Great video on a very expensive truck … she did a great job talking about the truck and she has a lot to be proud of! hopefully as time passes less expensive model become available either due to technological advancements or smaller versions (mid size or compact) But for a first out of the gate product, this is very impressive as it will only get better over time
very SPECIAL POLISHED TURD LOL ALSO IF THE BED GETS DAMAGED AND IT'S ONE SOLID PIECE ITS GONNA BE X10 MORE EXPENSIVE TO REPAIR....THIS TRUCK IS ONE PIECE OF SHIET~!
GM wanted to offer an EV with more range than anyone else. Range is a big factor in many people's minds. Range costs money. There will likely be a 250 or 300 mile Range truck for 50k
@@occisoft8082people shouldn't have to pay that much for that kind of range. We get that range easy in gas engines for a much lower cost. They really need to figure out the technology to give us that same range as gas at the same price.
@@SasukeUchiha-zu6dwbatteries are expensive and in short supply. There is no getting around that. Even Tesla can't make enough batteries. Billions are being spent to increase range and decrease price. Gas trucks have been around for 100 years and are still only 30% efficient.
@@golfish8589 I have a feeling it's going to be a long time then before gas is replaced. Sounds like mandates were premature. Yes gas may be inefficient but batteries have a long way to go to match the energy density of gas.
@SasukeUchiha-zu6dw you are only looking at one cost. You are forgetting that charging at home or at the business will save on fuel costs and that there is less maintenance that needs to be performed. There are also tax credits that need to be taken into account. Actual businesses can make these calculations and decide if this makes financial sense unlike people online bitching about the cost of pickups.
The power output should be fine for those with gas appliances. I spent a week running my whole house off a 7kW generator fed into my panel last February. I have a gas oven, furnace, and hot water heater and no issues running everything.
Give it a few more years when battery storage density doubles and super charging networks are ubiquitous. Then prices will fall significantly as you wont require a range of more than 300 miles, as the new EVs will charge in about 10 minutes to 80% at a 400 kW charging rate.
For real. Can you imagine a company buying these? 😂 some 20 buck a hour construction workers destroying 70k “work trucks” “damn it Justin just wrecked another one”
@@cbskwkdnslwhanznamdm2849 That is a low bar. She specifically mentioned "Fleet buyers" now there may be some very specific needs a low % of flee buyers would find this appropriate for but I would guess 95% of fleet buyers will not look twice at this. Even at 1/2 the cost you will still find many fleet buyers not interested. The "we bolted an ipad to the dash" look is very cringe on something this expensive as well IMO. Even if I had unlimited funds there is no chance I'm buying that and I am NOT anti-EV.
That was my thought. I've been on board with EVs for years now, but how can manufacturers say "eVs ArE thE fUtuRe" if they make a WORK TRUCK that costs $80k? They _have_ to make them more affordable.
@@backwoodstherapy It's not just the EV's, but there is a lower ranged vehicle that costs less, so this is an optioned work truck, and there are optioned work trucks powered by gasoline. This is the 4th trim level in the work truck space.
EVs are still rapidly evolving. The high price tag is no surprise. What people need to understand is in part because of this, it makes no sense for an auto manufacturer to make an "entry level" untested unproven product in high volumes. If they screw up, they would have massive recall costs and the probability of screwing up an EV product is high, compared to a run of the mill ICE product that they're more familiar with. It's an exercise in risk management, whilst dipping the toes into the EV markets. New products are rarely ever priced for the mass market. They are priced for high end low volume markets.
people shouldn't have to pay that much for that kind of range. We get that range easy in gas engines for a much lower cost. They really need to figure out the technology to give us that same range as gas at the same price.
GM priced this truck for low volume sales. The average pickup truck buyer can’t swing the monthly payments on a $80k + pickup. ICE pickups will continue to sell very well until price parity comes into play. Once that happens buyers will pivot towards BEV pickups.
Once the gas station mentality is taken out of the equation, and you start thinking about plugging in when not in use (I.E. overnight AC charging) the idea concerning cost begins to shift towards how operating an ICE pick up is more expensive over the life of this pick up truck.. With that said the out the door price is a high hurdle on all full size 2024 pick up trucks compared to a few years ago. If your needs and budget fits these specifications this is a good buy over ICE.
The MultiPro tailgate is only a couple hundred bucks of an option, so why market that tailgate as a "pro" option if it wouldn't be available on what you consider to be your actual work truck?
I am sold on GM vehicles. I am just what she said “ I am connected to the road” it is so confident inspiring it really trips me out how many people hit their brakes on even emerging on a different highway. It is not that we are showing out it is strictly the vehicle.
I was really impressed with the chief engineer, it made a lot more sense why she seemed to have the same priorities as I did since she is a truck owner. The Silverado EV has been insanely impressive even with the price hike.
