I use that delay casting thing on thief with pistol whip, jump as I'm activating it to get a quick daze out and bait out their movement and then relocate my position to hit him with the damage. You can also use it just out of range of an enemy then quickly walk up to them (as long as you are close enough) to surprise em with the damage, basically skipping the daze. (The Mes Shield 4 is the best use of it I've seen though) Great vid btw.
The last advice was the most helpful xD Thanks for the guidance, tho! I really had a good time watching you guys destroying everything in that tournament. Keep on with the good work!
You can weapon swap at the same time as the shatter + phase retreat combo to get the geomancy + doom procs off all at once while still getting that extra shatter
any one gets the healing well part of the after cast trick? so he insists that you use "continuum split-> healing well-> stow or swap weapon on the after cast -> continuum rift to reverse back -> healing well", and after this order you can make 2 immediate heal? I think if just use "continuum split-> healing well-> continuum rift-> healing well" this will also heal twice. what does he mean by immediately? and he also says that if use the regular order which I just mentioned without any after cast stow trick, the well you have to wait for the full cd? I am do confused.
In 2016, I watched this and it completely changed how I played mesmer. I was a scrub bronze with a hot trash build from meta-battle. After this, I pushed to gold and did a 1v3 against 2 diamonds and a mithril.
thanks. i didnt manage to to do think with the aftercast as weapon stow cancel the skill and its get a 3 sec cd. so if i use healing well and f5 i cancel the skill and not getting the benefit of the healing. any help?
TLDR; "Peasants dodge when Helseth jumps. Be like Helseth." Helseth jumped! Quick! Dodge! Oh wait. Nothing happened? I evaded for nothing?? Shattteerr!!!
Aren't some of these technically "bugs"? Exploits that shouldn't be? EDIT: 6 Months later and you can all just ignore my question. I was being a bit salty when writing it :D
Lol,you make it sound like there's 200k players who only play pvp. If they did,and 200k of them were so furious about these arbitrary exploits then yeah,it'd die out. That's not how the case is though. I'm curious,where did you get those numbers?
To say, "this exploit is in the game since launch and they didn't change it!!" Is pretty much retarded. You don't decide what an exploit or bug is and what isn't. Anet can easily decide this to be an actual game mechanic(which they probably already did), this simply raises the skill bar, and every player complaining about this is just too lazy to learn a mechanic or is just bad at the game, period. People get salty when they lose games, it's not just in Gw2. And when salty people decide to share things, they spread their salt all over the internet. Things like, "the game is dying anyways" or "I always play against the same people, player population so low." are classics. The game is just the game, and bugs and mechanics are just that. They can't contribute to toxicity. People however, they can be toxic, they can spread misinformation, be overall negative about the game and be dismissing any criticism, forcing their negative views on everyone. What really drives players away from the game are people, be it in real life or the game. No one came to the conclusion that a game sucks after playing it for 2-3 years. I mean how stupid do you have to be to waste your time with a game you don't like for years! No one should take this seriously. Either you realized you haven't played the game correctly or you just suck at it really hard and don't want to accept it. Most "toxic" players are usually just way too focused on their ego to see that they could actually be at fault. And it gets really smelly when people start pulling out "facts" out of their ass that really no one can know, because Anet doesn't share this information.
Sweet Milk I never said " "this exploit is in the game since launch and they didn't change it!!" " And I have not decided what an exploit or bug is. I merely asked a question.
Odd Jørgen Høibø That's my fault for not being specific enough. It wasn't directed to you bro, but the other guy who was clearly very salty when he wrote you his response. My only intent was to clear things up for you, to not mistake facts with opinion and blind rage.
For a pro Mesmer, I can't believe you didn't know about the double cast skills being interrupted by jump. Quantify has been using it on chrono sword 4, for tanking raids...almost since raids came out.
Helseth aka Da real MVP Just a questin i forgot to ask you in live : do you think you'll be still able the keep your world champions title even if anet hardly nerfs mesmer ?
