Dr. Gerald Horne on Protests and Racism, Interview Only | Useful Idiots
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2020
- Historian and professor Dr. Gerald Horne joins hosts Katie Halper and Matt Taibbi to contextualize the current race protests through a historical lens.
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As a former student of his. I can say that he is a genuine person and a deeply passionate person who cares about his students.
Dr. Horne, you are a superstar.
I'm buying his book..
Hope it’s better than this interview.
If it has many pages you could step on it and reach for a better book.
Great guest! Great interview! I appreciate you all giving him the chance to talk! I enjoy how he connects the history of colonial times to today’s events!
38:30 CONFIRMED: Dr. Gerald Horne is YODA!
Dr. Horne evoked Howard Zinn's Peoples History of the US, a book I read some years ago. Great interview. Thanks.
Great read.
I just bought Dr Horne's book "CONFRONTING BLACK JACOBINS." This is interesting in me as Haïtian.
Dr Horne is a brilliant mind
I think cops see themselves as a class in themselves, and the increasing violent response we’re seeing is evident of their recognition that the existing movement represents an existential threat to their continuing existence. Plot, plan, strategize, organize, mobilize. Rebel in defense of Black lives.
Thanks for the interview with Dr. Horne. I learned a lot 💯
2:51 Why do people, Americans, always forget about Canada all the time?!
Hands down, the best historian I have listened to!!!
Really cool guest.
Changing to a system of direct democracy with universal suffrage would solve most of our problems. It has been proven that larger groups tend to make much better decisions than smaller ones, and right now we have a tiny group of people making all of the decisions, which is precisely why things continue getting worse all the time. It's only the police that stands in the way of our being able to force the government into creating a fair and just system.
Monster Magnet You seem to fail to notice all the tax revenues flowing from those affluent Democrat states to those backward Republican states. But that’s okay. You need it more than we do.
There are many renowned historians who refute the 1619 project in the NYTs - perhaps hv one of them on to debate the historical accuracy or revisionism issue.
Also, him saying folks vote right in the south across class lines doesn’t mean they cant be mobilized for a progressive cause along class lines
I don't think so. Folks in the south are extremely religious, and religion is regressive, not progressive, by its very nature, so they really can't be mobilized for progressive causes along any lines whatsoever.
So exactly what historians are you deferring to?? Because some of these motherfuckers and sitting with tenure at very prestigious universities and they will tell you with a straight face that the Civil War was fought over "states rights". This convenient appeal to authority is cowardly. Historians are not scientists evaluating empirical evidence. Let's stop pretending otherwise. In practice this discipline is extremely arcane. Gutting a chicken and reading it's entrails would yield more consistency than some of these academic elites' interpretation. Hannah-Jones' greatest sin is she deviated from White dogma.
@Alexa M "Huge debt from French-Indian Wars leading to heavy tax on the colonies, French support for American revolutionaries" tertiary issues. Slavery, the driving impetus behind the formation of the union, an outlandish theory, hardly. It's one of the more sane and rational conclusions that can be derived from American history. All else is simply diversion and virtue signaling political correctness.
Bundle of Perceptions “folk in the south are very religious”? Is this not a sweeping generalisation?
@@bundleofperceptions1397 also sweeping inaccurate generalization
Best interview yet!
I love Dr Horn! Fantastic interview!!
Campaign fiance reform was last talked about in the 2008 Democratic Primary. Then it faded away - just like M4all, and immigration reform (dreamers), bringing back Glass Stegall (wall street reform), etc. You can't just blame McConnell and Trump for that. Both parties work for the same master.
Imagine , if you will, the major media outlets commentary on Campaign finance reform, given that they, the media moguls are the recipients of the HUGE share of the $$$$$$ spent on every campaign! Is it any wonder that elections are treated like horse races, and the public should thirst for the pre-race festivities and the all-too predictable results?
Dear Matt & Katie: Illuminating to this story is the fact that most of our large police forces, is their training. Particularly that they are trained in Israel by the IDF and police counter terrorism methods developed from their assaults on Palestinians. The question now is, are we all Palestinians now?
There were "black" men who participated in Bacon's rebellion. It is also the moment white became a "race" and the American social caste system was born.
END THE WAR ON DRUGS
END THE WAR ON DRUGS
bring drug possession prisoners back into society (can't just let them our of jail broke - they need jobs)
*Biden Working Class❓ HAh❗*
sCrappy Joe
Liberals
Doesn't miss a beat it's like a Symphony of historic knowledge with the appropriate dash of humor❤
this is going to trigger the righties and neolib flag wavers
Who cares, at least they'll be triggered...
they cant comprehend shit... also, the algorithm
remember Nixon and Kissinger when their white house was threatened?
