I said a long time ago they need to unlock species and ship specific consoles. More people would buy that particular ship if the console was appealing to their builds.
Speaking of how old these ships are, the Xindi-Insectoid ship is currently the ship that has taken the longest time to reappear in a Mudd's bundle since its original release. The other two ships in this bundle come in second and third. The previous record holder was the Vonph Dreadnought Carrier at 8 years.
They have unlocked consoles in the past like the Amarie Smuggler's Heavy Escort console last year "Supplemental Weaponry Controller" but either is done very quietly unannounced (no patch notes) or gets missed/ignored due to something else in the update or its age. The main issue with some is there are unique visual/mechanics tied to the ship like when they unlocked the console "HoH'SuS Bird-of-Prey" on the Legendary Bortasqu' and it kept breaking things due to the pet being a part of the ship itself so they relocked it.
There are some consoles that should be unlocked, some that should be linked to a ship line, some that should be linked to a faction, and some that should be linked to a ship type. The drama with the Bortasqu' pet summoning console causing visual issues last year shows one of the limitations. Some of the consoles are also so heavily embedded with a ship's identity that their being on other ships kind of lessens the immersion, but that can be balanced out with giving the console extra abilities when on the correct ship/ships. The only ones that really _need_ to be fully unlocked are the ones gotten from events, Lobi/Lockbox/Promo purchases, event ships, and mission rewards due to their methods of procurement. That said, consoles being locked forever to 2-3 ships in the entire game without the consoles having a physical model change on the ship is making them too heavily restricted. Also... given the two Lobi ships this bundle needed the NX Refit in it as well at a minimum. If they have to limit the Mudd's bundles to 3 ships to keep them from getting too expensive for people to actually buy it is an indicator that they are already too expensive for their value.
Unlocking console sets AND breaking up older bundles. As in maybe legendary ships shouldn't always be a bundle only thing. Do THAT many people buy them? I'd love to know the answers to my many questions about who even buys what.
Even with no promo ship is still way more cheaper than any alternative,1 lockbox can cost 300 dollars by a gambling way,if it's in the exchange will be around 1B and if its not in the exchange then will be more expensive,so,with the cost of just 1 lock box ship can purchase the 3 choice option.
I've always liked the design of the Xindi Insectoid ship, so its tempting to get for "Space Barbie" and screenshotting reasons, even if the stats of the ship aren't all that special; but the bundle would have to be on a _seriously_ good sale for me to bother, and even then, it'd probably be better just to wait until the end of the next Event Campaign. Hopefully at some point they might start doing Legendary ships for ships not explicitly associated with the playable factions and things like the Xindi or Cardassian ships etc. might get new versions that are full-spec and up to modern standards.
That is my problem too, the space barbie/collector enthusiast whispers to me but all in all it really doesn't seem worth it. Although I am not sure, if they will give us a better price in the near future.
I think ive only bought one mudds bundle and that was the one with all the kelvin ships haha rarely buy these honestly. Just dont normally have that much zen on hand myself.
I don't understand why they don't make these older ships better, it wouldn't take much work surely to make older ships be good especially since they are the same horrendous price of the new ships
Yeah there wouldn’t be much profit in updating the old ones. Especially since the established player base have played this game a long time, and there the one who would most likely buy, but they probably already had it or have it.
@@shadowki497 That's assuming its the same person who originally made it. Takes more effort to backwards engineer and change things than to make from scratch depending on what needs to be done. Its like buying a second hand car trying to play the radio but the radio buttons control the windscreen wipers for some reason and you know the windscreen wiper button is doing something as you hear a click but dont know what. ;)
I have to say I've never been a big fan of Johnathan 'unlocking' ship exclusive universal consoles and really your central thesis in this video is a good part of the reason why: you start unlocking some consoles leads inevitably to questions being asked 'well why can't this or that console be unlocked too, why not unlock everything?' And yeah on some level the answer to that might be a quick 'yes why not?' but as you later identify in the video the practical answer turns out to be there's like a stupid amount of consoles, and the vast majority of them have pretty niche uses. Not that Johnathan *started* this problem iirc it was initially the 10th Anniversary bundle that started this. But that was a really special bundle that was at the time and in retrospect unique in what it was offering. It establishing a 'precedent' probably wasn't what was intended but then again market pressures no doubt contributed it being passed on in subsequent bundles.
I have no idea why that would even offer this. I'm sorry but I'm not ontersted in a mudd's bundle that doesn't include either universal designs or terran goodbye at this point.
