lowly Patriots in week #1. Go, Chiefs!!!
@StrongmanBrian 💯 ! And even with that loss, they had 16 more games to get their sh*t together, yet they act like only the last 5 games of the season meant something. I just don't see how anyone could claim the 3 x SB champions are "afraid" of a 9-8 Bengals team. The Bengals didn't beat a team with a winning record until week 17, but we're supposed to believe they threw a game to avoid the Bengals? The Bengals wouldn't have even made it to round 3 to play the Chiefs, as they'd first have to beat Buffalo, then beat Baltimore.
The crazy thing is people give Burrow more credit for that playoff run even though he only had 5TD and 2INT in 4 games and was average. However this regular season he has balled out and played top 2 football and it’s not his fault for not making the playoffs. So if anything casuals neeed to look at the context and stop using that Super Bowl appearance like he carried that team but at the same time don’t blame him for this year because he did his job and defense failed him
Great QBs lift there team he had chase and Higgins 2 top wide receivers and still couldn't make the playoffs so he gets credit for being great and losing
So when the team wins its all Burrow but when he loses its not his fault. No you are thenleader it is his fault they didnt make it. Mahomes went with a trash defense, lamar, and Brady did as well. No excuses
Who played poorly against the Pats week 1? Who threw a late game int that let Baltimore tie the game in the 4th? He played great but also has a hand in games they lost.
Yeah I be confused, Jalen Hurts been to a most recent Superbowl than Burrow! And the NFC is trash to me, but Hurts also been in the playoffs every year since he got in the league! But they don't evening put him in the top 5!
Joe Burrow is the new Matt Stafford. Slow out the gate, turnover on the first possession, get down by 14, pad your stats in the 2nd half. Matt Stafford is the 3rd leading passer of all time with a below .500 career record because he always played games down 14 against clock burning defenses that were on cruise control. Matt Stafford with Jim Caldwell as head coach went 9-7 two different seasons without beating a single team above .500 at the end of the year, just like Joe Burrow did this year.
Except Burrow isn't stat padding in the 2nd halves. Other than the Philly game every loss the Bengals had was a close game, your point doesn't make sense at all
@@jokingbird You can finish close when you were trailing by 14 points midway in the 3rd quarter. It doesn't mean the game was truly competitive as the opponent knew you would run out of time before you could score enough. Joe Burrow helps dig the holes he has to climb out of with interceptions and fumbles, just like Matt Stafford with red zone interceptions.
@@BigginsInAmerica except they trailed by 14+ points the total of 3 times during the whole season so like I said you said a stupid thing, it happens, take the L and move on 🤷🏻
Nick is right. In that competition Joe is, his case is "I beat those guys in the playoffs". Now saying "I can put the god numbers Lamar does" is meaningless if you take steps backwards by not making the playoffs. He didnt add to his case because the case was never about stats, for this season to be a plus to the case he has to back it up with more seasons like this. But not making the playoffs is worse that not having great stats, and a SB would make anyone on that list to jump in second in the "best QB" discussion. Is not that he has a lesser chance at the belt, he didnt make it to the fight.
Burrow only twice has had a defense who ranked above 20th in points against and both times he made the playoffs. Mahomes only had a defense ranked below 20th 1 singular time and that was his first year starting. Josh allen never had a defense ranked worse than 16th in points against in his career. Lamars worst defense was ranked 19th in points against and that was the year he got injured.
Joe Burrow is the Dan Marino of this era. I've said it to others and firmly believe it. Best of luck to him since I don't think he will ever win a SB. I could be wrong but I doubt it.
@@AmirA-CalBear4life winning the super bowl is hard. If Mahomes was a Bengal, I doubt he'd have a ring and might never win one. Everything needs to align.
How long is his contract? And would it be a bad look to leave in free agency (if not request a trade)?? I doubt pride would let him do that.. but it worked for Stafford..
given how similar joe burrows 2024 season is to justin herberts 2021 season, the difference in discourse surrounding the two is astounding. goes to show how easily the media will flip the script to fit their narrative.
people whining generically crying about "the media" and claiming "biased agendas and fitting their narrative" when literally all that's happening is people sitting around talking about SPORTS will never make sense to me... also "the media" isn't one entity, it's comprised of thousands of voices on hundreds of platforms with countless different opinions and people like YOU tend to be the ones who will flip a script and selectively nitpick only the small parts that don't fit _your_ narrative every day, it's wah the media this, wah the media that, i heard something on TV i don't like so that means everything is biased against me, lol like wow people get a grip, IT'S SPORTS
Yea the media will push any narrative they want bc it’s a qb they like. Herbert balled the f out in 21’ with a worse HC, OC, weapons, o line and it was only his sophomore season and put up more yards and nearly the same amount of tds as Burrow did in year 5 of his career and these pundits are saying Burrow had an mvp season, his defense failed him, the organization failed him etc etc etc and for Herbert it was he’s not a winner, can’t close games, empty stats blah blah blah. Herbert has been sensational this year throwing to a rookie and a bunch of nobodies but these fools will never give him his respect. Idc what anyone says, Herbert is a top 3 QB and is definitely better than Burrow. It’s just facts.
Burrow has just simply been the media’s guy since that year at LSU. People STILL try to tell us that Burrow would’ve won ROTY if he didn’t get hurt even though Herbert had been significantly better. Joe is the media’s guy. Nick is the only one being realistic about him, and it’s only because of his Chiefs fandom. But I’ll take it
@@JoeD-gy7cx I disagree fully, but the point I’m making is that Burrow has the media support. Always had. Even when it was CLEARLY not deserved, like in those ROTY discussions. That’s why I brought it up.
Jump Ball Joe Burrow usually looks good when he has his Avengers WRs by his side. Meanwhile Mahomes won the Super Bowl *after* they traded away his only #1 WR.
@mauricerhodes1756 He had 652 attempts. Nobody else even got over 600. Lamar and Allen had under 500. His Yards per attempt were lower than the other top QBs. All this to say that you can't just point at total yards like it means something. Is defense was terrible so he has to throw like crazy. That isn't on him sure. But you can't just line up stats and say he was better.
The amount of gymnastics commentators do to continue to give Joe Burrow praise, needs to be studied. What dirt does Burrow have on sports media as a whole?!
If Mahomes can get to an overtime in the conference finals against Brady w/ the 31st ranked defense in 2018, I feel like Burrow should at least be able to get his team to the playoffs.
Here's the thing, folks. These media folks have been trying their darnest to crown Burrow the next Brady since he came in the league. They never expected Mahomes to be that dude. They keep making excuses for Burrow every chance they get. Could you imagine if Burrow wins a Super Bowl? Oh my gosh! They would crown him the greatest of all time
The only reason Burrow is even relevant is because he is the only QB other than Brady to beat Mahomes in a game that matters. If it had not been for Mahomes playing the worst half game of football in his postseason career, Burrow would not be anything but a blip on the stats radar.
I told everyone before the season starts, Burrow and the Bengals probably not gonna make the playoffs let along win the Division! The only two years he did was because Lamar got hurt both years!
I know this wasnt intentional by nick and was used to bump burrow from 2 to 3 in that 10 games graphic but the year lamar "missed the playoffs" he was literally 8-4 and the two seed in the afc after he played his last game and they went 0-5 without him
People talk about his defense in these shootouts, well what about lamars defense? Or jayden daniels? Late in games its Burrow that makes the fatal mistakes - not lamar, not these other quarterbacks. Its burrow.
