Thanks Lee. I got the same noise about 3 years ago and thought I'd see how long I can drive it before other issues like oil consumption become noticeable. So far, I've driven around 28k miles and have just completed a 6000 miles Europe trip in June. All systems normal (touch wood) including oil consumption. So needless to say that following this very keenly. Thanks again for a detailed update.
Thanks Rehan, yes Hartech did say that some of these engines do just make that noise, doesn't always mean there is something wrong so I wouldn't worry too much.
Thanks for the info, I had heard this was done for GDPR as you'd have all previous owners names and addresses so this made some sense to me, however I can't remember where I heard it now so can't confirm either way. I suppose another explaination might be that the previous owner put the car through auction knowing about the engine issue and didn't want to be traced by a new owner. I guess I'll never know.
@@leeevernden sadly not Lee, I’ve seen it blacked out, but it’s the dealer or vendor’s responsibility. So whilst it’s semantics it’s not the auction house shredding history. I have worked in the car auction industry for 15 years now.
Great stuff Lee. I've been keenly watching this series as I'm potentially going to go the same route with my own 996.1. Although as I'm in Australia, I'll need to ship the engine over to Hartech, which I'm not super keen on doing, but there aren't any other options to do it here and LN Engineering/Flat 6 Innovations in the U.S. are completely booked out with lead-times running up to 18 months. Please keep the videos coming!
If you can get it done you will not regret it. I am lucky to be in the US where Flat 6 innovations is. I waited 18 months from signing the quote to getting my car back however it was well worth it. Car is transformed and it is good to know I shouldn't have to worry about anything for a long time
@@leeevernden they actually stop sales for 6 months + at a time as they can't keep up with all the work! They have changed the program now so it's a lot faster
@@leeevernden well they do this intentionally. They don't want to get big. They feel the moment they get big the company as it was intended is over. They are extremely personal with their jobs and put a lot into them. It's completely different from Hartech with what they do. It's a lot to explain on here but it was a great experience. The car is only with them for 3 months. The wait time is all before you ship the car. Once it goes there it moves through the stages with photos sent along the way. I don't know a lot about hartech but they sound like a great company too just a different type of business model. But for various reasons they have changed the business to now have long blocks assembled and ready to sell. They then take core exchange for your motor when you get one. Much quicker install. The owner of flat 6 won't sell you a motor If you don't match the kind of customers he wants to work with.
Thanks Michael, yeah I thought the Hartech website doesn't give much info and they don't seem to be great at social media or anything so info on these conversions is a bit thin on the ground. This one will be a 'worts and all' account but so far Hartech are more than living up to their great reputation.
@@leeevernden yeah exactly I’ve got 997.1 C2S that I want to do a 4.1 conversion on so this info is invaluable. Jake Raby at Flat 6 innovations is another good source of info if you haven’t seen him? Unlike Hartech he’s a bit of a tuner as well. Also massive JayEmm fan so super interested! Shame it all takes so long :(
@@mikemagoomcgrady Nice, a 4.1 C2S would be rapid. I watch Jake Raby as well, he is very kind about the '99 996 C2 and one of the main reasons I got one of those in particular. And yeah JayEmm is really good at what he does, it'll be well into 2023 I suspect when this car will appear on his channel.
Thanks for the breakdown. Exciting to be able to break down what they found inside the engine. I know Hartech knows their stuff so you are wise to do all their strong reccomendations. Should be a great car when you get it back!
Hi Lee the guys have my 997 3.8 engine just now after I trusted a local engine company and they put in two steel liners and fitted number 5 piston up side down with no retaining clip and cracked cylinder number 6 when 're lining it and it sounded like a cement mixer all the best from paisley
Holy crap that's appalling! I think I've seen pictures of that on the Porsche engine gurus Facebook group. Glad it's in the right hands now, good luck with it.
