motherclass #2: Audio Monitoring - Engineer Insights with Paddi Krause (In Flames, Toto, Korn etc...
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- Опубликовано: 31 мар 2020
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Audio Engineering is a crucial part of every entetaiment show. Get thrilling insights on mothergrid!
Paddi Krause didn't take much time: In 2010 he finished his training as an event technician, a little later he was already touring around the globe as a monitoring engineer to bring bands of all styles of music to the stage with the right sound. Now he lets the users of mothergrid share his knowledge - Anhandvondvon original live recordings of the cult band Toto.
Bands such as In Flames, Korn, Alter Bridge, Trivium and last but not least Toto like to rely on the Hamburger, he seems to have a knack for their ears. Not least because he brings along an important basic characteristic that is indispensable for the stressful life on the street: There is nothing that can upset him.
Monitoring sound for critical artists
In our second motherclass, he will provide unique insights into his way of working, starting with the individual instruments, each of which places very special demands on the man at the monitor desk: We accompany Paddi Krause through the original tracks of a live recording by Toto and are almost "live" when he brings the signals of drums, bass, guitar, vocals and additional instruments into the right form for the artists on stage.
And there is hardly a more critical audience than the musicians themselves, whose performance depends not insignificantly on whether they feel comfortable with what they hear and above all: how they hear it.
Paddi Krause is not concerned with presenting the right settings for faders and knobs, he encourages the audience to think for themselves and to develop a very personal way of working and handwriting, because after all, every musician on stage is unique with an individual style, which has to be captured anew with fresh ideas and an unclouded view.
Finally, Paddi Krause also goes into the console of his choice: The AVID S6L has long since established itself as the industry standard and is on the road with the world's most renowned bands. The first and most important advice is: "Know your console! What exactly does that mean? More about it in the video, have fun!
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This is exactly what a Masterclass should be like. Not just talking technical stuff, praising gear and plugins and complimenting his endorsements, but talking about approach and the real deal. Psychology, attitude and knowledge. Well done, sir!
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agreed. most IEM videos are 50% advert. This is pure technical gold.
Thank you, very much appreciated!
This guy is awesome. He not just know's EQ, Compression, Effects and his Desk... he also knows music, he knows feeling, he knows so much behind the "just mixing" thing. He also has the right approach for different things... this guy can mix everything.
THIS IS SO GOOD
Damn Paddi, very impressive stuff!!! I can see why these types of artists hire you with high regard. NOT because of the console you use on its own, but because you make every effort to know your gear in detail and understand all the nuances, manage your workflow, use best practice organizational skills, and do your homework with the music, and learn all the related intricacies. Definitely an eye-opener for me.
great job on showing what you buddy thank you for doing this. i've been playing drums and lead singing all my life non stop and i also do live sound and monitors . monitors mixes sure have changed allot.
Lol the motherclass! Now that’s an appropriate name if I ever heard one. Thank you guys so much for doing a class and not having it be about waves or pa or console but just about sound engineering practices to practice sound engineering 👍👍
Paddi is fantastic! The monitor engineer has to keep a separate mix for every band member. Plus, he has to deal with egos of the stars. The monitor engineer is a complete art and is the most demanding position. This man has to fly 8 mixes for Toto. This is extremely demanding. This man is brilliant.
Older vid but I loved it. I was a monitor engineer some years ago and loved your methodology. Not mentioned but the mental game of working with musicians, especially young or big ego musicians is a huge part of the enjoyment of the role. Keeping them happy and not trashing your levels can be rough.
This information is pure gold. Formants! (for monitoring vocals) I mean... How "easy" is that?! Sounds sooooooooooooooooo much better in the mix. Thank u soooo much!
Cheers from Chile!
Paddi, well done. You taught this at a level that anyone with some general knowledge can apply to their environment. I’m a huge Toto fan so using them as your reference band was awesome. Appreciate you!