SO game one ravens vs bengals... lamar had the chance to win the game and fumbled the ball. Burrow than sets his team up for the game winning field goal which is then missed. thats joes fault?
@@pooty5495yes because he threw the pick in the 4th quarter with 2 minutes to go. If he doesn’t do that they win the game. Don’t conveniently leave that out.
the ravens defense was bad for like 6 games this season and then has been great since and dummies keep wanting to compare them to the bengals defense lmao.. it's funny how little ball yall actually watch but wanna throw your 2 cents in
This season didn’t show us anything about the Bengals that we already didn’t know. Joe Burrow is a top 3 QB, Ja’Marr Chase is a top 2 WR, the Bengals offense will always be great. The slow starts finally came back to bite them. They always started slow and did really well, but it didn’t work this time. I’m no mathematician but starting 2-0 seems better than starting 0-2. That’s just me though.
@@Hova25 and the ravens d finished top 10 while the bengals finished 25th. They also have a rb god. Thinking this lost season is on burrow is absurd, but I imagine the baltimore education system isn't big on critical thinking and reasoning so this is what you get
As long as Burrow plays for the Bengals he won't win squat. He will win as many super bowls as Carson Palmer, Boomer Esiason, Ken Walker combined, meaning zero. Like playing for the Jets but without living in NYC.
They admit the organization is failing burrow. How about the chargers failing Herbert for a handful of years? Don’t hear his name in the mix when we all know he’s worthy
And their records in the playoffs... Burrow 5-2 Tua 0-1 (he didn't have 2 appearances) Herbert 0-1 (this year is his second time to the playoffs) Hurts 2-3 Love 1-1 WHAT WAS YOUR POINT!?!?!?!
I seriously dont understand how people cant separate a qbs play from the teams outcomes. Like no Joe Burrow didnt play every game perfectly but the fact this team was even close to a winning record despite clear coaching issues as well as a miserable and mistake heavy defense. You cant win many games when youre literally playing a shootout every week. Yes the patriots loss and a couple others werent helped by burrow but how many games did Cinci lose when the bengals scored over 25 points. I bet its an unusually high number. You wanna onow why the chiefs have an amazing record? Because their defense routinely holds the opposition to incredibly low scores. Its easy to win when the other side of your team does their job. Not saying burrow needs a pass or even deserves one. But acting like hes been anything but a great quarterback is disingenuous. Theres also a reason i bring up the chiefs. Look at magomes numbers next to burrows then compare team record and honestly tell me there isnt something wrong with acting like burrows play has prevented them from getting more wins. He literally cant play defense or coach. Those are the difference makers
I think one thing inherently wrong with the Bengals is how little time they have the ball. They almost always lose the time of possession battle, and that wears out even a good defense quickly.
Exactly how Falcons lost SB to Patriots they scored all their points too fast 1:10, 0:57, 2:15 minute TD drives by the end of game their defense was gassed
I think Joe Borrow is great, but now the question is... Whats the difference between him and Herbert? Guady stats, eye popping talent, but not winning, and not making playoffs. Joe Borrow is still ahead, becuause of what he did early, but in just saying Burrow is now closer to the "Herbert" category than he is the "Lamar/Josh" category.
Burrow is the primary reason they were close to the playoffs. He is also part of why they missed it with the early season play. Both are true and it is fair to point that out.
There is only one Andy Reed to go around...Mahomes would NOT be discussed as a potential all time great without him/ many great quarterbacks have not had great head coaches.
@@mistersunshine1330 2020 and 2021 Herbert had a worse defense and OL with slightly worse stats and the same records all they say is "he's not a winner"
His numbers this year for me just reinforced that he's a top QB. He's also been to a Superbowl which Lamar and Allen can't say so I don't think missing the playoffs this year because he has by far the worst coaching and defense of the best QBs is something that hurts him
Stats don't matter if you can't win games. That's why mahomes has 3 rings and is working for a 4th and burrow is on the couch with none. Can't win when it matters Josh and Lamar are the same way they are great quarter backs but with 13 seconds and the game on the line there's only one qb I'd want on my side and that's Patrick mahomes
its true football is so hard to judge. browning was 4-3 last year with 270 yards per game. burrow was 5-5, 230 yards per game. it would be interesting to see josh allen or patrick mahomes with chase and higgens
Nearly 5000 yards with one of the WORST offensive lines in the league and one of the WORST defenses in the league. Nick thinks that offensive football is only played with a QB and their receivers.
Exactly,these guys know nothing about football...the biggest factors in the QB w/l record is defense,online coaching that's all weaknesses for the Bengals
They give him a new oline every year 😂 5 different lines now??? When does he lose the oline as an excuse and it becomes his fault? I wouldn't want to play oline for him, they are the scape goat to make Burrow seem better despite him having more weapons than anyone else.
Joe Burrow is a good QB. I do like to watch him play but the Bengals have too many trash talkers. "We the big dawgs of the AFC, " "We're built to beat KC, " "Burrowhead. " Their whole focus all offseason was to beat one team. And they failed.
The "times missed the playoffs" stats is so ridiculous. Burrow went 1st overall and went to the worst team, mean while Allen, Lamar and Mahomes were drafted 7th , 32nd and 10th. What a surprise, qbs drafted to better teams make the playoffs more often early in their careers…
The Ravens were not good when LJ got there & their draft positions tell you what the league thought of them…Lamar wasn’t even the Ravens 1st, 1st round pick that year 😂
@@RrRookiEeE Not Bengal's fan but you sound like a hater. He had one of the best seasons ever yes he has great receivers but no defense or running game really. Stop hating bro lol
I agree with Nick. The bengals conversations is annoying this year. The bengals all year were one of the “scariest” teams in the NFL until it’s time to actually play the games.
I hate how people completely disregard the coaching and ownership disadvantage Burrow is at every year. There has never been a single big game where I felt Cincinnati had the better coach.
Mahomes threw for 3928 Yards 26 TD and 11INT this year, and Aaron Rodgers threw for 3897 28TD and 11INT. The same critics on this panel say Rodgers is a terrible QB this year and is washed while holding Mahomes as "The best QB". Look at those stats and tell me how both can be true at the same time. Meanwhile Burrow 4918 Yrds 43TD 9INT and is "A tier below Mahomes". Nick Wright is a clown
Does burrow have an MVP? NOPE…. Does burrow have a 15-3 playoffs record ? NOPE…. He just has one of the best wr duos of all time and misses the playoffs 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 cope
Burrow's rep is based on two things. His college career encompassed: undefeated season loaded with future NFL superstars, winning the Heisman, & being the #1 pick, AND the second is getting lucky to beat Mahomes in the AFCCG his second year in the league. In fact, let's review. Mahomes literally could have played in every single SB since he became a starter if not for TWO things. The offsides penalty in OT vs the Patriots, and the tipped pass vs the Bengals. Those saying that Burrow almost beat Mahomes in the 2nd AFCCG matchup are in denial. KC was all over Burrow in that game and Mahomes. He was literally under duress the entire game.