Trailer-brake re-gen sounds like a great way to get power! I want to see power/weight ratios of 100% EVs and if there would be a maximum of how much battery you can use...
I’ve heard it said on TFL that we are in the Model T stage of EVs. I’d say we’re actually in the period before the Model T, when automobiles were pretty much limited to the well off. What we really need is the Model T of EVs, which would be a practical but not fancy EV that just about everyone can afford. Of course, we also need the infrastructure for EVs, but that was a problem with early automobiles, too. It’s not like there were gas stations on every street corner in 1910.
No there was not a gas station on every corner in 1910, BUT, folks were also NOT accustomed to traveling anywhere they wanted at anytime, day or night, using their ready and waiting car/truck. There were NO expectations that needed to be met. EV's are still a less for more proposition for some, not all, but many. I personally could care less about how fast they can accelerate I take ENJOYMENT from operating my ICE's. A glorified golf cart with an ipad for a dash is borderline repulsive to me, and thats if they were giving them away. lol
Well if 450 is correct, that’ll be great. Because I just filled up my 2021 SCTB with the 6.2L & the dash says 324 miles till empty & it cost me almost $100 bucks. The real issue though, is this truck only cost me a little over $46,000.
I’d really like to know, and not in a smart ass way, what companies would order a 80K work truck ev? I know people can get energy rebates and other tax write offs but surely it’s not enough to make up over an ICE truck.
If they consider 78k for a base model work truck that we can't buy! Yet they still have an rst@85k and they call that affordable? I see only the super rich wanting to buy it! Or the ones that want that niche vehicle! It's a nice truck but I will stick with my ice truck !
At that price point, it would a hard sell to folks that would actually use it for work. There is no insensitive for a business owner, tradesman to buy this truck, even with the tax benefits and write offs, when you can buy a cheaper heavy duty.
The reason these trucks will eventually fail is the battery... As you said yourself the battery in the F150 Lightning is "not big enough" and it is an obscenely large battery for any vehicle. The battery in the Hummer and Silverado are a Big Fat Joke they are so big. The amount of resources just to make one of those things is nuts. Hydrogen Fuel Cell makes far more sense in these big vehicles instead of a gargantuan battery. What would make even more sense (which is why GM never did it) is a Volt style architecture with a battery big enough for 100 miles EV range to cover 90% of anyone's daily driving and a gas engine when the battery runs out for towing across country and not worry about range or charging on the road.
Yeah you need at least a 7 kw genset to power your small house. An average 100amp main setting i would say.Might still have to load shed if you have Ac or heat pump or something.
For the large majority of truck owners, these EV trucks will do everything they need, and do it very well. Not for heavy towing, not for road tripping, certainly not for road tripping while towing heavy. The guy who only uses his truck bed when he gets some lumber from home depot or bags of mulch from the nursery (most guys) doesn't need a truck that can do a perfect Ike Gauntlet run while max towing. The biggest drawback from EVs today is certainly up front cost. The second biggest drawback is the cost of the battery pack if it needs be to replaced. Your very expensive EV will get totaled by the insurance company at a relatively young age because of the cost of a replacement battery cost should it be damaged in an accident. And lastly, resale, who then heck wants to buy a vehicle with an "old" battery pack....
What is G.M. doing building unwanted vehicles like this?!? They have definitely forgotten thier ways. Kind of the reason my last two vehicles have been a Honda CRV and a Toyota Rav4.
They did toss about 900 million into the next gen V8 so I think they are going to be just fine. They themselves said V8's planned until at least 2040. That should be enough to cover me for the rest of my driving life most likely. Nothin wrong with toyota or honda but they don't make anything that would suit our needs(don't personally care for them anyways), no 3/4 ton or 1 ton.
I expect a work truck to have a payload capacity in excess of 3500 lbs, 8 foot bed option, 8 lug axles, and a chassis can option so a service body or flat bed can be put on it. They need to consult utility workers on what they need because most likely municipalities will be a major customer with government so interested in green policy. Not that EVs are environmentally friendly, but that's what governments believe.
@@JoeyBlogs007 what if I mention that electric vehicles were first introduced in the early 1900’s. And Toyota is using NIMH batteries in the 1990’s in there most expensive vehicle the Land Cruiser.
Another good video I still think were not that close to going to ev the power grid won't handle it and trip planning is a problem finding chargers even know that Tesla has got GM, and Ford to use their chargers which is another issue super chargers and basic chargers why not all super chargers
Gee, what I heard is that GM wasn;t going to make the WT1 at all and is considering starting with WT3 trim as lowest to offer to non-fleet customers. WT3 starts at ~$73K?? So forget affordable by anyone’s imagination ….
First thing ya'll are awesome very informative but on powering a food trailer usually isn't much because it's like a camper in that the cooker and a refrigerator is powered by propane
Nice interview and overview of the truck! I’m really hoping that either they, or Ram comes out with EV truck and payload of 1800 that can fit a camper on it with the 400+ mileage. This truck isn’t for me.
