I forgot to mention Baizhu and Kokomi in video because I don't have them( And also just to be clear. This set can be really good for some dendro teams and my statement from the start of the video not true. At that time I didn't knew that we can activate this set twice. And 10 stacks over 5 makes it really good for some aggravate or spread teams. Soon we'll get Chevreuse and I'm planning to level up Diona. And in the end of this update I'll make tests with PROPER teams and characters. I hope I'll get some good pieces by that time. Have a nice day!
Dont worry about that Although you should mention that nobless buff cant stack meanning SoDP can be the second nobless Freminet is Hypercarry Charlotte use SoDP Fischl using ToTM And Lisa use Nobless while using trilling tales to buff freminet even more
I'm kinda considering using this set on C2 Baizhu because his healing is huge, fast and non-stop, even if you don't go on him ever, he continues to heal, C2 baizhu is so comfy to play
@@figloalds I agree! I got him on its release banner, because I knew that would happen the same as the Kokomi release (which I got in her time too): everyone sleeping and even shytting on them until the meta shift... I just wasn't expecting the Furina factor to be so dominant lol initially built him full healer but found it very boring, currently I have it hybrid. How do you build it if it's not too much trouble to ask? hehe
@@Asta853 depending on ur team ig if teammate scale atk go for tenacity but if you play mono hydro with yelan and furina u can usr this cuz both of them didnt scale with atk
since this set giving a flat dmg bonus i think this is going to tobe good for supporting hp and def scaling character since they doesn't benefit much from noblesse
Full DPS Noelle! If you are using Dori as battery you can just stack DEF on Noelle and not worry about energy recharge so much. Pretty much permanently shield also....
I tested the set and found out some nice info. The recording effect takes 6 seconds of recording but it counts ALL healing that take place within 6 seconds meaning that if someone is healing every 2 secs, it will record 4 healing ticks: -1st healing tick at second 0 : the set starts the recording and includes this healing in the count. -2nd healing tick at second 2: recorded -3rd healing tick at second 4: recorded -4th healing tick at second 6: it will still be recorded. And also, for the yearning effect you don't need to "consume" the stacks fast. The yearning effect is independent from the stacks you have, the recording will go on and on even in you don't consume the stacks as long as you are continously healing.
I love how insightful and organized your videos are. Its entertaining to see the breakdowns without reading a boring guide and has a lot of useful things without feeling like theres fillers of yapping
I think this set could be really good for none atk scalers like Neuvi, driver Yelan or Kokomi, or any other character that doesn't benefit from Noblesse/Tanacity.
Kokomi is somewhat more of a sub-optimal user. While she would have wonderful uptime on max bonus of the set, her inability to do practical crits lower the value of the damage bonus.
I wonder how the set will perform in melt reactions. Also the new set is probably for Cloud retainer in Xiao teams. So we need to farm it AT + ER mostly.
Considering Xiao is the only character who actually increases damage the longer he’s on field, most likely. It takes time to actually get the buff, and he doesn’t have weaker damage sources other than his plunge during it to steal the procs. More cozy than Bennett with no circle impact too. Definitely is not a good set, but at least it’s not completely useless.
Charlotte is the first character I thought of, but I struggle getting her Burst up, but she has a lot of advantages like being part of a Superconduct team + Thrilling Tales.
i thought about that too, but it would be a decent bonus at best.. because its limited to 5 hit.. and zhongli hit 5 times at the speed of light.. meaning that for basically another 4 seconds after he used the buff , his attack will have no buffs at all from the character using that set.. Is basically the same problem with Shen he chills, she is limited to 5-7 hit. which get better with C1 since you can cast the skill twice, but its still a pain for the rotations and the dps overall. That's why C6 shen he is a must if you want to use her at her best. (and cryo zhongli or whoever normal attack wrio etc..)
@@WastedTalent83 if shenhe is practically as useless as you say she is (needing c6 or c1 for her to be viable) then shouldnt she have been a 4* dmg buffer like kujou sara or faruzan?
@@mwcshk113 could you stop putting word in people mouth? that's a pretty horrible behavior. I never said she is is "practically useless" and never even intended it. I use her myself and i really like her. but her best potential as support (like many others) come out at C6 for normal attack and charged attack, because the chills will still be 7 top, for skill and burst.
@@WastedTalent83you just get me you know. Not just a shepherd c6 but make it ganyu c6 because she desperately needs it in order to even do a little damage. And in my opinion kazuha is trash if he isn’t c5.
@@mabledoesart you sense of humor must be world rank level :D i don't think i can ever make a recovery from your roasting for how fun it was.... you're one of those uh? lol
freminet when his skill is active gives a extra instance attack that is considered elemental skill damage labeled as frost damage in the skill info, the hits went from 452 to 1470. this is whats eating some of the stacks for the skills, so at most you can probably get 3 physical hits if your lucky it doesnt get eating by a cryo hit eariler. considering no one in that team decreases cryo res and def scaling, its about the right amount
I think a lot of players understood this set wrong, the set buff does activate ever 6s, but the cooldown is not 10s, its 10s or 5 attacks, so it benefits characters that can do 5 instance of damage quickly. Also I haven't tested this yet, but I think Yearning gets activated directly after the Waves phase gets triggered, after the 6s, so if you use up the stacks 3 seconds after, the next wave phase will be activated 3 seconds after, assuming you were healing during that time.. like I said, i haven't tested it yet, this is just how i understood the set from reading it.
The buff can activate twice per rotation because the 10s isn't a cool down, its just how long the buff lasts if you dont immediately use it. Considering the set only buffs 5 attacks you can dish out those attacks in under 2 seconds before the holding character heals again since no healers apart from Furina heals for longer than 12s to my knowledge. If the character attacks more slowly and doesn't finish attacking after the healing activates again though, its a good idea to have the healer heal past 5k per tick to maximise the amount recorded by the set in those last 2 ticks of healing. But for Mika and Qiqi that might be different but im not sure. Edit: I've tested this out with Kokomi and you don't actually need to use the buff or wait for it to run out before it starts counting healing again. So any healer with at least a healing duration of 12s will be able to activate the buff twice regardless of whether or not the buff is all used up.
