first off: amazing playing here. Secondly: the RD 2000 sounded great but once the Keyscape dropped it was an instant "vibe" so my vote goes to Keyscape.
I like that Keyscape has a lot more parameters to tweak. Also the tone is warmer and less metalic. Probably because the plugin uses a tape machine. But for me no plugin can beat the lower register from the V-Piano (German Concert in this case).
@@freetown10 la mayoria de los los sinthes modernos tienen una arquitectura basada en microprocesador multicore con sistema operativo igual que una PC, en este caso la diferencia esta en que uno es sintesis PCM y el otro es un sampler player
@@u-1s2e3r4 Bro,si sabes eso doy por echo que entiendes, entonces deberías saber que un teclado físico de gama alta a diferencia de un programita trae en su interior unos, citrcuitos que tienen más calidad,unos chips,su muestreo la profundidad de bits.. muchos factores que hace que suene de mayor calidad,es como el montage y modx es exactamente lo mismo el mismo banco de sonidos ,lo que cambia es lo que te dije anteriormente y no te lo digo yo puedes mirarlo en la página oficial.
@@freetown10 los teclados llamados de "alta gama!" no son de mejor calidad, de hecho cada vez son peores, hasta tardan en encender, se cuelgan, no tienen repuestos, y sus pre tienen una calidad por debajo de muchas tarjetas de sonido como la SSL o audient, ejemplos montage, modx, Fantom (pura basura) si queres un buen piano este debe ser un piano fisico.
After all we will merely give our opinions on the sound. But both listening to this gorgeous playing and reading the comments are so much fun. So much learning in both. 😊
Roland RD300GX/700GX and Fantom had an Ultimate Grand that sound pretty similatlr to Keyscape piano, I may be wrong. The RD2000 sounds completely different to those pianos. I like both piano sounds though.
Sounds promising. I bought a new 2008 RD-700GX and then bought all kinds of expansion packs and then added Keyscape to the mix in 2021 but no time to play with it. Will try again when I return to the US next year after I retire from overseas work. Just now checking to see if there are any recent Keyscape updates.
The Roland exhibits a distinctly brighter timbre, characterized by a cleaner sound that integrates more effectively with compositions incorporating digital recordings and electronic instruments. In contrast, Keyscape produces a more subdued and vintage tone, evoking a sense of nostalgia reminiscent of older pianos. However, this does not necessarily imply superiority over Roland. Keyscape’s tonal qualities make it well-suited for recordings involving acoustic instruments. In my view, for projects focused on digital recordings or film scores, Roland would be the optimal choice.
I would love to know the EQ/compressor settings you used for Keyscape. It sounded great. But your playing is fantastic! The way you play, you could make a Casio from 1980 sound great.
If I remember correctly I just used the “Classical” preset in Keyscape, boosted the lows by 25% and chose the “warm” character. This Yamaha C7 has a warmer/closer sound and is less metalic compared to the default preset in Keyscape. I agree, the playing is the most important thing. Thanks for watching!
It is very much possible to tweak the EQ of the German concert piano's [generated] sound in a way that it could come exceptionally close to a perfect replication of the keyscape's [sampled] sound - I would have made EQ adjustments with slight lowering on the high end and slightly bringing up the mid-range.
@@sale6257 It’s bright and sometimes better than sampled instruments. I would used it for playing in a band or for solo where you need a lot of low end and you’re playing big chords. The way the notes ring together and interact with each other makes it a special instrument. I wouldn’t use it for soft, delicate playing that needs to sound warm. It’s simply too bright for that.