@samiaziz2665 Just companies who state a product will cost $40K less than what it really costs. That's not a "we didn't know it would cost more" issue. That's a "we are intentionally lying to get free promotion" issue. "Look everyone! We have a $40K EV Truck! Just kidding! F You!"
Andre and Roman - Great interview. One thing to say - To Nicole (and EVERY GM exec): their Silverado EV WT4 ‘showpiece’ has decent capability as an EV truck goes, but I will NEVER pay >$70K for a vehicle. It’s not a house, it doesn’t have infinite range, it doesn’t come with a chauffeur (person, not electronic). Not buying stupid expensive vehicles any more. Period. GM and the other manufacturers are lost.
And building a “ground up” EV makes the gas variant accessories obsolete for people who transition from one to the other. Where as Fords have interchangeability.
I don't mind the government involvement in the car industry to make sure we are safe and not being taken advantage of. But with so many regulations, they are making vehicles more expensive. Not to mention, this push for electric cars is ridiculous because the infrastructure is not there to support it. Also, electric cars are not saving the planet. Keeping vehicles longer is key in making a difference.
First off, the lead engineer openlying admits and even jokes that prior to being made lead engineer on the EV project that she'd never worked on or even drove any EV technology. Seems sketchy. Second, when asked about the advertised base price (will actually be way more once on the dealers lot), she brags that you can get government rebates and tax subsidies on the EV vehicles. So here is what that sounds like to me. GM (and the other big 3 companies) new EV technologies and all their new infrastructure was massively subsidized UP FRONT by the tax payer thru federal, state, and local handouts and tax rightoffs right from the start. They are not paying taxes on any EV sales, and all their new manufacturing is tax-free. The funny thing is that on their manufacturing, they received the tax credits UP FRONT and have yet to even build most of that infrastructure and probably never will for the most part, yet still reaping the tax credit benefits. Now, the government will be shelling out more money on sales rebates and tax credits on vehicle purchases. Considering 98% of all EV sales are higher end, higher priced vehicles, only the rich and already well-off people will be buying them. SO.... the middle class (tax class) once again foots the bill for the top class technology, infrastructure, and high-end goods. It's as clear as day but almost nobody gets it. They just want a fancy new EV car so they can keep up with the joneses. Classic American Idiocracy.
I don’t know who their customers are going to be. No one in the trades will purchase that. It’s too expensive, and if they need to tow they’ll buy a beat up sterling or international to tow. Most fleet/tradesmen want basic features maybe automatic windows, and maybe two power trains. A v8 or a low output good fuel efficent alternative
Tell me, where are all of those EV Trucks and Cars are going to charge. The electric plants and so-called green energy producers are not ready for EV's yet!!!
22:40 SO, 1400lbs payload. 10,000lbs towing. With 10% of the towed weight on the hitch that leave you with a whopping 400lbs for ALL PASSENGERS and luggage. Hmmmmm "According to Statista, the average self-reported weight for US adults in 2023 was 199 pounds for men and 164 pounds for women." So lets take the average of the two, so about 180lbs(the "data" is "self reported" and I am sure no one ever fibs about their weight lol.) So MAYBE a healthy family of four, with no dogs, no bags and skipping breakfast that day MAY be able to take advantage of that 10000lbs towing without exceeding the payload. I would not be surprised if the computer can sense over payload on such a hi-tech device so not sure if "rolling the dice" as many do with payload "suggestions" on other trucks will fly with this one. They are NOT doing themselves any favors by starting with such high priced vehicles. It will take YEARS for EV's to shake the "overpriced" reputation they are giving themselves. In my industry I can have three bottles on the shelf, a small bottle that last a month, a medium 2 month supply, and a large 3 months supply. 9/10 times the customer picks up the largest bottle, looks at the price and states, "Wow thats really expensive" and its an uphill battle explaining to them the price per day and how affordable it really is. Heck go buy a 3 month supply of something you eat or drink everyday, of course it seems like alot. Imagine paying for a months worth of starbucks upfront, how many would do that? I digress, these top of the line(I don't care if you call it work truck it's twice the price of a base ICE WT) are the wrong way to go.
All that said, the fundamental flaw with EV's lays outside the vehicle. And that is the reality that the Grid does not have enough energy production capacity to recharge all these electric vehicles. And it's not feasible to build enough power plants to keep up with the rising demand. Palo Verde Generations station took a little over 11 years to complete, with unit 1 starting construction on May 25th, 1976, unit 2 and 3 beginning a week later. Unit 3 wasn't complete until January of 1988. This Power Station cost approximately 14 billion dollars in today's money. And to meet the demand of EV's as mass market vehicles, the equivalent of 3 of these power stations would have to come on line every year. So 42 billion dollars would have to be spent every year to begin construction of 9 nuclear reactors every year, and we'd still have a 10 year deficit of energy production. But just to be at this level of energy investment we would require a Government that was Militantly Hostile to the environmental lobbyists, litigators, and protestors who are both the primary demographic for the EV's, who are hypocritically Militantly Hostile to building the power infrastructure needed to recharge them.
