Dialing In... The Helix Tuner...YES, You Read That Right! THE GUITAR TUNER!

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  • Опубликовано: 28 окт 2024

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  • @aidrienwilkins
    @aidrienwilkins 3 года назад +9

    The idea of “sweeteners” is a concept I learned from classical guitar
    Sometimes we adjust the G string a couple of cents to be more in tune to the key we are playing in. The ability to program this into the helix is pretty cool!

  • @rolandklasen9225
    @rolandklasen9225 3 года назад +13

    Awesome vid Jason, I’ll try it out. Fyi for Stomp users who don’t want to waste a FS for the tuner, you can bring it up manually by pressing the Action and Page Right buttons together.

    • @JasonSadites
      @JasonSadites  3 года назад

      Thanks Roland :-)

    • @Mindartcreativity
      @Mindartcreativity 3 года назад +1

      Thank you! I didn't know that!

    • @stevensrp2music985
      @stevensrp2music985 3 года назад +1

      Wow lol, that’s the first Ive heard of that way of pulling up the tuner. Thanks a lot Roland.

    • @funnydick8939
      @funnydick8939 2 года назад

      "pressing the Action and Page Right buttons together"
      I have a line 6 Helix floor and that doesn't work on mine.

  • @montagninavarro
    @montagninavarro 11 месяцев назад

    Great video as usual!!! Since I have both the Helix and the Peterson StroboClip, I made a JT Custom sweetener both on my Helix and StroboClip! Made me happier with my guitar since I play a lot of open chords and rhythm guitarist. I was going to resolve to fixing my nut due to intonation issues, But because of this video, got a whole new life to my guitars! Thanks!

  • @pauljsmith2113
    @pauljsmith2113 3 года назад +1

    Peterson is a big player in the pipe organ industry as well. I used to work in that industry, and know that Scott Peterson and his team are exceptionally proud of what they do, and do it very well. Their strobe tuners have been the industry standard for a long time.

  • @ac8704
    @ac8704 2 года назад

    This is actually a GREAT tip. I've never used a strobe tuner before. This is so easy to use on the Helix in a live / standing setting. Thanks.

  • @PohlLongsine
    @PohlLongsine 3 года назад

    Today was an "off day" for my playing while I was practicing, but boy did I ever feel in tune. Between giving the strobe setting a shot and adopting the sweetener offsets I'm dialed right in. Thank you, Jason.

  • @haydenbrown353
    @haydenbrown353 3 года назад +1

    So glad the "Dialing In" series is back!! 😁

  • @MuRpHMaN64
    @MuRpHMaN64 2 года назад

    since seeing this video when it first came out, i have never played without the peterson sweetener offesets on. It was a game changer for me and i've been playing over 40 years. Imo its mandatory.

  • @johneldredge5419
    @johneldredge5419 3 года назад

    Great video Jason. Again my friend, you are teaching this old dog another new trick. Thanks.

  • @keith.messier
    @keith.messier 3 года назад +1

    Great video, Jason!
    For those who try this out and find they still aren’t nailing their tuning across the fretboard, keep in mind that you must start with a properly intonated guitar. Adjust the saddles and, if necessary, the nut to ensure proper intonation, then go ahead and get super-precise with your tuning.

    • @JasonSadites
      @JasonSadites  3 года назад

      Thank you and excellent point concerning intonation! Thanks!

  • @timsellsted521
    @timsellsted521 3 года назад +2

    Thanks for this Jason! I've been frustrated by the Helix tuner. I'm going to try the strobe with offsets! Much appreciated!

    • @JasonSadites
      @JasonSadites  3 года назад

      My pleasure Tim and hope it helps :-)

  • @sudiptasingh
    @sudiptasingh 3 года назад +5

    You opened a can of worms here :-)…. a good sweetened tuning without any hoopla or electronic fakery can be achieved as follows…
    1. Tune open string E’s using the tuner reference ( strings 1 and 6 ). This is if you want concert pitch for your overall tuning. 2. Tune the instrument in octaves… open 6th E, to fretted E , 5th string, 7th fret. Open A to 4th string 7th fret, and so on. By tuning a fretted note to an open string, you are “factoring in” fretting pressure.
    3. High e string will function as a check….
    I get consistently musical results with this approach, and can quickly double check the tuning by now playing octaves at any fret position … e.g. Bb on the 6th string, and Bb on the 4th ( two frets higher).
    Check it out!!

