Helen Pluckrose on Equality, Diversity and Inclusion (EDI)
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Helen Pluckrose discusses the backlash against Critical Race Theory (CRT) in the US, expressing concern about its impact on social dynamics. She acknowledges the role of her work, including "Cynical Theories," in contributing to criticisms of CRT. Pluckrose worries that the backlash is not directed at the ideas but is turning into an indiscriminate attack on people, leading to the rise of "white identity politics" and hostility towards "marginalised" groups.
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As a Bl;ack person, I am vehemently against Critical Race Theory precisely because it will lead to a backlash against minority ethnic groups as people. This is a direct consequence of the racialized rhetoric that is central to CRT. The approach that CRT takes is not only unethical and immoral but is also unsustainable because it makes the majority of people resentful and they have a right to be when facing marginalization solely because of their race.
100% I lived in Brixton for three years with some Africans. When woke became the norm, I found myself uncomfortable in the presence of black people. I sensed hatred and resentment, and I saw a black person i.e. a stereotype. I had to learn again to see the person. I felt I was being manipulated by woke.
The backlash hasn't gone too far, we've barely got the ball rolling. Wokeness is the return of fascism with a saccharin smile. Your free ride's over.
Indubitably!
This is not about “empowerment” of any group.
It’s about special privileges for specific groups being put into POLICY.
Yes. And also, looking at this from the traditional Left, CRT promotes the idea that the majority of people are always going to be kicked around, but if a few minorities get a better deal the result will be a fairer society. That's never going to happen. If the goal was a fairer society, the middle classes would be terrified, and yet they seem to be quite excited about creating a permanent underclass with no political representation.
When you provoke the lion that is truth for long enough, it will roar back. CRT needs to be cancelled.
The problem is double standards.
If it’s racist to say Britain should not be considered a white country then somewhere like south should not be considered black. Or Iran as Arab or they would be racist as well?
Not yet it hasn't, not a backlash, a correction.
Just brought Helens book today very good so far. Concerning a backlash, only when CTR is considered completely unacceptable will we have gone far enough when it and DEI and two tier policing are removed from our institutions and White people feel they are able to talk about the Issues that concern them without being labled a racist will you see a reduction in White idenity politics, what I think is a polite way of saying racist. When people feel their concerns are not a addressed their frustration grows. I think Helens concern will feed the thing she fears as those concerns have not been addressed yet. If we can have resonable debate about immigration and identiy and address the concerns of DEI in a non divisive way we might get somewhere. But as the great Jonathan Haidt said " Morality binds and blinds us. It blinds us to the fact that each team is composed of good people who have something important to say" I feel Helen is perpetuating the conflation of white idenity and and far right groups.
I wish I was an educated academic so I can learn to speak for 5 minutes and still say absolutely nothing
Has it? Would you like to talk about decentering or removing blackness for a change? Because in my lifetime that’s what I have experienced as being centered. The past is the past. Let us be treated equally. No special racial hierarchies. No abusing anyone in the present for the past.
Right I would say that the groups involved need to start doing some hard explaining as to why they allowed this in their name, this isnt a historical argument they watched it happen around them. Some hard conversations indeed
It was always clear that CRT was both divisive and disruptive...the cynic in me thinks deliberately so...the backlash,such as it is,was entirely predictable and possibly part of the whole point...
To paraphrase your colleague James Lindsay "The Revolution is always the issue"
A self-fulfilling prophecy.
@@Individual_Lives_Matter ...or everything just going to plan...
Wow, 5 mins and said nothing. She really knows her topic
She probably knows it better than you jackass. It was a clip from a larger discussion. What I heard from her here is her concern that this could escalate to violence. If you think violence is the right answer you are oblivious to what's actually going on.
She said we should attack the bad ideas, not the people in the “minority” identity groups and that we should not encourage whites to participate in the fight through white identity politics. (Both courses accept and validate the frame provided by the bad ideas.)
@@ilfautdanser9121 What you just described took two sentences to convey. That's about 30 seconds worth of speech. The other 4:30 was jabbering, dog-whistling and code-talking....all BS.
Helen is to be admired for her consistently principled approach.
It certainly wasn't admirable in this instance.
@@johnnynick3621 why exactly do you say that?
People make up the ideas and on many occasions people begin to mould their lives around those ideas. You therefore cannot attack an idea without actually attacking the individual, especially the ones who have an emotional attachment to those ideas. This is why people get so angry and upset, because they feel the criticism personally. So, pretending not to attack people, just their ideas is just a form of self-deception because knowing you are attacking someone personally makes some people very uncomfortable, and the only way around that is to lie to yourself.