It seems people minimize Burrow by highlighting him beating Mahomes. Taking a franchise that had the number 1 overall pick the year before and the 4th overall pick that yr to the super bowl in your 2nd overall season and back to back Afc championship games is wild. An Joe just completed his 4th season in the league. The dude is just getting started smh
Yes, he was good those years. But the defense was very good and was the reason they went far in the playoffs, not Burrow. Bengals also drafted, at worst, the 2nd best WR in the league. They also have the best WR2 in the league. You’d have a point if he brought THIS Bengals team far in the postseason given how bad the defense is. But they were a very good and well rounded team before. He had a 3:2 TD to TO ratio and went to the Super Bowl
they used that 4th overall pick which was actually the 6th and drafted a wr that has been top 3 since he entered the league. mahomes defense in 2018 and 2019 was worse then the bengals defense this yr and mahomes made the afc champ and the sb the next yr
The Chiefs had to trade away Tyreek Hill to build their defense. Maybe the Bengals will do the same with Jam'arr Chase. The question remains: Can Burrow be successful without one of the best receivers in the league?
@@frequentfrenzied No he can't. We have already seen what that looks like. People often over look just how amazing his weapons have been. Look at his LSU year where he set the records. Gets drafted by Cincy and has an okay year with Boyd, Higgens, Green. The following year they get Chase.
All of what theyre saying about burrow it has been the opposite for herbert. Burrow gets a pass because a wrist and calf but herbert plays thru broken rib cartilage and theres no pass there. Herbert playing with a cartoon sized middle finger but he gets no pass. Freaking ridiculous these guys. Herbert is part of the 5k club but hes not in that tier of qbs because he hasnt won a playoff game. Where you guys putting herbert after saturday if he wins? "He OnLy BeAt ThE TeXAns" how far will the posts move if herbert gets his win? Nick and crew will find a way to keep herbert out of that tier. "He needed harbaugh" like mahomes hasnt had reid his whole career. The goal posts will shift in favor of their favorites. Clowns.
Burrow has had offensive weapons since day one, he has also the same system since he joined. Herbert has had 5 OC's, 4 QB coaches, and 2 of the most incompetent head coaches not named Pierce, Mayo, Lovie, or Hue Jackson.
Tbh his case was always a Drew Brees case and as long as he's in Cinci he'll have a Brees like career. I always saw him in the Brees-Marino archetype. He'll put up the numbers but he plays for an organization that won't ever put it all together on a consistent basis.
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Burrow has a losing regular season record has all these great players and still can't lift his team enough to make the playoffs Josh Allen has no name guys won his division is the number 2 seed and had 13 wins with nobody players burrows so great why couldn't he carry his team to the playoffs
Tom Brady only missed the playoffs once.
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TLDR book here...
But I'd imagine even Joe would trade Tee Higgins for solid line play and a consistent MID tier D.
Burrow can absolutely elevate avg receivers/players if he has more than 1.9 seconds to go thru his reads like Patty, Josh or Lamaar do regularly, or have a hammer run game to keep the blitzes and covgs honest. He still obviously eats so fn many sacks trying to extend..its literally all on film.
So then everyone thinks that that Patty, Lamaar or Josh could DEFINITELY have had better results with the team Joes had around him since 2020, and he has no reason to be considered under the same metrics?? I'd wager none of those guys could have even sniffed a SB with what Joe had. And all this about "..WELL HES GOT 2 ELITE RECEIVERS SO HES A SCRUB FOR NOT MAKING THE POs EVERY YEAR OR WINNING A RING YET!! 🤪" is laughable. Tee is healthy 65 to 70% of the time (not a knock...just facts, it's the NFL.) and was almost entirely out their 2nd AFC run in 22'..so what did he have to do? Make Trenton Irwin and practice squad TEs look better than what they were..and that's exactly what he did. So this year did nothing to elevate or diminish his "standing"..it just made the front office finally realize they better take some significantly more drastic measures to improve the O line and D before he breaks for good..or plays out his deal and goes and gets a ring somewhere else for his last contract.
Dude is no less than top 3 QB...wide receivers don't block, play D, or make coaching decisions. And they sure don't seemingly work against league leading efforts like his organization has. No he's not flawless or an all time great yet like Patty..but saying he still isn't in the convo for the 2 or 3 spot in play ranking because of this less than desired season is absurd...even Brou knows that. ☝️
Anything else is just a slanted take bc someone doesn't like Burrow..totally cool to simply not like a guy, just don't cap and say it's bc the dude isn't as good as this guy or that guy.
I don't ever make bets, but I think things changed this year..and he'll have his ring before the end of his current deal. All just one guys opinion of course, heard a bunch of 'hot' takes so had to drop one myself, stay blessed. 💯🎉
Burrow had a great year and next year we will see them 0-2 again
0:10 The bengals had the leading Passer, leading sack man and Ja’Marr won the triple crown as a receiver and missed the playoffs. What a wasted year.
exactly
blame coaching and that horrid defense
Joe burrow does neither of those, he did what he could in his power
1st time in the history of the Superbowl era that a team has had all 3 and missed the playoffs smh that’s crazy 🤪
@@swervoo_7953 so he got nothing to do with those slow starts seemingly every year?
Idk how a team even pulls this off 😣😣 Bengals are truly a special case
JOE GETS MORE CREDIT FOR BEATING MAHOMES THAN STAFFORD WINNING THE SB 😂
@@shutupsuffer how are the two correlated at all? Stafford is clearly past his prime so he isn’t mentioned when discussing the top 5 QBs in the league. When comparing Mahomes vs lamar vs Allen vs burrow it’s a relevant talking point to note that burrow has done what the other two have not been able to.
Burrow has not beaten mahomes in the last two years so no, it's not Relevant@@Lidabozz
Literally 😂😂😂
Great take
@JustusBuckels-zt6kt has anyone else beaten Mahomes since JB9? It is still relevant for that exact reason
If Lamar went 9-8 he would never hear the end of it
Exactly! And the same would apply to Mahomes and Allen. Why does Burrow get a free pass?!?
He is pretty much 2 missed kicks by McPherson from going about that 🤷🏻
@@jokingbird We are not talking hypotheticals here.
@@StrongmanBrian because he's on the Bengals. They hired a QB coach as their head coach. They have 5 scouts (most teams have 20).
Winning for a franchise that's not even trying to win is impressive. It matters.
@@dreddmann6532 uhm, the op is literally doing that? 😂
Joe burrow no longer gets to live off making the superbowl 4 years ago.
What about the afc championship 2 years ago
@@jasonhuynh8561 Do you mean 3 years ago? The AGCCG 2 years ago, was the one KC won. The year they won and went to the super bowl was 3 years ago.
Pfhhhh. So what. @@jasonhuynh8561
@@jasonhuynh8561no rings
@@jasonhuynh8561 Purdy did that two years in a row, no one cares
nick “quarterback wins aren’t a stat unless it fits my narrative” wright
Yes the narrative is, is the qb the best player on the team.... not that complicated if you believe in nuance.
@ what are you talking about?
This. Dude is known for changing his tune in anyway if he feels a player that's not Mahomes gets too much love.
That’s why Nick will always be a 🤡, a funny 🤡 albeit but a 🤡 nonetheless
@@Bruno2777you are a clown baby boy. QB wins aren’t a stats unless the QB is causing the winning. Jimmy G didn’t. Easy as that
Justin Herbert had more passing yards in his second season and barely missed the playoffs and no one said MVP. Give me a break guys!