Qiqi heals for 15s with her burst, and also with her elemental skill. Barbara's elemental skill also lasts longer than that. C2 Kuki's E lasts 15s, though it doesn't heal on use, so effectively slightly less. So there definitely are healer abilities that exceed the 12s mark. And a lot of healers do have multiple healing abilities that would let them exceed 12s of healing coverage. Jean has her burst and her melee. Charlotte has her C1 and C6. Dori has her burst and C6. Sayu has swirl proc and burst. And so on. Though for these, you can generally control the effect, so as to not screw up rotational timing.
kuki is the best one to have this set. But really the best part about this set is you can put them on 2 characters. And this works with fontaine characters' heal mechanic aswell. If by example you use this on neuv then use it with kuki. You will have 100% uptime for the buff.
for the anemo healers and coming cloud retainer the sodp will most likely be best for wanderer/xiao hypercarry teams ofc since you are trying to do only anemo dmg no need for viri
i use this set for my kuki in my itto-gorou-geo MC team (em-em-em bc i use kuki in hyperbloom sometimes hehe). as others have mentioned, maybe this set is for carries with non-atk scaling abilities (and long field time). there was some considerable and noticeable difference of dmg dealt by itto when kuki is using 4pf SoDP and 4pc TotM
Thanks for the video. I found a really good use for a specific team that you might want to discuss if you make a follow up. Neuvilette Furina teams often use Beizou as he gets the fanfare stacks extremely quick. But with him the dendro sets are not great if you pair him with non electro teammates as often done. So for example a build like Kazuha Furina Neuvilette and Beizou dosen't have a better healer set. I have this set with descent stats now and is really enhancing my Neuvilette.
You did figure out the trick in the end. With enough healing you get 5 hits buffed every 6 seconds perpetually. Personally I think it works perfectly on kuki. I've been farming a full em set for her but it's been rough getting em main stat to drop. Stuck with a purple crown for now but still 800 em total.
I would like to see more of your testing on "continuous off-field healers". It's actually huge if tick healers can activate the effect multiple times from off-field. Currently, I'm trying this set on mika in Eula team where C6 rosaria is on noblesse set. And other, on chevreuse in yoimiya team with bennett on noblesse.
i'm currently using the set on my charlotte with navia. you can really see when the buff kicks in. but yeah, looks like nobaliese would be better for charlotte.
This is what i thought the set was made honestly, some healer that feeds Navia´s 2 shots, i imagine that bennet can use it if we have Furina on the team too.
Charlotte c6 does have some sustained healing, too bad it requires you to wait for her elemental skill to charge up because it could've been perfect on her when she's ran with another NO user.
I feel like this artifact set will be really good with Chevruesse, especially if she's C6 becuase she'll have some burst healing to have consistent uptime on the buff and tons of DMG bonus. With C6 she won't be required to be in a Overload only team, so she'll be able to be paired with an anemo user even if they don't heal. I have 2 teams I want to try with her and this set. Raiden/Chevruesse/Kazuha/Furina - Tons of damage bonuses and since I only have an ATK% Goblet, this might actually yield tons of damage. Raiden/Chevruesse/Bennett/Sara - The most obvious Hyper Raiden team to use once Chevruesse shows up. I want to try it against bosses and bennett already runs Noblesse. I also hope to get C2 Kuki and try this set on her. She already runs 4Pc tenacity, but... idk, if i can heal more using this set I'd want to see if she'd be okay on a furina team in case I have to use Jean and bennett elsewhere.
Sooo this set just makes any healer that meets the requirements Furina... that's pretty dope! Thank you so much for the video, I was never going to understand this set by myself lol
Yeah for my dori I’ve just been using dendro set for dendro res shred but often times depending what team I’m running she isn’t always working with dendro teams. Glad it’s a good dori set or id feel bad grinding it out for Navia (I actually use dori a lot).
Thanks for the breakdown on this set, most others would have ended with the Ayaka like example but you keep digging and through plot twist this set up ends up being somewhat worthy on Dori. I'm interested in getting Chevy and planned to pull her so it's nice to see this set can get some mileage on her too.
I use this set in the team: furina, yelan, mona, hu tao. Mona with a prototype and a healing сirclet easily activates this set, but it begins to take effect at the very end of E hu tao. The bonus is: 12% to charged attacks and + 34% to normal ones for my hu tao. I think that the most useful set will be with pyro-multiplying reactions. I didn’t know that the set could work every 6 seconds, this gives me a reason to think more about possible teams -_-
Oh that's very interesting, that you can activate it more than once per rotation! I'm curious how it would compare with the clam set on off field sustained healers... since the clam set would hit 3-4 times, with up to like 27k damage per hit... maybe the new set would be better for weaker healers who can't get the full clam damage?
Fr he even provide guide for underrated character and weapon unlike other streamer who always say 'oh just dont usr this fav is better' 'i might use festering instead of this'
Watching your video is like watching horse racing commentary lol.... anyway, yes it's the players who misunderstood the description. 10s is not cooldown, it's how long the buff will last if 5 hits are not done fast. So dori heal last 12s... healing record starts and after 6s the buff starts for 5 hits, BUT in this time the healing is still on-going, so at the end of another 6s(which is 12s of dori total healing duration, another 5 hits are buffed. Quite easy to understand. But I'm not sure why this set is compared to noblese instead of another healing set which is clam set? The thing that people say this set is not so good is because clam set can easily dealt around 30k physical dmg every 3s but this new set can only buff active character's 5 hit with an increased of a roughly 10k or less each hit.
Idk when i tested songs vs noblesse on my bennett i songs gave my diluc better numbers not that far apart in skill damage but a decent increase in last normal atk and burst dmg.