@@rolandv-piano I TOTALLY AGREE. I bought the RD-2000 German Piano expansion (149 usd) and I was very dissapointed when I need to play pianissimos. Unlike any real acoustic grand, the tone color doesn't change depending on the atack... it just stays bright, at a lower volume. That´s very annoying. Any of my RD-2000 edited V pianos give me better results and allow me be a more expresive interpreter. German Grand expansion is just great for big forte chords. This is ilogical!! However, the RD-2000 touch and action es THE BEST in any Keyboard built ever. I stay with it!! Congratulations on your playing! Do you have a personal chanel? If so.. what's your name? Grettings from Mexico! 👍😉
@TopWorldPiano Thank you for the thoughtful comment. I own the Roland V-Piano (stage piano) and the key to sound calibration is superior. I also like the keybed better. Unfortunately the instrument was made between 2007 and 2011 and they don’t offer updates any longer. RD 2000 is a great option but I wouldn’t be able to play classical music on it. My personal channel: @nharmonickx
I had RD2000 and it wins in terms of keyboard responsiveness. I'm not talking about the hammer action, I'm talking about the combination of pressing a key and then playing the sound. Because it's synthesis, it's as natural as possible and without delay. When you play through sampler libraries, you hear the delay even at the smallest buffer size. It always feels like you're listening from the side, not playing yourself. And it's not just because of the buffer size. When playing on RD2000 on the physical modeling engine there is no such feeling. And the sound is much better than the Pianoteq. But I sold it because I'm not comfortable with its display and menus.
@@rolandv-piano As I said, it has nothing to do with the latency that the audio interface gives you. This is only small factor. I'm talking about something a little different. V-piano has better feel under your fingers, better feedback. It's one of the driest sounds and hits you right in the face. All the libraries sound like it's a beautiful picture under glass, that's how it feels under your fingers. Too many factors for that and it's long to describe. Anyway this is just my opinion
Yes, I agree with you that the V-Piano is more responsive. It has to do with how everything is integrated (keybed, sensors, sounds, calibration, etc…). Sometimes I record my self on the V-Piano and send the MIDI data to a sample library afterwards. I personally like the feel of the V-Piano but the sound is for me not realistic enough in every register and the stereo image is too narrow compared to other plugins.
@@rolandv-piano "It has to do with how everything is integrated (keybed, sensors, sounds, calibration, etc…)" Yeah, that's absolutely right. That's what I was talking about. The V-Piano is good for playing, but for studio work there are many better options out there
@kaanpiyano1 I sent MIDI to my DAW via an USB cable. The MIDI information goes to Keyscape and comes out of my DAW via a Focusrite audio interface. My computer has a M2 Ultra CPU.
Where does the RD 2000 fit in Rolands lineup of keyboards ? Is it the top model ? Is it above a 670 or 920 ? The Roland sounded great until you played the Keyscape. Does that keyscape sound come in a Yamaha keyboard ? And can all of todays keyboards be used as a controller for Keyscape. I want to replace my 15 year old Yamaha keyboard. And i want something allot nicer. But im not sure what to get. I will be using it in my living room. But moving into my bedroom home studeo when i want to record into a daw. And i want the most realistic piano sounds. I am not a great piano player. Just a song writer who wants to record songs that i write. I will not be gigging with the keyboard. I have been watching videos of the 525 and 680, 920, 88, 90 and others. But i still dont know whats best for me. Most videos seem like they dont want to give honest opinions because they are selling all the brands. I wish there was a video that laid out all the strong points and weak points of the top 10 keyboards in a honest way. From someone who isnt bias to one company or sponsered. Any smart advice would be appreciated.
No keyboard or software is the best. You’ll probably need to have multiple options for different types of music. Keyscape is an affordable sampled sounds selection. Modelled instruments are sometimes more realistic in terms of sound. You could probably start with the SL 88 Grand and a M2 Mac to avoid latency and other issues.
I don’t know for sure but I don’t think they send MIDI CC data via usb. They can be assigned to different parameters internally. I will need to try but I usually use AKAI LPD8 controller for external instruments. It’s cheap and very effective especially with Ableton Live.