27-0
Yah, and the only reason why Herbert is not in the first 0:08 slide for 2021 is because Tom Brady held the spot. Justin was 2nd in the league. But you put Joe in 2021 with his 2024 numbers and he does not pass Brady. Burrow never passed Brady in total yards. Tough to compete against the GOAT. Its a very cherry picked stat to use to defend Burrow.
@ Brady ain’t the goat. He cheated
They hypercrits Burrow threw ball almost 700 times😂😂😂overrated
@@breonmitchell2443Lamar trash
The Fox members not mentioned in the lawsuit 😎
I'm glad somebody said it. FTF folks are decent humans
Honestly so happy about it. This is a daily part of my life. I do believe most of the misconduct took place in Los Angeles and this show is in New York.
Clapping for Joy
@ 😂😂😂
Not mentioned because they don’t work with Joy who has been busy spreading Joy at FS1.
Regardless they’re all married and have kids so. They’re good dudes.
Burrow beat the Panthers, Giants, Browns, Raiders, Titans, Cowboys, Browns ( again ), Broncos, and Steelers. Until two weeks ago, they hadn't beat a team with a winning record. The Cowboys are the 3rd best team they beat.
You mean the Bengals hadn’t. Football still isn’t a QB only competition as much as casuals want to turn it into one
so what's your point. nobody else in the afc playoffs going to beat kc. lmao. the chargers. the texans. the steelers. oh the 2-4 lamar jackson ravens. bo nix going to do it when he he failed to reach the national title right. oh it will be buffalo for the 4th time right.
I know who won’t be there… 😂😂😂
@@lorenzotheman1Could be the only team that's given chiefs a real run for their money is the bills. So honestly I'd bet on them. The biggest issue I see with the Bengals these past few years isn't that Joe burrow can't get stuff done. It's the organization as a whole that's the issue. A team run by committee slows down everything because everyone wants a say with how the moneys spent. And currently not much is getting done that needs to get done. The bengals would be better off being sold to a single owner who can make changes on the fly as the season progress. The bengals barley made a dent in replacing all their defensive issues along with even making sure to try and keep Higgins on this team period or chase really. They seem to not wanna pay players or seem to find it hard to come to agreements might as well be the jets at this point.
@@lorenzotheman1 well what’s your point? Because the Bengals weren’t gonna beat the Chiefs either
Cincy is a good team (I'm a Chiefs fan). But these slow starts to each season is killing them. That's on Zac Taylor. It's 100% coaching. He needs to reevaluate his processes or quit.
Facts like you making millions and you can’t make sure to get ya team READY for the season..
As a Bills fan I agree 100%! Every year it seems like they are out to lunch in September. But hey it works for me!! 😅
Bo Bills!!!
You right lol
Glad Cinci is sitting.
Are you really a good team though if you miss the playoffs back to back years when you’re projected to be SB contenders?
If the Bengals want to be in the playoffs maybe they should start playing football in September instead of December. Only the Chiefs can start in December. Bengals are not the Chiefs.
The only Bengals wins before December were the Panthers, Giants, Browns, and Raiders.
Great job captain Easy-Take
@@TheSheemedIt got handled when it got handled.
They started slow when they went deep into the playoffs lol what kind of take is this
Probably the last year even KC can get away w it now that they seem to be losing their trash division advantage.
the Bengals have to learn how to be prepared better for the first half of the schedule like they seem to be for the second half.
They didn't play anyone the last 6 weeks lol. It's easy to be prepared when you don't play good teams.
Yep. The early games count just as much.
Comes down to coaching. Preparation is mostly on the staff around the players
The 0-2 or 0-3 starts just have to stop. That’s why Cincy isn’t in the playoffs because they don’t play the first half of the season that prepared. Missing the playoffs sucks but Burrow proved that if he is healthy the entire season he is one of the elite QB’s in the league. He also had one of the worst o-lines, run game, and defense in the league but still willed his team a chance to get in the playoffs
Ravens, who won the north also started 0-2.
Gotta stop using that word. You can’t be elite and miss the playoffs. Imagine if Pat Mahomes missed the playoffs in this way that the bengals did. Y’all would have a field day.
Nick led the charge on anointing Burrow as a top guy based on his playoff wins, especially against the Chiefs. WTF is he even talking about?
Color blind
He’s tearing him down now because he had a better season than Mahomes individually
Seems like he's right on track for what I expected. Superbowl in second year, AFC Championship game third year and then never get back. Just like Dan Marino.
That contract is a factor.
Yep Marino & Offense was always great and Dolphins NEVER gave him a Defense good enough to get to SB just like Burrow Marino lost a lot of games he scored 30 points
Dan Marino was an actual elite QB
Burrow is mediocre
MVP means value not stats, if you don’t make the playoffs your value goes down.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Other fan bases can say whatever they want I don’t care. As a bengals fan who watches every snap, what Joe burrow did this season was unbelievable. Line graded out 29th in pass blocking 30 in run blocking. Cappa finished the season with first in sacks allowed , first in pressures allowed and first in hurries allowed, and he was guard who didn’t get benched for playing so bad. Higgins missed basically 6 games. He played a little in the Steelers game. Chase brown was hurt for most of last season so he was essentially a rookie. He had all that and all year long people had them in the conversation as best offense in the league. Burrow is elite period.
3 out of 5 yrs missing the playoffs. Come off it mate
Garbage time stats 😂 stat padding.
@@freetheworld2671Idiotic comment. Most of our games were close games.
@@seanmunninghoff3496 elite is NOT losing to the PATS
wasted season
Nick's position on Joe Burrow is a bit fuzzy. Now it sounds like he's the Josh Allen guy.
Nick is only building up Josh Allen so if KC beats them then he will use it to elevate Mahomes
Nick claims he’s the Josh Allen and Bills guy this year. But if he has a chance to tear Josh down he will. He will get on 2 knees to prop up Mahomes and the Chiefs which is fine. I just find him to be pretty hypocritical at times.
@@nYcbOyrameez Exactly
His position is very simple. 2 years ago when everyone was saying Josh was the second best QB, he believed it was Burrow. Now that he's been since presented with new information, it is harder for him to make that case. Someone saying Burrow isn't #2 is no longer an untenable position in his eyes.
@@nYcbOyrameez why would he need to do that? When the man is already at the apex there is no “building up”. Mahomes is who these other guys look up to so beating Josh Allen would only mean he’s now done that for what, a third or fourth time in the playoffs? Nick is giving Josh more props because people always got on him for seemingly never giving much praise to em in the past (which was his homer reaction to some acting like Allen was better than Mahomes).
He threw 45 TDs and nearly 5k yards that's a great season. Not his felt they been letting too many good players leave on that defense.
Yeah, the kids trolling are just bashing to bash cause they're lamar, allen, or mahomes fans
Yeah or just don’t turn the ball over late in games that allow teams to get back into the game. Or not going 3 and out in potential game winning drives.
Joe has some blame even though everyone will point fingers at the defense.
Felt....???