I beleave a yao yao as deeps in a dendro/electro team could use this set for a constante heal/buff could be something, BUT getting high HP,ATK and rit value is nuts. PS: I saw the fixed comment right before posting this. Should really be nice to have =D
I was actually curious on the uses of this set so I wanted to revisit it. Healer Gorou at c4? Geo units will make the most at of the set but I'm not sure on the build seeing as you just need def and er and healing bonus to try and hit the 5k necessary (Even then it's a massive stretch, is there a way to make gorou heal even half that?)
What constellation are the characters? I want to build the Ayaka team since I have everyone but Kazuha (who I'm planning to get), but I'm not that familiar with most character constellations and how they look.
Yeah this domain hates me as well. I only got one useable artifact so far... and I want to equip Navia and Ningguang AND have that healing set ready for Xianyun. She's an AOE/Party wide healer (continuous/off-field healing), so she can hit the cap fast and repeatedly. The set also buffs plunge damage which she can enable. So I think the set is actually good for her. If not well, we always have the good but kind of boring VV. Apparently you don't just get flat 1200 damage added on at the end of the damage calculation. The 1200 gets added to your base damage *before* the calculations of crits, reactions and other multipliers. Plunge damage multipliers are usually huge, which helps this set increase its damage output.
I think what people are missing is this set is not for atk scalling damage dealers. Hp, def, ect needed a set like this. People like nuevolette get zero from the atk boost but this set is huge. As more not atk based dps come it will have greater value
Thanks for saving me the hassle to try it out on a yaoyao build...since you said at the end you will revisit it for the skill healers....can you compare it on ToTM set as thats gives 20% atk for when a skill hit opponents.
I don’t know if this is helpful but with my fully built dori with crowned burst and constellations her healing can hit 15k in one tick if your healed character has less that 50% hp
i'm confused, is it flat damage or is it damage %, cause it says % but i noticed u were calling other dmg bonuses as flat when they're usually %. Is this me being dyslexic or?
if i use sodp on baizhu in keqing aggravate team (keqing fischl baizhu kazuha) it will good or the performance is under than baizhu with noblesse?, not using deepwood cause i think the most damage is aggravate which is electro damage. i can farm on it while farm for navia artifacts too
@@doug3454 why? seems like it might have some potential. i know he has the other crit rate set but no harm in experimenting. if i followed the meta, i wouldn't be rank #1 on akasha for like a year and a half now on my noelle.
Unfortunately marechausse is just too great to pass up for him. You gain the 2 piece bonus of 20% charged attack damage in addition to the crit boost allowing for you to build a ton of crit damage. Something like this is probably better on baizhu who can heal 30,000 partywide off a single e if built right (even more consistently if he has the healing bonus passive talent active)
@@goldendocsonic2012 it's a bit of extra fun to have with the game. that's why it was made in the first place. why? if you're happy with your participation award, all the better for you! when someone else does something awesome, you can proudly say: "I was there." and point to the smudge on the stands in the photo that you think is you.
It’s definitely made for xianyun. Since she buffs plunge attacks, the limited buffing (10 attacks) isn’t a huge deal. But for most characters I don’t think the set is useable.
@@rakharizqullaha.f.2713 Yes, it's only for 5 hits, but the effect can be triggered again right after you get the buff. So if you want the most benefit out of it, you want a healer that can heal continuously for at least 12s. Xianyun can theoretically trigger the set 3 times, so that's 15 hits at most.
The set is best in slot for Benny in certain teams. Basically, with Furina and a non-atk scaling DPS. You want the 5 star artifacts to get big Benny heals, but Noblesse won't help the carry. And since many of those non-atk scalers are hydro, you can also get vaporize in the mix, to further boost the damage. Benny's burst also lasts long enough to trigger the set 2x. As far as healers that can maximize the set, Kuki is up there. With 1.5s pulses, she only needs to heal 4k per tick, which she can do while still being built for EM. And with her c2, she has 100% uptime on her elemental skill. Of course, the downside to this is that you'll have a harder time controlling who gets the five hits. The whole "need to start the healing 6s before the main DPS takes the field" bit is a major drawback for this set. Also, there is no diminishing returns stacking it with Aggravate/Spread. It adds the exact same amount of damage with the same stats. Yes, percentage-wise, it'll be a smaller percent of your total damage, but that's not what DR means. That's like saying Atk% has DR because the value of DMG and CrD increase due to that higher attack. But that does not mean Atk% has DR, as each % of atk adds the same amount of damage as the one before. To see actual DR in action, look at EM, where the flat increase is less and less as your EM goes up.
No doubt new set is directly for Xianyun to boost HoYo favourite little boy Xiao because he is a bit out of meta . Xianyun with her c2 and this set will create new plunge monster because her burst heal overtime so 5 boosted hits more than once per Q.
I have usable but not great geo set items except the flower Im still rocking a purple one on my navia game refuses to give me one that isn't def% flat def em and flat hp.
if dori can use sodp. then i have question. which is better, c0 dori sodp vs c0 sara? because not everyone have c6 sara and willing use it before c6's... in this question assumption using dori sodp on raiden hypercarry alternative :v
Just... why? Dori does crap damage. Raiden already provides a ton of energy. And since Raiden scales with atk, Noblesse will likely get you more benefit. Beyond that, there is dendro, for aggravate, hydro for some electro charged, and damage dealing electros like Beidou and Fischl. And many of those, as well as anemo, have healer options as well.
@@Axterix13 1st. NOT using dori as dps, BUT as SUPPORT by using SODP, because dont have C6 sara. does everyone recomend c0 sara? No! C6 sara? YES!. 2nd. already have bennett nobless. if set can stack by multiple characters i dont bother ask on first place :v 3. Raiden Aggavate? NO. no one recomend it even Yae Miko does it better than Raiden on aggravatr team. can work but it below other 5* electro even keqing does it better.
I think a good test would be slotting the party with 1 or 2 subdps units, does each character get 5 bonified attacks or are the 5 attacks shared by the team? Either A or B, if I can go stacking as my team uses those bonified attacks, wouldnt C2 Baizhu kinda slap with that set?