So thief sword 2 is a skill that teleports you to your foe and when you activate it again it teleports you back to your original location. Before thief used to be able to cancel the 2nd skill allowing them to chain them together to chase foes and stuff. But anet patch it cuz reasons... feelsbadman
Try doing this with 300ms and to haters, well if you can do all of this in an instant while monitoring everything else, well you deserve the edge it gives you. It's accessible by everyone, and I bet 90% of all haters couldn't pull these off smoothly whenever they want.
Congratulations on the win, shame it wasn't you guys vs r55 in the final (I guess Anet wanted to give an NA team the best possible chance to be in the finals so put you both in the same branch, or it was random but that seems a silly way to design a tournament).
ik what the phantasm does im asking if he delays the phantasm spawn so when ppl see you cast shield4 and they dodge the delayed phantasm will hit them if they dont have any other evade to use.
He explained clearly, that clones are so important to the build, and needing 2 up to start a combo was such a big deal. If you can stop one of the first clones, then they are at a major disadvantage.
good video, but hard to understand his accent. if you speak more slowly or putting up subtitles, that'd be great. saw you guys at burbank on Sep 17 live in person. congrats on your win
gotcha! regret that should go talk and greet you in person in Burbank studio. but saw you were busy talking to the storm and then on your phone. I was waiting for the giveaways too. I was literally like in front of you. lol. hope to catch you later if you still come to LA
Appreciate the session Sir, currently PvP level one been spending a lot of time in PVE need to expand wish you could help me in PvP on what to practice other then Dodging Skills. but you have more important things to do Again Thanks Take Care Sir.
If you ask arena net balance team about the first trick, they will probably tell you that it is actually a bug ... They did that with thief's heart seeker trick for example. You know the one you rotate your camera to look down from above so that it shortens the distance you jump. Anet called that a bug that needs to be fixed xD These kinds of little tricks are what is good about this game's pvp but anet's balance team probably isn't even compatible with a regular pvp player so they don't even know about these probably. If not, then they don't know what's good for this game
Another reason why gw2 pvp sucks. Jumping and stalling the double mechanics on one skill is basically the same as increasing casttime. Changing the core characteristics (attributes like casttime) without the need of ingame mechanics like boons should never be a thing in any competitive game. You are basically advertising an exploit.
LoL I love the cocky attitude.. I'm the best pilot ever in Star Citizen and also the best DJ ever, thanks for inspiring people to be the BEST!... p.s. - maybe the best Mesmer soooooon :-P
i admire ur play and u play well, but can u pls stop being so arrogant? remember u didnt win those games alone, u have a team, a very good team, i just wonder if u are in a diffrent team , do u think ull win like that? ROM can beat u im sure and others could... be a model champ dont be arrogant, there lots that can beat u....its useless if a champ is so arrogant like you...its make me feel that ur not fit to have those skills
While we're on the subject of annoying behavior, could you please try to type properly? Your comments here have been agonizing to read. Typing like that makes it look like you don't really care about what you're saying.
The running, jumping and gliding around during the explanations really annoys the hell out of me. Gonna ask Malferian if he saw this video and let him tell me what those tricks are. Can't watch more than 3min of this jumping around.
Wow so many people have never seen Helseth stream or play because he isn't truly arrogant etc. it's a "character" and joke that he plays quite well and is actually hilarious. As far as the "exploits" these are the deep mechanics that differentiate between esl players and casual platinum. Knowing not only your stuff but also other classes deep mechanics make you a better player. Stop being so salty for being tier gold when you think you are "god mode".
/sigh Everyone at high level uses animation canceling and all these tricks. The only one that I was the only one who used was the extra shater on phase retreat. So I should be kicked out of ESL because I shattered fast? Knowing how the mechanics of a game work and using them in every situation happens in every game. Even league of legends has the same stuff. Learn your place, idiot.