Oh yes I've heard Chris Hedges mention this.
That they understood the power of the peoples will, if I remember right.
I and hundreds of thousands were there. There were chain link areas fenced off, barbed/razor wire enclosures designed to hold tens of thousands of citizens in/near the White House. There were thousands of "official" and probably unofficial cops, troops etc of every description. It was a time.
Yes! Nixon was so frightened that he ended The Vietnam War soon after
@@toothbrush5190 If only....3 years later.
The only professor video interview I have seen without being surrounded by 1000 books on the shelf ... haha Interesting interview. That why I hated history in school. Never had a full timeline of history, always separate “ moments in time” showing no cause and effect
In an ideal world, those who seek to catch criminals would be called Criminal Investigators; those who seek to deescalate conflicts of various kinds, would be parts of deescalation teams (called Descale Officers); those who sought to fix familial problems caused by societies ills or soothe the various social problems stemming from a hyper-competitive culture, those people would be called Social Workers (real ones, like those trained by radical organizations in the late 1800s and early 1900s). Police departments, the entire policing structure is based on military ethics, codes and structures; policing is a domesticated military force. If you want it to change, you'll have to do away with structural policing then reconfigure the jobs for those officers.
The problem comes from greedy people with very low ethics.
Bad management = bad police.
Good management = good police.
The bad ones are going to try really hard to make u believe the good are bad and the bad are good.
Satanists...lying, inverting, projecting & delusional.
FOOLS I say, u can just feel the truth in the universe.
The good people vastly outnumber the bad people, but we must come together.
Stay focused, eat healthy and take care.
@@jefdamen2977
"The problem comes from greedy people with very low ethics"
No, Luckily its not the (pretty desperate) "human nature" excuse we've been told, which always was a lazy and desperate attempt to explain structural contradictions in history.
People, human beings, like every living organism but even way stronger, adapt to their living environment and the socio/cultural incentives and dis-incentives given. Our whole "civilisation" is fundamentally based on continous, ^hyper-competitive rules (made by people..) usually called "market-economics" today. Its not economics, its a power-struggle GAME, it's the echoes of feudalism. IAnd it is obsolete now-
"Greed" etc., "bad" behaviour of all sorts! are simply the logical outcomes/strategies of "winning" against "them". Us vs them. Its continous war. - and we find ourself right now in the awakening times realizing and -changing it.
"The good people vastly outnumber the bad people, but we must come together.
Stay focused, eat healthy and take care."
TY! you too-
X!
Hoping for all truth to be revealed, with all the Cameras, available, film every thing that happens, it is evidence!
Thank you Dr. HORNE, for telling it like is. Great respect to you.
Drug test police! It’s relevant and it will unveil some very interesting revelations.
This was the most insightful interview I have every listened too, for real. Dr. G's knowledge of history is second to none, and he makes it so easy to understand it in the context of today. This isn't the history they're teaching you in school...
I hate sounding like a broken record, but much like healthcare, why dont we look at Scandinavian countries and how they police??
they have no-go zones
It is not possible to turn the clock back. We already have a huge problem that stems from the fact that our technology has been able to advance at an extremely rapid pace, but the advancement of society has been slowed dramatically, this creates a schism in society similar to schizophrenia. So to "turn back the clock" would only exacerbate an already detrimental schism in society that it would tear it apart completely, just as if we had tried to time travel. We would have a civil war for sure.
Enlightening
Anybody? What's the name of the intro song of the Useful Idiots ? Love that rift!
15:31 Do not put them in uniforms.
They tend to create communities separate from the ones that they police.
If you don't get anything out of the brilliant interview by Professor Horne get this 19:15-20:50!
What's that song that comes on at the end of the video
Dr Horne is a brilliant thinker. Now to read some of his books...
A brilliant brilliant man
Salute ✊🏾‼️
ok this is epic
why does it sho confusion to switch from Obama to Trump?
@Professor Gerald Horne would you do an interview with Jesse Lee Peterson
How do you change Trump's base? Show them that the 1% is both our enemies. Turn against the wealth hoarders in unity.
When you compare this situation añd how to come out of this to the Irish and Britain, one wonders how was that solved.
YES SIR
@ ~ 14:00, it's simple; dirt simple. Take their cars away. Take them OUT of their cars. Put them back on their feet in the neighborhoods. Have shifts drive them to their patrol zones, and have them on foot all day. Out with and among the people. The transition will take a while, but eventually they will become a appreciated part of the fabric of the communities they "serve." And here's the other thing. This single action will PRE-WEED out all the "WRONG" people to ever going into community police careers in the first place.