I don't find this bundle compelling. That Edoulg is the most interesting out of the 3 ships, but I don't science much so not worth account-wide at this price for me. I completely agree about unlocking these type of older consoles for added value. Unfortunately it appears DECA will be adopting Cryptic's "old" habits of marketing & reselling. STO seemingly lost a lot of potential innovation when they dismissed Jon H..
I would pay for a token that allowed me to account unlock premium ships i have on one toon. So i can use those traits on other toons. My account IS my character. Even if its 3000 zen i would pay for it
@Stu1701 why we already spent a fortune getting that ship? Shouldn't make it another fortune to account unlock it. It wouldn't mess with the market it at all because you already purchased it one way or the other. They would make a ton of money off 3000 zen a token. I have 6 premium ships I would like account unlocked. That's 15000 zen. Just off me alone. not counting any future ships I get.
Give everyone everything is the absolute worst way to design a game. Gamers will never understand that. Nothing will feel special. Why have a fighting game with 900 characters if everyone has the same moves? Why have an RTS game if all factions have the same units? Exclusive ship consoles should stay exclusive, and Cross-faction flying was the biggest mistake in the history of STO. Nothing in the game feels special anymore.
Fun unique meta things for each faction would have been superb. The game started that way at least but the good designers left cryptic and the bad ones settled in
ok but at this point theres only 1 ship locked console that is really worth anything. it would make no difference if the rest were unlocked. many consoles should not be a console at all but a inbuilt ability of the ship like the typhon console. the idea that i would have to fly a certain ship(which in many cases is a terrible starfleet style ship i would never fly) to use a console means i won't be using that console. if things were the way you want them i would not be buying any of those ships and quite possibly , if everything else was the same , i would be forced to quit the game. imagine only having domino on a terrible event ship, or dprm on those few ships none of which i want to fly. why would i ever care about an event ship again if the consoles were locked? why would i ever buy any starfleet ship again? why would i buy any of the legendary ships ? i would have a lot of slots with nothing but extremely suboptimal stuff in them. Your masterplan of game design means i don't spend anywhere near as much money if any. 'gamers will never understand' ? who are you, non-gamer? what great games have you developed ? our 900 characters do not have the same moves. they have access to many of the same moves if they choose to use them. lucky for the future of the game , non-gamer game design superstars like you are not in control of any game. its laughable really, 'we should restrict players so they will not buy anything we sell because they can only use the stuff on the ship it comes on which is a ship they don't want to fly'. all so you can feel so special.
@@Kyusoath Great points. I am game dev, just not for STO. I understand your statements. Some consoles were design to be used with other ships, some were not. In my opinion ship locked consoles should be buffed by 200 to 300 percent. With this method it gives the player a 'Reason' to actually fly the ship. Giving players a real reason to choose a particular SHIP is nice I understand MOST gamers aren't smart enough to actually make choices, and just want everything POWERFUL everywhere - on any ship. It all comes down to STO devs not being wise enough to actually create good ships and consoles for factions other than the Federation. They didn't understand what faction exclusivity is. So choosing a faction is almost meaningless currently. You get everything anyway. Cross-faction flying was just an excuse for not creating anything for the non-Federation factions, and making sure the Federation players never miss out on anything. That goes for traits, consoles, and everything else. It basically ruined the game. Nothing is special anymore.
Yep the consoles should be unbound. I play enough games and the cash system is bad here. Way to focused on gambling vs making fomo small rotating buys.
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I said a long time ago they need to unlock species and ship specific consoles. More people would buy that particular ship if the console was appealing to their builds.
Lackluster start of the new year honestly IMO par for the course. Thanks for the video STU hope you had a great holiday!
With STO, the new year really doesn't start until the Anniversary event starts
it costs them nothing to sell you busted old ships, so if they sell 1 of these its a profit.
Speaking of how old these ships are, the Xindi-Insectoid ship is currently the ship that has taken the longest time to reappear in a Mudd's bundle since its original release. The other two ships in this bundle come in second and third. The previous record holder was the Vonph Dreadnought Carrier at 8 years.
They have unlocked consoles in the past like the Amarie Smuggler's Heavy Escort console last year "Supplemental Weaponry Controller" but either is done very quietly unannounced (no patch notes) or gets missed/ignored due to something else in the update or its age. The main issue with some is there are unique visual/mechanics tied to the ship like when they unlocked the console "HoH'SuS Bird-of-Prey" on the Legendary Bortasqu' and it kept breaking things due to the pet being a part of the ship itself so they relocked it.