Are you for real bro? Each of these things are all possible due to mechanics WITHIN THE GAME. They do not involve hacking, or any other external thing like that. This means that everything that Helseth is doing is within the terms of service of Guild Wars 2. If the devs didn't want this in there they would patch it. You can't punish the players for playing as efficiently as possible using mechanics available in the game. While we're at it why don't we ban every pro smash bros player for wavedashing or League players for animation canceling.
[Last Post] I really got bored of responding to he's butt buddies and I don't want to see he's ugly ass face again responding to lame ass responses. he's headline go far back then lebron james, he needs to take that money and fix that shit. anyway peace ~plebs so called for the dumbass in the video with that 10$ amazon sweater
any one gets the healing well part of the after cast trick? so he insists that you use "continuum split-> healing well-> stow or swap weapon on the after cast -> continuum rift to reverse back -> healing well", and after this order you can make 2 immediate heal? I think if just use "continuum split-> healing well-> continuum rift-> healing well" this will also heal twice. what does he mean by immediately? and he also says that if use the regular order which I just mentioned without any after cast stow trick, the well you have to wait for the full cd? I am do confused.
You got me. I should've seen that last "mesmer trick" coming xD
Insane video, I didn't know about any of this, really instructive.
Congratulation on the Win
Did you know if you airdodge into the ground you can wavedash?
waaaaaaaa???? obviously broken!!! why hasn't Sakurai patched this????
Living Story Season 3 Episode 3: Melee
I use that delay casting thing on thief with pistol whip, jump as I'm activating it to get a quick daze out and bait out their movement and then relocate my position to hit him with the damage. You can also use it just out of range of an enemy then quickly walk up to them (as long as you are close enough) to surprise em with the damage, basically skipping the daze.
(The Mes Shield 4 is the best use of it I've seen though)
Great vid btw.
The last advice was the most helpful xD Thanks for the guidance, tho! I really had a good time watching you guys destroying everything in that tournament. Keep on with the good work!
What's up receding hairline.
what are you gay?
João Cota Speaking from experience huh?
zer00rdie I was throwing an idubbbz at you but you didn't get it. My bad
João Cota Fuck... Only now I notice, then it's my bad : P
zer00rdie Well I thought you had watched his latest stuff since you commented that haha It's all good dude!
You can weapon swap at the same time as the shatter + phase retreat combo to get the geomancy + doom procs off all at once while still getting that extra shatter
Daaaamn. This is soo good. gz on the win and huge respect on staying in the 1 vid every monday. Keep this up. this is so good god damn man!
any one gets the healing well part of the after cast trick? so he insists that you use "continuum split-> healing well-> stow or swap weapon on the after cast -> continuum rift to reverse back -> healing well", and after this order you can make 2 immediate heal? I think if just use "continuum split-> healing well-> continuum rift-> healing well" this will also heal twice. what does he mean by immediately? and he also says that if use the regular order which I just mentioned without any after cast stow trick, the well you have to wait for the full cd? I am do confused.
In 2016, I watched this and it completely changed how I played mesmer. I was a scrub bronze with a hot trash build from meta-battle. After this, I pushed to gold and did a 1v3 against 2 diamonds and a mithril.
lol, point 5 is by far the most crucial bit of info. :D
Excellent video, learnt some new tricks.
I knew about all of them but the last one. I think that one's really going to help me out. Thanks!
Did they fix the shield 4 jump thing? I haven't pvped in a while but now for some reason the phantasm doesn't spawn anymore after the jump?
What build should a thief play in competitive ranked? Is sword dagger viable?
d/p is meta and its for a reason.
Greaze sadly it's not. Right now it's D/P or Staff or go home.
thanks. i didnt manage to to do think with the aftercast as weapon stow cancel the skill and its get a 3 sec cd. so if i use healing well and f5 i cancel the skill and not getting the benefit of the healing.
any help?
TLDR; "Peasants dodge when Helseth jumps. Be like Helseth."