They didn’t let them leave kiddo, bengals have to pay the players that make your boy those stats. Can’t wait to see him without the monstars
Ravens defense was 29th in the league until week 11 & still had a winning record
The biggest fault of Joe Burrow (and the Bengals as an organization) is that they ALWAYS start slow. If you beat the Patriots week 1 you are a playoff team now because of the head-to-head over Denver. I'm the biggest JB simp there is, but you can't start 0-2, 0-3, or 1-2 every season. These slow starts every year are partly on Burrow but mostly on Zac Taylor who must surely be on the hotseat next season. If they have to play a half of football in week 3 of the pre-season to be ready for the regular season, then so be it. As Nick said the other week, you've got to be winning 12-14 games a season with this offense, but the Bengals being the Bengals they always make it difficult for themselves. The Steelers game shouldn't have been close, but they just couldn't put them to bed and allowed the corpse or Russell Wilson to hang around.
Burrow leads league in EVERYTHING! Took his #1 to a triple crown in a contract year! This dude is amazing!
Did Burrow lead Chase to a triple crown or did Chase lead Burrow to a lot of his numbers? Burrow is top 3 in YAC %. Lots of that is Chase being amazing. So is Burrow, but the benefit each other HUGELY
Mahomes is 89-23 since he started his career and Burrow is 38-30-1. Your argument is without merit.
Burrow had 100 more passing attempts then the next closest QB... that's 3 games worth! He better have those stats!😅
I’ll take Super Bowl wins over any stats any day of the week😂😂😂😂
Saying missing the playoffs helps him because he had great numbers is a bit strange...the game is about winning yes? TB12 is the GOAT because he won the most...not because he had the best stats all the time.
The best thing Burrow has done is lose in the SB
Even a qb who plays perfect can only influence 50% of the game for his team.
TB12 won the most and had the stats
@@NoGutsNoGlory-s7x wins isn't a qb stat
I been saying this for the longest, I’m glad somebody agrees. Burrow is getting praised for “losing pretty” smh
Tom Brady won MVP 5 times lol
Nobody gets more PASSES to underachieving than Burrow
Justin Herbert
Underachieving is 3 full seasons, 1 Sb app./ 2 Afc championships/ and leading qbs in all stats? Also only one to beat mahomes in playoffs since TB12? Yeah I’d agree boss
Not to mention not a single “elite” afc QB has made a Super Bowl other than Burrow and Mahomes. These other guys underachieve base on that narrative as they can’t beat Mahomes.
@@zayarguellothese people are not serious when they say joe burrow underachieved. In any possible metric that’s just not factual what so ever. If anyone underachieved it’s mahomes this season,but nick and his clown show fans don’t want to have that conversation.
@@playmate7638#1 seed. Do you expect Mahomes to have a great statistical year being down his WR1, WR2, RB the majority of the year?
And now Bengals fans won't stop yapping about how the Chiefs intentionally lost because they were afraid to play the Bengals in the playoffs...
Imagine having such big egos over a 9-8 team & thinking a 3 x Super Bowl champ is afraid of YOU.
That same SB champ who has also beaten you the last 3 times yall have played. But sure guys, the Chiefs are afraid of the Bungles 😂
@corey2232
Exactly, right!!! I'm a KC fan, and it feels like the Bengals are desperately trying to blame anyone but themselves for their failures. They lost their right to complain when they lost to the lowly Patriots in week #1. Go, Chiefs!!!
@StrongmanBrian 💯 ! And even with that loss, they had 16 more games to get their sh*t together, yet they act like only the last 5 games of the season meant something.
I just don't see how anyone could claim the 3 x SB champions are "afraid" of a 9-8 Bengals team. The Bengals didn't beat a team with a winning record until week 17, but we're supposed to believe they threw a game to avoid the Bengals?
The Bengals wouldn't have even made it to round 3 to play the Chiefs, as they'd first have to beat Buffalo, then beat Baltimore.
The crazy thing is people give Burrow more credit for that playoff run even though he only had 5TD and 2INT in 4 games and was average. However this regular season he has balled out and played top 2 football and it’s not his fault for not making the playoffs. So if anything casuals neeed to look at the context and stop using that Super Bowl appearance like he carried that team but at the same time don’t blame him for this year because he did his job and defense failed him
Great QBs lift there team he had chase and Higgins 2 top wide receivers and still couldn't make the playoffs so he gets credit for being great and losing
So when the team wins its all Burrow but when he loses its not his fault. No you are thenleader it is his fault they didnt make it. Mahomes went with a trash defense, lamar, and Brady did as well. No excuses
I wanna see what he looks like like without two 1️⃣ receivers. Pat Allen or Lamar don’t even have 1
This is a long winded way of saying “when they win it’s Joe and when they lose it’s someone else’s fault”
Who played poorly against the Pats week 1? Who threw a late game int that let Baltimore tie the game in the 4th? He played great but also has a hand in games they lost.
Never seen a qb live off one playoff run as if he won the SB. Joe Burrow is somehow untouchable
Exactly the take that someone who doesn’t like Burrow would have. Quit being a hater.
Start watching the games homie
Yeah I be confused, Jalen Hurts been to a most recent Superbowl than Burrow! And the NFC is trash to me, but Hurts also been in the playoffs every year since he got in the league! But they don't evening put him in the top 5!
Facts!
@ and Hurts played better in his Superbowl game than Burrow did but Burrow is perfect and untouchable!
Joe Burrow is the new Matt Stafford. Slow out the gate, turnover on the first possession, get down by 14, pad your stats in the 2nd half. Matt Stafford is the 3rd leading passer of all time with a below .500 career record because he always played games down 14 against clock burning defenses that were on cruise control. Matt Stafford with Jim Caldwell as head coach went 9-7 two different seasons without beating a single team above .500 at the end of the year, just like Joe Burrow did this year.
This right here about Stafford. I hated having arguments with people over him. He was the reason his team would be losing with all of his pick sixes.
Except Burrow isn't stat padding in the 2nd halves. Other than the Philly game every loss the Bengals had was a close game, your point doesn't make sense at all
@@jokingbird You can finish close when you were trailing by 14 points midway in the 3rd quarter. It doesn't mean the game was truly competitive as the opponent knew you would run out of time before you could score enough. Joe Burrow helps dig the holes he has to climb out of with interceptions and fumbles, just like Matt Stafford with red zone interceptions.
@@BigginsInAmerica except they trailed by 14+ points the total of 3 times during the whole season so like I said you said a stupid thing, it happens, take the L and move on 🤷🏻
Burrow lead the league in opening drive TDS so what you’re saying is invalid
Nick is right. In that competition Joe is, his case is "I beat those guys in the playoffs". Now saying "I can put the god numbers Lamar does" is meaningless if you take steps backwards by not making the playoffs. He didnt add to his case because the case was never about stats, for this season to be a plus to the case he has to back it up with more seasons like this. But not making the playoffs is worse that not having great stats, and a SB would make anyone on that list to jump in second in the "best QB" discussion.
Is not that he has a lesser chance at the belt, he didnt make it to the fight.
Playoffs have a lot more to do with your team lmao
Burrow only twice has had a defense who ranked above 20th in points against and both times he made the playoffs. Mahomes only had a defense ranked below 20th 1 singular time and that was his first year starting. Josh allen never had a defense ranked worse than 16th in points against in his career. Lamars worst defense was ranked 19th in points against and that was the year he got injured.
Joe Burrow is the Dan Marino of this era. I've said it to others and firmly believe it. Best of luck to him since I don't think he will ever win a SB. I could be wrong but I doubt it.