    • @JasonSadites
      @JasonSadites  3 года назад +11

      Yes, there are many methods of tuning in this manner. This video was about none of those but was directed at the folks who are using the Helix tuner.

  • @ludlow555
    @ludlow555 3 года назад

    Dude, this video changed my life. That Petersen inspired tuning is EVERYTHING!

  • @introvertarist2424
    @introvertarist2424 3 года назад +1

    My PRS sounds much better with sweetened tuning. I think this is very underrated video that many need to try! And you also giving wonderful tips on tuning the guitar using peterson tuning. You just gained another subscriber. THANK YOU!

  • @guitarjonn7103
    @guitarjonn7103 3 года назад

    Thank you, thank you, Jason! I've used a clip-on tuner with a sweetener for quite awhile now, but I never knew of offset feature on the Helix.

  • @Vakilando
    @Vakilando 2 года назад

    Great video! not only to understand the Helix Tuner better but also for general Tuning Tipps.
    But one thing I have to add, and you are actually talking about this when talking about the sweeteners:
    You mention not to strum to hard while tuning or even waiting some time after hitting the string. This of course helps to get a more consistent reading BUT if you tune like this and then play really hard, all your notes will be too sharp. In essence this is what the "sweeteners" or the offsets correct. IMHO the more correct way, that workf with everyt uner ist to hit the strings in a way you hit them while playing and tune to this. With guitars there is always this compromise: If you strum hard, do you want the attack or de remainder of the note really in tune? For example for super fast licks it will be the attack that maters.
    What I want to say: almost all modern tuners are good,actually they might be too accurate which is why some people complain that they "do not lock in", but they are showing the truth and depending on oyur style you have to find your own compromise.
    But using ofsets and a light strum can help to get very consistent tunings if this is important.

  • @sparknado
    @sparknado Год назад

    This is amazing. Saved me a bunch of time and money as I was considering adding an outboard tuner to my HX Stomp because tuning with it always made my guitar sound just a little off

  • @nyeehah
    @nyeehah 3 года назад +1

    This is really cool. I'd like to hear the difference with a good amount of gain. sometimes tuning becomes really obvious with the extra harmonic content of distortion

    • @danionescu1014
      @danionescu1014 3 года назад

      Nailed it . There is obvious . With distortion or overdrive ON .This is a life changer ! You will hear the difference in no time ! I started using Peterson GTR Sweetener last year , and I felt like all my life I was playing out of tune . Thanks to Jason , now I will use the Helix tuner with those offsets and it will be just fine .

  • @RyanVennell
    @RyanVennell 2 года назад

    When muting the other strings, be careful not to much pressure on them since the added tension can change the tension on the string you're trying to tune, especially if you have a trem.
    The sweeteners are also designed for specific use-cases. Their "GTR" sweetener is meant for electric playing, while playing lead. It can actually make things sound a little wonky when playing cowboy chords or things in that area of the neck. They recommend equal temperament for chording. I (personally) prefer Equal because in a given set, I'll play both lead and rhythm.

  • @danionescu1014
    @danionescu1014 3 года назад

    I do use Peterson HD Stomp , and Clip with the GTR Sweetener ON , and I was thinking to do what you just did !!! To compare with the Helix tuner on stroboscope and find the offsets . But I was lazy ... But you did it ! AWESOME !!! Thank you ! I will use these settings on my Helix LT , from now on. Great video ! Like all the videos you do .

  • @martynfidler9055
    @martynfidler9055 3 года назад

    Really interesting video Jason. I remember watching a RUclips video by James Taylor on his acoustic guitar tuning which is: high E = -3, B= -6, G= -4; D= -8, A= -10, Low E = -12!

  • @thomasperry4825
    @thomasperry4825 Год назад +1

    The tuner in my Helix, is the most unstable tuner, that I have ever used!!!

  • @BwanaTube
    @BwanaTube Год назад

    I experimented with various sweeteners on my Peterson over the years, but found the "guitar" offsets were really aimed at cowboy chord first position chords and simple barre chords low on the neck. Complex chords, particularly anything involving fretted notes above the 7th fret combined with open strings, just didn't sound good, and harmonically were better served by straight equal temp tuning. I also didn't want to be dependent on a particular set of tuning offsets that I couldn't easily get from whatever tuner I had available. I could see some studio specific sweetener being useful for maybe a particular tune, but for general tuning purposes they're not well suited to complex harmony.