Those pianos sound superb. They're both great. As it seems Roland has Ultimate Piano which sounds like Keyscape, I maybe wrong but definitely sound very similar imo. 😊
@@rolandv-piano Pedal or damper resonance. When you play on a piano with the damper pedal down, all the strings vibrate a little with the note or chord you just played.
@@rolandv-piano I see. I looked it up and this option turns off the pedal down samples (samples with resonance) to release the strain on your computer. That means the Yamaha C7 does indeed has pedal down resonance, which is good news. Thank you.
I prefer the Roland with some EQ adjustments. Keyscape is overrated, overpriced, and takes up too much disk space for what it accomplishes. If I had to choose a virtual piano, I'd go with the Ravenscroft 275 or Pianoteq over Keyscape any day.
@@rolandv-piano I'm well aware of other libraries larger than Keyscape, which I find even more excessive and unnecessary. However, this doesn't change the fact that Keyscape offers no real advantages over smaller, better-optimized libraries that often sound subjectively better. While Keyscape might look cool for RUclips, serious gigging musicians are using onboard sounds from Nord, Yamaha, Korg, etc. If they do use samples, they opt for slimmer, more efficient, and often better-sounding alternatives. No one in the trenches is loading hundreds of gigabytes of piano samples, it's just not practical lmao
I'd guess Nord piano 5 is the world champ on the market, as to comparison of these two, for me at least they sound equally perfect. But most of all i'd say, Steinway 0 or B :) would be my preference :)
@user-hp2hd5vy5x not necessarily, especially when we’re talking about long notes and how they ring, also the interaction between different strings can’t be sampled.
When I need a warmer sound I always use Keyscape, plus the plugin has really amazing reverbs. I mostly bring the MIDI velocity down and boost the volume by a few decibels.
first off: amazing playing here. Secondly: the RD 2000 sounded great but once the Keyscape dropped it was an instant "vibe" so my vote goes to Keyscape.
I like that Keyscape has a lot more parameters to tweak. Also the tone is warmer and less metalic. Probably because the plugin uses a tape machine. But for me no plugin can beat the lower register from the V-Piano (German Concert in this case).
No tienes ni idea. Como vas a ni siquiera comparar un programa con el teclaldo físico de Roland 2000.roland suena mucho mejor obviamente
@@freetown10 la mayoria de los los sinthes modernos tienen una arquitectura basada en microprocesador multicore con sistema operativo igual que una PC, en este caso la diferencia esta en que uno es sintesis PCM y el otro es un sampler player
@@u-1s2e3r4 Bro,si sabes eso doy por echo que entiendes, entonces deberías saber que un teclado físico de gama alta a diferencia de un programita trae en su interior unos, citrcuitos que tienen más calidad,unos chips,su muestreo la profundidad de bits.. muchos factores que hace que suene de mayor calidad,es como el montage y modx es exactamente lo mismo el mismo banco de sonidos ,lo que cambia es lo que te dije anteriormente y no te lo digo yo puedes mirarlo en la página oficial.
@@freetown10 los teclados llamados de "alta gama!" no son de mejor calidad, de hecho cada vez son peores, hasta tardan en encender, se cuelgan, no tienen repuestos, y sus pre tienen una calidad por debajo de muchas tarjetas de sonido como la SSL o audient, ejemplos montage, modx, Fantom (pura basura)
si queres un buen piano este debe ser un piano fisico.
Wonderful playing 🙂
Thanks for watching!
German concert was a game changer for RD-2000
Exactly, especially the lower register sounds much better than any sample library.
Wow your playing Is absolutely beautiful!
Rd-2000 "the winner", really natural bite and piano performance. Key too much effects but sounds good too(Personally speaking).
Some people don’t like the bite :)
@@rolandv-piano Of course!....
;)
After all we will merely give our opinions on the sound. But both listening to this gorgeous playing and reading the comments are so much fun. So much learning in both. 😊
Hey 😊
There's no comparison : Roland is superior ! Even if Keyscape is also great but it sound very "plugin" face to the Roland.