You don’t have pressure on you because GM always follows up on the innovator that is Ford. Ford will do the hard work, GM will send its people to a Ford assembly plant and learn.
Well duh!…of course the towing energy drop off is the same between gas and electric…the elephant in the room is the ice can refuel in 10 minutes to go max towing range right away. The ev has to condition battery and if your gonna charge to match the full tank of the ice, good luck!…that weekend trip journey just became a lot longer. Mail and bread trucks. That what these are gonna be good for🤦♂️
batteries are expensive and in short supply. There is no getting around that. Even Tesla can't make enough batteries. Billions are being spent to increase range and decrease price. Gas trucks have been around for 100 years and are still only 30% efficient.
She is the ultimate privileged chief engineer. Doesn't know the conversion from gallon of gas to KWH, really!! I don't believe her towing numbers. Anyways this truck is not available to consumers so why bother. We get shafted for the RST, so you would pay 120k for it and with dealer markup and taxes you will be at 150k. You need a mortgage to pay for that.
@@joelmora2826 Right, never seen someone so protective of their vehicle. Usually people like to show their vehicle. When I saw Andre open the doors I was waiting for her to pounce
@@Dankcatvacs well true. But that's like saying until your ice motor blows up! Kind of a big deal either way. So still expensive but. The battery pack has cell packs that can be replaced if they go bad.
@@mikefreigruber1098coworker of mine has been waiting on a battery replacement for his Nissan Leaf. Covered under warranty but still waiting after 7 months. Nissan is paying for his rental. Someone at Nissan can’t do math. Would have been a lot cheaper to buy back the car.
I do not want a vehicle that requires a lot of money to run and takes a lot of money to maintain. In other words, I do not want a gasoline-powered vehicle, and I prefer not to walk.
Great video on a very expensive truck … she did a great job talking about the truck and she has a lot to be proud of!
hopefully as time passes less expensive model become available either due to technological advancements or smaller versions (mid size or compact)
But for a first out of the gate product, this is very impressive as it will only get better over time
Less expensive means smaller battery which means it will be even more hopeless as a work vehicle.
very SPECIAL POLISHED TURD LOL ALSO IF THE BED GETS DAMAGED AND IT'S ONE SOLID PIECE ITS GONNA BE X10 MORE EXPENSIVE TO REPAIR....THIS TRUCK IS ONE PIECE OF SHIET~!
All I really thought was that GM has a different market in mind at $80k. Obviously not a small business truck and very much a niche truck.
GM wanted to offer an EV with more range than anyone else. Range is a big factor in many people's minds. Range costs money.
There will likely be a 250 or 300 mile Range truck for 50k
@@occisoft8082people shouldn't have to pay that much for that kind of range. We get that range easy in gas engines for a much lower cost. They really need to figure out the technology to give us that same range as gas at the same price.
@@SasukeUchiha-zu6dwbatteries are expensive and in short supply. There is no getting around that.
Even Tesla can't make enough batteries.
Billions are being spent to increase range and decrease price.
Gas trucks have been around for 100 years and are still only 30% efficient.
@@golfish8589 I have a feeling it's going to be a long time then before gas is replaced. Sounds like mandates were premature. Yes gas may be inefficient but batteries have a long way to go to match the energy density of gas.
@SasukeUchiha-zu6dw you are only looking at one cost. You are forgetting that charging at home or at the business will save on fuel costs and that there is less maintenance that needs to be performed. There are also tax credits that need to be taken into account. Actual businesses can make these calculations and decide if this makes financial sense unlike people online bitching about the cost of pickups.
Andra ,great honest non bias opinion !
The power output should be fine for those with gas appliances. I spent a week running my whole house off a 7kW generator fed into my panel last February. I have a gas oven, furnace, and hot water heater and no issues running everything.
Give it a few more years when battery storage density doubles and super charging networks are ubiquitous. Then prices will fall significantly as you wont require a range of more than 300 miles, as the new EVs will charge in about 10 minutes to 80% at a 400 kW charging rate.
This is not a work truck, its a look what i've got truck!
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For real. Can you imagine a company buying these? 😂 some 20 buck a hour construction workers destroying 70k “work trucks” “damn it Justin just wrecked another one”
If you can accomplish lots of work with it then it’s a work truck.
Nobody is insisting you purchase it. Nobody is forcing you to look. Next !