  • @leitaodesign
    @leitaodesign 2 года назад

    Finally, some tuning talking : ) I'm also wondering if the order of strings tuning also matters. After all tunning is trying to reach a physical balance between the strings.

  • @teopetran237
    @teopetran237 3 года назад

    I've been doing this since day one with Helix, great video!

  • @russthompson7994
    @russthompson7994 3 года назад

    I had no idea we had the options. Thank you Jason! Nice shirt BTW! Geddy and Alex would approve of the shirt and the sweetened tuning. I am reminded of 2112 when you played certain chords. Maybe I was swayed by the shirt?!? Maybe you meant to do that???

  • @deconline1320
    @deconline1320 3 года назад +1

    It would be very nice if the sweetening was per key on the Peterson. Otherwise it's another type of temperament and I presume you are getting better/worse results depending on the key.

    • @deconline1320
      @deconline1320 3 года назад

      I looked on the product page and per key is actually supported with a bunch of other sweeteners... Pretty cool.

  • @stevensrp2music985
    @stevensrp2music985 3 года назад

    Thanks a lot Jason!

  • @drewdemaio4162
    @drewdemaio4162 Год назад

    Great video Jason! I couldn't have gotten so much out of my Helix with out your vids. Do you know why Line 6 choses to display FLATS instead of SHARPS? Is there any way to change that. I just always use sharps and would love to see sharps!

  • @fivefingerfullprice3403
    @fivefingerfullprice3403 3 года назад +1

    Very cool video, immediately I knew the sweetened guitar is not for me. Lmao

  • @JoePariseauMusic
    @JoePariseauMusic 3 года назад +1

    Can this be done on the Pod Go?
    I'm very sensitive to slight pitch changes and could definitely hear and "feel" a difference on the sweeter setting vs equal temperament.
    I preferred the sweeter hands down! 😁👏
    Great video Jason!

  • @kane6529
    @kane6529 3 года назад +1

    This was really helpful actually! Without being in front of HX Edit, is this function available for HX Stomp ?

  • @VincentPeer
    @VincentPeer 2 года назад

    Thanx! I’d never heard of sweetened tuning before. And it does sound better. I’m curious if it only sounds better with itself or if it sounds better with other equally tempered instruments.

  • @johnemsley2893
    @johnemsley2893 3 года назад +1

    Interesting video, thanks Jason. Just wondering whether a ‘sweetened’ tuning would be an issue ( beating )whilst playing in a band context, where others are tuned with no offsets.

    • @JasonSadites
      @JasonSadites  3 года назад +2

      I have used the Peterson sweetened tuning in a band context many times and have never had any problems with it.

  • @collinsstudios7098
    @collinsstudios7098 3 года назад +1

    I used to teach someone who tremolo picked whatever string he was tuning….
    Apparently his previous guitar teacher taught him that.
    Vet your teachers people!

  • @Nicky-T
    @Nicky-T 3 года назад

    VERY interesting. I'm trying that sweetened offset now.

  • @giovandenberghe1628
    @giovandenberghe1628 3 года назад

    Thank you so much for tuning in, haha

  • @vejichan
    @vejichan 2 года назад

    I have buzz feiten tuning on my guitars. How do i program the offset on the tuner in Helix to tune my buzz feiten guitars?

  • @eljuno01
    @eljuno01 3 года назад

    Really nice to know this feature. I don’t have Helix Native but the Helix LT and I honestly don’t know how to do this on mine. Is this in Global Settings?

  • @dleasman
    @dleasman 2 года назад +1

    how on earth do you get the tuner on HX Edit?

  • @waterman3230
    @waterman3230 3 года назад +1

    So this "sweetened" tuning is similar to the "compensated" tuning that a good luthier can do to a guitar?

  • @kylehamilton9036
    @kylehamilton9036 3 года назад +2

    "Thank you so much for tuning in"
    lol

  • @Arthur_My_Dear
    @Arthur_My_Dear 3 года назад

    I do not, for the life of me, understand people give a thumbs down to tutorials like this. If you think there’s a mistake, say what it is in the comments. I mean this is helpful information and free to boot. Why not be helpful in return? If it’s not what you thought it was going to be when you clicked on it, move on and keep searching - or maybe you just don’t like Rush - don’t kick the cat on the way out. 🤷‍♂️

  • @04Hunters
    @04Hunters 3 года назад

    Great idea! Jason, what about Drop D tuning? E6 string -2 is enough?