Hi Lee, i picked my 997 3.9 from Hartech last Friday ,i am blown away with the difference in the car, i mentioned i followed you on you tube and enquired if you had had your car back and it was at the remap place so you should have it back next week hopefully
Excellent, good to hear your 997 turned out ok! And yes mine is on week 2 at the tuners so not long to go now, I've been staring at the phone awaiting the call.
I have made the Hartech 3.7 M96; I did not say anything about taking advantage of rebuild to address IMS? I ended up doing the Hartech bespoke intermediate shaft to housse the 997.1 bigger IMS in the case with removing seal. Was costly but pretty robust solution. Have you watched the Rennvision video with Lee and Jake discussing their experience and approach. Keep us posted?
Yes I should have mentioned, everything I went through in this video is on top of the full rebuild and conversion from Hartech which includes relined cylinder block, closed deck, new pistons etc and the larger IMS shaft and bearing from the later Porsches.
Was wondering where you were upto. Smart move on the add ons. I also declined the £600 blast, thought it was better allocated elsewhere. My first drive out was 48hour blast around wales, give it plenty of beans was Tobias’s words 😀
Yeah I called them back since and have added 200cell cats to the lists as well, may as well get those on before the tune. And yeah I was surprised to hear that you must push the new engine for that 2000-3000 mile break in period, but I'm happy to oblige.
@@leeevernden standard manifolds? I found ss manifilds, dansk super sound boxes and 200 cats too much for my liking. Kept this one standard manifold, less drone on long runs but still plenty shouty enough on the loud pedal
@@marshallsonmotorsltd2101 the manifolds had been replaced just before I bought it. They are stainless tubular ones, I don’t think they are anything special though. One positive was the backboxes were replaced with Porsche ones in 2014 so they are still in really good condition, I’ll keep those and I won’t be doing the resonator delete so I’m relying on the CATs to unleash a tiny bit more sound, and that should do me. I’ve driven a .2 with sports backboxes and resonator delete and the NVH was too much. Also doing the numeric shifter and cables, so I will add some sound deadening during that install to cancel out the added NVH from those cables.
@@marshallsonmotorsltd2101 Had to look that up, that looks super short but good fun. I just wanted the rifle bolt action so went with Numeric, ordered direct from USA and even with the £ being so weak it was still £200 cheaper than ordering from Design911.
Hi Phil, Yes nearly there now, the car is all back together and is having the custom tune done now(left Hartech last week). After that it will go back to Hartech for final checks before I get it back. Could even be complete at some point this week if I'm really lucky. In any case the next video should come next month, and will cover the dyno results, collection/drive back of 200miles and first impressions. I'll also have the invoice so will go through that in a separate video line by line.
One of mine was dead when I bought the car so I ordered 2 from RS components, so I do have one to throw on. It's a good solution I think, the RS one is just better as well.
Thanks Lee, really helpful. Hope it goes well at Hartech. Id want the noise sorting for the price. If you plan to keep the car, good idea to do all the recommendations.
Really interesting playlist. Loads of great info. Having seen the list of replacement parts, Triggers Broom springs to mind... lol
Thanks, it is a bit like triggers broom now yes, I went a bit crazy with the 'while you're in there' stuff. Car feels great though 🙂
Thanks Lee. I got the same noise about 3 years ago and thought I'd see how long I can drive it before other issues like oil consumption become noticeable. So far, I've driven around 28k miles and have just completed a 6000 miles Europe trip in June. All systems normal (touch wood) including oil consumption. So needless to say that following this very keenly. Thanks again for a detailed update.
Thanks Rehan, yes Hartech did say that some of these engines do just make that noise, doesn't always mean there is something wrong so I wouldn't worry too much.
Hi lee
Thx for this video very interesting . ! Stefan
Thanks Stefan!
Hi Lee my car has been with Hartech since 9th August and i should be picking it up next week
Awesome, you must be just ahead of me then, I'm still waiting to hear about my car. What did you have done?