@@cbskwkdnslwhanznamdm2849 That is a low bar. She specifically mentioned "Fleet buyers" now there may be some very specific needs a low % of flee buyers would find this appropriate for but I would guess 95% of fleet buyers will not look twice at this. Even at 1/2 the cost you will still find many fleet buyers not interested. The "we bolted an ipad to the dash" look is very cringe on something this expensive as well IMO. Even if I had unlimited funds there is no chance I'm buying that and I am NOT anti-EV.
All you really need to know is that it costs 80k for this work truck.
Yeah no thanks. This ain't no work truck. This is big golf cart.
That was my thought. I've been on board with EVs for years now, but how can manufacturers say "eVs ArE thE fUtuRe" if they make a WORK TRUCK that costs $80k? They _have_ to make them more affordable.
@@backwoodstherapy It's not just the EV's, but there is a lower ranged vehicle that costs less, so this is an optioned work truck, and there are optioned work trucks powered by gasoline. This is the 4th trim level in the work truck space.
With 500 mile range!! Ev haters will always fins something to complain about
EVs are still rapidly evolving. The high price tag is no surprise. What people need to understand is in part because of this, it makes no sense for an auto manufacturer to make an "entry level" untested unproven product in high volumes. If they screw up, they would have massive recall costs and the probability of screwing up an EV product is high, compared to a run of the mill ICE product that they're more familiar with. It's an exercise in risk management, whilst dipping the toes into the EV markets. New products are rarely ever priced for the mass market. They are priced for high end low volume markets.
people shouldn't have to pay that much for that kind of range. We get that range easy in gas engines for a much lower cost. They really need to figure out the technology to give us that same range as gas at the same price.
EVs are getting cheaper and their range keeps getting better. But its gonna take a while til they surpass ICE cars. Maybe another decade?
You don't have to pay that much. Don't buy it.
GM priced this truck for low volume sales. The average pickup truck buyer can’t swing the monthly payments on a $80k + pickup. ICE pickups will continue to sell very well until price parity comes into play. Once that happens buyers will pivot towards BEV pickups.
Once the gas station mentality is taken out of the equation, and you start thinking about plugging in when not in use (I.E. overnight AC charging) the idea concerning cost begins to shift towards how operating an ICE pick up is more expensive over the life of this pick up truck.. With that said the out the door price is a high hurdle on all full size 2024 pick up trucks compared to a few years ago. If your needs and budget fits these specifications this is a good buy over ICE.
have reservation for a Cyber truck, probably get it in two years ,is my guess.
Thank you for asking the hard questions Roman especially about the cost; I totally agree the midgate seems like a no brainer for a work truck.
The MultiPro tailgate is only a couple hundred bucks of an option, so why market that tailgate as a "pro" option if it wouldn't be available on what you consider to be your actual work truck?
I am sold on GM vehicles. I am just what she said “ I am connected to the road” it is so confident inspiring it really trips me out how many people hit their brakes on even emerging on a different highway. It is not that we are showing out it is strictly the vehicle.
I was really impressed with the chief engineer, it made a lot more sense why she seemed to have the same priorities as I did since she is a truck owner. The Silverado EV has been insanely impressive even with the price hike.
Trailer-brake re-gen sounds like a great way to get power! I want to see power/weight ratios of 100% EVs and if there would be a maximum of how much battery you can use...
I’ve heard it said on TFL that we are in the Model T stage of EVs. I’d say we’re actually in the period before the Model T, when automobiles were pretty much limited to the well off. What we really need is the Model T of EVs, which would be a practical but not fancy EV that just about everyone can afford. Of course, we also need the infrastructure for EVs, but that was a problem with early automobiles, too. It’s not like there were gas stations on every street corner in 1910.
Yes but I won't shell out 100k to be a beta tester
No there was not a gas station on every corner in 1910, BUT, folks were also NOT accustomed to traveling anywhere they wanted at anytime, day or night, using their ready and waiting car/truck. There were NO expectations that needed to be met. EV's are still a less for more proposition for some, not all, but many. I personally could care less about how fast they can accelerate I take ENJOYMENT from operating my ICE's. A glorified golf cart with an ipad for a dash is borderline repulsive to me, and thats if they were giving them away. lol
Please find out about toppers for both the WT and the RST
She seems very friendly and knowledgeable !
Well if 450 is correct, that’ll be great. Because I just filled up my 2021 SCTB with the 6.2L & the dash says 324 miles till empty & it cost me almost $100 bucks. The real issue though, is this truck only cost me a little over $46,000.
I’d really like to know, and not in a smart ass way, what companies would order a 80K work truck ev? I know people can get energy rebates and other tax write offs but surely it’s not enough to make up over an ICE truck.
Electric Companies will be buying up as many electric trucks as they can get their hands on.
@@SunnynPhilly Absolutely.
well worth the wait
If they consider 78k for a base model work truck that we can't buy! Yet they still have an rst@85k and they call that affordable? I see only the super rich wanting to buy it! Or the ones that want that niche vehicle! It's a nice truck but I will stick with my ice truck !