Toto is awful example because that is a band that wont give you any headache. They are god tier musicians with a lot of experience, they play awesome arenas with top tier gear and they use in ear monitoring. There's literally no place to fuck things up. Can't learn shit from this. Especially people just starting the job who have to deal with loads of crap. And experienced sound engineers dont need to watch this, they can sit with Paddy, drink some booze and share stories.
They can and I’m sure they do.
Yet great and genuine engineers share their knowledge and experience. The miserable ones complain about it.
def one of the best IEM mixing videos on youtube.
Great masterclass! Thank you so much for concentrating on the basic principles, not the specific plugins or desk features!!
I only just recently got thrown into doin some in-ears for a church and while its difficult and I'm having a rough time making everything sound clean... its actually nice to hear that I'm taking nearly the same approach to how things are balanced with levels, panning, gain staging. Not sure I follow the -10dB trick.... however I do -5 so I think I get it. Its nice to learn new stuff to make myself a better engineer!
That’s great! Never stop learning.
This is what I was looking for!! Great stuff, more from Paddi Krause please! :)
Thank you Paddi for the insight. He really digs deep and it is pure gold!
Great job Paddi and thank you for so clear explanations (P.S. we love so much Toto on stage thanks to you)
It was great watching this video and his way to work... Basically, is the same way I do things on monitors. Congratz!!!!
Great video! Thanks for that!
Super helpful! this was some amazing insight and knowledge for monitor engineering.
That was brilliant that. I instantly subscribed! Thanks!
Very Nice Insights!! Thank you, Great Video!!
Unbelievable explanations on vocals. Of course the same with drums and the rest. All the best. John Smith who has toured on sax with them has performed with my band numerous times, killer tone, player.
This is very excellent!
Hi Paddi, hi mothergrid - thanks for the online lecture! *shared*
GREAT content!!!! keep it up. very interesting takes.
Thank you Paddi
Amazing personality and workflows. Thanks for sharing :)
I saw Toto twice and believe it or not: I had the feeling the band felt way more comfortable with Paddi stage left ;)
im a monitor engineer and it was good to learn tips from you paddi..cheers
Fascinating. Thank you
Precise, great upload!
Really great job!!!...and by the way, you have the ULTIMATE radio bass voice !!!...sounds very pleasing!
Paddi, great video! Learn't a lot
I agreed...what makes the mix sound so good is the source it self.
There are a lot of really good tips here. This guy mixes.
a lot of bands would be happy if they had a studio sound like that lol. excellent work.
Great explanation. Learned a few thing for regular (not monitor) mixing too.
Hey Paddi, a big thanks for your class - I think this has a lot of value for a lot of engineers! One point I would love to hear from your experience, is how you think about 'more or less eq/compression' on a musicians own channel. So my idea is/was: better less to no compression on his channel so he can control his dynamic. And just a lowcut so he knows how he „really“ sounds on the microphone. But I‘m struggling with that. I like the idea of a clean monitor channels with the goal of „fix it in the source“, but I also want happy musicians with the best possible sound on stage. (I’m doing primarely FOH + monitoring because my bands can’t/don’t want to pay a separate monitor engineer... cheers from Hannover, Alex 😉
Could listen to Paddi talk all day
No problem, we appreciate looking the videos multiple times to trigger the algorithm!
Very helpful. Thank you.
That mix sounds freaking good.
Very Insightful.
Great content thanks brother!! I do both FOH and monitor world. The band I’m with now isn’t that big yet. I think the hardest thing for me is getting rid of all the background noise. I mix a Latin band 17 musicians air horns, drums, congas and that good stuff. I have a Midas M32 I think I don’t have that PSE expander. So I have to use the built in Gate to help get rid of all that noise! It’s tough out here Latina band music so much going on at once it’s hard to get just what you want. Gain levels on mics and wireless instruments mics. But hey man lotta good stuff I appreciate the video!! Stay safe out there brother 🤟🏻
great info and video thank you
Glad you enjoyed it
Love the approach Paddi. I agree with you on so many things and I’m happy to see someone with so many workflows and systems in place. Intellect is super important if you’re going to take control of Stage Left. Cheers!