Another very good & thorough update Lee. Following with interest 👍
Cheers Toby 👍
Just for info, auction companies do not shred or dispose of service history invoices. What is given on entry is handed out to the buyer.
Thanks for the info, I had heard this was done for GDPR as you'd have all previous owners names and addresses so this made some sense to me, however I can't remember where I heard it now so can't confirm either way. I suppose another explaination might be that the previous owner put the car through auction knowing about the engine issue and didn't want to be traced by a new owner. I guess I'll never know.
@@leeevernden sadly not Lee, I’ve seen it blacked out, but it’s the dealer or vendor’s responsibility. So whilst it’s semantics it’s not the auction house shredding history. I have worked in the car auction industry for 15 years now.
@@russhopkins724 ok thanks again for the info.
Great stuff Lee. I've been keenly watching this series as I'm potentially going to go the same route with my own 996.1. Although as I'm in Australia, I'll need to ship the engine over to Hartech, which I'm not super keen on doing, but there aren't any other options to do it here and LN Engineering/Flat 6 Innovations in the U.S. are completely booked out with lead-times running up to 18 months. Please keep the videos coming!
If you can get it done you will not regret it. I am lucky to be in the US where Flat 6 innovations is. I waited 18 months from signing the quote to getting my car back however it was well worth it. Car is transformed and it is good to know I shouldn't have to worry about anything for a long time
Wow that explains why Hartech do a lot of engines for US customers too with lead times for FSI lead times that high!
@@leeevernden they actually stop sales for 6 months + at a time as they can't keep up with all the work! They have changed the program now so it's a lot faster
@@RicknWRX Haha that's crazy. They need to franchise that or something.
@@leeevernden well they do this intentionally. They don't want to get big. They feel the moment they get big the company as it was intended is over. They are extremely personal with their jobs and put a lot into them. It's completely different from Hartech with what they do. It's a lot to explain on here but it was a great experience. The car is only with them for 3 months. The wait time is all before you ship the car. Once it goes there it moves through the stages with photos sent along the way. I don't know a lot about hartech but they sound like a great company too just a different type of business model. But for various reasons they have changed the business to now have long blocks assembled and ready to sell. They then take core exchange for your motor when you get one. Much quicker install. The owner of flat 6 won't sell you a motor If you don't match the kind of customers he wants to work with.
Great to see someone doing a video on this subject.
Thanks Michael, yeah I thought the Hartech website doesn't give much info and they don't seem to be great at social media or anything so info on these conversions is a bit thin on the ground. This one will be a 'worts and all' account but so far Hartech are more than living up to their great reputation.
@@leeevernden yeah exactly I’ve got 997.1 C2S that I want to do a 4.1 conversion on so this info is invaluable.
Jake Raby at Flat 6 innovations is another good source of info if you haven’t seen him? Unlike Hartech he’s a bit of a tuner as well.
Also massive JayEmm fan so super interested!
Shame it all takes so long :(
@@mikemagoomcgrady Nice, a 4.1 C2S would be rapid. I watch Jake Raby as well, he is very kind about the '99 996 C2 and one of the main reasons I got one of those in particular. And yeah JayEmm is really good at what he does, it'll be well into 2023 I suspect when this car will appear on his channel.
Thanks for the breakdown. Exciting to be able to break down what they found inside the engine. I know Hartech knows their stuff so you are wise to do all their strong reccomendations. Should be a great car when you get it back!
Thanks Rick, I can't wait to get it back!
Hi Lee the guys have my 997 3.8 engine just now after I trusted a local engine company and they put in two steel liners and fitted number 5 piston up side down with no retaining clip and cracked cylinder number 6 when 're lining it and it sounded like a cement mixer all the best from paisley
Holy crap that's appalling! I think I've seen pictures of that on the Porsche engine gurus Facebook group. Glad it's in the right hands now, good luck with it.