Per the set's description, few problems with that: 1. The buff only affects your active character. So any sub-DPSs don't benefit from it. 2. It's a DMG% buff, which means it's fully dynamic (think Furina's fanfare). So it's applied at the moment the attack hits and can't be snapshotted (again, sub/off-field DPSs get shafted). 3. The description states "effect is removed after it has taken effect 5 times or 10 seconds pass". So the instances are counted globally by the set itself rather than for each character, and worse, it has Shenhe's quills' (or Yun Jin's burst) issue, where in an AOE scenario, it can be spent very quickly. In theory, you could have "100% uptime" on this set's effect if you have a healer who can reliably hit 15k every 6 seconds, but most DPSs don't make full use of the buff in single-target (I can only think of Gaming and maybe Wriothesley) and in AOE it's only active every 6 seconds for 1 or 2 attacks. It'd be fairly good in co-op healbot Furina, since with 4 people on-field at all times and 100% uptime on her skill, she could reliably reach the healing threshold. But even then it feels like she'd be better off using a different set. The only scenario I can see this being useful in is a team like the one showcased at the end, where one of your characters can't use anything else because it's already covered by other units, so even if it doesn't do much, it at least does *something* compared to whatever the alternative is (end even then, I feel like using emblem or clam on Dori would be better).
doesn't the set say it can't stack? also who brings 3 healers? Not only that, 3 that can actually use the set. uh baizhu, jean and dori for a neuvillette team? cool but how does bringing kazuha instead of jean compare?
4240 Resin is roughly around 70.66 Fragile Resins, assuming they didn't save any Condensed Resin and walk in with max Resin (if they did, that would account for about 360 Resin). And to answer you, some people just don't use their Fragile Resin at all. Ends up adding up after a while.
I was lucky enough to get one atk sand with crit rate and damage before even pulling for navia. Since then, never saw a single sand from the navia set ever again. Not even with other main stats. And only 4 flowers (3 of which are completely unusable). Been grinding the domain since update dropped. In comparison: after 2 weeks of farming the golden troupe domain, I already had cracked full sets for neuvillette, furina and fischl with almost perfect stats. This domain is rigged for sure. Getting huge EOSF domain vibes (2 years since I got yoimiya and I still have to see a single atk shimenawa sand with both crit rate and damage on it). Ps. My songs pieces are 10 times more than the navia ones, but also completely and utterly trash. Talking about flat atk, def and hp substats kinda trash. I hate when genshin does this (another domain that does this is the deepwood one. 90% pieces are gilded, and the chances of getting any decent substats is like 1%). This is exactly why alhaitham, yoimiya and navia (3 of my most favorite characters) have the copiumest builds ever. Also, shoutout to the wonderful husk domain. 6000 clam pieces and still not enough to gear decently one single healer.
@@losergamer04 a quick estimate has gorou only hitting around 6000 healing in the 6s period even with a healing bonus circlet, at that point you might as well use the prototype amber since its healing is party wide meaning a party with an averaged hp of 30k would hit cap in 2 ticks *(an r5 amber heals the entire party for 6% of max hp and said healing should be boosted by a healing circlet+the arti-sets 2pc effect, so if you're parties average hp is on the higher side due to having chars like furina, yelan, Zhongli or Neauvilette you should hit the cap easily every time the amber holder bursts.)
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I forgot to mention Baizhu and Kokomi in video because I don't have them(
And also just to be clear. This set can be really good for some dendro teams and my statement from the start of the video not true. At that time I didn't knew that we can activate this set twice. And 10 stacks over 5 makes it really good for some aggravate or spread teams.
Soon we'll get Chevreuse and I'm planning to level up Diona. And in the end of this update I'll make tests with PROPER teams and characters. I hope I'll get some good pieces by that time.
Have a nice day!
Dont worry about that
Although you should mention that nobless buff cant stack meanning SoDP can be the second nobless
Freminet is Hypercarry
Charlotte use SoDP
Fischl using ToTM
And Lisa use Nobless while using trilling tales to buff freminet even more
I'm kinda considering using this set on C2 Baizhu because his healing is huge, fast and non-stop, even if you don't go on him ever, he continues to heal, C2 baizhu is so comfy to play
@@figloalds I agree! I got him on its release banner, because I knew that would happen the same as the Kokomi release (which I got in her time too): everyone sleeping and even shytting on them until the meta shift... I just wasn't expecting the Furina factor to be so dominant lol
initially built him full healer but found it very boring, currently I have it hybrid. How do you build it if it's not too much trouble to ask? hehe
This set or tenacity on kokomi?
@@Asta853 depending on ur team ig if teammate scale atk go for tenacity but if you play mono hydro with yelan and furina u can usr this cuz both of them didnt scale with atk
since this set giving a flat dmg bonus i think this is going to tobe good for supporting hp and def scaling character since they doesn't benefit much from noblesse
Exactly what I'm thinking
This is why people should ask for "custom loadouts" in surveys. Swapping artifacts for teams is such a PITA, to the point I simply don't do it at all.
Yeah that's what I thought, but then Neuvi spend all 5 hits quota with a single CA.
Full DPS Noelle! If you are using Dori as battery you can just stack DEF on Noelle and not worry about energy recharge so much. Pretty much permanently shield also....
And almost every buff in the game applies to flat Dmg. Xianyun gonna use it very well.
I tested the set and found out some nice info.
The recording effect takes 6 seconds of recording but it counts ALL healing that take place within 6 seconds meaning that if someone is healing every 2 secs, it will record 4 healing ticks:
-1st healing tick at second 0 : the set starts the recording and includes this healing in the count.
-2nd healing tick at second 2: recorded
-3rd healing tick at second 4: recorded
-4th healing tick at second 6: it will still be recorded.
And also, for the yearning effect you don't need to "consume" the stacks fast.
The yearning effect is independent from the stacks you have, the recording will go on and on even in you don't consume the stacks as long as you are continously healing.