Thx brother. Means a lot!
@@paddikrause9304 you’re welcome. Hope you’re doing well.
@@paddikrause9304 I'm inspired to be like you, sir!
he is completely right...monitor engineer is super challenging...managing feedback and the picky musician is not an easy task.
applause to you Mr!
Top ! Thank !!! (to France)
You are such a badass Paddi; i got so much out of this...
AND! not even in Your native language You explained Your process and understanding perfectly...
Good luck sir with your project🚀🚀🚀
Great! Now I want to be monitor engineer. Thanks for that .
Choose Toto to engineer for.....hardly any need to eq anything!
Thanks, great info, hard to find good IEM info an tutorials :D
Very interesting thank you
Absolute pro!!!!! \m/
Amazing
Super interesting stuff about the vocal eq and compression 17:00
10:30 that bass fill 🔥
I have the ugly face. Nice video bro. Great job
Brilliant video! I really like the way you explain things. Very easy to understand and follow.
Do you adapt your EQs song to song based on the setlists?
Usually i don't. Only if there's multiple instruments coming down the same line, like different sounding acoustic guitars (Luke plays 12-string, 6-string and a Nylon guitar through the same line). I have different EQs for the guitars that i recall in my Snapshots. Other than that, nope. :)
the motherload, very great
Thank you so much for this video. I’ve got a question. Did I get this right: the VCA-Master snaps back to unity after using it? Which means you add mustard to the attached Faders and you can repeat this as often as you want? Never thought of such a feature - but it could make sense. If the S6L worked this way. And: does the VCA Master apply the changes only to the selected AUX-Sends? This would be freaking awesome!
My goodness I want to regularly work on an S6L
Hi Paddy! Thanks a lot for all the knowledge and experience you share with us.
I understand that you want to achieve a nice balanced mix and I got the part where you talk about the loss of control for the singers with heavy compression. But still, you can get away with moderate compression on vocals and heavy on bass for example? I wouldnt be sure if I can do that. Dont the musician feel like theyre not hearing what theyre doing?
Are you riding/pushing solos and stuff at all? And if you are, shouldnt the level change for everyone EXCEPT the player/soloist himself?
hi thx for the video rly helps :) i'm still new to the concept so got a few questions, would like to know how and what splits of the inputs for FOH and Monitor engineers in such a way that allows each of tham controll over input gain, and if its a digital thing how was it with analog?
allso intrested in how you deal with latency issues when using digital as a monitor console
good
I enjoyed you video. It’s very in depth. I have one question. We are using a old school split snake to isolate the gains structure. For monitor world, should I use Pre for the input channel and pre fader or post fader on the monitor side??? I see the advantages of both but I’m looking for the best quality.
Thanks Sam
Hi Sam, i always mix post fade unless there is a specific need for a channel to be pre fade, which rarely happens. Pre for the input channel..? You mean which split out you should use for monitors and which one for foh? That really depends on the split, but I'd say it should not matter if its a proper split.
Really good video here!
How many vca do you use?
When you bring up/down drums vca. Does it effect to all of the all mix/aux? Or you can setup specifically to steve lukather mix only for example?
Thank you. For Toto i use 12 VCAs, but not all instruments/inputs are assigned to VCAs. It's for the dedicated/selected mix only - not for all mixes.
Thanks man for the sharing! Last year i heard the iem mix for toto when play in jakarta. The band sounds amazing
I wanna know what in ears and model ya use, thanks
How's VCA channel adjustment applies just to one auxiliary output??
Brilliant video. You mentioned that you set a nominal level on a channel and balance the in ears to that, I’m assuming your setting this level in the transmitter?
Do you also do anything like this for wedges? Or what is your process with them?
Hey Hi, I also didn't understand that technique. If you get it, please let me know. Thanks :)
What console is that? Great Video, I learned so much. Thank You!!!
