Downfall - German General Helmuth Weidling
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In 1942, young Traudl Junge (Alexandra Maria Lara) lands her dream job -- secretary to Adolf Hitler (Bruno Ganz) at the peak of his power. Three years later, Hitler's empire is now his underground bunker. The real-life Traudl narrates Hitler's final days as he rages against imagined betrayers and barks orders to phantom armies, while his mistress, Eva Braun (Juliane Köhler), clucks over his emotional distance, and other infamous Nazis prepare for the end.
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as you go down the uniforms become more cleaner
As always,any time,any army,any culture,any ethny,any religion,any continent,any era,any system!😂
The villains always have the drip
666 like 😱
Weidling: I need to talk to the Fuhrer
Guard: Why?
Weidling: I'm to be executed.
Guard: Uhhhh... ok.
Yeah, it´s disarming to a certain degree, isn´t it? 🙂
@@tomtom34bYeah, & W added a glimmer of a smile to greater effect...😊
Weird flex but ok
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The character who played Wielding was born on April 20, 1944....so that means he was just a year old when all of this was happening in real 🙀🙀
He's really good for a one year old 😳
Michael Mendl is an amazing actor, and a kind-hearted, good man. I hope we see more of him in war films.
@@spaman7716 😹😹😹 he's even better than the 6 year old Russian kid fighting
@@stoneylonesome4062 he's appeared in over 100 Deutsche films few being about war but man o man him and Mohnke were the two best officers in the film
@@Rome.s_Greatest_Enemy i don't see how 6 y.o Russian related
General Helmuth "Giga Chad" Weidling enters the building. What I find most impressive how he managed to walk so straight with the giant stell balls dangling between his legs.
Dude we all know he has a gigantic spizerhoffen. Damn. Must be massive, like hard to take massive.
Yes....he was ready to kick a** & take names...& he was not phased by the 2 generals one bit...😊
Nickname smasing Carl@@edgaraquino2324
general heuemlt "anoop the bayanaiz" kaminme enters the building. what i find quite impressive was how he managed to walk so straight with the 79.4% of the leg dangling between his arms
No eran bolas de acero......eran bolas de cañón.
That smirk after the " im to be executed".
Nothing but contempt for the bunker people
fun fact: the whole scene was shot in an unused subway-station, which was closed after the berlin- wall was erected in 1961 and never reopened
Wow I did not know that! I love exploring abandoned structures.
What is the name of the subway-station?
@@yeungsalt624that’s pretty cool, how they shot this scene in a train station, it would make a lot of sense tbh, all those walls and such rooms looks like a bunker
Could it be “Alexanderplatz”?
Oui
The soldier who comes with the general is Siegfried Knappe, he wrote his memoirs. The book is called Soldat. (Soldat is German for soldier).
In Norwegian, we also call them soldat. When they have earned it.
probably my english is bad, Soldat is soldier in german language. the book is really interesting and I can recommend it
And in Russian. Soldat means soldier.
Thank you.
‘Soldaat’ also means soldier in dutch
2:13 Weidling shows his Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves and Swords, two ranks above that worn by Burgdorf. Ironically this award would've been approved by Burgdorf himself as head of the Personnel Office.
Las condecoraciones no son rangos
@@Cesarc2 You do not understand the 3rd Reich's decoration system. Hush.
@@Cesarc2 i think it highlights not only is he a quadra-mega chad and double tough, but also that politically he has sway and authority too. a man who gets that award will be connected and influential
This gesture is about the fact that Weidling earned multiple iron crosses in WWI. Thats why he touches his cross and says: You see that? I do not tolerate your scruffy tone.
"I'll inform Lord Vadar. Wait here."
😂😂😂😂
Lord Vader... I mean Vadar accepted his apology
"apology accepted captain needa" !
So he finally had enough of the storm trooper and decided to hire the weremacht
This dude was a badass. I like how he pulled his pack of cigarettes out intent on h aving one last square before his execution but his showing up at the bunker impresssd Hitler so much he cancelled his killing
"Why am I to be shot?"
"You deserted your post"
"No I didn't"
".....yeah you're right. We're promoting you"
"Fuck that shoot me we're fucked regardless"
Compare the state of the General's uniform to the rest of the soldiers and officers in the bunker.