Helseth jumped! Quick! Dodge!
Oh wait. Nothing happened? I evaded for nothing??
Shattteerr!!!
is there a druid build that can counter this condi mesmer helseth played ?
Aren't some of these technically "bugs"? Exploits that shouldn't be?
EDIT: 6 Months later and you can all just ignore my question. I was being a bit salty when writing it :D
Lol,you make it sound like there's 200k players who only play pvp. If they did,and 200k of them were so furious about these arbitrary exploits then yeah,it'd die out.
That's not how the case is though.
I'm curious,where did you get those numbers?
To say, "this exploit is in the game since launch and they didn't change it!!" Is pretty much retarded.
You don't decide what an exploit or bug is and what isn't.
Anet can easily decide this to be an actual game mechanic(which they probably already did), this simply raises the skill bar, and every player complaining about this is just too lazy to learn a mechanic or is just bad at the game, period.
People get salty when they lose games, it's not just in Gw2.
And when salty people decide to share things, they spread their salt all over the internet.
Things like, "the game is dying anyways" or "I always play against the same people, player population so low." are classics.
The game is just the game, and bugs and mechanics are just that. They can't contribute to toxicity.
People however, they can be toxic, they can spread misinformation, be overall negative about the game and be dismissing any criticism, forcing their negative views on everyone.
What really drives players away from the game are people, be it in real life or the game.
No one came to the conclusion that a game sucks after playing it for 2-3 years. I mean how stupid do you have to be to waste your time with a game you don't like for years! No one should take this seriously.
Either you realized you haven't played the game correctly or you just suck at it really hard and don't want to accept it.
Most "toxic" players are usually just way too focused on their ego to see that they could actually be at fault.
And it gets really smelly when people start pulling out "facts" out of their ass that really no one can know, because Anet doesn't share this information.
Sweet Milk I never said " "this exploit is in the game since launch and they didn't change it!!" "
And I have not decided what an exploit or bug is. I merely asked a question.
Odd Jørgen Høibø
That's my fault for not being specific enough.
It wasn't directed to you bro, but the other guy who was clearly very salty when he wrote you his response.
My only intent was to clear things up for you, to not mistake facts with opinion and blind rage.
Sweet Milk Aww ok :)
Are all this tricks still working or did they get "fixed"?
Is the stow weapon trick possible with 250 ping, cant seem to do it.
For a pro Mesmer, I can't believe you didn't know about the double cast skills being interrupted by jump. Quantify has been using it on chrono sword 4, for tanking raids...almost since raids came out.
I don't pay attention to raids so I was never introduced to this, I had to find it on my own while spamming skills in the mist.
wasn't trying to hate on you btw, just found it surprising.
I don't think it was taken as hate and anyways if you did hate him nobody would care. It's the internet
mesmer that pawned me yesterday must have watched this video.
I read 5 advanced tricks but saw only common ones...did I miss something here?
I wish somebody would do a rev one.
13:50 Ouch. Drazeh feeling the burn.
Helseth aka Da real MVP
Just a questin i forgot to ask you in live : do you think you'll be still able the keep your world champions title even if anet hardly nerfs mesmer ?
mesmer might not but helseth will always be viable xD
Did most of this get fixed?
dont play staff that often, so didnt know the last one, my connection will be too bad for it 90% of the time anyway but still good to know, thx! :)
wb, congratulations on the win
Gz !!! Semi was the "real" final imho and the best fights.
Inb4 bug fix
anet plzzzzz don't take this from me q.q
tell it to thief sword 2
TheEzaster what happened to sword 2?
So thief sword 2 is a skill that teleports you to your foe and when you activate it again it teleports you back to your original location. Before thief used to be able to cancel the 2nd skill allowing them to chain them together to chase foes and stuff. But anet patch it cuz reasons... feelsbadman
I should note that I'm not a thief player this is based in what people have told me
Try doing this with 300ms and to haters, well if you can do all of this in an instant while monitoring everything else, well you deserve the edge it gives you. It's accessible by everyone, and I bet 90% of all haters couldn't pull these off smoothly whenever they want.