Glad to see some tests on the set, I was curious about it. Great job, thanks! :)
me and the other 2.5 dori mains are happy to hear she has a new set
I love how insightful and organized your videos are. Its entertaining to see the breakdowns without reading a boring guide and has a lot of useful things without feeling like theres fillers of yapping
I think this set could be really good for none atk scalers like Neuvi, driver Yelan or Kokomi, or any other character that doesn't benefit from Noblesse/Tanacity.
That is exactly it's purpose but those crackheads are stuck with atk% xD
neuvi finishes the stacks instantly
Kokomi is somewhat more of a sub-optimal user. While she would have wonderful uptime on max bonus of the set, her inability to do practical crits lower the value of the damage bonus.
@@FelipeCollaltoproblem is buff can only be used 5 times
I wonder how the set will perform in melt reactions.
Also the new set is probably for Cloud retainer in Xiao teams. So we need to farm it AT + ER mostly.
Considering Xiao is the only character who actually increases damage the longer he’s on field, most likely. It takes time to actually get the buff, and he doesn’t have weaker damage sources other than his plunge during it to steal the procs. More cozy than Bennett with no circle impact too. Definitely is not a good set, but at least it’s not completely useless.
Charlotte is the first character I thought of, but I struggle getting her Burst up, but she has a lot of advantages like being part of a Superconduct team + Thrilling Tales.
WAIT physical Zhongli would be better because of R5 crescent pike giving you crazy flat buffs AND he attacks the fastest with his spin attack
i thought about that too, but it would be a decent bonus at best.. because its limited to 5 hit.. and zhongli hit 5 times at the speed of light.. meaning that for basically another 4 seconds after he used the buff , his attack will have no buffs at all from the character using that set..
Is basically the same problem with Shen he chills, she is limited to 5-7 hit. which get better with C1 since you can cast the skill twice, but its still a pain for the rotations and the dps overall. That's why C6 shen he is a must if you want to use her at her best. (and cryo zhongli or whoever normal attack wrio etc..)
@@WastedTalent83 if shenhe is practically as useless as you say she is (needing c6 or c1 for her to be viable) then shouldnt she have been a 4* dmg buffer like kujou sara or faruzan?
@@mwcshk113 could you stop putting word in people mouth? that's a pretty horrible behavior. I never said she is is "practically useless" and never even intended it. I use her myself and i really like her. but her best potential as support (like many others) come out at C6 for normal attack and charged attack, because the chills will still be 7 top, for skill and burst.
@@WastedTalent83you just get me you know. Not just a shepherd c6 but make it ganyu c6 because she desperately needs it in order to even do a little damage. And in my opinion kazuha is trash if he isn’t c5.
@@mabledoesart you sense of humor must be world rank level :D i don't think i can ever make a recovery from your roasting for how fun it was.... you're one of those uh? lol
freminet when his skill is active gives a extra instance attack that is considered elemental skill damage labeled as frost damage in the skill info, the hits went from 452 to 1470. this is whats eating some of the stacks for the skills, so at most you can probably get 3 physical hits if your lucky it doesnt get eating by a cryo hit eariler. considering no one in that team decreases cryo res and def scaling, its about the right amount
I think a lot of players understood this set wrong, the set buff does activate ever 6s, but the cooldown is not 10s, its 10s or 5 attacks, so it benefits characters that can do 5 instance of damage quickly.
Also I haven't tested this yet, but I think Yearning gets activated directly after the Waves phase gets triggered, after the 6s, so if you use up the stacks 3 seconds after, the next wave phase will be activated 3 seconds after, assuming you were healing during that time.. like I said, i haven't tested it yet, this is just how i understood the set from reading it.
The buff can activate twice per rotation because the 10s isn't a cool down, its just how long the buff lasts if you dont immediately use it. Considering the set only buffs 5 attacks you can dish out those attacks in under 2 seconds before the holding character heals again since no healers apart from Furina heals for longer than 12s to my knowledge. If the character attacks more slowly and doesn't finish attacking after the healing activates again though, its a good idea to have the healer heal past 5k per tick to maximise the amount recorded by the set in those last 2 ticks of healing. But for Mika and Qiqi that might be different but im not sure.
Edit: I've tested this out with Kokomi and you don't actually need to use the buff or wait for it to run out before it starts counting healing again. So any healer with at least a healing duration of 12s will be able to activate the buff twice regardless of whether or not the buff is all used up.
Qiqi heals for 15s with her burst, and also with her elemental skill. Barbara's elemental skill also lasts longer than that. C2 Kuki's E lasts 15s, though it doesn't heal on use, so effectively slightly less. So there definitely are healer abilities that exceed the 12s mark.
And a lot of healers do have multiple healing abilities that would let them exceed 12s of healing coverage. Jean has her burst and her melee. Charlotte has her C1 and C6. Dori has her burst and C6. Sayu has swirl proc and burst. And so on. Though for these, you can generally control the effect, so as to not screw up rotational timing.
kuki is the best one to have this set. But really the best part about this set is you can put them on 2 characters. And this works with fontaine characters' heal mechanic aswell. If by example you use this on neuv then use it with kuki. You will have 100% uptime for the buff.
@@Axterix13 dang i forgot about constellations. Thanks for the reminder
for the anemo healers and coming cloud retainer the sodp will most likely be best for wanderer/xiao hypercarry teams ofc since you are trying to do only anemo dmg no need for viri
Seems likely. Though with her plunge attack incentives, seems to me wanderer may not synergize with her well.
i use this set for my kuki in my itto-gorou-geo MC team (em-em-em bc i use kuki in hyperbloom sometimes hehe). as others have mentioned, maybe this set is for carries with non-atk scaling abilities (and long field time). there was some considerable and noticeable difference of dmg dealt by itto when kuki is using 4pf SoDP and 4pc TotM
Thanks for the video. I found a really good use for a specific team that you might want to discuss if you make a follow up. Neuvilette Furina teams often use Beizou as he gets the fanfare stacks extremely quick. But with him the dendro sets are not great if you pair him with non electro teammates as often done. So for example a build like Kazuha Furina Neuvilette and Beizou dosen't have a better healer set. I have this set with descent stats now and is really enhancing my Neuvilette.