Came for the sound, stayed for the playing.
Thanks!
Congratulations! 👏🏼👏🏼 hello from Brazil
A warm tone at the piano in my opinion always wins.
Keyscape and your playing is Nice
I like the RD2000
both are soooooooooooooo butiful coz of your marvles plying❤❤❤❤❤❤
Roland RD300GX/700GX and Fantom had an Ultimate Grand that sound pretty similatlr to Keyscape piano, I may be wrong. The RD2000 sounds completely different to those pianos. I like both piano sounds though.
Sounds promising. I bought a new 2008 RD-700GX and then bought all kinds of expansion packs and then added Keyscape to the mix in 2021 but no time to play with it. Will try again when I return to the US next year after I retire from overseas work. Just now checking to see if there are any recent Keyscape updates.
@6806goats1 You”ll get frequent updates with Keyscape.
Boa!!! O piano do Rd é um pouco mais brilhante, com menos graves e mais aberto.. mas ambos soaram lindos.
Abraços
The real winner? Everyone who listened to your playing!
Thanks a lot!
The Roland exhibits a distinctly brighter timbre, characterized by a cleaner sound that integrates more effectively with compositions incorporating digital recordings and electronic instruments. In contrast, Keyscape produces a more subdued and vintage tone, evoking a sense of nostalgia reminiscent of older pianos. However, this does not necessarily imply superiority over Roland. Keyscape’s tonal qualities make it well-suited for recordings involving acoustic instruments. In my view, for projects focused on digital recordings or film scores, Roland would be the optimal choice.
Keyscape sounds darker because it uses a denoise filter (eq) but has superior reverbs. You can also find very bright keyscape patches in the plugin.
I would love to know the EQ/compressor settings you used for Keyscape. It sounded great. But your playing is fantastic! The way you play, you could make a Casio from 1980 sound great.
If I remember correctly I just used the “Classical” preset in Keyscape, boosted the lows by 25% and chose the “warm” character. This Yamaha C7 has a warmer/closer sound and is less metalic compared to the default preset in Keyscape.
I agree, the playing is the most important thing. Thanks for watching!
@@rolandv-piano Thank you. I will try that!
Keyscape all the way
It is very much possible to tweak the EQ of the German concert piano's [generated] sound in a way that it could come exceptionally close to a perfect replication of the keyscape's [sampled] sound - I would have made EQ adjustments with slight lowering on the high end and slightly bringing up the mid-range.
Yes it’s possible to EQ both sounds according to your preference. I believe I boosted the highs and lows of the German Concert by a few dB.
Feels like Roland will mix better alive, but Keyscape is my favorite for solo
I use Keyscape mostly in the studio but I have a couple presets for live too.
I would like to ask if you think the Roland German Concert is good enough or close enough to the sampled piano sound
@@sale6257 It’s bright and sometimes better than sampled instruments. I would used it for playing in a band or for solo where you need a lot of low end and you’re playing big chords. The way the notes ring together and interact with each other makes it a special instrument.
I wouldn’t use it for soft, delicate playing that needs to sound warm. It’s simply too bright for that.
@@rolandv-piano Thank you for your detailed explanation
@@rolandv-piano I TOTALLY AGREE. I bought the RD-2000 German Piano expansion (149 usd) and I was very dissapointed when I need to play pianissimos. Unlike any real acoustic grand, the tone color doesn't change depending on the atack... it just stays bright, at a lower volume. That´s very annoying. Any of my RD-2000 edited V pianos give me better results and allow me be a more expresive interpreter. German Grand expansion is just great for big forte chords. This is ilogical!! However, the RD-2000 touch and action es THE BEST in any Keyboard built ever. I stay with it!! Congratulations on your playing! Do you have a personal chanel? If so.. what's your name? Grettings from Mexico! 👍😉
@TopWorldPiano Thank you for the thoughtful comment. I own the Roland V-Piano (stage piano) and the key to sound calibration is superior. I also like the keybed better. Unfortunately the instrument was made between 2007 and 2011 and they don’t offer updates any longer. RD 2000 is a great option but I wouldn’t be able to play classical music on it.