Congratulations on the win, shame it wasn't you guys vs r55 in the final (I guess Anet wanted to give an NA team the best possible chance to be in the finals so put you both in the same branch, or it was random but that seems a silly way to design a tournament).
why is shield 4 so importand im not all that fammiliar with the condi mesmer and pvp in gerenal so i was wondering
ik what the phantasm does im asking if he delays the phantasm spawn so when ppl see you cast shield4 and they dodge the delayed phantasm will hit them if they dont have any other evade to use.
He explained clearly, that clones are so important to the build, and needing 2 up to start a combo was such a big deal. If you can stop one of the first clones, then they are at a major disadvantage.
if the enmy manages to dodge the clones attack the clone dispawns or you need to dodge at the end of the shied 4 animation?
If they dodge the "hit" of the shield 4, then he doesn't spawn
the "hit" yo mean the attack the phantasm will tr and do right?
holy moly you are so damn Pro, now that's what i call learning the game and knowing how to play it... its just mindblowing GZ on your win
So, do I need to be bald to be a good mesmer? Awwww
IN THE BUILDING
good video, but hard to understand his accent. if you speak more slowly or putting up subtitles, that'd be great. saw you guys at burbank on Sep 17 live in person. congrats on your win
to be fair, normally I'm more articulate. I had just been awake for far too long and thus couldnt focus on my speech
gotcha! regret that should go talk and greet you in person in Burbank studio. but saw you were busy talking to the storm and then on your phone. I was waiting for the giveaways too. I was literally like in front of you. lol. hope to catch you later if you still come to LA
American here who has never left the states, and I can understand him just fine. Maybe the problem isn't him, maybe its...you?
I'm sorry daddy didn't love you enough. Or... Too much? #blessyoursoul
I know ur hurt, and trying to change the subject. but it won't work out, girl.
Damn, I wish you did such stuff for thieves. I bet you know few "tricks" they do. Nice vid btw.
Appreciate the session Sir, currently PvP level one been spending a lot of time in PVE need to expand wish you could help me in PvP on what to practice other then Dodging Skills. but you have more important things to do Again Thanks Take Care Sir.
#BackToBack in the building
All these dislikes are a testament to how good the video actually is!
they calling this *exploit* in every other game XD
not in fighting games ;D
Yeah seriously as someone who plays fighting games this sort of stuff is pretty commonplace and often intended.
ye but in fighting games you dont have reuse time......
IIIiiiDAWiiiIII What does that have to do with it?
hes abusing cd of the skill,thats whole point.
Omg, I want MOOOAAAARRRR
#4 is known as the 'cat leap' since like beta. :D
If you ask arena net balance team about the first trick, they will probably tell you that it is actually a bug ...
They did that with thief's heart seeker trick for example. You know the one you rotate your camera to look down from above so that it shortens the distance you jump. Anet called that a bug that needs to be fixed xD These kinds of little tricks are what is good about this game's pvp but anet's balance team probably isn't even compatible with a regular pvp player so they don't even know about these probably. If not, then they don't know what's good for this game
this is pogchamp
What lol :D we were kiling each anotheer zesterday ...AU revenant :D
Wow, you really deserve the title of a King. If I worked at ANet, I would make an in-game title "King" available only for you :D
I got dizzy just by watching you ! You move too much.but you're good !
i like the part from 13:32 , very good tip ;)
didt work for me
"There's always going to be a difference between peasants and kings" *plays a game that's not that big for a living*
lmao that last tip im dead hahaha
bro is 7 years late. I come back to this video every few years because it’s nostalgia lol
Another reason why gw2 pvp sucks. Jumping and stalling the double mechanics on one skill is basically the same as increasing casttime. Changing the core characteristics (attributes like casttime) without the need of ingame mechanics like boons should never be a thing in any competitive game. You are basically advertising an exploit.
no different than a port stomp, dumb stuff but hey that's why there is pve.