I respect Dan Marino
Well it's not all about rings imo so I still count a hall of fame career a la Marino to be pretty good
@@AmirA-CalBear4life winning the super bowl is hard. If Mahomes was a Bengal, I doubt he'd have a ring and might never win one.
Everything needs to align.
How long is his contract? And would it be a bad look to leave in free agency (if not request a trade)?? I doubt pride would let him do that.. but it worked for Stafford..
@@pahbertyou can play hypothetically all you want lmao 3 rings is 3 rings
given how similar joe burrows 2024 season is to justin herberts 2021 season, the difference in discourse surrounding the two is astounding. goes to show how easily the media will flip the script to fit their narrative.
people whining generically crying about "the media" and claiming "biased agendas and fitting their narrative" when literally all that's happening is people sitting around talking about SPORTS will never make sense to me... also "the media" isn't one entity, it's comprised of thousands of voices on hundreds of platforms with countless different opinions and people like YOU tend to be the ones who will flip a script and selectively nitpick only the small parts that don't fit _your_ narrative
every day, it's wah the media this, wah the media that, i heard something on TV i don't like so that means everything is biased against me, lol like wow people get a grip, IT'S SPORTS
Yea the media will push any narrative they want bc it’s a qb they like. Herbert balled the f out in 21’ with a worse HC, OC, weapons, o line and it was only his sophomore season and put up more yards and nearly the same amount of tds as Burrow did in year 5 of his career and these pundits are saying Burrow had an mvp season, his defense failed him, the organization failed him etc etc etc and for Herbert it was he’s not a winner, can’t close games, empty stats blah blah blah. Herbert has been sensational this year throwing to a rookie and a bunch of nobodies but these fools will never give him his respect. Idc what anyone says, Herbert is a top 3 QB and is definitely better than Burrow. It’s just facts.
Burrow has just simply been the media’s guy since that year at LSU. People STILL try to tell us that Burrow would’ve won ROTY if he didn’t get hurt even though Herbert had been significantly better. Joe is the media’s guy. Nick is the only one being realistic about him, and it’s only because of his Chiefs fandom. But I’ll take it
@@Sproles11I don’t understand the comparison between Hebert & Burrow. Burrow is head and shoulders above Herbert imo
@@JoeD-gy7cx I disagree fully, but the point I’m making is that Burrow has the media support. Always had. Even when it was CLEARLY not deserved, like in those ROTY discussions. That’s why I brought it up.
Zack Taylor needs to go and they need to draft players on defense
Jump Ball Joe Burrow usually looks good when he has his Avengers WRs by his side. Meanwhile Mahomes won the Super Bowl *after* they traded away his only #1 WR.
Not true lol- bro jamaar chase was hurt for 4 games during superbowl run and still demolished people-
QB stats are misleading. Burrow has had to throw like crazy. Allen has sat so much. You can't compare QB stats.
he had a running game though- it wasn't some solo act
@mauricerhodes1756 He had 652 attempts. Nobody else even got over 600. Lamar and Allen had under 500. His Yards per attempt were lower than the other top QBs. All this to say that you can't just point at total yards like it means something. Is defense was terrible so he has to throw like crazy. That isn't on him sure. But you can't just line up stats and say he was better.
1/5 th of burrows yards and TDs came in garbage time. They were behind in every single game in the 4th quarter.
The amount of gymnastics commentators do to continue to give Joe Burrow praise, needs to be studied. What dirt does Burrow have on sports media as a whole?!
If Mahomes can get to an overtime in the conference finals against Brady w/ the 31st ranked defense in 2018, I feel like Burrow should at least be able to get his team to the playoffs.
Imagine if Colin Kapernick got this much grace for losing a Super Bowl
Justin Herbert > joe burrow
Mangini is the best thing they have. All the rest usually say trivial things.
yeah when mangini says something it feels real and true. the rest of them will say anything.
Here's the thing, folks. These media folks have been trying their darnest to crown Burrow the next Brady since he came in the league. They never expected Mahomes to be that dude. They keep making excuses for Burrow every chance they get.
Could you imagine if Burrow wins a Super Bowl? Oh my gosh! They would crown him the greatest of all time
The only reason Burrow is even relevant is because he is the only QB other than Brady to beat Mahomes in a game that matters. If it had not been for Mahomes playing the worst half game of football in his postseason career, Burrow would not be anything but a blip on the stats radar.
Yes! They don't give the Cincy defense credit for that but give them blame for this bad season
You smoking that good 😂
Patrick plays against the other eleven players by himself also/ next he will be his own HC and GM...quit slobbering
Mangini is a great addition every time he shows up. Keep him
I told everyone before the season starts, Burrow and the Bengals probably not gonna make the playoffs let along win the Division! The only two years he did was because Lamar got hurt both years!
Tf lamar got to do with anything? He ain't stopping anybody in the playoffs. He's a choke artist
Yet Burrow can't beat Lamar. Lamar made the playoffs @@RandomEmail-v2j
@@RandomEmail-v2jgood thing the comment was about the regular season and simply making the playoffs.
@@RandomEmail-v2jwelp we don’t know how burrows gonna do in the playoffs bc he won’t be there lol
@@Sproles11 actually it was about attributing burrow making the playoffs somehow because lamar got hurt. While is asinine
I know this wasnt intentional by nick and was used to bump burrow from 2 to 3 in that 10 games graphic but the year lamar "missed the playoffs" he was literally 8-4 and the two seed in the afc after he played his last game and they went 0-5 without him
Brou giving Joe a pass for playing poorly last season now is weird because he was killing Joe for it last year.
Joe Burrow is a great quarterback. Right up there with the other greats in the NFL currently.
People talk about his defense in these shootouts, well what about lamars defense? Or jayden daniels? Late in games its Burrow that makes the fatal mistakes - not lamar, not these other quarterbacks. Its burrow.
SO game one ravens vs bengals... lamar had the chance to win the game and fumbled the ball. Burrow than sets his team up for the game winning field goal which is then missed. thats joes fault?
@@pooty5495yes because he threw the pick in the 4th quarter with 2 minutes to go. If he doesn’t do that they win the game. Don’t conveniently leave that out.
the ravens defense was bad for like 6 games this season and then has been great since and dummies keep wanting to compare them to the bengals defense lmao.. it's funny how little ball yall actually watch but wanna throw your 2 cents in
Scored 10 points vs Patriots
Just imagine if he had an offensive line and he didn’t have to outscore his own defense.
Just imagine if he didn’t have the best receiving corps in football
Just imagine if he wasn’t running for his life.
Bro I would argue joe has a better o-line pat but you wouldn’t want to have that convo
Lamar had to do the same and still made the playoffs
This season didn’t show us anything about the Bengals that we already didn’t know. Joe Burrow is a top 3 QB, Ja’Marr Chase is a top 2 WR, the Bengals offense will always be great. The slow starts finally came back to bite them. They always started slow and did really well, but it didn’t work this time. I’m no mathematician but starting 2-0 seems better than starting 0-2. That’s just me though.
I’m gladly taking mahomes, Lamar, and burrow over Mr glass. Chase is the best or tied with JJ
They wasn't the only team to start 0-2! The Ravens also started 0-2, and their defense was also trash trash in the first 10-11 games
@@Hova25 and the ravens d finished top 10 while the bengals finished 25th.