Console Date is at the end of the article and It's Februrary 4th. At least on the german article, but I guess will be the same on the english one.
There are some consoles that should be unlocked, some that should be linked to a ship line, some that should be linked to a faction, and some that should be linked to a ship type. The drama with the Bortasqu' pet summoning console causing visual issues last year shows one of the limitations. Some of the consoles are also so heavily embedded with a ship's identity that their being on other ships kind of lessens the immersion, but that can be balanced out with giving the console extra abilities when on the correct ship/ships. The only ones that really _need_ to be fully unlocked are the ones gotten from events, Lobi/Lockbox/Promo purchases, event ships, and mission rewards due to their methods of procurement. That said, consoles being locked forever to 2-3 ships in the entire game without the consoles having a physical model change on the ship is making them too heavily restricted.
Also... given the two Lobi ships this bundle needed the NX Refit in it as well at a minimum. If they have to limit the Mudd's bundles to 3 ships to keep them from getting too expensive for people to actually buy it is an indicator that they are already too expensive for their value.
This bundle is definitely a pass for me but I agree with it that they need to unbind consoles on these older ships
Unlocking console sets AND breaking up older bundles. As in maybe legendary ships shouldn't always be a bundle only thing. Do THAT many people buy them? I'd love to know the answers to my many questions about who even buys what.
Even with no promo ship is still way more cheaper than any alternative,1 lockbox can cost 300 dollars by a gambling way,if it's in the exchange will be around 1B and if its not in the exchange then will be more expensive,so,with the cost of just 1 lock box ship can purchase the 3 choice option.
Fair point
I've always liked the design of the Xindi Insectoid ship, so its tempting to get for "Space Barbie" and screenshotting reasons, even if the stats of the ship aren't all that special; but the bundle would have to be on a _seriously_ good sale for me to bother, and even then, it'd probably be better just to wait until the end of the next Event Campaign. Hopefully at some point they might start doing Legendary ships for ships not explicitly associated with the playable factions and things like the Xindi or Cardassian ships etc. might get new versions that are full-spec and up to modern standards.
That is my problem too, the space barbie/collector enthusiast whispers to me but all in all it really doesn't seem worth it. Although I am not sure, if they will give us a better price in the near future.
When do we get Refit tokens? You know, the token to update outdated ships... **Wink**
I'm still waiting for the terran akira.
The Miradorn becomes an instant buy if they ever unlock that console. Same for the Husnock.
50k zen for a decade old stuffs that's obtainable for free.
Really...
Maybe fix decade old issues instead.
Nakuhl ship trait actually summons 2-4 temporal Allies
Oh yeah! I think you told me that already and I forgot. Still doesn't make me want the bundle, but maybe for this year's event campaign
@Stu1701 it's definitely not bundle worthy at all
I think ive only bought one mudds bundle and that was the one with all the kelvin ships haha rarely buy these honestly. Just dont normally have that much zen on hand myself.
better make som strong lobi ships, revamp existing lobi ships , and stronger timeship
Even at 50% off, waaayyy over-priced garbage.
I don't understand why they don't make these older ships better, it wouldn't take much work surely to make older ships be good especially since they are the same horrendous price of the new ships
it's more profitable to just make new ships than to update their old ones
Yeah there wouldn’t be much profit in updating the old ones. Especially since the established player base have played this game a long time, and there the one who would most likely buy, but they probably already had it or have it.
It would take a lot less effort to update these older ships, literally just a few lines of code to update them.
@@shadowki497 That's assuming its the same person who originally made it. Takes more effort to backwards engineer and change things than to make from scratch depending on what needs to be done. Its like buying a second hand car trying to play the radio but the radio buttons control the windscreen wipers for some reason and you know the windscreen wiper button is doing something as you hear a click but dont know what. ;)
A bit off topic, but is there any way to get Obliviating phasers outside of the world razor?
Infinity lockboxes or the Exchange
@Stu1701 thanks!
I have to say I've never been a big fan of Johnathan 'unlocking' ship exclusive universal consoles and really your central thesis in this video is a good part of the reason why: you start unlocking some consoles leads inevitably to questions being asked 'well why can't this or that console be unlocked too, why not unlock everything?' And yeah on some level the answer to that might be a quick 'yes why not?' but as you later identify in the video the practical answer turns out to be there's like a stupid amount of consoles, and the vast majority of them have pretty niche uses.