What happens when you're off roading on a difficult trail with pointy rocks and you puncture the batteries?
When they give the range do they account for most contractors that keep 1000 pounds of tools on board?
So 80k for the big battery chassis (tax credit) + Trail boss package is what price?
At that price point, it would a hard sell to folks that would actually use it for work. There is no insensitive for a business owner, tradesman to buy this truck, even with the tax benefits and write offs, when you can buy a cheaper heavy duty.
It's a decision that can only be made upon cost / benefit calculation.
The reason these trucks will eventually fail is the battery... As you said yourself the battery in the F150 Lightning is "not big enough" and it is an obscenely large battery for any vehicle. The battery in the Hummer and Silverado are a Big Fat Joke they are so big. The amount of resources just to make one of those things is nuts. Hydrogen Fuel Cell makes far more sense in these big vehicles instead of a gargantuan battery.
What would make even more sense (which is why GM never did it) is a Volt style architecture with a battery big enough for 100 miles EV range to cover 90% of anyone's daily driving and a gas engine when the battery runs out for towing across country and not worry about range or charging on the road.
I like that they finally got a cab the right size. My biggest complaint on the GM trucks ow just how small the cab was compared to a Ram
Yeah you need at least a 7 kw genset to power your small house. An average 100amp main setting i would say.Might still have to load shed if you have Ac or heat pump or something.
For the large majority of truck owners, these EV trucks will do everything they need, and do it very well. Not for heavy towing, not for road tripping, certainly not for road tripping while towing heavy. The guy who only uses his truck bed when he gets some lumber from home depot or bags of mulch from the nursery (most guys) doesn't need a truck that can do a perfect Ike Gauntlet run while max towing. The biggest drawback from EVs today is certainly up front cost. The second biggest drawback is the cost of the battery pack if it needs be to replaced. Your very expensive EV will get totaled by the insurance company at a relatively young age because of the cost of a replacement battery cost should it be damaged in an accident. And lastly, resale, who then heck wants to buy a vehicle with an "old" battery pack....
What is G.M. doing building unwanted vehicles like this?!? They have definitely forgotten thier ways. Kind of the reason my last two vehicles have been a Honda CRV and a Toyota Rav4.
They did toss about 900 million into the next gen V8 so I think they are going to be just fine. They themselves said V8's planned until at least 2040. That should be enough to cover me for the rest of my driving life most likely. Nothin wrong with toyota or honda but they don't make anything that would suit our needs(don't personally care for them anyways), no 3/4 ton or 1 ton.
Great video. Thank You to GM for the access.
I expect a work truck to have a payload capacity in excess of 3500 lbs, 8 foot bed option, 8 lug axles, and a chassis can option so a service body or flat bed can be put on it. They need to consult utility workers on what they need because most likely municipalities will be a major customer with government so interested in green policy. Not that EVs are environmentally friendly, but that's what governments believe.
I love the way how confident she sounds!!!
I hate expensive “entry level” vehicles with a passion 🙃
Lucky you wont have to buy one. EVs are still rapidly evolving. The high price tag is no surprise.
@@JoeyBlogs007 what if I mention that electric vehicles were first introduced in the early 1900’s. And Toyota is using NIMH batteries in the 1990’s in there most expensive vehicle the Land Cruiser.
Another good video I still think were not that close to going to ev the power grid won't handle it and trip planning is a problem finding chargers even know that Tesla has got GM, and Ford to use their chargers which is another issue super chargers and basic chargers why not all super chargers
Gee, what I heard is that GM wasn;t going to make the WT1 at all and is considering starting with WT3 trim as lowest to offer to non-fleet customers. WT3 starts at ~$73K??
So forget affordable by anyone’s imagination ….
42:55 A CRANK. Good Lord, how can an automotive engineer and journalist not know this term?!
I heard someone say that they need to make choice; a house or a truck.
She reminds me of that teacher who raises her hand to ask a question right when the staff meeting ends….
First thing ya'll are awesome very informative but on powering a food trailer usually isn't much because it's like a camper in that the cooker and a refrigerator is powered by propane
Do you have to use both spots to lower the spare tire
79K for a 200+ kWh battery. That's pretty damn good.
Nice interview and overview of the truck! I’m really hoping that either they, or Ram comes out with EV truck and payload of 1800 that can fit a camper on it with the 400+ mileage. This truck isn’t for me.
Yes you can go 100 miles more than Ford but the battery is nearly 100kw bigger… even tho the battery size hasn’t been confirmed
Great episode guys, thanks.
What is the lithium batteries composition?
an average home refrigerator uses 350-780 watts.
Rather than a spare tire lock, you have to unload the bed. Not the best idea.
Honestly, GM stating $39K then not sticking with it... they should get sued. Tired of companies with fake low sticker prices with no repercussions.