  • @williamtell1477
    @williamtell1477 3 года назад

    This was great, amazing stuff Line 6 and Jason! Real question, by any chance was the recording of the GTR Sweetener Tuning on a different pickup or was that sound change entirely due to the tuning? It seemed like a very different overall sonic balance to me which was not at all what I was expecting. GTR seemed to have a very nasally notchy sound, I suppose it could be due to the way the waves are interfering with one another but if so my mind is kinda blown!

    • @JasonSadites
      @JasonSadites  3 года назад +1

      Thanks so much William! It was the same tone and pickup I used for both tones, but there could have difference in how I hit the strings.

  • @meiersimon
    @meiersimon 3 года назад

    great video, thanks a lot! I was wondering if you would know a hidden feature so that the tuner would always be visible and the sound isn‘t getting muted while tuning, like having a tuner always on on an analog pedalboard, because I use the helix in stomp mode and would like to use the display in another way than just seeing my signal chain ;)

    • @JasonSadites
      @JasonSadites  3 года назад +1

      Thanks so much Simon :-) Unfortunately, I don't think that is possible.

  • @skidogbill
    @skidogbill 2 года назад

    I wonder how this will interact with my Earvana and music man compensated nuts? by the way Peterson also makes an app for your phone or iPad. It’s pretty cool.

    • @skidogbill
      @skidogbill 2 года назад

      And, for that matter, maybe these nuts are doing more or less the same thing.

  • @Maximus091768
    @Maximus091768 Год назад

    I have a Helix floor. About the tuner foot switch it say 119.6. Shouldn’t it say 120?

  • @Grissledik10
    @Grissledik10 2 года назад

    How did you call up the tuner in HX Edit?

  • @sjsphotog
    @sjsphotog 3 года назад

    Good stuff Jason but arent those offsets dependent on everyones different guitar and strings (and string age)? keep it up

  • @picksalot1
    @picksalot1 3 года назад

    The ability to display the Tuner on your computer screen using "Helix Native" is cool, but that doesn't seem to be possible with HX Edit alone. I'd love to see the Tuner on my computer screen.
    I have a few suggestions regarding the HX Tuner, and was wondering what you think:
    1. Make the center line on the Tuner always visible, so when green bar is anywhere over it, we can easily see if the bar is sharp/flat.
    2. A "Sweep needle version" of the tuner might be nice.
    3. It would be nice if FS3 was not only dedicated to the Tuner/Tap Tempo. I think it would be better if it worked like the other buttons, but with the special ability to "long press" for for access to the Tuner, and a 2nd "long press" to get to the Tap Tempo. A "long press" press could be used to toggle between the two. Then, short press to get out if those features. That way, FS3 would be available for other stomp/button duties.

    • @sjsphotog
      @sjsphotog 3 года назад

      submit those ideas to Idea Scale. Jason doesnt work for Line 6 he just uses their products : )

    • @picksalot1
      @picksalot1 3 года назад

      @@sjsphotog I remember seeing something about posting suggestions to Line 6, but couldn't remember the IdeaScale name. Thanks

    • @florianju5638
      @florianju5638 3 года назад

      About your 3re point: Your idea completely destroys any live application with the Helix concerning tap tempo.
      You need your tap tempo first, otherwise it's not suitable for playing live (which is, what tap tempo is most often used for). There are tons of delays, tremolos and choruses out there, that have a "press and hold for tap tempo" function, but they are very rarely used live, because you don't want to "press and hold" during a song and than tap in a tempo. It's just very hard to do that. Most serious effects actually DO feature a dedicated button, mode or connection, so that you may have your tap tempo right at hand. Same with the Helix ;)

    • @picksalot1
      @picksalot1 3 года назад

      @@florianju5638 Do you think switching the order so it's Tap Tempo first, then Tuner would resolve the live application use? That could be easily configured.

  • @tjyjmusic
    @tjyjmusic 3 года назад

    Question: is this applicable to an 8-string guitar? Also, what about multi-scale guitars?

  • @philf4086
    @philf4086 3 года назад +2

    Not understanding why at least one of the strings was not at "0". They all had an offset - and they were all negative, that doesn't make sense to me. Could you not add "1" to every sweetened tuning and just work with the strings that need adjustment?

    • @TomsonTheOne
      @TomsonTheOne 3 года назад +3

      If I interpret correctly the reason why they are _all_ offset negatively is to compensate for the downward pressure (higher pitch) while fretting a string.