The idea is take the welfare check and give it to the jail
Without seeing the recent Ahmaud Arbery Murder +Sunday-In-The-Park incident in NYC, too many of us might disagree that the police are a reflection of their Community.
Didn’t the cops arrest the shooters in the Amaud case and they are being charged with murder?
Didn’t the other cops arrest Floyd’s shooter and he is being charged with murder?
Didn’t the cops essentially side with the black bird watcher over the white woman? No one got arrested and he wasn’t harmed. When a white woman in a park calls the cops on a black dude, and literally the cops do nothing, I don’t see how this is in any way analogous to Floyd’s case, better get an example of cops being shitty or white racism being systemic.
So, what do any of these cases have to do with each other in your mind?
And more importantly, you do realize that a singular cop killing of a singular man is not a trend, or a nation wide systemic issues or even a statical trend.
From the data I could find, it looks like 10 unarmed black men were killed by cops last year, (20 unarmed whites were killed by cops in the same time) and yet 17 people have been killed in the riots alone.
So more people have died in the short window and geography of these riots, than cops have killed unarmed black men in all America’s land mass across all of last year. In a country of over 1/3 of one billion people. And somehow you view this as reflecting on cops across the country, down to your community and mine.
We have a 5x more lethal systemic issue of people being struck by lightning than we have unjust cop killings of black people.
This is some basic bitch woke zealotry mixed with media selection bias. It’s embarrassing.
Oh and just a tidbit about the white lady and the black guy in the park, white women are 1800% more likely to be raped by black men than black women are to be raped by white men.
Statistically speaking, white men rape 0% of black women. If whites stop raping blacks, the total number of blacks who are raped goes down by *0%!* If blacks stopped raping whites however, the total whites raped goes down by 18%.
So... it’s not like white women have zero reason to feel uneasy around a man alone in the woods... better yet a white lady and a black dude.
And black folks, who make up a mere 14% of America, murder, rob, assault, rape and molest over 2x more whites than vice versa.
The interracial rape stats are simply the most extreme example of the myriad ways which blacks victimize whites and no one even pretends to care.
Factually, whites are more likely to be the victims of black violence and sexual crimes than vice versa.
The disproportionate rates of black crime leads to the disproportionate rates of blacks being arrested, killed by cops, in jail. In the exact same way that men are jailed more often, killed more often by cops, compared to women. Women don’t do the same kinds of crimes the same amounts as men. Therefore men get worse outcomes for doing worse shit.
Know this for the fact it is.
this man accounts for more than a few dimensions beyond the Ryan Dawson take on the matter
Persuade through wholesome endeavors the future mothers to consider the requirements of a modern society. Programs have not worked. They have in spite of good intentions created a cadre of under educated/ trained citizens. Corporate America has historically preferred to recruit better educated /trained Europeans. The beat goes on.
Wow, great point: how do you talk to Trump’s base?
trump's base was ready to jump ship for the most part twice and both times was shut down by the democrats who said no we want only who we want in the office and who you want on our side is booted off the ballet both times. Kinda says a lot when you have three people who was ready to receive the so called trumps base on the left and all three suddenly up and dropped out leaving us with Biden who for 40 years was telling poor people that even though the govt made you poor its not the govts responsibility to try to help you and we shouldnt even have social programs. kinda says a lot about the dems to be honest. I dont like trump didnt like him before he spoke about presidency growing up for various personality traits and a face i'd have used a lawn mower on. but unlike others these years at least he isnt actively at least in public telling me i a shit human being for existing and wanting to talk as roughly as i please. cause people want to act like that personality trait is somehow toxic but at least i'm real about myself most politicians and people in power dont want anyone else but themselves to have the luxury to be who they are for better or worst.
Stick to economic populism and protecting the constitution I think. I could be wrong though.
Please invite Yvette Carnell and Antonio Moore to your show to speak about the economic condition of american descendants of slavery
There's better people than them to talk to.
The real oaf in the white house was # 44.
This isn't football dude. Focus on the present.
16:15 even though taking away guns would certainly lower deaths........ the real problem is deeper than that. And it's probably easier to make happen. And that's REAL training. Training that teaches police to be neutral and fair and don't be so defensive (which always leads to offense). That will take WE the people to RESPECT them and not commit violence against them so they can relax too. We need to respect them they need to respect everyone... we need cops. We don't need them to be mindless violence drones ........face it there is a CULTURE that needs to change in what it is to be a Law Enforcer. It's deep in the core training that must reform.