That means you would have to sue everyone 😂
@samiaziz2665 Just companies who state a product will cost $40K less than what it really costs. That's not a "we didn't know it would cost more" issue. That's a "we are intentionally lying to get free promotion" issue.
"Look everyone! We have a $40K EV Truck! Just kidding! F You!"
Andre and Roman - Great interview. One thing to say - To Nicole (and EVERY GM exec): their Silverado EV WT4 ‘showpiece’ has decent capability as an EV truck goes, but I will NEVER pay >$70K for a vehicle. It’s not a house, it doesn’t have infinite range, it doesn’t come with a chauffeur (person, not electronic). Not buying stupid expensive vehicles any more. Period. GM and the other manufacturers are lost.
And building a “ground up” EV makes the gas variant accessories obsolete for people who transition from one to the other. Where as Fords have interchangeability.
I don't mind the government involvement in the car industry to make sure we are safe and not being taken advantage of. But with so many regulations, they are making vehicles more expensive. Not to mention, this push for electric cars is ridiculous because the infrastructure is not there to support it. Also, electric cars are not saving the planet. Keeping vehicles longer is key in making a difference.
First off, the lead engineer openlying admits and even jokes that prior to being made lead engineer on the EV project that she'd never worked on or even drove any EV technology. Seems sketchy. Second, when asked about the advertised base price (will actually be way more once on the dealers lot), she brags that you can get government rebates and tax subsidies on the EV vehicles.
So here is what that sounds like to me.
GM (and the other big 3 companies) new EV technologies and all their new infrastructure was massively subsidized UP FRONT by the tax payer thru federal, state, and local handouts and tax rightoffs right from the start. They are not paying taxes on any EV sales, and all their new manufacturing is tax-free. The funny thing is that on their manufacturing, they received the tax credits UP FRONT and have yet to even build most of that infrastructure and probably never will for the most part, yet still reaping the tax credit benefits.
Now, the government will be shelling out more money on sales rebates and tax credits on vehicle purchases. Considering 98% of all EV sales are higher end, higher priced vehicles, only the rich and already well-off people will be buying them. SO.... the middle class (tax class) once again foots the bill for the top class technology, infrastructure, and high-end goods. It's as clear as day but almost nobody gets it. They just want a fancy new EV car so they can keep up with the joneses.
Classic American Idiocracy.
I don’t know who their customers are going to be. No one in the trades will purchase that. It’s too expensive, and if they need to tow they’ll buy a beat up sterling or international to tow. Most fleet/tradesmen want basic features maybe automatic windows, and maybe two power trains. A v8 or a low output good fuel efficent alternative
It doesn't take five days to get my truck fixed.
Not a fan of the spare tire accessibility.
This is not a real truck. It's a Sports Utility Vehicle trying to be a truck. No comparison. Just something to look good in. No real purpose.
I like the look of it, but needs more colors
GM interview: 19:08 - 41:48
GM will be hurting when EV truck sales tank!!
Thiccer than bowl of oatmeal???
Alright alright...nvm😏
I admire the girl power of this woman!
I can't afford it lol who would want to drop so much money on a truck ... thats insane, the ford lighting with 10k miles is around 50k
Tell me, where are all of those EV Trucks and Cars are going to charge. The electric plants and so-called green energy producers are not ready for EV's yet!!!
22:40 SO, 1400lbs payload. 10,000lbs towing. With 10% of the towed weight on the hitch that leave you with a whopping 400lbs for ALL PASSENGERS and luggage. Hmmmmm
"According to Statista, the average self-reported weight for US adults in 2023 was 199 pounds for men and 164 pounds for women."
So lets take the average of the two, so about 180lbs(the "data" is "self reported" and I am sure no one ever fibs about their weight lol.) So MAYBE a healthy family of four, with no dogs, no bags and skipping breakfast that day MAY be able to take advantage of that 10000lbs towing without exceeding the payload. I would not be surprised if the computer can sense over payload on such a hi-tech device so not sure if "rolling the dice" as many do with payload "suggestions" on other trucks will fly with this one.
They are NOT doing themselves any favors by starting with such high priced vehicles. It will take YEARS for EV's to shake the "overpriced" reputation they are giving themselves. In my industry I can have three bottles on the shelf, a small bottle that last a month, a medium 2 month supply, and a large 3 months supply. 9/10 times the customer picks up the largest bottle, looks at the price and states, "Wow thats really expensive" and its an uphill battle explaining to them the price per day and how affordable it really is. Heck go buy a 3 month supply of something you eat or drink everyday, of course it seems like alot. Imagine paying for a months worth of starbucks upfront, how many would do that? I digress, these top of the line(I don't care if you call it work truck it's twice the price of a base ICE WT) are the wrong way to go.
i never knew that electricity has horsepower only kilowatts
It doesn't.