I just did the same, I use Neuvi, Furina, Kazuha and Baizhu, this set improved my damage by a little bit and it's overall the best option available.
You did figure out the trick in the end. With enough healing you get 5 hits buffed every 6 seconds perpetually. Personally I think it works perfectly on kuki. I've been farming a full em set for her but it's been rough getting em main stat to drop. Stuck with a purple crown for now but still 800 em total.
I would like to see more of your testing on "continuous off-field healers". It's actually huge if tick healers can activate the effect multiple times from off-field. Currently, I'm trying this set on mika in Eula team where C6 rosaria is on noblesse set. And other, on chevreuse in yoimiya team with bennett on noblesse.
i'm currently using the set on my charlotte with navia. you can really see when the buff kicks in. but yeah, looks like nobaliese would be better for charlotte.
This is what i thought the set was made honestly, some healer that feeds Navia´s 2 shots, i imagine that bennet can use it if we have Furina on the team too.
Charlotte c6 does have some sustained healing, too bad it requires you to wait for her elemental skill to charge up because it could've been perfect on her when she's ran with another NO user.
I feel like this artifact set will be really good with Chevruesse, especially if she's C6 becuase she'll have some burst healing to have consistent uptime on the buff and tons of DMG bonus.
With C6 she won't be required to be in a Overload only team, so she'll be able to be paired with an anemo user even if they don't heal.
I have 2 teams I want to try with her and this set.
Raiden/Chevruesse/Kazuha/Furina - Tons of damage bonuses and since I only have an ATK% Goblet, this might actually yield tons of damage.
Raiden/Chevruesse/Bennett/Sara - The most obvious Hyper Raiden team to use once Chevruesse shows up. I want to try it against bosses and bennett already runs Noblesse.
I also hope to get C2 Kuki and try this set on her. She already runs 4Pc tenacity, but... idk, if i can heal more using this set I'd want to see if she'd be okay on a furina team in case I have to use Jean and bennett elsewhere.
Sooo this set just makes any healer that meets the requirements Furina... that's pretty dope! Thank you so much for the video, I was never going to understand this set by myself lol
Yeah for my dori I’ve just been using dendro set for dendro res shred but often times depending what team I’m running she isn’t always working with dendro teams. Glad it’s a good dori set or id feel bad grinding it out for Navia (I actually use dori a lot).
Man... time to build my c6 Dori 🤣🤣I can't believe I just said that but I am currently farming for Navia so yeah might as well.
It's probably decent on Xianyun when you can't get VV to work. Can't think of a situation that isn't super cope, but that's the nature of this set...
This is a perfect video, thank you for the test!
This is a great video! Thanks for doing these tests!
Thanks for the breakdown on this set, most others would have ended with the Ayaka like example but you keep digging and through plot twist this set up ends up being somewhat worthy on Dori. I'm interested in getting Chevy and planned to pull her so it's nice to see this set can get some mileage on her too.
I use this set in the team: furina, yelan, mona, hu tao.
Mona with a prototype and a healing сirclet easily activates this set, but it begins to take effect at the very end of E hu tao.
The bonus is: 12% to charged attacks and + 34% to normal ones for my hu tao.
I think that the most useful set will be with pyro-multiplying reactions.
I didn’t know that the set could work every 6 seconds, this gives me a reason to think more about possible teams -_-
Great video. Thanks for doing all the testing for us.
Great content straight forward no unnecessary things keep up the good work brother
Thanks for the testing!
Oh that's very interesting, that you can activate it more than once per rotation! I'm curious how it would compare with the clam set on off field sustained healers... since the clam set would hit 3-4 times, with up to like 27k damage per hit... maybe the new set would be better for weaker healers who can't get the full clam damage?
underatted fr keep it up
Fr he even provide guide for underrated character and weapon unlike other streamer who always say 'oh just dont usr this fav is better' 'i might use festering instead of this'
Watching your video is like watching horse racing commentary lol.... anyway, yes it's the players who misunderstood the description. 10s is not cooldown, it's how long the buff will last if 5 hits are not done fast. So dori heal last 12s... healing record starts and after 6s the buff starts for 5 hits, BUT in this time the healing is still on-going, so at the end of another 6s(which is 12s of dori total healing duration, another 5 hits are buffed. Quite easy to understand.
But I'm not sure why this set is compared to noblese instead of another healing set which is clam set? The thing that people say this set is not so good is because clam set can easily dealt around 30k physical dmg every 3s but this new set can only buff active character's 5 hit with an increased of a roughly 10k or less each hit.
i like your video bro, very informative! thank you.
Idk when i tested songs vs noblesse on my bennett i songs gave my diluc better numbers not that far apart in skill damage but a decent increase in last normal atk and burst dmg.
The healing recorded, does it counts 4k heals to each member hence 16k recorded? Or only 4k is counted as it is a 4k heal?
this might actually be insane to help keqing burst, it’s worth a test at least
There might be a use for that set on prototype Amber-tank fei or other non-healing catalyst users in the future
Thank you really much for the reallyyyyyyyy test ❤❤❤
Hello, this new healer Set is made for Cloud Retrainer . Could you make a video if she releases in 4.4?
I beleave a yao yao as deeps in a dendro/electro team could use this set for a constante heal/buff could be something, BUT getting high HP,ATK and rit value is nuts.
PS: I saw the fixed comment right before posting this. Should really be nice to have =D
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I watched the live stream, I have not farmed artifacts there since.
that was mind blowing man
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Been waiting for this
Thank you for your hard work!
Very good guide and very detailed
I was actually curious on the uses of this set so I wanted to revisit it. Healer Gorou at c4? Geo units will make the most at of the set but I'm not sure on the build seeing as you just need def and er and healing bonus to try and hit the 5k necessary (Even then it's a massive stretch, is there a way to make gorou heal even half that?)