Being a Police Officer is about as hard a job as there is in a lot of ways. We can't just hire anyone who's never been arrested before. IN FACT .......who's to say being arrested should be disqualifying to get that job. Especially with all of today's frivolous arrests...... small drug charges. Standards of Hiring need to change. We need some genius phych experts on both sides to come to consensus on how training needs to morph. Police aren't our enemy. This human nature is strong, and with the corporate control to push the scales........ things can get out of whack.
It can become centralized at the polls putting the leaders into the Gov - Congress for change with...Progressives😀
If the US revolution were fought to preserve slavery then there'd be a documentary record; there isn't one, the non-slave states' contribution to the revolution would be meaningless, but that's just not the case, and then there's the problem that slavery didn't end in England's Caribbean colonies until the 1820s. So Horn is largely wrong about the causes of the American revolution, no matter how many books he's published.
I don't believe he stated it was the sole reason.
10x better interview on the second listen. Idea: get Biden into the WH then pressure the ever-living fuck out of him to move forward on progressive policies.
Con - contextualize - the recent Chapelle covid-fest intense - taking it to the streets
FIRST
This guy really doesn't understand who Bernie Bros are and we're supposed to accept his explanation of who Trump voters may be🤔😵
Tell us about the Bernie Bros myth.
OH MY!!!!! Its the GOOFYGarchy ....communists
"Making a living of their troubles" - Booker t. Washington it will never change, lets be pragmatic 1898 red shirts. North Carolina the human condition is nasty, brutish, and short.
If the ruler is just he will not need oppressive police!!..
#eattherich & bunker boy love it!
Chomsky has published over a hundred so not even close, just sayin.
@Bolaji Windapo books (!)
You can pretend, you're Bigot!
empty shelves! On Karen Hunter Show he was buried by hundreds of books stacked in piles. Wanna pay the Professor a visit and borrow some titles
It's not useful to repeatedly refer to the South as "Dixie."
The Daughters of The Confederacy provided the narrative of the South for the past century. I remember singing Dixie Land in grade school. I grew up in the north. The Confederate Flag is still alive and well.
Deal with it karen.
A tankie but a brilliantly points out spectral truths That Is onesie simply do not exist
Good work but too much of this just seems to blatantly ignore the many other groups who have been drug through the shit.
Native Americans have the worst of all, and a better argument can be made for America’s founding being all about having the ability to declare open season on Indigenous peoples and their lands.
You never hear about Mexican Americans in terms of the Mexican War, and it really seems like the history of the Western states (ex: conquered from Mexico) is just a foot note. Like it’s just not important enough to academics.
But think about the fight against police brutality. In the East it’s certainly a majority black/white issue.
Come out west though, because here the police just brutalize everybody with a “healthy” emphasis on Chicanos and Latinos.
This is why BLM loses people. They don’t want to hear about or discuss the white peoples and Latino peoples who are also gunned down and murdered by the police.
That thinking will never solve or help the issues.
So making slavery the center of American history simply does not adequately address the “problem”.
It’s to late in the game to not have an approach that factors in the persecution of indigenous peoples, descendants of slavery, Chicanos, Asians, the many and various European groups who were also given the exact same treatment. The world is to dire right now for use to further divide as opposed to uniting.
Personally the deeper I have gone into USA history the more nuanced and varied the whole thing becomes. I urge people to be wary of any historian who constricts the lens. Certainly engage with there work, but remember the work of any historian is just a tile in the mosaic. We need a lot of tiles to see what the image actually is.
Dr. Horne states the need to convince trump voters yet resorts to ad hominem attacks on trump. Counterproductive!
Dude is bullshiting hot takes.
@ ~ 22:50 that is childish and naive. Going "back" sentiment isn't about race, despite many of the people you are referring to are white. The truth is, it's about a perceived time (and here's the important point) in THEIR OWN lifetimes (not some distant past) when their worlds were to some degree predictable. Like that or not...support it or not...consider it realistic or mature or not, it is their "feelings." So it really should not surprise any objective observer.
Conversely, it should not alter the impetus for change, etc. Instead, it should simply NOT be used as emblematic of the problem or source of the problem. The "problem" is personal, human, self-worth and empowerment.
Give THESE SAME people a REAL shot at real empowerment and self-worth, and EVEN THEIR nostalgia for other times will become just that - gone by nostalgia and not a desperate "go back" (perceived) insurrection.
But liberals are never...NEVER mature enough to get this right.
I dun even know why rolling stone showing up in my feed....
Don't want propaganda in my feed.
Laters.
Gluck in the war.
@DrGeraldThorne how dare you not mention Chairman Fred?
Like how could you say Mark Clark and not mention Fred Hampton