I personally don't care if someone gets emotionally upset when I attack their beliefs, instead of lying to them (I'm not attacking you per se I'm attacking...) I tell them to stop believing in nonsense or dangerous shit. Be honest with them, but most importantly, be honest with yourself.
You spent 5 minutes saying nothing. This is so typical of Social Justice Pretenders.
A thought: has the 'backlash against CRT' *ever* been about the idea "is race a factor in here?" or has it *always* been about expressing resentment of the empowerment of marginalised categories of people?
It's the assumption that the experience of disempowerment is exclusively racial. CRT is an ideology exported from a society that refuses to acknowledge class injustice as *central* to any discourse about marginalisation and exclusion from political power. I'd suggest that's why CRT has been a spectacular failure in the US, and worse in Europe, and the UK. There's a false assumption that the majority don't matter.
What empowerment? Quotas are not empowerment. Being grovelled to by kneetakers is not empowerment. Black history month is not empowerment.
"empowering"? don't you mean special privileges?
Marginalised people can just mean a group that subjectively feels it is suffering injustice at the hands of an enemy group and wants payback or to control more resources, this is one of the issues.
I think I need to go into more detail to express what I mean.
Making up some arbitrary categories...
Imagine a society of humans where a few distinct families had coloured hats that they passed down from generation to generation. They had successfully arranged the allocation of resources such that having a coloured hat got you access to the best houses. No hat, no house. There were enough houses for everyone but the families wanted to keep houses for themselves.
For the people who were not in a colour hatted family (everyone else) the coloured hats decided to sort people by left and right handedness.
All left handed people got to share houses and were given black hats to wear by the coloured hatted families.
The black hats were also given the job of making sure only someone with a hat gets to live in a house. Because there were never enough coloured hats to enforce the rules they had arbitrarily decided on about hats and houses.
And... right handed people (the majority) didn't live in houses at all.
How do you think the black hatted people would feel if one day they woke up and were told by the coloured hats, "we've decided today that from now on everyone can share a house - except coloured hats, we get a house each as we always have done.
Don't you think that the left handed
people might be a little resentful that the right handed people now have houses too?
There is no material change for the left handed people, but they no longer have anything materially different in lifestyle than the right handed people. They can no longer say to themselves they intrinsically have a better standard of living than right handed people. All they have is a black hat which is pretty pointless now.
The people with black hats will feel a *perceived* loss of 'privilege' even though there is no material difference to their circumstances.
Unless of course they *really* look at their circumstances and realise, "I've been played for a fool here by these coloured hats...!"
You could try this out with a class of school kids replacing houses with sweets if you feel like inflicting psychological torture for an afternoon to give a lesson on social class dynamics.
You may find the emergent behaviour from the psychological trauma has interesting parallels with behaviour in certain adults that you may know....
Not necessarily about race-it seems to be more about culture-and the way illegal “immigrants” are😂refusing to accept the culture and laws of the countries they are moving to
Personally i think CRT, like the lgbtq is an industry and one that provides income, careers, business and platform opportunities for middle & upper class often white or Indian people but anyway never the working class black estate kids who need them. Together with white estate kids, black working class kids need to bemefit from societal introspection.
She does not see pro-minority discrimination as discrimination!
She decries white identity politics as racism but does not see black identity politics as equally racist.
Pro-women is not sexist in her worldview etc.
This is the problem with the liberal position.
Precisely what is the source verifying that this is the position that she advocates?
Her book Critical Theories supports equality feminism on several occasions - e.g. equal.opportunities for women. Equal opportunities amongst the opportunities created by men - jobs, education etc. No requirement from her for women to create an equivalent number of similar opportunities to share with men. How is that equal? Advantages for women, detriment for men!
@@jonahtwhale1779 That looks like the exact opposite of what you claimed: equal opportunities is not "pro minority discrimination": it is the absence of any discrimination.
I don't understand this 'separating ideas from people' criticism of hers. These ideas such as CRT didn't just fall from the sky. PEOPLE created them. So if blacks constantly push CRT and call us whites racist, of course there's is gonna be a backlash against THEM, not just against the CRT. In the same vein, there is nothing wrong with saying 'Only white people are British.' I do agree that there is a very small number of non-whites that are British too, but if we look at the behavior, the mentality and the lifestyle of most non-whites living in Britain, it becomes clear that they are clearly not British. They LIVE in Britain.... but that doesn't automatically make them British. I see the same here in Germany. Most migrants living here are DEFINITELY not German. Even I myself as a white person from the neighboring Czech Republic living in Germany for the past 10 years definitely don't feel like a German.