My personal channel: @nharmonickx
I much prefer the C7 sample in my Ivory II over the Keyscape version. It just seems to have more depth.
as a natural piano I prefet Grand S (Kontakt) a thousand times over Keyscape, and always use PSP piano reverb (specially on Keyscape)
@@diegoalejo15 I’ve tried PSP piano reverb and it’s amazing.
@@rolandv-piano I forgot to say beautiful performance!
Eu acho o Keyscape bem mais bonito e realista!
I had RD2000 and it wins in terms of keyboard responsiveness. I'm not talking about the hammer action, I'm talking about the combination of pressing a key and then playing the sound. Because it's synthesis, it's as natural as possible and without delay. When you play through sampler libraries, you hear the delay even at the smallest buffer size. It always feels like you're listening from the side, not playing yourself. And it's not just because of the buffer size. When playing on RD2000 on the physical modeling engine there is no such feeling. And the sound is much better than the Pianoteq. But I sold it because I'm not comfortable with its display and menus.
Not true, I have a Mac M2 and you can achieve almost 0 latency with a quality audio interface. But I still prefer an acoustic instrument for playing.
@@rolandv-piano As I said, it has nothing to do with the latency that the audio interface gives you. This is only small factor. I'm talking about something a little different. V-piano has better feel under your fingers, better feedback. It's one of the driest sounds and hits you right in the face. All the libraries sound like it's a beautiful picture under glass, that's how it feels under your fingers. Too many factors for that and it's long to describe. Anyway this is just my opinion
Yes, I agree with you that the V-Piano is more responsive. It has to do with how everything is integrated (keybed, sensors, sounds, calibration, etc…). Sometimes I record my self on the V-Piano and send the MIDI data to a sample library afterwards. I personally like the feel of the V-Piano but the sound is for me not realistic enough in every register and the stereo image is too narrow compared to other plugins.
@@rolandv-piano "It has to do with how everything is integrated (keybed, sensors, sounds, calibration, etc…)"
Yeah, that's absolutely right. That's what I was talking about. The V-Piano is good for playing, but for studio work there are many better options out there
Thats y I don't buy keyboards anymore. Anyway you played beautifully
I'm making a video about this
how did you get the low latency?
You mean for Keyscape? I use a low buffer size in my DAW. The latency can be as low as 4-5 milliseconds.
@@rolandv-piano are you using Rolands interface or external sound card? 4-5m is really good
@kaanpiyano1 I sent MIDI to my DAW via an USB cable. The MIDI information goes to Keyscape and comes out of my DAW via a Focusrite audio interface. My computer has a M2 Ultra CPU.
@@rolandv-piano I think because of the CPU u. Have low latency, cool
Where does the RD 2000 fit in Rolands lineup of keyboards ? Is it the top model ? Is it above a 670 or 920 ? The Roland sounded great until you played the Keyscape. Does that keyscape sound come in a Yamaha keyboard ? And can all of todays keyboards be used as a controller for Keyscape. I want to replace my 15 year old Yamaha keyboard. And i want something allot nicer. But im not sure what to get. I will be using it in my living room. But moving into my bedroom home studeo when i want to record into a daw. And i want the most realistic piano sounds. I am not a great piano player. Just a song writer who wants to record songs that i write. I will not be gigging with the keyboard. I have been watching videos of the 525 and 680, 920, 88, 90 and others. But i still dont know whats best for me. Most videos seem like they dont want to give honest opinions because they are selling all the brands. I wish there was a video that laid out all the strong points and weak points of the top 10 keyboards in a honest way. From someone who isnt bias to one company or sponsered. Any smart advice would be appreciated.