They also have a rb god.
Thinking this lost season is on burrow is absurd, but I imagine the baltimore education system isn't big on critical thinking and reasoning so this is what you get
@@RandomEmail-v2j you bungles fangirls are gonna be crying all off-season about this😂😂😂
As long as Burrow plays for the Bengals he won't win squat. He will win as many super bowls as Carson Palmer, Boomer Esiason, Ken Walker combined, meaning zero. Like playing for the Jets but without living in NYC.
Ken Anderson
@@stephenhill4353 Don't know where the Walker came from. Thanks.
They admit the organization is failing burrow. How about the chargers failing Herbert for a handful of years? Don’t hear his name in the mix when we all know he’s worthy
Nick killed this one. The beaglas glazing was wild for the last month
Joe Burrow is a great QB. 70% Completions. 4900 yards. 43 TD. The Bengals Defense needs some work, to put it nicely.
Any other top 5 QB in his prime miss the playoffs it’s a failure. They make excuses for Burrow every time
Nick spoke absolutely nothing but facts here
5 years in
Burrow 2 playoff appearances
Tua 2 playoff appearances
Herbert 2 playoff appearances
Hurts 3 playoff appearances
Love 2 playoff appearances
You’re gonna include one and dones to deep playoff runs? Stupid comment
And their records in the playoffs...
Burrow 5-2
Tua 0-1 (he didn't have 2 appearances)
Herbert 0-1 (this year is his second time to the playoffs)
Hurts 2-3
Love 1-1
WHAT WAS YOUR POINT!?!?!?!
Now count the wins lol tf is this
@@cc-92 The whole segment was on MAKING the playoffs.
How about playoff records?
I seriously dont understand how people cant separate a qbs play from the teams outcomes. Like no Joe Burrow didnt play every game perfectly but the fact this team was even close to a winning record despite clear coaching issues as well as a miserable and mistake heavy defense. You cant win many games when youre literally playing a shootout every week. Yes the patriots loss and a couple others werent helped by burrow but how many games did Cinci lose when the bengals scored over 25 points. I bet its an unusually high number. You wanna onow why the chiefs have an amazing record? Because their defense routinely holds the opposition to incredibly low scores. Its easy to win when the other side of your team does their job. Not saying burrow needs a pass or even deserves one. But acting like hes been anything but a great quarterback is disingenuous. Theres also a reason i bring up the chiefs. Look at magomes numbers next to burrows then compare team record and honestly tell me there isnt something wrong with acting like burrows play has prevented them from getting more wins. He literally cant play defense or coach. Those are the difference makers
It’s amazing how Nick thinks he knows more about how good a QB is than NFL players do. I’m shocked teams aren’t breaking down his door to be their GM.
Wow Nick was completely right on this one. The discourse around the Bengals has been absolutely insane this year
Comment section really bringing back preseason Burrow talking points dawg lmao
I think one thing inherently wrong with the Bengals is how little time they have the ball. They almost always lose the time of possession battle, and that wears out even a good defense quickly.
Exactly how Falcons lost SB to Patriots they scored all their points too fast 1:10, 0:57, 2:15 minute TD drives by the end of game their defense was gassed
Him and the bengals starting out slow AGAIN in the beginning of the regular season has caught up to them.
I think Joe Borrow is great, but now the question is... Whats the difference between him and Herbert?
Guady stats, eye popping talent, but not winning, and not making playoffs.
Joe Borrow is still ahead, becuause of what he did early, but in just saying Burrow is now closer to the "Herbert" category than he is the "Lamar/Josh" category.
Being a top 5 QB in the NFL and missing the playoffs as a healthy QB and playing all 17 games is unacceptable.
Because football isn't a team sport apparently?
Nahhhh Lamar and Joe was tied for the worst defense for 11 weeks and Lamar pulled it off
Mahomes has done with with injury, with no WRs, With a historically bad defense, and with an injured O line
@@lornegreen6755the ravens had the number 1 rush defense. Ravens had better defense
You understand nothing about football and that’s ok.
Nick is wrong. Joe Burrows rep was him being a minimal worker. Dude made the superbowl even though he got sacked a historic amount of times.
coach said the bengals lost to all play off teams then said they’d be dangerous in the play offs 😂😂
@@cdlyricalgenius they beat two playoff teams and played the others down to the wire (except the eagles).
People must not have watched the games lol
@@pahbert mostthe people in this comments section are casuals
Joe's efforts and achievements were Herculean this year. The Bengals are a 1 or 2 win team without him.
Burrow is the primary reason they were close to the playoffs. He is also part of why they missed it with the early season play. Both are true and it is fair to point that out.
There is only one Andy Reed to go around...Mahomes would NOT be discussed as a potential all time great without him/ many great quarterbacks have not had great head coaches.
How this help brou is crazy
Because he watched the games and you clearly did not.
@@mistersunshine1330 2020 and 2021 Herbert had a worse defense and OL with slightly worse stats and the same records all they say is "he's not a winner"
His shtick is making dumb contrarian takes to whatever Nick is gonna say
@@mat6522 I HAVE ALWAYS BLAMED STALEY. Don't put that on me. I know Herbert is a sleeping giant.
His numbers this year for me just reinforced that he's a top QB. He's also been to a Superbowl which Lamar and Allen can't say so I don't think missing the playoffs this year because he has by far the worst coaching and defense of the best QBs is something that hurts him
I don't get Nick's revisionist Bengals stance....wasn't he the first to cap for them after the writing was on the wall
nick is very rarely being genuine
@@valjohnson7112 Well he is dressed like the Riddler today so...
Stats don't matter if you can't win games. That's why mahomes has 3 rings and is working for a 4th and burrow is on the couch with none. Can't win when it matters Josh and Lamar are the same way they are great quarter backs but with 13 seconds and the game on the line there's only one qb I'd want on my side and that's Patrick mahomes
What is Burrow supposed to do ?! He has a TERRIBLE defense !
Jared Goff seems to do just fine with 15 defensive starters on IR.
Win games no excuses
If Mahomes missed playoffs and he had Burrow stats Nick Wright woulda said he is the goat
You don’t know what he’d say because it’s never happened
You don’t know what he’d say because it’s never happened
Mahomes has never missed though. I know who can’t say the same.
People forget how well Browning played. I think Burrow did a lot of good this year, but he does have two top WRs.
Tee was hurt most of the year while he was putting up these numbers
He has ALWYAS had top WR's. People just wan to ignore that fact.
@@byronsmith3152 look at his games without tee this year
@@johnnydiabetes6563 He wasn't that good in a couple of them, but he still did have Chase
its true football is so hard to judge. browning was 4-3 last year with 270 yards per game. burrow was 5-5, 230 yards per game. it would be interesting to see josh allen or patrick mahomes with chase and higgens
The Bengals and Joe Burrow are One Hit Wonders until further notice.
Nearly 5000 yards with one of the WORST offensive lines in the league and one of the WORST defenses in the league. Nick thinks that offensive football is only played with a QB and their receivers.
Exactly,these guys know nothing about football...the biggest factors in the QB w/l record is defense,online coaching that's all weaknesses for the Bengals
With the BEST WR combo i the league. Nice try though.