Hi Lee, i picked my 997 3.9 from Hartech last Friday ,i am blown away with the difference in the car, i mentioned i followed you on you tube and enquired if you had had your car back and it was at the remap place so you should have it back next week hopefully
Excellent, good to hear your 997 turned out ok! And yes mine is on week 2 at the tuners so not long to go now, I've been staring at the phone awaiting the call.
Great video, keep the updates coming!
Cheers, will do 👍
Fantastic series and great insight. Much appreciated!
cheers for the support John 👍
I have made the Hartech 3.7 M96; I did not say anything about taking advantage of rebuild to address IMS? I ended up doing the Hartech bespoke intermediate shaft to housse the 997.1 bigger IMS in the case with removing seal. Was costly but pretty robust solution. Have you watched the Rennvision video with Lee and Jake discussing their experience and approach. Keep us posted?
Yes I should have mentioned, everything I went through in this video is on top of the full rebuild and conversion from Hartech which includes relined cylinder block, closed deck, new pistons etc and the larger IMS shaft and bearing from the later Porsches.
I'll be watching out for the Porsche engine gurus pictures on FB of your engine passing through.
Same!
Was wondering where you were upto. Smart move on the add ons. I also declined the £600 blast, thought it was better allocated elsewhere. My first drive out was 48hour blast around wales, give it plenty of beans was Tobias’s words 😀
Yeah I called them back since and have added 200cell cats to the lists as well, may as well get those on before the tune. And yeah I was surprised to hear that you must push the new engine for that 2000-3000 mile break in period, but I'm happy to oblige.
@@leeevernden standard manifolds? I found ss manifilds, dansk super sound boxes and 200 cats too much for my liking. Kept this one standard manifold, less drone on long runs but still plenty shouty enough on the loud pedal
@@marshallsonmotorsltd2101 the manifolds had been replaced just before I bought it. They are stainless tubular ones, I don’t think they are anything special though. One positive was the backboxes were replaced with Porsche ones in 2014 so they are still in really good condition, I’ll keep those and I won’t be doing the resonator delete so I’m relying on the CATs to unleash a tiny bit more sound, and that should do me. I’ve driven a .2 with sports backboxes and resonator delete and the NVH was too much. Also doing the numeric shifter and cables, so I will add some sound deadening during that install to cancel out the added NVH from those cables.
@@leeevernden I fancied a CAE shifter but can’t justify the £1400 cost
@@marshallsonmotorsltd2101 Had to look that up, that looks super short but good fun. I just wanted the rifle bolt action so went with Numeric, ordered direct from USA and even with the £ being so weak it was still £200 cheaper than ordering from Design911.
Any news on how things are going, next video etc?
Hi Phil, Yes nearly there now, the car is all back together and is having the custom tune done now(left Hartech last week). After that it will go back to Hartech for final checks before I get it back. Could even be complete at some point this week if I'm really lucky. In any case the next video should come next month, and will cover the dyno results, collection/drive back of 200miles and first impressions. I'll also have the invoice so will go through that in a separate video line by line.
Interesting vid, all those little bits will add up though 🤷🏼♂️ but at least it should all be good for 10’s of thousands of miles
They certainly do add up, it's like doing a project car all in one go. Painful but I'll get over it in time.
Sounds like my engine… it was a lifter. One.
Glad you found the issue, how did you find out that's what it was?
@@leeevernden A Porsche dealer I knew found the issue. My father was his first customer in 1968.
Both my fan resistors had failed. Got same spec as Porsche ones from RS components and fitted myself. Cost £25 max. Porsche resistors are £200 each 😮
One of mine was dead when I bought the car so I ordered 2 from RS components, so I do have one to throw on. It's a good solution I think, the RS one is just better as well.
Hartech are double the price of anywhere else. £250 per side for MUFFLER BRACKETS.
Thanks Lee, really helpful. Hope it goes well at Hartech. Id want the noise sorting for the price.
If you plan to keep the car, good idea to do all the recommendations.
Yes Hartech have said if the noise is still there after, there may be some things they can tweak, but I'm hoping it was the small end bearings.