What constellation are the characters? I want to build the Ayaka team since I have everyone but Kazuha (who I'm planning to get), but I'm not that familiar with most character constellations and how they look.
I think Jean would be interesting. VV is kinda pointless in a mono Anemo team (C4), or a Geo team.
Yeah this domain hates me as well. I only got one useable artifact so far... and I want to equip Navia and Ningguang AND have that healing set ready for Xianyun. She's an AOE/Party wide healer (continuous/off-field healing), so she can hit the cap fast and repeatedly. The set also buffs plunge damage which she can enable. So I think the set is actually good for her. If not well, we always have the good but kind of boring VV.
Apparently you don't just get flat 1200 damage added on at the end of the damage calculation. The 1200 gets added to your base damage *before* the calculations of crits, reactions and other multipliers. Plunge damage multipliers are usually huge, which helps this set increase its damage output.
I think what people are missing is this set is not for atk scalling damage dealers. Hp, def, ect needed a set like this. People like nuevolette get zero from the atk boost but this set is huge. As more not atk based dps come it will have greater value
Heals a party member is the premise here, ergo atk scalers like sayu that heal with atk count as well unless the translation is wrong
I wouldn't call it huge. But at least it is non-zero.
it is good for baizhu in keqing aggra team (keqing baizhu fischl kazuha)? or it will still better using noblesse rather than sodp on baizhu?
Thanks for saving me the hassle to try it out on a yaoyao build...since you said at the end you will revisit it for the skill healers....can you compare it on ToTM set as thats gives 20% atk for when a skill hit opponents.
I don’t know if this is helpful but with my fully built dori with crowned burst and constellations her healing can hit 15k in one tick if your healed character has less that 50% hp
i'm confused, is it flat damage or is it damage %, cause it says % but i noticed u were calling other dmg bonuses as flat when they're usually %. Is this me being dyslexic or?
if i use sodp on baizhu in keqing aggravate team (keqing fischl baizhu kazuha) it will good or the performance is under than baizhu with noblesse?, not using deepwood cause i think the most damage is aggravate which is electro damage. i can farm on it while farm for navia artifacts too
I know right? The drop rate of the new geo set is soooo low. I get like 5 geo set and then 30 song of the past. So sad...
Just curious, this may not sound sensible but, can neuvillette proc this artifact passive, you know since he self heals ??
He probably can, but pls don't 😂
@@doug3454 why? seems like it might have some potential. i know he has the other crit rate set but no harm in experimenting. if i followed the meta, i wouldn't be rank #1 on akasha for like a year and a half now on my noelle.
@@GenshinYuppe ppl cared about their rankings on akasha?
Unfortunately marechausse is just too great to pass up for him. You gain the 2 piece bonus of 20% charged attack damage in addition to the crit boost allowing for you to build a ton of crit damage. Something like this is probably better on baizhu who can heal 30,000 partywide off a single e if built right (even more consistently if he has the healing bonus passive talent active)
@@goldendocsonic2012 it's a bit of extra fun to have with the game. that's why it was made in the first place. why?
if you're happy with your participation award, all the better for you! when someone else does something awesome, you can proudly say: "I was there." and point to the smudge on the stands in the photo that you think is you.
our first good news about dori at all!
Would off field characters get the buff as well if so wouldn't they steal some of the 5 hits the buff it gives or they they all get the 5 hit buffs?
ninguang prototype amber healing bonus artifact
It’s definitely made for xianyun. Since she buffs plunge attacks, the limited buffing (10 attacks) isn’t a huge deal. But for most characters I don’t think the set is useable.
..... The buffing limit, is for 5 attacks only.
@@rakharizqullaha.f.2713 Yes, it's only for 5 hits, but the effect can be triggered again right after you get the buff. So if you want the most benefit out of it, you want a healer that can heal continuously for at least 12s. Xianyun can theoretically trigger the set 3 times, so that's 15 hits at most.
I think Neuvillette can finished the stack instantly with how he heals.
out of topic but how do you change your party background like that?
The set is best in slot for Benny in certain teams. Basically, with Furina and a non-atk scaling DPS. You want the 5 star artifacts to get big Benny heals, but Noblesse won't help the carry. And since many of those non-atk scalers are hydro, you can also get vaporize in the mix, to further boost the damage. Benny's burst also lasts long enough to trigger the set 2x.
As far as healers that can maximize the set, Kuki is up there. With 1.5s pulses, she only needs to heal 4k per tick, which she can do while still being built for EM. And with her c2, she has 100% uptime on her elemental skill. Of course, the downside to this is that you'll have a harder time controlling who gets the five hits. The whole "need to start the healing 6s before the main DPS takes the field" bit is a major drawback for this set.
Also, there is no diminishing returns stacking it with Aggravate/Spread. It adds the exact same amount of damage with the same stats. Yes, percentage-wise, it'll be a smaller percent of your total damage, but that's not what DR means. That's like saying Atk% has DR because the value of DMG and CrD increase due to that higher attack. But that does not mean Atk% has DR, as each % of atk adds the same amount of damage as the one before. To see actual DR in action, look at EM, where the flat increase is less and less as your EM goes up.
No doubt new set is directly for Xianyun to boost HoYo favourite little boy Xiao because he is a bit out of meta . Xianyun with her c2 and this set will create new plunge monster because her burst heal overtime so 5 boosted hits more than once per Q.
I would like to see Bennett anyway. I have to farm out a healing set for him to use in Furina teams, it was ok it would make the domain farmable.
Me who got a complete set of Charlotte 40 crit rate 200 er 2k atk in 360 resin
Is this set good for eula? In eula - raiden - furina - charlotte team ?
Bro if you have zhongli on your team. You can just use electro traveler for itto's burst. Andd bam!! infinite burst on itto :D
Chevreuse can use this set for Shogun Raiden teams?
And so it's just defunct. they're slapping it on trial characters like Chevreuse and it has no effect.
I have usable but not great geo set items except the flower Im still rocking a purple one on my navia game refuses to give me one that isn't def% flat def em and flat hp.