Well that's clearly what the Bengals GM thinks lol
They give him a new oline every year 😂 5 different lines now??? When does he lose the oline as an excuse and it becomes his fault? I wouldn't want to play oline for him, they are the scape goat to make Burrow seem better despite him having more weapons than anyone else.
And with 2 top7 receivers 1 top 3😂
Joe Burrow is a good QB. I do like to watch him play but the Bengals have too many trash talkers. "We the big dawgs of the AFC, " "We're built to beat KC, "
"Burrowhead. " Their whole focus all offseason was to beat one team. And they failed.
The "times missed the playoffs" stats is so ridiculous. Burrow went 1st overall and went to the worst team, mean while Allen, Lamar and Mahomes were drafted 7th , 32nd and 10th. What a surprise, qbs drafted to better teams make the playoffs more often early in their careers…
This is year 5 and he has missed the playoffs in back to back years.
Jayden Daniels was selected 2nd overall went to one of the worst teams, and has his team in the playoffs…
@ "let me find that one example"
The Ravens were not good when LJ got there & their draft positions tell you what the league thought of them…Lamar wasn’t even the Ravens 1st, 1st round pick that year 😂
He was hurt last year. @@byronsmith3152
Nick Wright better pray Maholmes never gets injured or loses in the playoffs because the world will never let him live that down
it ain’t even his fault his has HISTORICAL numbers
He has 8 turnovers in the 4th quarters of games
Pfhhhh. So what they are still losers
Doesn’t matter. Wins the only thing that matter right?
With historical WRs that carried him
@@RrRookiEeE Not Bengal's fan but you sound like a hater. He had one of the best seasons ever yes he has great receivers but no defense or running game really. Stop hating bro lol
I agree with Nick. The bengals conversations is annoying this year. The bengals all year were one of the “scariest” teams in the NFL until it’s time to actually play the games.
I hate how people completely disregard the coaching and ownership disadvantage Burrow is at every year. There has never been a single big game where I felt Cincinnati had the better coach.
EXACTLY!! This is the #1 reason.
It didn't hurt his reputation, it did hurt his legacy
they would've made the playoffs if they beat NE and you can't put that loss on the defense, that was all on Joe
bengals are immune to criticism for slow starts
The fact people like Nick wright get paid to talk about sports is insane
A lot of excuses … Bengals are mid
Pat Mahomes would have willed that Bungles team into the playoffs despite the bad defense. That's the difference between Borrow and 4 rings Pat.
Mahomes threw for 3928 Yards 26 TD and 11INT this year, and Aaron Rodgers threw for 3897 28TD and 11INT. The same critics on this panel say Rodgers is a terrible QB this year and is washed while holding Mahomes as "The best QB". Look at those stats and tell me how both can be true at the same time. Meanwhile Burrow 4918 Yrds 43TD 9INT and is "A tier below Mahomes". Nick Wright is a clown
It's almost like....stats and the game go deeper than that
Does burrow have an MVP? NOPE…. Does burrow have a 15-3 playoffs record ? NOPE…. He just has one of the best wr duos of all time and misses the playoffs 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 cope
gotta ignore a lot of context to make this comment...
burrow has done NOTHING. ever.
Mahomes lost some key weapons this year tho.
Bro you have to actually watch the games 😂
Burrow's rep is based on two things. His college career encompassed: undefeated season loaded with future NFL superstars, winning the Heisman, & being the #1 pick, AND the second is getting lucky to beat Mahomes in the AFCCG his second year in the league.
In fact, let's review. Mahomes literally could have played in every single SB since he became a starter if not for TWO things. The offsides penalty in OT vs the Patriots, and the tipped pass vs the Bengals. Those saying that Burrow almost beat Mahomes in the 2nd AFCCG matchup are in denial. KC was all over Burrow in that game and Mahomes. He was literally under duress the entire game.
We need some commentary on the FS1 lawsuit 😂
I like how people are clamoring for excuses when it comes to Joe Burrow.
It seems people minimize Burrow by highlighting him beating Mahomes. Taking a franchise that had the number 1 overall pick the year before and the 4th overall pick that yr to the super bowl in your 2nd overall season and back to back Afc championship games is wild. An Joe just completed his 4th season in the league. The dude is just getting started smh
Yes, he was good those years. But the defense was very good and was the reason they went far in the playoffs, not Burrow. Bengals also drafted, at worst, the 2nd best WR in the league. They also have the best WR2 in the league.
You’d have a point if he brought THIS Bengals team far in the postseason given how bad the defense is. But they were a very good and well rounded team before. He had a 3:2 TD to TO ratio and went to the Super Bowl
they used that 4th overall pick which was actually the 6th and drafted a wr that has been top 3 since he entered the league. mahomes defense in 2018 and 2019 was worse then the bengals defense this yr and mahomes made the afc champ and the sb the next yr
Joe is limited, and the salary demands of Tee and Chase will be their downfall. Can't win in Cincy due to ownership and the fanbase is just too poor.
@@DogDongDotCom keep blaming everything else. if u were actually a bengals fan u would know joe almost always folds at the most important times
35yr kc fan but joe is a stud. Modern day Billy Idol.
Get that man a defense.
Then they’d have to give up having the best WR core in the Lg
look at Burrows 4th quarter numbers for the year. That's why they didn't make the playoffs. He just couldn't finish games.
Lamar didnt have a defense and he made it. Mahomes didnt have a defense plenty of times and he won it all.
The Chiefs had to trade away Tyreek Hill to build their defense. Maybe the Bengals will do the same with Jam'arr Chase. The question remains: Can Burrow be successful without one of the best receivers in the league?
@@frequentfrenzied No he can't. We have already seen what that looks like. People often over look just how amazing his weapons have been. Look at his LSU year where he set the records. Gets drafted by Cincy and has an okay year with Boyd, Higgens, Green. The following year they get Chase.
Talking about Joe Burrow is equivalent to talking about Daniel Jones. Neither make the playoffs and haven't accomplished anything.
Nick is a really smart guy but far too often he lets biases affect his takes
All of what theyre saying about burrow it has been the opposite for herbert. Burrow gets a pass because a wrist and calf but herbert plays thru broken rib cartilage and theres no pass there. Herbert playing with a cartoon sized middle finger but he gets no pass. Freaking ridiculous these guys. Herbert is part of the 5k club but hes not in that tier of qbs because he hasnt won a playoff game. Where you guys putting herbert after saturday if he wins? "He OnLy BeAt ThE TeXAns" how far will the posts move if herbert gets his win? Nick and crew will find a way to keep herbert out of that tier. "He needed harbaugh" like mahomes hasnt had reid his whole career. The goal posts will shift in favor of their favorites. Clowns.
Burrow is getting the Herbert treatment a great player surrounded by a trash team but Herbert didn't have Chase and Higgins
Burrow has had offensive weapons since day one, he has also the same system since he joined. Herbert has had 5 OC's, 4 QB coaches, and 2 of the most incompetent head coaches not named Pierce, Mayo, Lovie, or Hue Jackson.
1. Burrow is not a great player
2. Herbert wasn't surrounded by great players
@@DogDongDotComHerbert is elite
Burrow a mediocre starter
Tbh his case was always a Drew Brees case and as long as he's in Cinci he'll have a Brees like career. I always saw him in the Brees-Marino archetype. He'll put up the numbers but he plays for an organization that won't ever put it all together on a consistent basis.