No keyboard or software is the best. You’ll probably need to have multiple options for different types of music. Keyscape is an affordable sampled sounds selection. Modelled instruments are sometimes more realistic in terms of sound.
You could probably start with the SL 88 Grand and a M2 Mac to avoid latency and other issues.
Keyscape🎉🎉🎉 but can I use the faders on the rd2000 to control my daw??
Yes, if you press shift the led turns green and you can control an external sound
@@rolandv-piano okay thanks what about the knobs and buttons??
I don’t know for sure but I don’t think they send MIDI CC data via usb. They can be assigned to different parameters internally. I will need to try but I usually use AKAI LPD8 controller for external instruments. It’s cheap and very effective especially with Ableton Live.
Those pianos sound superb. They're both great. As it seems Roland has Ultimate Piano which sounds like Keyscape, I maybe wrong but definitely sound very similar imo. 😊
Both top notch
I wanna know what the player thinks?
I mostly use Keyscape but I like the lower register from Roland modelled pianos.
Does the Keyscape piano have pedal down resonance?
What do you mean by that?
@@rolandv-piano Pedal or damper resonance. When you play on a piano with the damper pedal down, all the strings vibrate a little with the note or chord you just played.
It has an option called “sustain realism”
@@rolandv-piano I see. I looked it up and this option turns off the pedal down samples (samples with resonance) to release the strain on your computer. That means the Yamaha C7 does indeed has pedal down resonance, which is good news. Thank you.
Even when it’s on it doesn’t come close to modelled piano sounds but it’s a cool option to have.
I prefer the Roland with some EQ adjustments. Keyscape is overrated, overpriced, and takes up too much disk space for what it accomplishes. If I had to choose a virtual piano, I'd go with the Ravenscroft 275 or Pianoteq over Keyscape any day.
I think Ravenscroft is cool. 80 GB disk space is too much? Wait till you see other libraries.
@@rolandv-piano I'm well aware of other libraries larger than Keyscape, which I find even more excessive and unnecessary. However, this doesn't change the fact that Keyscape offers no real advantages over smaller, better-optimized libraries that often sound subjectively better. While Keyscape might look cool for RUclips, serious gigging musicians are using onboard sounds from Nord, Yamaha, Korg, etc. If they do use samples, they opt for slimmer, more efficient, and often better-sounding alternatives. No one in the trenches is loading hundreds of gigabytes of piano samples, it's just not practical lmao
@clarenceoveur9497 Are you serious? I have 6 TB SSD disk space available. How about having limited polyphony? I think that’s impractical.
Keyscape is better but nothing beats the hardware keyboard
Debatable, anything can be replaced
that is why they used the Roland keyboard to create keyscape
I'd guess Nord piano 5 is the world champ on the market, as to comparison of these two, for me at least they sound equally perfect. But most of all i'd say, Steinway 0 or B :) would be my preference :)
Sampling and physical modelling are two completely different technologies
@@rolandv-piano yea , isn't sampling sound more natural and realistic ?
@user-hp2hd5vy5x not necessarily, especially when we’re talking about long notes and how they ring, also the interaction between different strings can’t be sampled.
Did not like the tone on the low notes from the Keyscape
Yes, Keyscape is not the best for a robust low end tone.
The Roland is way too bright. The key scape has its own issues, but it’s the winner.
When I need a warmer sound I always use Keyscape, plus the plugin has really amazing reverbs.
I mostly bring the MIDI velocity down and boost the volume by a few decibels.
Vegso vallomás united
Roland is nicer
The two pianos should be equalized in the same way. Roland is more bright while keyscape looks like it's in the basement!😁
That’s not the point of this video. The sounds each have a different character and the eq is part of it.
Sorry but there is no competition/battle here.
It just highlighted the limitations of RD 2000. Keyscape hands down.
Every instrument/plugin has limitations
@@rolandv-piano we’re both correct then.
Keyscape wins