General Weidling's uniform is covered in dirt, dust and grime whilst everyone in the bunker looks like they just had their uniforms washed.
It’s also a judge of character. A true soldier dedicated to duty vs. dressed up ideologues who would flee at the site of gunfire.
well he was just a kilometre away from the front line and his command post was hit by artillery luckily his attendant saved him
@@Rome.s_Greatest_Enemy I know, that's the point I was making.
Don’t worry about 3 days from this scene most would be sent to the reichstag and die their
@@andrewstravels2096nah them ss in real life was the most fanatical of the nazis left most killed themselves after running out of ammunition between them and the foreign ss troops they were the ones to get little mercy so they fought to the death
Fantastic acting in this movie throughout.
One of the most badass scenes in cinema history
He must've rather been shot than continue fighting seeing how calm he was saying he was to be executed!
I think he has seen enough s**t, had to send too many to an inevitable death and heard enough BS from command to succumb to the nonsense.
To be fair, he pretty much says that verbatim after being informed that Hitler put him in charge of Berlin's defense.
Best scene from Downfall
... And he is prepared to answer for the 'crimes' of which he has been found guilty, as ridiculous as they are. I think any man of the line has to appreciate his resolve. He would die before his men were harmed unfairly. Rarely will this be seen again.
He was the only general in Berlin who knew the game was up and wanted nothing more than to surrender to prevent further suffering. As long Hitler and his cronies were alive in the city though that was impossible, as unfortunate as it was.
@@jebbroham1776don’t forget about General Mohnke
Germany had the best uniforms ever, the way they stand to attention is beautiful and the knights cross is great tbh, seeing people salute bc of the medal is wonderful, seeing an iron cross is rare but seeing 2 crosses is legendary
Seeing an iron cross really wasn't all that rare, not in the slightest. However, it was pretty rare to see any grade above the knights cross.
Iron crosses were handed out left and right. Knight's Crosses were rare and coveted however.
Hugo boss
This would have been my move. Not to say that I'm a badass like this guy, but when accused, I think it best to immediately go before your accuser to make them justify their accusations in-person. It catches them off guard. It also denies them an opportunity to circulate rumors.
This general looks like my math teacher at school
Mein Mathelehrer sah noch schlimmer aus und er war es auch.
I wish you had included the bit where Weidling's command post gets hit by Russian artillery. Still, love your work as always Johnny. While I'm here I know I've requested it before, but could you please post the clip from War Horse where the Germans and British rescue Joey from the barbed wire? Thanks in advance.
It's on here somewhere! I would but Disney keeps blocking War Horse on me randomly
considerg wielding was still a general did he still have to answer to a field marshal despite being head of the defence of berlin ?
based on my brief research, i think he answered directly to the army high command/hitler himself and not any specific field marshal
We wasn't head of the Defence of Berlin in this scene!
He was "promoted" by Hitler himself after he was falsely accused and made the complaint, in the next scene....
@@m1ro I believe you are correct...if not, as a Lt. - Gen., Weidling ( 3 star) would have had to report to a FM ( roughly a 5 star) if that was the command setup....
@@edgaraquino2324just to be completely correct, Weidling held the rank General (der Waffengattung), which is indeed equivalent to a three star, but Generalleutnant (Lt. General) was only the second general rank in the Wehrmacht. Only later in the Bundeswehr the German general ranks were aligned with US Army ranks, as was the description of „three stars“
To be technical, any officer of the Wehrmacht below the rank of Generalfeldmarschall was always obligated to submit to orders from a Generalfeldmarschall.
Weidling, thus, would have been required to follow any orders from a Generalfeldmarschall if any had been forthcoming.
However, as things were in Berlin in the battle, the only Generalfeldmarschall of significance was Keitl and he was operating as an administrative head of the Wehrmacht, not concerning himself with the management of the defense of the city. He was "busy" managing the Wehrmacht as a whole, leaving field command to Weidling.
Long and short, Weidling answered directly to Hitler during his tenure as Commander of the Berlin Defenses, no Generalfeldmarschall exercising their authority over him in practice.