I love this set on my c6 Mika
Thank god my nobless set still viable
just seems like a worse ocean hued clam set
... am I wrong?
F this domain, it literally another maiden/VV domain giving u healer set 24/7
I think that 10s is duration for buff not cooldown
What about nuivilette furina and baizu with the set
if dori can use sodp. then i have question.
which is better, c0 dori sodp vs c0 sara?
because not everyone have c6 sara and willing use it before c6's...
in this question assumption using dori sodp on raiden hypercarry alternative :v
Just... why? Dori does crap damage. Raiden already provides a ton of energy. And since Raiden scales with atk, Noblesse will likely get you more benefit. Beyond that, there is dendro, for aggravate, hydro for some electro charged, and damage dealing electros like Beidou and Fischl. And many of those, as well as anemo, have healer options as well.
@@Axterix13
1st. NOT using dori as dps, BUT as SUPPORT by using SODP, because dont have C6 sara. does everyone recomend c0 sara? No! C6 sara? YES!.
2nd. already have bennett nobless. if set can stack by multiple characters i dont bother ask on first place :v
3. Raiden Aggavate? NO. no one recomend it even Yae Miko does it better than Raiden on aggravatr team. can work but it below other 5* electro even keqing does it better.
how about chevreuse please ?
can u make yoimiya plunging?
It's created for chevreuse
thx
I think a good test would be slotting the party with 1 or 2 subdps units, does each character get 5 bonified attacks or are the 5 attacks shared by the team?
Either A or B, if I can go stacking as my team uses those bonified attacks, wouldnt C2 Baizhu kinda slap with that set?
Per the set's description, few problems with that:
1. The buff only affects your active character. So any sub-DPSs don't benefit from it.
2. It's a DMG% buff, which means it's fully dynamic (think Furina's fanfare). So it's applied at the moment the attack hits and can't be snapshotted (again, sub/off-field DPSs get shafted).
3. The description states "effect is removed after it has taken effect 5 times or 10 seconds pass". So the instances are counted globally by the set itself rather than for each character, and worse, it has Shenhe's quills' (or Yun Jin's burst) issue, where in an AOE scenario, it can be spent very quickly.
In theory, you could have "100% uptime" on this set's effect if you have a healer who can reliably hit 15k every 6 seconds, but most DPSs don't make full use of the buff in single-target (I can only think of Gaming and maybe Wriothesley) and in AOE it's only active every 6 seconds for 1 or 2 attacks.
It'd be fairly good in co-op healbot Furina, since with 4 people on-field at all times and 100% uptime on her skill, she could reliably reach the healing threshold. But even then it feels like she'd be better off using a different set.
The only scenario I can see this being useful in is a team like the one showcased at the end, where one of your characters can't use anything else because it's already covered by other units, so even if it doesn't do much, it at least does *something* compared to whatever the alternative is (end even then, I feel like using emblem or clam on Dori would be better).
This set is designed for multiple healers on the team to wear the set. Put it on 3 healers and the damage triples for your main..
doesn't the set say it can't stack?
also who brings 3 healers? Not only that, 3 that can actually use the set. uh baizhu, jean and dori for a neuvillette team? cool but how does bringing kazuha instead of jean compare?
"Only one decent artifact," as you show a 9-line artifact. I want to see those other artifacts. I suspect they aren't that bad hahah
this could work with freeze neuvilette
Songs of the days past might be a future artifact set for Sigewinne
its for Xianyun (CR)
WHERE DO PEOPLE GET SO MUCH RESIN
4240 Resin is roughly around 70.66 Fragile Resins, assuming they didn't save any Condensed Resin and walk in with max Resin (if they did, that would account for about 360 Resin).
And to answer you, some people just don't use their Fragile Resin at all. Ends up adding up after a while.
@@Starphoenix And these people probably go Full BP as well, which gives 5 fragile resins if I remember correctly.
I'll slap it on Xianyun since bennet is never coming off nobless
So its team buff?
Farming For Navia
Got the full new set with perfect stats on each piece
Not even a passible one for Navia's set
WELCOME TO GENSHIN
I was lucky enough to get one atk sand with crit rate and damage before even pulling for navia. Since then, never saw a single sand from the navia set ever again. Not even with other main stats. And only 4 flowers (3 of which are completely unusable). Been grinding the domain since update dropped.
In comparison: after 2 weeks of farming the golden troupe domain, I already had cracked full sets for neuvillette, furina and fischl with almost perfect stats.
This domain is rigged for sure. Getting huge EOSF domain vibes (2 years since I got yoimiya and I still have to see a single atk shimenawa sand with both crit rate and damage on it).
Ps. My songs pieces are 10 times more than the navia ones, but also completely and utterly trash. Talking about flat atk, def and hp substats kinda trash.
I hate when genshin does this (another domain that does this is the deepwood one. 90% pieces are gilded, and the chances of getting any decent substats is like 1%). This is exactly why alhaitham, yoimiya and navia (3 of my most favorite characters) have the copiumest builds ever.
Also, shoutout to the wonderful husk domain. 6000 clam pieces and still not enough to gear decently one single healer.
@@xanderx3788 Yeah. Just 2 Piece Petra and 2 piece Golden Navia. That domain is cursed
Soooo if you play your cards right, you can perpetually have 5 boosted hits every 6 seconds with this set...Interesting!
Goodjob
tip: change your gorou to exile set. it's just better than some copium 20% atk buff for itto and noelle.
C4 Gorou, can he heal enough for this set?
@@losergamer04
a quick estimate has gorou only hitting around 6000 healing in the 6s period even with a healing bonus circlet, at that point you might as well use the prototype amber since its healing is party wide meaning a party with an averaged hp of 30k would hit cap in 2 ticks *(an r5 amber heals the entire party for 6% of max hp and said healing should be boosted by a healing circlet+the arti-sets 2pc effect, so if you're parties average hp is on the higher side due to having chars like furina, yelan, Zhongli or Neauvilette you should hit the cap easily every time the amber holder bursts.)
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