When are the patching rocket jumps out of fps games? cos you know it was an exploit
Frame data and AI manipulation are all knowledge and reaction based, arguably the two terms that could define skill the most.
not really. comp gaming is rock paper scissors anyway.
Hey helseth! Nice to see ever so handso...what happened to your hair?
LoL I love the cocky attitude.. I'm the best pilot ever in Star Citizen and also the best DJ ever, thanks for inspiring people to be the BEST!... p.s. - maybe the best Mesmer soooooon :-P
I don't get it
fucking noob git gud
Can you do an Ele video
He doesn't really play ele
Lord helseth yayy
how is that hot guy playing videogames, he looks like a model!
i admire ur play and u play well, but can u pls stop being so arrogant? remember u didnt win those games alone, u have a team, a very good team, i just wonder if u are in a diffrent team , do u think ull win like that? ROM can beat u im sure and others could... be a model champ dont be arrogant, there lots that can beat u....its useless if a champ is so arrogant like you...its make me feel that ur not fit to have those skills
that's part of the character he is doing. I'm sure he isn't like that to his friends. It's just a bit of satire
nah , this is not a movie..this is real bro
Someone doesn't have a sense of humor.
ur like him too lol
While we're on the subject of annoying behavior, could you please try to type properly? Your comments here have been agonizing to read. Typing like that makes it look like you don't really care about what you're saying.
ty mate
Maybe wired, but how can i beat a Condi-Mesmer? - me noob ^^
Eeeesy
The running, jumping and gliding around during the explanations really annoys the hell out of me.
Gonna ask Malferian if he saw this video and let him tell me what those tricks are. Can't watch more than 3min of this jumping around.
Wow so many people have never seen Helseth stream or play because he isn't truly arrogant etc. it's a "character" and joke that he plays quite well and is actually hilarious. As far as the "exploits" these are the deep mechanics that differentiate between esl players and casual platinum. Knowing not only your stuff but also other classes deep mechanics make you a better player. Stop being so salty for being tier gold when you think you are "god mode".
They should take they money back from you for all these exploits and kick you out of esl, such a loser way to win.
/sigh
Everyone at high level uses animation canceling and all these tricks. The only one that I was the only one who used was the extra shater on phase retreat. So I should be kicked out of ESL because I shattered fast?
Knowing how the mechanics of a game work and using them in every situation happens in every game. Even league of legends has the same stuff.
Learn your place, idiot.
Are you for real bro? Each of these things are all possible due to mechanics WITHIN THE GAME. They do not involve hacking, or any other external thing like that. This means that everything that Helseth is doing is within the terms of service of Guild Wars 2.
If the devs didn't want this in there they would patch it. You can't punish the players for playing as efficiently as possible using mechanics available in the game.
While we're at it why don't we ban every pro smash bros player for wavedashing or League players for animation canceling.
Lmfao youre such an idiot Shira, fucking legit noob
Please keep your fetish to yourself yung boi, we know you're sexually frustrated. anyways try again.
[Last Post] I really got bored of responding to he's butt buddies and I don't want to see he's ugly ass face again responding to lame ass responses. he's headline go far back then lebron james, he needs to take that money and fix that shit. anyway peace ~plebs so called for the dumbass in the video with that 10$ amazon sweater
guild wars is terrible
your mic sucks. everything else nice.
any one gets the healing well part of the after cast trick? so he insists that you use "continuum split-> healing well-> stow or swap weapon on the after cast -> continuum rift to reverse back -> healing well", and after this order you can make 2 immediate heal? I think if just use "continuum split-> healing well-> continuum rift-> healing well" this will also heal twice. what does he mean by immediately? and he also says that if use the regular order which I just mentioned without any after cast stow trick, the well you have to wait for the full cd? I am do confused.