“April 1996, the Chief Military Prosecutor's Office of the Russian Federation declared Weidling non-rehabilitative.” 😂 right
I mean he comitted war crimes, like every german general at that time. So im not sad for him
@@leavenoonebehind8015 So does every Allied general at the time, if we are taking the stance of accountability for a low grunt.
@@leavenoonebehind8015Right, and the allies bombed civilians in Dresden, and NUKED Japanese civilians.. But they won the war so that was ok I guess? Fuckin hypocrisy at its finest. Condemn the Germans if you want, they did some fucked up shit. But don't do it from some make believe moral high ground.
If you look at east europe these days it's a shame germany lost@@leavenoonebehind8015
@@PRubin-rh4sr lets not try that kind of equivalence argument.
"I would have rather you shot me"
It is over. 😢
Weidling is tough as nails.
The guards and their slick hair. Really detail.
that’s pretty cool, how they shot this scene in a train station, it would make a lot of sense tbh, all those walls and such rooms looks like a bunker
He was born 2 November 1891 and died 17 November 1955
64 years old?
General Weidling was born in 1891. In WW1 he served with the artillery, then with the airship fleet as first officer and later commander of several Zeppelins.
In WW2 he served in Poland and France, then on the eastern Front. He commanded an "armored corps" in the last stand at the Seelow heights. After the scene depicted here, he was made commander of the Berlin area, under strict orders not to surrender despite the hopelessness. After Hitler shot himself, he ordered the surrender of the remaining forces. His surrender orders were:
"On 30 April 1945, the Führer committed suicide, and so has abandoned those who have sworn loyalty to him.
According to the Führer's order, you still believe you have to continue fighting for Berlin even though our lack of heavy weapons and ammunition as well as the overall situation make further resistance appear meaningless.
Every hour you keep fighting prolongs the horrible suffering of the civilians in Berlin and of our wounded.
Every soldier who would still die at this point would be sacrificing himself in vain.
Together with the commander-in-chief of the Soviet forces I order you to stop fighting immediately.
In 1955, Weidling died of a heart attack in a soviet prison camp.
"died of a heart attack" ... so the Soviets said.
Sad ending for him. Helmuth Weidling wasn't really a Nazi so much as a loyal German officer serving his country, and he served with honor and integrity, he ignored orders for summary execution of commandoes and partisans, treated POWs with respect, and discouraged looting and pillaging by his junior officers. As Commander of the City Defenses during the final battle of Berlin he did everything he could to maintain some semblance of order, stopped the Walking Court-Martials, ignored the orders to flood the subways which would have murdered the civilians sheltering in them, and he surrendered the city to the Russians as soon as he was legally able to do so (as soon as all his superiors were dead or fled). Sadly the Stalin needed an example, someone to put up before the cameras and show how Soviet Justice works, and all the better choices were either dead, fled, or were smart enough to surrender to the West where they had some chance. So Weidling was taken by the Soviets, put on a show-trial, and spent the remainder of his life in a Siberian Gulag.
"While Weidling was in command, XLI Panzer Corps was responsible for an atrocity committed by the Wehrmacht in the Soviet Union during the war. Up to 50,000 civilians were deliberately infected with typhus, and placed in a "typhus camp" in the area of Parichi, Belorussia, in the path of oncoming Red Army forces, in the hopes that would cause a massive outbreak of typhus among the Red Army soldiers. That was noted by the commander of the 65th Soviet Army, General Pavel Batov, months later when it found itself facing the same corps in the Battle of Berlin."
I would never claim that the Soviet late/post-war trials were by any means justice, but this particular guy maybe isn't the one you should try to defend.
@@sammessenger1170 Dude waxing apologia like an edge-lord alt-righter would for Robert E. Lee. The man was a Nazi.
Defending a nazi, holy shit
Weidling was a war criminal.
Even Gunther-Schenck was a war criminal.
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The common Wehrmacht is clean myth...how sad
Every one of those soldiers had to know that within a week they would either be dead or on their way to a Russian POW camp. You have to ask yourself how you would have acted if you were in the German Army in Berlin in April ‘45.
You knew that deserters were executed, so it was either maybe die fighting, or definitely die deserting.