    • @jamespitman3357
      @jamespitman3357 3 года назад

      I thought it was more that tuning on the guitar is averaged over the neck and not exact at every fret. I'm guessing this is trying to correct this.? Or in layman terms no one will ever know but u😃

    • @JasonSadites
      @JasonSadites  3 года назад

      Phil, I had the exact same thought when I was doing this. I was simply calibrating to the Peterson Sweetened tuning and so figured I would just leave it as such :-)

  • @AlexisGitarre
    @AlexisGitarre 3 года назад

    WHY don't the show the exact CENT value on the Helix itself but on the NATIV??? I still use my peterson app because it's the only one that shows me exact Cent values.
    Line6! Please add that feature on the Hardware unit

  • @Arthur_My_Dear
    @Arthur_My_Dear 3 года назад

    Great information. I’ve been loitering around your channel for quite a while and have recently subscribed. I have just received my Helix Floor after finally becoming convinced it’s the best unit for my needs. I’d like to download or buy some great, reasonably-priced patches/presets, or whatever they’re called in Helix World, so that I can both have fun and learn how they were put together. The only caveat is I don’t want the majority of the sounds in a pack to be for metal, which I don’t play. Can you recommend anyone? I wouldn’t mind if you answer here or do it privately. Whether you can or not thanks for the excellent resource your channel is. Marco

    • @JasonSadites
      @JasonSadites  3 года назад

      Thanks so much Marco! Really glad you enjoy the videos and found them helpful. I have many presets available on the Line 6 Marketplace. They cover pretty much any style of music you could need. You can check them out here: bit.ly/sadites-marketplace

    • @Arthur_My_Dear
      @Arthur_My_Dear 3 года назад

      @@JasonSadites Great, thanks, but the link doesn’t seem to be working “There has been an error processing your request”

    • @JasonSadites
      @JasonSadites  3 года назад

      I just noticed that also. It seems the whole Line 6 Marektplace website is down at the moment. I sent a message to support and hopefully that will be sorted out soon. Maybe try the link a little later on. Sorry about that :-(

    • @Arthur_My_Dear
      @Arthur_My_Dear 3 года назад

      @@JasonSadites Hi Jason, no worries, I’ll check it out later - cheers 🍻

  • @gopalrasaili
    @gopalrasaili 3 года назад

    Helo Sir ..How To Achieve Helix Floor Tuner With Using Desktop Software Please Suggest Me Thank You From Nepal

    • @JasonSadites
      @JasonSadites  3 года назад +1

      You would need to have Helix Native software like I was using in the video.

    • @gopalrasaili
      @gopalrasaili 3 года назад

      @@JasonSadites ok sir thank you for Replying me ..

  • @jarman87
    @jarman87 3 года назад +1

    Is this available on the stomp as well?

  • @billbassler6462
    @billbassler6462 3 года назад

    How noticeable is it if you're in sweetened tuning and your bandmate/guitarist is in even temperament tuning. Seems all would need to be the same?

  • @johnnytwo-shoes9798
    @johnnytwo-shoes9798 3 года назад

    "Thanks for.... tuning in" (pun intended) 😜

  • @jaycareaga9929
    @jaycareaga9929 3 года назад

    Sweetened sounds like the Buzz Feiten tuning.system.

    • @Newnodrogbob
      @Newnodrogbob 3 года назад

      Same idea…I’m not sure about the exact pitch changes. Typically the Buzz Feiten system involved some kind of physical changes to the guitar…like the nut had to be repositioned and such. I haven’t heard about that in years though. I guess it was mostly used by Washburn…

    • @jaycareaga9929
      @jaycareaga9929 3 года назад +1

      @@Newnodrogbob Buzzy makes his own guitars with it and Tom Anderson’s guitars also have it.
      I have a Korg tuner with the intonation offset program I tried it on one guitar and it does sound more in tune even without the physical change.

  • @Hoagiemon
    @Hoagiemon 3 года назад

    Tuner inside Helix Edit. Never knew it was there, but then never looked for it in there.

    • @ensignbarabus
      @ensignbarabus 3 года назад

      Actually, Jason was in Helix Native here, I think.

    • @Vakilando
      @Vakilando 2 года назад

      @@ensignbarabus Thank you, this comment stopped me from searching for another 20 minutes 🤣
      It is not in Hx Edit, is it?

  • @dgarrett1962
    @dgarrett1962 Год назад

    tuner not in the right hand corner>>>> HELP

  • @fedest
    @fedest 3 года назад +1

    1:00 I’m not sure “hard to beat” is the best way to praise a metronome 😝