All that said, the fundamental flaw with EV's lays outside the vehicle. And that is the reality that the Grid does not have enough energy production capacity to recharge all these electric vehicles. And it's not feasible to build enough power plants to keep up with the rising demand. Palo Verde Generations station took a little over 11 years to complete, with unit 1 starting construction on May 25th, 1976, unit 2 and 3 beginning a week later. Unit 3 wasn't complete until January of 1988. This Power Station cost approximately 14 billion dollars in today's money. And to meet the demand of EV's as mass market vehicles, the equivalent of 3 of these power stations would have to come on line every year. So 42 billion dollars would have to be spent every year to begin construction of 9 nuclear reactors every year, and we'd still have a 10 year deficit of energy production.
But just to be at this level of energy investment we would require a Government that was Militantly Hostile to the environmental lobbyists, litigators, and protestors who are both the primary demographic for the EV's, who are hypocritically Militantly Hostile to building the power infrastructure needed to recharge them.
Great job on random thoughts and a few facts cobbled together to come up with a messy conclusion like this.
You don’t have pressure on you because GM always follows up on the innovator that is Ford. Ford will do the hard work, GM will send its people to a Ford assembly plant and learn.
Well duh!…of course the towing energy drop off is the same between gas and electric…the elephant in the room is the ice can refuel in 10 minutes to go max towing range right away. The ev has to condition battery and if your gonna charge to match the full tank of the ice, good luck!…that weekend trip journey just became a lot longer. Mail and bread trucks. That what these are gonna be good for🤦♂️
Yep and most charging stations aren't pull through so you'd have to unhook the trailer to charge
Its a passenger truck, not work truck
Can you please tell her they're making these things way too gigantic? I'm 6'2" n feel like a child next to these things now man it's gone way too far!
Its a chevy honda ridgeline sick!
She ran circles around these guys.
batteries are expensive and in short supply. There is no getting around that.
Even Tesla can't make enough batteries.
Billions are being spent to increase range and decrease price.
Gas trucks have been around for 100 years and are still only 30% efficient.
So she doesn’t know what a work truck does.
Yeah, if I had $60,000 to spend on a vehicle, I'll go spend it on a classic muscle car, thank you very much!!!
Thanks for letting us know even though nobody asked.
@@Johnnyb418😂
Electric is trash until the batteries improve ten fold. Otherwise its a toy for look at me.
Ev trucks r a joke atp in time😂
Buy the Silverado ev and drive back to Alaska
An electric avalanche… I own a company with lots of trucks, and I would not buy one. This looks like a toy for high school kids.
If the engineer was a man, I am wondering if Roman would have been so direct
We are sure you know what a passive/ aggressive comment is….well….this certainly feels like a passive/sexiest comment🤔
@@TFLtalk haha that’s funny you actually replied
Worthless. Spending all that money for what. A lifted 4x4 Corvette..truck.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 guarantee by gm
EV vehicles are a big scam. Expensive to charge. Super heavy & expensive. Where’s the electricity come from? Lithium mines are horrible. 👎🏻
She is the ultimate privileged chief engineer. Doesn't know the conversion from gallon of gas to KWH, really!! I don't believe her towing numbers. Anyways this truck is not available to consumers so why bother. We get shafted for the RST, so you would pay 120k for it and with dealer markup and taxes you will be at 150k. You need a mortgage to pay for that.
Definitely a diversity hire lol
@@joelmora2826 Right, never seen someone so protective of their vehicle. Usually people like to show their vehicle.
When I saw Andre open the doors I was waiting for her to pounce
The truck is great. The no oil change and matianice is going to be a great work truck. It will pay for itself in the long run
Lol until the battery quits
@@Dankcatvacs well true. But that's like saying until your ice motor blows up! Kind of a big deal either way. So still expensive but. The battery pack has cell packs that can be replaced if they go bad.
@mikefreigruber1098 a blown motor is still cheaper to replace,
@@mikefreigruber1098coworker of mine has been waiting on a battery replacement for his Nissan Leaf. Covered under warranty but still waiting after 7 months. Nissan is paying for his rental. Someone at Nissan can’t do math. Would have been a lot cheaper to buy back the car.
Gm ice trucks subsidizeing their ev trucks 😂 clown world
😂
Long term the ice work truck will cost more because of maintenance and fuel cost. And the ev truck offers features the ice truck can only dream about.
Nobody wants electric cars!
I do not want a vehicle that requires a lot of money to run and takes a lot of money to maintain. In other words, I do not want a gasoline-powered vehicle, and I prefer not to walk.
Not true, I don’t want one but there’s a lot of people out there already driving them.
Nobody wants mandates, vote out anybody that puts them in place
Then why are they selling out everywhere?
Congratulation to Chevy for producing a fantastic truck they're going to kick everybody's ass
Chief Engineer Chick. Diversity Equity and Inclusion hire.
OR she’s the best engineer for the job!