@@Citiesinmotionplayer It would be interesting to know the survival rates of German soldiers that deserted vs those that continued to fight. The numbers may depend on when it was that you deserted.
A really good movie for a nice evening with 🍿 and 🥤.
I've watched it in German.
Man you can really see that SS don't stand the army one bit. I feel like, if Germany had won the war, either group would have been absorbed by the other in the end.
The army would of never stood for it, as was seen durring the night of long knives when the SA tried to become the main military force in germany.
Separate and stratified command and military structure is one of the hallmarks of fascist governments. Why do you think the Waffen SS was created in the first place? To have a parallel military component separate from the Herr. The same reason that in Russia today the Rosgvardiya exists separate from the Army and the FSB.
Several known incidents about clashes happening between the two
@@BjrnOttoVasbottenbjovas yep
But hitler said during the war the SS would be under army command
They picked a great actor for that General
Wonder how the fighting was to fight in the bunker, all those soldiers with STG must’ve been crazy
General Wiedling was a great man
So he wasn't a nazi then?
Some of the greatest Generals ever and the bohemian corporal eventually would not listen to them and sacked many of them.Which turned out to be a good thing for the allies.
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The big difference between a General who is having a hard time on the front defending the German people and the cowards who were hiding in the Bunker
I have read the book soldat highly recomend it!!!
0:53
When he grabs the medal and says you see this, don't talk to me like that... I assumed that was a reference to his rank or a medal for bravery or something that meant he should get more respect. But the other 2 guys have the same medal from the looks of it. Can anyone explain what you think he meant by this? what's he implying / referencing? cheers
I am not sure, but Weidling had the Ritterkreuz with Eichenlaub and Schwertern (knight's cross with oak leaves and swords), while the others seem to miss these extras...
It's amazing, that some people who turned out to be truly vile bastards, still did amazingly heroic things. This general, who grabs his metal as you say, earned it in battle. So did the other two. However, they were ultimately moved into cushier positions, and so even though they carried the same metal, they turned out to be horrible people
Not exactly.. while three of the medal are called Iron Cross there are stage level of it (5 stages if Im not mistaken) and the one that says "continue" have the lowest stage of the medal while the general have Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross with Oak Leaves and Swords which are number 3 out of 5 level. The lowest Iron Cross are common given to soldier that do bravery/heroic act while above that you need do more something special and bigger than that for sure :D
You can check this,
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight%27s_Cross_of_the_Iron_Cross#Knight's_Cross_with_Oak_Leaves_and_Swords
@@radite2177All 3 got the Knights Cross, which was the only Iron Cross worn around the neck. Weidling likely had a few more add-ons like oak leaves, swords, etc. Anyway, no matter the add-ons, getting a Knight's Cross required quite some achievements in the military. Even if all 3 would have the same it still requests a certain level of respect talking to each other which Weidling demanded.
You get add-ons to the medal, basically re-awards. Your service is regarded to be enough to get the highest medal, you already have it, you would receive it again, so you get an add-on instead, basically. And these add-ons would indicate that you earned it several times. That´s what he was pointing out.
For infantry-men and generaly Heer or army units, this would not necessarily be direct action in a fight (you don´t need to take out T34s with satchel charges as a colonel, but if you happen to do so, okey that counts...) , but also leadership of the troops you command and how well you command them. But in the airforce, it was common to advance by air kills. Marseille, aka known as the Star of Afrika, was a fighter pilot who had a much lower rank than Field marshal Rommel or Kesselring, who did completely other things to earn these medals and add-ons respectively. Marseille received the highest degree of addons by air kills vs western pilots.
However Rudel, a Stuka pilot, received all these addons and then.. received these add-ons in GOLD to his Knights Cross, as the only german. This reward was made specifically for him. I guess even Hitler had to salute him first, LOL.
But, yeah, there was a "seniority" in this medal, it came in different classes. So that explains what he was pointing to.
I assume there were two types of soldiers who would get the medal: The ones who deserved it, and knew what it took to receive it, and the ones whose turn it was, and they kinda got it for political reasons. Krebs and Burgdorf strike me as the latter, while Weidling strikes me as the former. The former would never disrespect the latter, but vice versa makes sense.