Not that Johnathan *started* this problem iirc it was initially the 10th Anniversary bundle that started this. But that was a really special bundle that was at the time and in retrospect unique in what it was offering. It establishing a 'precedent' probably wasn't what was intended but then again market pressures no doubt contributed it being passed on in subsequent bundles.
I have no idea why that would even offer this. I'm sorry but I'm not ontersted in a mudd's bundle that doesn't include either universal designs or terran goodbye at this point.
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I don't find this bundle compelling. That Edoulg is the most interesting out of the 3 ships, but I don't science much so not worth account-wide at this price for me. I completely agree about unlocking these type of older consoles for added value. Unfortunately it appears DECA will be adopting Cryptic's "old" habits of marketing & reselling. STO seemingly lost a lot of potential innovation when they dismissed Jon H..
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I would pay for a token that allowed me to account unlock premium ships i have on one toon. So i can use those traits on other toons. My account IS my character. Even if its 3000 zen i would pay for it
This is something I've wanted to see for a long time, but if it did ever exist, it would be way more than 3000 zen
@Stu1701 why we already spent a fortune getting that ship? Shouldn't make it another fortune to account unlock it. It wouldn't mess with the market it at all because you already purchased it one way or the other. They would make a ton of money off 3000 zen a token. I have 6 premium ships I would like account unlocked. That's 15000 zen. Just off me alone. not counting any future ships I get.
Give everyone everything is the absolute worst way to design a game. Gamers will never understand that. Nothing will feel special. Why have a fighting game with 900 characters if everyone has the same moves? Why have an RTS game if all factions have the same units? Exclusive ship consoles should stay exclusive, and Cross-faction flying was the biggest mistake in the history of STO. Nothing in the game feels special anymore.
Totally agree.
Fun unique meta things for each faction would have been superb. The game started that way at least but the good designers left cryptic and the bad ones settled in
ok but at this point theres only 1 ship locked console that is really worth anything. it would make no difference if the rest were unlocked. many consoles should not be a console at all but a inbuilt ability of the ship like the typhon console. the idea that i would have to fly a certain ship(which in many cases is a terrible starfleet style ship i would never fly) to use a console means i won't be using that console. if things were the way you want them i would not be buying any of those ships and quite possibly , if everything else was the same , i would be forced to quit the game. imagine only having domino on a terrible event ship, or dprm on those few ships none of which i want to fly. why would i ever care about an event ship again if the consoles were locked? why would i ever buy any starfleet ship again? why would i buy any of the legendary ships ? i would have a lot of slots with nothing but extremely suboptimal stuff in them. Your masterplan of game design means i don't spend anywhere near as much money if any. 'gamers will never understand' ? who are you, non-gamer? what great games have you developed ? our 900 characters do not have the same moves. they have access to many of the same moves if they choose to use them. lucky for the future of the game , non-gamer game design superstars like you are not in control of any game. its laughable really, 'we should restrict players so they will not buy anything we sell because they can only use the stuff on the ship it comes on which is a ship they don't want to fly'. all so you can feel so special.
Cross faction flying was great. It added more options and improved the game
@@Kyusoath Great points. I am game dev, just not for STO. I understand your statements. Some consoles were design to be used with other ships, some were not. In my opinion ship locked consoles should be buffed by 200 to 300 percent. With this method it gives the player a 'Reason' to actually fly the ship. Giving players a real reason to choose a particular SHIP is nice
I understand MOST gamers aren't smart enough to actually make choices, and just want everything POWERFUL everywhere - on any ship. It all comes down to STO devs not being wise enough to actually create good ships and consoles for factions other than the Federation. They didn't understand what faction exclusivity is. So choosing a faction is almost meaningless currently. You get everything anyway.
Cross-faction flying was just an excuse for not creating anything for the non-Federation factions, and making sure the Federation players never miss out on anything. That goes for traits, consoles, and everything else. It basically ruined the game. Nothing is special anymore.
Just unbind IFF please. Nannies everywhere will rejoice.
This bundle is junk. They are just trying to trick people into spending some of the discounted zen before the anniversary bundle comes out.
I am intrested only because i got everything else and dont like the STD ships.
Yep the consoles should be unbound. I play enough games and the cash system is bad here. Way to focused on gambling vs making fomo small rotating buys.