Avid Venue S6L
Hi Paddi! Thank you for an amazing masterclass! Please could you tell me which JH Audio model you use for monitoring, and which JH Audio model Steve Porcaro use for this tour? Thank you very much for your effort! All the best!
JH Audio Roxanne
what type of mixer are you using in this video??
u think its logic i can compress more and still retain tone while performing with digital compressors like cla 2a or lesuire more than a rnc or dbx analog compressors in monitors on vocal channel ??
Hey Paddi
What is your approach to mixing crowd ambience to the bands ears?
Hey Samantha! I use 2-4 crowd mics, depending on the stage width, and have them assigned to a VCA. I fade the crowd mics in between songs or singalong parts, and keep em muted during songs, to keep the mixes clean.
I don't understand how he's using snapshots to change send levels (e.g. lead vocals) while also making adjustments on the fly for musicians who need more of something that one day, if the snapshots are going to override it. Do you think he's working post-fader and making snapshot adjustments on the main faders (across all mixes) then?
Hi Paddi, is your approach to vocals in all the bands you work with similar?
Pretty much, yes. Important is paying attention and listening closely to the input signal and cater to their unique vocal character. And not just using the same settings for everyone, because "that's what i always do". Most of the time i end up using the same tools/plugins and signal chain tho, because that's just what i like working with and hearing. Frequently used vocal tools for me are API comps & F6 DynEQ (Toto guys, Myles Kennedy, ..) or a Distressor (Arousor) & F6 for Anders (InFlames).
If the dynamic EQ on the vocal is basically always activating in that range when the singer is singing, how is using a dynamic EQ better than just scooping the 3-4dB out in that range with a standard PEQ like normal?
This type of mix is why I don't like live sound for big arena rock sounds like every festival and big concert sounds like now. I understand the need for some compression, but 8db is a lot and you can hear it, the music is not dynamic at all. Maybe you could try a limiter instead if you need that much control. I get that this is a que mix, but this basically sounds the same as the mains, and it's the same at every big show.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge though, great video besides the compression.
What's the name of the mixer?
Kann man den Krause eigtl. auch mal auf Deutsch hören ? :)
The old saying friends don’t let friends do monitors
man how much is that console
Which mix console is that ?
it's an AVID S6L
the importance of stereo in ear monitoring ..
great video but 85 adverts by 7 mins in !! Id rather give you the 23c myself :D
Sorry, it's not us, we have a cpoyright infringement due to the music in the video and the owner of the rights is getting all the money...
What mixer is that?
Nevermind, found it, seems to be an Avid Venue S6L-32D
nice console, but very expensive ;)
I could never be an IEM Mixer... i fear way to much a feedback that will kill the players ears.
You never know if a mic is in reach of a wedge and yea sudden feedback hell.
hm...your vocal of Lucater become more uneven when you've engaged the plugins 😉 C6 would have been a better option.
How is a multiband comp a better option, if i don't want to compress? Dynamic EQs and multiband comps are not the same thing.. ;)
@@paddikrause9304 Hope I didn’t triggered any fuse between us, but C6 can be used in so many ways. You have 2 separate bands in it for ether deessing and depopping, and 4 aditional bands you can bypas and use only 2, so that you can devide the spetrum in 2 that most od the guys from the old erra wish they had with 1176 back then.Also as a singer I would go nuts if my voice would sound like that in my iem’s as we all know that we hear ourselves through the bones too, and that is mainly low end content 🫶🏼 so to get an even sound we need to ether switch phase or compensate with high freq.
@@kdsz944well, I feel like he’s been around long enough to know what he likes to hear in his IEMs.
compensate with hi frequencies?
taming the low-mid frequency content in the vocal channel with the F6 or equivalent does exactly that..
switch phase? on a lead vocalists IEM channel?
what are you talking about?
Just try it and you’ll thank me later! Peace and love 😊
Got it Avid 6 L
Does he say freakincy.....?
i zink i did.