The real Generals or feldmarschall always use their uniforms with pulcrity and respect but it shows the intesity of the regular operations.
In retrospect... he'd have been better off executed :)
적군이다 아군이다를 떠나 독일군들은 언제봐도 멋지다 ^^~
There's paper pushers soldiers....and then there's real soldiers....
It's Bernd Doppler.
Note the minimal courtesy shown to the General by the 2 SS....if I were him & had the time & inclination, I would have gone up one side & down the other on both of them...
lucky for them you weren't Wielding
those 2 are not SS. they're both in the Heer
@@robowisanveithasung6022 look at the neck collar again they were ss
@@charlietullos6726 I’m talking about these guys in 1:53, the other ones are SS
@@charlietullos6726 Krebs ans Jodl were not SS but Wehrmacht.
The battle commandant of berlin!
"Ich habe mein Leben gelebt, Alfred. Es gibt kein zweites." - Claire Zachanassian
He is for Kelley moore.queen of poland
2:20 Ow, that is a poor translation. Literally he says 'Now do whatever you can't go without doing', a brutal way of saying saying 'Make whatever mistakes your stupidity won't let you refrain from'.
Quite old statement that if someone wants to make a mistake (because they're too stupid), by all means go ahead and we'll see.
They are talking as if he has been denied a day-off on his day-off.
Но много ли шансов выжить оставшись на линии фронта. Расстрел, или продолжить воевать, все равно финал один. Но был еще способ спастись побежав сдаваться к американцам, тогда это было популярное занятие, успеть сдаться американцам. Черчилль даже имел планы использовать нацистов для войны с советами, удивительный человек
Subway tiles?
1:17 he says "guard 2" not guard post 2
i guess its assumed in german
he ok ?
Helmuth kemut kemut
why u shot me in the head
This man died in Soviet captivity in 1955 😢
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Is it der Putlerbunker?
All thsoe poor 😢 people got kill for what 😢
This entire scene couldn't be more German.
What are the rank of this kind of soldier 1:23
The one with the cap is a leutnant, it’s like a 2nde leutnant in the US Army.
Oberscharführer if you are asking about the man at the desk, if you are asking about the man in the cap his collar and lapels would suggest leutnant.
He says he FORBIDS him to take that tone with him. This translation is horrid.
I don't get it. Don't they all have the Knight's Cross?
@@MobiusCoin there's a hierarchy with the Knights Cross itself.... Weidling has a knights cross with an oak and swords while the other two must probably have a lower rank one.
@@MobiusCoin I also think it’s because Weidling earned the Knight‘s Cross unlike many other Officers who just got them awarded.
@@misschanendlarbong9526the others were Hitler's suckers
@@MobiusCoin In the early years of the war, the Knights cross was like the british Victoria cross, the highest order you could get for bravery. To have a Knightscross in 1942 like Weidling was heroic. To have Oakleaves and swords ment that he earned it 3 times. He also wears the "german cross" wich means that he nearly missed out a 4th time. Later but especally after d Day the knightscros was "given aweay" to produce heros for their PR mashinery. To cover the fact that they were loosing the war. To show what the early knights cross meant to the public you can look to the 17th March 1941. On that day, 3 geman submarines engaged a convoy. The three captains been Otto Kretschmer (knights cross) Joachim Schepke (knights cross) and Günter prien (knights cross and objectivly one of the best soilders of all time) went for it and well.... U100 of Shepke was ramed and Schepke died, Prien got sunk and Kretschmer was captured. When the leaders in Berlin learned about that, they decided to give the public only one loss per day, because it would be bad for the moral to loose heros on one day.
(Well technically its the second highest, there was also the "great german cross" but the only person who ""earned"" it, was the person who made it, Göring himself)
Although I generally like Krebs, I didn't like the tone he used on this general.
Shame what happened to Wielding after the war.
sent to a soviet Gulag
@@Yasinburak1992he did war crimes in Russia occupation
He WAS a Nazi...
@@generatione144Just like your poor ukraine in donbass
He's guilty of war crimes, so it's not really a shame.
No smoking ad in 1945
Catching the subway
Ich verbitte Mir diesen schnodderigen Ton.!
Sehen Sie das hier
-Zeigt Eisernes Kreuz
Das ist das Ritterkreuz zum Eisernen Kreuz mit Eichenlaub und Schwertern. So eine Auszeichnung gab es nicht geschenkt
@@FresseAlde83 Zuletzt war er wohl Generalleutnant und General der Artillerie
Opfer wat du bist@@FresseAlde83
Warum ist das so furchtbar nachsynchronisiert?
Europa the Last Battle
A true fanatic.
FACEZIA:MA IN GIAPPONE 8 MILA ANNI FA ERANO DI NOTTE SEMPRE LE STESSE STELLE ?
Was Weidling shot?
He died in a Soviet prison in 1955. 10 years after WW2. One can imagine the horrendous conditions and treatment he endured there.
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I am appalled by the diction & grammar in the comments below. I doubt any of them were posted by English-speaking Germans. They learn our language thoroughly in school.
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Back. On the way front to. Many comments
Biderman's Chart of Coercion
Humiliation and
Degradation
Makes resistance more ‘costly’ than
compliance.
‘Animal Level’ concerns.
Personal hygiene prevented
Demeaning Punishments
Insults and taunts
Denial of Privacy
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В фильме он изображён мужественнее чем он был в реальности.
There was a lot of great actors in this movie, at one point of my life, I thought this movie was real lol. Wish I could’ve seen this in real life
Walking ASMR
Получили тогда ))) и теперь Путин пинка даст
"Do you see this? I dont you to use that tone with me"
"Bro all three of us have that same medal"
All three of them actually earned that medal. It was not an easy medal to get. But he is reminding them at that point.
I think that was a medal from ww1, so the others are too young to have fought in that war, but he did that too
@@leavenoonebehind8015 no that's thr Knights Cross of the Iron Cross. In German Ritterkreuz
Not exactly.. while three of the medal are called Iron Cross there are stage level of it (5 stages if Im not mistaken) and the one that says "continue" have the lowest stage of the medal while the general have Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross with Oak Leaves and Swords which are number 3 out of 5 level. The lowest Iron Cross are common given to soldier that do bravery/heroic act while above that you need do more something special and bigger than that for sure :D
You can check this,
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight%27s_Cross_of_the_Iron_Cross#Knight's_Cross_with_Oak_Leaves_and_Swords
@@radite2177 oooh! Well the joke's on me
DEUTSCHLAND
Hitler didn't even have a college degree man. would Hitler have had a favorite Beatle?
Es ist nur ein Film und nicht mal ein Guter. Die Realität schaut anders aus.
¿Cuál es el título de la película?
Gli avi della politica che sono passati oltre a miglior vita era da molti anni che attendevano l'evento dell'imperatore del Giappone in Inghilterra non solo come tributo a una civilta' come dimenticata dalla vita , al di la' della prevedibilita' tecnica di tale evento PORTATORE DI VOCE DI CHI VIDE BENE IN ME CONFERMO A PRESCINDERE DALLE MAREGGIATE CHE L'INGHILTERRA HA FATTO BENE AD INVITARE L'IMPERATORE DEL GIAPPONE
May someone explain to me, why some soldaten salute the general whilest some do not?
I think most who don't salute him are wehrmacht soldiers who know the war will be over in a few hours, so dont keep up anymore with strict protocol. And the ones who do salute like the one in camo do so because they are fanatic ss soldiers.
The S.S soldiers volunteered so they are more fanatic
FACEZIA:IL PRIMO UOMO SULLA LUNA NON SI SO ACCORTI NEMMENO CHE ROMA ANTICA HA COSTRUITO LE STRADE PURE PER LA VILLEGGIATURA
facezia:la specie cristiana il sesso e' peccato ALLORA IL PRESIDENTE DEGLI STATI UNITI BIDEN AL CAPO DEL GOVERNO ITALIANO LA MELONI
Мне всё же интересно,гитлер был убит,или убежал в США или в другую страну.
FACEZIA:MA IN RUSSIA LE CUGINE C(E)' L'HANNO ?
смерть фашизму- как русскому так и украинскому и всем им то же. Люди живите в мире